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CAN YOU "T" UP THE CROWD??? | Technical Foul Plays | Ep 21.15
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- Опубликовано: 12 авг 2024
- This week we are looking at Technical Fouls in National Federation of High School Basketball Rules. The correct answer whenever a Technical Foul is the ruling is never just "Technical Foul." The correct answer is either:
Administrative Technical Foul
Team Technical Foul
Substitute Technical Foul
Player Technical Foul or
Bench Technical Foul.
As officials, it is critical that we assess the CORRECT technical for the situation and know how to correctly administer the penalty and get the game moving again.
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ruclips.net/video/LDeX24HKR4A/видео.html the link above is of an 8th grade game that happened on Monday. If you skip to around the 34:00 off the linked video, there is a shooting foul followed by a double player technical foul (a player from each team got tied up with one another). If I’m interpreting the rule correctly, Rule 10-7 Penalties. The Double Technical was not adjudicated correctly. White gets free throws with no one on the lanes and possession. You’ve taught me that you never go to the arrow on a double technical… it’s point of interruption, which was after the shooting foul, so the free throws should have been taken as normal.
Not my team, but in this situation, I would respectfully protest the game under not adjudicating the penalty described in Rule 10.7 in regard to a double technical foul.
A Better Offical on play one, white was on a power play LOL
@ A better official On the last play of game where fans come out saw that in a high school league championship game down my way very controversial. In my humble opinion clear the court play on DO NOT CALL THE TECHNICAL FOUL. As you red Greg you can call a t doesn'tean you have to as time did expire just my humble opinion
I love that your identical twin also officiates, and he doesn't mind you using his video from time to time.... ;)
Right?!
Greg, thanks for all the educational material that you present through this channel... I have to congratulate you for how clear and simple your presentations are, great explanations and considerations on play situations, a practical manner to learn and improve our present officiating basketball skills.
Talking about play #5 situation from this presentation, I'll like to mention the usage of "Common Sense" it's a great officiating tool that always have to be present in our officiating toolbox, this tool allow officials to keep things simple and practical...Thank you so much for your advice on this play situation getting this game going with the first extra time period since the game ended up with a tide score 54-54... Great interpretation, "Common Sense " a valuable tool!
Related to the Bonus Play. There is a school in Orange County, CA that has a tradition of throwing toilet paper onto the court on their first made three pointer of the game. They call it “Making it Rain”.
The coach has accepted that it will be a technical foul. However, I have not seen him lose his coaching box privilege from this. I also see why that is a technical foul as it directly interrupts the game whereas the bonus play was a “delay” that happened during an intermission.
Also, once the technical foul was assessed, wouldn’t the OT period begin with 2 free throws and then a spot throw-in opposite the scorer’s table? I thought it was incorrect that they did a jump ball after the free throws.
Love these videos!!
Hi Shane!
In the Make It Rain scenario, a team technical foul would be assessed. Team technical fouls have no impact on the head coach, only bench technical fouls or direct technical fouls on the head coach do.
I agree with your assessment about the impact on the game during intermission versus during the game where it is clear and obvious.
In regards to resuming play in overtime you are absolutely correct the crew here makes the mistake of having a jump ball.
Good stuff. Thanks.
I would not have called that last T in last video and do not think you would have as well
Thank You very Helpful
The play at 18:40 with the held ball, white keeps the arrow correct?
In bonus play's dramatic ending w clock's 0.03 in 4th Q, only a tip'in at rim, is allowed. Refs' TK for White's crowd on court is ?/ok, but Black team also gets ball at div'line, after 2 FTs, to start this overtime, & wrong w a jumpball!..
As an official, love this.
I was looking for clarity on Rule 4 Section 7 Article 2c. Can you help out?
Bonus Play: It's also important to recognize that the game is not over, and the overtime period cannot start with fans on the court. So they are, in fact, interfering with the orderly progress of the game.
I guess we have 60 seconds to make that happen.
Greg: I have a strange question on play 4, that is related. Team B calls a timeout, Team A comes out of the timeout with only 4 players and the 5th player is by the bench tying his shoe (same 5 players in the game as before the timeout). 5th player finishes tying his shoe and runs out into the play. A5 gets called for a substitute technical foul. I’m pretty sure the official was right in this scenario.
I always tell my players if you’re shoe isn’t tied when the ball is ready to play to tie their shoe between the 84’x 50’,
Correct me if I’m wrong, Greg, if an official calls a substitute technical on a player who is legally on the floor (after a timeout), even if it’s 6 inches, I would have right to protest the game, due to the official assessing a substitute technical foul on a player legally on the floor.
If the player is on the court, even if 'hidden' in plain sight, they are certainly legal.
I'd need more information about the timing of the run onto the court to offer correct/incorrect.
In any event it would NOT be a Substitute Technical, as the player wasn't a substitute.
This is from September 2021, so I’m sure somebody has addressed it… But since it was a alternate position throw in, if I’m correct you may have neglected to say that the penalty for the technical foul is two shots and the ball- therefore the ensuing throw in, is a result of a technical foul, which would allow white to keep the arrow
Why'd the lead wave off that last 3 pointer? At most, the player had the ball for two seconds.
Just watched a play where a player was incorrectly given a free throw (which he made) after the allowable time frame to correct an error had elapsed. After allowing the unmerited free throw (which was good), isn't there another opportunity to immediately correct that error of letting a player shoot an unmerited foul shot? In other words, this would be a scenerio where there's 2 correctable error situations back- to- back. Shouldn't the officials be able to stop play after the unmerited successful free throw, during the allowable time frame to correct the error, discuss and rule that the unmerited free throw should be disallowed?
Greg, on play #2, if a delay of game warning had already been called, would there have been two technicals called? One more in addition to the reaching through and touching the ball?
Great question Mark!
No there would not be two technicals. NFHS issued a case play that addresses this. Only the player action is penalized in that instance.
Really like and appreciate these videos. I have supported the channel monetarily…but the only word of advice I’d have is speed up pace of the videos and content. These are painfully slow going in my humble opinion. Again, love the content and quality, but shortening them and making them more concise and to the point would be helpful.
Hi Peter! I hear you.
Appreciate the support!
By going to a livestream format (we livestream the recording of the show) has knocked down the barriers to getting videos out. the result is 20 5 Play Fridays in 20 weeks. This is a positive, but it does lead to longer videos.
In an effort to help with that, there are timestamps for all of the plays. This allows you to watch play 1, then immediately play 2, then play 3.
If you want to stick around for analysis of the play, you can make that choice or not. It gives you more control as the viewer about how quickly you can get the value you seek.
Let me know if using that approach helps.
With the play when the Lead official was displaced followed by the Intentional foul which was followed by the technical foul, how were things administered? 2 free throws for the intentional foul followed by 2 free throws for the technical followed by a throw from the Division line? I am a new official learning and this would be helpful. Thank you.
Hi Thomas! Yes. In NFHS rules all penalties for fouls are administered in the order of occurrence.
V interesting scenario on bonus video! Team TF is a right call after the crowd throng into the court. Because the official crews knew jolly well n preempted tt success ball made with holding in 0.3 second is not possible as per the rule. As soon as the ball dramatically got in, official alry blown whistle w hand signal to nullify the score n shouted no count! Under normal circumstances, OT shall be resumed after a minute. Hence the home coach shall bear responsibility for the chaotic situation n interruption gave rise by his followers. Two free throws shall be awarded followed by throw in at divisional line. That’s all!
But could play have been resumed without delay is the question. Fans went back to the stands very quickly.
Read the situation. No way I'm T'ing up the crowd unless there are obvious incidents of fans going after the other team's players. I think managing the situation there and allowing the fans back into the stands is better discretion. Plus the guys didn't know that the T is administered in OT. I don't envy these guys. There's a lot to consider at a highly electric moment in the game.
since you are talking technical fouls at about 19:30-19:42 you mention that the tech can be shot by any eligible player but also maybe a good additional comment would be that the technical is a player technical and team foul but this one is NOT an indirect technical on the coach.
12/29/21. Play #2. Would the player technical for reaching across and contacting the ball on the throw-in also count towards that players total fouls and towards the teams total fouls? Thank you.
NFHS: Player technical fouls count toward the player and ALL technical fouls count towards bonus.
@@BetterOfficials Thanks for the reply
Obviously the call disallowing the goal by try due to having 0.3 seconds is correct. Good mechanics in that case by the crew to quickly rule no good clearly - looks like the C official here was really trying to make that call very clear and avoid what ultimately happened. That being said, we have the benefit of being able to slow the play down here and it looks like in a perfect world 0.7 seconds would have been a better value to put on the clock. However, if this were to happen in any of my association's games, I'd bet it's more likely that it would be put at 1 second (correct or not).
I agree with your analysis Greg on not issuing the team technical. The commentary was placed within the rule book as you cited rather than just the case book for a reason. "Discretion must be used in ruling such fouls" is the key phrase here, and I believe the crew went too far here. Other sources such as Rules by Topic I think also make it clear that we must avoid issuing technical fouls against a crowd outside of extreme circumstances - this was not an extreme circumstance. Was anyone on the court trying to intentionally cause a scene or stop a game clearly in progress? No, they (erroneously) thought the game was over. I feel the crew in this case inserted themselves too much into the game. In a nutshell, just because we CAN issue a T here doesn't necessarily mean we SHOULD.
You said "Obviously the call disallowing the goal by try due to having 0.3 seconds is correct". I watched the video and read your comment but I'm still not sure why disallowing the 0.3 second effort was the right call. Is the problem that the remaining time was 0.3 seconds? I thought that the game progressed to 0.3 seconds which is why that time was still on the clock. Is the issue that the clock time is different than the ref crew's time? Thanks for explaining
Bonus Play: The lead official’s fist was up at 0.6 for the record
If you have a flagrant foul on white then a technical foul on red
After the shots who gets the throw in... Does it go to possession arrow
Hi Ken! Using NFHS rules we administer in the order of occurrence. The red player who was fouled would receive the free throws and then white any player or eligible substitute would attempt to free throws and we would resume play with a white division line throw in opposite the table.
At 46:45, you said “to begin the 4th period,” but I think you meant to say “to begin overtime,” correct??
Me, misspeak? LOL. It what I do best!
I would not have called a Tech. Foul in the bonus video... Yeah the students ran onto the court after the shot, but they were excited about the incredible basket made and thought they had won... Game management got the students back into stands without delay.. No harm, no foul...(pun intended).. Put 4:00 on the clock and settle it in OT...
Should that tech have ended the game? Why did overtime happen if a technical was called at the end of the game?
@@MonarchEAS No, because by rule 5-6-2 the 4th quarter ended with the attempted catch and shoot. The overtime period therefore began when the first technical foul free throw was administered, as that was the first live ball in the period. At that point, overtime has begun and it must be continued.
Are we sure the technical wasn't because the entire team left the bench in celebration and entered the court? I think that is much more likely the crowd
for the 6 player technical, I've been in that situation before and have informed the coach or one of the players before I hand the ball off that they have 6 players on the court. Wouldn't that be a better way to handle instead of keeping silent and putting the ball in play then hitting them with the T?
If we can prevent, absolutely prevent!
Same thing here myself Dave but there have been times that one comes in and the person being substituted forgets to come out though!
Bonus Play: It cannot be stated enough: all officials, but especially the non-calling officials, have to be aware of the time on the clock on every whistle, especially near the end of any period.. (And, yes, I still forget to check from time to time.) #ReplayCrew
It appears that the calling official puts his hand up using the "stop clock" signal with just about 1:0 to go but his whistle doesn't sound until the clock shows 0:0 (if audio & video are synched; which they seem to be). Good to see they put time back on the clock.
The video is continuous. At 73 seconds elapsed time following the disallowed goal, the camera cuts back to the crew inviting the head coaches to a conference. As there was no appreciable delay under 2-8-1 that interfered with the proper conduct of the game, the ruling of a team technical foul on the home team was not appropriate (just as Greg pointed out). #ReplayCrew
On a player substitute technical foul, to whom is the technical assessed?
The individual. Nothing on coach.
For play 5, this is what I have for penalties:
Red 30, flagrant foul, automatically ejected to the bench, 2 FTs awarded to White player that was fouled.
Red 33, technical foul for taunting, 2 FTs to any White player.
Red 33, technical foul for baiting, ejected to the bench for the 2 technicals, 2 FTs to any White player.
Red Asst Coach, indirect bench technical foul, 2FTs to any White player.
Red Head Coach must remain seated and cannot use the coaching box.
4 team fouls assessed to Red.
8 total FTs awarded to White plus the Division Line throw-in.
Is that everything?
For the substitute technical, it looks like the coach was yelling at his player to sub into the game. Is this still a substitute technical?
Yes. Yes it is.
Yes, sub wasn't beckoned in by officials.
So you have 4 players “on the floor” and the 5th player is tying his shoe after a timeout, after he finishes tying his shoe he runs back into the play. No substitutions occurred after the timeout. Same five players as before. Substitute technical foul?? Or no.
Bonus clip: are saying you would NOT give a T for the crowd rushing the floor?
Correct. I would not.
That first technical was on the officials. A three man crew and not one of them counts 5 in white and 5 in black before the ball is inbounded to start a period. Hopefully they weren't being evaluated that night.
Play 3 and 4 looks like the same gray haired ref in both.