Russian Vs. Western-Made Tanks In The Ukraine War | Balance Of Power | Insider
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 10 июн 2024
- Tanks are the apex predator on Ukraine's battlefields, with modern Western tanks facing off against Soviet-designed relics. But which country has the power?
MORE BALANCE OF POWER VIDEOS:
USA vs China Fighter Jets | Balance Of Power | Insider
• USA vs China Fighter J...
US Forces vs Houthi Militia In The Red Sea | Balance Of Power | Insider
• US Forces vs Houthi Mi...
USA vs China Aircraft Carriers | Balance Of Power | Insider
• USA vs China Aircraft ...
0:00 - Intro
0:25 - Tanks: M1 Abrams And Russian T-90
4:16 - "Jack-In-The-Box Effect"
5:21 - The Soviet Doctrine And Human Wave Attacks
7:37 - Anti-Tank Missiles And Cope Cages
11:27 - Costs: $5 Million Battle Tanks
13:09 - Future
14:14 - Balance Of Power
15:08 - Credits
------------------------------------------------------
#ukrainewar #balanceofpower #insider
Insider's mission is to inform and inspire.
Visit our homepage for the top stories of the day: www.businessinsider.com/
Insider on Facebook: / insider
Insider on Instagram: / insider
Insider on Twitter: / thisisinsider
Insider on Snapchat: / 2708030621
Insider on TikTok: / insider
Russian Vs. Western-Made Tanks In The Ukraine War | Balance Of Power | Insider
Former Leopard tank crew here, this guy spits bs about tanks , bye bye
you sounds more like a former T-72 crew here 😀
Yea this is honestly just sad. Too many counter points to even bother typing them.
@@nicoedel5606 Why does being against the points he mentioned in the video make me an enemy to you? It's funny to see that anyone going against the official narrative is immediately considered as fake or an opponent
@@nicoedel5606 just using emoji tells you are here trollingf
@@makarovj6871 He's a bot. I wouldn't waste your time on him. He and his masters think having a sock down your pants makes you well-endowed.
It does not.
Says T90 in the title, shows a picture of a T80. Nice
You think this propaganda channels care about accuracy?
its a t90a which is from 2004
What do you expect of a propaganda kanal from USA.
@@STRYKER1467 This is what they spend their tax's on no wonder the people there are angry with this BS
T80 is better than a T90 anyways.
"The tank is the apex predator of ground warfare"
Some random cheap FPV drone: "nuh-uh!"
The tank is the grizzily bear. The FPV is a mosquito carrying a deadly disease.
Apparently, being a 'navy veteran' does not make you a military analyst and strategist. Who would have thought.
Appealing to credentials is pathetic, navy veteran or not you don't need credentials to be right or possess information, especially in this day and age of where information is so widely accessible.
@@Ripa-Moramee Is the information so widely available? And how often do you listen and watch Russian media, Italian, Chinese, German, Ukrainian and other sources of information that are not in English for the sake of objective perception?
I like the part where you couldn't point out any data-point he was wrong about.
Not many tracked vehicles in the navy I think.
@@jjhpor you'd be surprised.
Anyone else come to read the comments.
😅👍
Ha.. Ha..
~Eddie the Ostrich
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂👍
Ukranians will never forgive Russia after this war. They willl be blood enemies
The real warfare is in the comment section lmao.
Seems one-sided for me
@@fertfert4661 One-sided, like the recent situation on the frontline.
@@aleksandarrudic3694 on the Fortnite.
Facts lol
there is no war because every comment says the same thing that this guy is just another blind believer of fake news from west
The apex predators of this war are ingenuity and adaptability.
The Apex Predator now is the drone...changes wars from now on.
THE APEX PREDETOR IS PRESEDENT DONALD J TRUMP SUN OF GOD AND DICTATOR ROYAL OF AMERICA GOD BLESS U PRESEDENT TRUMP🇺🇲❤️🇺🇲❤️🇺🇲❤️🇺🇲❤️🇺🇲❤️
drones and missiles are the most important
Ukraine has turned a lot of tank commanders into cosmonauts.
"I am a navy veteran so let me lecture you on attritional warfare on the ground..."
Ikr? I'm a downhill skier. Let me tell you about helicopters
He knows better than you tbh
@@reviewchan9806 i do not give lame commentary to media however
You are irrelevant
Well.... what would it look like if it was someone from the USMC? hahaha
No offense to the SME, but he has not indicated what experience or knowledge qualifies him to speak on this topic. Maybe he is an intelligence analyst in the navy, but as it is I have no reason to accept his supposed expertise over that of others.
Navy vet. Guess he's qualified to compare tanks, I mean I bet he's seen them before at distance.
I'm a navy vet also but damned near choked when he often referred to Russia as Soviet. I too share your sentiment of what does he know about tanks? It would be comparable to an army vet pretending to be an expert on naval ships of the line.
Very lame analysis.
Exactly what I said the moment he said he's Navy.
He's just reading common knowledge about the war
@@kenkruger481 Whats the difference between soviet and russian? Same tanks, same strategy, only different regime
Thats right hes just doing propaganda obviously
"The tank is the apex predator of ground warfare."
Artillery: *Listen here you little shi-*
This is a very very bad summary of the actual tank situation, it actually is not one at all. When he mentioned that Russia is using T50 without explainting that they are not used as battletanks at all, i knew the rest will be nonsens. I skipped it at the five minute mark. Waste of time.
Wow this guy is an expert? Tanks are not the apex predator of this war. Drones, artillery and missiles are.
He is an expert. Propagandist expert that is.
He said they are the apex predators of the battlefield…
Yes its a hyperbole but also not completely wrong…
@@s1nn1ck Agree, so much editing and cuts in the video.
Not drones. Drones, as everyone understands them, are a nuisance. The 'apex predator' is the Lancet. Everything the Switchblade/Excalibur/Javelin/GLSDB/etc failed to be and more. Its accurate, its long range, its deadly, its easy and its cheap. They just started fielding the improved generation and a new even more capable variant is due for deployment mid to late summer.
I think he also got around that it sort of was the apex predator, but that drones etc has taken that power away from them.
Abrasm designed 1975 - "very modern", T-80 designed 1975 - obsolete 😂 This guy is either intentionally playing dumb or just very shetty "expert"..
I bet he knows how to spell Abrams properly so he must be smarter than you
@@kingjames1308 it was a misclick you silly bastard
@@kingjames1308 I love how you attack his spelling, but not his point. It shows that you have nothing to argue against him, so you resort to slander :)
@@nielsdejong not arguing anything Ivan, just pointing out calling someone dumb while misspelling the main point of your argument is is a bad look.
@@nielsdejong The comment is too stupid to even waste time arguing. The narrator never said T-80 was obsolete, he said T-54 and T-55. You should go to an otolaryngologist before pretending to be smart ;)
Apex predator? No, drones are now the apex predator
This isn't about the tanks. It is about having tank crews who know what they are doing.
The thing is, FPV operators also know what to do on both sides.
You can train a tank crew for 10 years, but they will be destroyed by a guy trained to fly a drone in 10 days. Think about it.
@swe1733 the problem is a tank shouldn't be alone like they are doing in Ukraine. A tank is only with it's infantry and reversed.
“ would not find me in a Russian made tank” I don’t think we would find you in any combat scenario bud
Russian tanks are not poor quality its how the crew use the machine that matters
Because the Abraham has a good track record against drones too?? I haven’t seen one video to back this up
@@paulroustan3643 the abrahams what tank is that is that abrams tanks wit a abraham lincoln beard
@@smeagol7247 a machine gun should shoot and not fascinate with its beauty
Tous les tankistes russes seront un jour des cosmonautes pendant quelques secondes 🤣🤣🤣
Tanks will disappear at the hands of drones. And when artificial intelligence comes to drones, traditional rear artillery will also disappear.
Traditional rear artillery never disappear, its really cheap, cost-effective and very synergetic with drones. Its just human crew will be cut out of equation, same AI will control swarm of observer drones that spot enemies for swarm of bomb drones and automated artillery pieces.
Russia now test ground drones, small light tanks without crew that use machinegun, mine-sweeping equipment and can deliver supply for frontline squads. This is what will replace ordinary tanks eventually,
You would guess that the same AI will be controling anti drone measures/defenses on future tanks.... tanks are not going away, will just be reworked.
@@NruBseyE What you say will happen at first, manufacturers will resist to stop producing these expensive dinosaurs. But facts will prove that a large, expensive, heavy, slow, complex and for the worse, manned device cannot compete against small, two or three orders of magnitude cheaper, faster, relatively simpler and disposable weapons. A tank on the battlefield is something like a full wallet lying on the street, something that invites to be stolen. And what the enemy steals from the tank is all the money it cost... in exchange for a small sum.
Do not confuse lethality with invulnerability.
Apex predator falls apart when a Lancet drone appears.
"a tank is an apex predator of a battlefield" i dont want to hear a single word more
Bro you cant even quote a sentence you heard seconds ago. Take an IQ test and cut your internet cable
and what is a drone?
@@damien7157 apex predator gets hunted by a bee
@@damien7157 a fpv drone team is part of a ground force just like any other AT teams
@@damien7157 Yea drones are CAS at best for what hes trying to get across. Think its a miscommunication between actual being on the ground and having ground targeting capability. If that was the case the f-35 or raptor is APEX
Are you the same guy who said Russians were fighting with shovels and wash machine micro chips?
Russia has been salvaging chips out of washing machines and anything else I can get them out of because they can't get them because of sanctions.
@@badmonkey2222
You forgot the shovels.
Russia had been digging In shernoble killing multiple enemy's of the Russian state (Russian, Russians are the enemy of the state, shhh.)
@@badmonkey2222
If this is irony: 😅
If you're serious: 🤡
@@h2didenkovthere are also the air coolers 😂 the best russian secret weapon
A buddy of mine was a M1A1 tanker. He called them coffins.
Called them coffins while killing camel riders. Must have been scary down there.
@@kaspervestergaard2383 so little you know. The PG-7VL and PG-7VR fired from a camel rider can and has taken out the Abrams. I'll trust what the actual tankers have to say over your BS anyday.
How many Abrams tank crews were kia before the war in Ukraine?
@@MenacingWithVideos i have no idea but i do know that any conflict the US has been involved in prior to Ukraine had total air and artillery superiority. I just ran across a vidoe with the Ukrainians talking about the Abrams with its problems in the conflict. They spoke of lack of armor, humidity knocking out electronics, the weight and how prone they are to drones being huge downfalls along with not having the correct ammunition when needed. To many AP rnds and not enough HE. He said they've fired 20 rnds into a building trying to knock it down. He also said that in this conflict the abrams primary use is as artillery not tank to tank. If i can find the video I'll share it. Any time an Abrams shows up thry are tracked down and eliminated or disabled. Then there's the huge amount of fuel to operate and the maintenance issues. As fsr as i know they pulled the Leopards off the front also for the most part. He said the Abrams and Leopards are hunted like trophy animals.
@@mikemckinnis3877 yeah but for Russians it's even worse
An Abrams being destroyed is a rarer event than a t-90 being destroyed
Thousands of losses but Ukraine is the one having manpower problems?? 😅
Yeah this legend of Russia burning many tanks and thousand of men for a few meter ground ... we have videos of the battlefields now and there is not a single video ever that backs this claim.
Send Denys Davydov back, the traitor
I don't know where this people get their info, they make it look like if Russia were fighting this war like the Soviet Union did in WWII where they had more manpower than equipment, true is Russia must be the most powerful army at present day, troops and weapons, trained and built to fight a real war, and not the usual guerillas NATO have been fighting the last 40 years.
@@TotalyRandomUsername Weird... because i have seen countless videos by now of Russian tanks that were abandoned after getting hit by drones or mines?
@@m_lies Sure and you can see the same videos about Ukraine tanks. It is called propaganda. The only sources you can trust are neutral OSI channels like defence politics asia. Acording to them Russia is fighting for one and a halve year an extremly conservative war.
Cheap propaganda 😂😂
Yeah its basically just an ad for tank manufacturers even though the ukranians are just popping them all the time.
To be honest US air power is so ridiculously overpowered it doesn’t matter if the M1 is obsolete since air superiority will just allow massive precision bombing of enemy forces well before the tanks arrive to enter the battle. I do have a lot of respect for the Russian military but they have been underfunded for decades and are a sad shell of the Soviet military. But it might not even matter if the US just ends up falling into a civil war as it seems to be heading
@@Alastair_Adanathe number 1 problem of ukraine is the Lack of airpower
@@jaegar2004 they had Airpower... it simply got sweapt away...
Abdalla! Abdalla! The cheapeast propaganda is still the Russian one. But life of Russians and theri african friends is cheap Abdallla.
This is like a 16 year old Airsoft enthusiasts talking about his experience in Afghanistan firefight with Taliban.
eh, as a war thunder player, he got points.
@@Paronak Did you also graduate from the tank university of world of tanks and reddit?
Compared to you, who's some random youtube idiot with no experience whatsoever
@@seb_1504 Dude, you don't need credentials to know how tanks work.
Newton's first law is understandable to everyone on this planet (except probably you) because it's common knowledge you can learn.
It's not rocket science, buddy.
@@DR-JOHN-DEJAVU-1984 as a war thunder player his points are irrelevant because war thunder its tanks v tanks not tanks v anti tank assets like drones atgms and mines.
The bane of tanks in this conflict...
Is not enemy tanks. It is mud, mines, drones....artillery. Every tank suffers in this scenario.
Whole lot of people here heard the first 10 seconds and tuned out. Classic zoomers with no attention span. The guy actually goes over the threats to tanks quite extensively
The thumbnail shows a t-80u and labels it as a t-90, that shows how much research they did
Even before i click on the video, i already know the answer 😂😂
Hahaha for real man😂
POKistan numbar 1 😂☝️
Turret space program
what is the answer?
@@lafosh7234 House N
little fpv drone > Battletank (apex predator of the battlefield)
Talks about T-14 Armata tank (near non-existent tank) but doesn't show T14 in video.
I love how they refer to T series tank as "soviet-era relics"; It's not like the Abrams and the Leopard 2 were from a different period lmao
Abrams and leopard 2 are more modern than T-72… did you even listen to the video?
@@bingobongo1615 No they aren't. These tanks are all from the 70's and 80's.
@@makarovj6871 a modern porsch 911 is the same as a porsch 911 from the 80's?
@@jim-kp5he Do 80's 911's have upgrade factories like Russian tanks???
@@bingobongo1615 latest T-72/80/90 are more modern than versions of Leopards and M1 that are sent to Ukraine
Artillery and mine and drone is actually making the game. There is actually never tank vs tank fight. This is no ww2.
that's not true.
Both are important, but their roles can vary depending on the context of the fight. Tanks are effective in direct contact with the enemy and in support of ground troops, while drones can provide strategic reconnaissance and air strikes. Their effectiveness depends on the type of combat and the environment.
There was a duel between a T72 and an M1, with the inferior Soviet-era tank knocking out the modern US tank.
This guy is expert on western media talking points...that have no base in reality😂
tell me the Russian points? explain why t55 and turtles are un use and explain the death rate after turret tosses.
леопарды и абрамсы горят как все другие танки а челенджеры спрятали чтобы не позориться?
@@edthebumblingfool if you need that explaining, you are not the one I should explain it to....
you need to learn some basics....
survival in Russian tank when its 100% destroyed is about 85%....and most turret tosses happen long after crew abandons tank....
now go learn basics and maybe watch some videos why turtle tank is so succesfull...I dont have time to teach kids
@@Lipi19821 So you are the guy doing statistics for the russian military? How about you get into one of those safe russian tanks and fight for your fuhrer.
@@edthebumblingfool Drones as tank crews, bro. Save on the vodka rations.
Losing a 1800 tanks is nothing considering the size of the battlefield and the duration of the war.
It's closer to 3 thousand and those are significant losses.
The Russian reserves aren't infinite and the quality of reserves will decline over time.
Western tanks are an extremely small minority of the tanks Ukraine uses. Most of their tanks are old Soviet T-64s.
Also ukrainian T-64. Built or upgraded to ukrainian standards.
But new and new military equipment continues to flow into Ukraine. The US announced another military package, Denmark and more...
@@Adam35779 They barely have anything to send.
And one of the american politicians arguments for giving the money was that 90% stays in USA.
Even if they had the stuff to give it wouldn't be enough.
@@svensvensson2724 That's enough, America has at least more weapons than Russia or can produce them faster and they have the best army and the best weapons on top of that and have a bigger, stronger, more dynamic and powerful economy. According to SIPRI (Stockholm International Peace Research Institute) estimates, the United States of America has more military weapons than Russia. The US has the largest military budget in the world and possesses a wide range of weapons, including nuclear, conventional and advanced technology.
@@Adam35779 Russia has the largest and most modern collecton of missiles in the world, including nukes.
They make 3 times more tanks than all of NATO and 10 times more artillery ammunition.
And if USA wants to move their military to Europe there's a whole big ocean full of submarines and nukes they need to cross without sinking.
The guy's just reshuffling bs many people with brain are already immune to 🤣
Thank you for the update, Insider..!! Amazing war machines..!!
A US."Navy" Veteran shows us a T-72 which is actually a T-80 hilarious... Veteran for what for having naval experience but not on land it seems.
This guy is literally here just to comment 'Wow, you don't know the exact classification of a tank you see? Were you even in the military?'
My guy you literally just answered your own question. Why would a NAVY veteran be extremely knowledgeable about ARMY vehicles? The fact you think a simple mistake like that is 'hilarious'...
If you are an expert, you should atleast know what tank you are talking about. T72 and T80 are very different tanks. Its not like confusing variants of the same tank.
@bellidrael7457 If someone claims hes an expert in the navy he should remain in his territory, in this case it is the naval warfare and hes far away from the ocean, its pure trashtalk and the biggest downer on this, is the fact that hes most likely a dedicated soldier but when they claim they have knowledge outside of their actual knowledge it is bullshit and i lost all respect for this man.
@@bellidrael7457 "exact classification of a tank" dimwit
@@STRYKER1467 To be fair, he's just a script reader and may not even have known what images would be shown in the video. Yes, in that context bothering to state his alleged qualifications (Navy!) is a bit of a howler.
So what are we watching here? A marine reading from a teleprompter?
He's an acting navy guy without any truth nor understanding today's Attritional warfare systems.
Not tanks, but drones, robots, missiles and artillery win battles to wars.
Russia has those for the next decade and more.
@@billcarpenter5271 Tanks are still very important in warfare, they take territory, especially heavily fortified territory. Drones, missiles, and artillery make it a problem getting them into said territory. And that problem extends to APCs, infantry, and anyone else trying to pass a field.
Just watched another video of Ukrainian soldiers saying M1 Abraham is essentially overhyped junk with many electrical issues
Ah yes, the 'Russian wave attacks' which we've heard so much about yet never seen.
Why did I bother listening...
Because it is free
a bunch of lies lies lies lies from another lying lying lying propaganda kanal. I want facts not propaganda crap, shite kanal bollocks.
Either Curiosity or Boredom 🤯
Gives you something to do while reading the comments! 😄
I enjoyed the video.
But Russian tanks are good for countries with cheap human life resources like Russia and Africa.
Africa is a continent and not a country for your inforamtion.
Did he just wake up from a coma, asleep since 1944. You can't BS anymore
Actually you can. The amount of BS is 100x more since the early 2020 😂
Please explain every single lie so we know?
Hey hello?
@@olexp9017 Yo, there a tsunami wave of BS coming, look out.
Drones are now the apex predators 😎
M1 abram is the old class from 90s send to Ukraine.......
"Western-made tanks"
You didn't watch the video.
@@waisinglee1509 hate to disappoint ya, but I did
"Smallest numbers"? There are more M1 Abrams tanks in the world than there are T-90s, Challengers, and Leopards combined. Don't compare the M1 to an obsolete piece of trash like the T-72
I think the Challenger was the tank sent in the least numbers
@@Nero-Caesar Ukraine aren't allowed to use the challenger at the front.
It's just for UK to brag they sent tanks.
"Tanks aren't safe"
Wars aren't safe - would you rather be in a tank or in a trench?
Probably in a trench
Neither. They both suck.
@@lostplanet1931 But why?
I've got a 120 mm canon which carries me, up to 1000 mm of effective armour, a warm place to sleep and if I die, it will be instantly in an explosion.
You've got a 5.56 mm rifle which you carry, trench foot, dysentery and if you die, it will be slowly and in agony.
@lostplanet1931 I agree free to move anywhere
@@oliverrugg3732 when a tiny cheap drone hits a big slow tank where do the surviving soldiers go? To a trench. Not the other way around. I get your point but in todays war your very screwed with mines, anti tank personnel, drones and so on.
Both are almost evenly matched, it comes down to who can take who out first.
Because at point blank range neither tank Win's.
1800 tanks loss, human-wave attack..yeah yeah..boring progapanda
Insider: "The tank is apex predator of ground warfare".
Some random conscript with a week of training using a cheap portable anti-tank system: "and i took that personally".
Exactly, it's like we are forgetting that these Ukrainian soldiers mostly exist of people learning everything in just merely weeks instead of years like a normal soldier would. Ofcourse they are going to die more!
Human wave attacks? Do you have a single video of that? Surely you would find at least 1 in 2024
Russia is performing this meat waves all the time...small numbers and propably with Z-Storm soldiers (the tens of thousand, if not already over 100k prisoners which went from prisons to the army, and other "unimportant" subjects.)
@@KilonBerlinjust bs... you know what a human wave atack mean rightn
@@KilonBerlin yet there is no video evidence of that. Please find one example
i have seen Ukrainian human wave running away from a fight while being shells by the Russian
@@KilonBerlin bro i saw a video of litterly giving prisoners and civilians weapons in the first year of the war.. but it was ukrain doing it on the streets.. ofc russians do that too, but its pretty hypocritical to blame them for this if the ukrain does the same.
Do you have a footage of "human wave attack"?
Yeah he have, from Call of Duty and Company of Heroes 2
Take a look: Humans, waves, put the two together.
Tanks are the most important part of suppressor suppot for himars and protecting strike missions designed to cover howitzers
This is just PR damage control for M1 Abrams. It blow up all the same with T72 and T55 when hit by shells, AT missiles or drones.
Tell this to saddam hussain!(Wait.. you can't😂😂😂😂😂😂😂!!!!!!) Over 4000 of them were destroyed in a week(1991)
@@jaegar2004 most by Apache not by Abrams
@@tommytomas-fr3sh……..?
ya one abrams got out by t72b3 direct hit
@@jaegar2004 comparing Iraq to Rusiia is just stupid ............
Почитал англоязычные комментарии. Могу сказать следующее:
1. При сравнении Абрамса и танков серии Т никто не учитывает стоимость. А правда ли, что 2 танка Абрамс лучше, чем 4-5 танков Т-90?
2. Говорят, что мы не можем модернизировать танки. Нет электронных компонентов, чипов и так далее. Во много это правда. Например мы только начинаем выпуск тепловизоров. И они хуже, чем зарубежные. Но знаете, это еще не значит, что у нас нет зарубежных. Кока-Кола у нас вроде тоже не продается 😂 Как и некоторые автомобили. Например мерседес. В конце концов наши ракеты по-прежнему производятся. И если в них действительно чипы из украинских стиральных машин, значит и в танках будут они же.
3. Не принимается во внимание, что западные танки намного тяжелее. Что имеет значение на украинских черноземах. Потому что не важно, как хороша ваша броня и пушка, ваша двигательная устанвка и трансмиссия, если вы сидите в грязи по самую башню, а для ПТРК или дрона вы попрежнему уязвимы.
4. Современные противотанковые средства прекрасно уничтожают любые танки. Сами же танки в современном мире не предназначены для борьбы против танков, хотя и могут это делать. Их главное назначение поддержка и прорыв. А для борьбы с ними хороши дроны, мины и ПТУР. В том числе размещенные на вертолетах, находящихся на небольшой высоте, для меньшей заметномти ПВО, но на удалении от боя около 7 километров.
Поэтому сравнивать танки друг с другом можно, но не нужно. Потому что это глупо. Способны западные танки выполнять задачи прорыва и поддержки? Да. А русскиие? Тоже. А вот насколько хорошо те и другие могут это делать зависит от многих факторов. От грунта. Проходимости местности. Качества фортификаций и минных заграждений. Насыщенности фронта противотанковыми средствами. Господства в воздухе. Артиллерии. И даже наличия достаточно прочных мостов или достаточного количества срециальной техники для развертывания мостов. От мотивированности и обученности экипажа. И не следует забывать о снабжении и обслуживании. Короче, танки войну не выигрывают. Войну выигрывают люди. Когда всё хорошо спланировано и воплощено, когда неодиданности и сюрпризы предугаданы, когда есть готовность идти вперед и нести потери, тогда будет победа. Даже если проигрвваешь технологически. Кстати, мы с таким уже сталкивались.
5. В текущем конфликте вообще не важно, какой танк лучше. Украина проигрывает. Даже если западные танки лучше, то их недостаточно. И не танки являются главной силой этого конфликта, а артиллерия.
6. Если возникнет конфликт между Россией и США с НАТО, то качество танков тоже не будет иметь значения. Ибо в ход неизбежно пойдет ядерное оружие. Как минимум тактическое. Ну или Россия сдастся. Во что я не верю.
Вывод: плевать, какой танк лучше. У талибов их вообще не было, но мне кажется в план США не входила передача Афганистана талибам )))
самый аргументированный и логичный и грамотный комментарий супер!
Best comment in the entire section. Bravo.
Concordo plenamente com o comentário muito bem elaborado
“The tanks themselves in the modern world are not designed to fight against tanks” Are you stupid? Report this Russian propaganda account for misinformation.
As a regular American to you, I can say without any hesitation that most American's do not want to be an enemy of Russia anymore than any other country. We are not our government and you are not your government. Prior to this, I had hopes of traveling to all of Europe, the western countries of the UK, France, Germany, Spain, etc. I also had hopes of traveling to Eastern ones like Russia, where I could experience the history, culture, food, etc. I know there is personal feelings of anger from you guys post collapse of the Soviet Union, but I can say prior to the invasion of Ukraine that almost no one in America looked at Russia as our enemy anymore.
@11:24 also, the cope cages make them more visible
Fact is what uncoverse a real story from a fake. Anyone with some knowledge knows todays T72 are modernized minimum 3 generations since the 80s and shares only platform with the original T72. Calling the battle proofed T-72B3M "old design" compare to the Abrams is not the facts one get when google that..
I checked out the moment he mentioned "human wave" attacks.
💯
same here, he is an absolute idiot
They dont?
That's literally what russia did. Their losses are staggering in comparison.
@@reviewchan9806 Estimates of Ukrainian battlefield deaths range from 500,000 to as many a one million. 600,000 is a commonly cited number.
it turns out that FPV drones are the apex predators that eat tanks for breakfast
Yet Americans rant and rant about the superiority of their M1 tanks that had to be taken out of the fight beause of crews inexperienced in this new kind of warfare that the russians have two years of experience fighting.
Except turtle tank
The thumbnail is a Russian t-80 possible t-80U. Easy way to tell is T-72s and t-90s are built on same base and have the exhaust on the side instead off the back. Along side the snorkel tube on the back of the turret is all to common on t-80s
This dude is a navy expert, makes sense
Feels like the insider totally missed the point of this war. Why are you comparing tanks...
Comparing tanks is useless. They only hit soft targets which do not require up to date optics, armor, reloading speed, etc. The T55 does exactly what the Abrams does and it even has a better destroyed ratio!
“Upturned pyramids” is a term I didn’t expect to hear from a military commentator.
"Upturned pyramids"...you mean like concrete pylons or tank traps? The guy's a donut.
T90 + 4,5 mill $, Abrams = 75 mill $...
thats because the T-90 is crap
not to forget abrams is extremely hungry for fuel compared to other tanks. so its operating cost is even more, way more
Drones are killing them in mass.
Okay, another propaganda video with little to none usefulness. Perpetuating myths, omitting adaptation from both sides, and ignoring western design flaws. What a waste of 15 min of time
And it's obvious all the $ sent the US certainly doesn't have has mostly been embelzelled to perpetuate constant fraud for the fat cats.
Enlighten us about the western design flaws? I'm sure there are some, but comments like yours don't add anything if you cant even name one example.
@@guardian-X They are heavy AF, so they are not suitable for every terrain. In the case of Ukraine they must stick to paid roads or suffer constant stuck in a cross-country terrain, for quoting one, we can talk about their very high maintenance footprint, or the lack of knowledge about the hazards of using DU salvo rounds to the crew. When you design something, you always have to make compromises, so imaging that there are none is very naive and childish
@@teblack2 Thanks, now this comment is much more constructive.
@@teblack2 The abrams is less prone to getting stuck than any russian battle tank.
Russia sure has no Ammo but very effective shovels. The Abrams Leopard & Challenger Tanks were effectively taken out by shovels 😂
bullshit
The 50 cent army going hard in the comments lol. Maybe you should consider moderating the ones that are obviously bots out
This guy is an analyst: i think i know what im yalking about.
War thunder players: knows every weak point and detail about the vehicle.
No such thing as an obsolete tank.
T-55, T-62, T-34 all obsolete tanks.
@@viceralman8450 Depends what you use them for.
T-62 for example has smooth bore. It can snipe from distance with modern ammunition.
@@viceralman8450 Load HE shells into them, and they become IFVs so not really obsolete.
@@acdfg3 Congratulations you proved they are obsolete ad tank, MBTs.
@@svensvensson2724 Snipe with such and old fire control system it can barely be efective beyond 2km in excelent conditions, once anything modernish spots it, its done.
Russian T90 is the same price as Abrams? Really? ГЫЫЫЫ!!!
Expensive paint job.
That first line is very dumb. Tanks struggled in WW1, WW2, today and in the future. The real apex is artillery
I really wonder how someone who knows so little about a subject gets a job as an "expert". The number of false statements he makes in the 10 minutes I watched reminded me of those people who read one wikipedia entry and all of a sudden became immunology experts during covid... little did I know, in just a couple of years, they'd turn into foreign policy and politics scholars! 😩😩
'The tank is the apex predator' LOL Not any more. How many tank kills are from tank-on-tank fights? Seems that most tank kills are from drones, IFV or just infantry. Tanks are incredibly vulnerable today.
How many tanks have been destroyed compared to how many infantry, IFV or drones?
People have called tanks obsolete for over 100 years.
That in itself is starting to evolve.
Tanks will always be there.
Look now the Russians make their tanks look like turtles
Still tank is the only option in ground attack because the alternative is infantry charging the front
Tanks have always been vulnerable. Shoulder-fired antitank weapons were taking them out in WW2. Aircraft have been taking them out since WWII. Artillery will always be taking them out. It isn't some new thing.
Russian tanks are definitely vulnerable.
Poper use of combined arms is what makes tanks effective, rather than cope cages and tanks with houses lol.
If you are not in the financial market space right now, you are making a big mistake.I realize that it could be due to inexperience, but if you want to make your finances work for you, prevent inflation from eroding your savings, build generational wealth, and cultivate good habits and financial knowledge, you must be in the market.
The wisest thought that is in everyone's minds today is to invest in different income flows that do not depend on the government, especially with the current economic crisis around the world. This is still a good time to invest in gold, silver and digital currencies (BTC, ETH... Stock)
I have always wanted to trade crypto since 2019 but was scared due to its volatility, I think now I want to give it a try but don't know how to go about it.
Same here all thanks to Mrs Jeffrey Kathryn, she has always been there to guide me through with detailed analysis and recommendations that I wouldn't have access to otherwise.
How please I'm pretty new and feel I have much to learn, I would appreciate if you show me how to go about it?
After I raised up to 325k trading with expert Kathryn I bought a new House and a car here in the states also paid for my son's surgery (Oscar). Glory to God shalom.
That tragic war was unessessary.
The M1 Abrams that was sent to Ukraine is not the 'full version' if you'd like to call it that. Our Classified equipment was stripped from the Abrams sent overseas, out of fear that ruskies would get their hands on them
The Russians can fill in the blanks. For example, instead of the cardboard armor installed on the M1 there should be something more substantive.
For the last time: the auto loader is not a design flaw. Its a tradeoff. The soviet style tanks are all smaller, and don't need a loader. Yes, there are bustle auto loaders but there is a reason why they are so rare. The Russians are using the same reliable auto loader design since the 70s. Also, both the Leo 2 and the Challenger 2 have ammo stowages in the hull that, if hit, result in the same "jack in the box" effect as we have seen evidence of that in Ukraine. So much for MUH DESIGN FLAW. Abrams is the only tank that is truly immune to catastrophic ammo cook-offs but even the Abrams has a problem with the ammo burning through the bottom of the bustle rack and ruining the engine deck.
Also I shouldn't have clicked on the video. I already knew what was coming when I saw the T80 on the thumbnail (because of the rear exhaust) and saw it being labeled as a T90. I am just disappointed that I was right...
Also we've seen Leopard 2 and Challenger 2 with popped turrets in ukraine. But MSM will never talk about this
he mentioned and listed russia loses 5 times but not once for ukranians. how didnt Ukraine won by now they dont lose any people or vehicles?
The video is delusional as the reality is opposite what they say in terms of losses.
empire of lies
Was that English?
the real question if if ukraine only lost 30,000, then why do they need to conscript 500,000?
@@gumby2241 ukraine has lost around ~300k. Russia has lost around ~350k. Rough estimate since both don't release their real numbers
There may be errors in the text, as English is not my native language.
He mentioned the lack of Russian and Soviet tanks associated with the "departure of the tower" during the detonation of ammunition. This is due to the automatic loader. Different models of Russian tanks fire on average once every 7 seconds. Western tanks do not have an automatic loader, so they need an additional crew member. The rate of fire of Western tanks depends on how fast he can work, how tired he is, how badly tank shakes when moving and other factors.
Secondly, the video compares the cost of the most modern Russian T-90M tank with the M1A1 Abrams, which is not the best modifier of the line. For example, it is one and a half times heavier, which can become critical in off-road combat conditions.
High-tech military weapons are good, but in practice, simple and reliable military weapons is better.
How come we don't see M1 Abrams protecting Kharkiv from inferior Russian war machines?
Because Ukraine would need upgraded M1A2s not the obselete M1A1 models currently în their stock
@@global.citizensIt's not about the model it's about the numbers they can't afford to lose them while Russia can
@@XMfranchiseStudios True, but the russian supporters keep bragging they defeated the Abrams which is laughable
@@global.citizensAny abram version that will be sent to ukraine will meet the same Fate, is there any difference between lwopard tanks and abram tanks?leopard tanks was also the best german tank, and just no chance from lancet drones, even if you send any version of Abram tank its still a tank, $500 drone is enough with the US so called “game changers”
@@vladimirprotein1275 100 or 150 tanks are no game changers
If Ukraine had enough resources, it wouldn't had allowed any inf to infiltrate near the tanks
Well, an obselete Bradley Infantry Fighting machine took out a modern russian T-90
Wow....listen to this...Ukraine is winning! Russian equipment is inferior. Yeah. Okay.
Exactly propaganda pro max
It’s even mentioned that Russia has the advantage in terms of tanks. Altough Ukraine’s losses are not mentioned. It’s not mentioned they’re winning the war or even implied. It’s implied that Russia can sustain casualties and vehichle losses due to the sheer amount they have.
@@PauliusR123 A little suspicious that the West never talks about Ukraine's casualties. how come we only hear about Russia's casualties?
well, you did not watch the video
They salty 😂
They don’t even use the Abrams on the frontline. Too many already destroyed.
re sending 35 M1 Abrams costing $200 million. Thats about the same cost as a single Russian oligarchs super yacht.
What kind of gas it required to run to get to 200M USD? Even Starship fuel is not that expensive
You do know that packing and unpacking those tanks cost money right? You cant just drove them on the road all the way from NATO country to Ukraine.
They most likely pack them on a train. Not sure if the cost is $200m but it will still be expensives considering u also need to send the spareparts and ammo for the tanks
@@descartes2404 bit over priced for something that will burn very quickly as much as any other tank
@@happychappy492at least 80% of them then are still in service. Dont forget that there is no guarantee that all the abrams destroyed by russia is real. Last year russia claims that it destroyed over 40 himars, but only 16 real ones were sent, the rest are decoys made in czechia😂!
@@happychappy492then why russia lost 3 times as many tanks?
Not even a close fight. Because one side made their tank 50 times more expensive, so any ratio of exchange less than 50 to 1 is an absolute loss.
If a russian tank costs 3 million USD, you assume an American tank costs 150 million? Are you serious?
@@global.citizens Exactly, buddy. Shocking isn't it? Who can imagine what would have gone wrong with giving ammunition productions to private, secretive and largely unregulated companies while simultaneously making those companies sole monopolies shall have horrible consequences?
@@markarmage3776 who would ever think ... the oligarchs who want to keep the control of their influence zone against the globalists who litterly try to own the world monopoly in everything to enslave us completly.
@@global.citizensI believe the point of an exaggeration was simply to point out the issue
It closer to 1:2. Little bit more, like 1: 2.2. Exchange ratio is 1. So Russian tanks win.
3:21 only Russia would jump a tank 6 feet in the air and fire in mid air like that. Lol
Excellent report. Thank you!
Why build massive overpriced tanks when a lil drone can kill it, you're litteraly painting a target on your back if you get into a tank
bro proceeds to show t90, while the T90M is not shown in a single footage, T90-M is the better competititor to m1a2 !! bro doesnt know !!
Also: Yes. T90M is in service in ukraine ~150
T-54/55 and T-62 are used for indirect fire. They have indirect fire sight. Those sights weren't great even back in the day those tanks were new, but they have them. And Russians have massive amount of shells for them, so why not use them? Lack of accuracy is complemented by drones that are used for fire correction. That still makes them useful. Besides, any tank if hit by modern ATGMs or drones will go down, regardless how modern or not the tank is.
As for famous carousel and "jack in the box" where turrets pop up, it turned out that almost never are those caused by the ammo in the carousel being directly hit. Usually it is the additional ammo being stored all over the tank being hit that ignites, cooks off (at which point it makes no difference to the crew whether the carousel ammo will also get cooked off; they're done for any way) and then it reaches the carousel and you have those explosion. Both Russian and Ukrainian tank crews started going into battle with ammo in the carousel only (22 rounds) and with 0 additional ammo in tank hull and turret. And what do you know... The images of popped up turrets are now pretty rare, as opposed to the start of the confrontation...
T-62 uses modern ammo. Smooth bore...
I wouldn't trust this guy to tell the truth. His rhetoric shows me that he doesn't have a clue on the present turn of events.
Why is the CC different from the audio?
Abram’s Tanks that were destroyed in Ukraine are on display in Russia.
Congratulations you destroyed 2 tanks bozo
89 T90m losses bud
@@Jack-yv2xu it was not possible to do more, because the Abrams were recalled from the front on US instructions..... there was no need for bad publicity - bud
@@CJBVD it was not possible to do more, because the Abrams were recalled from the front on US instructions..... there was no need for bad publicity - bud
@@CJBVD you can not destroy tanks which are not in the frontline :D
😂😂😂😂 Are you serious????? 😂😂😂😂😂
The past 4 years proved us that those “experts” could be very dodgy or outright propagandists.
Man the warthunder battlefield experts are out in force in these comments! Glad you "experts" graced us with your spew.
And here I was thinking drones are the apex predator, so many tanks of all kinds have been destroyed or disabled by drones.
Ground warfare. Drones are classed as airborne
@@ArcticVXR1 there are underwater, water surface drones, ground drones, air drones, and even air drones fly very low, most fighter jets rarely get so low in combat as highest altitude for drones.
Why bother building Hypersonic Missiles when you can use CHEAP Drones ❓
@@KamBar2019 because they are cheap, USA even with printing trillions of dollars have not built a working hypersonic missile.
Better spend these trillions on magic stealth F-35, and pocket the money and buy all kinds of stocks, like Tesla, SpaceX, Amazon, Google, Apple, Facebook, etc.
and people
Both tanks are designed according to doctrine of the militaries they serve. M1 is designed for short blitzkrieg-type operations within a volunteer force. Russian tanks are the opposite- they're designed for attrition battles within a conscript army, thus its low maintenance cost and ease of manufacture, with a very low emphasis on crew survivability
The USA (and west in general) NEED mobility warfare. They just can't do attrition warfare. Russia is the opposite.
If the West got into an attrition war it'd last about a year before their governments collapsed.