Ford E350 | Speedometer Diagnosis Frustration
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- Опубликовано: 20 июн 2020
- The 1995 Ford E350 is still in the shop. The speedometer needle bounces around over 45mph, the AC is leaking, and a few other minor issues. It seems like a simple diagnosis, but nothing is ever simple...
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Wes I was wondering your thoughts about a Massey Ferguson 65 4 cyl gas if they a solid tractor or not. Really enjoy your videos keep up the good work. Thanks from fielding new Brunswick Canada.
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👍👌👏 Pretty impressive! Congrats!
I’m a old commercial HVAC mechanic twenty seven years in my trade and I can recognize a skilled mechanic. You sir are highly skilled, how you can go from issue to issue flawlessly is incredible.
I can’t believe how some idiots troll you. Thanks for a another great video I look forward to them.
Agreed, sir, from an old HVAC mechanic of over forty plus, on the sheet metal heavy commercial end of the trade. He's very skilled, and better, he's a natural, but he's still a pup, and lets things under his skin. So he still tries to bull his way through occasionally, instead of easing away, until his rational, and logical brain returns to the controls.
Yes, sir he's dam fine mechanic, and even better in the control wiring side of things I'm thinking, as it challenges his mind, and he enjoys that part of it.
@@timothymilam732 I'm guilty as charged.. But I ain't no pup. but if I STOP, and say, calm down.. and go thru things sloowwwly, I can get a tough job done, no cursing, and muscle thru it just fine. In the end Wes went right to the heart of the matter, so that's cool.
Sir, how do I say this? I deeply respect and admire you Sir , that YOU are comfortable with the technology! And sadly, the human race is easily tempted to believe that they are superior to others who do not understand! Sir? Can you fly a 747? probably not! that does not take away from your value as a mechanic!
in YOUR FIELD! So the OEMs use human arrogance against us all! They are not
helping men of lesser skills handle the equipment! And probably men such as yourself do not believe, that anyone without your understanding , should touch the stuff!?? eh? But life Sir , is not like that! and slowly, the stuff is so complicated and finicky in the real world.......it is becoming more and more of a problem! that is all I am pointing out! kennethzakaib607@gmail.com
I agree with Kenny 100%. I'm also a 24+ year tech who has worked on a huge variety of cars, trucks, boats, and equipment. I've been at indie shops, dealers, specialty outfits, and finally went into business strictly for myself. That being said, it's very clear to see, and give credit to a fellow tech who is good at what he does, and does it right. Wes is the F'N man!!! He's the type of dude I could really hang out with. My 'take away' from the people who try to troll and act like they're something special are just starving for attention and looking for some sorta credibility/ notoriety. Probably a good amount of jealousy and a dash of ignorance thrown in there as well. Keyboard warriors are all over on the interwebz. F 'EM is what I say. Keep the stupid comments to yourself and don't even watch the video in the first place if you "know everything," or are just commenting to 'look cool." This is a VALUABLE thing that he is doing by trying to help/ teach someone who is looking to get into repairing their own stuff. Not only does it help people save lots of money, but it can build a persons confidence enough to tackle the work themselves. Hell, and the videos are entertaining. I personally watch them for the commentary and I think some of the stuff is pretty damn hilarious.
Keep doin what you're doing Wes,
and keep it real bro!
👍😎
Wes when I was young like you I too missed a lot of clues, the Wife said she was dressing up for the people, no Wes she dressed up for you, that's why she just happened to visit you while you where working, to get you too notice. Too wise to late for me. Appreciate your Wife while you still can, things change in a heartbeat.
Your the last repair channel I watch.
Your good, stay humble.
Yep 👍
Sometimes you just don't miss something until it's gone. Take it from me whose just gone through a divorce for just that reason.
I agree, but I don't think Wes was videoing the dog. I think he wanted to get his wife's legs on camera ; - )
I always say she doesn't need me to appreciate her. She appreciates herself enough for both of us!
@@WatchWesWork - Might be due for a night on the town, take her out dancing. Don't ignore the Preventive Maintenance...
Much respect. You have developed some impressive skills. Two thumbs up there Wes.
Thanks!
I'm always impressed the methodology he uses, he just helps us out when working on our own stuff.... live show!
I know this is an older video so I'm not sure that you will see this comment. I just wanted to say how incredibly inspiring that you are. You always seem to be able to find humor in any given situation regardless of all those around you have lost theirs. It must be frustrating to continually work on vehicles like they are a patchwork quilt. Customers who want you to pass your "magic wand" over whatever piece of insanity that they've brought to you, return it to them in perfect condition while charging them for the price of a tire repair regardless of time and effort expended on your part. Kudos to you.
Thanks Wes. Coffee with WWW is a good way to start the day.
Enjoy!
HI Wes, Bob in the UK here, I am working my way through all your vids, Mate you are amazing, your knowledge for your age is unbelievable and where most would suck air through their teeth and say it aint worth doing mate, you go out of your way to help people, I wish you were near me :-)
Another great Sunday with Wes and Mustie1 both dropping content today. I’ve e got nothing done today, but learned a lot. Thanks Wes for taking the time to share these videos.
If it was my truck I would thank you doing all you could on a old truck Wes.
For a tooth wheel operating off a reluctor, the strength of the signal is determined by the sharpness of the tooth edges. So, in order to get a strong signal, you need abrupt changes in tooth height. With the teeth rusted like they were. It turned them into rounded nubs. I think that you saw a decent signal on your scope because you were spinning it by hand but once those teeth had some real velocity along with the load of the amplifier circuit that the reluctor was driving. Those things combined might have resulted in a weak signal as well as a signal with leading edges (assuming a leading edge trigger) that were rounded so the circuit (assuming a zener) was not sensitive enough to actually catch the leading edge reliably. So the result was a signal that would have a time value between true triggers on the gate of the amplifiers that was all over the place. Just a thought but one that makes a lot of sense.
Wes, I just got to watch this video and it was a rough one. I must say this is one of the better ones. Not all can go well and you see it. Keep up the great videos. Love the personal touches.
Your videos are awesome. Hit or miss, you publish. Awesome!
Another home run brother. Had no idea how these systems actually work. Thanks for your time!
Happy Father's Day Wes! Always enjoy your videos. You really do great work in trying to figure out obscure difficult problems. I wish all mechanics would take the challenge as seriously as you do.
Happy Father's Day Wess. And thank you again for the great content I look forward to watching your videos very informative been learning from you thank you again.
Master mechanic. I am impressed with your ability to tackle any issue you face.👍👍👍
That has been a real head scratchier bro, I take my hat off to you for sticking with it. Stay safe
i have high regards for your channel wes , you never give up as long as you have an idea and thats pretty rare these days so thumbs up
Very helpful. I learned a lot. I appreciate you sharing your time and expertise with us.
I enjoy videos where you troubleshoot. It gives me an idea of what things look like when they go wrong and it lets me know that even the pros have a hard time sometimes. Looking forward to the next video.
Happy Fathers Day, Wes.
Some times you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug.
Great series on diagnosis. I could not see anything you missed, and you caught things I would have not looked at.
Thanks for sharing.
Your videos are never boringLearn something every time!
Great video, love the diagnostics as always. Happy Father's day. As a dad that has grown kids, cherish the days that you have when your kids are around and they want to be with you and they want to be like you. They disappear soooo fast! Not saying you don't....just me being retrospective and missing what you have.
I really enjoy your ability to explain the complex systems and how you diagnose them. You are a rare talent!
I agree with EV in explaining your fix and repair processes, bravo !
It ain't ur fault Wes. You try to fix every vehicle that comes in your garage. You are still the man... 💯💯💯👍👍👍💪💪💪🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Back from my ride on my bike and I watched Wes work .
It's a lot of this and a lot of that and it's a good vid . You are doing a great job on fixing it . 🤔 or rehabbing it . The next vid should be just as good . Again happy father's day Wes.🍺
Great work as usual Wes. A good mechanic can make lemonade out of any lemons - that truck should have come with a squeezer. Multiple issues well tackled with excellent info for learning as well.
I don’t know how I found this channel but glad I did! As a shade tree mechanic I enjoy watching other people wrench and picking up ways to do things!!
I would have been happy with the little flicker left but the extra effort is commendable. When stuff is left for a long time always takes effort to get it going again. Keep up the great videos, love the family element very much like my family and the wife coming down my workshop
I always learn a lot from your channel and real life problem, yes I get lots of 3-4 step problems.
Wes, happy father's day! Awesome work! Also enjoy that you include the family. I'll vote for another live stream too! I am envious of that Pico. I'll pick one up one day. Thanks for sharing!
I've wanted one for years. I think I waited too long.
We were taught to troubleshoot systems from the center out and repair or replace the components that were found to be bad one at a time. Your ability to diagnose issues is great.
Another great clip, so much more organized than you seem to think it is. I ain't no mechanic, but I followed you every (logical) move. Thanks, too, for the hound, man child, and lovey spouse interludes; they break up the minutia of the repairs very nicely. Really like that you include a little bit of your home life; makes it real. Can't wait for the next installment! Rock on, dude.
Cool, thanks!
Block off kits are AWESOME. I suffered through 3 summers with no AC in our '07 Jeep Commander because the long lines for the rear AC leaked and I was baffled by the whole ordeal. After some research and some transfer of troubleshooting skills from one discipline to another, I dove in and fixed that critter!
Ford "hello, how may we help you?" 'ya hi, my speedometer fluid is leaking.' i mean, that conversation must have happened somewhere at some point.
great video. i almost bought an identical E350 cab/chassis that had an ambulance body removed at a farm auction a few years ago. i notice it is in the scrapyard already. someone must have discovered similar problems. it's amazing you much i learn from youtube. keep wrenching Wes.
Happy fathers day. You are very good mechanic and enjoy watch and learning from you
Great video Wes, but dude... the effort for the speedometer... the perseverance, respect!
Happy Father's Day Wes. Thanks for the videos and your efforts. -Warren
From de soldering EPROMs to beating on rusty old plow trucks, I have to say you definitely have a diverse set of skills. Really enjoyed. Thanks for sharing
Thanks 👍
Hey wait a minute that school on your wife's shirt is a mile south of me. Watched your old shop tour, immediately recognized the location. Don't blame you at all for moving!
I have that same tire tool. Mine was from a tool truck. Never knew you could use it to remove the caps on inner wheels! Thanks Wes!
you are NOT stupid - you're one of the most intelligent and skillful mechanics i've ever seen. since when have mechanics needed to be psychic to diagnose something like this?
I know well the deal with one problem after another on certain projects. You do better at handling these things than just about anyone I have seen. You are a rare technician.
Well I guess I have mellowed in my old age.
I love your channel. I work in maintenance and most of the things I use come from your channel.
It looks like someone has bodged every problem that unit has ever had.
There was a bodge too far and you stepped up to debodge the beast.
Thanks for sharing 👍
A challenge like this is stressful, you think you got the problem solved only to find it's not fixed yet. ( and it's not a rodent issue) but when you have aced it, you realise how much you learned along the way 👍
Great family Wes, your such a lucky guy.
Man I'm glad I found this video, I'm going to fix mine. I was about to convert back to a cable and early center module. Thanks for sharing.
First Happy Fathers Day! Clever fix to swap the E-Prom with the Odometer info. I always enjoy your debugging processes myself. Oh yeah..thumbs up from me for a Mr. nd Mrs. Wes live show.
It’s the truck that keeps on giving! Keep it at Wes, sure you’ll get there! All the best from the UK.
That should read “keep at it Wes!” Love the channel.
Great videos Wes, I always learn a bunch from you . Keep up the good work !
We enjoyed your last live video. Your wife's right it'll be fun, it'll go for on for an hour, without a break, Yahoo! All the best from Canada
Great video. Another live session would be great. Have a Happy Father's Day.
I really enjoy watching your videos,you are quite chilled in your presentation it helps to relax me after a days work .Hasn’t anyone in your area heard of Waxoyl, Dinatrol or equivalent it seems such a shame not to give those cars and vans a power wash and a coat of anti rust once every couple of years ,they would last so much longer and I reckon they would be a lot easier to work on .
Hi Wes. Even with all the work,I still think it beats buying a new problem ford. And it has helped put food on the table so to speak. Great trouble shooting and I think you will like the new scope. Happy Dads day. Liked,shared. All my best.
Happy Fathers Day, Wes! You've done a great job during diagnosis. It's a shame, but you're working with an abused vehicle. God bless.
Very good content, this was one of the most interesting ones I've watched so far, you had me glued to the screen. I even went out and got some of the tools that you showed. That mini Weller heat gun is awesome, used it on my model railroad too.
I know. It's terrible. I watch a lot of other mechanics on RUclips, and the tool wish list is long!
Wes...Happy Father's Day...hopefully the new scope will show the frequency difference. Always like your troubleshooting videos...especially the Wes schematic drawings. Looking forward to the next video.
Great video Wes, the new Pico sure brought a smile to your face. Really looking forward to seeing that Pico in some upcoming videos. Regarding the diag process, I think you did a thorough and defensible job. Finding the partially corroded tone ring, after an initial inspection looked OK, the failure probability is very low but as Kieth Fenner would say you got a "bouquet of bullshit". Happy fathers day and bring on the live stream.
Great video as always. The content is great and hope yall have a great father's day
That truck is living up to the Ford name - Fix or Repair Daily. I should know, I have a Ford too. Really like the channel and your knowledge.
Well hope you can record the repair the rear end repair that should be interesting. Mrs Wes cleans up good. Thanks for the info on the heat gun now I need another tool LOL.
I know this is an old video but I wanted to share my thoughts. I agree with your speculation that it was 2 parallel problems. My guess is that the PSOM module went bad first. You mentioned that it sat for quite a while. I have picked up Ford junkyard axles that sat for a long time and the top half of everything was rusted because it wasn't submerged in oil, and moisture got in through the vent tube, either by raining on it, dripping on it, or just what's in the air.. I'm not sure if just moisture in the air would cause pitting that bad, I lean away from that one.
Anyway, thanks for all the weekly videos. You're my favorite channel, always enjoy watching you diagnose and repair problems. You've definitely added to my toolset.
My '97 F350 had the same bouncing speedometer issue. I bought a new sensor and when I pulled out the old one it had metal shavings hanging off it. I pulled the cover off and there were chunks inside. I ended up getting another axle from a junk yard that fixed the speedometer. Thanks for the videos!
Wes...You are too hard on yourself...You are 100% awesome! You are the first mechanic I've seen that I would trust.
The pretty lady is right...Another live feed would be great!
RUN DON’T WALK. AWAY, take your profit and take Momma for a nice dinner. I’ve tried to make these types of projects work for years and that square peg never fits in the round hole properly. My dad always said don’t cuss it get a bigger hammer. That philosophy caused me many hours of regret. LOL I sure enjoy your channel especially your sense of humor. I live in Villa Grove, Illinois. 20 miles south of Champaign/Urbana. Rust central.
Thanks Wes for getting the family in😊👍 your son growing like a weed😊👍Great videos. It is laid out were amateur's like myself can learn.
Thanks 👍
The joys of multilayer fault finding Wes, been there done that.
Constantly finding problems but still not finding THE problem.
When everything's wrong? All you can do is start from the beginning and keep plugging through until you get there.
Takes a lot of skill, determination and at times bloody mindedness 😂
You've defiantly got the first two traits, only you know if you've got the third 😂.
Great video as always man.
Loving the videos Wes. Love your humour too! God bless.
Wes I had the same problem a few years back and like you we had replaced just about everything as you did, I got talking to a old Ford mechanic and he aske if we had checked the wiring loom farther up the loom. we went back and started checking to wires and sure enough the coating had got hard and had broke letting water and such in and was a corroded mess. replaced that section of wire and sure enough that took care of the problem. I hope this helps Happy Fathers Day
You are one hell of a good mechanic
Great video Wes. I think you jumping on it with the O-Scope took you from issue to issue in a logical way. Man you are gonna love the Pico Scope. Great data storage and you can build "Math Channels" with it. Great show of grit sticking with it and figuring it out. Ambulance-Truck will never be new again.
I really hope the Pico is as good as it looks.
Great video Wes. Happy Father’s Day!
As a married man I feel your pain Wes. A pretty wife, a young energetic son and an inquisitive good 'ol boi doggo.... well 'shoot son. Who wouldn't be distracted. Your in the "zone", you got your 'thinkin' cap on and problems to solve. I'm sure she was miffed but your trade is your ability to feed your family. Work hard but don't forget to give them all the love and time they need on days off. I always found that pestering my wife on the weekend meant she couldn't wait for Monday to roll around again. Keep up the phenomenal work! Much respect from Canada.
I enjoy your vids. I hope this helps. A friend of mine works at BBA Reman. 300 Myles Standish Blvd. Taunton Ma. They fix instrument panels clusters. He said usually a one day turn around. Keep up the great work.
I'm assuming after the computer went bad twice, the neglect of it sitting resulted in a cascade of failure. Your hard work isn't going unnoticed bud. We see the sweat and skills in action. Keep rockin bro!
Sometimes life just wants to give us a kick in the butt. No matter what we just have to keep moving. Keep up the great work wes and stay positive.
dont ever apologise m8 your vids are the best out there along with your explanations double thumbs up m8
Well done Wes. Great job in explaining and keeping your frustrations under complete control. Yes do another live chat so we can jump in with some super CHAT tips in the jar to help you pay for the scope. Interesting enough The jet engine I’m a specialist on also uses A very similar method of N1-Fan and N2 Spool pick-Up Seed pick up sensors. The Maintenance manual has a shim pack so we can increase or decrease accordingly. Pretty cool you did well in explaining.
Wow. That's cool. Do you use a scope to check the sensor or is it just a matter of setting the air gap to a spec and it will be right?
@@WatchWesWork sending you an email with the Learjet engine manual screen prints we worked off in the field as Jet Engine field service mechanics
Great video! You fixed the wild swinging of the speed gauge and then you forget how bad the swing was.
You sir have an incredible expanse of skills!
This will be the 3rd video where when I'm done watching wes, I go straight to Amazon and buy tools. Thanks for the videos Wes & Family.
LOL. I do the same thing with videos I watch!
In my opinion I personally think you did a good job. You just kept running into more problems. Can not wait until your next video.
Excellent effort, that customer hopefully appreciated your time in on the repair.
I had the same problem but I had the Speed gear Missing some teeth it works but jumping around I did not know you can do all those things to adjust thanks for showing me that Wes you are a wizard
Something you might try from back in my 94-97 psd days was try to add a lil more buffer/dampening fluid to the speedo with a hypodermic needle. seems like to the best of my memory the signal was taken after the Speedo needle itself & that’s where a lot of the shake would come from to the comp. I recall a forum called the diesel stop.com had a awesome forum with lots of really good guys that had fought every battle these old fords could throw at ya & had solved pretty much of all of them thru the years. Best of luck and awesome channel!!
I get home after a long day going here and going there and click on the RUclips channel and you’re there Wes thank God for you to give me some light entertainment
Glad you see it that way!
Brilliant......cant wait for the live show!
You start at one end and go to the other looking for faults or bad wiring. I think you did an amazing diagnostic and repair look see. life is just like that sometimes Wes.
Happy Father’s Day.
Sometimes the wife is right. Ship it. She wants it gone.
Ha ha.
It is satisfying when one can pinpoint a diagnosis with a scope, but sometimes the scope doesn't show everything you need to see. On the last VR speed sensor I did there was another 4X4 axle sensor nearby so I was able to swap identical sensors and prove the diagnosis first, but that's not often possible. In most, both the amplitude and frequency increase with higher velocity. For a pro like yourself one has to consider the extra time involved, so I can understand getting new parts and moving on. Love WWW videos, thanks for the effort to keep them coming.
I'm really wondering if the higher resolution scope will show us the problem.
You are a great teacher Wes. Have an apple.
I don't think that even the most knowledgeable armchair expert would suspect a rusty tone ring inside a differential !
The ABS and traction control on my 02 Volvo V70 kept going haywire. The left front tone ring was the cause, rust jacking had cracked it, ok up to about 45mph then a lot of warning lights on the dash. This is a good channel.
I surely did not expect it!
I bought one of those Weller heat guns with all the nozzles off eBay and your right it kicks butt. Cheers.
Going up against Mustie1 on a Sunday morning? Made my day!Good thing it’s the 21st century and we can choose our programming when we want it. Happy Fathers Day!
I don't think Mustie is worried...
Wes I think there will not be many mechanics that would spend so much time and effort in the UK as you have on this truck if the laptop did not solve the problem then i can here the word scrap it sir, sorry if i have offended any uk guys like you, at least you put 100% into your work , Enjoyed every minute Wes cheers .
That's the dealerships are here. If it's not under warranty, they are not interested.
Hey Wes you're doing real good work man I enjoy all your videos and Happy Father's Day
Thanks! You too!
Hi Wes, a couple ideas, just grist for the mill. 1) If you have a signal generator and can feed a clean sine wave of varying frequency and the right amplitude(s) to the speedo, you might be able to isolate the problem to either the speedo (if it still bounces) or the signal source (if it likes the clean source). You could also narrow down an amplitude range by varying lower until the needle jumps around or quits altogether. 2) It occurred to me it might be interesting to put a dial indicator on the gear teeth and see what the height range looked like. Then maybe setting the gap to the low end of that TSB range on the high teeth. Also might point up a concentricity problem or something. 3) You might want a shielded (coax) cable connected very close to the sensor while you're taking a measurement. Twisted pair might do the job fine though. In any case, that's a pretty long conductor acting as an antenna that can be picking up interference and the wires are a potential source of problem too, although I expect they are not shielded as they come from the factory. Anyway, it shows me your good character to be bothered by this not being quite right. But might want to check with the customer to see what good-enough is in this case :)
Very good suggestions/thoughts. I didn't see a response from Wes. Was wondering what his reaction was to your ideas?
Wes, in my 15 years as a Ford tech, I've never seen a tone ring like that. I've seen teeth bashed in from debris hitting it from a blown up diff and people dropping the carrier on the ground, but never rusty. You just dont know until you tear down to inspect. Good find dude!
I've never seen this either. I mean of course you see tone rings outside the axle that are rusted to death, but they are rusty all the way around.
Yet another great video Wes! :) Not much you can do when everything is bad.
Right. Nowhere to stop.
Ah. multiple problems (especially when some are intermittent) Can be a real PITA.. I work on large packaging equipment, and cars from the west coast, so i don't see all the fun with the rust and corrosion, but when there is multiple problems, it can make you loose your hair fast.. what even more fun, when you are following someone else on the problem.. some times i can fix something in min, but he same problem someone else touched, could be all day.
I really appreciate your vids. Thanks Oh and happy fathers day.