What I admire about Jesse is how she talks back to the board because ultimately she takes the responsibility of the Bureau seriously. She would rather help the people than follow the will of the astral being. After all, the basic duty of the director is to keep the lights on
Amen to that. Northmoor was a blind puppet. Trench rejected them completely. Jesse plays the middle road. Accepts their info and power but refuses to be led around by them. Recognizing they have their own game they are playing and refusing to go along with it.
@@GamingUniversityUoG this was the top comment for me 💙💙Jesse made sure she’s not gonna make the same mistakes as the previous directors that’s why she’s the strongest
@@14031993 trench was more or less left in the dark after Northmoor and Relied on the board, but did what he could for the Bureau primarily. He put Northmoor in a giant coffin resembling a battery, looked for new candidates after his time as director, and setup means of guidance so people wouldn't get lost in the said house as it would shift periodically.
I love just how wonderfully bizarre this game is. The story is pretty out there, but its not so over the top that it just gets dumb... I'm still enjoying it
@@joeinzinga6123he said “a” narrative not “the” narrative. They were both commenting on how Control specifically never gets weird just for the sake of being weird. That the story always has a motivation and a good explanation for why it’s getting as weird as it is and rationalizes it within the logic of the world that it sets up for itself.
the two IDs we encountered are different to me although they seem alike. the ID in the training arena are more like humans with better anatomy and proportions, as if they were made by someone who is, or knows about, human. while the ID in the caves below are more deformed in body and makes me think someone else in the board is creating copies
It is entirely possible that is the case. My thinking was the ones we are in the Astral Plane was formed from the material found there while the ID in the Deep Caverns was formed from the stone.
My thoughts was just that the board at the time couldn't give them human form, as they likely look similar to the former. So the I'd were cobbled together in a rush, depending where the dummies when fighting marshal come from might show that they were made more recently than the id and thus better models. The dummies we fight are given bureau gear after all, when we do trials
Some have spoken of it lol. It may be a case where it is technically one object but we can only perceive the nail in the reality and the pyramid in the other. Or a stargate kind of thing if you've ever seen that show/movie.
I want to see some of the entities in control/aw battle each other maybe like Polaris vs the hiss, polaris vs the dark place, hiss vs dark place, former vs hiss, former vs the dark place. It would so entertaining to see even if it's not even like a direct fist fight but something visual. Also ahti of course I want to see him clean something
I know this is a year old but the thought of the ID fighting the Taken would be very interesting (it would practically be a war between the board and the dark presence)
I can’t believe I didn’t pick up the similarities between the Golem and the ID it makes so much sense. Also had no idea in some religions Adam was originally a Golem that’s a nice new bit of information I would have otherwise never known.
It's weird isn't it? I didn't know that either until I started researching for this video. That's why I like studying theology from multiple cultures. There are so many interesting ideas out there.
It doesn't appear they are able to be corrupted. That's an interesting observation. Ahti is the only other character other character we have seen with an innate immunity.
GU you're a legendary content creator. I just discovered your channel 3 days ago and now I have already learned so much from binge watching your control analysis. Keep them coming!
The ID: *Proceeds to attack Jesse* Jesse: *Grabs a TV showing Ahti* The ID: "Fascinating !" I wondered why Ahti has some kind of influence on them. Or is it just a game mechanism ?
I think it has that effect on anyone who looks at the video being played. FBC agents were also shown to freeze up. Maybe they just really like his singing.
@@GamingUniversityUoG from in game files I remember it saying it brought such inner peace, that upon medical scans they where in a coma like state. Completely transfixed on Ahti's singing, understandable if you've watched this gentleman's video on the character himself!
I have two lines of thought on this, pretty divergent but not completely incompatible: 1. Ahti (is/was/maybe {and doesn't this have it's own connotations} a "higher authority", tapes and cameras being "known" to capture more then the person behind them sees the footage {playing on a device without power or memory itself, unless it's a tv/vcr combo, would have to check the model}, means the recording "shows" more of the real Ahti , whose effects that he normally deadens in his own presence. 2. The Id aren't complete golems, a terrifying thought. Sudden thought 3 brought on by 1: Ahti is a greater authority then the Board within the oldest house.
@@QuestionDeca he is the Janitor, a being that is able to project a human presence but that is not his actual form. I like your thoughts though, I think he exists either as a smaller entity that is tasked with cleaning up after the boards messes. Or outside of that loop entirely, just being a celestial janitor cleaning up and looking after all beings as best he can. He created his own room in the motel, he has knowledge far beyond that of anyone else in the game. But with some things he needs help with (the mould, the plants, the darkness) as he has other duties of which we do not know. I believe he exists to keep reality clean and separate, as to avoid catastrophic events. Someone has to clean up, otherwise reality would become a tip.
Love these videos. Control is one of the greatest games ever made,the lord is wild, deep, and incredibly thought provoking and it’s awesome to see the thematic structures in Comtrols stories explained in such a nuanced way. Thank you Gaming University!
Thanks! I've always tried to rationalize things that happen in a story and break it into the fundamental parts. Especially with a complex story and lore as Control, it really helps to get a clearer picture of the rules.
I wonder why The board cant create IDs in upper floor of the oldest house to assist Jesse dealing with Hiss, maybe fear it get posses or there is limitations The board have in the Oldest house?
I feel the reason we see them, at least the Mimics and Copies, so much in the Foundation is because of the Astral Bleed. With the door open the lines can easily be crossed. For the ID in the deep cavern I couldn't say without more information. This is one of those topics that's hard to fully dive into since thetr isn't a lot of info.
Good question! I think that if they could, they wouldn't have the need to have a Director acting for them for the Bureau. Maybe there is something related to the kind of soil that the Foundation has and also the "marble floor" for the Astral Plane...
It's a pretty interesting take on the ID, though I don't know if golem would be as accurate a definition as souless depending on where you read about them. but a being under another's control and having no means to act on their individual desires: absolutely. I was curious as to why the ID seem docile when faced with the TV and how that adds up to all this.
O guess it comes down to how we define them. I always looked at an individual who is 'Soulless' as having no morality and simply acts based upon personal wants and needs. Closer to ID possession. But this is more they have a Soul but it is blackened. On the flip side without a Soul means an empty vessel which are manipulated by those who creates them. So I can see it work both ways. Either way i wanted to tie in the Golem part simply because Dr. Ash made the comparison to these.
It certainly gives us an idea of what they are really thinking. There is a Board Hotline where they try to pretend they don't direct the Astral Entities that are outside of the Astral plane such as the copies and ID. But they say, we Promise/Fingers crossed lol.
I need to play those dlcs before watching all of your vids about Control =)) Anw, could it be that the board fire the former because he lead those IDs away from them by teaching them stuff, like prometheus gave human fire? Like Dr.Ash said: one of the ID is "bravest", means that they have their personal characteristic. And when they express their curiosity, means that can learn and may be shall evolve?
There is definitely some Prometheus in the Former in some ways. There is a suggestion it conversed with Dr. Ash as well which may have had something to do with being kicked out.
Nice video but I'm starting to wonder if I'm the only one who thinks that the Id were originally the bureau employees trapped by the house shift. The numbers match. If one assumes temporal shenanigans then it would also account for the age of the cave paintings. And this basically ties the three lore threads together.
@@GamingUniversityUoG always stellar content brother, happy to be here. The build up to the wakening is only given more speed by your in depth, thought out, well constructed videos. Keep it up honestly fantastic work 👍
Great stuff as always, thanks! 06:15 btw The Former won't send ID to assist if Jesse decides to attack them/The Former at earlier parts of the game. Pays off to be careful with the trigger when there is no actual threat.
Dude i really need to know what music u have in that video... I know you wrote it in the description, but in the whole AW-Soundtrack, i cant find a track like this.. Did you just loop a certain part? It has a really really deep atmosphere and gives me almost ruminant vibes.. Besides that, you do a tremendous job on those Control videos, huge props for that, keep going!
I believe it is the music used on the start menu of Alan Wake's American Nightmare. I'll have to double check though. And thank you so much dude. Glad you enjoy these.
Your videos are soooo enlightening! I can’t stop watching them. I have NEVER been so engrossed in a game like Control. There is enough symbolism and meaning to last a lifetime, and I want to know MORE! Your videos satisfy my ID for Control! :p Subscription earned!
Upon reflecting on this comment I can understand what you were getting at. By consuming the Milk of the Not-Mother they lose their individual will and only work to serve her. She fully represents the Devouring Mother archetype.
The TV segment is the one and only true horror segment in Control. The ID are tough, durable enemies that don’t go down easily and hit with the force of a house being dropped on your head. Seeing one or two shadowy figures in the dark approach the tv was unnerving, turning to see half a dozen, then a dozen, then two dozen ID all walking behind me and knowing the only reason I’m still alive is they like the tv is truly terrifying.
Most likely it is just in reference to feeding in general. The Board entities try to use words with somewhat similar meanings. So when they say they need to feed they just say panini for example. I am under the impression that the board is latched onto the House and feeding from it like a parasite.
@@GamingUniversityUoG So was Former 'imprisoned' within that Fridge? One of the dead letters indicate someone's kitchen leached into, or vice versa, the astral plain. Is there some special importance between kitchens and that place or was that just happenstance...? Presumably the Board and its entities are immortal, albeit controllable by other entities, like the Hiss. Thus Former could not be destroyed outright, but was instead bound to a seemingly mundane object. Though this exile was messed up as it became the focus of another's attention and therefore attained or rebuilt its powerbase. I'm rabbling... Are Altered Items the result of manifest focus. If different Astral Entities resonate and affect reality, does the Manifest human, or perhaps some of them, resonate enough to create the AIs, AWEs and perhaps even the OoPs that the FBC seeks to catalogue and contain...?
*Gets GU notificacion* "It's gonna be a great day" Always excited to see what you create with every new video! Awesome job! BTW, are you going back to Hellblade soon? I loved the first 2 videos.
Thank you so much! And yes I believe that is the opening theme for Alan Wake's: American Nightmare. If you're ever curious about the music I out the titles in the description box.
@@GamingUniversityUoG thanks it sounds like Sith meditation music haha. I tried searching from the description box but I couldn’t find it. It sounded different. Maybe I haven’t found the right version yet.
@@GamingUniversityUoG hey did you get a chance to find out which song it was? I tried going through the American Nightmare OST and didn’t hear anything that sounds like this one.
An interesting fact from magic (mostly kabbalah ): Every natural element has its own elementals. Every elemental looks pretty much like human if summoned, only differing in use/ability (example-> Fire elementals (salamanders) have everything to do with physical improvements ) and their special properties. One of the main properties is that they can not be harmed or stopped by their own element- Earth elementals can move through the earth unobstructed like a human moves through air... Anyways, the main difference between us (outside of magical properties) is that elementals do not poses a soul. This means that after their life ends (their life spends are extremely long) they are gone from good (they lose their personality and reform into another entity). There is a way to go around this. Basically if an elemental takes a virgin human for a husband/ bride, human's soul is given to the elemental and the elemental's power/ properties are given to the human. In that way, elemental becomes mortal and is able to keep their personality, reincarnating after death or going to their afterlife whilst the human gets a long life and control over the element but lacks the ability to keep their personality or reincarnate after its new life spend runs out... This kind of reminds me of the way the personalities are given to the golems...
Add a public comment... Mr_CWhite 0 seconds ago Came back to this video and had a new thought based on your musings about the ID being named and the formers firing. I believe that the "bravest ID" Mabel was directly connected in some way to the former and once it had been named the former gained some measure of self awareness inside the collective. For that it was "fired/removed" then the former started to act on its own with its own will and goals. Perhaps even being able to identify and sync with the oldest house and through that connection understood the boards parasitical nature and started to move against them. It attacks Jesse believing her to be like all other directors, a puppet of the board, but once Jesse defeats the former and they have a partial conversation it understands that Jesse is not like the other directors and retreats. The former then even helps Jesse at the nail, as it now sees that she is also attempting to aid the oldest house as well. Rather than blindly serving the Board, Jesse questions the Boards motives going as far as to say she doesn't trust them indicating to former that Jesse and the Formers goals are now aligned.
So with the former being able to control id or make id . Brings question is that ability of his species , a general ability among board users and does the former species has many seats on the board or important species? Beacuse when I think about it why haven't the board ever try destroying him or dealing with them . Especially since he pops up in the astral plane time to time. So is he to slippy or powerful for them to contain?
I always looked at the Former, similar to how Emily put it, as given Corpeal Exile. He is banished to being a physical being rather than abstract like the rest of the board. Personally I don't think the board has power to do much other than influence others to carry out their wishes.
Fall to Id and you become as an animal. Fall to Superego and you become as a puppet. Both are akin to possession, and, like they say: Balance Slays the Demon
they are curious the key point...i think actually ID are not just shaped human form by the board they have soul too but its under bcz lack of authority by the board and board really wants control them that's why we never seen them in oldest house...the former was the one wants know more and get punished by that...chasm side mission actually can confirm that they like ahti more than the board ( specially high lvl ones )... looks like religious ppl we can see around our world doing dumb things bcz they think God says that without any thinking...like common ID in game ...in our culture adam created by mud and get soul by God and become human ....
I feel the writing was more about the world itself and focused less on the characters. Bit of a shame really. She foes have a character arc but she is nowhere near as complex as Max Payne or Alan Wake.
I feel like it makes sense, for someone to be so fully intertwined with extra dimensional entities since childhood even… I feel would make them rather strange in demeanor
Because people in general don't like to admit to themselves there is something more advanced then themselves. Partially due to ego partially due to insecurity.
What I admire about Jesse is how she talks back to the board because ultimately she takes the responsibility of the Bureau seriously. She would rather help the people than follow the will of the astral being.
After all, the basic duty of the director is to keep the lights on
Amen to that. Northmoor was a blind puppet. Trench rejected them completely. Jesse plays the middle road. Accepts their info and power but refuses to be led around by them. Recognizing they have their own game they are playing and refusing to go along with it.
@@GamingUniversityUoG this was the top comment for me 💙💙Jesse made sure she’s not gonna make the same mistakes as the previous directors that’s why she’s the strongest
@@GamingUniversityUoG did trench refuse them?
That's probably why Ahti is pro-Jesse the whole time
@@14031993 trench was more or less left in the dark after Northmoor and Relied on the board, but did what he could for the Bureau primarily.
He put Northmoor in a giant coffin resembling a battery, looked for new candidates after his time as director, and setup means of guidance so people wouldn't get lost in the said house as it would shift periodically.
I love just how wonderfully bizarre this game is. The story is pretty out there, but its not so over the top that it just gets dumb... I'm still enjoying it
I know what you mean. There is a point where a narrative gets weird for the sake of being weird. It becomes quiet noticeable when it happens.
@@GamingUniversityUoG is it SPOILER
The credits fake out? Maybe I’m dumb but besides that the Ash Tray Maze is my only other guess
@joeinzinga6123 I really think he just means that it's noticeable when a story does that, not that Control does it.
@@KingofJ95 my dude! Thats exactly what i meant! Great minds and such eh?
@@joeinzinga6123he said “a” narrative not “the” narrative. They were both commenting on how Control specifically never gets weird just for the sake of being weird. That the story always has a motivation and a good explanation for why it’s getting as weird as it is and rationalizes it within the logic of the world that it sets up for itself.
the two IDs we encountered are different to me although they seem alike. the ID in the training arena are more like humans with better anatomy and proportions, as if they were made by someone who is, or knows about, human. while the ID in the caves below are more deformed in body and makes me think someone else in the board is creating copies
It is entirely possible that is the case. My thinking was the ones we are in the Astral Plane was formed from the material found there while the ID in the Deep Caverns was formed from the stone.
My thoughts was just that the board at the time couldn't give them human form, as they likely look similar to the former. So the I'd were cobbled together in a rush, depending where the dummies when fighting marshal come from might show that they were made more recently than the id and thus better models. The dummies we fight are given bureau gear after all, when we do trials
I finished the foundation dlc today and wondered if the tv became altered because it had footage of ahti being some god of some sort
It was the VHS Tape that was in the TV that became Altered weirdly enough.
If I wanted to describe this game in one word, it would be “deep”.
And another awesome video as always
Thann you friend. Yeah this game really has a way of keeping us talking about it even though it's been out for so long.
@@GamingUniversityUoG It's not a lake, it's an ocean.
Instablaster...
When balance slayes the demon, you'll find peace.
Words to live by.
Which is never haven’t you heard?
We all not gonna talk about how the nail has a header that fits the black pyramid perfectly?
Some have spoken of it lol. It may be a case where it is technically one object but we can only perceive the nail in the reality and the pyramid in the other. Or a stargate kind of thing if you've ever seen that show/movie.
I want to see some of the entities in control/aw battle each other maybe like Polaris vs the hiss, polaris vs the dark place, hiss vs dark place, former vs hiss, former vs the dark place. It would so entertaining to see even if it's not even like a direct fist fight but something visual.
Also ahti of course I want to see him clean something
Do I hear Remedyverse entering Death Battle?!
I know this is a year old but the thought of the ID fighting the Taken would be very interesting (it would practically be a war between the board and the dark presence)
I can’t believe I didn’t pick up the similarities between the Golem and the ID it makes so much sense.
Also had no idea in some religions Adam was originally a Golem that’s a nice new bit of information I would have otherwise never known.
It's weird isn't it? I didn't know that either until I started researching for this video. That's why I like studying theology from multiple cultures. There are so many interesting ideas out there.
Maybe in-game the ID are pre-humans? Humans without a soul? But they aren't corrupt able by the Hiss, are they?
It doesn't appear they are able to be corrupted. That's an interesting observation. Ahti is the only other character other character we have seen with an innate immunity.
@@j.francisward1897 Perhaps they need a sould to be corrupted in the first place which is why the Hiss were unable to infect them
If only philosophy 101 were half as interesting as your videos. *Sigh*
'Balance makes us human' is going to be my new mantra.🙂
I hear you there. I was actually excited to take philosophy 101 until I sat through the classes. Glad I could make this stuff interesting though!
GU you're a legendary content creator. I just discovered your channel 3 days ago and now I have already learned so much from binge watching your control analysis.
Keep them coming!
I really appreciate it! I'm glad you enjoyed the educational stuff I sneak into these gaming vids lol. I have many more videos in the works!
I got my eyes on you Pyramid!
The ID: *Proceeds to attack Jesse*
Jesse: *Grabs a TV showing Ahti*
The ID: "Fascinating !"
I wondered why Ahti has some kind of influence on them. Or is it just a game mechanism ?
I think it has that effect on anyone who looks at the video being played. FBC agents were also shown to freeze up. Maybe they just really like his singing.
@@GamingUniversityUoG from in game files I remember it saying it brought such inner peace, that upon medical scans they where in a coma like state. Completely transfixed on Ahti's singing, understandable if you've watched this gentleman's video on the character himself!
I have two lines of thought on this, pretty divergent but not completely incompatible: 1. Ahti (is/was/maybe {and doesn't this have it's own connotations} a "higher authority", tapes and cameras being "known" to capture more then the person behind them sees the footage {playing on a device without power or memory itself, unless it's a tv/vcr combo, would have to check the model}, means the recording "shows" more of the real Ahti , whose effects that he normally deadens in his own presence.
2. The Id aren't complete golems, a terrifying thought.
Sudden thought 3 brought on by 1: Ahti is a greater authority then the Board within the oldest house.
@@QuestionDeca he is the Janitor, a being that is able to project a human presence but that is not his actual form. I like your thoughts though, I think he exists either as a smaller entity that is tasked with cleaning up after the boards messes. Or outside of that loop entirely, just being a celestial janitor cleaning up and looking after all beings as best he can. He created his own room in the motel, he has knowledge far beyond that of anyone else in the game. But with some things he needs help with (the mould, the plants, the darkness) as he has other duties of which we do not know. I believe he exists to keep reality clean and separate, as to avoid catastrophic events. Someone has to clean up, otherwise reality would become a tip.
"Taking slaves like ocean waves now feel the ocean sea" - Children of the elder God - Old Gods of Asgard
Love these videos. Control is one of the greatest games ever made,the lord is wild, deep, and incredibly thought provoking and it’s awesome to see the thematic structures in Comtrols stories explained in such a nuanced way. Thank you Gaming University!
Thanks! I've always tried to rationalize things that happen in a story and break it into the fundamental parts. Especially with a complex story and lore as Control, it really helps to get a clearer picture of the rules.
I wonder why The board cant create IDs in upper floor of the oldest house to assist Jesse dealing with Hiss, maybe fear it get posses or there is limitations The board have in the Oldest house?
I feel the reason we see them, at least the Mimics and Copies, so much in the Foundation is because of the Astral Bleed. With the door open the lines can easily be crossed. For the ID in the deep cavern I couldn't say without more information. This is one of those topics that's hard to fully dive into since thetr isn't a lot of info.
Good question! I think that if they could, they wouldn't have the need to have a Director acting for them for the Bureau. Maybe there is something related to the kind of soil that the Foundation has and also the "marble floor" for the Astral Plane...
It's a pretty interesting take on the ID, though I don't know if golem would be as accurate a definition as souless depending on where you read about them. but a being under another's control and having no means to act on their individual desires: absolutely.
I was curious as to why the ID seem docile when faced with the TV and how that adds up to all this.
O guess it comes down to how we define them. I always looked at an individual who is 'Soulless' as having no morality and simply acts based upon personal wants and needs. Closer to ID possession. But this is more they have a Soul but it is blackened. On the flip side without a Soul means an empty vessel which are manipulated by those who creates them. So I can see it work both ways. Either way i wanted to tie in the Golem part simply because Dr. Ash made the comparison to these.
So the Board has multiple vessels of subsconscious action. i wonder if it is a stress release for their Control tendencies.
It certainly gives us an idea of what they are really thinking. There is a Board Hotline where they try to pretend they don't direct the Astral Entities that are outside of the Astral plane such as the copies and ID. But they say, we Promise/Fingers crossed lol.
@@GamingUniversityUoG We appreciate/manipulate your service/labor. 😊
Do not make a deal with demons.
One day they will return for payment.
A very Faustian deal
Control teaches life lesson too OMG 😍😂. Btw congrats for 5K subscribers!!!
Thank you so much! I'm super excited and should have an update video this weekend about it and future projects.
i literally just finished The Foundation yesterday! Good video :)
Perfect timing! And thank you. How did you like The Foundation?
Same here! Such a fun way to dive deeper into the story. Gonna wait to start AWE
Love you're control content. Always will. Thanks for exploring this amazing little world!
Thank you so much Slender! Remedy really made a world that is a lot of fun to explore.
I need to play those dlcs before watching all of your vids about Control =))
Anw, could it be that the board fire the former because he lead those IDs away from them by teaching them stuff, like prometheus gave human fire? Like Dr.Ash said: one of the ID is "bravest", means that they have their personal characteristic. And when they express their curiosity, means that can learn and may be shall evolve?
There is definitely some Prometheus in the Former in some ways. There is a suggestion it conversed with Dr. Ash as well which may have had something to do with being kicked out.
Nice video but I'm starting to wonder if I'm the only one who thinks that the Id were originally the bureau employees trapped by the house shift. The numbers match. If one assumes temporal shenanigans then it would also account for the age of the cave paintings. And this basically ties the three lore threads together.
I mean the board could have been making the paintings and the containment drop survivors could have died to astral spikes or possessed by hiss
Oh Yes, now this made my Monday. Good job, love it
Haha glad I could help buddy!
@@GamingUniversityUoG always stellar content brother, happy to be here. The build up to the wakening is only given more speed by your in depth, thought out, well constructed videos. Keep it up honestly fantastic work 👍
Great stuff as always, thanks!
06:15 btw The Former won't send ID to assist if Jesse decides to attack them/The Former at earlier parts of the game. Pays off to be careful with the trigger when there is no actual threat.
Dude i really need to know what music u have in that video...
I know you wrote it in the description, but in the whole AW-Soundtrack, i cant find a track like this..
Did you just loop a certain part? It has a really really deep atmosphere and gives me almost ruminant vibes..
Besides that, you do a tremendous job on those Control videos, huge props for that, keep going!
I believe it is the music used on the start menu of Alan Wake's American Nightmare. I'll have to double check though. And thank you so much dude. Glad you enjoy these.
I’m actually on time for once yay! Also great video
Haha glad you could make it!
Guess more people really hope Control will be the door to a bigger universe under Remedy's Control. Hehe.
Well, Sam Lake has confirmed that they are developing the RCU (Remedy Connected Universe)
If I remember correctly there are two new games in the works set in the RCU.
This comment is old but Control 2 is now in production with a much bigger budget. Hopefully in a couple of years we'll see it.
super great as always, thank you for your videos!
Thanks buddy! How has everything been?
Your videos are soooo enlightening! I can’t stop watching them. I have NEVER been so engrossed in a game like Control. There is enough symbolism and meaning to last a lifetime, and I want to know MORE! Your videos satisfy my ID for Control! :p Subscription earned!
Haha thank you friend! Yeah Control and Remedy in general is so dense that I'm not sure if we will ever get to the end of it.
I think that it may have some connection with the dung monkeys mentioned in the files...
I'm curious if we will ever get more information in the Not-Mother and what exactly happened then.
Holy shit you are right
Upon reflecting on this comment I can understand what you were getting at. By consuming the Milk of the Not-Mother they lose their individual will and only work to serve her. She fully represents the Devouring Mother archetype.
@@GamingUniversityUoG and they kinda look like a monkey.. a child could think that they are monkeys
Yay more control!!!
Always more Control!
Another great video thank you
Thank you!
The TV segment is the one and only true horror segment in Control. The ID are tough, durable enemies that don’t go down easily and hit with the force of a house being dropped on your head. Seeing one or two shadowy figures in the dark approach the tv was unnerving, turning to see half a dozen, then a dozen, then two dozen ID all walking behind me and knowing the only reason I’m still alive is they like the tv is truly terrifying.
Man i have a question for you, when u talk to the former he mentions some names: "Panini" and "Abalone"
Do you have any thoughts on that?
Most likely it is just in reference to feeding in general. The Board entities try to use words with somewhat similar meanings. So when they say they need to feed they just say panini for example. I am under the impression that the board is latched onto the House and feeding from it like a parasite.
Panini means pressed. And Abalone are endangered so maybe Former was trying to say it was pressed for time?
@@GamingUniversityUoG So was Former 'imprisoned' within that Fridge? One of the dead letters indicate someone's kitchen leached into, or vice versa, the astral plain. Is there some special importance between kitchens and that place or was that just happenstance...?
Presumably the Board and its entities are immortal, albeit controllable by other entities, like the Hiss. Thus Former could not be destroyed outright, but was instead bound to a seemingly mundane object. Though this exile was messed up as it became the focus of another's attention and therefore attained or rebuilt its powerbase. I'm rabbling... Are Altered Items the result of manifest focus. If different Astral Entities resonate and affect reality, does the Manifest human, or perhaps some of them, resonate enough to create the AIs, AWEs and perhaps even the OoPs that the FBC seeks to catalogue and contain...?
@@serpenthydra Some people say the former attached itself to the fridge to "feed" off of the unconscious stuff the fridge represents or whatever.
*Gets GU notificacion*
"It's gonna be a great day"
Always excited to see what you create with every new video! Awesome job! BTW, are you going back to Hellblade soon? I loved the first 2 videos.
That's kind of you to say! And you'll be seeing Hellblade sooner than you think.
Thanks for the video.
You got it!
I really enjoy your Control videos. Could you please share the song that’s playing in the background? During 1:40
Thank you so much! And yes I believe that is the opening theme for Alan Wake's: American Nightmare. If you're ever curious about the music I out the titles in the description box.
@@GamingUniversityUoG thanks it sounds like Sith meditation music haha. I tried searching from the description box but I couldn’t find it. It sounded different. Maybe I haven’t found the right version yet.
It may be the one from the start screen. I may have mislabeled it.
@@GamingUniversityUoG hey did you get a chance to find out which song it was? I tried going through the American Nightmare OST and didn’t hear anything that sounds like this one.
An interesting fact from magic (mostly kabbalah ): Every natural element has its own elementals. Every elemental looks pretty much like human if summoned, only differing in use/ability (example-> Fire elementals (salamanders) have everything to do with physical improvements ) and their special properties. One of the main properties is that they can not be harmed or stopped by their own element- Earth elementals can move through the earth unobstructed like a human moves through air... Anyways, the main difference between us (outside of magical properties) is that elementals do not poses a soul. This means that after their life ends (their life spends are extremely long) they are gone from good (they lose their personality and reform into another entity). There is a way to go around this. Basically if an elemental takes a virgin human for a husband/ bride, human's soul is given to the elemental and the elemental's power/ properties are given to the human. In that way, elemental becomes mortal and is able to keep their personality, reincarnating after death or going to their afterlife whilst the human gets a long life and control over the element but lacks the ability to keep their personality or reincarnate after its new life spend runs out... This kind of reminds me of the way the personalities are given to the golems...
Great content. Hello from Serbia.
Thanks friend!
@@GamingUniversityUoG Thank you for taking us throughout these amazing worlds with your deep interpretations.
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOOOO... I love the game. But with this explanation, make me have it in a pedestal.
Remedy made something amazing here. Glad I could help enhance your enjoyment!
I'm here from the reddit post :')
Welcome from reddit buddy!
I see you are a man of culture
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Came back to this video and had a new thought based on your musings about the ID being named and the formers firing. I believe that the "bravest ID" Mabel was directly connected in some way to the former and once it had been named the former gained some measure of self awareness inside the collective. For that it was "fired/removed" then the former started to act on its own with its own will and goals. Perhaps even being able to identify and sync with the oldest house and through that connection understood the boards parasitical nature and started to move against them. It attacks Jesse believing her to be like all other directors, a puppet of the board, but once Jesse defeats the former and they have a partial conversation it understands that Jesse is not like the other directors and retreats. The former then even helps Jesse at the nail, as it now sees that she is also attempting to aid the oldest house as well. Rather than blindly serving the Board, Jesse questions the Boards motives going as far as to say she doesn't trust them indicating to former that Jesse and the Formers goals are now aligned.
Cool story, bro.
So with the former being able to control id or make id . Brings question is that ability of his species , a general ability among board users and does the former species has many seats on the board or important species?
Beacuse when I think about it why haven't the board ever try destroying him or dealing with them . Especially since he pops up in the astral plane time to time. So is he to slippy or powerful for them to contain?
I always looked at the Former, similar to how Emily put it, as given Corpeal Exile. He is banished to being a physical being rather than abstract like the rest of the board. Personally I don't think the board has power to do much other than influence others to carry out their wishes.
Fall to Id and you become as an animal. Fall to Superego and you become as a puppet. Both are akin to possession, and, like they say:
Balance Slays the Demon
You got it dude! The Old Gods were onto something
My destiny ass was expecting to see an actual taken taken
I think the Id were part of the Oldest House and the Board took them over.
they are curious the key point...i think actually ID are not just shaped human form by the board they have soul too but its under bcz lack of authority by the board and board really wants control them that's why we never seen them in oldest house...the former was the one wants know more and get punished by that...chasm side mission actually can confirm that they like ahti more than the board ( specially high lvl ones )... looks like religious ppl we can see around our world doing dumb things bcz they think God says that without any thinking...like common ID in game ...in our culture adam created by mud and get soul by God and become human ....
Looks like the iD from Annihilation
Never heard of it. Is that a game?
@@GamingUniversityUoG the movie with Natalie Portman. Her character comes face to face with iD like doppelgänger
My only complaint to control is that Jesse was a bit dull.
I feel the writing was more about the world itself and focused less on the characters. Bit of a shame really. She foes have a character arc but she is nowhere near as complex as Max Payne or Alan Wake.
I feel like it makes sense, for someone to be so fully intertwined with extra dimensional entities since childhood even… I feel would make them rather strange in demeanor
@@Yehoshua66I love your profile pic is that a photo I can easily find on the Internet
Q: what are the ID?
A: enemy :P
You are not wrong lol.
Where can I find them?
The ID can only be found down in the Deep chasm area of the foundation. Where you got the TV set with Ahti singing and carried it around for light.
Why do we continue to insist that human is the end all, beat all of everything?
Because people in general don't like to admit to themselves there is something more advanced then themselves. Partially due to ego partially due to insecurity.
_They made Doom..._
"In some Native American creation myths" yeah what's next, "some afroeurasian creation myths"? Be more specific.
What an adorably self-important snowflake we have here❤
@@zekaizerguy1181asking for specification isnt important?