He did not "put kuma down" at all tho. He literally did little to no damage and resigned himself to die in Luffy's place. That was the whole point of that scene.
For most of timeskip before ennies lobby, zoro and luffy were honestly pretty close in terms of strength. But luffy pretty much destroys after getting gear 2 and 3
I think its still pretty close even after Ennies Lobby. Zoro is still almost as strong as gear 2 Luffy with asura included. His asura is an unknown multiplier but it makes him significantly stronger than Kaku at his best. Ennies Lobby power levels are about this. base Luffy(850), base Zoro(2100+zoan multiplier), asura Zoro(significantly above 2200+zoan multiplier), gear 2/3 Luffy(3950+zoan multiplier), gear 3 doesn't really work unless you catch them off guard. It'd probably even be a disadvantage against Zoro unless he uses gear 2 and gear 3 at the same time. If he has to do that, it's extreme diff no matter what.
"finishing pre time skip and going to post time skip it should be clear that zoro is a good bit above his captain" ?????? in ONE PIECE? or some other story? no fanbase come close to zoro fans when it comes to making their own happiness.. a tier above the rest
Well he's right up untill dressrossa 😅 yeah luffy trained wit reyligh but rey is retired zoro trained wit mihawk the diff is luffy fought the island monsters untill he could fight rey zoro fought for his life daily or else mihawk would murk his ahh😂😂
@@charlesredd9619 Oda literally spoon feeds to the audience the difference between Luffy and his two wings right at the start of post time skip in Return to Sabaodi, when luffy one shotted the pacifista alone, and zoro & sanji together took one out..
@n.6847 *sigh* clearly he didn't spoon feed far enough down neck they took it out at the same time because they rivals they both could have put 1 down next argument plzz
@@charlesredd9619 this is like saying both Law and Kid only took down Big Mom together cause they are Worst Gen rivals, and that they could have taken her down individually.. they both even got the same bounty as Luffy who took a Yonko down solo after all.. .Mangaka's put things in to their story in specific ways for specific purposes.. To say Zoro&Sanji individually "could have" at that point of the story is your headcanon, when it was shown that they didnt individually.
honestly i have some issues with this video, mainly in regards to how strong you made zoro out to be, zoro did do well against kuma but he didn't put him down and we see later in sabaody that if kuma wanted to get rid of zoro there wasn't anything he could do about it. So the statement of him putting down a stronger warlord than the one luffy did is disingenuous since zoro didn't and couldn't put down kuma. And zoro in thriller bark was overwhelmed by oars who you already explained was inferior to the 1000 shadow amped moria that luffy beat. Also his nothing happened feat is an insane feat of endurance, which would be above luffys at this point, which is honestly crazy because of luffys rubber body but it's not a direct durability feat. Zoro took all the pain and fatigue but he didn't tank the hits and take the damage that caused that pain, just the end result. So saying he can take anything luffy can dish out just because of that just seems wrong. Also talking about fishman island, you made the claim that zoro was able to give g2 and 3 a fight because of him taking out hyouzou (octopus) while g2 did nothing to him, but thats under the assumption that luffy was going all out to take him out which isn't the case and we see a g2 luffy being able to damage a hody who not ony has a stronger base than hyouzou but also ate an ungodly amount of powerpills compared to every other fishman in the arc. This doesn't mean that I think zoros way weaker since he essentially no diffed his opponent like everyone else did in that arc but I'm just pointing out that the reasoning and explanation is flawed
Yeah zoro time skip really just play around something ,the really challenge for him to fight is just admire Fujitora and top strong characters in wano arc.
@@Clover298 No, but if thats all it takes to NOT be considered a swordsmen, then big mom and king are swordsmen by that logic. Since they didnt just randomly start swinging a sword.
Brute strength and sword skills aren't the same thing though. Zoro cut himself out the chimney in Water 7 but Luffy in that exact predicament wouldn't have been able to because he doesn't have the sword skills.They fight differently.
@@zodiac5790 They still are, why do you think he is not becuase of gear 5? Well Shanks don't have a transformation and is stronger than Luffy. So transformation is not strength, it's haki. Zoro has all three haki like Luffy while Sanji has only two and zero advance haki.
@@worldbosspf1 transformation and haki are both strength🤦 and Luffy has both better transformation and haki than zoro, also yonko level one shots first commander🤷
@@zodiac5790 😂 Bro said Zoro is first commander level. Isn't Marco first commander level? Why didn't he get one shot by Big Mom? Not All first commanders are on the same level. Same as not all Yonko are on the same level. Luffy got one shot by Kaido because they are the weaklings in the "first commander" tier. Wasn't Oden a second commander stronger than Kaido a Yonko? Isn't Rayliegh a first commander out of his prime enough to scare Blackbeard (a yonko) away and said that in his prime he could take him. So no Zoro is not as weak as Kat or Luffy when he first got to wano.
Pretty much was always the case the luffy was stronger, mf. You don’t always have to suckle Zoro’s third sword dry of haki in every video. You can leave it for someone else every once in a while, I promise. Both Zoro and Sanji lost after fighting arlong together. Zoro being weakened during that doesn’t inherently mean here’s relative to luffy who actually beat arlong. In the nothing happened scene where Zoro takes Luffy’s pain, they say would’ve killed luffy. But like, it was supposedly gonna kill Zoro too and yet the brotha didn’t die. Clearly it’s not so cut and dry. This is an infamously impressive endurance feat, but idk where that makes Zoro stronger than luffy since this clearly isn’t traditional damage or even an “attack” at all. It’s pain. A little prior to this, Zoro does dodge some of kuma attacks and strikes kuma, but this does literally no damage to kuma. Sanji strikes kuma and it still does no damage, to which sanji claims that kuma is stronger than steel. Which makes sense since neither Zoro or sanji can hurt him even though Zoro can cut steel, sanji can hurt blueno and Jabra despite their iron body, and even earlier than this it’s more or less implied in other ways that sanji can damage steel such as in an sbs about how many wooden bats sanji can kick through and that one movie where Zoro notes that this person’s kicks were strong enough to break steel after breaking Zoro’s metal chains and then Zoro immediately says sanji kicks harder than him. Kuma is stronger than Moria, but that doesn’t in any way make Zoro stronger than luffy. Then in sabaody Zoro does display some relativity to luffy and sanji despite still not having fully recovered from prior, but he doesn’t actually perform as well as sanji and luffy. Sanji and luffy have to constantly be concerned about Zoro’s state during the battle and save him multiple times when he completely collapses. Go figure nerfed Zoro doesn’t perform as well as non weakened sanji and luffy. It’s understandable obviously, but it doesn’t make Zoro stronger than luffy. Still incredibly impressive, but like…not superior to luffy. Obviously by marineford luffy has absolutely gotten at least a little stronger, denying that is kinda silly. And in wano idk why you keep peddling this idea that zoro was still nerfed by the end of the raid on onigashima. He wasn’t, he was healed to temporary full strength. Chopper says this directly. You’re just assuming he’s still weakened so you can wank him. And it’s not like he’s not any weaker in egghead either. Same thing with “turning Kaku’s attacks into mist.” This is like the second video you’ve said this. Such a random thing to wank. Zoro clashed with kaku’s air slashes and turned them to “mist.” wtf else were they supposed to turn into? It’s air. Zoro’s “rivalry” with luffy is best described in that one dessrosa vivre card. He competes for first and second place strongest in the straw hats. Meaning he competes with luffy for first and competes with sanji for second. We know his rivalry with sanji is outright compared to the rivalry between dorry and brogy who are equal, and his rivalry with luffy peaks at the moments throughout the manga where Zoro and sanji show moderate relativity to luffy. Whisky peak, water 7, sabaody, etc.
@@D1Kwazy I mean, nobody has to lol. Tylearned made an entire script and edited video much longer than my comment, so it’s not like I’m putting in a desperate amount of effort. And it’s not like I get any profit or success from someone reading it, so it’s not that deep. Just my thoughts on the subject that anyone can read if they want.
Zoro only power up post timeskip is Enma which is Ap Meaning rooftop zoro=sabaody Zoro with more Ap Base Rooftop luffy low-mid diffs sabaody gear 4 luffy Meaning until luffy got acoa and acoo Zoro would no diff him Cope
Aint going to lie this is no Sasuke vs Naruto in every arc it kinda obvious luffy was above for most of the arcs most of the time Like dude had gear four in his pocket when they reunite again The gap of luffy to zoro is what Zoro fans think the gap of Zoro to sanji is
"luffy had gear 4 in his pocket" yh and zoro didn't get any power up until wano with enma, so unless u think g4 luffy against doflamingo would beat that zoro, post time skip zoro was basically the same until wano, he was the only one in the monster trio that didn't struggle with any of his opps he basically low to mid them, (yes they were weaker than luffys opps) but luffy barely won his, against doflamingo he had to use g4 twice and got 10 min break, same thing with CRACKER and same thing with katakuri, luffy always get lucky circumstances that he gets to rest for a whole 10 min, no one else in the entire series gets that type of treatment and ppl just like to ignore that... luffy is essentially using his trump card TWICE almost every time, zoro used asura only like 3 times in the entire series so far, first time in post time skip against kaido in wano... so the gap was not large at all until luffy got g5 and acoc, he just fought the stronger villains which makes him look good but he was the most damaged all the time not to mention all the second chances he got. in a fair death match luffy should've died all the way back with doffy, cracker or katakuri.
@@zacksoclean so couldnt fujitora so whats your point? you saying dressarosa luffy is stronger than fujitora? it was literally stated that the bird cage strings were basically indestructible but yh don't watch the series like 80% of so called one piece fans
Zoro is potrayed weaker than Wyper in Skypiea. While Wyper was portayed relative to even above Luffy in durability considering he tanks multiple lightning attacks while zoro got ko'd by one.
Zoro fans will: 1. Antagonise Kuma, the OG sungod believer. 2. Blatantly disregard oda saying that Zoro died. 3. Over exaggerate Kuma's statement about Luffy's pain. Just so that they can give Zoro "nothing happened" as a feat😂😂😂
Nothing happened is a feat no matter how much you hate Zoro that feat directly proved that Zoro had better endurance than luffy at that point.. also nobody antagonised kuma it just that he was an antagonist in thriller bark regardless of he was in luffy's side or not.. also kuma's statement about luffy's pain is not over exaggeration at all... Zoro straight up tanked the pain and fatigue that made luffy pass out while being severely injured and we know from kuma's flashback that the pain Zoro tanked was enough to make kuma pass out who is a buccaneer himself and was taking pain on a regular basis yet he still said that.. this is one of the best endurance feat in the series but all you can do is hate on Zoro fans for saying facts
@@RimuruTempest-wl1ru Thinking Nothing happened as a feat would require: A) Ignoring the fact that Kuma knew Luffy has the same powers as Nika since Luffy was 6, Or, B) Thinking Kuma is a sadistic asshole who would make Zoro take ALL of luffy's pain just to prove a point about loyalty. Both of those take severe bastardization of kuma's character. But go off lil bro, tell us how Zoro = 6 Admirals P.S.: He blatantly said in the video that Zoro damaged Kuma. This in fact, did not happen.
How is Wano Zoro stronger than Egghead Zoro who fought Lucci? I'm sorry but that makes no sense at all. Also I'm 90% sure Zoro was not stronger than Luffy in any arc. It's about the way he potrays him as a writer, rather than feats. Although Zoro is still icredibly powerful. I think it's pretty obvious he's yet to surpass Law & Kid, by the way Oda portrays strenght.
He meant that egghead arc was weaker cuz he was only in base form or basic armament, whereas wano used adv conq haki and king of hell mode, obviously if egghead zoro went king of hell mode he would demolish wano zoro
@@dontknowwhattonamethechann9638 Yeah but it's still dumb, if he's basing it off feats then sure, but by that logic, WCI Zoro loses to Syrup village Zoro 😭
@@iliasismail5922actually wrong lol,g4 luffy could keep up with kaido for a bit after he gets his advanced haki,zoro got raped by king until the writers removed his mask,you could say kaido was tired but even zoro fought him and couldn’t keep up at all except from ashura
Ngl I disagree with the Zoro and Luffy scaling from Thriller bark and Sabody arc. Not to also look like a Luffy glazer but I don’t think Base Luffy WCI> Dressrosa G4 Luffy.
@ I disagree bc of the fact that Bounceman could at least overpower Kat multiple time when Kat Observation Haki is down while Base Luffy isn’t really overpowering but rather fighting relative due to gaining FS.
In the first half of the fight Kat could damage Boundman with his Peerless Donuts; later on though Base Luffy could clash with/block similar attacks, even after having his side torn out by Mogura. If the gap in durability between base and G4 was miniscule this wouldn’t mean much, but given how G4 could no sell attacks from Doffy which could stagger base/G2 Luffy, this would be a notable amp to mirror world Luffy’s durability, and arguably his AP as stronger Haki inherently translates to greater power.
@ Damaging G4 Bounceman is fine. As again that started when Kat was calm and can use FS again. I’m talking about Bounceman against no FS Kat. Base Luffy with FS never really replicate that feat against Kat with FS. He might clash or block an attack temporarily but even then Kat’s armament still end up hurting Luffy. Like you rarely get a panel of just Luffy completely overwhelming Kat like Bounceman could(angry Kat)
Zoro still has 5 power ups he needs to get: 1) he needs to master his advanced conquerors now that he unlocked it 2) he needs to become able to turn blades into Black Blades (which seems to require better haki and more battles from him) 3/4/5) each of his 3 Blades can turn into Black blade in the future. (Which even if they don't rise a rank, would each be a power up)
The current gap between Luffy and the crew is mind blowing. Assuming Katakuri and King are about equal, Zoro with enma would be about as strong as whole cake Luffy. The same one that gets one shot by Kaido. The one that got a training buff, an armament haki buff, then another amament haki buff, a conqueror’s haki buff, and then gear 5 which is stronger/faster/and much harder to fight. The gap is just so wide it’s hard to imagine a world where zoro closes it without a stupidly strong buff.
Maybe Zoro and Luffy were comparable during pre-timeskip but after timeskip, the gap was either widening or closing in until Wano But currently, KOH Zoro doesn’t even get past base acoc Luffy if I’m being honest. At best, KOH Zoro > g4 acoa Luffy
@@M_aakSo we are going to ignore the fact that base acoc luffy is clashing with a stronger kaido which results in the sky being split( something zoro hasn’t done once ). It should be obvious kaido was trying against luffy a lot more than anyone on rooftop. He starts outputting stronger haki + starts using stronger moves which luffy survives for the most part. You cant be telling me KOH zoro is that close to base acoc luffy without having to wank zoro to a level he isn’t even at, especially when BASE luffy is clashing with hybrid kaido which upscales the feat. And considering luffy and kaido’s haki was blooming/getting stronger for the entire time, base luffy, if we are wanking zoro, is high diffing KoH zoro. There’s multiple evidence that proves base ACOC luffy is far above KOH zoro. And before you pull up that “Luffy is weak to swords” excuse, luffy being vulnerable to cutting attacks isn’t supplementary evidence to say zoro can deal serious damage. If we truly believe zoro can severely damage luffy, we would be implying zoro has kaido level AP which is 100% invalid. And considering luffy in base is surviving attacks from a stronger hybrid kaido who’s outputting stronger haki, zoro actually severely damaging luffy isn’t necessarily valid( and yes I’ve seen people say zoro can do serious damage to luffy because of the cutting attacks argument )
@CluelessMonkeyKing this is exact problem with the fandom u see something cool from the mc and ignore the fact its portrayal u probably think base luffy = kaido just cuz of clashing, something even yamato was doing, but somehow luffy barely won in g5 a form miles stronger than his base??? Learn portrayal, the sky splitting and that little skirmish is just a way to show how far luffy has come as a fighter. How can koh zoro split the sky if he hasnt clashed with another acoc user like kaido yet, that point didn't even make sense, + it needs portrayal he would probably only ever do that with mihawk. When luffy got acoc it was a clear sign that was a huge power up, there is a misunderstanding that zoro got acoc first he didnt, he got it fighting king, so u dont even know how strong current zoro is. If rooftop zoro was doing better than G4 rooftop luffy, then koh acoc zoro > base acoc luffy. Zoro would be doing what yamato and luffy but much better because yamato only dealt a drop of blood with acoc while zoro with armament left him a scar, zoro would lose but he would do much better than, base acoc luffy and acoc hybrid yamato, why dont u watch all of wano again. tbh only pure unbias ppl can see this 🤦🏾♂️, even the youtuber admits koh zoro would be doing what base luffy did but better
@CluelessMonkeyKing and yes zoros attack will deal more dmg than kaido with a club at that moment in time..., everyone knows swordsman have one of th3 highest AP in the series, its evident when luffy is dashing all of his strongest attacks before he unlocks acoc and did nothing while zoro, 1 sword style got kaido dodging cuting his cheek, then a weaker zoro using his last strength cut him. Mind u kaido is much durable than luffy who mind u is much more susceptible to cuts than anyone there...🤦🏾♂️ may i remind u the training luffy got to get ryou, zoro *ALREADY* had that all the way back in early post time skip, u can see him use it against pika, luffy mentor said swordsman usually find it easier to learn, luffy was trying to catch up to zoros armament.
@ Buddy when did I say base luffy is equal to kaido??? All I’m saying is base ACOC luffy performed much better than zoro has. There are feats to back this up. We see the sky splitting feat which proves relativity, luffy surviving attacks from a kaido who’s obviously starting to go all out, then even before gear 5, luffy is still consistently damaging kaido and keeping up with kaido. Plus it’s stated multiple times that kaido’s haki continues to grow which means luffy is adapting to kaido’s increasing power. Even before wano, Rayleigh states haki blooms as a battle extends for a period of time. You honestly can’t be telling me KOH zoro’s power is that of base acoc level when luffy has the haki advantage by a pretty big gap, but he also has the AP, speed, durability, and endurance. What does Yamato have to do with this?? There’s no point comparing her to base ACOC luffy since luffy performs far better than her. Now let’s look at zoro’s performance. We know zoro’s best feat on rooftop is outpacing and scaring kaido with just a sample of conquers. This is impressive but how does the scar have any significance to kaido’s defeat? Kaido acknowledges Zoro’s effort then the attack is never mentioned again. Meanwhile, luffy, after awakening conquers, is compared to kaido’s top 5 opponents. To put it into perspective, kaido’s top 5 opponents are the fighterr, kaido believes, that can put up a good fight against kaido with oden doing the best. So luffy being compared to the top 5 opponents after just unlocking ACOC is pretty impressive. So afterwards, zoro demolishes king with acoc. So how will current zoro perform better than luffy exactly? He doesn’t put down kaido after landing ashura. Even after the mink drug, king overpowers Zoro before acoc. And it was after acoc that zoro was finally able to defeat king( which tbh zoro went high diff against king ). Zoro may be able to damage base luffy but zoro isn’t putting luffy down. Base Luffy’s feats against kaido should solidify the gap between the yonko and his first commander. And considering people put YAMATO above zoro( which I 100% disagree with ) and base luffy performs better than these 2 people, that just makes it worse for zoro. So no, base luffy has better feats and high diffs KOh zoro if we are being generous
You give Zoro insane props to survive Luffys pain, but everything Luffy when tru from amazon lilly to marineford (zoro still injured figthing some randome monkeys) doesnt change anything for you... The Zoro cope is insane
I felt like zoro was pretty nerfed in a way going into egghead. Its one of the arcs where he wasn't injured but oda kinda wrote him off the arc. He was struggling with lucci for no reason cause one taunt from sanji was enough for him to put Lucci down. He was also super dumb not noticing the lunarian gimmick with the seraphim when he just fought king a couple weeks back. That's just my observation tho.
@@Blackpanther04xx ussop is throw out immediately of this It becomes what you think is more impressive chopper throwing queen or nami knocking down a very weakened ulti
I always used to think that the bias the powerscaling community would meme about was just an exaggeration but goddam these past months I’ve seen you glaze Zoro beyond belief while either blatantly ignoring feats that contradict you all the way to exaggerating actual feats beyond what they are. Been meaning to comment this for a while but been waiting for another Zoro vid 😂
I enjoyed luffy and Zoro being close in power in pre timeskip but wasn’t the biggest fan in post because I find it hard to picture the PK and worlds greatest swordsman’s be be that far in power
@@kaienglish271 dw you'll see more, ppl are glazing luffy hard, his fights against post time skip villains like doffy, cracker and katakuri was him usingall his luck, g4 is his trump card and he gets to use it twice?? not to mention 10 min breaks in between a death fight??? no one else in the entire series gets that treatment but ppl just like to ignore it , and say "oh luffy bodied doffy" like luffy wasn't running away from doffy 10 min ago... g4 also only last for short time so its a double edge sword, ppl don't understand how lucky luffy is. The gap only gets big when he gets g5 and acoc but zoro is gonna close that gap cuz g5 is luffys peak, zoro has more to improve than him.
Sorry but these kind of videos don't really work in a series like one piece when you're comparing casual interactions to serious ones. If you take casual Luffy feats at face value you'd think Franky was stronger than him during water 7. Zoro has never been stronger than Luffy. The one possible time he could have been is the brief moment that he used ACOC on Kaido with Dead Man's game.
The other thing people don't talk about is that in the post time skip zoro's speed scaling is mid at best he really had no impressive speed feats until wano.
@@ChristDTimix zoro didnt get a power up until wano, luffy was the getting constant power up and g4 was his trump card, and against doffy, cracker and katakuri, luffy used that trump card twice, he even got *10 MIN BREAKS* in between them, no one else in the entire series that much treatment, u guys are glazing luffy so hard, the gap really only gets large when he gets g5 and acoc. luffy just looks so much stronger cuz he has to fight the main villain for plot, but again it was like luffy vs crocodile against those guys, they should've beat him easily but they lost to plot hard..
bro you making kuma and zoro fight look closer than it real was we see in the next arc that kuma could of sent zoro away with easy and in his backstroy we sse that he went easy on the strawhats cause luffy is dragons son and zoro was not able to do any damage to kuma and the galze in sabody is also wack
To call zoro’s performance against Enel bad when he couldn’t even hit him is pretty disingenuous. Alabasta should’ve just been ignored because that entire interaction of luffy vs crocodile was just bad writing and thanks to marineford, those luffy feats are a nothing salad
Luffy woulda survived the pain from the kuma bubble that wasn’t a strength feat it was a narrative feat to show just how loyal zoro is to luffy. Luffy is clearly stronger than zoro at that point as I said prior the closest was east blue and then return to sabaody
Of course Luffy would have survived, it's literally HIS pain which he had already taken before anyway. What makes Zoro impressive is that he took Luffy's pain ON TOP of all the damage he had taken against Oars and Kuma.
Pre time skip it was back and forth with Zoro and Luffy, post time skip zoro didn't go all out until wano. So I think zoro was stronger than luffy after the timeskip up until whole cake island. Mihawk made zoro a monster and no disrespect to rayleigh. But now the gap is wider after Wano and now in egghead.
I have to disagree on fact base caaba can beat gt goku and vegeta and you forgetting lot of gt feats like omega shernon not doing anything can create domino effect
a zoro fanboy I see. luffy slams. elbaf luffy using gear 4 in base is diabolical work. zoro rly gonna need that oden juice to keep up with the new base luffy.
Luffy base will never beat Zoro … he needs g4 the lowest. Luffys is susceptible to sword point blank period every hit will be a critical for Luffy. ADV coc Asurua you think base Luffy is tanking that… it scared KAIDO imagine what it will do to Luffy.
I think the only 2 things I really have a problem with in this video are: You said Zoro is weaker than Mr. 1, whos weaker than Crocodile despite the fact that Zoro clearly had the upper hand, while only losing out to Mr. 1 because of a matchup disadvantage. You also brought up anime filler of base Luffy harming Lucci, even though thats contradicted by the manga where Lucci toyed with base Luffy, and he clearly was supposed to be nothing compared to even base Lucci at the time.
Idk I’d have to disagree with dressrossa luffy being stronger than dressrossa zoro. Yes I believe zoro could have beaten doffy. He went to attack him but was blocked by Fuji. And zoro didn’t really fight anyone from dressrossa to wano and he only received a boost in AP through Enma taking his haki and turning it into ryou. Enma doesn’t boost his base stats or observation haki. So zoro on the rooftop is practically the same strength as dressrossa zoro but with more AP 🤷🏽♂️
That isn't true at all since we see zoro train I'm wano before roofpeice that zoro is much stronger also zoro un dressrosa couldn't even break doffy string while luffy was able to do it with easy in gear 4
@ fake news. Zoro not breaking the string, plot. Fuji didn’t break the string. Zoro training before rooftop, was to get Enma under control. None of that boosts his base stats. Even if you wanna say zoro training before wano, who was he fighting against? Yakuza fodder? You think zoro got that much stronger by just swinging his sword around?
@@FTL_SAN we see zoro traning by lifting wait along with basic haki traning which in the one piece world traning your haki does increase your stats and fujitora didnt break the string cause he is an admiral and was supposed to help zoro In the end of the arc he display a feat showing that he could of end the arc by himself but didnt do to his obligations were as zoro struggled to break the string cause he couldn't
@ what chapter is zoro shown lifting weights after dressrosa? Because I can’t find it. And what basic haki training is he doing, I’ve never seen it. That sir sounds like a bunch of head canon to me. And you’re saying an admiral as peace loving as Fujitora would not break the bird cage (something that is over kill) in order to “not support zoro”? That doesn’t make any sense. The better answer is that the bird cage was used as a plot device to raise steaks via a ticking time bomb effect. But zoro not being able to break bird cage does not mean zoro cannot harm or defeat doffy.
Easy East Blue: Zoro's stronger, in Whiskey Peak he was stalemating Luffy while suppresed so he would probably low diff, not to mention he didnt even use swords in that fight, an exception would be Arlong Park since Zoro was injured Alabasta-Enies Lobby: Luffy has better feats so him I guess but it would be close since swords are his kryptonite Thriller Bark-Marineford: Zoro low diffs, he surpasses Luffy in ap with his black blade which allows him to utilize Haki and has the best durability feat in pre ts with his Nothing Happened feat, plus the fact swords are Luffys weakness Pre Wano: Zoro wins, he can match one of the strongest Red Scabbards in power who can damage Kaido which a post WCI Luffy wouldnt, he also cuts up Pica in both his mountain and full Haki forms respectively while Luffy can barely blow off his head with two Gear 3 and yes I know Gear 4 is stronger overall but Gear 3 has stronger attacks, this is all eithout Ashura btw, so imagine him with it, yeah Zoro negs Wano-Egghead: Imo I think Zoro wins but it would be very close, but Zoro is inplied to be above Yonko level, as with 1 sword, he is implied to be able to kill Kaido and Big Mom with an attack, hes also able to tank Ocean Soveriegnty, which is the strongesy attack in the verse so far, including Whitebeard whis said to be able to destroy the Earth, OP Earth having multiple moons orbiting it and being very alrge in size, so Zoro tanks parge planet level attacks and is able to casually keep fighting after that even degeayinf someone who can rival Kaido's power King, having greater durability and speed in his flames on and off forms respectively, he also scars Kaido with Asura and was imolied to be able to defeat him if he didnt pass out since it was like Oden who was also stronger than kaido back then, in Egghead as well Zoro takes out Lucci in less attacks than Luffy needed, and beat Nusjuro who eas the strongest Gorosei whole Luffy was losing to Warcury and Jupiter, he also was beatinf on S Hawk the strongest Ssraphim while Luffy was on the losing end against S Bear with Luccis help, yeah Zoro stomps low diff
Most obvious zoro glazers moment he said zoro or luffy low diff the other you know he automatically wrong zoro and luffy would never be able to low diff the other at any point in the manga stop overhyped zoro and overplaying swords are luffy kryptonite cause really they just harm him more its more like superman and magic than superman and krytonite
Zoro with his strongest attack was able to give kaido a paper cut which he never mentions again , so what is that 1 sword style doing to him ? And how is that yonko level , let zoro pass sanji first , luffy legit no diffs him by barraging him with few white star guns , zoro fought lucci the whole that the crew was wondering where tf he is , he was huffing and puffing the whole time , luffy 3 shotted lucci
Main reason i had zoro above luffy pre wano was because zoro had ashura which was an advanced conquers attack since kaido was able to detect conquers within the use of ashura
Punk Hazard Zoro also scales higher than Luffy. Considering Luffy couldn't get through Monet's snow dome or the Dragon's Scales in Gear 2nd. Both of which posed no resistance to Zoro's one sword attacks, which is inherently his second weakest stance. Early series Zoro scales very much above Luffy. Luffy couldn't KO Captain Morgan with 3 attacks, he didn't even leave cosmetic damage. Zoro one tapped him on 3 weeks of starvation. We have Arlong Park Zoro soloing a bunch of fish man as well as the 2nd strongest Fishman swordsman while near death We have a weakened Whiskey peak Zoro matching full power Luffy's strongest attack at the time. As well as stalemating Luffy. Alabasta Zoro was very much stronger than Daz bones, and the only reason it went to extreme diff was because Zoro couldn't get through that type of Steel at that the time (he cut through all 6 of Hatchan's 60kg steel swords in Along Park, so clearly Daz's fruit made his steel body even harder than regular steel) however, if they fought again anytime after that arc, it would be a No Diff fight. The same cannot be said about Luffy and Crocodile though. Luffy lost twice, and got a few recovery opportunities. Skypia is a rough one, Enel was physically manhandling both Luffy and Zoro, so I'll say they're even. However, I'll point out that at this point in the story, Zoro had a grasp on Ryou and a Superhuman ability, learning Tobu Zangeki or Rankyaku as it's known in Rokushiki Enies Lobby Zoro is now utilizing what I can only assume is an application of Conqueror's Haki, with Enbima Yonezu and Ashura, considering Kaku clearly states he's manifesting illusions with his willpower alone. And neither Armament nor Observation has shown abilities similar. Also, Zoro defeats Kaku and still has enough energy to fight others. -Luffy just learns his superhuman ability by creating gear 2nd to perfectly utilize Soru. However, Luffy himself notes after his fight with Blueno that his body cannot handle this technique for too long, and that he still needs time to perfect it. He then fights lucci, who has Luffy beat at a few points but instead of finishing the job like he's been portrayed, instead Lucci starts to shit talk which gives Luffy time to recover (Plot). Ending in an extreme diff fight for Luffy to the point where Luffy is rendered unable to move subsequently. Thriller Bark Zoro is clearly equal to/slightly above Luffy for obvious reasons. Sabaody Luffy is only ahead due to aforementioned injuries sustained by Zoro, who's still portraying relativity to Diable Sanji and Gear 2 Luffy while in base. Early Wano Zoro is > Luffy as Zoro stalemated Denjiro who is a Scabbard, all Scabbards are shown relative to each other and to YC3. Ashura Doji, Nekomamushi and Inuarashi all stalemated Jack in their fights. This can be used to upscale WCI & Zou Zoro, as he hadn't received any Haki Bloom level battles like Luffy, and yet had a similar power level. Which breaks the story given Rayleigh's words in chapter 886, saying training will only get you so far and that the real gains happen in battle. Egghead Zoro is very misinterpreted. Not only did he fight and defeat awakened Kaku, he also fought S-hawk, who we can argue is the strongest seraphim, and then awakened Lucci. The only reason lucci wasn't defeated prior was because Zoro literally would've gotten lost trying to head back to the crew, as Jinbei was running for chapters attempting to get to Zoro's location lol. The moment Zoro sensed his team close, he ended the fight. -comparatively, Luffy briefly incapacitated lucci with 3 named Gear 5th attacks. Zoro took Lucci out the arc as a combatant in a single conqueror's coated santoryu attack. The most we can conclude is that Zoro's AP is significantly higher than Luffy's which should be common sense by now lol. All in all, Zoro was > about 60% - 75% of the story. Because Luffy defeated stronger opponents doesn't automatically make him stronger. Especially if it took multiple attempts to accomplish that, such as against Crocodile, Enel, Moriah, Lucci, Doflamingo and Kaido. Had Zoro fought those opponents with the same amount of attempts, he would undoubtedly win. Hell, I'd wager even Sanji could win with multiple attempts like Luffy got.
“Alabasta Zoro was very much stronger than Daz bones,” Based on what? Best I can recall Zoro did successfully land several attacks on Daz, but as far as clashes go at best neither one had an explicit advantage over the other, and at worst Daz could overpower Zoro (ie when he pushed Zoro back into a building) up until Zoro could cut him. “however, if they fought again anytime after that arc, it would be a No Diff fight.” Except that after the battle in ch 213, Zoro still needs to train to be able to draw on his Haki again, he can’t just do it at will. “The same cannot be said about Luffy and Crocodile though. Luffy lost twice, and got a few recovery opportunities.” Luffy had enough AP to break through Croc’s desert la Spada despite it being a cutting attack, and was blatantly beating Croc in close quarters combat despite his body being weakened by poison. And unlike Zoro’s Haki amp, this was just Luffy’s natural strength, so it actually carries over into later arcs. “Skypia is a rough one, Enel was physically manhandling both Luffy and Zoro,” One of whom was weakened from prior battles and electrocuted by Enel, so it doesn’t accurately reflect Zoro’s best, and one of whom later got stronger over his fight with Enel to the point of nearly oneshoting him (and inspite of Luffy not being at his peak from running up Giant Jack) “However, I'll point out that at this point in the story, Zoro had a grasp on Ryou and a Superhuman ability, learning Tobu Zangeki or Rankyaku as it's known in Rokushiki” Having an air blade isn’t inherently impressive/enough to scale Zoro above Luffy, as in Water 7 and Enies Lobby we’ve seen Luffy withstand tempest kicks without receiving lasting damage. “Enies Lobby Zoro is now utilizing what I can only assume is an application of Conqueror's Haki, with Enbima Yonezu and Ashura, considering Kaku clearly states he's manifesting illusions with his willpower alone.” Even if I agreed that Asura Zoro always had access to conquerors coating (which isn’t a necessity as it could likely only apply to Rooftop Asura, and we’ve seen with other techniques that Zoro could manifest illusions), in the pre timeskip it’s clearly not as great of an amp as it would be against Kaido; Asura Zoro couldn’t even put down a Pacifista that Luffy put down with G3. “Also, Zoro defeats Kaku and still has enough energy to fight others.” Which isn’t enough by itself to get him near Luffy or Lucci in power as Lucci is roughly 2x stronger than Kaku. “Sabaody Luffy is only ahead due to aforementioned injuries sustained by Zoro, who's still portraying relativity to Diable Sanji and Gear 2 Luffy while in base.” Characters landing attacks simultaneously on the same opponent does not inherently translate to relatively in power or speed, especially since all Zoro did was single motions with each of his swords vs Luffy gattling with his arms to build up to his attack. “Early Wano Zoro is > Luffy as Zoro stalemated Denjiro who is a Scabbard” Zoro was never shown to be Denjiro’s equal by that point; all Denjiro did was keep Zoro at bay with no indication that he was going all out, there’s nothing to say that Zoro would scale to Denjiro’s best. “Which breaks the story given Rayleigh's words in chapter 886, saying training will only get you so far and that the real gains happen in battle.” Unrelated to the Luffy vs Zoro points, but this doesn’t “break” the story. Not just because you’ve overestimated Zoro’s scaling based on his relatively to Denjiro, but because Rayleigh’s statement doesn’t exclude the importance of training. Battle may get characters the bigger amps, but it’s still possible to get stronger with training, as seen with Luffy developing his advanced armament. “Not only did he fight and defeat awakened Kaku,” Stussy did, but agree Zoro was the stronger of the two. “he also fought S-hawk, who we can argue is the strongest seraphim,” Based on what? Also he had Kaku’s help for that, and the seraphim as a whole were defeated via capture as opposed to Luffy or Zoro’s combat. “and then awakened Lucci. The only reason lucci wasn't defeated prior was because Zoro literally would've gotten lost trying to head back to the crew, as Jinbei was running for chapters attempting to get to Zoro's location lol. The moment Zoro sensed his team close, he ended the fight.“ Zoro wasn’t holding back for the reason you gave, he was just angry at Sanji’s comment over the Den Den Mushi. And even after that he still wanted to keep fighting after seeing that Lucci hadn’t fallen and could still fight. “-comparatively, Luffy briefly incapacitated lucci with 3 named Gear 5th attacks. Zoro took Lucci out the arc as a combatant in a single conqueror's coated santoryu attack.” An attack being named doesn’t inherently make it stronger/more notable than its unnamed usage. And considering that none of Luffy’s attacks used conquerors coating, and that Luffy’s final blow actually knocked Lucci unconscious unlike Zoro’s conqueror’s enhanced cut, wouldn’t that make Luffy’s hit the more impressive one? ”The most we can conclude is that Zoro's AP is significantly higher than Luffy's which should be common sense by now lol.” The most I could grant is that East Blue Zoro could have had the higher AP, as Luffy’s lack of defense to cutting weapons was established and he didn’t have much scaling to inherently put him above Zoro’s swords. After Whisky Peak put them on equal terms though, and after their scaling to their opponents in Alabasta, Luffy started getting feats/scaling that at worst kept him equal to Zoro, but by every reasonable account he would be some degree higher.
He scarred a much weaker version of Kaido than the one Luffy was matching later in their fight, there’s really nothing to suggest that Zoro could have done anything to a Drunk Kaido.
That was a papercut lol , tell me one chapter where kaido brings up that the scar is making any inconvenience for him in the fight If kaido never said that ,it means the overhyped papercut was insignificant
8:04 i was wondering when he would glaze zoro. Obviously he starts it with zoro was stronger pre time skip😂😂. If we go by "injured zoro was strong as luffy while fighting pacifista" then the entire fight with kaido on rooftop is a injured luffy fighting kaido who is barely injured. Injuries one piece lasts for huffing puffing. Zoro is always injured but it doesnt hinder his strength. Its pretty understand that asura mode zoro will be able to go toe to toe with luffy 2nd gear but he will get blitzed eventually. Zoro definately had more endurance than luffy pre timeskip. That doesnt equals his strength. And im not taking gear 3rd here cause three punches from that will put him, gear 3rd luffy outscales oars easily. The closest fight between zoro and luffy would be till alabasta, even then luffy clears in speed, strength and agility. While zoro has an edge over him in versitility stamina, endurance and attack potency.
Well i can‘t agree with most of the Video. Zoro and Luffy are pre timeskip have always been comparable. 1. Fact Databook yellow realesed 2009 literally states that even during the Events of Impel Down that Luffy and Zoro are on the same Level 2. Fact: Lucci is and has never been twice as strong as Kaku. Doriki is Physical Strength that is messed through Punching Power. Doriki dosen’t mean a damn thing when it comes to a swordsman. A swordsman‘s punching Power dosen’t define him in any way. Mihawk who could maybe one shot dory or Brogy probably dosen’t even have half the doriki of one of them. Pre Timeskip powerscaling Luffy 10 Zoro 9 Sanji 8 Post timeskip to Luffy put in the work to solidify himself as far ahead of both of them
“Lucci is and has never been twice as strong as Kaku. Doriki is Physical Strength that is messed through Punching Power. Doriki dosen’t mean a damn thing when it comes to a swordsman.” I mean, considering that Doriki applies to Tekkai (ie Lucci tanking Franky’s punch and citing his Doriki),and that Zoro never cut through Kaku’s Tekkai (with the possible exceptions of scratching his nose gun and the last clash with Ashura), then yes Lucci would still scale twice as strong as Kaku, even with the swordsmanship factored.
@@michaeldorsey9231 your entire comment dosen’t make any sense. The Tekkai is a technique based of the Formel 6 and Haki. The only reason Zoro struggled was because he couldn’t properly control his haki because of lack of knowledge. When franky who literally is made out of Iron punches Lucci who uses Tekkai to also Iron his body the winner is obviously going to be who hits harder. So in what way does this make Lucci twice as strong as Kaku. If you don’t believe should i put out the source where Oda says that Luffy ans Zoro till impel down have always been on the Same Level?
Bro doing tricks on it is all I am gonna say, Zoro never was above Luffy throughout the series full stop. Because from the start it was stated Zoro would never follow someone weaker than him and Zoro always relies on Luffy whenever the situation arises which he couldn't handle whick makes sense cuz he is the captain, but Sabaody Luffy weaker than Zoro is blasphemy since that arc is the beginning of us as viewer seeing other people which Luffy has to surpass in order to get into the big leagues, introduction of Kidd and Law was for just that very purpose and from that point on the dif between them became more and more clear and not rather ambiguous as them being equal just because they attacked aqua laguna in water seven and viewers perceived it as them being equal and from Sabaody the True opponents of Zoro were no longer luffy level powerhouses but 1st commander like Killer and Bepo
![Blox fruits, Noob To Pro as Zoro but all NPCs are Alive! [FULL MOVIE]](/img/1.gif)
He did not "put kuma down" at all tho. He literally did little to no damage and resigned himself to die in Luffy's place. That was the whole point of that scene.
Oden please lend me some haki this is base Luffy we are up against 😭🙏
Real
Honestly that's true Luffy is out here using gear 4 attacks in base 😅
GREAT 👌 TYLEARN ONE-PIECE LUFFY VS ZORO IN EVERY ARC
No joke Oden is needed
For most of timeskip before ennies lobby, zoro and luffy were honestly pretty close in terms of strength. But luffy pretty much destroys after getting gear 2 and 3
Zoro please give me Haki this is gear four Luffy I am up against
Zoro got Ashura which is a 3x multipler.
I think its still pretty close even after Ennies Lobby. Zoro is still almost as strong as gear 2 Luffy with asura included. His asura is an unknown multiplier but it makes him significantly stronger than Kaku at his best. Ennies Lobby power levels are about this. base Luffy(850), base Zoro(2100+zoan multiplier), asura Zoro(significantly above 2200+zoan multiplier), gear 2/3 Luffy(3950+zoan multiplier), gear 3 doesn't really work unless you catch them off guard. It'd probably even be a disadvantage against Zoro unless he uses gear 2 and gear 3 at the same time. If he has to do that, it's extreme diff no matter what.
@@worldbosspf1no
@@redryujin9395hell no
"finishing pre time skip and going to post time skip it should be clear that zoro is a good bit above his captain" ?????? in ONE PIECE? or some other story?
no fanbase come close to zoro fans when it comes to making their own happiness.. a tier above the rest
Well he's right up untill dressrossa 😅 yeah luffy trained wit reyligh but rey is retired zoro trained wit mihawk the diff is luffy fought the island monsters untill he could fight rey zoro fought for his life daily or else mihawk would murk his ahh😂😂
@@charlesredd9619 Oda literally spoon feeds to the audience the difference between Luffy and his two wings right at the start of post time skip in Return to Sabaodi, when luffy one shotted the pacifista alone, and zoro & sanji together took one out..
@n.6847 *sigh* clearly he didn't spoon feed far enough down neck they took it out at the same time because they rivals they both could have put 1 down next argument plzz
@@charlesredd9619 this is like saying both Law and Kid only took down Big Mom together cause they are Worst Gen rivals, and that they could have taken her down individually.. they both even got the same bounty as Luffy who took a Yonko down solo after all.. .Mangaka's put things in to their story in specific ways for specific purposes.. To say Zoro&Sanji individually "could have" at that point of the story is your headcanon, when it was shown that they didnt individually.
@@n.6847 Zoro and Sanji could both one-shot a pacifista, they were literally arguing about that.
After marineford, this is not close, zoro fans are delusional.
honestly i have some issues with this video, mainly in regards to how strong you made zoro out to be, zoro did do well against kuma but he didn't put him down and we see later in sabaody that if kuma wanted to get rid of zoro there wasn't anything he could do about it. So the statement of him putting down a stronger warlord than the one luffy did is disingenuous since zoro didn't and couldn't put down kuma. And zoro in thriller bark was overwhelmed by oars who you already explained was inferior to the 1000 shadow amped moria that luffy beat. Also his nothing happened feat is an insane feat of endurance, which would be above luffys at this point, which is honestly crazy because of luffys rubber body but it's not a direct durability feat. Zoro took all the pain and fatigue but he didn't tank the hits and take the damage that caused that pain, just the end result. So saying he can take anything luffy can dish out just because of that just seems wrong.
Also talking about fishman island, you made the claim that zoro was able to give g2 and 3 a fight because of him taking out hyouzou (octopus) while g2 did nothing to him, but thats under the assumption that luffy was going all out to take him out which isn't the case and we see a g2 luffy being able to damage a hody who not ony has a stronger base than hyouzou but also ate an ungodly amount of powerpills compared to every other fishman in the arc. This doesn't mean that I think zoros way weaker since he essentially no diffed his opponent like everyone else did in that arc but I'm just pointing out that the reasoning and explanation is flawed
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Yeah zoro time skip really just play around something ,the really challenge for him to fight is just admire Fujitora and top strong characters in wano arc.
He also said that the damage Luffy took is equal to what Luffy can dish out, which is ridiculous 😂
"this Zoro isn't the same as Wano Zoro"
Has as much weight as:
"b-BUt my fans said I'll low-diff you
Shhh, just keep stalling"
Wake up, new Zoro glaze dropped ❤
Btw man Zoro lost to Enel? He wasn't supposed to ever lose
@@EALS-pb5rseh, I think he really meant against swordsmen
@@D1Kwazy what defines a swordsmen, a person who wields a sword to fight? If so hes has lost to a few people with swords.
@@Xenonitalif i pick up a sword and start swinging it am I a swordsman?
@@Clover298 No, but if thats all it takes to NOT be considered a swordsmen, then big mom and king are swordsmen by that logic. Since they didnt just randomly start swinging a sword.
Isn't Don Krieg's armour as strong as steel? Luffy could destroy it in Baratie, Zoro couldn't cut steel until Alabasta
Luffy destroyed the bedrock in Alabasta and pushed two large buildings in Water 7. People forget Luffy's ridiculous pre-timeskip strength feats
Zoro couldnt cut it but he could definitely break it at that time. those are two different things.
@@Greg12839 exactly idk why people dont see that, u can destroy diamond but its way harder to actually cut it another example
Brute strength and sword skills aren't the same thing though. Zoro cut himself out the chimney in Water 7 but Luffy in that exact predicament wouldn't have been able to because he doesn't have the sword skills.They fight differently.
@Greg12839 Sword has the highest AP if you're a good swordmans, in alabasta hes just learned the flow of his sword.
the zoro glazing is insane. there is no point in the series where zoro actually beats luffy using gears. base luffy < zoro < gear 2 and 3
Sanji is closer to zoro than zoro is to luffy
No, Luffy and Zoro has alway been said to be relative in the manga. Show me one panel that states Sanji is anywhere near Zoro.
@@worldbosspf1Luffy and zoro are not close anymore lmao
@@zodiac5790 They still are, why do you think he is not becuase of gear 5? Well Shanks don't have a transformation and is stronger than Luffy. So transformation is not strength, it's haki. Zoro has all three haki like Luffy while Sanji has only two and zero advance haki.
@@worldbosspf1 transformation and haki are both strength🤦 and Luffy has both better transformation and haki than zoro, also yonko level one shots first commander🤷
@@zodiac5790 😂 Bro said Zoro is first commander level. Isn't Marco first commander level? Why didn't he get one shot by Big Mom? Not All first commanders are on the same level. Same as not all Yonko are on the same level. Luffy got one shot by Kaido because they are the weaklings in the "first commander" tier. Wasn't Oden a second commander stronger than Kaido a Yonko? Isn't Rayliegh a first commander out of his prime enough to scare Blackbeard (a yonko) away and said that in his prime he could take him. So no Zoro is not as weak as Kat or Luffy when he first got to wano.
Pretty much was always the case the luffy was stronger, mf. You don’t always have to suckle Zoro’s third sword dry of haki in every video. You can leave it for someone else every once in a while, I promise.
Both Zoro and Sanji lost after fighting arlong together. Zoro being weakened during that doesn’t inherently mean here’s relative to luffy who actually beat arlong.
In the nothing happened scene where Zoro takes Luffy’s pain, they say would’ve killed luffy. But like, it was supposedly gonna kill Zoro too and yet the brotha didn’t die. Clearly it’s not so cut and dry. This is an infamously impressive endurance feat, but idk where that makes Zoro stronger than luffy since this clearly isn’t traditional damage or even an “attack” at all. It’s pain. A little prior to this, Zoro does dodge some of kuma attacks and strikes kuma, but this does literally no damage to kuma. Sanji strikes kuma and it still does no damage, to which sanji claims that kuma is stronger than steel. Which makes sense since neither Zoro or sanji can hurt him even though Zoro can cut steel, sanji can hurt blueno and Jabra despite their iron body, and even earlier than this it’s more or less implied in other ways that sanji can damage steel such as in an sbs about how many wooden bats sanji can kick through and that one movie where Zoro notes that this person’s kicks were strong enough to break steel after breaking Zoro’s metal chains and then Zoro immediately says sanji kicks harder than him. Kuma is stronger than Moria, but that doesn’t in any way make Zoro stronger than luffy.
Then in sabaody Zoro does display some relativity to luffy and sanji despite still not having fully recovered from prior, but he doesn’t actually perform as well as sanji and luffy. Sanji and luffy have to constantly be concerned about Zoro’s state during the battle and save him multiple times when he completely collapses. Go figure nerfed Zoro doesn’t perform as well as non weakened sanji and luffy. It’s understandable obviously, but it doesn’t make Zoro stronger than luffy. Still incredibly impressive, but like…not superior to luffy.
Obviously by marineford luffy has absolutely gotten at least a little stronger, denying that is kinda silly. And in wano idk why you keep peddling this idea that zoro was still nerfed by the end of the raid on onigashima. He wasn’t, he was healed to temporary full strength. Chopper says this directly. You’re just assuming he’s still weakened so you can wank him. And it’s not like he’s not any weaker in egghead either. Same thing with “turning Kaku’s attacks into mist.” This is like the second video you’ve said this. Such a random thing to wank. Zoro clashed with kaku’s air slashes and turned them to “mist.” wtf else were they supposed to turn into? It’s air.
Zoro’s “rivalry” with luffy is best described in that one dessrosa vivre card. He competes for first and second place strongest in the straw hats. Meaning he competes with luffy for first and competes with sanji for second. We know his rivalry with sanji is outright compared to the rivalry between dorry and brogy who are equal, and his rivalry with luffy peaks at the moments throughout the manga where Zoro and sanji show moderate relativity to luffy. Whisky peak, water 7, sabaody, etc.
Let’s be honest, who’s gonna read all of this
@@D1Kwazy I mean, nobody has to lol. Tylearned made an entire script and edited video much longer than my comment, so it’s not like I’m putting in a desperate amount of effort. And it’s not like I get any profit or success from someone reading it, so it’s not that deep. Just my thoughts on the subject that anyone can read if they want.
Were gonna make Zoro blow with this one 🗣🗣🗣🌋🌋🌋🌋🌋
Short answer:Luffy>Zoro since chapter 1, I hope you find this informative
Very informative, thank you very much
Zoro only power up post timeskip is Enma which is Ap
Meaning rooftop zoro=sabaody Zoro with more Ap
Base Rooftop luffy low-mid diffs sabaody gear 4 luffy
Meaning until luffy got acoa and acoo Zoro would no diff him Cope
I like how tylearned is lowkey rooting for zoro, but every time he gets close to his captain's level luffy acquires another gear😂😂
EXCELLENT TYLEARN WORK. ONE-PIECE LUFFY VS ZORO IN EVERY ARC.
Aint going to lie this is no Sasuke vs Naruto in every arc it kinda obvious luffy was above for most of the arcs most of the time
Like dude had gear four in his pocket when they reunite again
The gap of luffy to zoro is what Zoro fans think the gap of Zoro to sanji is
Yeah there maybe like one arc you could say Zoro could have the edge but it’s going to be luffy for most the series
"luffy had gear 4 in his pocket" yh and zoro didn't get any power up until wano with enma, so unless u think g4 luffy against doflamingo would beat that zoro, post time skip zoro was basically the same until wano, he was the only one in the monster trio that didn't struggle with any of his opps he basically low to mid them, (yes they were weaker than luffys opps) but luffy barely won his, against doflamingo he had to use g4 twice and got 10 min break, same thing with CRACKER and same thing with katakuri, luffy always get lucky circumstances that he gets to rest for a whole 10 min, no one else in the entire series gets that type of treatment and ppl just like to ignore that... luffy is essentially using his trump card TWICE almost every time, zoro used asura only like 3 times in the entire series so far, first time in post time skip against kaido in wano... so the gap was not large at all until luffy got g5 and acoc, he just fought the stronger villains which makes him look good but he was the most damaged all the time not to mention all the second chances he got. in a fair death match luffy should've died all the way back with doffy, cracker or katakuri.
quit crying zorotard 😂@@M_aak
@@M_aakzoro couldn’t cut doffy strings
@@zacksoclean so couldnt fujitora so whats your point? you saying dressarosa luffy is stronger than fujitora? it was literally stated that the bird cage strings were basically indestructible but yh don't watch the series like 80% of so called one piece fans
Saw the title & all my neurons fired at once🧠
Zoro is potrayed weaker than Wyper in Skypiea. While Wyper was portayed relative to even above Luffy in durability considering he tanks multiple lightning attacks while zoro got ko'd by one.
Zoro was going thru his wano sanji moment of awakening to being a beast😂
Zoro fans will:
1. Antagonise Kuma, the OG sungod believer.
2. Blatantly disregard oda saying that Zoro died.
3. Over exaggerate Kuma's statement about Luffy's pain.
Just so that they can give Zoro "nothing happened" as a feat😂😂😂
Where did oda say Zoro died ?
Give the exact source 🤡
Stop pulling things out of your anu5
Nothing happened is a feat no matter how much you hate Zoro that feat directly proved that Zoro had better endurance than luffy at that point.. also nobody antagonised kuma it just that he was an antagonist in thriller bark regardless of he was in luffy's side or not.. also kuma's statement about luffy's pain is not over exaggeration at all... Zoro straight up tanked the pain and fatigue that made luffy pass out while being severely injured and we know from kuma's flashback that the pain Zoro tanked was enough to make kuma pass out who is a buccaneer himself and was taking pain on a regular basis yet he still said that.. this is one of the best endurance feat in the series but all you can do is hate on Zoro fans for saying facts
@@RimuruTempest-wl1ru Thinking Nothing happened as a feat would require:
A) Ignoring the fact that Kuma knew Luffy has the same powers as Nika since Luffy was 6,
Or,
B) Thinking Kuma is a sadistic asshole who would make Zoro take ALL of luffy's pain just to prove a point about loyalty.
Both of those take severe bastardization of kuma's character.
But go off lil bro, tell us how Zoro = 6 Admirals
P.S.: He blatantly said in the video that Zoro damaged Kuma. This in fact, did not happen.
@@zayedulalam460 Zoro in fact damaged kuma and he also took all of luffy pain
YOUR PERSONAL OPINION doesn't mean shi-
How is Wano Zoro stronger than Egghead Zoro who fought Lucci? I'm sorry but that makes no sense at all. Also I'm 90% sure Zoro was not stronger than Luffy in any arc. It's about the way he potrays him as a writer, rather than feats. Although Zoro is still icredibly powerful. I think it's pretty obvious he's yet to surpass Law & Kid, by the way Oda portrays strenght.
He meant that egghead arc was weaker cuz he was only in base form or basic armament, whereas wano used adv conq haki and king of hell mode, obviously if egghead zoro went king of hell mode he would demolish wano zoro
@@dontknowwhattonamethechann9638 Yeah but it's still dumb, if he's basing it off feats then sure, but by that logic, WCI Zoro loses to Syrup village Zoro 😭
Luffy solos his crew without g5
Come debate
Nobody want the smoke
doesn't need gear 4 either
Bud over hear using g4 attacks in base so ye agreed
Zoro smokes gear 4 luffy out the water.
@@iliasismail5922actually wrong lol,g4 luffy could keep up with kaido for a bit after he gets his advanced haki,zoro got raped by king until the writers removed his mask,you could say kaido was tired but even zoro fought him and couldn’t keep up at all except from ashura
Ngl I disagree with the Zoro and Luffy scaling from Thriller bark and Sabody arc.
Not to also look like a Luffy glazer but I don’t think Base Luffy WCI> Dressrosa G4 Luffy.
I think at the very least that Base Luffy by the end of the Katakuri fight is stronger than his Dressrosa G4 self.
@ I disagree bc of the fact that Bounceman could at least overpower Kat multiple time when Kat Observation Haki is down while Base Luffy isn’t really overpowering but rather fighting relative due to gaining FS.
In the first half of the fight Kat could damage Boundman with his Peerless Donuts; later on though Base Luffy could clash with/block similar attacks, even after having his side torn out by Mogura.
If the gap in durability between base and G4 was miniscule this wouldn’t mean much, but given how G4 could no sell attacks from Doffy which could stagger base/G2 Luffy, this would be a notable amp to mirror world Luffy’s durability, and arguably his AP as stronger Haki inherently translates to greater power.
@ Damaging G4 Bounceman is fine. As again that started when Kat was calm and can use FS again. I’m talking about Bounceman against no FS Kat.
Base Luffy with FS never really replicate that feat against Kat with FS. He might clash or block an attack temporarily but even then Kat’s armament still end up hurting Luffy. Like you rarely get a panel of just Luffy completely overwhelming Kat like Bounceman could(angry Kat)
Zoro still has 5 power ups he needs to get:
1) he needs to master his advanced conquerors now that he unlocked it
2) he needs to become able to turn blades into Black Blades (which seems to require better haki and more battles from him)
3/4/5) each of his 3 Blades can turn into Black blade in the future. (Which even if they don't rise a rank, would each be a power up)
The current gap between Luffy and the crew is mind blowing. Assuming Katakuri and King are about equal, Zoro with enma would be about as strong as whole cake Luffy. The same one that gets one shot by Kaido. The one that got a training buff, an armament haki buff, then another amament haki buff, a conqueror’s haki buff, and then gear 5 which is stronger/faster/and much harder to fight. The gap is just so wide it’s hard to imagine a world where zoro closes it without a stupidly strong buff.
bandana kun give me stats this is base luffy we're up against
ASHURA MODE SAVE ME: when Zoro sees Luffy charge up a gear four attack
Maybe Zoro and Luffy were comparable during pre-timeskip but after timeskip, the gap was either widening or closing in until
Wano
But currently, KOH Zoro doesn’t even get past base acoc Luffy if I’m being honest. At best, KOH Zoro > g4 acoa Luffy
glaze, if u genuinely believe base luffy would beat koh zoro ur delusional
@@M_aakSo we are going to ignore the fact that base acoc luffy is clashing with a stronger kaido which results in the sky being split( something zoro hasn’t done once ). It should be obvious kaido was trying against luffy a lot more than anyone on rooftop. He starts outputting stronger haki + starts using stronger moves which luffy survives for the most part. You cant be telling me KOH zoro is that close to base acoc luffy without having to wank zoro to a level he isn’t even at, especially when BASE luffy is clashing with hybrid kaido which upscales the feat. And considering luffy and kaido’s haki was blooming/getting stronger for the entire time, base luffy, if we are wanking zoro, is high diffing KoH zoro. There’s multiple evidence that proves base ACOC luffy is far above KOH zoro.
And before you pull up that “Luffy is weak to swords” excuse, luffy being vulnerable to cutting attacks isn’t supplementary evidence to say zoro can deal serious damage. If we truly believe zoro can severely damage luffy, we would be implying zoro has kaido level AP which is 100% invalid. And considering luffy in base is surviving attacks from a stronger hybrid kaido who’s outputting stronger haki, zoro actually severely damaging luffy isn’t necessarily valid( and yes I’ve seen people say zoro can do serious damage to luffy because of the cutting attacks argument )
@CluelessMonkeyKing this is exact problem with the fandom u see something cool from the mc and ignore the fact its portrayal u probably think base luffy = kaido just cuz of clashing, something even yamato was doing, but somehow luffy barely won in g5 a form miles stronger than his base??? Learn portrayal, the sky splitting and that little skirmish is just a way to show how far luffy has come as a fighter. How can koh zoro split the sky if he hasnt clashed with another acoc user like kaido yet, that point didn't even make sense, + it needs portrayal he would probably only ever do that with mihawk. When luffy got acoc it was a clear sign that was a huge power up, there is a misunderstanding that zoro got acoc first he didnt, he got it fighting king, so u dont even know how strong current zoro is. If rooftop zoro was doing better than G4 rooftop luffy, then koh acoc zoro > base acoc luffy. Zoro would be doing what yamato and luffy but much better because yamato only dealt a drop of blood with acoc while zoro with armament left him a scar, zoro would lose but he would do much better than, base acoc luffy and acoc hybrid yamato, why dont u watch all of wano again. tbh only pure unbias ppl can see this 🤦🏾♂️, even the youtuber admits koh zoro would be doing what base luffy did but better
@CluelessMonkeyKing and yes zoros attack will deal more dmg than kaido with a club at that moment in time..., everyone knows swordsman have one of th3 highest AP in the series, its evident when luffy is dashing all of his strongest attacks before he unlocks acoc and did nothing while zoro, 1 sword style got kaido dodging cuting his cheek, then a weaker zoro using his last strength cut him. Mind u kaido is much durable than luffy who mind u is much more susceptible to cuts than anyone there...🤦🏾♂️ may i remind u the training luffy got to get ryou, zoro *ALREADY* had that all the way back in early post time skip, u can see him use it against pika, luffy mentor said swordsman usually find it easier to learn, luffy was trying to catch up to zoros armament.
@ Buddy when did I say base luffy is equal to kaido??? All I’m saying is base ACOC luffy performed much better than zoro has. There are feats to back this up. We see the sky splitting feat which proves relativity, luffy surviving attacks from a kaido who’s obviously starting to go all out, then even before gear 5, luffy is still consistently damaging kaido and keeping up with kaido. Plus it’s stated multiple times that kaido’s haki continues to grow which means luffy is adapting to kaido’s increasing power. Even before wano, Rayleigh states haki blooms as a battle extends for a period of time. You honestly can’t be telling me KOH zoro’s power is that of base acoc level when luffy has the haki advantage by a pretty big gap, but he also has the AP, speed, durability, and endurance. What does Yamato have to do with this?? There’s no point comparing her to base ACOC luffy since luffy performs far better than her.
Now let’s look at zoro’s performance. We know zoro’s best feat on rooftop is outpacing and scaring kaido with just a sample of conquers. This is impressive but how does the scar have any significance to kaido’s defeat? Kaido acknowledges Zoro’s effort then the attack is never mentioned again. Meanwhile, luffy, after awakening conquers, is compared to kaido’s top 5 opponents. To put it into perspective, kaido’s top 5 opponents are the fighterr, kaido believes, that can put up a good fight against kaido with oden doing the best. So luffy being compared to the top 5 opponents after just unlocking ACOC is pretty impressive. So afterwards, zoro demolishes king with acoc. So how will current zoro perform better than luffy exactly? He doesn’t put down kaido after landing ashura. Even after the mink drug, king overpowers Zoro before acoc. And it was after acoc that zoro was finally able to defeat king( which tbh zoro went high diff against king ). Zoro may be able to damage base luffy but zoro isn’t putting luffy down. Base Luffy’s feats against kaido should solidify the gap between the yonko and his first commander. And considering people put YAMATO above zoro( which I 100% disagree with ) and base luffy performs better than these 2 people, that just makes it worse for zoro. So no, base luffy has better feats and high diffs KOh zoro if we are being generous
Bro, i hope by Christmas you get to 50k
I think your next video should be Usopp vs Luffy in every arc that would be way closer
You give Zoro insane props to survive Luffys pain, but everything Luffy when tru from amazon lilly to marineford (zoro still injured figthing some randome monkeys) doesnt change anything for you...
The Zoro cope is insane
He never got stronger from these altercations because of the nerf. There’s nothing to suggest he’d surpass Zoro from this
So… luffy gets stronger after being clobbered by Magellan?
@CluelessMonkeyKing does Zoro gets stronger by surviving Luffys pain?
@@Kuz3nB0wl Mostly an endurance feat from what I’ve seen
@@CluelessMonkeyKing then Luffy endure Iva treatment to Magellan poison, that was waaay worst.
you forgot to mention one gorilla two gorilla that also boosts power for Zoro
Idea: Generator Rex scaling
I felt like zoro was pretty nerfed in a way going into egghead. Its one of the arcs where he wasn't injured but oda kinda wrote him off the arc. He was struggling with lucci for no reason cause one taunt from sanji was enough for him to put Lucci down. He was also super dumb not noticing the lunarian gimmick with the seraphim when he just fought king a couple weeks back. That's just my observation tho.
Can you do a video comparing Nami, Ussop, and Chopper
@@Blackpanther04xx ussop is throw out immediately of this
It becomes what you think is more impressive chopper throwing queen or nami knocking down a very weakened ulti
it doesnt matter you like luffy or zoro either one of them is smoking that sanji pack
Zoro fans insecurity’s so strong they will bring up Sanji any chance they get 🤧
@@mufasa5288"got me there 🤓"
Not always. Sanji obtained raid suit before Zoro get Enma, power ranger Sanji smokes pre Enma training Zoro.
Zoro fans try not to bring up Sanji challenge:
@@dislikebutton8979 it works vice versa, Sanji’s my favorite character btw
Correction: gears aren't multipliers. Those 10x are a mistranslation.
I always used to think that the bias the powerscaling community would meme about was just an exaggeration but goddam these past months I’ve seen you glaze Zoro beyond belief while either blatantly ignoring feats that contradict you all the way to exaggerating actual feats beyond what they are. Been meaning to comment this for a while but been waiting for another Zoro vid 😂
For anyone who thinks zoro would just cook lucci…well look at just how quick it ended when zoro got annoyed with sanjis comment
I enjoyed luffy and Zoro being close in power in pre timeskip but wasn’t the biggest fan in post because I find it hard to picture the PK and worlds greatest swordsman’s be be that far in power
@@kaienglish271 the gap between kat to big mom and kaido to king is the same level of gap so it makes sense
Cuz luffy isn't just gonna be pk now ,he is literally the new jesus of the world
@ yeah Ik but I’m saying Zoro specifically seeing as he wants to be the greatest swordsman. I’m expecting Zoro to be able to compete with EOS Luffy
@@kaienglish271 dw you'll see more, ppl are glazing luffy hard, his fights against post time skip villains like doffy, cracker and katakuri was him usingall his luck, g4 is his trump card and he gets to use it twice?? not to mention 10 min breaks in between a death fight??? no one else in the entire series gets that treatment but ppl just like to ignore it , and say "oh luffy bodied doffy" like luffy wasn't running away from doffy 10 min ago... g4 also only last for short time so its a double edge sword, ppl don't understand how lucky luffy is. The gap only gets big when he gets g5 and acoc but zoro is gonna close that gap cuz g5 is luffys peak, zoro has more to improve than him.
@@kaienglish271maybe a base eos😂
A cooler idea would've been, what version of zoro would take to beat every version (arc of luffy)
Zoro was struggling with the level of power u chose to use vs lucci, bro was not going all out and could’ve one shot him if he wanted imo
Typicall error- The SBS just stated which SH specialises in which haki it doesn''t actually say who is better at what.
So question, do you think Zoro and Sanji together can hold their captain
Sorry but these kind of videos don't really work in a series like one piece when you're comparing casual interactions to serious ones. If you take casual Luffy feats at face value you'd think Franky was stronger than him during water 7. Zoro has never been stronger than Luffy. The one possible time he could have been is the brief moment that he used ACOC on Kaido with Dead Man's game.
Day 3 of asking for Shanks vs Rayleigh
The other thing people don't talk about is that in the post time skip zoro's speed scaling is mid at best he really had no impressive speed feats until wano.
Luffy and Zoro are not close. So, there is no point in watching this video. Goodbye 👋
He’s saying they used to be pre timeskip
Zoro meatrider
If he was glazing luffy you woulda been silently beating your 🥩 to this vid🤡
Fr bro is legitimately riding zoro meat everytime he talks about him
Luffy IS far above his crew but yes it was closer at some points in fact I’d say the closest was probably east blue or the return sabaody arc
Crazy how post Return to Sabaody, Luffy would get low diffed by Zoro until the Raid on Onigashima
Whaatt how🤣🤦🏾♀️
Get that Zoro past Yeti Cool Brothers.
@@ChristDTimix zoro didnt get a power up until wano, luffy was the getting constant power up and g4 was his trump card, and against doffy, cracker and katakuri, luffy used that trump card twice, he even got *10 MIN BREAKS* in between them, no one else in the entire series that much treatment, u guys are glazing luffy so hard, the gap really only gets large when he gets g5 and acoc. luffy just looks so much stronger cuz he has to fight the main villain for plot, but again it was like luffy vs crocodile against those guys, they should've beat him easily but they lost to plot hard..
Ridiculous take !!
@@vampiranya9939 I'm done with zoro fans man
Yo bro! Please Do bow Weak is the Boys Universe!
bro you making kuma and zoro fight look closer than it real was we see in the next arc that kuma could of sent zoro away with easy and in his backstroy we sse that he went easy on the strawhats cause luffy is dragons son and zoro was not able to do any damage to kuma and the galze in sabody is also wack
This is a good video but Zoro gets clapped.
What if brook brought him back to life
To call zoro’s performance against Enel bad when he couldn’t even hit him is pretty disingenuous. Alabasta should’ve just been ignored because that entire interaction of luffy vs crocodile was just bad writing and thanks to marineford, those luffy feats are a nothing salad
After gears zoro vs luffy is basically
nonsense the better thing would sanji to zoro power scaling
My top 3 goats either way
5:43
When the fuck did he do that
Luffy woulda survived the pain from the kuma bubble that wasn’t a strength feat it was a narrative feat to show just how loyal zoro is to luffy. Luffy is clearly stronger than zoro at that point as I said prior the closest was east blue and then return to sabaody
Of course Luffy would have survived, it's literally HIS pain which he had already taken before anyway. What makes Zoro impressive is that he took Luffy's pain ON TOP of all the damage he had taken against Oars and Kuma.
Shisui in no way made Zoro relative to the gears.
Here I got you so you don’t have to sit here and listen to zoro glaze, Luffy> Zoro every single arc since chapter 1
zoro was stronger the entire post timeskip but was never given an opponent to show that
Cause luffy always fight the main villain...zoro should sometimes fight the main villain..
Also it wouldn't make sense if luffy isn't stronger
Sharing panel don't mean attack output is same
Naruto and sasuke next ?
the cope over zoro high diffing lucci is insane
Pre time skip it was back and forth with Zoro and Luffy, post time skip zoro didn't go all out until wano. So I think zoro was stronger than luffy after the timeskip up until whole cake island. Mihawk made zoro a monster and no disrespect to rayleigh. But now the gap is wider after Wano and now in egghead.
Luffy needs gear 5 to beat zorro
Tien vs the big three?
I have to disagree on fact base caaba can beat gt goku and vegeta and you forgetting lot of gt feats like omega shernon not doing anything can create domino effect
Sanji and luffy is relative
I think zoro might beat luffy in every arc before haki since blades counter luffy
Zoro and luffy are the best duo of anime than goku vegeta naruto sasuke.
a zoro fanboy I see. luffy slams. elbaf luffy using gear 4 in base is diabolical work. zoro rly gonna need that oden juice to keep up with the new base luffy.
Usopp> luffy > zoro
"Grown man"
Luffy base will never beat Zoro … he needs g4 the lowest. Luffys is susceptible to sword point blank period every hit will be a critical for Luffy. ADV coc Asurua you think base Luffy is tanking that… it scared KAIDO imagine what it will do to Luffy.
Lol Zoro gets baby shaked, he’s more comparable to sanji (normal person)
Sanji is literally a cyborg what do you mean (normal person)??
@@BeastBoy557 normal person as in thinking wise too what I said
King of hell zoro mode defeats vegeta sasuke as the best right hand man of anime.
yo
in post ts luffy wrecks zoro every arc expect wci and amazon lily-mf of course since zoro doesn’t appears
Y r Zoro glazers the way they r🤡
Make a whole vid of Lucci Vs Zoro😭. Cus there is no way y'all think zoro struggled.
He used viver cards to scale in this video and the cards the fight between lucci and zoro equal
He was having an asthma attack , there's no way it was lower than mid diff
Luffy low diff zoro
are the beginning zoro could of killed luffy
I think the only 2 things I really have a problem with in this video are: You said Zoro is weaker than Mr. 1, whos weaker than Crocodile despite the fact that Zoro clearly had the upper hand, while only losing out to Mr. 1 because of a matchup disadvantage. You also brought up anime filler of base Luffy harming Lucci, even though thats contradicted by the manga where Lucci toyed with base Luffy, and he clearly was supposed to be nothing compared to even base Lucci at the time.
Naruto still solos
Akainu victims
Sure buddy
Ichigo solos both
Goku solos all their verses
Idk I’d have to disagree with dressrossa luffy being stronger than dressrossa zoro. Yes I believe zoro could have beaten doffy. He went to attack him but was blocked by Fuji. And zoro didn’t really fight anyone from dressrossa to wano and he only received a boost in AP through Enma taking his haki and turning it into ryou. Enma doesn’t boost his base stats or observation haki. So zoro on the rooftop is practically the same strength as dressrossa zoro but with more AP 🤷🏽♂️
That isn't true at all since we see zoro train I'm wano before roofpeice that zoro is much stronger also zoro un dressrosa couldn't even break doffy string while luffy was able to do it with easy in gear 4
@ fake news. Zoro not breaking the string, plot. Fuji didn’t break the string. Zoro training before rooftop, was to get Enma under control. None of that boosts his base stats. Even if you wanna say zoro training before wano, who was he fighting against? Yakuza fodder? You think zoro got that much stronger by just swinging his sword around?
@ only 2 months passed from dressrosa to the end of wano.
@@FTL_SAN we see zoro traning by lifting wait along with basic haki traning which in the one piece world traning your haki does increase your stats and fujitora didnt break the string cause he is an admiral and was supposed to help zoro In the end of the arc he display a feat showing that he could of end the arc by himself but didnt do to his obligations were as zoro struggled to break the string cause he couldn't
@ what chapter is zoro shown lifting weights after dressrosa? Because I can’t find it. And what basic haki training is he doing, I’ve never seen it. That sir sounds like a bunch of head canon to me. And you’re saying an admiral as peace loving as Fujitora would not break the bird cage (something that is over kill) in order to “not support zoro”? That doesn’t make any sense. The better answer is that the bird cage was used as a plot device to raise steaks via a ticking time bomb effect. But zoro not being able to break bird cage does not mean zoro cannot harm or defeat doffy.
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East Blue: Zoro's stronger, in Whiskey Peak he was stalemating Luffy while suppresed so he would probably low diff, not to mention he didnt even use swords in that fight, an exception would be Arlong Park since Zoro was injured
Alabasta-Enies Lobby: Luffy has better feats so him I guess but it would be close since swords are his kryptonite
Thriller Bark-Marineford: Zoro low diffs, he surpasses Luffy in ap with his black blade which allows him to utilize Haki and has the best durability feat in pre ts with his Nothing Happened feat, plus the fact swords are Luffys weakness
Pre Wano: Zoro wins, he can match one of the strongest Red Scabbards in power who can damage Kaido which a post WCI Luffy wouldnt, he also cuts up Pica in both his mountain and full Haki forms respectively while Luffy can barely blow off his head with two Gear 3 and yes I know Gear 4 is stronger overall but Gear 3 has stronger attacks, this is all eithout Ashura btw, so imagine him with it, yeah Zoro negs
Wano-Egghead: Imo I think Zoro wins but it would be very close, but Zoro is inplied to be above Yonko level, as with 1 sword, he is implied to be able to kill Kaido and Big Mom with an attack, hes also able to tank Ocean Soveriegnty, which is the strongesy attack in the verse so far, including Whitebeard whis said to be able to destroy the Earth, OP Earth having multiple moons orbiting it and being very alrge in size, so Zoro tanks parge planet level attacks and is able to casually keep fighting after that even degeayinf someone who can rival Kaido's power King, having greater durability and speed in his flames on and off forms respectively, he also scars Kaido with Asura and was imolied to be able to defeat him if he didnt pass out since it was like Oden who was also stronger than kaido back then, in Egghead as well Zoro takes out Lucci in less attacks than Luffy needed, and beat Nusjuro who eas the strongest Gorosei whole Luffy was losing to Warcury and Jupiter, he also was beatinf on S Hawk the strongest Ssraphim while Luffy was on the losing end against S Bear with Luccis help, yeah Zoro stomps low diff
Most obvious zoro glazers moment he said zoro or luffy low diff the other you know he automatically wrong zoro and luffy would never be able to low diff the other at any point in the manga stop overhyped zoro and overplaying swords are luffy kryptonite cause really they just harm him more its more like superman and magic than superman and krytonite
Zoro with his strongest attack was able to give kaido a paper cut which he never mentions again , so what is that 1 sword style doing to him ? And how is that yonko level , let zoro pass sanji first , luffy legit no diffs him by barraging him with few white star guns , zoro fought lucci the whole that the crew was wondering where tf he is , he was huffing and puffing the whole time , luffy 3 shotted lucci
Ah, zorotard alert.
In dressrosa i think the scaling goes like this
1.Fujitora
2.sabo
3.Zoro
4.Luffy
5.Doffy
6.Law
Fujitora
Luffy
Doffy
Law
Zoro
Main reason i had zoro above luffy pre wano was because zoro had ashura which was an advanced conquers attack since kaido was able to detect conquers within the use of ashura
That’s something most people would agree with
Niqqa what 😭
Punk Hazard Zoro also scales higher than Luffy. Considering Luffy couldn't get through Monet's snow dome or the Dragon's Scales in Gear 2nd. Both of which posed no resistance to Zoro's one sword attacks, which is inherently his second weakest stance.
Early series Zoro scales very much above Luffy. Luffy couldn't KO Captain Morgan with 3 attacks, he didn't even leave cosmetic damage. Zoro one tapped him on 3 weeks of starvation.
We have Arlong Park Zoro soloing a bunch of fish man as well as the 2nd strongest Fishman swordsman while near death
We have a weakened Whiskey peak Zoro matching full power Luffy's strongest attack at the time. As well as stalemating Luffy.
Alabasta Zoro was very much stronger than Daz bones, and the only reason it went to extreme diff was because Zoro couldn't get through that type of Steel at that the time (he cut through all 6 of Hatchan's 60kg steel swords in Along Park, so clearly Daz's fruit made his steel body even harder than regular steel) however, if they fought again anytime after that arc, it would be a No Diff fight. The same cannot be said about Luffy and Crocodile though. Luffy lost twice, and got a few recovery opportunities.
Skypia is a rough one, Enel was physically manhandling both Luffy and Zoro, so I'll say they're even. However, I'll point out that at this point in the story, Zoro had a grasp on Ryou and a Superhuman ability, learning Tobu Zangeki or Rankyaku as it's known in Rokushiki
Enies Lobby Zoro is now utilizing what I can only assume is an application of Conqueror's Haki, with Enbima Yonezu and Ashura, considering Kaku clearly states he's manifesting illusions with his willpower alone. And neither Armament nor Observation has shown abilities similar. Also, Zoro defeats Kaku and still has enough energy to fight others.
-Luffy just learns his superhuman ability by creating gear 2nd to perfectly utilize Soru. However, Luffy himself notes after his fight with Blueno that his body cannot handle this technique for too long, and that he still needs time to perfect it. He then fights lucci, who has Luffy beat at a few points but instead of finishing the job like he's been portrayed, instead Lucci starts to shit talk which gives Luffy time to recover (Plot). Ending in an extreme diff fight for Luffy to the point where Luffy is rendered unable to move subsequently.
Thriller Bark Zoro is clearly equal to/slightly above Luffy for obvious reasons. Sabaody Luffy is only ahead due to aforementioned injuries sustained by Zoro, who's still portraying relativity to Diable Sanji and Gear 2 Luffy while in base.
Early Wano Zoro is > Luffy as Zoro stalemated Denjiro who is a Scabbard, all Scabbards are shown relative to each other and to YC3. Ashura Doji, Nekomamushi and Inuarashi all stalemated Jack in their fights. This can be used to upscale WCI & Zou Zoro, as he hadn't received any Haki Bloom level battles like Luffy, and yet had a similar power level. Which breaks the story given Rayleigh's words in chapter 886, saying training will only get you so far and that the real gains happen in battle.
Egghead Zoro is very misinterpreted. Not only did he fight and defeat awakened Kaku, he also fought S-hawk, who we can argue is the strongest seraphim, and then awakened Lucci. The only reason lucci wasn't defeated prior was because Zoro literally would've gotten lost trying to head back to the crew, as Jinbei was running for chapters attempting to get to Zoro's location lol. The moment Zoro sensed his team close, he ended the fight.
-comparatively, Luffy briefly incapacitated lucci with 3 named Gear 5th attacks. Zoro took Lucci out the arc as a combatant in a single conqueror's coated santoryu attack. The most we can conclude is that Zoro's AP is significantly higher than Luffy's which should be common sense by now lol.
All in all, Zoro was > about 60% - 75% of the story. Because Luffy defeated stronger opponents doesn't automatically make him stronger. Especially if it took multiple attempts to accomplish that, such as against Crocodile, Enel, Moriah, Lucci, Doflamingo and Kaido. Had Zoro fought those opponents with the same amount of attempts, he would undoubtedly win. Hell, I'd wager even Sanji could win with multiple attempts like Luffy got.
holy glaze
@@J_S_M1 I don't write the story lol, take it up with Oda. I'm just listing the facts 🤷🏾♂️
@@hushsilence8932 Oh, you read two piece not one piece, that makes a lot of sense
@@J_S_M1 mhm, I bet
“Alabasta Zoro was very much stronger than Daz bones,”
Based on what? Best I can recall Zoro did successfully land several attacks on Daz, but as far as clashes go at best neither one had an explicit advantage over the other, and at worst Daz could overpower Zoro (ie when he pushed Zoro back into a building) up until Zoro could cut him.
“however, if they fought again anytime after that arc, it would be a No Diff fight.”
Except that after the battle in ch 213, Zoro still needs to train to be able to draw on his Haki again, he can’t just do it at will.
“The same cannot be said about Luffy and Crocodile though. Luffy lost twice, and got a few recovery opportunities.”
Luffy had enough AP to break through Croc’s desert la Spada despite it being a cutting attack, and was blatantly beating Croc in close quarters combat despite his body being weakened by poison. And unlike Zoro’s Haki amp, this was just Luffy’s natural strength, so it actually carries over into later arcs.
“Skypia is a rough one, Enel was physically manhandling both Luffy and Zoro,”
One of whom was weakened from prior battles and electrocuted by Enel, so it doesn’t accurately reflect Zoro’s best, and one of whom later got stronger over his fight with Enel to the point of nearly oneshoting him (and inspite of Luffy not being at his peak from running up Giant Jack)
“However, I'll point out that at this point in the story, Zoro had a grasp on Ryou and a Superhuman ability, learning Tobu Zangeki or Rankyaku as it's known in Rokushiki”
Having an air blade isn’t inherently impressive/enough to scale Zoro above Luffy, as in Water 7 and Enies Lobby we’ve seen Luffy withstand tempest kicks without receiving lasting damage.
“Enies Lobby Zoro is now utilizing what I can only assume is an application of Conqueror's Haki, with Enbima Yonezu and Ashura, considering Kaku clearly states he's manifesting illusions with his willpower alone.”
Even if I agreed that Asura Zoro always had access to conquerors coating (which isn’t a necessity as it could likely only apply to Rooftop Asura, and we’ve seen with other techniques that Zoro could manifest illusions), in the pre timeskip it’s clearly not as great of an amp as it would be against Kaido; Asura Zoro couldn’t even put down a Pacifista that Luffy put down with G3.
“Also, Zoro defeats Kaku and still has enough energy to fight others.”
Which isn’t enough by itself to get him near Luffy or Lucci in power as Lucci is roughly 2x stronger than Kaku.
“Sabaody Luffy is only ahead due to aforementioned injuries sustained by Zoro, who's still portraying relativity to Diable Sanji and Gear 2 Luffy while in base.”
Characters landing attacks simultaneously on the same opponent does not inherently translate to relatively in power or speed, especially since all Zoro did was single motions with each of his swords vs Luffy gattling with his arms to build up to his attack.
“Early Wano Zoro is > Luffy as Zoro stalemated Denjiro who is a Scabbard”
Zoro was never shown to be Denjiro’s equal by that point; all Denjiro did was keep Zoro at bay with no indication that he was going all out, there’s nothing to say that Zoro would scale to Denjiro’s best.
“Which breaks the story given Rayleigh's words in chapter 886, saying training will only get you so far and that the real gains happen in battle.”
Unrelated to the Luffy vs Zoro points, but this doesn’t “break” the story. Not just because you’ve overestimated Zoro’s scaling based on his relatively to Denjiro, but because Rayleigh’s statement doesn’t exclude the importance of training. Battle may get characters the bigger amps, but it’s still possible to get stronger with training, as seen with Luffy developing his advanced armament.
“Not only did he fight and defeat awakened Kaku,”
Stussy did, but agree Zoro was the stronger of the two.
“he also fought S-hawk, who we can argue is the strongest seraphim,”
Based on what? Also he had Kaku’s help for that, and the seraphim as a whole were defeated via capture as opposed to Luffy or Zoro’s combat.
“and then awakened Lucci. The only reason lucci wasn't defeated prior was because Zoro literally would've gotten lost trying to head back to the crew, as Jinbei was running for chapters attempting to get to Zoro's location lol. The moment Zoro sensed his team close, he ended the fight.“
Zoro wasn’t holding back for the reason you gave, he was just angry at Sanji’s comment over the Den Den Mushi. And even after that he still wanted to keep fighting after seeing that Lucci hadn’t fallen and could still fight.
“-comparatively, Luffy briefly incapacitated lucci with 3 named Gear 5th attacks. Zoro took Lucci out the arc as a combatant in a single conqueror's coated santoryu attack.”
An attack being named doesn’t inherently make it stronger/more notable than its unnamed usage. And considering that none of Luffy’s attacks used conquerors coating, and that Luffy’s final blow actually knocked Lucci unconscious unlike Zoro’s conqueror’s enhanced cut, wouldn’t that make Luffy’s hit the more impressive one?
”The most we can conclude is that Zoro's AP is significantly higher than Luffy's which should be common sense by now lol.”
The most I could grant is that East Blue Zoro could have had the higher AP, as Luffy’s lack of defense to cutting weapons was established and he didn’t have much scaling to inherently put him above Zoro’s swords.
After Whisky Peak put them on equal terms though, and after their scaling to their opponents in Alabasta, Luffy started getting feats/scaling that at worst kept him equal to Zoro, but by every reasonable account he would be some degree higher.
Zoro scarred Kaido while weakened, Zoro mid diffs
He scarred a much weaker version of Kaido than the one Luffy was matching later in their fight, there’s really nothing to suggest that Zoro could have done anything to a Drunk Kaido.
That wild when Luffy was in base doing better
But you can’t prove Kaido was at his peak here can you?
0/10 ragebait
That was a papercut lol , tell me one chapter where kaido brings up that the scar is making any inconvenience for him in the fight
If kaido never said that ,it means the overhyped papercut was insignificant
8:04 i was wondering when he would glaze zoro. Obviously he starts it with zoro was stronger pre time skip😂😂. If we go by "injured zoro was strong as luffy while fighting pacifista" then the entire fight with kaido on rooftop is a injured luffy fighting kaido who is barely injured. Injuries one piece lasts for huffing puffing. Zoro is always injured but it doesnt hinder his strength. Its pretty understand that asura mode zoro will be able to go toe to toe with luffy 2nd gear but he will get blitzed eventually. Zoro definately had more endurance than luffy pre timeskip. That doesnt equals his strength. And im not taking gear 3rd here cause three punches from that will put him, gear 3rd luffy outscales oars easily. The closest fight between zoro and luffy would be till alabasta, even then luffy clears in speed, strength and agility. While zoro has an edge over him in versitility stamina, endurance and attack potency.
Well i can‘t agree with most of the Video. Zoro and Luffy are pre timeskip have always been comparable.
1. Fact Databook yellow realesed 2009 literally states that even during the Events of Impel Down that Luffy and Zoro are on the same Level
2. Fact: Lucci is and has never been twice as strong as Kaku. Doriki is Physical Strength that is messed through Punching Power. Doriki dosen’t mean a damn thing when it comes to a swordsman. A swordsman‘s punching Power dosen’t define him in any way. Mihawk who could maybe one shot dory or Brogy probably dosen’t even have half the doriki of one of them.
Pre Timeskip powerscaling
Luffy 10
Zoro 9
Sanji 8
Post timeskip to Luffy put in the work to solidify himself as far ahead of both of them
“Lucci is and has never been twice as strong as Kaku. Doriki is Physical Strength that is messed through Punching Power. Doriki dosen’t mean a damn thing when it comes to a swordsman.”
I mean, considering that Doriki applies to Tekkai (ie Lucci tanking Franky’s punch and citing his Doriki),and that Zoro never cut through Kaku’s Tekkai (with the possible exceptions of scratching his nose gun and the last clash with Ashura), then yes Lucci would still scale twice as strong as Kaku, even with the swordsmanship factored.
“Mihawk who could maybe one shot dory or Brogy probably dosen’t even have half the doriki of one of them”
“Probably” based on what?
@@michaeldorsey9231 your entire comment dosen’t make any sense. The Tekkai is a technique based of the Formel 6 and Haki. The only reason Zoro struggled was because he couldn’t properly control his haki because of lack of knowledge.
When franky who literally is made out of Iron punches Lucci who uses Tekkai to also Iron his body the winner is obviously going to be who hits harder. So in what way does this make Lucci twice as strong as Kaku.
If you don’t believe should i put out the source where Oda says that Luffy ans Zoro till impel down have always been on the Same Level?
Bro doing tricks on it is all I am gonna say, Zoro never was above Luffy throughout the series full stop. Because from the start it was stated Zoro would never follow someone weaker than him and Zoro always relies on Luffy whenever the situation arises which he couldn't handle whick makes sense cuz he is the captain, but Sabaody Luffy weaker than Zoro is blasphemy since that arc is the beginning of us as viewer seeing other people which Luffy has to surpass in order to get into the big leagues, introduction of Kidd and Law was for just that very purpose and from that point on the dif between them became more and more clear and not rather ambiguous as them being equal just because they attacked aqua laguna in water seven and viewers perceived it as them being equal and from Sabaody the True opponents of Zoro were no longer luffy level powerhouses but 1st commander like Killer and Bepo