Good vid as ever Derek,,however “You get used to it” but we shouldn’t have to get used to unorthodox unintuitive dangerous control interfaces. You can go from a Merc to Skoda, to a bmw, or Ford and everything is pretty much as expected and intuitive. No drivers cockpit, less controls. No thanks not for me.
@@oceanfroggie That is purely subjective. An “intelligent human user interface” is dependent on an individual. As the poster said, you get used to it. You adapt to it. Some people will find it intuitive and adapt quickly, others will find it less so. Some people find using a fork awkward, some people find using chopsticks awkward, and some people find using your hands to be awkward. Yet there is no right or wrong way to eat. I understand you said it’s a no for you personally, which is okay, but it does have its benefits. Ive only test driven the car overnight, but I can say not having to take my hands off the steering wheel felt just a bit more safe. Which is something I had never really thought of until I drove without the stalks.
As someone who drives both M3 on a daily basis ( Highland and Pre-Highland ) I can only say it is really not an issue, the brain and muscle memory adapts to it very quickly. Funnily I never try to reach the stalks in the Highland but in the old one I often try to click the Buttons, which of course are not there 🙈
I managed a one hour test drive in a Tesla Model 3 2024 model without stalks. In that short time I did find myself fighting 36 years of muscle memory as I reached for those missing indicator stalks. It’s reassuring to read that adaptation happens quickly. Perhaps I’ll find out when my Cybertruck order arrives? 😂
@@markusw4715 I mean as a tesla owner we often say "its no issues, no big deal" because we already have the car and we have no choice but to learn and get used to it, in reality tho the stalkless design is a little more inconvenient than the stalk, yes we do get used to it but its a downgrade
I'm sure anyone can get use to it I just don't see the point in it. Why reinvent something that doesn't need it, indicator stalks were much better and more functional. I'm all for moving technology forward if it improves driving, this doesn't. There is so much to like about Teslas and the new model 3 has a lot of improvements over the older version but the lack of stalks is a deal breaker for me. Please Tesla, at least offer stalks as an option.
Coming from a 2019 model 3 to a stalkless 2024 it took me about a month to 100% nail every roundabout type. I actually found it easier when driving on the left ( based in RHD country). This is a non issue, go ahead and buy it if considering, you will not regret it.
@@982ru Since when you cant have both hands on the wheel with stalks? You use a finger to move the stalk with out EVER looking at it. regardless of where you wheel is.
In Australia, the indicator stalk is on the right (left is wipers), but now they've got the buttons on the left... I'm glad I don't have to adjust to this as a non-Tesla EV driver (Ioniq gang!)
This was really useful and I wish there were more reviews which do this sort of thing. My conclusion was to my surprise I could live with the button indicators. What I could not live with is the gear shift on the iPad which became clear when the five point turn was done. It is just ghastly. What may or may not have been intended was the camera view of the map where we could all see which exit was expected and when you took it. My overall impression is that if I am to pay this much for an EV I do not want an on the road iPad experience; I want to drive a car.
Yes, the on-screen gear shift looked horrendous - didn’t like that it took a definite effort to ensure that it was engaged. The flip back that it did on the first reverse shift (@8:50) would drive me nuts, especially if it had a habit of doing that frequently. Situation that comes to mind is when parking into a tight parking spot, when you need to shift quickly, esp. if you’re trying to get out of the way of following traffic. The indicators look like it’s just a case of getting used to them. Though - I still find it a faff when wanting to change the Regen level paddles on the Kia.. like, wanting more braking effort, and the paddles have moved around with the wheel. First world problems !!!
I would move the buttons to middle of the wheel. Two big rings one inner and outer ring as stalk buttons, then you can blink easily no matter wheel position 😂
Very informative, I’m toying with getting this model early next year and the stalls is my one worry, but after seeing this in real world situations I feel it’ll be instinctive before long. Cheers 👍🏼
Seems ok and not as bad as I had imagined. I would rather have physical stalks but not a deal breaker as I had imagined re indicators and reverse function.
I think a lot if it will depend on driving style. These days you're taught to keep arms clear of the steering wheel airbag, which is quite awkward to do in practice.
I'm speechless... At least when the steering is set to Standard or Sport, you can just keep your hand constantly in the same place, with thumb hovering on the indicator, while applying force with the other hand to steer. Neither hand changes position on the steering wheel at any point. That way you're constantly aware where to press / ready to press the indicator when needed. And it's safer compared to using stalks, since at no point are your hands leaving the steering wheel. The amount of tucking and changing hand positions you do on the video is just nuts.
1. Get sexy buttons. 2. Set one button as a left indicator.Set the other one as a right indicator. 3. Place the buttons on the backside of your steering wheel exactly where the hands are positioned. 4. Use the Tesla buttons on the steering wheel when driving on the highway. Use the sexy buttons in roundabouts. 5. Enjoy the best of both worlds for an unmatched driving experience.
Wrong. In right hand drive countries you have some cars with stalk left from the steering wheel ( example EU, American cars) and some right from the steering wheel ( Japanese cars). For indicating left you push down on left stalk, but you push up on right stalk. So it's not about up is right or up is left. It's about pushing the stalk in the same ( clockwise, anticlockwise) direction as you'll be turning the steering wheel. The same is true for Tesla configuration ( you press the button in the same ( clockwise, anticlockwise) direction as you'll be turning the steering whell, wherever buttons might be. But it gets a lot more confusing whit buttons on left and right, once you get over certain threshold.
Nice one Derek. I'm looking at a 2021 Model 3 Long Range at the moment. Eager to go look at it next week, would be my first EV. If only I could bring you along to check it out for me 😊
Great video showing how they work in what would be the worst case scenarios. From my own experience with them I actually prefer this set up to stalks. A change I didn’t know I’d like so much
Seems manageable, but not as easy as a stalk that you can just catch with a raised finger as you turn the wheel. It’s like Harley Davidson clinging on to having the left indicator switch on the left bar, and the right on the right bar, and no independent cancel button. Right hands already busy with throttle and braking, and the auto cancel doesn’t always work, so it’s a pita. Combined with the smarmy salesman, it was a deal breaker.
@@NevoEVReviewIreland They did, on their Street 750 (discontinued) and their Pan America adventure bike which was designed to compete with similar class bikes like the famous BMW GS. They know it's a stupid system that no one else uses so only changed it when they were forced to. Tesla could take a hint
You’re lucky people indicate. I the UK they stopped teaching this skill many years ago . As a result you never know when someone is continuing around the roundabout as they only ever indicate when leaving 🙄
I test drove the new Highland Model 3 a few weeks ago. The gear shift on screen is no problem at all and indicator buttons were easy to get used to as well.
This is a deal breaker. They better bring back stalks for 2025. Who wants to be swiping the screen to change gears absolutely ridiculous. Keeping my 2022 until they fix this.
@@NevoEVReviewIreland Probably not. Safety scores are very important for Tesla. If they want to have 5 star safety rating from 2026 they need to have stalks.
Great video Derek. I’ve recently bought a model 3 highland and I believe they are targeted towards those people coming from a BMW 😂. I think the stalk issue has been over exaggerated by a few and once you have gotten use to it you’ll find it hard going back to stalks.
Reorient. Oh, it's easy the top button is turn right, and the bottom button is turn left. That no longer works when the steering wheel is turned 180°. Now you have to use your other hand and the indication is reversed, forcing you to look and think. I have a paddle shift car with the paddles attached to the steering wheel. With the wheel at 180° I use the floor shifter This is the same design stupidity that turned the yoke steering wheel in the Model S into an option, and why you can't access the forward cargo tiedowns in a Cybertruck with the bed loaded. Form is supposed to FOLLOW function. Great industrial design is supposed to improve the user experience not degrade it.
This is funny. You never change hands when you turn. When you unwind the steering wheel, you do change hands. This makes me belive that you cant indicate while you change hands.
I am EV owner and i totally disillusioned. From the get go there was battery issues then i got that fixed and now my home charger (in warranty) is not working. I live in the west of Ireland depending on public chargers! It a month since i can charge at home. (inconvenience and extra cost) I am told by the supplier that they waiting on parts in the UK and also people to fix my charger even when i get the parts don’t want to fix because i am in a rural location. My advice is think long and hard before buying one.
@@NevoEVReviewIreland Yes indeed, the street was a narrow and your multipoint turn was deftly executed. As a Model Y driver of over two years, I would very much welcome a tighter turning circle.
Lovely car! Do you happen to know what’s the best insurance for learners when it comes to Tesla M3? Also, what do you think of the new BMW iX1 esport 20 vs Tesla M3?
Thanks for the questions. Insurance will unfortunately require to call around and use some brokers. iX1 is a great car but on the expensive side. SUV so tall driving position. Tesla is much lower down so depends on your preference. 10's of thousands of euro cheaper too
@@NevoEVReviewIreland for example, ora 07 was supposed to arrive in early 24 and there’s still no update on it and also the Denza D9 was supposed to begin deliveries here in Q1 24 and that hasn’t started either
If someone is nice to me, I go left right left with the indicators. Is this possible without stalks? Cars with the minimum 3 flashes can mess it up even with stalks. Great vid Des
@@982ru Your hands must be the size of kitten paws, because any adult human would have no problem keeping both hands on the steering wheel while lifting a mere finger to turn the stalk. You can spin it however you want, but the lack of physical inputs is a cost saving measure, along with that dated IKEA interior.
@@dr.andersonsghost4315 If you spin turning wheel from 9-3 to 2-8, you'll need to release your left hand ( position 2) and go fishing for stalk ( position 9) to indicate, no matter how big you bearhands are. Any cheap casio is much more functional then the most expensive rolex. Buying Rolls-Royce over Tesla because of craftsmanship is one thing, but buying any other car over Tesla because of funcionality is ROFL.
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Steering wheel vertical and trying to press a little button is not ideal in any car
Those who are driving with it don't seem to mind
Good vid as ever Derek,,however “You get used to it” but we shouldn’t have to get used to unorthodox unintuitive dangerous control interfaces. You can go from a Merc to Skoda, to a bmw, or Ford and everything is pretty much as expected and intuitive. No drivers cockpit, less controls. No thanks not for me.
Thanks for the comment Noel. Definitely won't be for everyone
@@oceanfroggie I’m sure the same argument was said about automobiles instead of horse and carriages.
@@techfu582 Not really, this is more about intelligent human user interface or lack of it rather than a contrast such as between a canoe and a jetski.
@@oceanfroggie That is purely subjective. An “intelligent human user interface” is dependent on an individual. As the poster said, you get used to it. You adapt to it. Some people will find it intuitive and adapt quickly, others will find it less so. Some people find using a fork awkward, some people find using chopsticks awkward, and some people find using your hands to be awkward. Yet there is no right or wrong way to eat. I understand you said it’s a no for you personally, which is okay, but it does have its benefits. Ive only test driven the car overnight, but I can say not having to take my hands off the steering wheel felt just a bit more safe. Which is something I had never really thought of until I drove without the stalks.
@@techfu582 As Spock said to Kirk "Your right"
As someone who drives both M3 on a daily basis ( Highland and Pre-Highland ) I can only say it is really not an issue, the brain and muscle memory adapts to it very quickly.
Funnily I never try to reach the stalks in the Highland but in the old one I often try to click the Buttons, which of course are not there 🙈
Great to hear from an owner of both and very interesting to hear about the reach for the button!
I managed a one hour test drive in a Tesla Model 3 2024 model without stalks. In that short time I did find myself fighting 36 years of muscle memory as I reached for those missing indicator stalks. It’s reassuring to read that adaptation happens quickly. Perhaps I’ll find out when my Cybertruck order arrives? 😂
@@markusw4715 I mean as a tesla owner we often say "its no issues, no big deal" because we already have the car and we have no choice but to learn and get used to it, in reality tho the stalkless design is a little more inconvenient than the stalk, yes we do get used to it but its a downgrade
I glued small dome rubber buttons over the flat existing buttons. Now, it’s easy to find the location of them without looking.
It's like a fixed to a problem that doesn't exist before.
"You'll get used to it " is now the Tesla design approach instead of "It's better than before".
I'm sure anyone can get use to it I just don't see the point in it. Why reinvent something that doesn't need it, indicator stalks were much better and more functional. I'm all for moving technology forward if it improves driving, this doesn't. There is so much to like about Teslas and the new model 3 has a lot of improvements over the older version but the lack of stalks is a deal breaker for me. Please Tesla, at least offer stalks as an option.
I wonder will they ever? Rumours of Euro NCAP looking to have physical buttons
@MrDAVIDATKIN yes that would be great if they could offer stalks! I have roundabouts everywhere and stalks are better than this!
Coming from a 2019 model 3 to a stalkless 2024 it took me about a month to 100% nail every roundabout type. I actually found it easier when driving on the left ( based in RHD country). This is a non issue, go ahead and buy it if considering, you will not regret it.
I wondered if the side of the road made any difference. Thanks for the comment and great to hear from actual owners and not just the haters
It's not a case of getting used to it, it's a case of learning to put up with it because you literally have no choice.
IMO
It's better because you can have both hands on the steering wheel while in roundabout.
I read an article that said the Dutch team behind the so called ‘s3xy’ buttons were working on an indicator stalks for the M3 Highland.
Thanks for the comments all.
@@982ru Since when you cant have both hands on the wheel with stalks? You use a finger to move the stalk with out EVER looking at it. regardless of where you wheel is.
@@utlord How do you turn the steering wheel without moving your hands ????
In Australia, the indicator stalk is on the right (left is wipers), but now they've got the buttons on the left... I'm glad I don't have to adjust to this as a non-Tesla EV driver (Ioniq gang!)
Which IONIQ? Thanks for the comment
@@NevoEVReviewIreland 6. Not many around. Loving the car (but not loving all of the recalls...)
Indicator stalk on model 3 pre highland is on the left. Gear shift is on the right. Australia model. Source: I'm driving one
This was really useful and I wish there were more reviews which do this sort of thing.
My conclusion was to my surprise I could live with the button indicators. What I could not live with is the gear shift on the iPad which became clear when the five point turn was done. It is just ghastly. What may or may not have been intended was the camera view of the map where we could all see which exit was expected and when you took it. My overall impression is that if I am to pay this much for an EV I do not want an on the road iPad experience; I want to drive a car.
Thanks Paul. Appreciate the comment. Very livable with the buttons instead of indicators. The minimalist touchscreen is very much a choice to be made
Yes, the on-screen gear shift looked horrendous - didn’t like that it took a definite effort to ensure that it was engaged. The flip back that it did on the first reverse shift (@8:50) would drive me nuts, especially if it had a habit of doing that frequently. Situation that comes to mind is when parking into a tight parking spot, when you need to shift quickly, esp. if you’re trying to get out of the way of following traffic.
The indicators look like it’s just a case of getting used to them. Though - I still find it a faff when wanting to change the Regen level paddles on the Kia.. like, wanting more braking effort, and the paddles have moved around with the wheel. First world problems !!!
The Walkinstown roundabout has 6 roads and 17 lanes
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I would move the buttons to middle of the wheel. Two big rings one inner and outer ring as stalk buttons, then you can blink easily no matter wheel position 😂
Great idea
Yes, lets get straight into it
Very informative, I’m toying with getting this model early next year and the stalls is my one worry, but after seeing this in real world situations I feel it’ll be instinctive before long.
Cheers 👍🏼
Seems ok and not as bad as I had imagined. I would rather have physical stalks but not a deal breaker as I had imagined re indicators and reverse function.
I think a lot if it will depend on driving style. These days you're taught to keep arms clear of the steering wheel airbag, which is quite awkward to do in practice.
I'm speechless... At least when the steering is set to Standard or Sport, you can just keep your hand constantly in the same place, with thumb hovering on the indicator, while applying force with the other hand to steer. Neither hand changes position on the steering wheel at any point.
That way you're constantly aware where to press / ready to press the indicator when needed. And it's safer compared to using stalks, since at no point are your hands leaving the steering wheel.
The amount of tucking and changing hand positions you do on the video is just nuts.
In your area are you not told to feed the wheel/keep your hands at 10 and 2?
1. Get sexy buttons.
2. Set one button as a left indicator.Set the other one as a right indicator.
3. Place the buttons on the backside of your steering wheel exactly where the hands are positioned.
4. Use the Tesla buttons on the steering wheel when driving on the highway. Use the sexy buttons in roundabouts.
5. Enjoy the best of both worlds for an unmatched driving experience.
Nice idea!
I think Ferrari style indicator switches are a bit easier to use. With the two buttons on either side.
Oh yes! Good idea
Wrong. In right hand drive countries you have some cars with stalk left from the steering wheel ( example EU, American cars) and some right from the steering wheel ( Japanese cars). For indicating left you push down on left stalk, but you push up on right stalk. So it's not about up is right or up is left. It's about pushing the stalk in the same ( clockwise, anticlockwise) direction as you'll be turning the steering wheel. The same is true for Tesla configuration ( you press the button in the same ( clockwise, anticlockwise) direction as you'll be turning the steering whell, wherever buttons might be. But it gets a lot more confusing whit buttons on left and right, once you get over certain threshold.
Nice one Derek. I'm looking at a 2021 Model 3 Long Range at the moment. Eager to go look at it next week, would be my first EV. If only I could bring you along to check it out for me 😊
Private or dealer?
@@NevoEVReviewIreland Dealer, in Dublin. LR and low ish mileage.
I should have added more info, apologies! It's in black and with a dealer on JFK road. Seems a good deal at €32k.
Great video showing how they work in what would be the worst case scenarios. From my own experience with them I actually prefer this set up to stalks. A change I didn’t know I’d like so much
I am hearing very little complaints from those who have tried it!
8:42 I saw you going for the stalk there 😅
Ah yeah, muscle memory for 25 years driving will do that 😉
@@NevoEVReviewIreland why does Tesla do this? not needed
Seems manageable, but not as easy as a stalk that you can just catch with a raised finger as you turn the wheel.
It’s like Harley Davidson clinging on to having the left indicator switch on the left bar, and the right on the right bar, and no independent cancel button.
Right hands already busy with throttle and braking, and the auto cancel doesn’t always work, so it’s a pita. Combined with the smarmy salesman, it was a deal breaker.
Thanks for the comment. I didn't know that about Harley. Will they ever change do you think?
@@NevoEVReviewIreland They did, on their Street 750 (discontinued) and their Pan America adventure bike which was designed to compete with similar class bikes like the famous BMW GS. They know it's a stupid system that no one else uses so only changed it when they were forced to. Tesla could take a hint
Cheers mate
You’re lucky people indicate. I the UK they stopped teaching this skill many years ago . As a result you never know when someone is continuing around the roundabout as they only ever indicate when leaving 🙄
I test drove the new Highland Model 3 a few weeks ago. The gear shift on screen is no problem at all and indicator buttons were easy to get used to as well.
This is a deal breaker. They better bring back stalks for 2025. Who wants to be swiping the screen to change gears absolutely ridiculous. Keeping my 2022 until they fix this.
Thanks for the comment. I think they may hold their ground
@@NevoEVReviewIreland damn well that sucks. The aftermarket stalks aren’t sturdy and shift. Oh well
@@NevoEVReviewIreland Probably not. Safety scores are very important for Tesla. If they want to have 5 star safety rating from 2026 they need to have stalks.
Great video Derek. I’ve recently bought a model 3 highland and I believe they are targeted towards those people coming from a BMW 😂. I think the stalk issue has been over exaggerated by a few and once you have gotten use to it you’ll find it hard going back to stalks.
Definitely what you get used to
Reorient. Oh, it's easy the top button is turn right, and the bottom button is turn left. That no longer works when the steering wheel is turned 180°. Now you have to use your other hand and the indication is reversed, forcing you to look and think. I have a paddle shift car with the paddles attached to the steering wheel. With the wheel at 180° I use the floor shifter
This is the same design stupidity that turned the yoke steering wheel in the Model S into an option, and why you can't access the forward cargo tiedowns in a Cybertruck with the bed loaded. Form is supposed to FOLLOW function. Great industrial design is supposed to improve the user experience not degrade it.
Evening mate
This is funny. You never change hands when you turn. When you unwind the steering wheel, you do change hands. This makes me belive that you cant indicate while you change hands.
Yeah... even less controls. Nope.
Those who have tried it are not put off by it
@@NevoEVReviewIreland Some of them
I am EV owner and i totally disillusioned. From the get go there was battery issues then i got that fixed and now my home charger (in warranty) is not working. I live in the west of Ireland depending on public chargers! It a month since i can charge at home. (inconvenience and extra cost) I am told by the supplier that they waiting on parts in the UK and also people to fix my charger even when i get the parts don’t want to fix because i am in a rural location. My advice is think long and hard before buying one.
Sounds very strange John and sorry to hear about the issues
First ! Like your work
Thanks Daniel, I appreciate that you took the time to comment
how tall are you?
6'2" or 188cm
Careful now, you’ll be needing a nautical chart, a sextant and a course plotter for those u turns……. The turning circle on the Model Y is even worse.
It was a very narrow street in fairness.
@@NevoEVReviewIreland Yes indeed, the street was a narrow and your multipoint turn was deftly executed. As a Model Y driver of over two years, I would very much welcome a tighter turning circle.
Lovely car!
Do you happen to know what’s the best insurance for learners when it comes to Tesla M3?
Also, what do you think of the new BMW iX1 esport 20 vs Tesla M3?
Thanks for the questions.
Insurance will unfortunately require to call around and use some brokers.
iX1 is a great car but on the expensive side. SUV so tall driving position. Tesla is much lower down so depends on your preference. 10's of thousands of euro cheaper too
Can you tell me why Chinese car companies are delaying coming to Ireland?
Like who exactly?
@@NevoEVReviewIreland for example, ora 07 was supposed to arrive in early 24 and there’s still no update on it and also the Denza D9 was supposed to begin deliveries here in Q1 24 and that hasn’t started either
If someone is nice to me, I go left right left with the indicators. Is this possible without stalks? Cars with the minimum 3 flashes can mess it up even with stalks.
Great vid
Des
More common here to tap the warning flashers and immediately cancel so you get one or two flashes of both indicators.
I notice you didnt indicate into any gas stations to fill up on gasolene .
Who cares about the lack of stalks .
Model 3 ultra red on the way next week ish.
Stunning colour
Very nice, saw one in Limerick the other day and it looked very well
The new ergonomics is an utter joke.
It's better because you can have both hands on the steering wheel when in roundabout.
@@982ru Your hands must be the size of kitten paws, because any adult human would have no problem keeping both hands on the steering wheel while lifting a mere finger to turn the stalk. You can spin it however you want, but the lack of physical inputs is a cost saving measure, along with that dated IKEA interior.
Thanks both for the comments. It's definitely divisive
@@dr.andersonsghost4315 If you spin turning wheel from 9-3 to 2-8, you'll need to release your left hand ( position 2) and go fishing for stalk ( position 9) to indicate, no matter how big you bearhands are. Any cheap casio is much more functional then the most expensive rolex. Buying Rolls-Royce over Tesla because of craftsmanship is one thing, but buying any other car over Tesla because of funcionality is ROFL.
@@982ru It's worse because you have to look down at the wheel to find the controls when on a roundabout.
FSD will be coming soon
Not sure if in Europe
@@NevoEVReviewIreland Germany are getting it and China
My First Drive with Tesla FSD 12.3.6 - Full Neural Network Artificial Intelligence
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Enshittification at its finest
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not good for one hand driving
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