They also showed us how weak our security was and the holes they used to infiltrate our city were supposed to be fixed with funding that they clergy was embezzling so we got that taken care of to.
"I was still, from the first moment the Imperial Fist slotted me in to the defenses of the north-eastern quadrant, to the moment the activation code brought me from my slumber. Having laid fourty-four years as one of many stones, I was now ready to break my constraints and follow my imperative." *brick next to him giggles* "Oh hey brother."
Id love the Alpha Legion play all three... Loyalist, Renegade and Traitor. Loyalist by majority, Renegade to strengthen the imperium outposts and Traitor to know what Chaos warbands are up too.
Same argument - mostly loyalist, but many of them ended up like the Space Wolves (vs the inquisition) or the Soul Drinkers and are more ‘renegade’ - and then there are the groups that fell to chaos over the 10k years that almost every chapter has had exist at some stage - that way the Primarch could remain ‘loyal’ to the emperor but still fight the inquisition/Church/etc.
@@sylph4252 I feel there would eventually have to be a handler for some of the Traitor Marines.. meaning there is definitely someone/something that is in contact with them, either it be through psychic spaghetti or a random cultist just saying a code phrase walking by for the legionnaire to "report in". Conrad Curze even told them that they were some of the most horrible liars in the galaxy, something along the lines of "they hide their biggest sins behind lies." Can't remember exactly
All three are true. Percentages are unknown. In Harrowmaster, we see traitor alpha legion, the redacted that push to fortify the imperium better. The loyalists are hard to find because it’s Alpha Legion.
The Alpha Legion symbol has three heads because there's actually a third brother. If you look at the Alpha Legion splash page in HH3:Extermination (somewhere around page 95?) it shows 3 skulls, each with a lowercase greek letter on its forewead: Alpha (Alpharius), Omega (Omegon) and Sigma (Sigmar?)
So one thing I always liked about the Cabal and the Alpha Legion story line is the idea that Alpharius Omegon saw through everything and got the bigger picture and is playing the long game. That they had to prepare for the ascension of The Emperor or to stop him from becoming the Dark King. That's why they were the only legion not to enter the Eye of Terror. They would play the role of chaos space marines but couldn't risk actually turning to the dark.
except that the cabal is canonically proven wrong by eldrad and that alpharius didnt see anything at all, from the beginning to the end? they fell for every stupid manipulation to achieve exactly nothing in "the long game". but i have to admit i'm just a huge alpha legion hater. i cannot for the life of me fathom how somebody enjoys their lore.
@@glitchbyt3gaming27 hey, no need to imsult a fellow fan because he doest like your favorite fictional guy. He didnt like the alpha legion didmt insult you.
@@leonhardable Games Workshop lore is fairly malleable. And Eldrad has gone from being brilliant to being utterly wrong with the stroke of a pen a number of times.
for your wedding, get the priest to wear chaplain terminator armor. I was able to get my wife to choose the name Celestine for our daughter. took her 5 years to slowly piece that. together. (she was beyond pissed) she got over it, and my daughter loves her name way. more when I revealed the sisters of battle army I am building for her to play with someday.
One of the coolest alliance armies I've seen was Alpha legion camouflaged and a bunch of cadian looking imperial guard with hydras on everything. It looked like the blood angels were helping the hydra Regiment of Cadian guard. The camouflage paint job was really cool.
My current paint project is loyalist Alpha Legion disguised as Raptors. They look the part, though there are small clues in the models such as XX and 20 having some prominence as well as any helmetless marines having the same features.
I think John's loop is actually the emperors from childhood and John is ensuring the proper path which is how the emperor checks his foresight of infinite paths
@@Vihara2 I mean why not. He's alive until we see a body and Dan Abnett is writing both stories. Being stuck under the palace for thousands of years is a good way to keep him out of the time line until they use his character again
@@ryanlindstrom3564 no, its just an absurd premise, unless a custodes freed then imprisoned him and he eventually escaped from the inquisition or something, just no.
While I was listening to your explanation of events, I started wondering if an Alpha Legion codex eventually existed, how awesome it would be if it had both Space Marine AND Chaos Space Marine tabletop choices.
@@shaneporter4958 in Part 2 of the og art books in the aftermath section pg406 there is a single image of a daemonic figure and the caption of the image is Alpharius - John Blanche and even in the index for the artwork, he seems to be almost draconic daemon wings snake like tendrils either from his back or wings, and his spear has turned into a almost khoplesh style blade like Magnus' with a scythe as a pommel similar to mortarion I know it sounds bonkers I thought I was crazy being the only one who seems to know about it
@@criticalcommenter it could be but both the passage before and after are covering what happened to the Primarchs in a vague sense " all of them faded into history" and the index section for the Primarchs that's the only page for Alpharius so while it could be some alpha legion marine the book is calling it Alpharius
The worst part of the alpha legion doing what they did they essentially ensured the very future they were trying to avoid. If they had fully supported the emperor from the start the traitor forces would have faltered Alot more and wouldn't have been able to lay siege to terra as they did.
@@glitchbyt3gaming27I remember a stream (forget which one maybe I'll come back once I find it) where sandman makes the point that nothing could've changed it. Guilliman was literally hours away, and no matter what he did guilliman wouldn't have been able to help the emperor because his battle with horus and the result of which was preordained. Not that everything is pre-destined, just that certain events would require systematic changes to avoid
Even if they supported the Emperor they would have been forced to act in the same way because alpha legion basically bought time not just for the emperor by manipulating Horus and doing alpha legion espionage to the traitors. They did it to not to just buy time for the emperor but to lay the groundwork for the future anti-chaos preparations and they’re decision that the didn’t know for sure what to decide just yet
I like the idea of Magnus the Red falling to and serving Tzeench, and Tzeench really wanting the damn Alpha Legion, but they were too wily. And that Alpharius is still playing some long con that ends up serving humanity, just not the way everyone expects it to.
Don't forget they're Bad guys from Dawn Of War 1 and they use Daemons not all are that loyal. That being said Alpha Legion are my favorite "traitor" Legion. They're great because you can run primaris and other SM models without much lore issue because you can say your opponent caught them mid-disguising
Cypher is Corswain, believe me, I was on a call with him yesterday, we were playing dead by daylight. He played the knight and kept yelling " for the lion". He told me he was trolling everyone being cypher
I got a small taste of lore from a few youtube channels, but the first book I read was Horus Rising about 2 years ago. Immediately hooked, and been reading various 30k and 40k novels since then. Eisenhorn was the first 40k book I read, and I devoured the entire series of those as fast as possible after. Can’t wait for the next Bequin novel.
I’m not into the game or anything else but I love the lore and the way you talk through it and your knowledge is really engaging. Keep up the good work
Could they have even infiltrated or manipulated the Custodes to imprison him there as 'subject XI'? All nice and safely tucked away with no chance of anyone uncovering who he is
My very first literary introduction to Warhammer 40k was the Space Wolf Omnibus I and II. With a friend named Google, I did just fine! This was back in 2012. lol.
I'd like to see the Alpha legion come in as the true saviors of humanity - not by siding with the Imperium, but by destroying both the Imperium AND chaos. Perhaps by killing the Emperor AND sealing the Eye of Terror at the same time. It would buy them time on one front long enough to restructure the Imperium with Guilliman's help and mount an actual defense for humanity. It's obvious that GW isn't going to END the status quo for the wider war, but I think they also realize that they're going to have to do SOMETHING big soon. You've got to shake up something because as it stands, humanity doesn't stand a chance of holding even another 100 years, let alone actually "win."
50:54 Big E cut off a part of his soul in the Inevitable City, which then became the City of Dust. Logically, that part of his soul would be easier to fetch from the same place it was cut off at
Live streams are awesome. No change! Also Ciaphas Cain I think are the best intro. Inquisition series a bit convoluted. Crime series is quite good but doesn't really introduce big lore.
Alpha Legion Battle Barge: “What’s for dinner?” “Ssshhh! Never ask that! The chef starts crying.” “Why does he start crying?” “Because he gets all the ingredients he needs and spends the next several hours crying because the initiates keep hiding his cookbooks”
I remember reading Wolf King when the Wolves run from the Alpha Legion in the Alaxxes Nebula, and let me tell you something, it was actually a really good read.Any Alpha Legion/ Space Wolf fan should definitely read it.
I think a secret AL vs. AL war in unseen places on terra or something like that could be a nice plot in 40k with bigger implications for the future like some gathering storm plots were.
A suggestion. Listen to the Doors song 'The Changeling' and substitute the word 'changeling' with 'Alpharius'. It fits and should be their theme song. *'I live uptown, I live down town, I live ALL AROUND!'* Perhaps Jim Morrison was originally an Alpha legionaire who got caught in the Warp and sent back Earth in the mid 20th century. *'This is the end, my only friend the end!'* Very WH 40 K appropriate. See also *'the Soft Parade'* and *'The Spy'.* All very Grim Dark Inquisitorial stuff!
Loyalist 30k alpha legion has always been one of my favorite theories. I plan on painting my first army as custodes with alpha legion colors as a little funny idea of what if the alpha legionnaires escaped stasis and stole custodes armor since alpha legion are bigger than the average space marine this could theoretically work
So if we assume that Alpharius and Omegon switch places when Horus "finds" him and they never switch back wouldn't that mean Dorn killed Omegon and Alpharius sensed it? I just can't see GW even with some of its wretchedly bad writing at times not setting this up better. Alpharius is a genius with schemes within schemes. He's going to get killed trying to talk the most loyal son that is predictable into changing sides? I guess it could be more wretchedly bad writing... but I think there's a long game story-line coming in a future book especially with Primarchs showing up.
I'm of the opinion that Omegon was indeed the one killed on Pluto not Alpharius. Dorn supposedly was able to tell who Alpharius was apart from the marines, but since Omegon is 100% identica, it'ss possible Dorn never knew the twin existed and just assumed that it was Alpharius. Could be an interesting way to bring back Alpharius and not mess up the lore too much
@@loganmeyer9200same to both of you. Plus it was stated that og-Alpharius actually knew and understood dorn as a person, and the way Pluto Alpharius(real omegon) approached dorn was just to stupid or lacking to me to be alpharius
@@doombybbr i felt like the way he states “I am Alpharius, this is a lie” always felt more so that he adopted the role of Omegon, and him saying that line is instead in reference to the lie of his persona due to losing his other half on pluto
Actae sounds very much like the Karla the Grey Witch from record of Lodoss war. A force of neutrality whose only goal is to maintain balance among all forces to avoid concentration of power leading to one of the sides decisively prevailing
For me nowadays I generally refer to the twins as first and last. In my personal headcanon and understanding is everything we thought of Alpharius in the old lore is flipped. For example serpent beneath tells us Omegon has the unmarked power armor and HOH tells us the reverse is true. The whole third head concept to me has always meant their legion is fairly autonomous as a whole and able to make demi primarchs. I view the status as last found sacrificed himself to allow the first found to slip back into anonymity. It's clear to me both twins are loyal and maybe at times they don't see eye to eye giving some of the fans to see it as split allegiance.
In 2003 I was familiar with 40K but hadn’t read any novels, I read Storm of Iron when I was deployed to Iraq the first time. To this day I still collect imperial fists and have owned, painted and played dozens of armies in that time.
Honestly the best place to start with lore, as an absolute beginner, would be one of the big rule books, not for the rules but they have thr main bits of story for the whole setting and each faction.
I saw your Valdor vid the other day and had a thought since then so since he was brought up here figured its worth punting out!: I'm pretty nre to 40k lore but enjoying the explainers from folk like yourself, ArbitorIan etc. to help me through it so cheers for that! You mentioned in the Valdor vid that it is unclear as to why Big E gave Valdor his particular Spear (Apollonian?) as it is the one that reveals truths to Valdor, not whomever he strikes. It's also mentioned Malcador see's that Valdor is becoming more than he was; thinking for himself, acting independently etc. toward the end of the Heresy. Has it been talked about at all that this could all be *because* of the Spear ie; it has revealed so many truths to Valdor that it set him on his 'King in Yellow' path...and if it does turn out to be that he's looking for a Vessel for the Emperor's soul-remnant that Big E's foresight, as flawed as it can be, granted him sight that Valdor would need the spear to help Him later with 'something' and so thats the weapon he granted him? I just feel like its the straightest line between why Valdor is so different to the other Custodes in 40k as the real difference maker between him and the others is the Spear and the sheer volume of 'truths' aka knowledge (and thusly, Power) that it must have revealed to him over the millennia/eons he's been fighting with it?
Be careful getting your lore from these videos. There are lots of mistakes in them and unless things are pointed out in black and white for them they miss a lot of the more subtle implications. Always better to read things for yourself when you can and when you can't just take it all with a pinch of salt. I'm less than 10 mins into this video and spotted 3 mistakes already
To my knowledge the who truths to the wielder was more of valdor gaining the truth if the other’s (recepient of the spear) life, and it was given to valdor so that he may regain some humanity as he seemed to kill without second thought(also due to him being custodes), but with the spear whenever he struck smth or someone, he gained all of its truths, adding some emotional weight back into said actions
To truly understand the Alpha Legion, one must realise this simple thing: The core of the legion still following Alpharius/Omegon are not Loyalists nor Traitors, They are Reformists in fact. The Alpha Legion, Guilliman and the Lion are the last defenders of the Imperial Truth, and of the Emperor's Dream that was shattered by the Heresy. But unlike their loyalist cousins, They do not fear to become Traitors to the Imperium, Because they despise its religiously fanatical current state anyway, But they are still loyal to the Emperor's Vision and to Mankind in general. They are the 3rd way, the 3 headed hydra, one head for Chaos, one head for the Imperium, and the last one for Humankind. Just like Malcador said : ‘You are not visible,’ Malcador continued. ‘You are… you could be… the secret shield. The sword in the darkness. The weapon our enemies do not expect, because their focus will be on us. You will do what you must to preserve what we have built, even without instruction, even if…’ -Even if you need to fight both Chaos and the Imperium, in order to save Humankind. Thats what Malcador was thinking i suspect.
The Alpha Legion is basically an entire legion of Fallen. It’s the only traitor legion that one could really call ‘renegade’ as a whole rather then being a full on chaos legion (overall, there are still many Alpha Legion chaos marines just like there are many fallen chaos space marines)
My view of the Alpha Legion divides it into three broad categories. The first is the warbands. These are the most obvious, because they are the least subtle. They are raiders and reavers; sorcerers and savages. Lord Bale and Sindri Myr from Dawn of War fall into this category. Second, there are the splinter cells. These are the lone operatives and sleeper agents which show up in the Alpha Legion short stories. Some act as spy masters, recruiting and coordinating others. Many are free agents or puppets of larger players. They follow ideologies like those of radical Inquisitors such as Xanthism or Istvaanism. Deathrow from the Bequin series fits this mode. Finally, there is the Unbroken Chain. This is the true legion and it's spy masters know the plan and pull the strings. They are playing the long game seek no goal beyond the survival of humanity.
Random theory... 3 brothers Alpha Omega and Beta. 2 lost legions 1 lost 1 purged referring to never found primarch and an already chaos primarch, so omega and beta took their places training both legions to be alpha and then folding them into ultra marines so the ultramarines are 2/3 alpha. when alpha fought dorn alpha actually won and replaced dorn. when emp was done fighting horus dorn/alpha replaced the emp's body with omega to make omega into a god. and eventually they took out guilliman and put beta in his place, between the 3 the alpha legion in charge of almost all of humanity and even has assets manipulating things within chaos legions.
Cake Topper; Sanguinous and a penitent Sister of Silence in Power Armour? If you get push back mention your love of Deathguard, no one wants a plague lord on their wedding cake?
I would be cool to see the Alpha legion come back in the end and save the imperium. Or maybe be secretly working with Constantine Valdor behind the scenes to save it as part of the Emperor’s plan?
@@criticalcommenterfrom all the new releases to the story and lore, I will always trust the Alpha legion is playing several games at once. Even if they aren’t the idea they are is powerful in this universe.
I agree that the eisenhorn series is not a great place to start for a complete newbie. I was recommended that series as my first 40k book. I struggled a lot trying to understand everything. I had to read it again later to really appreciate it. I agree Guants Ghosts is a nice start. The first 5 books of the Horus heresy would be awesome too!
I think the novella 15 hours really introduces the true level of grimdark. The guardsmans pride at making it to 15 hours had me crying manly tears. pkus its a quick albeit traumatizing read.
Remember when Alpharius gave Horus the gene tech stolen from the raven guard in private he says now we are truly legion so is that clones of Alpharius and Omegan with minor shards of their soles
Majorly off topic, but... The more lore I learn, the more I crave a kinda of Galaxy spanning strategy game for 40k. Something similar to Stellaris or EAW. (if yah know, yah know) I know there's mods, but they rarely touch how good a 40k strategy game like that could be. (Ngl, it would probably be best as a stellaris style due to how much more you can do politically and such)
"There WERE six routes into the palace that only Dorn knew about...until the Alpha Legion found one of them." Dorn: *"I am REINSTALLING THE PALACE!"* 😉
All Hail The Sand Lion of Terra And the union of him and the Battle Sister! For the imperium! Nah but for real. Your 9000iq for lil sneaking weding ideas are next level. You could even hide the logos/emblems of some of the legions or even the heraldry of the titans as often they are old english knight style banners etc, would look cool just on thr wedding initations 😂 best of luck my guy to you and your love! Big congrats again! 🫡
Fulgrim was shot in the head and shook it off like it was nothing then cloned and preserved in "perfect" form. Ferrus Manus and Alpharius are my favorite Primarchs. Guess how I feel about Fulgrim and the writers that prop him up while tearing others down. It's safe to say that Alpharius' death was the last straw in my 40k love. now I only check in on videos now, to see if GW has collapsed yet or if they've come to their senses.
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I stand for The Emperor. I am loyal to Him, and I...*checks calender*...cannot break that bond.
What's my goal? Throws dice: "Betray" "Self"
Am I loyal? *shakes magic 8-ball* Yes.
I like the idea of loyalist Alpha legion
Always dig your vids. Discussion of issues that cross our minds as we read ourselves.
Always has been
Always has been
As a long time AL player I’m all for it.
Always have been.
Alpha Legion is that supervillain who poisons the water supply but this just reveals how bad the infrastructure was so it gets repaired to save lives.
I appretiate this reference
You fixed my shoulder
I know it's a reference to something! But what!
Prozd skit about a supervillain who is accidentally helpful
They also showed us how weak our security was and the holes they used to infiltrate our city were supposed to be fixed with funding that they clergy was embezzling so we got that taken care of to.
Dorn never realised that the bricks that he used to reinforce the Golden Palace were actually disguised Alpha Legionnaires.
"I was still, from the first moment the Imperial Fist slotted me in to the defenses of the north-eastern quadrant, to the moment the activation code brought me from my slumber. Having laid fourty-four years as one of many stones, I was now ready to break my constraints and follow my imperative."
*brick next to him giggles*
"Oh hey brother."
Id love the Alpha Legion play all three... Loyalist, Renegade and Traitor.
Loyalist by majority, Renegade to strengthen the imperium outposts and Traitor to know what Chaos warbands are up too.
Same argument - mostly loyalist, but many of them ended up like the Space Wolves (vs the inquisition) or the Soul Drinkers and are more ‘renegade’ - and then there are the groups that fell to chaos over the 10k years that almost every chapter has had exist at some stage - that way the Primarch could remain ‘loyal’ to the emperor but still fight the inquisition/Church/etc.
It could also be that parts of the legion are loyal, parts renegade and parts traitor, but since they are so secretive they don't tell each other
@@sylph4252
I feel there would eventually have to be a handler for some of the Traitor Marines.. meaning there is definitely someone/something that is in contact with them, either it be through psychic spaghetti or a random cultist just saying a code phrase walking by for the legionnaire to "report in".
Conrad Curze even told them that they were some of the most horrible liars in the galaxy, something along the lines of "they hide their biggest sins behind lies." Can't remember exactly
They've done far more damage though haven't they? Ruining corvis raptors alone..
All three are true. Percentages are unknown. In Harrowmaster, we see traitor alpha legion, the redacted that push to fortify the imperium better. The loyalists are hard to find because it’s Alpha Legion.
The Alpha Legion symbol has three heads because there's actually a third brother. If you look at the Alpha Legion splash page in HH3:Extermination (somewhere around page 95?) it shows 3 skulls, each with a lowercase greek letter on its forewead: Alpha (Alpharius), Omega (Omegon) and Sigma (Sigmar?)
So one thing I always liked about the Cabal and the Alpha Legion story line is the idea that Alpharius Omegon saw through everything and got the bigger picture and is playing the long game. That they had to prepare for the ascension of The Emperor or to stop him from becoming the Dark King.
That's why they were the only legion not to enter the Eye of Terror. They would play the role of chaos space marines but couldn't risk actually turning to the dark.
except that the cabal is canonically proven wrong by eldrad and that alpharius didnt see anything at all, from the beginning to the end?
they fell for every stupid manipulation to achieve exactly nothing in "the long game".
but i have to admit i'm just a huge alpha legion hater. i cannot for the life of me fathom how somebody enjoys their lore.
@@leonhardableOne way is to possess more than one brain cell to rub together.... always a good place to start 🤷🏽♂
@@glitchbyt3gaming27 hey, no need to imsult a fellow fan because he doest like your favorite fictional guy. He didnt like the alpha legion didmt insult you.
@@leonhardable Games Workshop lore is fairly malleable. And Eldrad has gone from being brilliant to being utterly wrong with the stroke of a pen a number of times.
I imagine several did turn to chaos just by playing spy.
Repeating a lie often enough can make you believe.
I think it will be interesting to see Alpharius revealed to be working along side The King in Yellow (Constantin Valdor)
Well one of them is working for Eisenhorn.
for your wedding, get the priest to wear chaplain terminator armor.
I was able to get my wife to choose the name Celestine for our daughter. took her 5 years to slowly piece that. together. (she was beyond pissed) she got over it, and my daughter loves her name way. more when I revealed the sisters of battle army I am building for her to play with someday.
I’m excited for when my kid is old enough to build, paint and play 40K with me
Roboute guilliman and yvraine holding hands on top of the cake. Or Commissar Yarrick and Ghazghkull Thraka: ultimate power couple
Lion El Johnson: how long was I asleep? Where's robutte?
The watchers: random noises
Lion: HE DID WHAT WITH A WHO!?!
Ah bro let her have a Warhammer free wedding and just have a stag do worthy of the Emperor!
All your wedding tables should be named "Alpharius" i'm sure that would have an effect...
No AI will ever beat these livestreams
This was ai the whole time. Sandman never actually existed.
But it will replace WH ^^
He prefers the term Silica Animus
Damn right!
Ferrus Manus will receive the Emperor’s dreadnought 💀
The place to start? Rogue Trader.
What books are about the Alpha Legion? All of them.
I am Alpharius and I approves of these statements... this is a lie. 😶🌫️
Legion
Alpharius-Head of the Hydra
Shroud of Night
Renegades: Harrowmaster
One of the coolest alliance armies I've seen was Alpha legion camouflaged and a bunch of cadian looking imperial guard with hydras on everything. It looked like the blood angels were helping the hydra Regiment of Cadian guard. The camouflage paint job was really cool.
My current paint project is loyalist Alpha Legion disguised as Raptors. They look the part, though there are small clues in the models such as XX and 20 having some prominence as well as any helmetless marines having the same features.
"She does read the comments"
Hi Sandlady of Terra!
Plp
If the tables are named after planets, be worried if you're sat on Isstvan 5...
Or Kreig, or cadia, or baal.
Or catachan
They are my favorite legion.
I like their covert operations and their uncertainty of whether or not they are loyalists or traitors.
I think John's loop is actually the emperors from childhood and John is ensuring the proper path which is how the emperor checks his foresight of infinite paths
For the wedding, you probably should have something like an oath of moment 🤣 Cheers for the fantastic content, man 👌
My money is that Ingo Pech is the space marine that is following around Inquisitor Eisenhorn. Grails seem like the peak way of controlling chaos
The idea of the oldest space marine in the imperium being the first captain of the alpha Legion is a little absurd no?
@@Vihara2 I mean why not. He's alive until we see a body and Dan Abnett is writing both stories. Being stuck under the palace for thousands of years is a good way to keep him out of the time line until they use his character again
@@ryanlindstrom3564 no, its just an absurd premise, unless a custodes freed then imprisoned him and he eventually escaped from the inquisition or something, just no.
While I was listening to your explanation of events, I started wondering if an Alpha Legion codex eventually existed, how awesome it would be if it had both Space Marine AND Chaos Space Marine tabletop choices.
In the og Art omnibus for the Horus heresy there is a single image of daemon primarch Alpharius
More info please 🙏
@@shaneporter4958 in Part 2 of the og art books in the aftermath section pg406 there is a single image of a daemonic figure and the caption of the image is Alpharius - John Blanche and even in the index for the artwork, he seems to be almost draconic daemon wings snake like tendrils either from his back or wings, and his spear has turned into a almost khoplesh style blade like Magnus' with a scythe as a pommel similar to mortarion
I know it sounds bonkers I thought I was crazy being the only one who seems to know about it
@@YourHighnessIVcould it not just be a random alpha legion guy?
@@criticalcommenter it could be but both the passage before and after are covering what happened to the Primarchs in a vague sense " all of them faded into history" and the index section for the Primarchs that's the only page for Alpharius so while it could be some alpha legion marine the book is calling it Alpharius
The worst part of the alpha legion doing what they did they essentially ensured the very future they were trying to avoid.
If they had fully supported the emperor from the start the traitor forces would have faltered Alot more and wouldn't have been able to lay siege to terra as they did.
Thats still literally no guarantee that Horus wouldnt have still put the Emperor onto the Golden Throne tho?
@@glitchbyt3gaming27I remember a stream (forget which one maybe I'll come back once I find it) where sandman makes the point that nothing could've changed it. Guilliman was literally hours away, and no matter what he did guilliman wouldn't have been able to help the emperor because his battle with horus and the result of which was preordained. Not that everything is pre-destined, just that certain events would require systematic changes to avoid
The Kabal were wrong in their predictions.
Even if they supported the Emperor they would have been forced to act in the same way because alpha legion basically bought time not just for the emperor by manipulating Horus and doing alpha legion espionage to the traitors. They did it to not to just buy time for the emperor but to lay the groundwork for the future anti-chaos preparations and they’re decision that the didn’t know for sure what to decide just yet
Malcador and Big E mentored Alpharius, no way he thought he could sway Rogal Dorn 😂
Definitely Omegon died on Pluto.
I like the idea of Magnus the Red falling to and serving Tzeench, and Tzeench really wanting the damn Alpha Legion, but they were too wily. And that Alpharius is still playing some long con that ends up serving humanity, just not the way everyone expects it to.
Don't forget they're Bad guys from Dawn Of War 1 and they use Daemons not all are that loyal. That being said Alpha Legion are my favorite "traitor" Legion. They're great because you can run primaris and other SM models without much lore issue because you can say your opponent caught them mid-disguising
Not very alpha legion to get caught
Unless they wanted to get caught....
Cypher is Corswain, believe me, I was on a call with him yesterday, we were playing dead by daylight. He played the knight and kept yelling " for the lion". He told me he was trolling everyone being cypher
I got a small taste of lore from a few youtube channels, but the first book I read was Horus Rising about 2 years ago. Immediately hooked, and been reading various 30k and 40k novels since then. Eisenhorn was the first 40k book I read, and I devoured the entire series of those as fast as possible after. Can’t wait for the next Bequin novel.
0:56 An hour long sandman video dropped in the middle of my shift? Say it isnt so😂
Not me watching an hour long sandman video during a work meeting...
I always listen at work 😂 it’s essential
Sandman not mentioning the King in Yellow for one video.
Challenge: Impossible.
Great vid as always, my favourite Legion just got more interesting.
I’m not into the game or anything else but I love the lore and the way you talk through it and your knowledge is really engaging. Keep up the good work
Welcome aboard! Here's my beginners video if youre interested: ruclips.net/video/8jhGnWxFdfE/видео.htmlsi=n1Y6PJmOFfEcrlRE
@@SandmanofTerra thank you
Amazing stream brother. I always appreciate a look inside the headspace of a lore master like yourself. Thank you!
Could they have even infiltrated or manipulated the Custodes to imprison him there as 'subject XI'? All nice and safely tucked away with no chance of anyone uncovering who he is
My very first literary introduction to Warhammer 40k was the Space Wolf Omnibus I and II. With a friend named Google, I did just fine! This was back in 2012. lol.
Those were great books.
Whatever Dorn is up to, we know he's doing it single handed.
I'd like to see the Alpha legion come in as the true saviors of humanity - not by siding with the Imperium, but by destroying both the Imperium AND chaos. Perhaps by killing the Emperor AND sealing the Eye of Terror at the same time. It would buy them time on one front long enough to restructure the Imperium with Guilliman's help and mount an actual defense for humanity.
It's obvious that GW isn't going to END the status quo for the wider war, but I think they also realize that they're going to have to do SOMETHING big soon. You've got to shake up something because as it stands, humanity doesn't stand a chance of holding even another 100 years, let alone actually "win."
50:54 Big E cut off a part of his soul in the Inevitable City, which then became the City of Dust. Logically, that part of his soul would be easier to fetch from the same place it was cut off at
Live streams are awesome. No change! Also Ciaphas Cain I think are the best intro. Inquisition series a bit convoluted. Crime series is quite good but doesn't really introduce big lore.
Sandman you being the least bad option makes you the best man for the job congratulations
Congratulations on the engagement, I don’t know if you should suggest a red handprint on her white dress though. lol best wishes.
Alpha Legion Battle Barge:
“What’s for dinner?”
“Ssshhh! Never ask that! The chef starts crying.”
“Why does he start crying?”
“Because he gets all the ingredients he needs and spends the next several hours crying because the initiates keep hiding his cookbooks”
SANDMAN GIVING US ALPHA LEGION CONTENT?! GOD BLESS!!!
I remember reading Wolf King when the Wolves run from the Alpha Legion in the Alaxxes Nebula, and let me tell you something, it was actually a really good read.Any Alpha Legion/ Space Wolf fan should definitely read it.
I think a secret AL vs. AL war in unseen places on terra or something like that could be a nice plot in 40k with bigger implications for the future like some gathering storm plots were.
A suggestion. Listen to the Doors song 'The Changeling' and substitute the word 'changeling' with 'Alpharius'. It fits and should be their theme song. *'I live uptown, I live down town, I live ALL AROUND!'* Perhaps Jim Morrison was originally an Alpha legionaire who got caught in the Warp and sent back Earth in the mid 20th century. *'This is the end, my only friend the end!'* Very WH 40 K appropriate. See also *'the Soft Parade'* and *'The Spy'.* All very Grim Dark Inquisitorial stuff!
Loyalist 30k alpha legion has always been one of my favorite theories. I plan on painting my first army as custodes with alpha legion colors as a little funny idea of what if the alpha legionnaires escaped stasis and stole custodes armor since alpha legion are bigger than the average space marine this could theoretically work
What you think about the old Dawn of War videogame as a starting point into 40k? That what got me into 40k years ago.
The death row thing was the first thing I thought of also. God that would be so dope.
Fischig eat your heart out.
Let him name the tables!
Honestly always a pleasure!
Alpha Legion is literally Mac from Its Always Sunny meme, "Im playing both sides so i always come up on top"
So if we assume that Alpharius and Omegon switch places when Horus "finds" him and they never switch back wouldn't that mean Dorn killed Omegon and Alpharius sensed it? I just can't see GW even with some of its wretchedly bad writing at times not setting this up better. Alpharius is a genius with schemes within schemes. He's going to get killed trying to talk the most loyal son that is predictable into changing sides? I guess it could be more wretchedly bad writing... but I think there's a long game story-line coming in a future book especially with Primarchs showing up.
I'm of the opinion that Omegon was indeed the one killed on Pluto not Alpharius. Dorn supposedly was able to tell who Alpharius was apart from the marines, but since Omegon is 100% identica, it'ss possible Dorn never knew the twin existed and just assumed that it was Alpharius. Could be an interesting way to bring back Alpharius and not mess up the lore too much
@@loganmeyer9200same to both of you. Plus it was stated that og-Alpharius actually knew and understood dorn as a person, and the way Pluto Alpharius(real omegon) approached dorn was just to stupid or lacking to me to be alpharius
Remember the book starts with "I am alpharius, this is a lie"
Literally ALL the lore on the Alpha legion is unreliable
@@doombybbrVery true. Which is why Alpharius IS really Cypher! (insert evil laugh)
@@doombybbr i felt like the way he states “I am Alpharius, this is a lie” always felt more so that he adopted the role of Omegon, and him saying that line is instead in reference to the lie of his persona due to losing his other half on pluto
Actae sounds very much like the Karla the Grey Witch from record of Lodoss war. A force of neutrality whose only goal is to maintain balance among all forces to avoid concentration of power leading to one of the sides decisively prevailing
For me nowadays I generally refer to the twins as first and last. In my personal headcanon and understanding is everything we thought of Alpharius in the old lore is flipped.
For example serpent beneath tells us Omegon has the unmarked power armor and HOH tells us the reverse is true. The whole third head concept to me has always meant their legion is fairly autonomous as a whole and able to make demi primarchs.
I view the status as last found sacrificed himself to allow the first found to slip back into anonymity. It's clear to me both twins are loyal and maybe at times they don't see eye to eye giving some of the fans to see it as split allegiance.
In 2003 I was familiar with 40K but hadn’t read any novels, I read Storm of Iron when I was deployed to Iraq the first time. To this day I still collect imperial fists and have owned, painted and played dozens of armies in that time.
I started in Lord Of The Night and then went into Guant's Ghosts, mid way into those I jumped into Ravenor
back here again listening for those details i missed the first time
Hydra Dominatus
Honestly the best place to start with lore, as an absolute beginner, would be one of the big rule books, not for the rules but they have thr main bits of story for the whole setting and each faction.
You don't even need the most current edition. The main lore hasn't changed so you could pick up a copy of 4th ed and it would still be accurate
I saw your Valdor vid the other day and had a thought since then so since he was brought up here figured its worth punting out!:
I'm pretty nre to 40k lore but enjoying the explainers from folk like yourself, ArbitorIan etc. to help me through it so cheers for that!
You mentioned in the Valdor vid that it is unclear as to why Big E gave Valdor his particular Spear (Apollonian?) as it is the one that reveals truths to Valdor, not whomever he strikes.
It's also mentioned Malcador see's that Valdor is becoming more than he was; thinking for himself, acting independently etc. toward the end of the Heresy.
Has it been talked about at all that this could all be *because* of the Spear ie; it has revealed so many truths to Valdor that it set him on his 'King in Yellow' path...and if it does turn out to be that he's looking for a Vessel for the Emperor's soul-remnant that Big E's foresight, as flawed as it can be, granted him sight that Valdor would need the spear to help Him later with 'something' and so thats the weapon he granted him?
I just feel like its the straightest line between why Valdor is so different to the other Custodes in 40k as the real difference maker between him and the others is the Spear and the sheer volume of 'truths' aka knowledge (and thusly, Power) that it must have revealed to him over the millennia/eons he's been fighting with it?
Be careful getting your lore from these videos. There are lots of mistakes in them and unless things are pointed out in black and white for them they miss a lot of the more subtle implications. Always better to read things for yourself when you can and when you can't just take it all with a pinch of salt. I'm less than 10 mins into this video and spotted 3 mistakes already
To my knowledge the who truths to the wielder was more of valdor gaining the truth if the other’s (recepient of the spear) life, and it was given to valdor so that he may regain some humanity as he seemed to kill without second thought(also due to him being custodes), but with the spear whenever he struck smth or someone, he gained all of its truths, adding some emotional weight back into said actions
For your wedding, you need to wear a purity seal on the lapel of your suit/coat/shirt/tux.
And end your vows with, "by your word."
To truly understand the Alpha Legion, one must realise this simple thing:
The core of the legion still following Alpharius/Omegon are not Loyalists nor Traitors, They are Reformists in fact.
The Alpha Legion, Guilliman and the Lion are the last defenders of the Imperial Truth, and of the Emperor's Dream that was shattered by the Heresy.
But unlike their loyalist cousins, They do not fear to become Traitors to the Imperium, Because they despise its religiously fanatical current state anyway,
But they are still loyal to the Emperor's Vision and to Mankind in general.
They are the 3rd way, the 3 headed hydra, one head for Chaos, one head for the Imperium, and the last one for Humankind.
Just like Malcador said : ‘You are not visible,’ Malcador continued. ‘You are… you could be… the secret shield. The sword in the darkness. The weapon our enemies do not expect, because their focus will be on us. You will do what you must to preserve what we have built, even without instruction, even if…’
-Even if you need to fight both Chaos and the Imperium, in order to save Humankind. Thats what Malcador was thinking i suspect.
- Do you have any last words before your sentence Is carried out?
- "Yeah, Teddy, bear 🧸"
Westley Snipes.
The Alpha Legion is basically an entire legion of Fallen. It’s the only traitor legion that one could really call ‘renegade’ as a whole rather then being a full on chaos legion (overall, there are still many Alpha Legion chaos marines just like there are many fallen chaos space marines)
Eye of Terror was my first or second. First might have been the" Deathwing" book which was an anthology
Buddy's wedding had imperial seals instead of boutineers for the groom and groomsmen... looked really good
My view of the Alpha Legion divides it into three broad categories. The first is the warbands. These are the most obvious, because they are the least subtle. They are raiders and reavers; sorcerers and savages. Lord Bale and Sindri Myr from Dawn of War fall into this category. Second, there are the splinter cells. These are the lone operatives and sleeper agents which show up in the Alpha Legion short stories. Some act as spy masters, recruiting and coordinating others. Many are free agents or puppets of larger players. They follow ideologies like those of radical Inquisitors such as Xanthism or Istvaanism. Deathrow from the Bequin series fits this mode. Finally, there is the Unbroken Chain. This is the true legion and it's spy masters know the plan and pull the strings. They are playing the long game seek no goal beyond the survival of humanity.
Wedding table is The Lions table, every other table is named after each captain. The kids table is Cypher
Keep the table # s as 1,2,3,etc and each table is themed after the corresponding legion.
For starting out with books is 15 hours. It's the quintessential guard book, "astra mili-what now? You're in the guard son, you're gonna die!"
I love all the King in Yellow discussions, it's fascinating.
32:04 "Hideo Kojima, I don't know who he is......" This made me laugh as I heard 100,000 weaboo's scream in pain.
Warhammer wedding table names after angels is gold
John told ingo if he moved slow enough he could escape
Gargant cake at the wedding!
Missed it again Jeneta Croles Mars pattern BIRTH CONTROL DEVICE DAMN IT!!!!!!?
Random theory... 3 brothers Alpha Omega and Beta. 2 lost legions 1 lost 1 purged referring to never found primarch and an already chaos primarch, so omega and beta took their places training both legions to be alpha and then folding them into ultra marines so the ultramarines are 2/3 alpha. when alpha fought dorn alpha actually won and replaced dorn. when emp was done fighting horus dorn/alpha replaced the emp's body with omega to make omega into a god. and eventually they took out guilliman and put beta in his place, between the 3 the alpha legion in charge of almost all of humanity and even has assets manipulating things within chaos legions.
Lollll the shit where a custodes just on break finding fuckin alpharius in a freezer in the Basement 😂
Your marital vow: "I accept these burdens, as the Imperium creeds."
It would also be cool if the custodes knew that some were loyal and allowed them to conduct certain operations
Alpha legion is my favorite legion. They are like space Andy Kaufman, you never know whether to take them seriously.
18:16 as long as some tables are not named Istvan 3/5 it should be fine
Cake Topper; Sanguinous and a penitent Sister of Silence in Power Armour?
If you get push back mention your love of Deathguard, no one wants a plague lord on their wedding cake?
I would be cool to see the Alpha legion come back in the end and save the imperium. Or maybe be secretly working with Constantine Valdor behind the scenes to save it as part of the Emperor’s plan?
For all we know this entire video was created by Alpharius to feed us more false info about Alpharius to help the imperium!
It's certainly feeding false info. Only a few minutes in and already quite a few mistakes
@@criticalcommenterfrom all the new releases to the story and lore, I will always trust the Alpha legion is playing several games at once. Even if they aren’t the idea they are is powerful in this universe.
Hideo Kojima is respectable creator/designer/writer of video games, such as death stranding, metal gear, snatcher
Great vid again!
I agree that the eisenhorn series is not a great place to start for a complete newbie. I was recommended that series as my first 40k book. I struggled a lot trying to understand everything. I had to read it again later to really appreciate it. I agree Guants Ghosts is a nice start. The first 5 books of the Horus heresy would be awesome too!
Ekhm - Alpha(P)ri(m)us
I think the novella 15 hours really introduces the true level of grimdark. The guardsmans pride at making it to 15 hours had me crying manly tears. pkus its a quick albeit traumatizing read.
Remember when Alpharius gave Horus the gene tech stolen from the raven guard in private he says now we are truly legion so is that clones of Alpharius and Omegan with minor shards of their soles
Majorly off topic, but...
The more lore I learn, the more I crave a kinda of Galaxy spanning strategy game for 40k. Something similar to Stellaris or EAW. (if yah know, yah know)
I know there's mods, but they rarely touch how good a 40k strategy game like that could be. (Ngl, it would probably be best as a stellaris style due to how much more you can do politically and such)
"There WERE six routes into the palace that only Dorn knew about...until the Alpha Legion found one of them."
Dorn: *"I am REINSTALLING THE PALACE!"* 😉
All Hail The Sand Lion of Terra And the union of him and the Battle Sister! For the imperium! Nah but for real. Your 9000iq for lil sneaking weding ideas are next level. You could even hide the logos/emblems of some of the legions or even the heraldry of the titans as often they are old english knight style banners etc, would look cool just on thr wedding initations 😂 best of luck my guy to you and your love! Big congrats again! 🫡
Am a fan of the idea Ingo might be Deathrow
4:45 How is Obergon? Lol 😂
Fulgrim was shot in the head and shook it off like it was nothing then cloned and preserved in "perfect" form. Ferrus Manus and Alpharius are my favorite Primarchs. Guess how I feel about Fulgrim and the writers that prop him up while tearing others down. It's safe to say that Alpharius' death was the last straw in my 40k love. now I only check in on videos now, to see if GW has collapsed yet or if they've come to their senses.