I Finished Decking My Ocean-Going Catamaran.
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- Опубликовано: 7 мар 2024
- I'm using very basic decking for my 42 foot project catamaran. how far will this deck get me?
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torx screws 😊 you are an inspiration bud. Keep up the hard work and stick to your goals ...
Yes Torx Screws are best for this sort of work especially if you're using stainless steel screws, they lock in the driver bit better and don't jump out when you need more torque. The down side is you could be spinning like a top if you don't come off the power quick enough😀😀
Torx. Screwfix stock quite a good range of Spax A2 stainless screws in the UK.
Be nice if torx could become the standard. Ol Phillip still lurks everywhere.
Phillips allows for self cantering (sp?) in automated assembly. Those of us not robots suffer.
@@SustainableSailing my source of all fasteners for the build is Westfield Fasteners. They have it all, as many or as few as you need and practically all also available in A4 SS
Mark, from the old days of sailing ships, wash your deck with salt water. Fresh water = rot. Salt water keeps them ship shape and Bristol fashion
Rent or borrow a floorboard sander, which will make it much nicer to walk on bear foot. then treat the wood paying attention on the end grain.
Yup, a floorboard sander should be about £100 for a day, and you'll easily do that much in a day.
A bear foot is called a paw 😉
Paint w/ sand added. The wood is good for the final solution!
I second paint!
Yup good oil type paint , you can buy special plastic beads to add to paint for grip , expensive but works and does not tear up your feet!
That side shot of the plank moving 0:45 really gives you a good idea just how huge this cat is
when a house deck swells and contracts with rain, the gaps between the board get tigher to the point of bowing and contact to the point of shearing screws. Their is probably area on the deck that need to be a bit open to let the water flow through.
Wash the grey planks with oxcil acid crystals dissolved in soap water . It will remove the grey and return the planks to original colour.
Screws are posi drive heads mark should be a bit with them great job Douglas fir is used a lot up here in Scotland for roofing (darling boards) you can get them tanilized 10 year lifetime guarantee
Bleach or Pool Shock works as well
....then hit it all with a floor sander, then oil and let age.
I came here to recommend this
To clean the deck search for product by OWATROL like "deck cleaner", then use a "saturating wood oil" to protect it from further weather damages.
Thanks for the video. In the US, really old screws are flat heads, then phillips heads became popular, and nor the star heads are everywhere, and flat heads are rare and only used for matching antique hardware. I'd paint it with sand in the paint for non skid. For teak decks they use a wood cleaner chemical and then rinse it dry it sand it and then oil it.
Have you considered the downside of your close fitting deck planks? The original design philosophy of Wharram was for a craft that allowed blue water to easily wash through the deck slats. A major feature of the ethos is light weight, both in construction and shedding water that comes aboard. If you should end up heading offshore you will appreciate the benefits of minimising weight.
The deck is superb. Ignore the critique on the aestetics, focus on prioritizing to make sure your time is best used for making her seaworthy, getting her out sail and test. Top work, well done
I'll second that!
Exactly this. Pretty costs money and time. Safe and functional needs to be the target.
I would let them all weather.
Absolutely, don't end up doing painstaking work just to please others! Git'r done!
Exactly, I have had to do some extensive joinery aboard my boat to get her ready for sea. I had intended to use a hefty piece of oak for one job to match the oak compression post already in situ and Mahogany ply to match her interior. Time and money led me down the softwood post and hardwood ply with Oak and Mahogany woodstain. Job looks good and saved me a fortune. It may only last a few years but by then I hope I will have recovered from the fortune Im spending on that other job, and bought three of them and repaired that instrument, and replaced those hoses and changed those blocks and and and. Getting her in the water where she can be a boat instead of a money pit is what it's all about and a little discolouration on your deck planks is small beer. My sister once bought a car and complained that they had one in blue but she would have to wait 13 weeks for the white one she wanted. I replied, you cant see its blue from the inside, why worry.
A little top tip from an old hand, point your index finger down the length of the blade, resting against the handle, it will give you far more control of the blade and resulting cut.
Only took me 40 years (only ever done rough work like fences etc) to discover that, also sharp tools, now every winter I take my planes,chisels and sharpen them.
@@scudosmyth784 Every Winter? I sharpen mine for every job!!
@@jonathansimmonds5784 I dont use them a lot, shed too small so have to work outdoors so mainly used in Summer.
How do you get 29 likes when i have posted this advice 3 times prior . To no likes, sob.
Despite the occasional misstep, I think your efficiency as a woodworker has improved! Also, good work on sharpening the plane. I agree that paint with some non-skid thrown in would be good for the decks -- better protection than just oil.
They make a rip handsaw. Much better for ripping wood.
In Canada the (star) screw is called a "torx" screw tho in the Netherlands it is probably different.
in the caribbean we used to use washed sand, dust over wet paint, and roll over to distribute evenly, after dried, topcoat.......ive done on many dive boats, including here in florida.....when in the land of limes, must find a way to make lime-aide....no lemons in roatan honduras, maybe there are now.....
ive actually done my longboard skateboards same way, they aint pretty, eat your shoes up a bit, but tried n true.
we call it a Torx (or star for the uninitiated) also. Robertson (square) is the Canadian, arguably better, alternative. @@ayrwynharrison898
hi Mate, great viewing for sitting in bed with a coffee, please don`t bother sanding the deck it will only turn grey again, it`s called weathering, in a couple of months it will all look the same. that boat is lucky to have you, 😀 Ady n Mel from Manchester
I agree 👍
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@@gerbenrink 🤗⛵️🤗
Maybe you can rent a sander that is used by wood flooring guys? They sand wooden floors all the time.
In Dutch it is caled 'parket' schuurmachine and you might be able to rent it from a tool rental company called Boels.
Remember that paint hides a multude of sins, be more concerned with the stability of the deck both to support your foot traffic and to remain in place in heavy seas, my concern would be the underpinnings more than the aesthetics, line lashings and stainless steal screws are a sailors best friend. good show, on to the next task. thanks for taking us with you.
I think this is the best show yet .Great work and progress such guts for working through tough weather, well done.
I would add a flush bolt or carriage bolt through several of the intersections of planks and stiffeners with a big washer under the nut at the bottom. It will prevent separation of the stiffener if the screws fail . Top stuff!
Hi Mark, great work. Here’s a few suggestions. I’ve been involved with building a few Polynesian canoes. I would definitely remove the wood over those lashings. It’s important to be able to keep an eye on all the lashings and to see all of it to check for issues and to be able to easily replace or tighten one if there’s suddenly an issue at sea. Secondly I wouldn’t pressure wash the deck it just removes wood grain which hastens decay. I’d either paint them off white and add non-slip where you need it or just let them grey off together and once every week or two brush scrub them lightly with salt water always again across the grain so you don’t pull out wood grain. I think there should be a small gap between the boards for drainage and to stop rot but you can always do that with a saw later. It would be quick and effective. Cheers and good luck.
Great advice 👏🤗⛵️🤗👏
Exactly, soon rot under that wood. Air flow is key. Nice work whittling the wood though Mark.
Think the screw points may have parted the sand paper belt.
Don't you need some gaps between the boards for water to drain easily?
A Teak renovator will clean up the greyness. Then use teak seal to coat the deck. This provides a thin water repellent surface, but it still looks like unvarnished wood and will preserve the colour. Needs applying every year.
Hi Mark, I'd paint it all with primer and epoxy, at least the bottom, the rest can evaporate upwards. The other solution could be to oil it. A note. If stainless steel screws and bolts are cheaper in the Netherlands, I'd buy a batch for future works, so you get to replace it with better wood, but still got cheaper fixings. I'm doing up my boat in Cornwall at the mo, so take great inspiration from your videos. It's an infinite job if you do it well, but sometimes you need to find a compromise. Come up here first before you leave for your world tour, back to your boat's origin and as a lucky charm start. Cheers
Hi Mark, I just want to give you a big thanks for your story. I started watching when you and Nadiana had 3.7k subs.
Some great experiences for you along the way and as a viewer, some great insights into life on the water.
I intend to motorboat around Ireland over the next year as I'm too old and broken for sailing.
Take care out there and I'm looking forward to the start of your sea trials.
Regards,
Steve W.
Oh wow! Thanks so so much.
It’s been a heck of a trip from then till now. I can see the appeal of motor boating after being on Mum and Dads boat. As long as your out on the water, that’s the main thing!!
Thanks again mate, that’s so nice of you
We're the same Steve...Motor boats all day long!!!😂🤗🤗🤗
Hello Mark, another nice video. 1 thing regarding the douglas planks. The planks will probably shrink an cm in width this summer. The screws on the bottom will probably break off. I have experienced it myself. The forces that working wood can generate never cease to amaze me, And yes.. those Torx screws rules.. I love them!
Yes, Mark, I slowly switched to use TORX screws on our build after i spent days removing Philips head screws which where screwed in temporarily to help epoxying in hull sides and did not want to come out... TORX has a big advantage over Philips - it is pretty much impossible to damage the head so badly that you cannot unscrew it. With Philips head is a common thing - one hull side had some of 150-200 screws holding it during epoxying and then I had 15-20 of them to extract :( (good thing I'm using A4 screws as a rule - I could leave parts of them in ..,)
Now I realise why they are called Torx.
I have screwed for a project over 5000 Torx wood screws. All with one bit and none of them failed and the Torx bit that came with these screws is still like new. I will never will buy other screws again if Torx available for the job. Had recently to unscrew a few I mounted 15years ago on a building roof, it was a charm how easy it was to get them off.
Your wood working skills are getting better in an amazing pace .
Douglas fir does need to be sealed. A two second sand will bring back the colour. But really, for maintenance, paint it....and add in crushed walnuts to tear your knees off. Its beautiful varnished. But after the second year I painted my mast.
All of those deck modules need to be secured with a coiled and tied with wool in a bundle under the deck lanyard, so they can be recovered after they get washed overboard. My decking was bolted down and spaced for drainage--yes, one does loose stuff in between the planks, but they drain better, and one can always put netting under them if one is working over them.
I have no idea what the seas are like in your neck of the wood, but my craft was over twenty feet wide, and it reached only one quarter of the height of some of the waves I encountered abeam with a lee shore. Sometimes you only get ONE chance--better maximise it.
As a deck its great at least you can get about the boat without falling in I agree with a lot of your followers some wood sealant is advisable but i think it looks great especially from your drone well done Mark 😊😊😊
Just brilliant Mark....your graft and perseverance makes for great viewing ...just a pity these build videos aren't an hour long....could watch em all night! 🤟😎
Yeah, torx screws are the best 👍😀
The deck planks look fine, don’t worry about it and move ass!!!!, the season is upon you dude .
Get those chain-plates fitted NOW!
Rip saw is the right saw but I couldn’t tell if yours is a rip saw. You use your newly sharpened hand plane on your sawn edges.
It was great fun doing a lot of things by hand with a high standard of craftsmanship. I was a timber framer and my right elbow is pretty disabled now at 67 years old. Repetitive tasks that literally hammered your body, you’ll have to pay for it later.
Mark once you are finished and its all sanded to one colour and then top coated with some sort of preservative its going to look exceptional mon ami! 😊
Mark the deck looks awesome just power wash the old wood will clean it fine project coming out great waiting for next week thank you for sharing John and Marie
Yeah, the torx head screws are available all over the EU, I always get them when I can.
Making good progress Mark! Even though you might feel that it's progressing slower than expected, you are moving in the forward direction... Soon you'll be focusing on the mast and rigging.
Let me know if you need a source for netting. I came a cross knotless dynema net supplier in Italy, I think, when I was searching for it online.
👏 well done, no more issues of potentially falling through the deck 😂. you can wash the planks that would be a good cheap solution👍
Looking good Mark, the boats looking better than when you brought it that's the main thing 😂
A good quality marine paint with none slip added. Good job young man.
The day after you chop off those stainless square tubes you will come up with a great idea!!!
Don't cut then till the last minute. Gary in Japan.
I wouldn't cut them at all I would turn them into a u grab handle point and instrument mounting point.
The deck definitely doesn't look fancy but it sounds like you've got the right idea to get out sailing sooner and worry about making it pretty later.
Still can't believe you've brought this boat back from the dead. Great work, Mark 🙂
the special screw heads you describe could be the ones we call torks heads ... you could also keep an eye out for a joiner plane to get rid of all the bumpy edges
In canada we use the Robertson, it is a square shape. it doesnt strip, holds itself onto the bit, and can drive a screw all the way through a piece of wood if you dont take care.
Robertson has no business in a boat. I get downright mad when I work on boats and someone has mixed in Robertson screws with the Phillips/Flat Standard that are SUPPOSED to be there. Boat builders always use Phillips and Flat for a hundred years.
If you wanna see your repair bill go UP by most of us marine mechanics, mix in some roberts , we despise them.
I only ever use Robertson, so dont ever buy a used boat/camper/house/trailer from me!@@SailProMarina I also do 100% of my own work. Except for household plumbing, I kinda suck at plumbing.
Makes a lot of difference, BIG step forward and SO much safer to walk on. You should be well proud with your recent progress. A lot of things dont look so spectacular but take twice as long though. Well done.
I always take the tension off the belt on the belt sander after you finish for the day. Keeping the belt tensioned will stretch it larger and make it impossible to keep the rollers in contact with belt.
Love seeing your progress even if it seems slow at times. It'll all be worth it for a lifestyle that so many of us will only be able to dream of. :)
Once you can get her underway to somewhere more convenient and sea-worthy, it should seem like less of a grind as well.
Leave the deck! Is good and its works! Go on with the plates. Nice vid again Mark !
I am into house/cabin building now and I am beginning to think of the advantages of Warram's rope lashing. It allows you freedom to change things since you never drill a bolt hole. I think will use it on building the floors of my houses in Portugal and the Philippines.
U gotta be happy with the space to work and chill on that new deck mate 👍
pressure washer usually brings the colour back. Very satisfying job also.
Power washing can make the wood very fluffy and prone to further discolouration if your cedar is anything like our pine decking timber. 😀
Keep on Rockin Breaux!! Love your Drive!!!!!
big improvement! seal that wood! :)
In the middle of a Pacific voyage one of my patrons brought me to England where I worked as a fencer for 7 months. You know when you pass by a fence in bad repair, it always has stains around where the nails or screws held it on to your post. The water creeps in, reacts to the metal and sap, creating a gas which expands the metal therefore making the wood fibre break down letting more moisture in and eventually the bugs that are called rot. That's your deck in a year. If you had a tube of sika, you could go around and unscrew all those screws one by one and dip them in sika spout...and put them back in.
We're all volunteering you for the job!
@@travelbugse2829 it can rot.
@@jerrycooke6511 removing them would cause more harm then good.
@@SailProMarinaNo
Paint all the d fur with epoxy, especially the check edges for water ingression. Looks fabulous, good work.
Love the wind on the saw at 2:13. Nice touch. cheers, Doi
A friend of mine back in the early 90's used epoxy with little rubber beads in it and sanded it back down so the beads were through the epoxy and it worked great he used white epoxy the same color as the rest of his cat but with the cl÷ar epoxy nowadays you can leave the natural wood color if you can find little rubber beads you could use
The fir will look beautiful finished natural. When you get offshore it will be the last thing you care about ! :) Great work !
never boring keep them coming
I think you're doing a grand job! Good onya fella.
Yeah the saw is designed to guarantee the proper result. Your life depends on the planks being the exact dimensions.
You’re really doing some great building and engineering . Can’t wait to see her sail
Deck oil is the best for the wood you have plus you can easily re apply after a year. Give the boards a good soaking ideally off the boat.
Hi Mark, it's all taking shape and looking good, just be aware when putting planks over rope lashing, you could have " rope rub " causing the lashings to fail.
The deck is awsome and as you do more it's starting to look like a sailing vessel, do miss Mum and Dad at the boat, the such an inspiration. Take care, Craig UK.
Honestly I like the look of the old wood. Its adding a good character to the boat. Keep up your good work. Looking forward to see it sailing
I have watched and enjoyed this journey from the beginning. Being from Newfoundland and having a close tie to the ocean I deeply respect all the work you have put into this.
You could rent a propper flooring planar/sander? That makes quick work of this relative small and surface. With propper treatment the deck will look very nice. No need for changing that out.
Chuck a coat of paint on the decks and it will all be uniform. To stiffen the decks up more, try screwing some 2x4 to the underside with the 2 inch side against the deck...more of a truss.
Torx is the best. I built a deck last year and switched to torx halfway through, what a difference! Then a handsaw is good for cutting the tree against the grain, but not along it. Greetings from Sweden!
It was a great little video Mark. As always well done and keep up the good work. I think the deck looks fine. Very rustic!! 😉
You are doing an amazing job mark! I am so impressed and love watching your progress.
Great progress! ... really getting there.
Try oxalic acid (barkeepers friend) on the old wood to restore/clean it.
Bugger me,week on the road truck driver,night in the pub,and fu*k me there you are.your smashing this amazing footage ,amazing that your so focused.keep going you make my week ending feel amazingly complete.plum from Essex 🎉
More great progress… thanks for sharing 🙏
The star shaped screw heads are called Torx. The size is has a T followed by a number,, for example T-8, T-12, or T16
Torx head, common in Sweden. Wood preserver and tung oil. Shout out to Marigold Mary and Steve Spanners.
Torx är bara bäst!🙂
The deck looks fine.
Temporary.
It's cool watching those nights sleeping in a car, paying off now.
Best channel on the Tube.
This is not meant to temporary I don’t think. It’s generally a waste of time, effort and money to do things that are temporary.
Bog standard deck and skills, yet totally pragmatic. Exceptional dedication and production.
Looking great Mark keep up the good work
Torx screws. Super material.
Superior fastener in all respects....wish the Aviation community would get on-board!! Get it :) On-board! :)
I text you on the las video about the deck. Just use some darkness oil (Noglina). In spanish is Barniz. And you will get similar colour in all the deck + protection. And if is darkness, you wont realize that much about dirty or mistakes. I love it. And in the same line I would paint the rest of the boat on white. Is gonna make you feel in a diferent boat and big progresion with just some paint. Good Job¡ Can not wait for next week
Unbelievable amount of work, this massive project Wareham catamaran will be sailing in June. Watch as Mark the owner converts this beautiful design into a proper yacht and sails the seven seas. Magnificent and very talented young shipwright takes on a massive rebuild, you don't want to miss one episode. Wondering where Usher the dog and your girlfriend ended up Mark?
its a Wharram of James Wharram Designs. The Wife left and took the dog , just like a country song. 😂
@SailProMarina ... She didn't take Yoshi...He's living his best life in Angelsey 🤗
@@artbymaryf7283 Yes and im happy about that. Poor little guy had it rough. It was just a reference , jokingly, for the " country song cliche' "
I think it is coming along nicely, keep up the good work. It is much safer no matter what anyone thinks.
Just taking a break from my boat projects to watch you work on your boat projects. you’re doing an excellent job bringing that boat back to life.
You could cover the deck with astroturf. Cheap and keeps you from slipping off.
This deck will get you out of the marina, thats all that count's (for now.). great update 2x👍
She's looking great, Captain!👍
Keep on going you will get there!!!
Just a bit of a useful tip for screws. I work in aviation, and to remove stuck screws on aircraft we use a plumber material called Valve Grinding Compound. It is a gray paste with grit in it. A drop of that on your screwdriver bit can do wonders to remove a rusty screw that won't come out. It sure beats having to drill a hole down the center of the screw and use an "easy out" bit to remove the destroyed screw.
Thx a million, I like the progress you made!
I saw that, yep the most important supply of all decking work... decking beer, cannot be done without it!!
This music is smooth AF
Thanks for sharing 👍 😊
Good onya mate🤙Re Decking: i would rent a proper floor sander and grade it down 3mm, then drill for bolts, remove screws, then epoxy it all and your bolt holes before assembly. Use stainless steel bolts only. Screws at sea will rott your wood swiftly.
A good advice would be not to construct anything"temporary," which isn't a good option for any ocean-going vessel.
We all forget wood, used correctly will work, has done for hundreds of years, you have a plan, I follow with interest.
I would prime and paint that timber with garage floor paint. Its robust and good enough to get that deck a uniform colour. Last coat just toss on some washed builders sand for none skid. You cant polish a turd.
Those screws are the best. Allways good crip even after a fee years or paint on them.
Don’t worry about the wood on your boat🎉
Doing so well fella,since you found her,keep doing what your doing.GBY captain.
It's great to see you are starting to get somewhere with constructing the deck , keep up the good work.
Douglas is a very nice wood to work with and cutting it is easy peasy
You are doing an amazing job with this project my friend and I have been watching your progress since the beginning and I have Nothing but respect for your work and tenacity!!👊👊 if you are going to use a handsaw which I also respect if you’ll make a small starter cut on the opposite end of your board it will stop the splintering when you make your cut. Not trying to tell you what to do by any means you are doing one hell of a job 😀🫡👍👊👊⛵️⛵️can’t wait to see what you do next 😁👍👊⛵️⛵️
I am first ! The screwhead is Torx. Torx is fantastic. Most others are obsolete now. Douglas fir is a good timber. It is best quarter sawn. Most of yours is from poorly managed forest, because it has knots. Young trees should be brashed. The lower branches are gone then, and produce small or no knots. Don't be discouraged by my comments. You could be adding a new dimension to Wharram engineering. You can use some good modern wood treatments. Red cedar is not strong. It is very rot resistant, and makes a superb core in woodstrip boats. 'Love the original Twingo. I want one.
Nice work on the deck and as for the color, I would just paint it grey.