Dr. Bruce Edwards Ivins: America's Unsolved Anthrax Mystery
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- Опубликовано: 25 июн 2024
- For several weeks in the Fall of 2001, America was gripped by twin terrorist plots. The September 11 hijackings were a massive world event whose effects continue to ripple throughout most corners of the Earth; in the weeks after the Twin Towers fell, though, there was nearly as much fear and anxiety about a small stream of letters that were intentionally laced with anthrax.
The killer was never officially identified, and the case was never formally closed, but one man has been intrinsically linked to the story from beginning to end. This is the story of Dr. Bruce Edwards Ivins: American anthrax expert and bioterror suspect.
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Source/Further reading:
Link to Mirage Man: www.amazon.com/Mirage-Man-Ant...
Extract from the book, Mirage Man: www.thedailybeast.com/the-mir...
Washington Post, A Scientist’s Quiet Life Took a Darker Turn: www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...
LA Times in-depth obituary of Ivins: www.latimes.com/nation/la-xpm...
New York Times obituary: www.nytimes.com/2008/08/02/us...
NPR, Who was Bruce Ivins? www.npr.org/templates/story/s...
Detailed review of Mirage Man: www.latimes.com/books/la-xpm-...
Wired, Did the Feds Nab the Wrong Guy? www.wired.com/2011/03/ff_anth...
FBI Amerithrax files: www.fbi.gov/history/famous-ca...
History: www.history.com/news/anthrax-...
Anthrax letters timeline: www.npr.org/2011/02/15/931702...
PBS, the case for innocence: www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/ar...
More doubts: www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/ar...
Dr. Steven J. Hatfill’s experience: www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...
I remember this pretty well. I had a kidney infection at the time and my doc prescribed Cipro for it. He made the joke "Well if this doesn't work, at least you'll be protected against Anthrax for the next week."
@Chas Maravel I live in the midwest. We still had a supply.
Before 2020 I would’ve said how sad it is that y’all joked through what sounds like such a terrifying time. Perspective is weird.
Also, do you think he did it?
@@oppaloopa3698 The best way to deal with something so dark is to laugh about it. Not sure if he did though.
@@oppaloopa3698 it's a healthy coping mechanism
I’m allergic to Cipro and a couple of other types of antibiotics. My doctor asked if I could maybe do him a favor and let my husband bring in the mail until things calmed down. lol
I was finishing my Ph.D. in microbiology working on anthrax spores in 2001. Our lab was one of four non-military labs to have the correct strains. We had to undergo significant questioning on the events. Soon after I moved from bio weapons research to environmental research.
Weapons research sounds cooler.
Do you think that Dr Ivins did it? With letters being mailed from the NJ & FL towns where the terror cells were located, the fact that all letters were written either by the same person or group of ppl (including those who got fake anthrax), the belief of some who worked in the lab w/Dr Ivins & former Senator Daschle’s & Leahy’s concerns made me look into it. I don’t think they could’ve convicted Ivins & the list of those excluded from investigation in the months & years after the anthrax mailings is concerning. Finally I believe that Ivins suicide was due to embarrassment that the whole world would find out about his bizarre issues & that his family would be financially devastated trying to prove his innocence while up against a steamroller. If you haven’t already, you might enjoy the mental exercise of delving into the details of the case. You’ll be surprised regardless of the conclusion that you reach. Enjoy.
John nice try
@@darkwingduck7969 nice try how... Are you calling me a liar?
@@juarezbandosa8623 anthrax have an album called spores? How did I miss that?
When I was about 9 or ten I remember waking up in bed to a big argument between my Mum and Dad downstairs. I heard my Mum say to my dad " I wish #### had been still born like the other one" I still think about that today, and I'm 61. I have two fantastic Grandchildren (6 and 4) and I can't give them enough love. Everyone tells me I'm a softie and a pushover and I should instill more discipline. I have never told anyone why I cant.
"Instilling more discipline" like beating them when they do something you don't like? Absolutely not. You're doing right. They need to be taught not hurt. They are human beings when they're conceived not when they turn 18.
I want you to know I think you're a strong and compassionate person. Your grandchildren will learn their own life lessons. If you always treat them with love, respect and compassion, they will remember that of you over anything else. You're doing the right thing and I respect the hell out of you.
@@drrocketman7794 instilling more discipline doesn't automatically mean beating them, goddamn. Maybe they're just too lenient and should be stricter.
it took me a while to figure out your comment
When they were divorcing, my mother confessed to me that my father wanted her to get an abortion instead of having me. I already had a bad relationship with him so it didn't really surprise me. Some years later when drunk, she then confessed the only reason they had unprotected sex that resulted in my birth was because she was on drugs. I just try to use that as context for everything I've accomplished and am still capable of accomplishing. It sounds like you are doing the same, and I am glad you shared.
It doesn't sound like his father was a "pushover", it sounds like his mother was an abuser. Victim blaming isn't cool for any gender.
Well said.
Yeah, she was clearly violently unhinged
Nope he was a pushover. Making excuses for victims helps Noone, ever
@@vindictaetmortem748 Yeah, he should have just punched her in the face, gone to prison for 10 years and never seen his son again. Brilliant.
@@vindictaetmortem748 Yeah, better to make excuses for the abusers.
There's nothing more tragic than a child being born and raised to parents that don't want him.
Amanda Beaty * Insert promotion of comprehensive sex ed. in schools, widely available contraception, bodily autonomy for women, social safety nets and not making having a child bankrupt you here. *
Nothing more tragic? What about a pile of neglected children, all of them eating each other? Would that not be even more tragic? Yeah, I do not believe you know what "nothing" means, especially in this context. In this context, the context you provided, it means this is the most tragic thing to ever happen, and will ever happen. Do you really believe that?
@@danielduncan6806 Yeah. All those neglected children were born to parents who didn't want them.
Anthrax?
What about a child being intentionally killed before even having a chance at life? Since I get the feeling your comment revolves around abortion
I’m just impressed he graduated in the same year he was born.
Lol. THANK YOU! That stuck with me the entire video.
YES. How did they miss this in post?? Quick Google search shows he was born in 1946.
misskinsCO They didn’t because it generates comments which pushes the video up the view list there’s loads of channels that do this it’s exploiting RUclips’s algorithm and one little mistake doesn’t hurt anyone I suppose
@@henners8910 good point i never thought of that
@@henners8910 thanks, I'd wondered why they did that.
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Lol 😂😂
Yo they have nothing on Infographics tho lol
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You don’t just use Adblock? I haven’t seen a RUclips ad in years.
@@ihatecorporatedatacollecti6609 it doesn't work on mobile devices
I remember this. My mom opened all the mail in the garden with gloves and a mask for several weeks.
gloves u say
After the first couple Anthrax cases, Scott Ian said in an interview they might have to change their name to Basket of Puppies. He said it jokingly, but later said that if it became a real major widespread problem, they might have to actually change their name.
I remember that. He said he felt like it was the 30s and his name was “Freddy Hitler”.
Alluding to either running away from his victims, or accusers. Even in today's time, there's plenty of finger pointing, but who really knows what truly happened.
The band Isis had to change their name to Celestial and split up lol
This was an incredibly fascinating Biography on Dr. Ivins. I worked for ten years producing the Anthrax Vaccine, and we had such strict protocols in place to make sure nobody was able to walk away with any tubes of spores. It just makes me wonder how he managed to put together so much Anthrax without drawing attention to himself. Didn’t they have any safety protocols in place to make sure Anthrax wasn’t disappearing at Ft. Detrick? I am sure things have changed since this happened, but to me, that is THE most scary part of all of this. There are labs all over the place that hold deadly stuff capable of being weaponized. I hope protocols changed in those labs, also!
es que cuanto más nivel tiene el laboratorio más trabas digamos tiene para manejar esos microbios o riesgos para los que los manipulan como para la sociedad. el más alto es el nivel 4 y están solo en las potencias mundiales ubicados.
seriously you work on anthrax?? is that wonder woman??
@@chlorophyll6154 Yes, I used to work with the vaccine all the way through the manufacturing process. And yes, that is Wonder Woman 😊 My ex-spouse chose it for me (inside joke, lol). I always forget that she’s my avatar!
@@susanrobinson910 so you're probably Dr Susan Robinson, you separated from your husband, my apologies then
How do you get Anthrax, I've been told that you get it from dirt, It's probably a crazy story to tell that group of lab monkeys digging up dirt near the drain in search of Anthrax huh? Seems like Anthrax is publicly available information, is it possible for it to be a weapon?
@@susanrobinson910 The FBI completely dismissed investigating the world's largest producer of Ames Strain (from Ivins' flask), UBTL at Dugway Proving Ground, because they already had their man (falsely accused Steven Hatfill before they falsely accused Bruce Ivins, get that pattern of behavior). The FBI did not find Ames Strain in Ivins' car, home, or clothing, but they sure found it in the mailbox at Princeton Univ in New Jersey. No explanation from the FBI on how that could possibly happen. The FBI did not find or identify the incubator/fermenter, dryer, or mill that processed the Ames Strain that was used in the attacks. If there is anything to be afraid of, it is that there is still the processing equipment used in these attacks out in the public somewhere in America.
I struggle so much with this case. The evidence is circumstantial and he took his own life so know one knows. It does seem like it was likely him, but the fact the FBI just said it was him after he died makes me think they didn't pursue all leads
Yea it seems like it coulda been him due to his suicidal/homicidal urges but once the FBI shoves their nose is it and starts making claims, you start to feel cautious.
They’re already doing a balancing act when there’s not pressure on them. For all we know they pulled off a successful MLK with him to get it over with.
If you know anything about the Atlanta Olympic bomber then you'd doubt their case against him even more. They literally ruined a guy's life, his last name was Jewel I believe. Got him to confess, sign it, and give details about something he didn't do. His own mother even began to hate him. Anyone that said the evidence suggests it was someone else was silenced or transferred. Even though bombs were still going off months later and he was under constant watch by agents. I was in 4th grade during those Olympics but I still remember the whole ordeal somewhat. There's a series on Netflix that goes over it really well.
who ELSE when there's literally no other suspects? It's obviously him.
Read the Wikipedia article on his case they have some pretty good evidence as to why it likely wasn't him. It was far too advanced for a single person to have orchestrated. The former deputy commander of the USAMRIID had said that it would have taken him years with a full staff to come up with something of similar purity levels and as weaponized as the strain used in the attack.
@@heyheytaytay It's exactly that kind of thinking that gets innoncent people convicted and/or allow criminals to go free after the police have found a "favourite" suspect, dropping all others. I happens numerous times.
Could we have a biographics about the Dupont Teflon scandal? It just seems fitting with the biohazard theme of these recent episodes, and there's certainly a lot to dig into with that case.
By the way, I really like these videos. Even when the subjects themselves are incredibly disturbing, the videos are always very well researched and easy to follow.
TIL aboout the teflon scandal. I really hope they do a video about it.
The Devil We Know on netflix is all about it!
Telling your therapist that you're an Angel of Death-- another red flag, right there
They had so much evidence he wasn't ok, even threatening to shoot up a therapy session and they arrested him A DAY LATER the threat. Even if he weren't responsible for the anthrax attacks he was pretty screwed up, and no one seemingly did anything aside from brushing him off.
Ivins had neither the skills nor the means to attach silicon to anthrax spores. It has already been concluded that the anthrax was made by a US based pharmaceutical company hired by the United States government in effort to gain more support for the war in Iraq.
*L.A. Noire doubt meme*
Would be cool if there was a complete playlist of the biographics starting from the oldest to the newest in terms of years would make this channel even more watchable and would definely help others find specific things
you can do that clicking on the videos tab of this channel and sorting by old-new lol
@@nad1ax2 not what i meant. I meant for there to be like for instance a way to sort the specific theme of the video into the specific year it happens so there was a way to go down all of these persons in a chronological way.
That doesn’t make sense bc in many videos many years, some times thousands, are covered. It wouldn’t be possible.
Fun fact Fort Derrick in Fredrick, MD was also partially used as a dumping sight and some parts can’t even use the water cause it’s considered hazardous
Yeah, that happens to the groundwater near pretty much every US military base around the world. Turns out they all have dumping grounds & burn pits for the improper disposal of hazardous chemicals.
The vast majority of people are too blind to see the tell-tale signs of someone that's disturbed and dangerous. Such petty, passive aggressive and extreme lengths for revenge - extreme in the time invested, not the outcome. Always beware of what people tell you and how people act.
I remember this. When the anthrax mailings happened, the seniors at my high school at the time thought it would be an awesome senior prank to pour baby powder into an envelope and leave it in the teacher's lounge.
"Edgy with the possibility of arrest! What could go wrong!?"
@@jessbellis9510 I don't understand how that could get you arrested.
@@johnnyvivic8730 Well if you walk into school with a fake bomb that looks like a bomb, you're probably gonna get arrested. They'll figure out that it's fake, but they're still probably going to have to make a report about it
@@TchSktch Mm true.
@@johnnyvivic8730 You don't? The prospect of terror attack on a high school teacher? Yea, pretty sure they would've been caught easily by the FBI.
His old house is in my hometown. It's weird to look at with the knowledge of what he (supposedly) did.
Are you talking about in Lebanon? I live in Lebanon and now I'm curious to know where he used to live.
I grew up in Lebanon also
I grew up nearby in Miamisburg & I'm extremely interested to see where his house was, as I've gone through Lebanon quite a bit. Also hello all fellow 937 brothers who also love Biographics!
Allegedly lmao! You'll get it if you watch his other channel
Lived in Lebanon for years! Never knew this!
Best biographics this year. Gave me those good chills
Geo-Graphics: Uploads video on Tenochtitlan
Me: OOH, a piece of candy
Bio-Graphics: Uploads a video about anthrax
Me: OOH, a piece of candy
Me, every few days
James Woods approves ;)
Same. Add 1 more with megaprojects
Add one from top tenz
Add another from today I found out
I feel the same way when I see a new Business Blaze video. Lol
Wow a creep became dangerous out of years of bitterness, abuse and anger... Who could have seen that coming...
OMG. I served from '79 to '82 at Ft. Detrick. I had no idea he was there at that time. I knew that there was anthrax in the labs, but didn't know which building. There were several.
The true boon of Simons voice acting is how well he can breathe during and after long sentences or clauses and it’s barely audible
If Ivins was experiencing pain in his arms I suspect he had a form of undiagnosed bipolar disorder in addition to his other pathologies. He appears to have also had some religious obsessions. He wrote a couple of brief, cryptic letters to his local newspaper that referenced Israel and implied he supported some kind of "End Times" world view. Glenn Greenwald published several posts examining the case against Ivins and stated that while, given his personality problems and access to anthrax, he was an obvious suspect, the case against him was fairly weak and in some instances contradictory.
heard a ton of people say the government patsy'd the guy in the past. i dont doubt it either.
Exceptional story, exceptionally presented. One of your best. Thank you.
This was excellent. Thanks for the many insights. Very well done.
Great video as always guys. Very interesting and entertaining.
The 1st envelope was across the street from a KKG sorority house? Yeah, it had to be him or someone who knew him intimately. It sounds like he had no friends. The only people who knew anything about his issues were his doctors, and they didn't have the technical know how or access. Not even his wife seems to have known about his two halves.
It's amazing how a lot of brilliant people are often times delusional and May show signs of psychopathic sociopathic behaviors
Stories like this always freak me out. A guy can seem normal and nice and then when you reject him, he can become crazy and try to get insane revenge.
Erica Carlson
And men tease us for going to the bathroom with friends, asking for a “did you get home?” Text after going out dancing. The threat for women is very real. =/
@@amandab3946 Same for men, in some situations. (For example, this guy's father was abused by his mother.)
@@amandab3946 so the reason why you need others to go to the bathroom is a bio terror attack. Sure 😐
Crazy people exist in all genders, don't try to make this about you lmao.
PS: apparently his revenge ended up killing more men than women, but sure, the threat is real for women.
Its kinda terrifying how easily people seem to snap. We all have the potential to do something awful. 🤔
@@Cenentury0941 Way to misunderstand her comment. She meant there are people who seem normal we need to watch out for. Everyone knows there's violence against all genders.
1:10 - Chapter 1 - Cycles of hatred
4:00 - Chapter 2 - The other man
7:10 - Chapter 3 - The dark half
10:00 - Chapter 4 - Autumn of fear
13:00 - Chapter 5 - Amerithrax
16:10 - Chapter 6 - Downward spiral
I didn't think I would see my surname. In the video and every time he said Ivins I looked up in acknowledgement😂😂😂
My Dad, a 6-3 Norwegian behemoth, was.... Physically, mentally AND emotionally abused by my Mother... No. Not kidding. If so, he wouldn't have drank himself to death... 4 days from his 49th birthday...
My condolences.
My dad was also abused by my mother, as well as me and my sister. Last time I saw her the police took her away. I'm really sorry for your loss, I send you a warm hug.
Yeah it’s scary, it’s sad that there’s so much misinformation out there, anyone can be a victim of abuse, wether they leave bruises and scars that can be seen or mental scars that run just as deep. My condolences to you, I hope you are doing well out there.
Wow a 14 year investigation is a long time. I remember hearing about this on the news when I was in my late teens.
The first victim Stevens. Lived 3 blocks from my house in Lantana, Florida. I didn't know him but some of my family did.
man, I feel so bad for the girl who he was blaming all this revenge on. poor poor girl. she did nothing wrong.
Are you speaking of his mom?
@@GHustle4 Probably Oedipus complex lmao
G4-Reincarnated uh... Obviously the married microbiology student.
i mean technically you don't know that. maybe she was secretly a serial killer
I can see at least one thing she did wrong.
he should have been striped of his security clearance LONG before he mailed any of these things.
Excellent work. Thanks 😊
Could you please do a bio on Ip Man? Thank you :)
That would be great.
Thanks
Thanks for the Anthrax? 😉
I remember the anthrax scare in 2001; I was about 12 years old at the time that it occurred. Crazy stuff.
Now you're just a used up roastie
Loved this video. Simon have you ever thought about doing a video on Johnny Cash? Such a conflicted legend
Conflicted? How so?
@@bigsawdust4726 Drugs and alcohol
This guy took Revenge of the Nerds to a whole new level.
I remember this. Things were crazy for a little while. I got paranoid when handling mail.
Is it really necessary to refer to the father who being being domestically abused and beaten as a 'pushover'?
Have you not heard about the father? It's an accurate description. What term would you use? A helpless victim of circumstances?
@albertomartinez714 people who are being abused are often characterized as "pushovers," particularly in response to male victims as its implied they aren't "manly." No reference to his status to endure physical attacks was necessary here
How's there not a movie about this yet?
Rest In Peace to those that passed away.
Very nice video Simon. Really enjoyed this one. The reading of his note to his wife was particularly well done.
Oh, a Simon made the video? Is he a dual - national by chance ? I know for a fact that it came from that lab. I know that they pinned it on that Dr. I know they killed that Dr. But I can only assume that Israel was behind it. Given the power to subpoena, I could deliver the real killer within weeks. Hundreds of FBI men call bS on blaming that Dr. Lesson I’d this. Work for Satan and he might kill you. Yes. Military is Satan
I remember a kinda funny story from this time. No one was injured, but people were scared. My science teacher was sending her sister a box with dry goods, one of the items was dry pudding. Well that package of packages had to rip and pour a "powdered white substance" contaminating and shutting down a sorting facility.
Great vid Simon
The energy it too Simon to not say "Allegedly" throughout this video
I'm curious to know how much of this story was manufactured by the government and how much is true...
How sad. Why would anyone say that to a child.😑 How can a person do that to people ?
I knew a guy whose mother who told him she hated him. She had been forced into marriage. It was so wrenching how he struggled to deal with his anger.
These murder mystery episodes are the best
2001 was a very scary time to be growing up as I recall
Being a veteran on deployment in 2007 I never understood the fear that made the military force us into having anthrax shots. Nope. He was still out there. :( What a pitiful human being.
I never realized this happened so close in time to 9/11.
Erica Carlson Oh yeah. We thought it was hand in hand.
Just a word on that accident in the Soviet Union.
Anthrax spores were released from a bioweapons facility, Compound 19 in Sverdlovsk (Yekaterinburg) on April 2nd 1979. The authorities (including Boris Yeltsin, who was a local Party official) originally blamed it on tainted meat.
Approximately 100 people died, though the official death toll will likely never be known, as the KGB destroyed all related hospital documentation.
If the winds had been blowing towards the city, over 200,000 people would have inhaled it.
Just some words, Unit 731 and American involvement and cover up of war criminals who literally killed thousands with Antharx and other inhumane bioweapons on Chinese civilians
As much as you would like to blame the Russians it's probably the Americans yourselves who did something and hid it away and tried to cover-up.
Wait, he was born in 1964, but also graduated in 1964? Impressive.
That photo of him smiling in the suit & tie reminds me of the character Gomez Addams
love this Biography.
same
same
Great video
I enjoyed it, Simon.
I live in the DC area in Maryland (pronoun merland) and I love the way Simon say, "Mary-land (MAR-ee-land)."
I’d love to hear him say “Bawldimore”
scrolled forever for this comment "Mary-land" cracked me up
It just shows how language evolves. People tend to shorten difficult to say sounds. But Simon doesn't know how the natives say it so just says it the proper way.
Simon, this vid was to the point and not much rambling. Please keep this going. No fluff like many channels. Time filled with facts. Yes. Feeeed me!
Interesting video. I never knew the whole story about this guy. And I didn’t know that the case officially remained unsolved. (Ivans probably did it, though.)
I remember these attacks coming out on the news when i was 8
9 advertisements really? An ad almost every two minutes. Cmon wtf
I got 0
How about a video on Gilbert du Motier who is arguably one of the most important figures in both American and French history.
Lebanon, Ohio. While not an actual picture of it's real Main Street... as a local, I'm genuinely impressed that the stock image kind of captures the feel of the town.
Dear Simon, I did enjoy the video.
Man I forgot about the anthrax attacks. I was in about 7th-ish grade when everyone was freaking out about the mail. Those were weird years. I kinda glad I was too young to really understand what was happening.
Where my mom worked back in 2002 in the USA there was a dr. Who thought it was funny to send her flour in his payroll letter one week..... pretty sure he’s still a doctor even after charges were put against him for an attempted terrorist attack.
Finally a video of a person when I was alive
Thanks again
The United States needs to do more for the mentally ill. Not imprisonment and stigmatizing, but actually treating the cause: one is violence against children. Spanking children should be outlawed and alternatives taught.
no.
Beating children should be outlawed ( which it is ). Obviously, you don't know what a spanking is and think that it will cause mental and physical trauma.
well no surprise there, growing up in such brutal conditions can only make a monster out of anyone.
I fact checked something that bothered me. Your work wonderful as it is missed right out the gate. The monster was born in 1946. Not 1964.
Yes, According to this he was born in 1964 and graduated from high school the same year. He must have been a truly brilliant student. 🙂
Yeah I imagine he misread it and didnt notice.
Oh ok I thought thats one smart kid took him 9 months to graduate.
I thought he couldn’t be younger than my mom
Classic Simon-ism. The dude makes a ton of these videos every day, occasionally he misreads a date, and who can blame him? You can usually figure out the slip since the other dates tend to be ok
Thank You .
Watching this after watching The Hot Zone. It's amazing how true their portrayal was, and I was chilled to the bone by Tony Goldwyn's performance.
I will not stop asking. Please make more videos covering the people in the American Civil War, for example;
Thomas Jackson, better known as Stonewall
General William T. Sherman, who I really couldnt say anything about without someone getting pissed
Confederate President Jefferson Davies
Colonel Robert Gould Shaw, who commanded the first African-American Regiment in the Civil War
Ulysses S. Grant, who needs no introduction
Etc.
I just wish there were more videos that tackled the people in the Civil War on your channel
* Davis
(lolololol…… 🤷🏻♀️🤣 and I’m only saying it *might be important when making a little bit worrisome and slightly a bit obsessive historically pretty niche and insanely random Biographics videos ultimatums of your enthusiastically intelligent and entertaining host and producer Simon lolololol ……🤣🤣😬🥴)
The second season of "The Hot zone" deals with the anthrax attacks. It's quite well done and I found it riveting.
Whenever actors, sets, and props are used to tell a true story, one should muster some suspicion, possibly disbelief.
Omg I remember my old lady neighbor got one in Oxford Connecticut when I was in middle school. It was so odd.
BioGraphics recommendation: The Reynolds Gang, 1860’s Colorado.
Id like to see a video on Emanuel Swedenborg, he seems interesting. Polymath, founder of the new church, talked to...beings?
"Punishing women through weird acts of theft" is a big red flag
Wild, I grew up in Lebanon OH. It sucks there lol.
Why was he never arrested just for stalking?
In my experience, stalking is unfortunately not taken seriously.
well really in most cases stalking is either imaginary or harmles.
The first ani-stalking law wasn't introduced until 1990 so most of his stalking wasn't illegal at the time
Why the hell did no one actually help him?
"people may be in danger of poisoning, but no crime has been done yet."
"yes, he has weapons and stuff, let's release him from the psychiatric hospital."
The system seems deeply broken.
He is obviously innocent and was framed.
It amazes me how some people can be so successful yet so weird.
I come from the town that Fort Detrick is in. Crazy how I never heard about this growing up
That’s a problem with some of these super introverted dorky guys, they get hung up on the super hot popular girls (who are likely not nice people) and then get resentful when they’re rejected. Meanwhile there are probably lots of nice girls with similar interests who might be nicer and more receptive. These are the kind of guys that get mad and hateful when they can’t get out of the friend zone
" These are the kind of guys that get mad and hateful when they can’t get out of the friend zone". Understandably so. We need to socialize young women far better on this issue. Your actions have consequences, often very tragic ones. Be better, ladies.
@@NotSure109 no woman is required to give a man her attention or date him. If she’s not interested then that’s that.
@@mbgal7758 False.
@@NotSure109 how do you figure? So you believe women should be forced to date men they’re not interested in just because the man is interested?
@@mbgal7758 LOL you should fuckin hear yourself. 😂
How about making biography of maharaja ranjit singh also known as 'lion of Punjab'
I request you take a look at it.
Sad story for all involved
This guy just gave me a great idea for my D&D campaign villain lols.
12:46 Why the hell would he send her a photo of him holding the anthrax in a petri dish? What the hell was the point of that? Unless he fully intended for it to lead to his demise.
I send people pictures of things I do at work sometimes. Probably would have done the same if security wasn't so tight while I was NBC in the Army. I only think it's odd because he picked anthrax but at the same time people do that sort of stuff to be ironic.
@@ericalbers4867 Ohh, I was thinking it was like a threat or something. But you're right, it was his work... So maybe not so weird. Great point.
@@ericalbers4867 the person he sent it to, wasn’t exactly a friend.
@@dwj77 I'll have to rewatch the video but I don't think they were enemies either, were they? I know some people who try to impress others they're not friends with (or if they're romantically interested) by showing off what they think is cool or makes them look interesting. Though most people aren't going to be impressed by anthrax if biology or pathology isn't something they enjoy.
Ok, just a small question. Was Bruce Ivins BORN in 1964, and did he graduate in 1964? That's an amazing feat if so.
I noticed that too, an oversight I guess. Probably meant 1984.
easily could’ve switched the “64” with “46” by mistake
he was born in 1946
Very interessting, really!!!
Hey Simon, please do a Geographics video on the Boötes Void