@@-KIMISAFOX i think some of us just like the game that much i love this game too, don't want to see it die, i do think enough of us that love The Finals too much to quit are around for the game to live on though.
@XueYlva If you like the game why parrot the dead game topic RUclipsrs did just for views. THE FINALS is far from dying. Over 600,000 people loged on to play yesterday. That's like saying I hope my healthy teenage son doesn't die of old age next year.
Please make more of these videos! I listen to a lot of Podcast channels and I would really love if there's a podcast episode every now and then specifically towards my favorite game.
@@Appoh Definitely would watch and share. Lots of good topics to talk about, and can even have a short segment which y'all answer questions from the community. Keep up the great work!
I want to see winch claw have a lasso wind up animation for one second before throwing it. I was so surprised when it came out that it instantly fired with no readability. You can't visually see it coming and dodge it.
playing all classes is a big flex, also playing off-meta, or in a very unpredictable way is OP asf. Light main s1/s2 with occasional medium, heavy main s3 (winch hammer rpg).
Amazing video, thanks Appoh and Lycommit. As an experienced player, I've been thinking of small ways to improve my game. Crazy enough, I was going to ask you to consider a video to cover topics like these, on your next stream. Low and behold, this comes out hours later! It also covers a lot of great macro strategy that I see I'm missing out on as someone who solo queues a lot. I'm looking forward to your series of new videos, selfishly I hope you lean into tips for experienced players.
They should add SBMM and properly tune it constantly. It’s a funny coincidence that Lycommit was in the video because, when I solo queue, I keep getting matched against him and other streamers who are 3-stacking, while my teammates are literally beginners at the game.
Please you guys make a monthly Finals podcast or sth, chill af yapping about the best shooter out there, great stuff (and great gameplay in background lol)! 😁 My #1 wish for the game is test server.
I think the point is other aspects of the game are not in a good spot, like how nobody complained about model until fcar nerf, nerfing everything from the top has made model feel bad but relative to other stuff it wasnt that bad. and light is actually good, its stuff like heal beam and rpg holding it back
With what feels like 90% of players being casual, it only makes sense to cater to the majority IMO. They could always have a special offshoot ranked rebalance. Sort of how they rebalanced stuff for the terminal attack mode.
I love this game. I'm only a silver but I've been grinding and I haven't stopped I played about 5 hours a day I'm still trash I still love this game what I like about it is the room for improvement
As new heavy player.. I have to request my kills 1-3 business days ahead of time if I want to use the M60 .. and I need a helmet if I'm using the Lewis... Shotguns can be good, but they aren't fun to use and unforgiving if you're missing shots .. so I'm left with flamethrower and sledge... Fun, but I wish I had more options for weapons...like a D50 or a railgun haha
Hey I've noticed that controller players have zero chance against PC players, all that recoil nerf they did to weapons is ridiculous, it's uncontrollable on console, I stopped playing this game precisely because of that, I was a heavy player but they nerfed the best weapons I had, now I'm basically a great target shooter
My friend plays on console, I play on PC. He pretty much exclusively plays heavy, and hits some nasty sprays pretty often. Maybe it's more of an issue at higher levels, but we have a lot of fun playing together
What if for the gas and pyro mines they made them node based instead of a single placement object since pyro and gas damage rely on continued exposure in order to do a decent amount of damage it would also bring in a lot of creativity to using them and increase their use case. They could also make them have a system where the nodes can connect within 5-7 meters of each other and release at the same time in order to create some sort of field of gas/fire and more securely grant kills
40:10 Was this what happened with CL-40? Where they saw that CL-40 mains clapped with the weapon because we put a ton of time into finessing it so they nerfed it? Because it was far from overpowered, but it got a huge nerf anyway
@@telesnow Yeah, even as someone who's really enjoying the weapon being powerful again, I'd like to see a base damage reduction WITH the return of the direct impact bonus. That would mean that peak damage would still be really powerful, but just spamming and not actually hitting anybody wouldn't be so destructive. If I had to choose between keeping it as it is and getting a straight nerf though, I'd keep it as is. It's not /that/ oppressive, it's just wildly annoying when it's triple stacked 😂
Another thing that embark needs to fix is cash outs, spawning right next to each other. i’m trying to defend our attack cash out A and cash out B is 70 m away from the cash out A and. I’m getting grenade spammed and grieved by the players who are sitting on Cash out B. I don’t know why they just don’t spawn the cash outs across the map from each other or had a certain distance that the cash outs have the spawn.
I recently starting playing, I’m so confused when you guys say to “double up” or “stack” or any other slang, do you guys some kind of guidelines for the slangs or could you make a video explaining the terminologies, I would 1000% appreciate it!
OG Luis gun did 25 damage. He did more damage than all of the medium AR’s. I’m pretty sure the damage Nerf gun was needed it 22 damage now pretty good. I don’t know why they touch the recoil.
@@PearheadGuy unfortunately its very exclusive, if you are known you might get invited or if you can get a link you will have to go through a trial run. Meaning you need to prove yourself in scrims and either get voted in or out. Mxkx runs them so find his twitch and ask there
I feel it would be interesting if pyro equipment could burn through wooden structures but not concrete or metal and gass would meet pyro and both would cancel each other out instead of pyro > gas only
@@robertwhite174 yet gas doesn't counter smoke/cans, right now gas needs some other use so it's not completely shut down as an option by gadgets and a heavy weapon
@@seanhoncho4348 I haven't tried it recently, but at one point in time you could combine gas and smoke and that would cause it to be invulnerable to pyro
@@Kovacsg729 then just dont fight more than one team really. If it gets super congested on a cashout you own get you and ur tm8s to run away and only defend if they stealing, or a team wins coz they’ll probs be low or missing tm8s. The key to winning is to not fight lol
Love the vid and all the finals content you’ve been putting out recently. I find myself completely disagreeing with you and lycommit on how cashout should play but I respect the takes regardless 😂. Not sure if I’m coming back to main the game until third party stops being the meta strategy personally.
Another Nerf for heavy, you shouldn’t be able to shoot through dome shield. I think it’s really overpowered and no one in the community has really brought it up. You can be one shot and then in an instant you have 300 health. I have turned on so many people by doing this. It’s so broken. If they nerf dome shield and heavy like this would be a good nerve. And obviously RPG charge and slam and winch claw
You're crazy. Dome Shield is so weak post multiple nerfs. When I see a low hp Heavy I mag dump the shield in 1.5 sec & then I have the rest of the match to finish them off because they can never heal😂 The only thing it is really good for is bobbing in & out of during a fight. Heavy is in such a nerfed state as it is. We need to be talking about how to buff Heavy without making it broken.
@@-KIMISAFOX exactly idk wtf dude talking about some shield been trash ever since they nerf it Heavy is barely playable now I’d rather use the spear instead of the guns
Nobody brought it up because nobody thinks it's overpowered. lol What's the point of a dome Shield if you could shoot through it? lol As a matter of fact, its feels so weak that I rarely use it in my Arsenal. Usually people who complain about it are Call of Duty light players. lol
3 weeks ago I wasn’t even close to WT top 500. Today I’m a little bit in front of you in the leaderboard Appoh, will be a close battle to the end! Cheers!
Best cashout player is crazy to say😂 there’s no esports or skill ranking so that’s not fair to say. I’m on xbox and if I was put on a god team against another we would win everytime no matter who it’s against
Players like neteX, commit, gigz, balise, miki, robinski, etelco etc are all considered great if not exceptional players from historical leaderboard positions on top of competing in Community / Organised Tournaments such as the Breakout eSports Series. This game requires everyone to be firing on full cylinders and no one can be slacking, especially in organised play, quite frankly most of the top players don’t play the game the same as 99% of the playerbase. Thinking that you can just fit into any top squad is some wild aspirations but it simply doesn’t work like that
u can "teach" someone 100 tips and THEY COULD LEARN those tips..but if they simply have shid aim and bad game sense/iq/team coordination...they will never succeed. you can only teach game sense/iq so much, hence why some of us are naturally better than others without any formal "training" in gaming.
The only reason they won that twitch rivals is cause they were playing against other content creators that never played the game 😂😂😂. Completly unfair tbh. What they shouldve done was distribute the "pros" evenly. Those other content creators didnt have fun getting dumped on, so their viewer saw they weren't having fun, now they probabaly won't play the game
yeah twitch rivals and embark coulda hosted that a bit better but tbf, that's how literally every twitch rivals goes, it's all meant to just be entertaining and fun, to outside viewers they probably don't know the community enough to even care. Hopefully we get some more thought cuz i loved watching it
@@Appoh getting stomped on it’s not entertaining imo well for me it’s not That twitch rivals was really some bs was nobody trynna attack Gigzs team that was irritating to watch everybody scared of one person
@@GloGangPromoterr if you watch thiixys video you can see gigz team actually had the most kills. They were 100 being attacked they just had such good tempo control and positioning you might not have noticed it but they were involved in so many fights
@@Appoh True I’m pretty sure they was involved in fights but for most part when I was watching it live everybody literally seemed scared to even challenge his team ik I’m not tripping it probably wasn’t like that for the whole tournament but definitely the start of it
Hey man thanks for keeping w the finals content. I don't want this game to die
What do you mean? This is a great game with a pretty healthy player base. It will be fine for yrs to come
@@-KIMISAFOX i think some of us just like the game that much
i love this game too, don't want to see it die, i do think enough of us that love The Finals too much to quit are around for the game to live on though.
@XueYlva If you like the game why parrot the dead game topic RUclipsrs did just for views. THE FINALS is far from dying. Over 600,000 people loged on to play yesterday.
That's like saying I hope my healthy teenage son doesn't die of old age next year.
@@XueYlva simply the most fun and exciting shooter out there
@@-KIMISAFOXthat’s a fair point, any time the “game is dying” idea is parroted it slowly puts a negative association on The Finals
I queued WT into lycommit's team recently, final round was insane they were so coordinated we had no chance
that’s crazy bro
fr he dominated me the other day in WT, guy doesn’t miss with the bow
professional yappers get a load of those guys
fr just a buncha canadian hosers yappin
@@Appoh can't believe when canadians talk, that their heads just do that
Yeah commit, give me that load
Please make more of these videos! I listen to a lot of Podcast channels and I would really love if there's a podcast episode every now and then specifically towards my favorite game.
I might have to make a new youtube channel for it
@@Appoh Definitely would watch and share. Lots of good topics to talk about, and can even have a short segment which y'all answer questions from the community. Keep up the great work!
I want to see winch claw have a lasso wind up animation for one second before throwing it. I was so surprised when it came out that it instantly fired with no readability. You can't visually see it coming and dodge it.
I just want the wrap and pull animation to be faster so I’m not stunned for so long. The pull is good enough.
playing all classes is a big flex, also playing off-meta, or in a very unpredictable way is OP asf. Light main s1/s2 with occasional medium, heavy main s3 (winch hammer rpg).
Amazing video, thanks Appoh and Lycommit. As an experienced player, I've been thinking of small ways to improve my game. Crazy enough, I was going to ask you to consider a video to cover topics like these, on your next stream. Low and behold, this comes out hours later! It also covers a lot of great macro strategy that I see I'm missing out on as someone who solo queues a lot. I'm looking forward to your series of new videos, selfishly I hope you lean into tips for experienced players.
What people don't understand is third party in this part of the strategy
I’ll definitely keep supporting finals creators like you and thixxy, I love this game and definitely would like to see it take off
Love this kind of thing! Im new to the game and all of this was new to me.
They should add SBMM and properly tune it constantly. It’s a funny coincidence that Lycommit was in the video because, when I solo queue, I keep getting matched against him and other streamers who are 3-stacking, while my teammates are literally beginners at the game.
At the moment. I don’t think there is enough players to fully skill base it. If your gold 1, say hello to the top players
@@Chazinthius I'm not playing frequently, I'm currently at silver 1 💀🤡
Please you guys make a monthly Finals podcast or sth, chill af yapping about the best shooter out there, great stuff (and great gameplay in background lol)! 😁
My #1 wish for the game is test server.
More long form podcast type videos for me to sleep to please. I love you ❤️
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Free tips, absolutely mind blown
Great vid as always!
Appoh quickly becoming one of my favorite creators in this space
Such great content dude ❤ good vibes and good feedback
Hey Appoh, played you in world tour you went 9-1. enjoy your content man keep it up.
“Model and light are in a good spot” is the most horrendous take yet
I think the point is other aspects of the game are not in a good spot, like how nobody complained about model until fcar nerf, nerfing everything from the top has made model feel bad but relative to other stuff it wasnt that bad. and light is actually good, its stuff like heal beam and rpg holding it back
With what feels like 90% of players being casual, it only makes sense to cater to the majority IMO. They could always have a special offshoot ranked rebalance. Sort of how they rebalanced stuff for the terminal attack mode.
Commit is the goat! Thanks for making this.
@@ericb9328 he truly is
I love this game. I'm only a silver but I've been grinding and I haven't stopped I played about 5 hours a day I'm still trash I still love this game what I like about it is the room for improvement
Best Finals channel tbh
amazing content bro keep it up
Thanks for helping us
As new heavy player.. I have to request my kills 1-3 business days ahead of time if I want to use the M60 .. and I need a helmet if I'm using the Lewis... Shotguns can be good, but they aren't fun to use and unforgiving if you're missing shots .. so I'm left with flamethrower and sledge... Fun, but I wish I had more options for weapons...like a D50 or a railgun haha
@@ChrisFromNY I feel that. I’ve had decent luck bum rushing then hip firing the m60 from close range. Not pretty, but it wins most 1v1s.
Hey I've noticed that controller players have zero chance against PC players, all that recoil nerf they did to weapons is ridiculous, it's uncontrollable on console, I stopped playing this game precisely because of that, I was a heavy player but they nerfed the best weapons I had, now I'm basically a great target shooter
My friend plays on console, I play on PC. He pretty much exclusively plays heavy, and hits some nasty sprays pretty often. Maybe it's more of an issue at higher levels, but we have a lot of fun playing together
I just got aim diffed by Balise, I need this lol
I’ll have to disagree to nerfing the model. I think it’s a pure skill weapon, and if you miss you’re more than likely losing the gun fight.
What if for the gas and pyro mines they made them node based instead of a single placement object since pyro and gas damage rely on continued exposure in order to do a decent amount of damage it would also bring in a lot of creativity to using them and increase their use case. They could also make them have a system where the nodes can connect within 5-7 meters of each other and release at the same time in order to create some sort of field of gas/fire and more securely grant kills
40:10 Was this what happened with CL-40? Where they saw that CL-40 mains clapped with the weapon because we put a ton of time into finessing it so they nerfed it? Because it was far from overpowered, but it got a huge nerf anyway
season 4 overbuffed it lowkey
@@telesnow Yeah, even as someone who's really enjoying the weapon being powerful again, I'd like to see a base damage reduction WITH the return of the direct impact bonus. That would mean that peak damage would still be really powerful, but just spamming and not actually hitting anybody wouldn't be so destructive. If I had to choose between keeping it as it is and getting a straight nerf though, I'd keep it as is. It's not /that/ oppressive, it's just wildly annoying when it's triple stacked 😂
yea the way lycommit thinks is almost as how i think, and ppl disagree with me alot, i hope this opened their COD Brains lol
Another thing that embark needs to fix is cash outs, spawning right next to each other. i’m trying to defend our attack cash out A and cash out B is 70 m away from the cash out A and. I’m getting grenade spammed and grieved by the players who are sitting on Cash out B.
I don’t know why they just don’t spawn the cash outs across the map from each other or had a certain distance that the cash outs have the spawn.
I recently starting playing, I’m so confused when you guys say to “double up” or “stack” or any other slang, do you guys some kind of guidelines for the slangs or could you make a video explaining the terminologies, I would 1000% appreciate it!
@@criptowit i sometimes forget this, i got you on this for sure give me a few weeks
OG Luis gun did 25 damage. He did more damage than all of the medium AR’s. I’m pretty sure the damage Nerf gun was needed it 22 damage now pretty good. I don’t know why they touch the recoil.
exactly, the recoil should have been reverted to make it easier, would be much better for the game imo
Exactly that’s all they have to do
Here's the real question: barrier or dome shield? 😎
When they say scrims, I assume they mean scrimmages and are referring to quickplay??? Like Powershift and such???
no private matches with like the best players, pro scrims/ pick up groups etc.
There was a twitch rivals tournament?
@@snaggyak yea there was early s3
EKAZO MENTIONED!!!!!!
I love this game, but WT just isn't doing it for me right now. Does anyone know where I could get in on scrims or other organized matches?
@@PearheadGuy unfortunately its very exclusive, if you are known you might get invited or if you can get a link you will have to go through a trial run. Meaning you need to prove yourself in scrims and either get voted in or out. Mxkx runs them so find his twitch and ask there
@@Appoh Alright, thanks for the info.
I feel it would be interesting if pyro equipment could burn through wooden structures but not concrete or metal and gass would meet pyro and both would cancel each other out instead of pyro > gas only
Powder/smoke can cancel pyro
@@robertwhite174 yet gas doesn't counter smoke/cans, right now gas needs some other use so it's not completely shut down as an option by gadgets and a heavy weapon
@@seanhoncho4348 I haven't tried it recently, but at one point in time you could combine gas and smoke and that would cause it to be invulnerable to pyro
hey i use that same arm sleeve
Do you use the pre lubed ones? The non lubed pulls my arm hairs 😜
They need ranked cashout back so badly every wt game is a bot lobby its so rare to have a competitive match
lycommit is my favorite finals femboy
Yes a new video 🎉🎉🎉
buff m60! please!
Lycommit is crazy
im on a 30 streak in WT, oce queueing asia btw. truth is all you need is cracked aim, cracked teammates and not to fight more than 1 team at once
Cant do that with randoms :(
@@Kovacsg729 then just dont fight more than one team really. If it gets super congested on a cashout you own get you and ur tm8s to run away and only defend if they stealing, or a team wins coz they’ll probs be low or missing tm8s. The key to winning is to not fight lol
CL needs some of its nerfs reverting or a different buff to counter it 😥
true
they should remove moving platform cash outs and get rid of turret start up time should be instant
I like third parties. I don't third party. But it keeps you on your toes. It keeps your skill base at the max. No different from call of duty
Please make a updated guide for season 4 pls
@@soybeans1380 its in the works
Love the vid and all the finals content you’ve been putting out recently. I find myself completely disagreeing with you and lycommit on how cashout should play but I respect the takes regardless 😂.
Not sure if I’m coming back to main the game until third party stops being the meta strategy personally.
well we mainly talk about the most effective way to play the game, not the way that it should be. the devs made the game, the players min maxed it :p
Another Nerf for heavy, you shouldn’t be able to shoot through dome shield. I think it’s really overpowered and no one in the community has really brought it up. You can be one shot and then in an instant you have 300 health. I have turned on so many people by doing this. It’s so broken. If they nerf dome shield and heavy like this would be a good nerve. And obviously RPG charge and slam and winch claw
AGREEEEED
You're crazy. Dome Shield is so weak post multiple nerfs. When I see a low hp Heavy I mag dump the shield in 1.5 sec & then I have the rest of the match to finish them off because they can never heal😂
The only thing it is really good for is bobbing in & out of during a fight.
Heavy is in such a nerfed state as it is. We need to be talking about how to buff Heavy without making it broken.
💀
@@-KIMISAFOX exactly idk wtf dude talking about some shield been trash ever since they nerf it Heavy is barely playable now I’d rather use the spear instead of the guns
Nobody brought it up because nobody thinks it's overpowered. lol What's the point of a dome Shield if you could shoot through it? lol As a matter of fact, its feels so weak that I rarely use it in my Arsenal. Usually people who complain about it are Call of Duty light players. lol
3 weeks ago I wasn’t even close to WT top 500. Today I’m a little bit in front of you in the leaderboard Appoh, will be a close battle to the end! Cheers!
W video
I love how this guy is having a professional interview like he just hit a million subscribers. 😂😂 Hilarious. 😆
My issue with cashout is how the most important vaults are the last vault yet the time is far more constraint. Double negative.
Best cashout player is crazy to say😂 there’s no esports or skill ranking so that’s not fair to say. I’m on xbox and if I was put on a god team against another we would win everytime no matter who it’s against
Players like neteX, commit, gigz, balise, miki, robinski, etelco etc are all considered great if not exceptional players from historical leaderboard positions on top of competing in Community / Organised Tournaments such as the Breakout eSports Series.
This game requires everyone to be firing on full cylinders and no one can be slacking, especially in organised play, quite frankly most of the top players don’t play the game the same as 99% of the playerbase.
Thinking that you can just fit into any top squad is some wild aspirations but it simply doesn’t work like that
u can "teach" someone 100 tips and THEY COULD LEARN those tips..but if they simply have shid aim and bad game sense/iq/team coordination...they will never succeed. you can only teach game sense/iq so much, hence why some of us are naturally better than others without any formal "training" in gaming.
Commit is not the best kids. The kids shit
They should just remove the scoreboard.
*during the match.
The only reason they won that twitch rivals is cause they were playing against other content creators that never played the game 😂😂😂. Completly unfair tbh. What they shouldve done was distribute the "pros" evenly. Those other content creators didnt have fun getting dumped on, so their viewer saw they weren't having fun, now they probabaly won't play the game
yeah twitch rivals and embark coulda hosted that a bit better but tbf, that's how literally every twitch rivals goes, it's all meant to just be entertaining and fun, to outside viewers they probably don't know the community enough to even care. Hopefully we get some more thought cuz i loved watching it
@@Appoh getting stomped on it’s not entertaining imo well for me it’s not That twitch rivals was really some bs was nobody trynna attack Gigzs team that was irritating to watch everybody scared of one person
@@GloGangPromoterr if you watch thiixys video you can see gigz team actually had the most kills. They were 100 being attacked they just had such good tempo control and positioning you might not have noticed it but they were involved in so many fights
@@Appoh True I’m pretty sure they was involved in fights but for most part when I was watching it live everybody literally seemed scared to even challenge his team ik I’m not tripping it probably wasn’t like that for the whole tournament but definitely the start of it
@@GloGangPromoterr naw they had good spawn control and manipulation, it wasnt that people avoided them
in my opinion cashout is the worst fucking mode in the game
You killed me in a game this morning 😅 Im FlyingTurret, you probs don't remember cuz the bot name tho
My teammates were like, "What is this matchmaking" as we were getting smashed by frickin RUclipsr tryhards 🤣
I killed u today and I’m not lying
also great name btw
i havent played in 2 months, but if you ever see NintendWiimote, that's me LOL
I played with u lol
That's a good default name. Some of them are good. I'm SkeletalFrog and I think kinda metal