people think the bulk of oni skill comes from movestacking, yet they forget that top onis know how to every other move in the game. people really sleeping on dstep thinking it's "just for spamming"
im a ronin main and ronin doesn't require much skill to like play, every move has little to no endlag so all you do is spam until you hit them then land a combo
not really you have to get pass their mana shield ronin is simple to play but it takes skill do to well with it you also have to learn movestacking with it and the other tricks for it to be good, i say that as a ronin main
@@meraldwaves bro ronnin doesnt really consist of any movestacking unless its blade flash and counter its a pretty easy class only real ronnin tech is combo extending with tripple slash but other then that the class is easy and u dont have to worry about breaking mana shield since u can just combo after counter ronnin is pretty easy
@@kyzer17 the class destroys anyone without mana shield though and smart abysses can bypass mana shield. Bad class but genuinely has a high skill ceiling. It doesnt have any crutches. Its sword has a ginormous sweeping hitbox, and thats it. Its m1s dont teleport to your character, it doesnt have true combos that do 300 damage, it doesnt have spells that lock you in place for full combos, etc. Very little skill required to play but just like any other class skillful abysses can clap cheeks
Although faceless combos aren't *too* hard, the fact that they don't have much hp makes it hard to play. You can't just run in and hit the combo like you can with tanky classes.
The only reason why fucking ronin is even considered op is because of flowing which is SO FUCKING PREDICTABLE BECAUSE OF THE SHORT CD, if you fuck up your combo as a ronin your enemy should be smart enough to predict you’re going to flowing, if they dont theyre bad, dnc
I had a time where I was a freshie being chased by an evamp ff dslayer at sentinel and it took mans a whole 5+ mins to finally kill me, couldn't hit a single combo on a FRESHIE, he couldn't even feed on me afterward cuz all my hunger drained from how long it took him to kill me
i think the most skillful class is a philo/lannis illusionist with all godspells and shrieker summoning. i really think using shrieker summoning then casting hystericus takes a lot of skill tbh
aint no way agamastu just said ronnin takes skill when the only thing u have to do is land 1 singular counter and have the ablility to 100 to 0 someone quite easily
@@C5ndle i know how to counter the class telorum and armis lol? just cuz i said its easy to one combo someone doesnt mean i dont know how to fight them i know how to fight every class in gaia
you can argue that cadence just spams spells but if your not doing that and your just trying to survive using songs, its a skill requiring class due to you needing to practice on either osu or in a private server/real game + there arent any "bard" combos + it is SOMETIMES difficult to play while under pressure EX: 2v1+
Can you do a video talking about undead is mod abuse? Is a fact i have a clip of undeads flooding me + a clip of undead army of bug Abuser wok flooding my server Also wipped one just to see him again atacking my friend...
Imo all the ultra classes in rogue dont take too much skill, ashiin oni is always there for the op ragdoll combos, and ronin does take skill but its relatively easy to learn. In gaia, its more about gamesense and playstyle when it comes to skill. Although khei is broken as shit and every class can one combo, i feel like its much more skill based just bc classes dont have a simple counter (you cant just hold f against an uber) and the combos are more precise/complicated.
rogue doesn't take skill? no way I thought it was really skillful to gank a lone ultra with your whole house. better yet, have everyone spam snarv and 2 illus so you're sure they aren't getting away.
Tier List of skill required ( Average between skill-floor and skill-ceiling ) S - Tier: ( High-Skill ceiling, Ok Skill Floor ) Shinobi, Faceless, DSage ( if your not Rigan ), Oni A-Tier: ( kinda hard to play, not too bad ) Druid, Spy, Sigil Knight, Bard B-Tier: ( these classes take skill but you can still win without it ) Blacksmith, Necromancer C-Tier: ( they all use the same extremely easy combo , just on the border of braindead) Deep Knight, DSlayer, Illusionist Abysswalker-tier: Yes.
@@saamzzzc Druid is pretty hard to consistently hit the spell combos with veridien in time before your opponent can quick charge mana shield, unless you have a philo stone it’s harder than most other classes
I feel as if dsage does not take more skill than oni but I think that it is even because oni combos are easy once you get use to it but with dsage you can do so many mix ups unlike oni you just do the same 100-0 combo. Once you get use to oni you just do the same combo that just kills. Also mana management with dsage unless you are a rigan, but most are gaians.
But the difference is that combos on oni is hard to land and practically anyone can escape a oni while on the otherhand dsage has way better mobility and is more versatile. So personally I dont think dsage is as skillful as oni. (big tip on fighting oni’s, if they get near just dash and they basically cannot combo you)
In my opinion, being a GOOD faceless without macros takes a load of skill. You can really tell apart macro-ers/bad players and actually skilled players who do everything on their own, use the dashes perfectly and actually know how to use the class. The hardest classes to master are definitely Faceless and Oni
@@cluix6260 i dont think u understand how thats the least reliable combo and the most predictable legit as soon as shadow fan is blocked the entire combo is ruined
As a former ronin player, it doesnt take as much skill as you think. You can do 60 damage with a simple 3 m1s and triple strike, and if you flowing countered into that combo its probably a full 80 damage, and thats only 2 normal samurai moves
basically faceless but with 10x longer combos, faceless is more of a guy that runs up to you, stabs in the heart and runs away without any explanation, which really isnt what ronin does
@@Sonkuuuna Ronin is more of a class that applies constant pressure while faceless does insane burst damage in few seconds, play style wise they're different, stats wise, probably same.
I play ronin and oni for a fairly high amount of time and I must say: Oni definitely is one of the classes that needs more skill than the others, although not a lot, its mostly just fight experience and knowing the combos and timing, like when to demon step to and stuff like that. For ronin, it really isn't that hard, the only thing that might make ronin a bit hard to play is the fact that mana shield counters it, but about having to miss the triple hit on triple slash, it really isn't that hard, just train for like an hour on a ps and you should be good to go, the ronins you found either have no idea they have to miss to combo, they don't know timing that well, or they're just not really good at ronin. For people saying that mages completely shut it down, not really, ignis and gelidus is which something common to be used in combos can be completely shut down by simply countering and starting your combo, easy to punish and lands heavy, and I mean it does land heavy, I know some ronin players that can use swallow reversal as a combo extender by rotating around the enemy, which is kind of hard to pull off, other than that you can stunlock the enemy for a long amount of time while keeping the combo deadly. TLDR: It isn't that hard to miss the third hit on triple slash for ronin, mages don't counter it that much, mana shield only problem. Oni takes some skill but its mostly just fighting experience and timing. I do kinda think oni is the most skilled class, but not by a lot, just a little bit more skill based than other classes Edit: my god I went a bit overboard on ronin, sorry about that lol
@@itsoracle I don’t know how I had the time to get tomeless but not evamp on it. It would have been such a goated build. At the end of the day I wiped giving my ck friend a grip since I got bored of deepknight, so I kinda passed on the torch in a way.
honestly shinobi imo is one of the harder classes (if you don't macro) i played it one time and i was absolute dogshit, INSANE skill gap, but really, after you learn the triple dagger throw timing midair, shit gets easy as for oni, i played ultra oni for about a week before getting Uber, and once you learn your demon flip movestacks and how they work, once again, it gets insanely easy.
most classes are easy to learn except of shinobi and oni since they have some little quirks. shinobi is hard to learn but easy to master since it's basically the same situation everytime, while oni is seemingly hard to learn and hard to master because you must learn how to make the best out of your s. spamming them won't get you anywhere. any oni can movestack, not all onis can fully globus and get a combo on an illus for example.
@@bear1271 the problem with bad sigil players is that they are super predictable. Even then there isn’t a single move besides hyper body that is punishable. If I fight one as an oni I have to abuse my s so much lol. Especially with demon flip M1.
agamatsu, describe "skill" your describing it by telling us how much skillfloor the class has. easy answer - ONI (skillfloor-based) other answer - Bard (takes the most skill lol unless u tinytask)
4:05 no, those solan's player are allways trying to find an excuse to why solan's sword is balanced, sigil knight has been the easiest class i ever played other than abyss walker and i had wooden sword and classic sword combo lmao
1. only demon flip m2 and axe kick guard break rest you can block 2. you can basically just run away everytime they try to start a combo 3. the most used (demon step) is easily countered by bane (and more than 50% of gaia is just shinobi and faceless) and using demon flip m1 escapes like almost everything but then demon flip would be on cd
*without tomeless wraith with tomeless can go die in a fire, it's not a good class but it's such a dishonor to the skill required to do wraith combos without tomeless. playing wraith without tomeless is like spy without it, it's peak skill (because you're always the underdog)
@@pantommy unfathomably based. Tomeless wraith knights are the worst players in Rogue lineage. Can’t believe abyss walker slander still exists, because existing without tomeless in gaia is HARD. Abyss walker takes more skill than most classes with tomeless. Tomeless ruined rogue.
@@smtandearthboundsuck8400 well, tomeless was supposed to be this lesser dev spec that was available to anyone who could sacrifice 8 races, specially the rare ones... Back when the game was closed community, this was hard, but since rogue went public many of the game's design choices went to shit. By comparison, Deepwoken already has this in mind, which makes it a lot more well thought out than rogue (but it's still, nonetheless, boring as hell). It's safe to say that rogue's balance is as bad as it gets, which in turn fueled the power tripping ganker kiddie's desire to have the most "broken" build. No thanks, I'll stick to my no helmet haseldan oni, abusing the hell out of well timed s and punishing idiot Illusionists that seemingly can't do anything other than spam Dominus and Snap Nocere. I like to play my class and use its strengths rather than rely on some hand signs.
Oni is not that skill based if u look at it ive only seen onis do same combos if they're a ashiin they add in a shoulder throw for nasty damage but i do gotta say onis do deserve some respect as is pretty hard to land them
@@itsoracle Tomeless on most classes reduces the skill requirement by 3/4. Abyss is harder to play than the shitty ignis-gelidus spammers. Keep malding, « abyss no skill » is a super dead meme lol. You can argue for the dagger classes and Deep. But Abyss is objectively more skilled than trash players like Solans, ff dslayer and tomeless Wraith.
No way he said oni takes skill I've never played oni until yesterday on my friends acc and all I had to do was geli into demon flip then rising dragon and they were dead :skull:
In terms of difficulty to learn (and I’m going to assume no macro’s in this list) Oni, Faceless and deep knight would be the harder ones to learn, ashiin ronin is not mentioned since shoulder throw is a racial skill and ronin takes less skill than those three (at least, in my opinion) and you could argue a spot for sigil but I simply think that thunder charge is too free and learning how to do charged blows on your last m1’s takes significantly less time to learn in comparison to a full fledged deep knight, Faceless or Oni combo. I’d say below the aforementioned three it would have to be ronin and sigil. I believe ronin takes significantly less skill than sigil as there just isn’t as much tech for ronin as there is for sigil, next up would be wraith knight/shinobi, dragon slayer and dragon sage specifically in that order. I believe wraith knight and shinobi take the same amount of skill to use effectively and that dragon slayer has movestacking m1 tech but simply remains below the two due to the ease of it landing a combo, while dragon sage is below it simply because it consists of a very limited move set with a lack of actual combo potential unlike everything mentioned before it. Next I’d group the mages in just one group, I cant put them into order simply because they all have really good abilities and since its just charging mana and clicking when its right. I guess arguing the timing can sometimes be hard is overshadowed by the majority of the mages who gank having philo stones meaning they all end up not needing proper timing as they just straight up dont need it anymore. Lastly I have abyss walker at the bottom since its just m1, m2, wrathful and nothing more. I didnt include hybrids because theres too many to mention but if I had to say, ck necro is above dragon sage, ck dk is below ck necro, dk necro is below mages, dk chef is above dragon slayer and ck chef is above dk chef. I also didnt include ultra bard as it simply is and purely is support and nothing more. A combat bard does nothing but use spells and I cant consider that using its class, I forgot to mention lapadarist and whisperer but I’d say lapadarist is below dragon slayer and whisperer is below ck dk. I didnt fully factor in tomeless because it itself is not a class and matchups because that is not what this list is for. All in all, it always just comes down to your game sense to beat an opponent. (Except philo god spell mage anything ur simply getting merc’ed and thats just how it is) Tl;dr Hard - Faceless, Deep Knight, Oni Less hard - Sigil Knight, Ronin Medium - Wraith Knight/Shinobi, Ck Chef, Dk Chef, Dragon Slayer, Lapadarist, Ck Necro, Ck Dk, Whisperer, Dragon Sage Easy - Mages, Ultra Bard, Dk Necro M1 - Abyss Walker Ok that's it now lol
I don’t think it’s that fair to say that mages are brain dead because of philos (don’t get me wrong they’re still kinda brain dead), they are an artifact. That’s like saying spear classes are brain dead cuz of fairfrozen. It’s not a fair comparison, same to dagger classes with macros
oni having skill can cap at a certain level
the rest is just fighting experience
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people think the bulk of oni skill comes from movestacking, yet they forget that top onis know how to every other move in the game. people really sleeping on dstep thinking it's "just for spamming"
@@pantommyfr master oni can dodge everything
Knowing combos doesn't = Skill, knowing what to do with the class outside of the situations where your combos fail, does
warrior base class at andehl level is the most skilled class
yea m1x4 hp pot chug
facts
@@Dark-st2hx you forgot m2 into pommel strike then action surge 5 m1s then hp pot chug
He hasn’t posted for almost 8 months now
A shame really, he was a talented and player and a video editor, his videos were so entertaining to watch.
im a ronin main and ronin doesn't require much skill to like play, every move has little to no endlag so all you do is spam until you hit them then land a combo
not really you have to get pass their mana shield ronin is simple to play but it takes skill do to well with it you also have to learn movestacking with it and the other tricks for it to be good, i say that as a ronin main
@@meraldwaves bro ronnin doesnt really consist of any movestacking unless its blade flash and counter its a pretty easy class only real ronnin tech is combo extending with tripple slash but other then that the class is easy and u dont have to worry about breaking mana shield since u can just combo after counter ronnin is pretty easy
@@imusername1 I movestack everything on my ronin no idea what ur talking about
@@jimbuh7883 Ronin requires 0 skill
@@urie6168 when you die to a ronin and u say its an unskilled class
obviously abysswalker coz theres so many combo's to learn and so many moves u can use😌
still one of the worst classes if not the worst due to having no tomeless and little to no options in battle since you only have like 3 moves
@@kyzer17 it's not really bad after all it's the only class capable of killing an ultra sigil in 2 hits
@@kyzer17 the class destroys anyone without mana shield though and smart abysses can bypass mana shield. Bad class but genuinely has a high skill ceiling. It doesnt have any crutches. Its sword has a ginormous sweeping hitbox, and thats it. Its m1s dont teleport to your character, it doesnt have true combos that do 300 damage, it doesnt have spells that lock you in place for full combos, etc. Very little skill required to play but just like any other class skillful abysses can clap cheeks
Although faceless combos aren't *too* hard, the fact that they don't have much hp makes it hard to play. You can't just run in and hit the combo like you can with tanky classes.
lol no get a macro and you win no problem lol
@@pupo4758 A macro isn't part of the game and doesn't require skill so you shouldn't be counting that.
@@kozuk3721 but everyone does it anyway
@@Reaconteur And people hack too. Does that mean that they have skill?
@@kozuk3721 exactly LMAO
4:47 you can't die from screwing up a combo you can just flowing counter out of everything you just need a brain cell that functions properly
The only reason why fucking ronin is even considered op is because of flowing which is SO FUCKING PREDICTABLE BECAUSE OF THE SHORT CD, if you fuck up your combo as a ronin your enemy should be smart enough to predict you’re going to flowing, if they dont theyre bad, dnc
@@C5ndle agree with u but ur shit at ronin
@@shovelshab5726 just mad because of the mc server innit, i suck at movestacks not at ronin and i helped you make your combo
@@C5ndle u didnt even help me make any combo but aight
ps or real game
Good video agamatsu 😎
I had a time where I was a freshie being chased by an evamp ff dslayer at sentinel and it took mans a whole 5+ mins to finally kill me, couldn't hit a single combo on a FRESHIE, he couldn't even feed on me afterward cuz all my hunger drained from how long it took him to kill me
Man makes videos of a game that has been around for years and still makes it interesting
1:24 new infernasu?
i think the most skillful class is a philo/lannis illusionist with all godspells and shrieker summoning. i really think using shrieker summoning then casting hystericus takes a lot of skill tbh
agree
just wait till an oni s every spell and beats the sweat out of that illus.
with snap nocere
Their combo is sooo hard Dominus(optional) ----> Snap Nocere ---> Shrieker Summoning ----> Hystericus
aint no way agamastu just said ronnin takes skill when the only thing u have to do is land 1 singular counter and have the ablility to 100 to 0 someone quite easily
Ronin doesnt have a single fucking true combo, you’re just complaining because you cant be asked to learn how to counter the class, cry more
touch grass its an opinion vid
@@C5ndle i know how to counter the class telorum and armis lol? just cuz i said its easy to one combo someone doesnt mean i dont know how to fight them i know how to fight every class in gaia
@@imusername1 you’ve never fought me, there is a way to hold mana shield with your sword out, i’m just happy to say i invented it :D
@@C5ndle holding out a sword during mana shield has been going on for so long I don't think u invented it
Bro the fact is y’all can’t be saying classes have no skill because to be called a no skill player then you have to have mastered that class
Void takes an immeasurable amount of skill
you can argue that cadence just spams spells but if your not doing that and your just trying to survive using songs, its a skill requiring class due to you needing to practice on either osu or in a private server/real game + there arent any "bard" combos + it is SOMETIMES difficult to play while under pressure EX: 2v1+
are we gonna ignore the temp lock?
what app u use to change ur keybinds
i just wanted his thoughts on abysswalker
Bro ur temp bar while snap geldiusing? Why it wont get colder?
Can you do a video talking about undead is mod abuse? Is a fact i have a clip of undeads flooding me + a clip of undead army of bug Abuser wok flooding my server Also wipped one just to see him again atacking my friend...
Why the gaian not getting any cold when using snap Geli?????
My man had me on board until he started talking about the m1 faceless combos 💀
yo why is the guy in the clip temp locked? he is a gaian right?
Imo all the ultra classes in rogue dont take too much skill, ashiin oni is always there for the op ragdoll combos, and ronin does take skill but its relatively easy to learn. In gaia, its more about gamesense and playstyle when it comes to skill. Although khei is broken as shit and every class can one combo, i feel like its much more skill based just bc classes dont have a simple counter (you cant just hold f against an uber) and the combos are more precise/complicated.
Shutup stoonie i got sui
rogue doesn't take skill? no way I thought it was really skillful to gank a lone ultra with your whole house. better yet, have everyone spam snarv and 2 illus so you're sure they aren't getting away.
beware of the Void Sea
a navaran pit fighter with light piercer is a whole boss raid
Oni does require skill but it’s still op even if a bad Oni lands a demon flip rising dragon as a faceless main that’s already 3/4 of my health
Should I keep gaian?
im ngl sometimes when watching ur video i dont be listening to waht u say i be looking at the gank clips LOL
What dye is that
You didnt go over Cadence???
In my opinion Cadence should be up in the most skill based classes.
how can i get infinity lives
Agamatsu, i have found out your secret in Deepwoken.
You forgor spearfisher
Tier List of skill required ( Average between skill-floor and skill-ceiling )
S - Tier: ( High-Skill ceiling, Ok Skill Floor )
Shinobi, Faceless, DSage ( if your not Rigan ), Oni
A-Tier: ( kinda hard to play, not too bad )
Druid, Spy, Sigil Knight, Bard
B-Tier: ( these classes take skill but you can still win without it )
Blacksmith, Necromancer
C-Tier: ( they all use the same extremely easy combo , just on the border of braindead)
Deep Knight, DSlayer, Illusionist
Abysswalker-tier:
Yes.
bro shinobi doesnt take much skill to play :skull:
@@thelemon2172 Shinobi having such little hp contributes a good amount to it being difficult, there's a big skill curve
Necromancer is more braindead than Abyss
@@saamzzzc Druid is pretty hard to consistently hit the spell combos with veridien in time before your opponent can quick charge mana shield, unless you have a philo stone it’s harder than most other classes
1:25 hes turning into infernasu
I feel as if dsage does not take more skill than oni but I think that it is even because oni combos are easy once you get use to it but with dsage you can do so many mix ups unlike oni you just do the same 100-0 combo. Once you get use to oni you just do the same combo that just kills. Also mana management with dsage unless you are a rigan, but most are gaians.
But the difference is that combos on oni is hard to land and practically anyone can escape a oni while on the otherhand dsage has way better mobility and is more versatile. So personally I dont think dsage is as skillful as oni. (big tip on fighting oni’s, if they get near just dash and they basically cannot combo you)
2:10 m2 and then snap geli cracked dsage combo
Wouldn't the most skilled class be super due to have there is skill issue gap?
1:24 m1 m1 m1 bushogoma m1 m1 m1 and then slam em
how the hell are you 0 lives on Gaia
In my opinion, being a GOOD faceless without macros takes a load of skill. You can really tell apart macro-ers/bad players and actually skilled players who do everything on their own, use the dashes perfectly and actually know how to use the class. The hardest classes to master are definitely Faceless and Oni
agree
no it doesn’t lol
@@cluix6260 i dont think hes referring to ragdoll lethality spam keyboard combo
@@imusername1 not hard just do shadowfan triple leth
@@cluix6260 i dont think u understand how thats the least reliable combo and the most predictable legit as soon as shadow fan is blocked the entire combo is ruined
WHY DID YOU NOT INCLUDE ABYSS WALKER
@@nijee2045 Fool
As a former ronin player, it doesnt take as much skill as you think. You can do 60 damage with a simple 3 m1s and triple strike, and if you flowing countered into that combo its probably a full 80 damage, and thats only 2 normal samurai moves
M1 m1 m1 triple m1 m1 m1 does 90 and u can extend it 4 more times with swallow blade flash m1/m2 and flowing counter+ bonus shoulder throw
The downside of ronin is that your basically faceless with a startup on pulling out you weapon
basically faceless but with 10x longer combos, faceless is more of a guy that runs up to you, stabs in the heart and runs away without any explanation, which really isnt what ronin does
@@BloodPiano I mean in play style wise, your a glass cannon that can do massive damage
@@Sonkuuuna Ronin is more of a class that applies constant pressure while faceless does insane burst damage in few seconds, play style wise they're different, stats wise, probably same.
Thanks for that ronin respect ❤️❤️
shut up candle
Ew ronin user
candle it ain't that hard bruh, agamatsu just say shit ronin players
@@Archeonio you’ve never used ronin
@@minos876 use the class snd you’ll see its MANY flaws
ronin is underrated af i'd say its good but you have to learn the tricks and combos for it to do well with it
“How to use flowing counter”
@@sirbink8464 click the button for it
uber class version of this vid?
I thought that skill wasn't too important. Then I saw a freshie box up and ultra.
what skill?
then the ultra was literally not at their keyboard unless the freshie was doing a cheese inf combo
999 days of oni = lose to a non tomeless d sage
Why is nobody talking about the fact that this guy was ganking with 0 lives??
thank god ronin completely counters oni
Gelidus backfire OP
So I feel sigil would be the most skill based if ice charged blow wasn't completely unblockable and can start a combo
What the hell is wrong with you
You mean the class that can one shot people with one skill???
bard is the most skill based class
I mean cmon have you seen the cadence charting
2:00 Igg spotted
I play ronin and oni for a fairly high amount of time and I must say:
Oni definitely is one of the classes that needs more skill than the others, although not a lot, its mostly just fight experience and knowing the combos and timing, like when to demon step to and stuff like that.
For ronin, it really isn't that hard, the only thing that might make ronin a bit hard to play is the fact that mana shield counters it, but about having to miss the triple hit on triple slash, it really isn't that hard, just train for like an hour on a ps and you should be good to go, the ronins you found either have no idea they have to miss to combo, they don't know timing that well, or they're just not really good at ronin. For people saying that mages completely shut it down, not really, ignis and gelidus is which something common to be used in combos can be completely shut down by simply countering and starting your combo, easy to punish and lands heavy, and I mean it does land heavy, I know some ronin players that can use swallow reversal as a combo extender by rotating around the enemy, which is kind of hard to pull off, other than that you can stunlock the enemy for a long amount of time while keeping the combo deadly.
TLDR: It isn't that hard to miss the third hit on triple slash for ronin, mages don't counter it that much, mana shield only problem. Oni takes some skill but its mostly just fighting experience and timing.
I do kinda think oni is the most skilled class, but not by a lot, just a little bit more skill based than other classes
Edit: my god I went a bit overboard on ronin, sorry about that lol
rogue lineage essay
Bard, you need to play osu while dodging and fighting with no shift lock, fun as fuck but hard to do if you don’t fight and just support in ganks
dsage or oni or anything with hoppa with no philo
hi agamatsu
Deep knight maybe. Oh crap I forgot about oni. It’s hell to play against people who run and shit.
Deep Knight on top 💪
@@itsoracle I was a dinakeri deep knight and duo ganked with my abysswalker friend. We were so goated lol.
@@koetekage2802 dk e vamp deep knight is so goated
@@itsoracle I don’t know how I had the time to get tomeless but not evamp on it. It would have been such a goated build. At the end of the day I wiped giving my ck friend a grip since I got bored of deepknight, so I kinda passed on the torch in a way.
honestly shinobi imo is one of the harder classes (if you don't macro)
i played it one time and i was absolute dogshit, INSANE skill gap, but really, after you learn the triple dagger throw timing midair, shit gets easy
as for oni, i played ultra oni for about a week before getting Uber, and once you learn your demon flip movestacks and how they work, once again, it gets insanely easy.
most classes are easy to learn except of shinobi and oni since they have some little quirks. shinobi is hard to learn but easy to master since it's basically the same situation everytime, while oni is seemingly hard to learn and hard to master because you must learn how to make the best out of your s. spamming them won't get you anywhere. any oni can movestack, not all onis can fully globus and get a combo on an illus for example.
Oni the hardest ultra in gaia hands down
Landing a single lightning charged blow and M1 into flame charges doesn’t take skill bruh 😂. Especially not with big ass unavoidable ice spikes.
Just run faster 🤣 💀 💯
@@Reaconteur Momma didn't raise a bitch
@@Reaconteur comedic genius
huge skill gap between good and bad sigils but that does mean a bad sigil isn't op
@@bear1271 the problem with bad sigil players is that they are super predictable. Even then there isn’t a single move besides hyper body that is punishable. If I fight one as an oni I have to abuse my s so much lol. Especially with demon flip M1.
Can't do that anymore
man my friends hate me for using ronin
I think most of the skill is on how well u can not get hit
2:01 *Igg*
Dark Sigil No cap, I wish I could make one again but I just don't have the time anymore
depends on the race, most dsigils just pop a rune and spam gelly and resp
it doesnt take skill to play
Ye i can see that cause you can just mana shield all of the moves @Deron Anthony
doesnt take skill, just a weak class
Do Khei classes now
agamatsu, describe "skill" your describing it by telling us how much skillfloor the class has.
easy answer - ONI (skillfloor-based)
other answer - Bard (takes the most skill lol unless u tinytask)
yes bard
oni is hardest in skill floor? what XD ure gonna get BUAPED
@@markofaggression what
Dude said m1 m1 m1 lethality
4:05 no, those solan's player are allways trying to find an excuse to why solan's sword is balanced, sigil knight has been the easiest class i ever played other than abyss walker and i had wooden sword and classic sword combo lmao
i dont know how people say oni is skill based when they get s + all mana shield bypasses and half of the moves gb
1. only demon flip m2 and axe kick guard break rest you can block 2. you can basically just run away everytime they try to start a combo 3. the most used (demon step) is easily countered by bane (and more than 50% of gaia is just shinobi and faceless) and using demon flip m1 escapes like almost everything but then demon flip would be on cd
Try and play oni and say it doesn’t take skill
@@4oreig837 snap ignis is a free combo starter, and you can just dflip them out of ragdoll and it only takes like 3 minutes to learn the ragdoll combo
@@shronk1496 you can easily predict when someones using snap ignis and also you can dash out of the dflip off ragdoll
once you learn a classes 1>2 cookie cutter combo its just fighting experience :V
Wraith is a skilled class. The lack of mobility and only decent damage forces you to learn combos or new builds
*without tomeless
wraith with tomeless can go die in a fire, it's not a good class but it's such a dishonor to the skill required to do wraith combos without tomeless.
playing wraith without tomeless is like spy without it, it's peak skill (because you're always the underdog)
@@pantommy unfathomably based. Tomeless wraith knights are the worst players in Rogue lineage.
Can’t believe abyss walker slander still exists, because existing without tomeless in gaia is HARD. Abyss walker takes more skill than most classes with tomeless.
Tomeless ruined rogue.
@@smtandearthboundsuck8400 well, tomeless was supposed to be this lesser dev spec that was available to anyone who could sacrifice 8 races, specially the rare ones...
Back when the game was closed community, this was hard, but since rogue went public many of the game's design choices went to shit.
By comparison, Deepwoken already has this in mind, which makes it a lot more well thought out than rogue (but it's still, nonetheless, boring as hell).
It's safe to say that rogue's balance is as bad as it gets, which in turn fueled the power tripping ganker kiddie's desire to have the most "broken" build. No thanks, I'll stick to my no helmet haseldan oni, abusing the hell out of well timed s and punishing idiot Illusionists that seemingly can't do anything other than spam Dominus and Snap Nocere. I like to play my class and use its strengths rather than rely on some hand signs.
And yeah the answer is Oni. There’s a reason it’s the most respected by the community
Oni is not that skill based if u look at it ive only seen onis do same combos if they're a ashiin they add in a shoulder throw for nasty damage but i do gotta say onis do deserve some respect as is pretty hard to land them
I think shinobi and faceless does take skill, bane doesnt but youd be surprised at how many people cant even triple lethality and stuff like that
Most skilled class is probably either spy, shinobi, oni, or ronin
cadence clearly the hardest class
Fr having to play osu under the pressure of being attacked by everyone is hella hard
@@beckham3533 basically playing osu while being held at gunpoint
Obviously every base class requires true skill
Tbh any class that cant use tomeless effectively/can't use is automatically a class that takes skill
abyss takes 0 skill
@@itsoracle if your opponent is oblivious to the existence of mana shield, your statement is correct. Otherwise no
@@itsoracle Abyss takes more skill than (all tomeless) spy, faceless, shinobi, dslayer, dsage, dsigil, solans. Tbh
@@smtandearthboundsuck8400 it takes less skill than literally all of those
good class =\ no skill
@@itsoracle Tomeless on most classes reduces the skill requirement by 3/4.
Abyss is harder to play than the shitty ignis-gelidus spammers. Keep malding, « abyss no skill » is a super dead meme lol.
You can argue for the dagger classes and Deep.
But Abyss is objectively more skilled than trash players like Solans, ff dslayer and tomeless Wraith.
amazing
Oni = Demon Step Demon Step Snap Ignis Dead
No way he said oni takes skill I've never played oni until yesterday on my friends acc and all I had to do was geli into demon flip then rising dragon and they were dead :skull:
bro is legit cheating hes got temp lock lmaoo
hes a shrieker 😂
note that there’s a difference between a skilled class and a bad class that requires no skill to play
No shit
@@beannibba wdym no shit. You might have a functional brain, but he's speaking to the rogue community. I'll let you connect the rest of the dots.
Like dsage. It’s very easy to play, but just sucks ass without tomeless.
In terms of difficulty to learn (and I’m going to assume no macro’s in this list) Oni, Faceless and deep knight would be the harder ones to learn, ashiin ronin is not mentioned since shoulder throw is a racial skill and ronin takes less skill than those three (at least, in my opinion) and you could argue a spot for sigil but I simply think that thunder charge is too free and learning how to do charged blows on your last m1’s takes significantly less time to learn in comparison to a full fledged deep knight, Faceless or Oni combo. I’d say below the aforementioned three it would have to be ronin and sigil. I believe ronin takes significantly less skill than sigil as there just isn’t as much tech for ronin as there is for sigil, next up would be wraith knight/shinobi, dragon slayer and dragon sage specifically in that order. I believe wraith knight and shinobi take the same amount of skill to use effectively and that dragon slayer has movestacking m1 tech but simply remains below the two due to the ease of it landing a combo, while dragon sage is below it simply because it consists of a very limited move set with a lack of actual combo potential unlike everything mentioned before it. Next I’d group the mages in just one group, I cant put them into order simply because they all have really good abilities and since its just charging mana and clicking when its right. I guess arguing the timing can sometimes be hard is overshadowed by the majority of the mages who gank having philo stones meaning they all end up not needing proper timing as they just straight up dont need it anymore. Lastly I have abyss walker at the bottom since its just m1, m2, wrathful and nothing more. I didnt include hybrids because theres too many to mention but if I had to say, ck necro is above dragon sage, ck dk is below ck necro, dk necro is below mages, dk chef is above dragon slayer and ck chef is above dk chef. I also didnt include ultra bard as it simply is and purely is support and nothing more. A combat bard does nothing but use spells and I cant consider that using its class, I forgot to mention lapadarist and whisperer but I’d say lapadarist is below dragon slayer and whisperer is below ck dk. I didnt fully factor in tomeless because it itself is not a class and matchups because that is not what this list is for. All in all, it always just comes down to your game sense to beat an opponent. (Except philo god spell mage anything ur simply getting merc’ed and thats just how it is)
Tl;dr
Hard - Faceless, Deep Knight, Oni
Less hard - Sigil Knight, Ronin
Medium - Wraith Knight/Shinobi, Ck Chef, Dk Chef, Dragon Slayer, Lapadarist, Ck Necro, Ck Dk, Whisperer, Dragon Sage
Easy - Mages, Ultra Bard, Dk Necro
M1 - Abyss Walker
Ok that's it now lol
Bro why you writing an entire essay for this sheesh 💀💀
tl;dr?
rogue lineage paragraph permafreshie edition
@@sorrygetgoodsmh1758 😐
Ok so I just put this into a word doc and this is 467 words, woops?
dsage and ronin gotta be the most skill based
You never did bard
Sup aga i love you
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Oni, Ronin
A
Sigil, DSage, Faceless
B
Deepknight, Shinobi, DSlayer, Druid
C
Necro, Illu, DSigil
D
Abyss, Lapi, Cadence
Sigil in A 🤡
as a nonphilo tomed mage, let me tell you:
i need help
just get tomeless
@@solar7493 not that easy when you don't have a house and farming money without a bsmith alt is pure pain
@@tinytakaya Just go find shitter flood houses through the rogue discord in advertisements
@@solar7493 i'd rather not die to a shitty house lord just because I didn't give him all my silver instead of a random faceless lol
@@tinytakaya why do you even care about dying u aren’t even tomeless
didnt i already watch this vid what happened
I don’t think it’s that fair to say that mages are brain dead because of philos (don’t get me wrong they’re still kinda brain dead), they are an artifact. That’s like saying spear classes are brain dead cuz of fairfrozen. It’s not a fair comparison, same to dagger classes with macros
druid hands down
The most skilled class in Gaia is spy lol you can block all of their moves they have snarv? No problem dash back and hold mana shield again
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