True, but I will say fatness is way more accepted in the black community. When I wasn’t fat, everyone would try to feed me and say I’m not eating right, when I was. And they (my family)always encouraged me to be bigger, rather than slimmer. Now I’m not gonna speak to wether that’s good, or bad, because it can be both. But those have just been my experiences.
@@LodocihelNah, she might be from the deep south, that behavior is typical in those regions. I'm from Alabama and also have family in Mississippi. There's some embellishment though, because it's not literally everyone who acts that way, it's mostly just the women from older generations. They'll encourage you to eat more but it usually stops short of actually shaming a person for losing weight. Some who are messy might gossip behind your back about you losing weight because you're sick or on drugs. But there's a lot less of that going on than it used to be.
As someone with a Masters in the subject, the BMI is scientifically considered irrelevant literally because it was created based on the composition of white men. So not only is the BMI a relatively inaccurate indicator of obesity for minorities, it’s inaccurate for women also.
Honestly as a white guy, I don't even think it applies to us. Back in high school I was 5'7", 160-168 lbs and ripped. Every time I'd go in for a checkup or anything I'd have the doctor telling me I'm overweight and need to drop some. It always felt like some kind of marketing bs more than anything.
@@heytoast7129 IIRC BMI mostly looks at how much you weigh compared to how tall you are. I think the main reason it's inaccurate is because it only takes height and weight into account and not body composition.
@@wherearemypowers That's a perfect explanation of it. If you are 5'9" 260 pound bodybuilder, it will say that you are in the Obese II category. I'm not sure where this girl is getting off thinking it has anything to do with race and gender.
@@titan7610not even that extreme bro, I’m 6’0 210lbs and I’m labeled as over weight. Been an athlete all my life, I’ve got 3 body scans that say my body fat consistently stays between 10-12% but I’m “overweight”💀
Different cultures, ethnic backgrounds should be imputed for those bmi charts.. what works for one race may not law well in another.. Of course there are always limitations it just moderates given the circumstances
I’ll be honest, being fit is on the rising trend. Maybe it’s more accepted for now, but it’s dying out i feel like (especially with the outbreak of spirituality) But even so, that has no correlation to the anti black stance she had tho. If she was a Black, fit women, it would’ve been taken more seriously
@@pierrewillfulBut also socio-economic status no? Cheap fast food is way more accessible to people with less money than healthy wholefood stuff. So I think there's definitely a correlation between privilege and health outcomes
@@Ltforlife22 to dismiss everything into “I’m a victim” is just cop out to keep having the mindset that you have now. When I say just leave ppl alone and respect others, you’re the type of person I’m speaking to
We are on the planet to help eachother! Balance out the earth. Leaving people alone results in abuse victims suffering, people dying via health complications when they could’ve got the right info but didn’t because we “left them alone”
I have written college papers about how the BMI chart is EXTREMELY SKEWED and damn near a big ass shot to self esteem….I say this because when I was a young child(I was a pretty thick and stocky young kid) I would always get depressed and think that I was “obese” every-time I visited the doctors office when they would say that I am “overweight”….BUT the bullshit comes in when you find out that they base being “obese” or “overweight” from the perspective of a white man/woman’s body!! I was never obese as a kid,I just had an ENTIRELY different body composition being a black kid. Black people have scientifically been proven to have different and heavier bone densities,muscle weight,curves,etc…Our bodies are not MEANT to be measured by the standard of White Americans because we’re genetically different. Not only that but the BMI chart doesn’t measure “actual fat content” and “muscle content”….and “bone density”..TWO people can be 250 pounds…BUT one can have 250 pounds of fat while another can have 250 ponds or muscle…The BMI chart is not able to rank your health….which makes it skewed and irrelevant. MOST if not all black individuals have wider bodies,stronger bones,curves,larger muscles masses,etc.We’ve been born and blessed to have curves,strong bones,muscular bodies,high body endurance,etc. AND even skinny black people naturally have muscle composition that is ENTIRELY different from White Americans…and it pisses me off how people try to write many of us off as “overweight” or “obese” when many of us TRULY aren’t!
the reason I think they lump uses this whole black thing, is basically to discredit the beauty of thick Black woman, again, I already prove, why Black man is the original man who loved all three body "slim thick, thick thick, and skinny" but more over we celebrate thickness as a primary part of our culture, no matter where you go, its a fashion, I'm a Jamaican citizen, and everyday, is ass day, on the road, ass, you in a shop, ass, you at work, ASS, its a common trait, and of course by ass I mean thick, some real thick, other slim thick, others skinny with the ass-thang, thanging, what do they have in common, they can lump them in with this whole narrative of overweight, you see, while I do agree somewhat, I also can say, we all observing our race of women - black women from a European standard, somethings you call fat, in reality isn't actually fat, just thick, actually fat is belly flabbing all over the place, and looking like them, white with a rectangular shape, its no different from white people version of thick and black people version of thick, while the white narrative can fit into the black version, the black version has a higher expectation of thick, we talking thick to the point her spine make her into a chicken.
As a black woman that is lucky like yourself, to have the fat in all the right places. It's the high percentage of fat compared to muscle, water, bone, age, and height that is the problem. We are lucky it "looks good" but don't get it wrong we are still overweight or obese, where it falls is lucky genetics😅 *I'm not going by BMI by the way(body fat %), also I know on average as blacks we hold a small percentage more muscle and bone but we're not monsters compared to white people. On average white and black women were similar in weight being 120-130s lbs in the 40s, 50s etc. 🤫
It has been proven to be less dangerous health wise though, subcutaneous fat around ur waist is much more dangerous than fat in your legs, its also similar to how its said that the average sumo wrestler is healthier than the average American because they eat healthy and they work out everyday, so the fat is literally a different kind or fat
No shade what she saying is actually kind of true it’s just that there’s so much more information that needs to be added that she’s not saying. there is a long history of people trying to demonize black bodies in any type of way, including calling them fat, especially black women. I do not agree with her when she say people are only working out to have proximity to whiteness or anything like that but I understand where she’s coming from. I also disagree when she says that phobia is equivalent to racism.
Yeah there's a lot of context that is missing. We as black people have to learn things before we speak on it. None of these people with these opinions have read or researched any works on how fat phobia came to be. However, once we make a decision on our opinions, we run it into the ground.
BMI also doesn’t account for muscle mass which is heavier than fat. Also there are food disparities depending on where you live and poorer communities have less access to fresh foods. There are Whole Foods in good areas and mc Donald’s in bad ones.
I agree with u to an extent cause as a feminine gay male I get discriminated against a lot by random men in the street, I’ve always been naturally a feminine person and have dealt with prejudice my whole life since I was a little boy so it’s not really something all of us can hide x
@@Rapidfucc the fact that you think this is a take on coming out proves your English comprehension is lacking, so that's not on me lmao I simply stated that comparing being black with being gay is not a logical comparison given the one huge difference: one can be hidden, one can't. I never said anyone should hide, nor did I say everyone can hide. That is literally the only point I made and it's factual, everything else yall saying has nothing to do with what I said tf
@@belladonnarose5671 It's not a dismissal, I just don't understand the need to insist they're equal. We can all acknoweledge that 1st degree murder and voluntary manslaughter are both heinous acts that should be condemned and not tolerated. However, they're not equal in the eyes of the law for logical and well-defined reasons.
Just because the fat is located in different spots on your body it’s still fat… there is a curtain weight each person’s body has to be… just because it looks good because if the way it’s stored, it doesn’t mean you can’t be overweight 12:47
So curvy black women are still considered fat? I’ll use Serena Williams and Beyoncé as examples are they still considered fat because you’re saying it doesn’t matter where their fat is stored (boobs/butt/thighs)? If I’m understanding correctly.
1:41 i don’t agree that you can choose to not be seen as gay, some people can’t hide that about themselves because it shows like those gay kids in school everyone knew were gay but wouldn’t actually admit it themselves :/
Yes you can hide it….NOBODY would know your gay until you present yourself in such manners. You cant hide being fat or black. You knew someone was gay just by how they acted in public. You chose to wear all those flamboyant clothing and you chose to add that sass into your voice. You would never know a woman is gay unless like i said above. You keep making excuses but you cannot preach about lgbt discrimination in a country that is in favor of it. Yall are the ones who want everyone in your business being proud and loud.
PLSSS the way the first thing I thought when Dee put up that pic was "oh, her hair is so pretty" and then she immediately started clowning on herself 😭😭😭
i wish i could post pictures here i was 185 and people were telling me i was getting too skinny but my bmi was overweight and closer to obese than normal
Definitely agree with the BMI statement. 4 out of 5 women being fat would mean literally 80% of black women are fat which I have yet to see. Thick does not equal a triple stacker belly and the lies have to STOP lol 😭😭😭
I mean yeah, fat in the legs and ass aka thick is not the same as a large belly. But it’s still fat in both cases, one just looks better than the other.
@@kevinmalk Not really. I say this because black women could quite literally work out until the world ends and their body would still be thick. Like you can only loose so much boob and ass fat before becoming borderline anorexic which is a different issue. The medical system/bmi classifications is just centered in white male biology.
@@EricSmith-zm8do I’m not even talking about bmi you’re missing my point entirely. It’s still fat in the legs. Women in general are more likely to have their excess fat be stored in the thigh area but it’s still fat. If you wanna say a bit excess fat is fine, I’m with you. Men are more likely to have excess fat stored in the stomach, but that doesn’t make a little belly bad. Arbitrarily drawing the line at having a belly is missing the entire point entirely as much as someone going by just BMI.
I wrote this as a reply too but A reevaluation for Different cultures, ethnic backgrounds should be imputed for those bmi chart standards.. what works for one race may not law well in another.. Of course there are always limitations it just moderates given the circumstances
Same here all my child hood i was called fat or "risk of obese" from my doctor. Now as an adult my doctor during my physical was like "oh your not fat at all....your chart sais 200lbs but you have thick legs and upper body do you work out or run? Idk why these old charts still work in todays medical views. They need to be updated cus some people may leave thinking they really are in the wrong." All my teen years i had issues with my body cus i was seen by doctors as "risk of obese" I stay fit now because of it.
Those BMI (body mass index) charts are wrong anyways. They don't take into account bodytype or even muscle mass. When I was at my fittest with a six-pack I was considered obese by that chart cause I was swoll. FOH. And we need to reclaim thickness. It ain't the same. Edit: Probably should have waited till the video was over before I commented but I was tilted lol.
I feel like its worth mentioning most black peoples tend to be obese there are many economical and cultural factors(tracing back to soul food which is unhealthy) However it’s important to note that many black people even associate being healthy and active with whiteness as that how it’s primarily shown and projected in media it’s honestly terrible and ignorant taking care of your health shouldn’t be a stereotype associated to whiteness. When my mother started to lose weight and get healthy after experiencing depression a lot of friends would say she’s acting like a white person for eating healthy and exercising
Ooh and i totally with the guy in the first video. People hateeeeeeee fat people its actually kinda crazy. I remember talking to this man irl and he was telling me how we need to go back to the high school days and beat up fat people. I was appalled, literally got up and left the date. People have so much hate in them , its really bizarre.
There is a very strong association with black women, fatness, sassiness, and poverty. It is advantageous for every black woman especially dark skinned women, to lose weight and aim to be slim or skinny.
I understood her point how ever she, like alot of radical black intellectuals, have a hard to explaining themselves because of lazy analysis.I think the biggest reason ppl combine fatness with anti-blackness is because black ppl are more prone to diabetes, the statistics show that black ppl struggle with diabetes, obesity, and are less likely to know in addition to the terrible history black ppl have with medical institution. Metaphoriccity also plays into why black ppl are often associated with anti-fatness--its the sociopolitical representation as well. How many of our aunts and uncles are fat and sometimes even fat-darkskin. So there is a correlation, but it hink the meaning of associating anti-fatness to blackness has changed over the years. There is a long pipeline of black bodies being dehumanized for their fat bodies. When slaves were first discovered and brought to the Americas Christopher Columbus said that the black body was grotesque because of the extra meat and the big bodies. One of the most notable black ppl that coms to mind is sara baartman, a black woman that, when while ppl first discovered, opted to do experiments on and was amazed at her fat body--among many reason because they did not understand how someone could be so fat yet well build and relatively healthy. It has always been a huge question about how fatness relates to anti-blackness specifically in the scope of the mammy trope, the "thick" trope, etc. i just think semantics is what ruins so many ppl's analysis on this. Cornel west said it best - that black intellectuals these days could not compete with those before. Id also like to add that the demarcation between obese and fatness has blurred over the years for a number of reasons but i think not being hyperbolic when analyzing is very useful in this case; yes obese ppl exist and some of them will try to lump in with the natural fat ppl. But i think one of the most beautiful things about critical analysis is that nuance exists within all of it. You cannot have a discussion without nuance, and youtube, twitter, and random ppl on tiktok just do not provide that.
as an african woman im bmi 20 and curvy so my waist to hip ratio is crazy it lumps me in the overweight category 😭 i need to have low bf% to be "healthy" according to my body analysis.
How was you bmi determined? Was it just by weight and height? Cuz if so that's an old fashioned method that is pretty inaccurate, didn't know it was used in the medical field still.
I’m classed as being overweight while having roughly 11-12% bf as a man at 5’10 and 185lbs - I wouldn’t pay attention to BMI - because basically all cruiserweight and above boxing, MMA, NFL, and rugby, etc. players would be classed as being overweight despite being world class athletes
@@Chris-zy9qh because i am not overweight. my muscle mass is slightly lower than my fat mass, i’m also a petite girl and store fat in hips and thighs. i’m currently working out with the motivation to get stronger rn, so the bf% would probably be lower in the coming weeks to months. i just think it’s crazy that i’m considered overweight in terms of bf% yk, i have a considerably small frame.
There's a difference between all body shapes, no one is attracted to someone who clearly doesn't take care of themselves type of fat, it is a natural instinct. And there's the shapely Woman or bulky man (that's not fat, she has curves that people pay a lot of money for). I don't go as far as hating on "fat people" that's just insane.
I was confused because when I was watching 600lb life there's more white folks there, tho it is not enought stat but it surely says something, if there's anything I think she's confusing thiccness to fatness I mean women of color sure are fat but in them right places like damn that is called voluptuous
The amount of people featured in the video not being called out is insane to me. You can agree with them in one regard and disagree with them in others. Some of the things they were saying should have set off alarm bells to anyone who knows racism is a thing. I don't know how someone who called out an Erica Mena did not notice what I'm referncing or think to skip past it. This was bafflling to watch as a result.
Me; a skinny, flat, plank shaped black girl watching this very annoyed by this weird idea. Many times, people have told me some weird shit about my race should dictate weight. I'm half African, and all my African side of my family is skinny and tall. My black American side varies in size... Hmm, it's like weight isn't based on what race you are. Maybe people should realize Americans, regardless of race, have high obesity. Even then correlation isn't causation.
I do think Dee in right though. I feel like a plank next to all my friends. I'm 100lb 5'6" and never able to keep on weight, but everyone says all that little fat goes straight to my ass and hips 1st bc the rest of my is just bones lol.
Fatness has nothing to do with being black. I don’t know what kind of brain some people have…. Black peoples even in Africa trying to feed you means they want you to not be hungry. Currently and historically as a result of lack of food And poverty… that is the reason people try to give you food… THEY DO NOT TRY TO GIVE YOU FOOD SO YOU BECOME FAT. That is NOT the goal… there are other cultures out there that like to feed their guest, for example Asian cultures do the same thing. But they don’t become fat themselves because their genetics and type of food they eat don’t accelerate it. But the goal is not so the other person becomes fat. Being fat is unhealthy.. high cholesterol, obesity, diabetes and hypertension are the number one cause of death in black people especially black women. These are medical facts. Do not listen to any person that tries to link every thing as an oppression relation. It is simply not logical. Not everything is tied with with racism. This intersectionality business doesn’t involve everything. Maintain a healthy lifestyle of balance in food and exercise at least 2 times a week for one hour each. You will be fine.
Depends on a factor of things like height and body portions etc , I was fit still am but I’m 5’7 but I’m 201 but I’m also pregnant but I still have my toned legs and arms I’m mostly belly however I stopped trusting scales I will go gym and tone up but that doesn’t mean a number is the indicator solely, the lady is a menace with the ignorance
This may just be me who thinks of this, but putting 'phobia' at the end of these words like fat'phobic' and homo'phobic' is useless unless you genuinely have a fear of gay or fat people. If hatred is behind these kinds of people, use 'Misia' instead of phobia.
So she's culturally appropriating black people by her logic...how we own blackness... The only associations that should be made would be whether a community is richer or more on the poor side and the effect that has on what businesses are built there. That has nothing to do with the race of the people there, it's what's available in the area. It's been like that for years. Cheaper food like McDonald's or Bojangles is more likely to be placed in a community where they feel their business will make a lot of money, right? Am I wrong?? Same with Whole Foods or Harris Teeter being placed in slightly richer areas.
See this woman had a point but lost the plot 💀 Black people naturally are on the thicker side. It’s in a lot of our genetics and our culture with things like soul food. Not to mention that the whole BMI chart is weird. However, her take said all of that the wrong way 😂 Not all black people are fat and not everyone who wants to be fit or doesn’t like fatness is anti-black. Now something I have heard before that does back up her claim, is a man that made a video talking about how all black people are over 150lbs and fat that that’s why no one wants to date us. So I see where she was coming from but…..💀
Being fat is not really a choice. I agree what everything else ya said but it's not really a choice. Diabetes and being overweight is seen more in low economic conditions and who is systemically placed in such places? Mostly black people. Thats why we see a lot of black people and mexicans with a bigger set than others because the access to fresh produce is slim to none in low economic places. Just go drivin around. You'll see more liquor stores and fast food than anything else. And it doesn't help that fresh produce and healthier foods are more expensive. This is why they are probably making this comparison however sis is definitely incorrect. Being black does not mean you're fat she is just taking the bare minimum of details and concluding a direct correlation.
I thought sumthin was wrong with my phone when i clicked the video until she put up that editor note 😂
True, but I will say fatness is way more accepted in the black community. When I wasn’t fat, everyone would try to feed me and say I’m not eating right, when I was. And they (my family)always encouraged me to be bigger, rather than slimmer. Now I’m not gonna speak to wether that’s good, or bad, because it can be both. But those have just been my experiences.
Quit lying 🤥
@@Lodocihel There is no lie. Black people are very prone to the “you need to eat something” mantra in my experience.
@@LodocihelNah, she might be from the deep south, that behavior is typical in those regions. I'm from Alabama and also have family in Mississippi. There's some embellishment though, because it's not literally everyone who acts that way, it's mostly just the women from older generations.
They'll encourage you to eat more but it usually stops short of actually shaming a person for losing weight. Some who are messy might gossip behind your back about you losing weight because you're sick or on drugs. But there's a lot less of that going on than it used to be.
chile fatphobia don’t stop with black people. if ur fatness not ur in butt & u don’t have an hourglass body, u will be judged.
@@pinkmoonmeadowfat phobia 😂😂
As someone with a Masters in the subject, the BMI is scientifically considered irrelevant literally because it was created based on the composition of white men. So not only is the BMI a relatively inaccurate indicator of obesity for minorities, it’s inaccurate for women also.
Honestly as a white guy, I don't even think it applies to us. Back in high school I was 5'7", 160-168 lbs and ripped. Every time I'd go in for a checkup or anything I'd have the doctor telling me I'm overweight and need to drop some. It always felt like some kind of marketing bs more than anything.
@@heytoast7129 IIRC BMI mostly looks at how much you weigh compared to how tall you are. I think the main reason it's inaccurate is because it only takes height and weight into account and not body composition.
@@wherearemypowers That's a perfect explanation of it. If you are 5'9" 260 pound bodybuilder, it will say that you are in the Obese II category. I'm not sure where this girl is getting off thinking it has anything to do with race and gender.
Even if that’s true bmi aside our community men and women have a weight issue and health issues that is a fact
@@titan7610not even that extreme bro, I’m 6’0 210lbs and I’m labeled as over weight. Been an athlete all my life, I’ve got 3 body scans that say my body fat consistently stays between 10-12% but I’m “overweight”💀
omggg she does look like edna from the incredibles😭 that’s the girl that dee was talkin bout with the bob btw
Wayment, that photo of you in the red is crazy😍😍😍
Dee that thumbnail picture gotta disssected and talked about for generations lol
I love Dee's chill whisper-y voice
Dee got some cinematic colouring goin on 😂
You look DAMN good, Dee ✨️✨️✨️
simp ew get a life
Fatness seems to be way more accepted in the black community imo
It’s true but sadly that doesn’t fit into the narrative this tiktok is making
Fatness got solved with the word thicc
Different cultures, ethnic backgrounds should be imputed for those bmi charts.. what works for one race may not law well in another.. Of course there are always limitations it just moderates given the circumstances
I’ll be honest, being fit is on the rising trend. Maybe it’s more accepted for now, but it’s dying out i feel like (especially with the outbreak of spirituality)
But even so, that has no correlation to the anti black stance she had tho. If she was a Black, fit women, it would’ve been taken more seriously
@@pierrewillfulBut also socio-economic status no? Cheap fast food is way more accessible to people with less money than healthy wholefood stuff. So I think there's definitely a correlation between privilege and health outcomes
The fact this is a topic is crazy 💀 how about we just mind our business, treat ppl with respect and leave ppl alone?
But that doesn’t result to a “I’m a victim” world like most people now want
@@Ltforlife22 to dismiss everything into “I’m a victim” is just cop out to keep having the mindset that you have now. When I say just leave ppl alone and respect others, you’re the type of person I’m speaking to
We are on the planet to help eachother! Balance out the earth. Leaving people alone results in abuse victims suffering, people dying via health complications when they could’ve got the right info but didn’t because we “left them alone”
Dee is hilarious, why she clipping her nails during the video 😭😭
Hey Dee!… beent watching you for YEARS now. I don’t know you but your videos definitely make my day better! Love you girl, keep up the work!
I definitely paused on those photos you posted,, for research purposes 👀🤣. Love your content Dee!
I have written college papers about how the BMI chart is EXTREMELY SKEWED and damn near a big ass shot to self esteem….I say this because when I was a young child(I was a pretty thick and stocky young kid) I would always get depressed and think that I was “obese” every-time I visited the doctors office when they would say that I am “overweight”….BUT the bullshit comes in when you find out that they base being “obese” or “overweight” from the perspective of a white man/woman’s body!! I was never obese as a kid,I just had an ENTIRELY different body composition being a black kid. Black people have scientifically been proven to have different and heavier bone densities,muscle weight,curves,etc…Our bodies are not MEANT to be measured by the standard of White Americans because we’re genetically different. Not only that but the BMI chart doesn’t measure “actual fat content” and “muscle content”….and “bone density”..TWO people can be 250 pounds…BUT one can have 250 pounds of fat while another can have 250 ponds or muscle…The BMI chart is not able to rank your health….which makes it skewed and irrelevant. MOST if not all black individuals have wider bodies,stronger bones,curves,larger muscles masses,etc.We’ve been born and blessed to have curves,strong bones,muscular bodies,high body endurance,etc. AND even skinny black people naturally have muscle composition that is ENTIRELY different from White Americans…and it pisses me off how people try to write many of us off as “overweight” or “obese” when many of us TRULY aren’t!
the reason I think they lump uses this whole black thing, is basically to discredit the beauty of thick Black woman, again, I already prove, why Black man is the original man who loved all three body "slim thick, thick thick, and skinny" but more over we celebrate thickness as a primary part of our culture, no matter where you go, its a fashion, I'm a Jamaican citizen, and everyday, is ass day, on the road, ass, you in a shop, ass, you at work, ASS, its a common trait, and of course by ass I mean thick, some real thick, other slim thick, others skinny with the ass-thang, thanging, what do they have in common, they can lump them in with this whole narrative of overweight, you see, while I do agree somewhat, I also can say, we all observing our race of women - black women from a European standard, somethings you call fat, in reality isn't actually fat, just thick, actually fat is belly flabbing all over the place, and looking like them, white with a rectangular shape, its no different from white people version of thick and black people version of thick, while the white narrative can fit into the black version, the black version has a higher expectation of thick, we talking thick to the point her spine make her into a chicken.
theres difference between thick and fat lol
Dee!!! My God!!👏🏾👏🏾You showed out!!
😍 Dee’s got bodayyyyyy ❤️
RIGHTTTTT😫😭
Hey Dee, I love ur vids and how you are always so unbiased and funny.
The thumbnail got me
That thumbnail tho👀
good god this thumbnail 🤩
As a black woman that is lucky like yourself, to have the fat in all the right places. It's the high percentage of fat compared to muscle, water, bone, age, and height that is the problem. We are lucky it "looks good" but don't get it wrong we are still overweight or obese, where it falls is lucky genetics😅
*I'm not going by BMI by the way(body fat %), also I know on average as blacks we hold a small percentage more muscle and bone but we're not monsters compared to white people. On average white and black women were similar in weight being 120-130s lbs in the 40s, 50s etc. 🤫
It has been proven to be less dangerous health wise though, subcutaneous fat around ur waist is much more dangerous than fat in your legs, its also similar to how its said that the average sumo wrestler is healthier than the average American because they eat healthy and they work out everyday, so the fat is literally a different kind or fat
No shade what she saying is actually kind of true it’s just that there’s so much more information that needs to be added that she’s not saying. there is a long history of people trying to demonize black bodies in any type of way, including calling them fat, especially black women. I do not agree with her when she say people are only working out to have proximity to whiteness or anything like that but I understand where she’s coming from. I also disagree when she says that phobia is equivalent to racism.
70 % of Americans are fat 😂😂 what y’all expect
I agree
Yeah there's a lot of context that is missing. We as black people have to learn things before we speak on it. None of these people with these opinions have read or researched any works on how fat phobia came to be. However, once we make a decision on our opinions, we run it into the ground.
Thumbnail go crazy. That shit TURKEY. 😍😍😍
BMI also doesn’t account for muscle mass which is heavier than fat. Also there are food disparities depending on where you live and poorer communities have less access to fresh foods. There are Whole Foods in good areas and mc Donald’s in bad ones.
I agree with u to an extent cause as a feminine gay male I get discriminated against a lot by random men in the street, I’ve always been naturally a feminine person and have dealt with prejudice my whole life since I was a little boy so it’s not really something all of us can hide x
This topic is about the rule, not the exception.
Her takes on coming out and gayness can be questionable at times 🫣
@@RapidfuccWhat takes of hers do you think is questionable?
@@Rapidfucc the fact that you think this is a take on coming out proves your English comprehension is lacking, so that's not on me lmao I simply stated that comparing being black with being gay is not a logical comparison given the one huge difference: one can be hidden, one can't. I never said anyone should hide, nor did I say everyone can hide. That is literally the only point I made and it's factual, everything else yall saying has nothing to do with what I said tf
@@belladonnarose5671 It's not a dismissal, I just don't understand the need to insist they're equal. We can all acknoweledge that 1st degree murder and voluntary manslaughter are both heinous acts that should be condemned and not tolerated. However, they're not equal in the eyes of the law for logical and well-defined reasons.
Girl your apartment looks good!!!! OMG 😆
I think the cartoon character you are referring to is Edna Mode from the incredibles.
Thumbnail crazy
Just because the fat is located in different spots on your body it’s still fat… there is a curtain weight each person’s body has to be… just because it looks good because if the way it’s stored, it doesn’t mean you can’t be overweight 12:47
So curvy black women are still considered fat? I’ll use Serena Williams and Beyoncé as examples are they still considered fat because you’re saying it doesn’t matter where their fat is stored (boobs/butt/thighs)? If I’m understanding correctly.
she’s not overweight though that’s the point..
Ngl I’ve been watching your channel for a while now…and I just had to follow your ig after this vid because I ain’t know you was built like that.
1:41 i don’t agree that you can choose to not be seen as gay, some people can’t hide that about themselves because it shows like those gay kids in school everyone knew were gay but wouldn’t actually admit it themselves :/
Yes you can hide it….NOBODY would know your gay until you present yourself in such manners. You cant hide being fat or black. You knew someone was gay just by how they acted in public. You chose to wear all those flamboyant clothing and you chose to add that sass into your voice. You would never know a woman is gay unless like i said above. You keep making excuses but you cannot preach about lgbt discrimination in a country that is in favor of it. Yall are the ones who want everyone in your business being proud and loud.
You talking bout Edna Mode from The Incredibles 😂😂😂
PLSSS the way the first thing I thought when Dee put up that pic was "oh, her hair is so pretty" and then she immediately started clowning on herself 😭😭😭
i wish i could post pictures here i was 185 and people were telling me i was getting too skinny but my bmi was overweight and closer to obese than normal
Definitely agree with the BMI statement. 4 out of 5 women being fat would mean literally 80% of black women are fat which I have yet to see. Thick does not equal a triple stacker belly and the lies have to STOP lol 😭😭😭
I mean yeah, fat in the legs and ass aka thick is not the same as a large belly. But it’s still fat in both cases, one just looks better than the other.
@@kevinmalk Not really. I say this because black women could quite literally work out until the world ends and their body would still be thick. Like you can only loose so much boob and ass fat before becoming borderline anorexic which is a different issue. The medical system/bmi classifications is just centered in white male biology.
@@EricSmith-zm8do I’m not even talking about bmi you’re missing my point entirely. It’s still fat in the legs. Women in general are more likely to have their excess fat be stored in the thigh area but it’s still fat. If you wanna say a bit excess fat is fine, I’m with you. Men are more likely to have excess fat stored in the stomach, but that doesn’t make a little belly bad. Arbitrarily drawing the line at having a belly is missing the entire point entirely as much as someone going by just BMI.
I wrote this as a reply too but
A reevaluation for Different cultures, ethnic backgrounds should be imputed for those bmi chart standards.. what works for one race may not law well in another.. Of course there are always limitations it just moderates given the circumstances
Crazy how at 6’2 and 217 pounds I’d be considered “overweight” LOL
Same here all my child hood i was called fat or "risk of obese" from my doctor. Now as an adult my doctor during my physical was like "oh your not fat at all....your chart sais 200lbs but you have thick legs and upper body do you work out or run? Idk why these old charts still work in todays medical views. They need to be updated cus some people may leave thinking they really are in the wrong." All my teen years i had issues with my body cus i was seen by doctors as "risk of obese" I stay fit now because of it.
Dee, you're gorgeous 😍
Enticingly curvy
Most Overweight People I've Seen Have Been Caucasian. People Of ALL Races Can Be Fat, Plenty Are. These "Discussions" Are Useless And Annoying.
Dee shows knows how to pick a thumbnail lol
Dee there’s a new beta squad video, “guess the kid to the parent” think it’s the funniest one yet
Those BMI (body mass index) charts are wrong anyways. They don't take into account bodytype or even muscle mass. When I was at my fittest with a six-pack I was considered obese by that chart cause I was swoll. FOH. And we need to reclaim thickness. It ain't the same.
Edit: Probably should have waited till the video was over before I commented but I was tilted lol.
I gyatt something in my eye
00:45 - 03:00 All facts. It's definitely a false equivalence and an insult. 💯
TikTok a wild place lmao
I feel like its worth mentioning most black peoples tend to be obese there are many economical and cultural factors(tracing back to soul food which is unhealthy)
However it’s important to note that many black people even associate being healthy and active with whiteness as that how it’s primarily shown and projected in media it’s honestly terrible and ignorant taking care of your health shouldn’t be a stereotype associated to whiteness. When my mother started to lose weight and get healthy after experiencing depression a lot of friends would say she’s acting like a white person for eating healthy and exercising
Ooh and i totally with the guy in the first video. People hateeeeeeee fat people its actually kinda crazy. I remember talking to this man irl and he was telling me how we need to go back to the high school days and beat up fat people. I was appalled, literally got up and left the date. People have so much hate in them , its really bizarre.
You were thinking about mrs. Puff from SpongeBob 2:57
THUMBNAIL GYATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
okay I am going straight to your Instagram to see something... for research purposes only.
So how's the research? 😂😂
@@rayjonwilliams9028 very satisfying, I must say.
There is a very strong association with black women, fatness, sassiness, and poverty. It is advantageous for every black woman especially dark skinned women, to lose weight and aim to be slim or skinny.
Its insane i feel like were living in a real life skit
You look fantastic whatever your weight! 😍
Dee dragging a wagon huh!!!
Did you mean to call the girl with the bob edna from the incredibles?
Sheesh dee over here lookin like Mz Thiccums respectfully
I understood her point how ever she, like alot of radical black intellectuals, have a hard to explaining themselves because of lazy analysis.I think the biggest reason ppl combine fatness with anti-blackness is because black ppl are more prone to diabetes, the statistics show that black ppl struggle with diabetes, obesity, and are less likely to know in addition to the terrible history black ppl have with medical institution. Metaphoriccity also plays into why black ppl are often associated with anti-fatness--its the sociopolitical representation as well. How many of our aunts and uncles are fat and sometimes even fat-darkskin. So there is a correlation, but it hink the meaning of associating anti-fatness to blackness has changed over the years. There is a long pipeline of black bodies being dehumanized for their fat bodies. When slaves were first discovered and brought to the Americas Christopher Columbus said that the black body was grotesque because of the extra meat and the big bodies. One of the most notable black ppl that coms to mind is sara baartman, a black woman that, when while ppl first discovered, opted to do experiments on and was amazed at her fat body--among many reason because they did not understand how someone could be so fat yet well build and relatively healthy. It has always been a huge question about how fatness relates to anti-blackness specifically in the scope of the mammy trope, the "thick" trope, etc. i just think semantics is what ruins so many ppl's analysis on this. Cornel west said it best - that black intellectuals these days could not compete with those before. Id also like to add that the demarcation between obese and fatness has blurred over the years for a number of reasons but i think not being hyperbolic when analyzing is very useful in this case; yes obese ppl exist and some of them will try to lump in with the natural fat ppl. But i think one of the most beautiful things about critical analysis is that nuance exists within all of it. You cannot have a discussion without nuance, and youtube, twitter, and random ppl on tiktok just do not provide that.
as an african woman im bmi 20 and curvy so my waist to hip ratio is crazy it lumps me in the overweight category 😭 i need to have low bf% to be "healthy" according to my body analysis.
How was you bmi determined? Was it just by weight and height? Cuz if so that's an old fashioned method that is pretty inaccurate, didn't know it was used in the medical field still.
Why u put quotes around healthy?
I’m classed as being overweight while having roughly 11-12% bf as a man at 5’10 and 185lbs - I wouldn’t pay attention to BMI - because basically all cruiserweight and above boxing, MMA, NFL, and rugby, etc. players would be classed as being overweight despite being world class athletes
@@inanimatemist8610 i would assume so, weight and height considered etc.
@@Chris-zy9qh because i am not overweight. my muscle mass is slightly lower than my fat mass, i’m also a petite girl and store fat in hips and thighs. i’m currently working out with the motivation to get stronger rn, so the bf% would probably be lower in the coming weeks to months. i just think it’s crazy that i’m considered overweight in terms of bf% yk, i have a considerably small frame.
There's a difference between all body shapes, no one is attracted to someone who clearly doesn't take care of themselves type of fat, it is a natural instinct. And there's the shapely Woman or bulky man (that's not fat, she has curves that people pay a lot of money for). I don't go as far as hating on "fat people" that's just insane.
As a medical nurse I have to say gyattt
I'll be honest, I actually paused on your pics 🫣
I was confused because when I was watching 600lb life there's more white folks there, tho it is not enought stat but it surely says something, if there's anything I think she's confusing thiccness to fatness I mean women of color sure are fat but in them right places like damn that is called voluptuous
No they are fatter though
@@lol_youre_mad let me rephrase it then, their fat are stored in fortunate places, ya know not them visceral fat
The amount of people featured in the video not being called out is insane to me.
You can agree with them in one regard and disagree with them in others. Some of the things they were saying should have set off alarm bells to anyone who knows racism is a thing.
I don't know how someone who called out an Erica Mena did not notice what I'm referncing or think to skip past it. This was bafflling to watch as a result.
9:36 Is critical fat theory really a thing? 😂😂😂😂
Me; a skinny, flat, plank shaped black girl watching this very annoyed by this weird idea. Many times, people have told me some weird shit about my race should dictate weight. I'm half African, and all my African side of my family is skinny and tall. My black American side varies in size... Hmm, it's like weight isn't based on what race you are.
Maybe people should realize Americans, regardless of race, have high obesity. Even then correlation isn't causation.
I do think Dee in right though. I feel like a plank next to all my friends. I'm 100lb 5'6" and never able to keep on weight, but everyone says all that little fat goes straight to my ass and hips 1st bc the rest of my is just bones lol.
Dee stay eating with facts
Fatness has nothing to do with being black. I don’t know what kind of brain some people have…. Black peoples even in Africa trying to feed you means they want you to not be hungry. Currently and historically as a result of lack of food And poverty… that is the reason people try to give you food… THEY DO NOT TRY TO GIVE YOU FOOD SO YOU BECOME FAT. That is NOT the goal… there are other cultures out there that like to feed their guest, for example Asian cultures do the same thing. But they don’t become fat themselves because their genetics and type of food they eat don’t accelerate it. But the goal is not so the other person becomes fat. Being fat is unhealthy.. high cholesterol, obesity, diabetes and hypertension are the number one cause of death in black people especially black women. These are medical facts. Do not listen to any person that tries to link every thing as an oppression relation. It is simply not logical. Not everything is tied with with racism. This intersectionality business doesn’t involve everything. Maintain a healthy lifestyle of balance in food and exercise at least 2 times a week for one hour each. You will be fine.
Depends on a factor of things like height and body portions etc , I was fit still am but I’m 5’7 but I’m 201 but I’m also pregnant but I still have my toned legs and arms I’m mostly belly however I stopped trusting scales I will go gym and tone up but that doesn’t mean a number is the indicator solely, the lady is a menace with the ignorance
19:14 i only clicked for this imma b honest lol god damn 🥵 and i know im not alone 😂
This may just be me who thinks of this, but putting 'phobia' at the end of these words like fat'phobic' and homo'phobic' is useless unless you genuinely have a fear of gay or fat people. If hatred is behind these kinds of people, use 'Misia' instead of phobia.
Damn didn't know Dee was thick like that 🔥🔥😍
(19:12-19:22) Lord have JESUS!!!! ❤❤❤"Look like a Bacon n Egg Sandwich!"
#RIPBernieMac
Fatty banging. That’s NY slang for Cakes look good
Ngl I stared at the thumbnail too long
Y’all… why is the lighting so werid
Serena Williams would be considered fat by her definition. Is Serena fat? I would say no
3:12 these people are insane.
Haha @ "Lumping"
Smart and fine. Gotta love it! 19:14
So she's culturally appropriating black people by her logic...how we own blackness...
The only associations that should be made would be whether a community is richer or more on the poor side and the effect that has on what businesses are built there. That has nothing to do with the race of the people there, it's what's available in the area. It's been like that for years. Cheaper food like McDonald's or Bojangles is more likely to be placed in a community where they feel their business will make a lot of money, right? Am I wrong?? Same with Whole Foods or Harris Teeter being placed in slightly richer areas.
What?! ya thats crazy...
See this woman had a point but lost the plot 💀 Black people naturally are on the thicker side. It’s in a lot of our genetics and our culture with things like soul food. Not to mention that the whole BMI chart is weird. However, her take said all of that the wrong way 😂 Not all black people are fat and not everyone who wants to be fit or doesn’t like fatness is anti-black. Now something I have heard before that does back up her claim, is a man that made a video talking about how all black people are over 150lbs and fat that that’s why no one wants to date us. So I see where she was coming from but…..💀
It’s Daria isn’t it?😅
Edna Mode from incredibles
Thought it was Tina from bobs burger
As a local black man, I'm fat
I think Dee is beautiful🤷🏽♂️
You are not overweight dee that's cap
Men of culture, we meet again🤝
Gyatt
Who cares why tf is the generation obsessed with race
Dee you're gay? 😮
Bisexual
Being fat is not really a choice. I agree what everything else ya said but it's not really a choice. Diabetes and being overweight is seen more in low economic conditions and who is systemically placed in such places? Mostly black people. Thats why we see a lot of black people and mexicans with a bigger set than others because the access to fresh produce is slim to none in low economic places. Just go drivin around. You'll see more liquor stores and fast food than anything else. And it doesn't help that fresh produce and healthier foods are more expensive. This is why they are probably making this comparison however sis is definitely incorrect. Being black does not mean you're fat she is just taking the bare minimum of details and concluding a direct correlation.
He took that shit down smart move I was about to go in he soooo lucky
There's so much to say about this topic being dumb 😂 like where do we start