"He was a good husband and a good father" 🤦♀️ HE WAS AN ADULTERER GIRL "Im wondering if I'm the bad guy" hun... YOU SLEPT WITH A MARRIED MAN "He gave his daughter a speech about loyalty being the most important thing in marriage" giiiiirl Mary is the true MVP. Glad she remarried to a GOOD man and had children
@gostavoadolfos2023 I was cry laughing through almost her entire post. The only one I felt sorry for was the daughter. Mary found a better life so she's good. OP and her hubby get what they deserve... it's the daughter who has the short end of the stick. She gets cheated on AND finds out she's an affair baby. A double sucker punch in one week
Did it ever occur to you that he wants his daughter to be better than him? Who better to tell her that cheating is the wrong thing than somebody who has done it and acknowledges it was the wrong thing to do? It irritates me that at face value, he cheated and then spent the next couple decades doing his best with what he has, but because he cheated he can never be a good person again whatever he does.
@blender4464 did it ever occur to you, if you're trying to be a better person, Like... you don't preach loyalty, and then blindside your daughter with the fact that she's an affair baby... especially after she gets cheated on 😆 Maybe you be a man and fess up to your mistakes years ago. He only acknowledged his mistakes because she learned the truth, not because he had some "come to Jesus" moment that changed his life lol
Story #2: I'm a support person for a person with PTSD. I've had the same questions asked to me about why I do it. The answer? I love them. They're my best friend. I view them as my child. They struggle to stand up for themselves and I help them. We've been best friends since high school and are extremely close. I could never even imagine what I would do if I lost them, and I feel the need to protect them as a mother would protect their child. It's that simple. Love is one of the most powerful emotions known to man.
Story 1 - "my daughter is not a product of lies" okay, delulu. 🎻 Op needs this to cope with the consequences of her and her husband's decisions catching up to them. It's a bit of poetic justice here. Op stole Mary's husband. Op's daughter ran away towards Mary. Full circle.
Story 1: i cant remember when last i laughed so hard at a OP in a story. 😂😂😂 Story 2: OP gave his brother a wedding gift he will never forget!! NTA 😂😂😂😂
2nd story: 1. A friend of mine once said "some things you must experience in order to understand", and this might be one of those things. 2. I'd do the same thing if my brother said anything of the sort about my SO. If my parents would've sided with him like OP's parents did, I'd make it clear that the offer of a broken nose and a complete NC approach was open for them as well. 3. I would not have kept that brother on my list of important people.
S2:Wait so are we gonna just skip that this all happened when Kate was pregnant ? I think even people who haven't gone through that would freak out if someone fell on them when they were pregnant, and the brother saying that to "soon to be father" about his child's mother , what else did he expect. The OP buried the lead on that one 😂😂😂
Story 1 : as Mr.krabs once said :" ohhh booohoo let me play the world's smallest violin for you" .. Update : mary is the real one for not holding grudges..
Story #2 - In principle, I cannot condone physical violence. In practice however, I'd have taken a swing too. The brother had it coming. I get that he doesn't understand the nature of those sorts of flash-backs, in his mind, he thought she was just having a temper tantrum because that's what he equates it to, that's how it looks to an outside observer. But it was not his place to intervene. One does not need to have a degree in psychiatry to know there are some issues you're unequipped to handle yourself. In fact, the lack of a psychiatry degree is makes that truth very evident to all but complete ass holes. The brother was being an ass hole. The appropriate response would have been to step back, let OP deal with his wife, and keep people from crowding them. Divert the guests attention: "Hey folks, sorry for the commotion, my Sister-in-law is experiencing a medical episode, but she is safe and in good hands right now. I know this can be embarrassing for her, so please, refrain from any gossip or conjecture. It took a lot for her to come here today, and we should repay that kindness she has shown us with our patience, love and respect for her dignity. My bride and I will be taking a short break from the festivities, but we'll return shortly. Until then, let's turn your attention back to the dance floor as I hand you back to our DJ who will keep the party rolling." That's what he should have done. Honestly that's what the best man should have done, that's his whole fucking job in the wedding, lol. Unless OP was the best man, in which, understandable, he was occupied, lol.
Story 1: "I didn't know he was married when we started the relationship, when I found out I wanted to end it but he refused" Gurl, he can't refuse for you, if you want to end it end it. Like you were innocent at first but the moment you found out you should've thrown up deuces and walked out of there
“I know what we did was wrong.” The fact that you still married each other disproves this. You can’t repent from an evil deed and still keep the benefits of it. That’s trying to have your cake and eat it too. I hope OP’s daughter never reestablishes contact. That’s what OP deserves.
So the daughter had to grow up in a broken home if her parents wanted to repent? If anything that would be even more selfish as they would be forsaking their child for their own wants.
Affair babies should not bare the guilt of their parents. So lame to even think it would be an issue. Also seeing how everyone moved on, it’s not a big deal. People are living their best life now! Also karma doesn’t work like this for people saying it’s karma.
OP and her husband inflicted lasting trauma on another person. Even if Mary is “living her best life”, she undoubtably still bears the emotional scars of what happened. The fact that OP and husband married proves they aren’t really sorry, because they still wanted to keep the benefits of the evil thing they did. OP’s daughter is suffering because, apart from being cheated on, she knows her parents are just as bad as her ex. She also knows they’re hypocrites for speaking of “loyalty”. They set her up to suffer.
How do you know how karma works? God or gods are not known for just mercy and love but also embodies cruelty and brutality too. Not religious but I am using your stuff in this argument 😅
Karma is worse than a b*tch. It knows it's not fun going after the perpetretor, so it goes to the loved ones for extra pain. This is exactly what 'spilled-over' karma looks like.
he had it coming. but forgive him and move forward. assault is never ok. and for someone who is living with someone who had an SA that's just not smart. the extreme stress of a wedding causes you to say things you shouldn't.
Story 1 I'm not a karma douche but fuck if anything this would be it. the more OP says how loyalty is important in a marriage and then saying her husband changed well no I'll bet he has another on the side and is wayyyyy more careful.
The background hurts my eyes. But I'm one who can't play video games whether it's this like the racing ones,doesn't matter. I do watch and listen to other channels. That's because they show nature or animals,etc.
Story one DEF fake story two I thought was real at first but then I thought about it and if it was actually real the brother definitely would have press charges😂
Story 2: Brother was an AH for saying it outloud but the world doesn't owe you anything and no one has to care about why you're acting a particular way if its affecting them and they are allowed to react in a way that isn't illegal, unlike OP suckerpunching his brother on dude's wedding day (basically what his wife told him after the fact). Hope the brother keeps the same AH energy and sues him.
Yeah, I think it's funny he wants a sincere apology for what was said. But he gives a half assed apology with a lot of excuses over assaulting and threatening him at his wedding.
@@juggernot92 If you call my wife a broken person who is unworthy of my love, I will do more than ruin your wedding and your nose. Brother should be happy he was able to walk out of the venue instead of being ambulance'd out.
What his brother said will never leave that girls mind, and sa is a serious trauma.. The nose will heal quite quickly. I think the brother got off easy. No, world doesnt own any support for her, but poking at other peoples traumas is worse than punching the person who did it.
@WRAAAMmh right because the nose is the only damage done, the man will not deal with any lasting emotional damage from being assaulted at his wedding in front of God and both their families. That poor lady might remember his words, but everyone, including the bride, will remember the OPs' actions. Look, he shouldn't have said what he said. But what he said is no excuse for getting physically attacked. You wouldn't ask a female victim what she did to provoke her attacker?
@@juggernot92 he deserved everything he got. We’ve had the concept of fighting words in English common law for centuries. This idea that has developed in the era of the internet where people can say anything from behind a screen and think that applies in the real world just isn’t rational. You call your brothers wife a broken freak, you get whatever you get and you have nobody to blame for it but yourself.
So OP thinks after physically his brother on his wedding day, he’s owed a sincere apology but gives a half assed apology by letter which is cowardly. That was his and his wife’s wedding day, and while OPs wife trauma is unfortunate it’s not their responsibility to manage nor have to deal with on such an important day. The wife could control her trauma response but OP could definitely control himself. Demanding a sincere apology and effort of understanding on her part but OP hasn’t offered a sincere apology or offered to make up to even the bride let alone the brother for what he did. But thinking him paying for group therapy is an olive branch is wild. You can’t assault someone and think paying for group therapy so which only benefits your wife is a solution. He’s lucky he wasn’t arrested. OP hasn’t acknowledged his part in the argument and has justified his actions and thinks his parents and brother should do something he won’t.
Story 1: the daughter is so dramatic & really wants to be a victim 😂. Yeah, her parents are not good people for cheating. Yeah, you’re a result of an affair, but that’s the past & has NOTHING to do with her. Her meeting up with Mary was/is a boundary that should’ve NEVER been crossed. There’s no excuse whatsoever for how she’s reacting to that news just cause she herself was cheated on. She seriously needs to seek therapy b/c that isn’t normal, lmao
IDK she is already in her lowest and suicidal and she learned about the truth in the worst way possible.. alsonthe fact that they gave her a speech about loyalty before her wedding is just the cherry on top. Once again people are not equal when it comes to mental strength.
No. It's untrue. BIL, his wife, MIL and FIL showed their lack of empathy and poor character. A wedding day is just that, a day. OP doesn't have to pick a partner just on the premise of whether or not they may or may not ruin that one day. What an appalling attitude. That's a disgusting amount of main character syndrome. OP's wife is not some dreg in society. She is a human being who had something horrible happen to her and is trying to manage as best as she can with a gracious attitude. And OP has a duty to his wife to say that they are a package deal. Thank goodness the trash took itself out. Guess they won't be seeing their grandchildren. It's for the best for those kids.
@@maiab.4894 the novel you wrote has nothing to do with what I wrote and I probably couldn't care less even if it did. Still it is true, F'ed up but factually true.
@@VRDejaVuIf you believe it is "factually" true, your own relationships and the people you surround yourself with will reflect your values... Enjoy the life you deserve.
@@maiab.4894 Because it is factually true. You getting all emotional with a random online stranger changes nothing and this whole convo says a lot more about you than anything else. I wish you double of whatever you wish for me :) (edit: liking your own comments is so damn cringe...)
@@VRDejaVuThe idea that if OP hadn't married a "broken" woman, BIL's wedding wouldn't have been "ruined" is "factual" is just plain stupid and embarrassingly low IQ. That's because life brings us a multitude of issues out of our control at any given time, wedding or not. If OP had a "non broken" wife, she could have had a horrific miscarriage at 5 months pregnant in the middle of the wedding. That still would have ruined BIL's *pristine* day. That this is a hard concept for ppl like you and the BIL to grasp tells me that you are biologically and/or emotionally immature. Hopefully, it's just your age, and you have a better chance of growing into someone with more conscious and a wider frame of references so that one day you can understand what "factual" really means. I don't care about you, internet stranger. It's just the persistent ignorance paired with lack of empathy you seem to want to embody and display that is irritating. But considering your weak attempts at insults over 1)"likes" and 2)describing my reply as a "novel" to mask your jealousy that I can string two sentences together, I'm guessing you're just in middle school and a reflection of a poor education system. If you believe relationships should be so shallow as the BIL and his ilk, I wish you the kind of friends who believe the same. Hopefully, you never become so "broken" that based on your shared value system, they have the right to abandon you.
"He was a good husband and a good father" 🤦♀️ HE WAS AN ADULTERER GIRL
"Im wondering if I'm the bad guy" hun... YOU SLEPT WITH A MARRIED MAN
"He gave his daughter a speech about loyalty being the most important thing in marriage" giiiiirl
Mary is the true MVP. Glad she remarried to a GOOD man and had children
The speech about loyalty is what broke me lol him and his wife are perfect for each other.
@gostavoadolfos2023 I was cry laughing through almost her entire post. The only one I felt sorry for was the daughter. Mary found a better life so she's good. OP and her hubby get what they deserve... it's the daughter who has the short end of the stick. She gets cheated on AND finds out she's an affair baby. A double sucker punch in one week
@@gostavoadolfos2023 same. 😂😂😂
Did it ever occur to you that he wants his daughter to be better than him? Who better to tell her that cheating is the wrong thing than somebody who has done it and acknowledges it was the wrong thing to do?
It irritates me that at face value, he cheated and then spent the next couple decades doing his best with what he has, but because he cheated he can never be a good person again whatever he does.
@blender4464 did it ever occur to you, if you're trying to be a better person, Like... you don't preach loyalty, and then blindside your daughter with the fact that she's an affair baby... especially after she gets cheated on 😆
Maybe you be a man and fess up to your mistakes years ago. He only acknowledged his mistakes because she learned the truth, not because he had some "come to Jesus" moment that changed his life lol
Dang, Mary is such a saint.
And lucky in the grand scheme of things.
Op1 stole Mary's husband and Mary stole her daughter lol
Didn't really "steal her" more like comforted her
Lmao what?😂😂 “I’m starting wondering if I am the bad guy” woman you literally are, seems homewrecking isn’t considered as a bad deed in her book
I gasped and laughed at the same time when I heard that
I'm not one to curse, but I said "Bitch, are you serious?"
Story #2: I'm a support person for a person with PTSD. I've had the same questions asked to me about why I do it. The answer? I love them. They're my best friend. I view them as my child. They struggle to stand up for themselves and I help them. We've been best friends since high school and are extremely close. I could never even imagine what I would do if I lost them, and I feel the need to protect them as a mother would protect their child. It's that simple. Love is one of the most powerful emotions known to man.
Story 1 - "my daughter is not a product of lies" okay, delulu. 🎻 Op needs this to cope with the consequences of her and her husband's decisions catching up to them. It's a bit of poetic justice here. Op stole Mary's husband. Op's daughter ran away towards Mary. Full circle.
7:38 Mary won big by being not a "bigger" person, but an effing Godzilla of a person...
Story 1: i cant remember when last i laughed so hard at a OP in a story. 😂😂😂
Story 2: OP gave his brother a wedding gift he will never forget!! NTA 😂😂😂😂
Story 2 : No, brother Shouldn't have said hurtful things but its understandable he was freaked out but that was just unacceptable for him to say that.
Story 2: Wow. That lady, Kate, is really strong. I'm genuinely surprised she hasn't given up on others. Her outlook has me re-evaluating my precepts.
Story 2: feck the brother, there is a line which u don't cross, blood or no blood, wedding or no wedding
I hate to tell you, OP1, but it sounds like he only married you because he knocked you up. He was looking for a brood mare.
2nd story:
1. A friend of mine once said "some things you must experience in order to understand", and this might be one of those things.
2. I'd do the same thing if my brother said anything of the sort about my SO. If my parents would've sided with him like OP's parents did, I'd make it clear that the offer of a broken nose and a complete NC approach was open for them as well.
3. I would not have kept that brother on my list of important people.
Karma has a very long memory…
The mills of God grind slowly
S2:Wait so are we gonna just skip that this all happened when Kate was pregnant ? I think even people who haven't gone through that would freak out if someone fell on them when they were pregnant, and the brother saying that to "soon to be father" about his child's mother , what else did he expect. The OP buried the lead on that one 😂😂😂
That part just confirmed it was fake
The second that brother got in ops face he said goodbye to his nose
Story 2: the brother basically victime blamed Kate for having a bad home life and being SA'd. He is a waste of oxygen.
"She was a product of love" she was a product of cheating and lust get your facts straight OP.
Story 1 : as Mr.krabs once said :" ohhh booohoo let me play the world's smallest violin for you" ..
Update : mary is the real one for not holding grudges..
I seriously heard Mr. Krabs voice when I read this 😂
😂😂😂
@@sierrastanley3109 Same lol
That's dumb. He did nothing to harm his daughter or be disowned by her.
@@blender4464 What are you talking about?
Story 2 kate love you hug you ❤😊
Please Kate Royal and trust love your Op please ❤
Story #2 - In principle, I cannot condone physical violence. In practice however, I'd have taken a swing too. The brother had it coming. I get that he doesn't understand the nature of those sorts of flash-backs, in his mind, he thought she was just having a temper tantrum because that's what he equates it to, that's how it looks to an outside observer. But it was not his place to intervene. One does not need to have a degree in psychiatry to know there are some issues you're unequipped to handle yourself. In fact, the lack of a psychiatry degree is makes that truth very evident to all but complete ass holes. The brother was being an ass hole.
The appropriate response would have been to step back, let OP deal with his wife, and keep people from crowding them. Divert the guests attention:
"Hey folks, sorry for the commotion, my Sister-in-law is experiencing a medical episode, but she is safe and in good hands right now. I know this can be embarrassing for her, so please, refrain from any gossip or conjecture. It took a lot for her to come here today, and we should repay that kindness she has shown us with our patience, love and respect for her dignity. My bride and I will be taking a short break from the festivities, but we'll return shortly. Until then, let's turn your attention back to the dance floor as I hand you back to our DJ who will keep the party rolling."
That's what he should have done. Honestly that's what the best man should have done, that's his whole fucking job in the wedding, lol. Unless OP was the best man, in which, understandable, he was occupied, lol.
“he refused to let me break up with him” girl did he hold you at gun point??
Story 1: "I didn't know he was married when we started the relationship, when I found out I wanted to end it but he refused" Gurl, he can't refuse for you, if you want to end it end it. Like you were innocent at first but the moment you found out you should've thrown up deuces and walked out of there
fr like did he blackmail you??
“I know what we did was wrong.” The fact that you still married each other disproves this. You can’t repent from an evil deed and still keep the benefits of it. That’s trying to have your cake and eat it too.
I hope OP’s daughter never reestablishes contact. That’s what OP deserves.
So the daughter had to grow up in a broken home if her parents wanted to repent? If anything that would be even more selfish as they would be forsaking their child for their own wants.
you got issues
Affair babies should not bare the guilt of their parents. So lame to even think it would be an issue. Also seeing how everyone moved on, it’s not a big deal. People are living their best life now! Also karma doesn’t work like this for people saying it’s karma.
OP and her husband inflicted lasting trauma on another person. Even if Mary is “living her best life”, she undoubtably still bears the emotional scars of what happened.
The fact that OP and husband married proves they aren’t really sorry, because they still wanted to keep the benefits of the evil thing they did.
OP’s daughter is suffering because, apart from being cheated on, she knows her parents are just as bad as her ex. She also knows they’re hypocrites for speaking of “loyalty”. They set her up to suffer.
How do you know how karma works? God or gods are not known for just mercy and love but also embodies cruelty and brutality too. Not religious but I am using your stuff in this argument 😅
Karma is worse than a b*tch. It knows it's not fun going after the perpetretor, so it goes to the loved ones for extra pain. This is exactly what 'spilled-over' karma looks like.
S1 cheaters deserve each other. The first wife is better without the loser.
he had it coming. but forgive him and move forward. assault is never ok. and for someone who is living with someone who had an SA that's just not smart. the extreme stress of a wedding causes you to say things you shouldn't.
angry about physical violence? It seems to me most people on the internet revel in hearing about physical violence
Story 2 brother should sue
S2: what op did was genuine, there should be more to the story for the way his brother reacted, more than just the wedding incident.
Story 1 I'm not a karma douche but fuck if anything this would be it. the more OP says how loyalty is important in a marriage and then saying her husband changed well no I'll bet he has another on the side and is wayyyyy more careful.
Instead of Minecraft in the background do Terraria.
The background hurts my eyes. But I'm one who can't play video games whether it's this like the racing ones,doesn't matter. I do watch and listen to other channels. That's because they show nature or animals,etc.
Story one DEF fake story two I thought was real at first but then I thought about it and if it was actually real the brother definitely would have press charges😂
There's no such thing as pressing charges against family in my country many countries and cultures are also that way
@@lillypharaoh5945 still feels fake to me
Depends even where you can charge family it can be hard. Some cultures teach its wrong to call cops on fam
Not everyone presses charges
@@ehtishamkhan2004 why would he not though his brother broke his nose
Fuck the brother in story 2, Kate had flashbacks to trauma and he said she was causing a scene. Good on OP, I'd buy him a drink
love the background building progress.
The video is pissing me off
Mary W
Daughter is strange and overly dramatic
Story 2: Brother was an AH for saying it outloud but the world doesn't owe you anything and no one has to care about why you're acting a particular way if its affecting them and they are allowed to react in a way that isn't illegal, unlike OP suckerpunching his brother on dude's wedding day (basically what his wife told him after the fact). Hope the brother keeps the same AH energy and sues him.
Yeah, I think it's funny he wants a sincere apology for what was said. But he gives a half assed apology with a lot of excuses over assaulting and threatening him at his wedding.
@@juggernot92 If you call my wife a broken person who is unworthy of my love, I will do more than ruin your wedding and your nose. Brother should be happy he was able to walk out of the venue instead of being ambulance'd out.
What his brother said will never leave that girls mind, and sa is a serious trauma.. The nose will heal quite quickly. I think the brother got off easy. No, world doesnt own any support for her, but poking at other peoples traumas is worse than punching the person who did it.
@WRAAAMmh right because the nose is the only damage done, the man will not deal with any lasting emotional damage from being assaulted at his wedding in front of God and both their families. That poor lady might remember his words, but everyone, including the bride, will remember the OPs' actions. Look, he shouldn't have said what he said. But what he said is no excuse for getting physically attacked. You wouldn't ask a female victim what she did to provoke her attacker?
@@juggernot92 he deserved everything he got. We’ve had the concept of fighting words in English common law for centuries. This idea that has developed in the era of the internet where people can say anything from behind a screen and think that applies in the real world just isn’t rational.
You call your brothers wife a broken freak, you get whatever you get and you have nobody to blame for it but yourself.
So OP thinks after physically his brother on his wedding day, he’s owed a sincere apology but gives a half assed apology by letter which is cowardly. That was his and his wife’s wedding day, and while OPs wife trauma is unfortunate it’s not their responsibility to manage nor have to deal with on such an important day. The wife could control her trauma response but OP could definitely control himself. Demanding a sincere apology and effort of understanding on her part but OP hasn’t offered a sincere apology or offered to make up to even the bride let alone the brother for what he did. But thinking him paying for group therapy is an olive branch is wild. You can’t assault someone and think paying for group therapy so which only benefits your wife is a solution. He’s lucky he wasn’t arrested. OP hasn’t acknowledged his part in the argument and has justified his actions and thinks his parents and brother should do something he won’t.
Story 1: the daughter is so dramatic & really wants to be a victim 😂. Yeah, her parents are not good people for cheating. Yeah, you’re a result of an affair, but that’s the past & has NOTHING to do with her. Her meeting up with Mary was/is a boundary that should’ve NEVER been crossed. There’s no excuse whatsoever for how she’s reacting to that news just cause she herself was cheated on. She seriously needs to seek therapy b/c that isn’t normal, lmao
IDK she is already in her lowest and suicidal and she learned about the truth in the worst way possible.. alsonthe fact that they gave her a speech about loyalty before her wedding is just the cherry on top. Once again people are not equal when it comes to mental strength.
Girl she is a victim, did you hear the part where she got cheated on???
19:30 as F'ed up as it sounds... it is true.
No. It's untrue. BIL, his wife, MIL and FIL showed their lack of empathy and poor character. A wedding day is just that, a day. OP doesn't have to pick a partner just on the premise of whether or not they may or may not ruin that one day. What an appalling attitude. That's a disgusting amount of main character syndrome. OP's wife is not some dreg in society. She is a human being who had something horrible happen to her and is trying to manage as best as she can with a gracious attitude. And OP has a duty to his wife to say that they are a package deal. Thank goodness the trash took itself out. Guess they won't be seeing their grandchildren. It's for the best for those kids.
@@maiab.4894 the novel you wrote has nothing to do with what I wrote and I probably couldn't care less even if it did.
Still it is true, F'ed up but factually true.
@@VRDejaVuIf you believe it is "factually" true, your own relationships and the people you surround yourself with will reflect your values... Enjoy the life you deserve.
@@maiab.4894 Because it is factually true. You getting all emotional with a random online stranger changes nothing and this whole convo says a lot more about you than anything else.
I wish you double of whatever you wish for me :)
(edit: liking your own comments is so damn cringe...)
@@VRDejaVuThe idea that if OP hadn't married a "broken" woman, BIL's wedding wouldn't have been "ruined" is "factual" is just plain stupid and embarrassingly low IQ. That's because life brings us a multitude of issues out of our control at any given time, wedding or not. If OP had a "non broken" wife, she could have had a horrific miscarriage at 5 months pregnant in the middle of the wedding. That still would have ruined BIL's *pristine* day. That this is a hard concept for ppl like you and the BIL to grasp tells me that you are biologically and/or emotionally immature. Hopefully, it's just your age, and you have a better chance of growing into someone with more conscious and a wider frame of references so that one day you can understand what "factual" really means. I don't care about you, internet stranger. It's just the persistent ignorance paired with lack of empathy you seem to want to embody and display that is irritating. But considering your weak attempts at insults over 1)"likes" and 2)describing my reply as a "novel" to mask your jealousy that I can string two sentences together, I'm guessing you're just in middle school and a reflection of a poor education system. If you believe relationships should be so shallow as the BIL and his ilk, I wish you the kind of friends who believe the same. Hopefully, you never become so "broken" that based on your shared value system, they have the right to abandon you.
Not everyone deserves forgiveness