Bart Ehrman on the Deity of Christ
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- Опубликовано: 20 апр 2021
- Looked at Bart Ehrman’s ignorance of the NT’s witness to Jesus as Y--H.
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Thank you, Dr. White for your consistent defense of the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ!!!!
Nobody understands the Trinity because it's not Biblical. The only way this false doctrine works is with mistranslated verses, eisegesis, redefining words and philosophy [wisdom of this world Col 2:8] to explain away crystal clear verses. When you stick to Scripture ONLY, Trinitarian-ISM falls apart. And that's why they HAVE TO use those tactics to keep this unbiblical teaching alive. It's amazing to see grown up people, struggle with BASIC kindergarten grammar because of a false doctrine.
@@JudeOne3Four Amen. Yahweh says in Is. 45:5 “ I am Yahweh, and there is no other, besides me there is no God”. Basic rule of grammar, singular personal pronouns refer to one person therefore Yahweh is one person but they rather ignore God’s own words and believe the words of men.
@@j.nelson2811 Yes indeed, basic grammar kills this ridiculous doctrine. And all these so called scholars with their Dr. PhD worldly titles, have problems dissecting a simple sentence, because their heresy will not alow them. That is how you KNOW you're in a cult. I have to disagree with you on the YHWH stuff. The Tetragrammaton and Yeshua are coming from the Kabbalah and have nothing whatsoever to do with the Bible. It is the Judaizers who came up with those occult names and you will only find them in Kabbalistic text. You might say, but it is in other Bibles. WELL, please watch this: /watch?v=CCf4KMvaULg&list=LL&index=8 Than make up your mind. The evidence is overwelming
@@j.nelson2811
Gen.1:26 And God said, Let us make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Do you notice the word our?
John.1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
@@sak415 Are you trying to imply that Gen. 1:26 negates over 20,000 uses of singular personal pronouns?
Many Trinitarian scholars including the ones who worked on the NIV study Bible understand that Gen. 1:26 is not the trinity speaking themselves or itself. This is what the NIV Study Bible says:
1.26 us…our…our. God speaks as the Creator-King, announcing his crowning work to the members of his heavenly court (see 3.22; 11.7; Isa 6.8; se also 1 Ki 22.19-23; Job 15.8; Jer 23.18).
Pray for Bart Erhman, that our Lord would have mercy on him. It doesn't matter how much or how knowledgeable Bart is on the scriptures, he needs God to open his heart to the gospel.
Do you understand that he is an apostate?!? What is there to pray for? There are milions of souls that are not definitely lost that need our prayers...
Don’t pray. Be a Calvinist. Gods steady fixed it all.
Decades of learning and critical scholarship? Pfft, who cares about that stuff - just so long as he believes!
Great explanation! Thank you Dr White.
Erhman is nothing more than a troll at this point. He knows what is taught and what Scripture is clear on. Please, PLEASE Dr. White, challenge him to debate the subject on the deity of Christ! He seems so proud of his last debate with you. Go get him! Solus Christus forever.
No where in Scripture does it say Jesus is Yahweh.
@@dustinellerbe4125 yawn.
@@djcraigg69 are you sleepy?
@@dustinellerbe4125 Hebrews 1
Bart wants 25k and all media rights to debate him. Mans a coward.
..remembering the Andy Griffith episode..pointing to the text " It's right there!" Thanks for all you do🙏
Great video as always. Can anyone direct me to a good discussion on the use of the word kyrios. I know it’s used as lord or master but also as LORD Yahweh but how does one know when it is used as one or the other?
Kurios is not Yahweh when applied to Jesus because Peter says in Acts 2:36 that God “has made him both Lord and Christ”. You can’t make someone Yahweh
Yeah I watch a couple debates with Bart Ehrman and Daniel B Wallace. And I seen that Bart Ehrman is not 100% true to the Greek text of the new testament. But Daniel B Wllace true to the Greek text. Now my question is this. How can Bart Ehrman call himself a scholar if he does not stay true to the Greek text to the best of his ability? That really irritates me that people do that. They put themselves out there as a expert on a subject matter. When in reality they are a joke! Geesh! Yes it does really irritate me!!!!
And where is the example?
"He's tilting at windmills" - I'd not heard this phrase/terminology before but going to try to use it from now on & see if anyone gives me a blank look, then reaches for their phone to g00gle it
....like I did! 🤔🤷♀️🤦♀️
Am i correct in understanding that it has a slightly similar meaning to 'making a straw man'? ie Figuratively attacking/destroying something that is imaginary/not reality.
Yes, with the important difference being that a strawman is supposed to somewhat look like a man, but a windmill looks nothing like the giants or knights or whatever Don Quixote thought he was fighting. Someone who is burning a strawman is attacking something that vaguely looks like a position , but isn't actually the position. One who is tilting at windmills is attacking something that isn't even what they think it is and looks nothing like the actual position. But the concepts are close enough that they are often interchangeable.
As this is a Calvinist channel, I'll give examples I've encountered while discussing Calvinism. A common strawman that comes up (annoyingly, even by Calvinists that don't fully understand the issues in play) is that Calvinism rejects free will entirely and holds to a fatalist or "exhaustive determinism" position. It would be more accurate to say that we reject libertarian and autonomous theories of human free will, but we hold to a compatiblist theory of free will. (Westminster Confession chapter 9 gives a good summary.) A complete rejection of any sort of human free will is characteristic of hyper-calvinism, which looks vaguely enough like Calvinism to act as a useful strawman for the anti-Calvinist.
I encountered a "provisionalist" pelagian who wanted to refute the "Calvinist" idea that God looks at our future human actions and uses that as a basis for our election from the foundation of the world. This is actually an Arminian idea, and one explicitly rejected by the Reformed confessions (e.g. Westminster 3.2). Here he is tilting at windmills as the thing he was actually fighting is not at all what he thought it was.
@@oracleoftroy Thanks for your input on this. I actually think I was most baffled by the word 'tilting'. I usually make a picture in my mind & 'see' if it makes sense in the context of which it was used. My first mindscape, saw my comparitively diminutive stature standing in front of a towering windmill, with my head side tilted to as close to 90°, as humanly possible. Internal monologue said "wow, that's huge!" and thus, did not at all get the gist. 🤔
When I g00gled the saying, I understood it's meaning but it made little sense until I found that 'tilting', is another term for jousting! Taa daah - confusion to correct conclusion in only a couple of 'tilts' of the head to read g00gle results on my phone! 🤣
Again, thanks for taking the time to express the diff between the two 'sayings'. I pretty much learn something interesting & insightful each time I listen to Dr J W - tho' on the odd day when I can't listen to a whole episode, I get a smile on my dial from whatever groovy 70s gear he's decided to don. 🤪
BTW - no shade throwing on James, we are the same age & I still possess my year 12 dinner dress & can fit & wear it to this day, without looking out of place. 😁
what is the software you're using there? for the greek, as well as the manuscript references?
For 2:30
John 12:41
Isaiah said this because he saw Jesus' glory( in Isaiah 6) and spoke about him.
John 8:58
"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"
Correct
Erhman knows what the evidence is and what it shows - and yet he willfully (just like the religious leaders in Jesus' day did) continues to double down on his refusal to acknowledge that. After all, he's got his book deals to protect so he can keep the money flowing.
You are delusional and it shows.
Gotta love Cosby sweater Augustinian Calvinist hour. It’s the satirical hero we don’t deserve.
Another attack on Jesus Christ. I grow weary in this battle, but I continue.
@Xiaoran Meng Paul said "I fought the good fight" Paul also said "For our battle is not against flesh but against spiritual powers" I guess neither the apostle Paul nor I know what we are talking about
"Well pftttttt", I love you Brother ! That was too funny.
You'd think if yahweh himself had become a man and walked on the earth, the early Christians would maybe mention it a few more times? Yet handful of references you can point to are dubious at best, often with manuscript variations that can change the meaning.
If they really believed that they were witnessing something as incredible as the God of the universe walking on the earth as a man, you'd think they would talk about it a little bit more. Makes me a bit suspicious.
Only one time is necessary.
B. B. Warfield on the 'Trinity" concerning Matthew 28:19 in the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia: This is a direct ascription to Yahweh, the God of Israel, of a threefold personality, and is therewith the direct enunciation of the doctrine of the Trinity. We are not witnessing here the birth of the doctrine of the Trinity; that is presupposed. What we are witnessing is the authoritative announcement of the Trinity as the God of Christianity by its Founder, in one of the most solemn of His recorded declarations. Israel had worshipped the one only true God under the Name of Yahweh; Christians are to worship the same one only and true God under the Name of "the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost." This is the distinguishing characteristic of Christians; and that is as much as to say that the doctrine of the Trinity is, according to our Lord's own apprehension of it, the distinctive mark of the religion which He founded.
This is a false equivocation. It does not state they are one being.
@@dustinellerbe4125 It does teach that 'name' is singular. It doesn't read "names."
@Jonathan Billings in the name of the father(Yahweh), Yahweh, Yahweh.??
No, it's in the name of the Father(yahweh), Jesus, and the Holy spirit.
Why conflate the 3 into one person?
In the name of God, the prophet Jesus, and the helper( Holy spirit)
@Jonathan Billings 3 Yahweh’s, or are they distinct characters that aren’t just Yahweh, or is Yahweh changing into each character?
@@dustinellerbe4125 This might help clear things up in a humorous way, Patrick.
ruclips.net/video/KQLfgaUoQCw/видео.html
He brought all the receipts 😳😮💨🤧
Bart taking the Mickey now
I got frustrated with this, because every translation I looked up isaiah 6 read “ the train of his robe.”. But then I checked the Septuagint. Why would John refer to a Hebrew text when writing a Greek work, and when the Greek text was readily available? It makes perfect sense.
Not that in his time the Hebrew contained the variant. Do we know for certain?
So our Heavenly Father cannot be glorified through His son without His son being Our Heavenly Father? Or a son of God cannot demonstrate glory without that son being God himself? What a joke! God in flesh, yes, God as flesh, no!! God was in Christ, God was not Christ. No need for Paul by inspiration to say God was in Christ if Christ was actually God himself, that would be redundant and as foolish as trinitarianism.
A voice of one calling: “In the wilderness prepare the way for the LORD; make straight in the desert a highway for our God. (Isaiah 40:3)
If the voice in the wilderness is " John the Baptist" ,. Whose way John is preparing ?
It's LORD ( YHWH) in the Tanakh
But John the Baptist , Applies to Jesus .
So , the Jesus is YHWH .
“I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
(Mattew 3:11)
John 1: 1 - 51 (1 - 18)
JST John 1: 1 - 51 (1 - 19)
JST John 1: 1 - In the beginning was the gospel preached through the Son. And the gospel was the word, and the word was with the Son, and the Son was with God, and the Son was of God.
Who knows what happened between 4100 B.C. and 3900 B.C.? Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ Judah (8 B.C. - 33 A.D.) NEVER claimed to have created anything in spite of the UNPROVEN CLAIMS of the apostle John Bar-Zebedee (1 - 100) (John 1: 1 - 51 (1 - 18), JST John 1 - 51 (1 - 19, 3)) and the apostle Paul of Tarsus (Saul Benjamin) (3 - 67) (Philippians 2: 1 - 30 (5 - 11), Colossians 1: 1 - 29 (9 - 18, 16), 1 Timothy 6: 1 - 21 (11 - 16), JST Colossians 1: 1 - 29 (9 - 18, 16), JST Philippians 2: 1 - 30 (5 - 11), JST 1 Timothy 6: 1 - 21 (11 - 16))!
Proverbs 8: 1 - 36 (22 - 31)
JST Proverbs 8: 1 - 36 (22 - 31)
The statement the prophet Isaiah Judah (770 B.C. - 690 B.C.) makes in Isaiah 9: 1 - 7 (6) (LDS BoM 2 Nephi 19: 1 - 21 (1 - 7, (6)) simply states that Jesus will be called "mighty God" AND NOT that Jesus is the mighty God which he denies in his prayer: John 17 - 1 - 5 (3). Jesus Christ Judah (8 B.C. - 33 A.D.) states in the WORD of GOD that his Heavenly Father is "the only true GOD".
RLDS-CoC BoM 2 Nephi 9: 1 - 137 (61 - 67, 66)
RLDS-CoC BoM 2 Nephi 9: 66 - For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder; and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace.
As for John's statement (John 8: 31 - 59), even though the apostle John (1 - 100) was uneducated and illiterate he records the conversation: The Jews once asked in incredulity "You are not yet fifty (50) years old and you have seen Abraham?!" Jesus replied, "Truly I say to you that before Abraham was born, I existed!" Our Lord and Savior DID NOT say "Truly I say to you that before Abraham was born, Jehovah!" The son of Jehovah God DID NOT say "Truly I say to you that before Abraham was born, I AM, even the great Jehovah!"
John 8: 1 - 59 (31 - 59, 54 - 59)
JST John 8: 1 - 59 (31 - 59, 54 - 59)
Our Lord and Savior was a poor day laborer and a carpenter (and a penniless skilled tradesman perhaps) who could read:
Luke 4: 1 - 44 (14 - 30)
Isaiah 58: 1 - 14 (6 - 9)
Isaiah 61: 1 - 11 (1 - 3)
JST Luke 4: 1 - 44 (13 - 30)
JST Isaiah 58: 1 - 14 (6 - 9)
JST Isaiah 61: 1 - 11 (1 - 3)
but he chose not to write:
John 8: 1 - 59 (1 - 11, 6)
JST John 8: 1 - 59 (1 - 11, 6)
but I DO NOT believe that (as the son of Jehovah God) his language skills in Hebrew and Aramaic were lacking! The only place where Jesus himself states that he is the God of Israel-Judah, the God of the Israelites-Jews, and the God of the Old Testament is found in the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants, for the son of God never himself makes this claim of Deity in the Bible. Others call Jesus God:
Isaiah 9: 1 - 21 (1 - 7, 6)
JST Isaiah 9: 1 - 21 (1 - 7, 6)
LDS 2 Nephi 19: 1 - 21 (1 - 7, 6)
RLDS-CoC 2 Nephi 9: 1 - 137 (61 - 81, 61 - 67, 66)
JST Isaiah 9: 6 - For unto us a child is born; unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder; and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace.
John 1: 1 - 51 (1 - 18, 1)
JST John 1: 1 - 51 (1 - 19, 1)
JST John 1: 1 - In the beginning was the gospel preached through the Son. And the gospel was the word, and the word was with the Son, and the Son was with God, and the Son was of God.
but Jesus himself states that his Father was the only true God (John 17: 1 - 5 (3)). Jesus Christ Judah (8 B.C. - 33 A.D.) as the Messiah-the Christ-the Anointed One is certainly no liar (John 17: 3)!
John 17: 1 - 26 (1 - 5, 3)
JST John 17: 1 - 26 (1 - 5, 3)
I personally DO NOT believe that Jesus Christ Judah (8 B.C. - 33 A.D.) is God the son, or the God of Israel-Judah, or the God of the Israelite-Jews, or the God of the Old Testament even though Jesus does indeed makes this claim in the Book of Mormon.
Jesus is indeed the son of our Heavenly Father Jehovah God (Yahweh Elohim Allah), he is the Messiah-the Christ-the Anointed One, the Lord, the King, the Savior, the son of man, a prophet, and the head of our Church.
Jesus said that his Heavenly Father is "the only true God" (John 17: 1 - 5 (3)) and that his Father sent him on his divine mission to complete his Holy ministry (29 - 34):
John 17: 1 - 26 (1 - 5, 3)
JST John 17: 1 - 26 (1 - 5, 3)
John 5: 1 - 47 (16 - 47, 22 - 23)
John 6: 1 - 71 (22 - 59, 38)
John 8: 1 - 59 (12 - 59, 31 - 59, 41 - 42, 54 - 58)
JST John 5: 1 - 48 (16 - 48, 22 - 23)
JST John 6: 1 - 71 (22 - 59, 38)
JST John 8: 1 - 59 (12 - 59, 31 - 59, 41 - 42, 54 - 58)
Acts 17: 1 - 34 (16 - 34, 22 - 34, 30 - 31)
JST Acts 17: 1 - 34 (16 - 34, 22 - 34, 30 - 31)
The name Yahweh or Jehovah can mean: I AM, HE IS, I EXIST, HE EXISTS, I WHO CAUSES TO BECOME, or I SHALL PROVE TO BE, etcetera.
Ego eimi is an Ancient Koine Greek word meaning "I am" or "I exist", which is the first person singular present active indicative of the verb "to be" in ancient Greek. When Jesus said Yahweh or I am, he was stating that "I existed"! The Lord stated out of his own mouth that his Heavenly Father was the only true God!
John 17: 1 - 26 (1 - 5, 3).
JST John 17: 3 - And this is life eternal, that they might know thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
The Jews once asked in incredulity "You are not yet fifty (50) years old and you have seen Abraham?!" Jesus replied, "Truly I say to you that before Abraham was born, I existed!" Our Lord and Savior DID NOT say "Truly I say to you that before Abraham was born, Jehovah!" The son of Jehovah God DID NOT say "Truly I say to you that before Abraham was born, I AM, even the great Jehovah!"
John 8: 1 - 59 (12 - 59, 31 - 59, 54 - 58)
JST John 8: 1 - 59 (12 - 59, 31 - 59, 54 - 58)
If our Lord and Savior even Jesus Christ Judah of Nazareth (8 B.C. - 33 A.D.) wanted to say that he was God in John 8: 58 he would have said: "Before Abraham was, I was Yahweh." BUT instead Jesus stated in John 8: 58: "Before Abraham was, Yahweh." The Greek means NOTHING because Jesus would have spoken those words in Hebrew or Aramaic! Furthermore, could you please show my ANY English language translation of the Holy Scriptures of the Bible where Jesus states in John 8: 58: "Before Abraham was, I was Yahweh." or "Before Abraham was, I was I AM."? Jesus Christ Judah (8 B.C. - 33 A.D.) simply states that he existed before the patriarch Abraham (Abram) (1872 B.C. - 1697 B.C.) (Proverbs 8: 1 - 36 (22 - 31)).
John 8: 1 - 59 (12 - 59, 31 - 59)
JST John 8: 1 - 59 (12 - 59, 31 - 59)
Once again, the OPINIONS of both the apostle Paul (Saul Benjamin) (3 - 67) (Hebrews 1: 1 - 14, 5 - 14)) and that of King David Judah (1040 B.C. - 970 B.C.) (Psalms 45: 1 - 17, 6 - 9)) is NOT supported by either the prophet Samuel Kohathite Ezrahite the Seer (1100 B.C. - 1012 B.C.) nor the prophet Nathan (1030 B.C. - 931 B.C.). Neither the prophet Samuel the Seer nor the prophet Nathan ever talked about the Trinity.
How this disingenuous charlatan was awarded a PhD from Princeton is baffling. Edwards and Warfield must be turning in their graves.
The White horse rider in Revelation with a bow means this is his tongue is bowed. He is a liar and the father of it,
Bart Ehrman denied that you ask him for a debate. Not alone ask for the media rights! He asked you to provide evidence. Do you have any evidence ?
Deuteronomy 6:4 hear, O Israel, the LORD our God ; the LORD is one !
Which does nothing to prove Jesus isn't God.
Genesis 19:24 " Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven."
The LORD ... from the LORD out of heaven." "I and my Father are one" "My Father which is in heaven"
@@smidlee7747 Thus, proving Jesus is God.
I hope Bart watch this video, and how in the world did Bart end up getting a phd ?
Thank Jehovah God I no longer believe in this confusing doctrine of the Trinity. There wasn't an issue in the early days of the Apostles about the Trinity because they didn't teach it, nor Christ taught it. But as Jesus said, that upon his return to the Father, that wolves would come in. This Trinity doctrine came into being upon the arrival of the Roman Catholic church, and spread throughout Christendom. It has caused division and bloodshed ever since. So much division and confusion exists today because of this lie. Jesus was explicitly clear in John 17:3...Jesus here only mentions the Father and himself, noone else. The truth matters.
ruclips.net/video/eGOf5pKbiNw/видео.html
Wow! Textual variants! Oh, "i wish the NAS had....." This is how difficult it is to prove the Deity? Looks like the average Christian, believes because people like JW tell them it's so. What incredible gymnastics of the word to prove the Deity. By the way, Neither Isaiah or Peter are discussing the Deity. Rip a text out of is context and make it your pre-text.
Then show a verse where someone proclaims “God In 3 persons “ or “3 in 1 “
If it’s really true
Read John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word is God!
@@TheMasterTechie the word there is the the word of Life spoken by the father through the man jesus read 1st John
The word of eternal life was with the father in plan and the word was God cuz jesus lieterly said in John the words i speak are not mine but his who sent me( the fathers words not his )
Jesus said the words he speaks are spirit and life ,and jesus said his words weren’t his own
Jesus has the Words of eternal life spoken by the father (1st John 1 )
John 12:49
For I did not speak from Myself, but the Father Himself, having sent Me, gave Me a commandment, what I should say and what I should speak(does God need to be commanded ?)
What does the spoken words of eternal life have to do with jesus being God? In 1st John 1 ?
@@TheMasterTechie also I don’t see 3 in one there
@@DRChubs_ Jesus Christ who is the Logos Word of God is and present in the Godhead! True, in his humanity did all that God the Father commandment, but does this take away or make him any lesser of being from what he previously enjoyed before incarnating into a human body? Phillipians tells us in chapter 2 that he was in the form of God did not find it robbery equal with God but made Himself of no reputation...
@@TheMasterTechie then why did jesus say the words and works I do aren’t mine but him who sent me
You got 2 words there
I suggest You brother Kel ( RUclips ) on Philippians 2 please be open hearted he opened my eyes from the human doctrine of the trinity
Charles Spurgeon
i recall Thomas calling Jesus my Lord and my God...
False
@@briankregg6329 See John 20:28.
@@fredrolinners8903 go back and read that, he never said " you are my lord and my God " his response was equivalent to the conversation with Phillip, " if you have seen me, you have seen the Father " scripture has to be that way as not to contradict itself. Jesus said the Father is the ONLY TRUE GOD. That eliminates Jesus.
@@briankregg6329 Thomas "said to Him" my Lord and my God. This shows it is in reference to Jesus.
BDAG (3rd Edition): Concerning John 20:28 states that theos "certainly refers to Christ" (theos, page 450).
@@fredrolinners8903 that is fine, if you have seen Christ you have seen the Father, the Father does the works and no greater work than the resurrection of Jesus. The only true God was clearly on display right in front of Thomas. Jesus isn't the only true God but he sure made Him known , which is btw, the point of us following Christ's example
Pray for Bart Ehrman and his salvation. He has been blinded by the enemy because of his pride. He is lost. He is now headed for eternal separation from God!
One thing both Erman and White agree upon is that the KJV is not without error and it's underlying Greek T.R. manuscript is definitely not the best Greek manuscripts. So since they are both reading from the same Vaticanus-Sinaticus Greek manuscripts that degrade the deity of Christ at nearly every chance( 1 time 3:16 For example), they make these kind of long-winded debates possible. So then J.W. can pat himself on the back as a defender of the faith.
1 Peter 3:15 was mentioned in the video. The KJV can't be used to demonstrate the deity of Christ in this passage.
@@fredrolinners8903 In 1 peter 3:15 they add Christ where it doesn't belong, to justify the modern Bible scribes removing of hundreds or dirty references and demoting a Jesus from a child to a servant and deceive the simple minded young christians into trading the liberty and freedoms of the Bible the United States and the internet were founded upon.
That's ok we already know the world council of churches is communist.
@@ahammer7000 Thus, 1 Peter 3:15 shows the deity of Christ in a version such as the NASB. The KJV doesn't teach this truth in this verse.
@@fredrolinners8903 Not every verse is meant to teach that. We already know Jesus Christ is Lord from the hundreds of places that the NASB has removed his Diety and the Trinity, like in 1 John 5:7.
If I were you I quit the World council of churches communist bible society, get you a Authorized Version Bible that God used to build his Gospel mission USA the KJV. If you don't like it, then you will take it up with him on judgment day.
@@ahammer7000 If I were you I would look into this issue in more detail because in addition to 1 Peter 3:15 the NASB teaches the deity of Christ in John 14:14 much clearer than the KJV.
Peter was an experiential Trinitarian? Where do you get these ideas from James? What was Jesus message in ACTS 2? How did Peter reply when Jesus asked him who he was? Do you get these ideas from 1 Peter 1:2? If you do sir then you are truly lost because there is no Triune God in that passage. Of course, you may well imagine it in the text because you can count 1, 2 and 3 but that's not what Peter is on about
In Acts 2:21 it is taught the Lord Jesus is YHWH (cf. Joel 3:5 LXX).
@@fredrolinners8903 We had this same discussion before. You do not listen
@@grantknott I did nt listen because you refused to believe the Lord Jesus poured out the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:33) and that He is the Lord in Acts 2:21.
Your heresy was so easliy refuted.
@@fredrolinners8903 Acts 2:36 Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has MADE him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.” Nuff said
@@grantknott When was Jesus MADE Lord and Christ?
Ehrman is so dishonest.
No he isnt.
Good point. I think that too often NT scholars, even secular ones like Ehrman, try to defend the NT from itself. I respect the fact that Dr. White calls it like it is, but it's beyond me how he finds what the NT does to be somehow compatible with Tanakh even when it stands in direct contradiction.
Jesus is not Yahweh he's the Son of Yahweh.
"The Spirit of the Lord Jehovah is upon me; because Jehovah hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the broken-hearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; to proclaim the year of Jehovah’s favor, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
Isaiah 61:1-2
"The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Servant Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied before the face of Pilate, when he had determined to release him."
Acts 3:13
"Jehovah saith unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, Until I make thine enemies thy footstool."
Psalms 110:1 ASV
Jesus is "my God" (John 20:28).
Why do some Rabbis say that Jesus and Paul are the two that are spoken about in Deuteronomy 13 ?
I haven't heard that, so I'd guess they are saying that even though they worked miracles, they are false prophets who contradict the Jewish Bible as that passage warns against and so should be rejected.
Any so called rabbi who does not believe in Yeshua is a fraud
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The father is greater than the son
Functional subjection does not necessitate ontological inferiority (Luke 2:51; Ephesians 5:24).
Wouldn't it be great if the bible stated, "I, Jesus am God"? That would be nice. Jesus never said, He is God, John said He was, Matthew, Mark, and Luke are mum about it. Jesus is the Son of God and Savior of the World.
Jesus is "my God" (John 20:28).
@@kardiognostesministries8150 It should be noted that the verse does not explicitly assign the title “God” to Jesus. It does not read, “You are my Lord and my God,” instead, Thomas simply says both of these titles and we must use context to determine what is being referred to by Thomas. Jesus had not taught Thomas that he was God, so that would be strange for Thomas to conclude. On the other hand, we do see that Jesus taught Thomas in John 14:9 that, “Whoever has seen Me has seen the Father,” and in John 10:32 and John 14:10 that the works Jesus does are the Father’s works, and in John 12:49-50 that Jesus’ words are from the Father. Thus, the idea that God the Father works through Jesus is clear from the book of John and what Jesus directly taught Thomas, but the idea that Jesus is God is not taught by Jesus or John anywhere.
@@bizdude57 Just as Jesus is his "Lord", so too, is Jesus his "God".
Concerning John 20:28 the BDAG (3rd Edition) states that theos "certainly refers to Christ" (theos, page 450).
@@kardiognostesministries8150 34 Jesus answered, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, you are gods’? 35 If those people to whom the word of God came were called ‘gods’ (and the scripture cannot be broken), 36 do you say about the one whom the Father set apart and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I AM THE SON OF GOD? Even if I agreed with BDAG, read that little word, "certainly" how about absolutely, definitely, etc. Important to do your own study without using Trinitarians as your sources.
@@bizdude57 Certainly means the same thing as absolutely and definitely.
The problem with those who don't approve of so-called "Trinitarian sources" is that where are the Greek lexicons produced by any Unitarian?
The Son of God (John 20:31) is "my God" (John 20:28).
One truth doesn't refute another truth.
Both are true.
Dr White, I am stunned that you pay ANY attention to Bart Ehrman! He is a Christ deny-er and as such is ABJECTLY unqualified to expound upon, teach or even discuss things spiritual (1Cor. 2:14)! As a saved scholar, with all due respect, I urge you to IGNORE this reprobate! Your energies could be far better served in your evangelistic endeavors.
Bart Ehrman is absolutely spot on when he says that Jesus is not Yahweh. It's unfathomable to me that a person such yourself Mr White has built so many debates and sermons etc on a human invention such as the Trinity and that Jesus is God. How many times in the bible is the term God mentioned? Many thousands of times. How many times does he describe himself as a Triune God? Zilch! Does that tell you anything? How many times does Jesus teach us that he is part of some Triune God? Zilch! Come on James. Don't you think it's time to stop fabricating this credal idol?
Since the Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of prayer demonstrates He is God (Romans 10:13).
@@fredrolinners8903 Haha, you're at it again I see. You still haven't learned, have you? The last time I saw your name was in a debate/conversation was with Henry Odera via this same platform a couple of weeks ago. He answered all your questions and more straight from the scriptures and you were left with nothing. Romans 10:13? I see you're stretching again...Ok, God gets things done by means of His Anointed One, His Christ. For example, the Bible shows us that God ruled and judged Israel through His Anointed, King David (see 2 Samuel 23:1, lit. "Christ of God."). David was the Lord (Kyrios) of Israel. So we see, for example, that Yahweh was the Lord of Israel and David was the Lord of Israel (1 Kings 1:36). The authority structure with God and Jesus is exactly the same. God made David the Lord of Israel and now God has made David's son Jesus the Lord of all the world. We would not assume that David is Yahweh because God had made him Lord. There are so many other things to add but I'll just leave it at that for the time being
@@grantknott I still haven't learned to embrace the heresy you hold to and the ridiculous arguments you also have.
David was not lord in that he is the proper recipient of prayer. I mentioned "Lord" and in "prayer" in my very short previous post but obviously you still couldn't "see" it.
No New Testament text has David being referred to based on an Old Testament text concerning YHWH - and definitely not one about being prayed to.
But concerning Jesus there is ("see" my previous post).
@@fredrolinners8903 Your credal idol does not enable you to “see” it. Who made Jesus lord? 36 Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.” So if you took notice of my last post, you would “see” that when we call on Jesus ( Romans 10:13) we call on the father’s authority. Jesus is sitting on God’s right hand. His throne, his authority. The man, Jesus has been glorified. He is our king, our exemplar, our mediator, he pleads for us. Yes, Jesus our lord, the messiah has conquered the world and all authority has been GIVEN to him. Jesus died, God cannot die. Jesus is not ashamed to call us his brothers. Is God our brother or our father?
@@grantknott I know we can call on Jesus, but He is to be called on knowing He is YHWH for Paul cited Joel 3:5 LXX in view of Him.
I have always enjoyed your commentaries, James. But somewhere along the way, James, you have allowed yourself to become somewhat arrogant and exceedingly condescending in the manner in which you address some topics, and others. You often speak of your debating counterparts as drawing or "burning strawman" arguments. And yet, this is what you did early on in this video when attempting to somehow disclaim Dr Ehrman's points. "Really?" you state. "Well, there were those strange things that Justin Martyr said to stifle the Jew..." Included in your ego-maniacal review of Bart's statement, was your "Weasel words" phrase. I don't know what kind of argument that qualifies as, but blatantly arrogant in the manner you address this topic.
Your arrogance and ego-centric method that has become more profound over the years is too just too much. You lost me as a listener. But... I wish you peace.
You just can't listen. He is not arrogant. He is just proclaiming the truth. And helping Christians not to believe in Fallse Doctrines!
It is just his personality . He has a strong personality. I don't like listening to him before but I realized that he is a passionate Christian. I love listening to him now.
@@samuelaguilar9668 I would never disagree that he is a passionate Christian - I believe many are. But, caution needs to be exercised by us all, regardless of our contributions to Christianity and apologetics, so that we remain humble and not arrogant
Have peace
@@johnnylnowlin yeah you're right. But let's not also be quick to judge because someone has a different personality than ours we would judge them that they are already arrogant. I have a strong personality. And I disliked James White before because i don't like when he speak. But I watched his other videos and have understood that he has a strong personality like me . I became patient with him and i love listening to him now.. Btw, All of us are prone to pride and arrogance. If you think that James White is proud. Don't be quick to judge. Let's examine ourselves as well if we are proud and arrogant. The Lord sees our hearts.
If you think you are standing strong, be careful not to fall.
1 Corinthians 10:12 NLT
The New Testament is a compilation of books by Israelite authors who had opposing views. They are apologetic books pushing the views of each Jesus group. There is not one single view in the new testament.
For example?
@@fredrolinners8903 each author has their own perspective on who Jesus was, where he came from, what he did, what he said, what he taught, differences in birth, differences in divinity, differences in how to act and rituals. There are many many studies on these topics by scholars that you can look up if you want more specifics. Or I can give you specific examples.
@@dustinellerbe4125 Each author believed the Lord Jesus is God.
@@fredrolinners8903 no they did not. Where are you getting that from? Not one author states that Jesus is the Father. The most high. The God of Israel.
@@dustinellerbe4125 What you described is Modalism, not Trinitarianism. Every author believed the Lord Jesus is God, not the Father.
Lol Christians are so hostile when they get exposed. Bart destroys your mythology easily.
What mythology are you talking about ? Jesus is Lord period
@@raymondaustin7994 Great point.
A good example of bad acting.