I was at Hultsfred that year and saw them both. Great performances, but I kid you not the Dillinger gig had like 50 people in the crowd, which was really bizarre, but they came out and killed it like we were 10 000
3:05 hommage to king crimson (larks tongues in aspic pt 3). good to see how great bands inspire new great bands: king crimson --> tool --> meshuggah --> dilliger... well and kc also inspired the mars volta... and they're ALL still active, including kc, imagine seeing them all on one single festival... !!!!
I think the dillinger have got very good energy on stage and are great technically! Im more of a Meshuggah guy myself because no one has never heard anything like meshuggah! but i think they are both good in their own ways!
i see dillinger as like a flying pterodactyl-type monster that cuts people in half... i see meshuggah as a tyrannosaurus/steamroller armed with shotguns that also cuts people in half.
"Mathematics is the science of limitation", a wise man once said. There does not have to be melody, tune, scalar, schema, signature or harmony to make music. All that is required is imagination. And both DEP and Meshuggah have it in spades.
This is an awesome fucking video... just awesome. I love how people start arguing who's better. Both bands are so different, it's all on personal taste. Both bands are brilliant, bottom line.
How I miss Chris. While Gil Sharone wasn´t a bad drummer, he seemed to have a habit of speeding up their songs live, something that Chris really seemed to have under control most of the time.
you can't make a judgement of DEP after 2 listens. You need to listen to this over and over. If you don't feel like it, don't write a meaningless review! I've listened to calculating infinity hundreds of times, and i still don't get tired of it. Its not random dice music.. they've got original beats, and if you keep listening, you will realise it does flow. its gripping intense music.
I just got back to youtube after taking apart my computer to find out how it worked and several other completely different activities with my time. After over a year I return to find this video's comments much as I had left them. Haven't missed a thing. Except perhaps the the hilarious response to a rebuttal of my argument questioning who it was directed at after noticing I had long ago stopped responding. It was indeed argument for the sake of argument.
if i listen dep the same way again i will truly be technically insane. i define "the same way" as expecting to find meaning, logic, and applicable depth of substance from this band where i have not done so yet. i can accept psychosis because i can't honestly deny it, but intentional insanity is beyond reason to me.
Well there are different ways to listen to music. For instance, I barely ever listen to what the vocalist is actually saying. I just listen to what they sound like, since I can't understand them on a first listen. When I'm listening to Meshuggah, I could take the whole thing at once, or I could actually pay attention to the differentiations within the rhythms. As a drummer, doing the latter makes me really appreciate the band more. But there's no right or wrong way to listen. Just different.
Dillenger and Meshuggah both rule. Wether they give a rat's ass or not, I hope they realize there ARE people out there that listen to thier shit not only for the sound and taste, but to understand and break down time signatures in order to get it. Some dismiss it: "Thier own, so no wonder they can do it" No. You have to be able. These bands pave the way influentially for (metal) musicians with the ambition. "Will we survive the sleep?" -Phil Thanks for the vid.
Music encapsulates a thought process, be it one of feeling or just random lunacy. Every time a dogma is envisaged, it limits the possibilities of the discipline. It would be akin to limiting your imagination to what is scientifically and mathematically possible.
it is something that DEP understands wtf they are doing, enough so to make sons out of it... or so it seems...but meshuggah puts out music, DEP plays modern art.
its not quite a talkbox. its a tone controller that you use with your breath. i heard tomas haake's brother made it just for fred, but i dont think he made more. its mad sweet though.
it is to this day still incredibly amusing to listen this video while reading the responses to my comments, knowing i had no direction with my "argument" and just fanned the flames as they came. such a delight is the subtle art of manipulation that i had to comeback and continue the nonsense. who now will humiliate themselves in argument with me? i'll begin the fun with more bias than ever before.
Fair enough, I wanted you to read "into" what I was saying, but it appears you can't, so... I meant a functioning body as in at LEAST respect to the necessary instrument needs. Ray Charles had a functioning brain, hands, lungs etc., so therefore he could take the abstract concept which is music and convert it to physical form. Same case scenario for each respective instrument.
being the one who mentioned opeth, i can guess you may be referring to me. so far i have listened in entirety to calculating infinity thrice, plagiarism twice, and miss machine twice, while also reading the provided lyrics, the accuracy of which i don't even care to investigate. if i haven't yet given them a "try", then what are suggesting i do exactly? finally, i write mainly in cursive and never about the dillinger escape plan, or even about "wanna-bes or flukes".
have you tried playing one of their songs just sitting in a chair?! it's hard as fuck. now, try that while flying to the moon on your guitar... as crazy as it looks, it's hard to even think of doing with their time changes, and rhythmic diversity. personally, i salute them.
chris has had years of practice and familiarity with the tracks, im sure gil works better with any tracks that he specifically wrote drumt racks for on ire works
i made no claim of having difficulty "envisaging imaginative constructs" but instead wonder "if i truly have no concept of the device, and you know" then could you conceive some people don't associate the abstract concept of music with imaginations? i do display masochism without malice on occasion.
actually they are not that different. apples andf oranges are both seed containing fruit that grow on trees, often in the same region, under the same environmental factors. they can do this at the same time. they rate of growth can be measwure with the same equation. they both exist on this planet, in this gaolaxy, and this universe. they both contain sugar. they both have a protective but textured outer shell.
please also clarify each of these conventional musical dogmas. the given example is insufficient because it states not the relevance guitar playing or chords constitute on the subject of music, which was not mentioned or technically implied in the statement.
as do i (i'm not one for standing still on stage) but there's no way you can swing perfectly in 13/8 time then change back from 5/4 to 7/8 whislt rattling your brain as they do
I aim to misguide no-one. It's a sad, simplistic truth that many sought-after advancements, comprehensions and understandings are left unchecked due to petty human motivations. For example, the fact that the internal combustion engine is still in use after being some 80+ years obsolete.
The interview should be Messugah, The Dillenger Escape Plan, and Fall Out Boy. I mean. Come on. Fall Out Boy is just as complex and creative as these two. If not more! Right? I'm crying foul.
I'm #22,222. That's a pretty boss number! Nevermind that. Both Meshuggah and Dillinger are awesome... that's out of argument... ... I don't seem to have a point here, but yay anyways!
it is puzzling to determine your meaning in "a natural function" and not a "disorder" as the structure of the sentence implies they oppose each other and exists only separately. i would say if we exist at all it is indeed in nature. could it be an artificial function? is there no disorder in nature? how can you measure order and what defines each?
i would agree the entire world population does indeed carry (at least 2) symptoms of the diagnoses at a given moment. a moment refers to a short period of time not greater than 30 seconds. your comment on the illness provokes thought with what appears to be either with intentional misguidance, or left cleverly open to interpretation.
interestingly enough, meshuggah has a clear meaning to anyone who should happen to investigate its origins. i hear dep and the songs mostly just ask me what they are about. i would strongly advise these highly educated "musicians" start making music or at least completely dissociate themselves from actual meaningful, music also known as meshuggah, or if you want to see the beauty and horror of death simultaneously consider opeth.
Dogmas within instruments? The set agreed system of thought and process regarding as to how an instrument can be played... as regarding guitar, this would be chords, progressions, scalars, schema, modes, etc. The true way to play a guitar is to place any given number of fingers at any point, and another bunch at any given other point.
i must point out the absurdity of a member of DEP speaking for jens kidman on meshugah's approach to songwriting, and would contend this equal to blasphemy and deserving of the blunt and honest difference between the two being spoken by jens as a grand entrance to the conversation that should have started and ended without ben weinman or DEP having any place to compare the two bands or speak at all.
IMO, Meshuggah is more brutal than DEP, exept C.I. album, that's the most brutal album ever... but I guess the're right, it's stupid to compare these two bands, they both are great in the're own way.
"We just do our thing and whoever wants to come can come. It's not our job to figure out why."
One of the best rockstar quotes I've ever heard.
I saw this on swedish television when i was like 12 years old. Two of my favourite bands.
Meshuggah and Dillinger have "paved the way" for me... especially there drummers as they have influenced my drumming greatly. I salute.
I just love how Jens goes "Your band is fucking insane." He's just so deadpan about it. XD
Both these bands are amazing. You can only really see their similarities if you try learning some of their songs. I love it!!
two of the best bands out there today!
that backround is hilarious
I love Meshuggah and DEP so much. Their cds never leave the player in my truck.
If Neurosis and Converge were in this, it'd pretty much be an interview of the four most important bands in heavy music these days.
The Dillinger Escape Plan - best live band ever to grace the planet
Meshuggah - best live band ever to grace the planet
I saw this on television a few years back. It was my first contact with The Dillinger Escape Plan. Fucking awesome.
Meshuggah...best metal band ever...
I was at Hultsfred that year and saw them both. Great performances, but I kid you not the Dillinger gig had like 50 people in the crowd, which was really bizarre, but they came out and killed it like we were 10 000
Holy Fuck!!! My two fav bands together! AWESOME!
"Your band is fucking insane" Meshuggah
Dillinger is a fucking kick-ass band!! I LOVE THEM!
3:05 hommage to king crimson (larks tongues in aspic pt 3). good to see how great bands inspire new great bands: king crimson --> tool --> meshuggah --> dilliger... well and kc also inspired the mars volta... and they're ALL still active, including kc, imagine seeing them all on one single festival... !!!!
I've heard Future Breed Machine 1000 times and I just got shivers. That is seriously the heaviest shit.
very nice vid dude. I wish Meshuggah could have more interview stuff like this.
I love Meshuggah.
who would've thought DEP would've made it as far as they have? it's awesome. just totally unreal.
I love how quiet Jens is off-stage... then "Your band is fucking insane."
I never really heard much of TDEP, but now that ive seen this i definitly want too get my hands on some of their stuff.
DEP
I think the dillinger have got very good energy on stage and are great technically! Im more of a Meshuggah guy myself because no one has never heard anything like meshuggah! but i think they are both good in their own ways!
"Your band is fucking insane" hell yeah they are!!
Hail Meshuggah and DEP!
Tool is awesome! And Meshuggah, and DEP!
I'd say they're two completely different bands:
Meshuggah is like: *CHHHOOOUUUUUGGHHHH!!!!*
whereas DEP is like: *KAAAIIIIYYYEEEHHHH!!!!*
i see dillinger as like a flying pterodactyl-type monster that cuts people in half...
i see meshuggah as a tyrannosaurus/steamroller armed with shotguns that also cuts people in half.
Jens is waaaaaaaaaaaay stoned, he rocks!
2 ground breaking bands
bahaha.. just love it when he says "your bands just fucking insane" Greaat!
you are god. brilliantly put, and obviuosly a meshuggah fan.
"Mathematics is the science of limitation", a wise man once said. There does not have to be melody, tune, scalar, schema, signature or harmony to make music. All that is required is imagination. And both DEP and Meshuggah have it in spades.
You know, I once felt sorry for Henry Rollins' vocal cords. No longer.
It's a talkbox, you blow/talk into it which connects to a device which is in the effects chain of your guitar.
This is an awesome fucking video... just awesome. I love how people start arguing who's better. Both bands are so different, it's all on personal taste.
Both bands are brilliant, bottom line.
How I miss Chris. While Gil Sharone wasn´t a bad drummer, he seemed to have a habit of speeding up their songs live, something that Chris really seemed to have under control most of the time.
That´s an excellent way to put it.
This is an important argument. So many valid points.
i'll settle this: they're both completely amazing. and also very different; apples and oranges.
you can't make a judgement of DEP after 2 listens. You need to listen to this over and over. If you don't feel like it, don't write a meaningless review! I've listened to calculating infinity hundreds of times, and i still don't get tired of it.
Its not random dice music.. they've got original beats, and if you keep listening, you will realise it does flow. its gripping intense music.
i see Tool as this dark spiritual being that reaches into people and strips away there body until there's nothing left but there soul...
3:56
Love Jen's description, aha.
yah the early days with mike patton were the best!
I just got back to youtube after taking apart my computer to find out how it worked and several other completely different activities with my time. After over a year I return to find this video's comments much as I had left them. Haven't missed a thing. Except perhaps the the hilarious response to a rebuttal of my argument questioning who it was directed at after noticing I had long ago stopped responding. It was indeed argument for the sake of argument.
if i listen dep the same way again i will truly be technically insane. i define "the same way" as expecting to find meaning, logic, and applicable depth of substance from this band where i have not done so yet. i can accept psychosis because i can't honestly deny it, but intentional insanity is beyond reason to me.
"your band is fucking insane" haha, then just complete chaos.
Well there are different ways to listen to music. For instance, I barely ever listen to what the vocalist is actually saying. I just listen to what they sound like, since I can't understand them on a first listen. When I'm listening to Meshuggah, I could take the whole thing at once, or I could actually pay attention to the differentiations within the rhythms. As a drummer, doing the latter makes me really appreciate the band more. But there's no right or wrong way to listen. Just different.
Dillenger and Meshuggah both rule.
Wether they give a rat's ass or not, I hope they realize there ARE people out there that listen to thier shit not only for the sound and taste, but to understand and break down time signatures in order to get it. Some dismiss it: "Thier own, so no wonder they can do it" No. You have to be able. These bands pave the way influentially for (metal) musicians with the ambition.
"Will we survive the sleep?" -Phil
Thanks for the vid.
Music encapsulates a thought process, be it one of feeling or just random lunacy. Every time a dogma is envisaged, it limits the possibilities of the discipline. It would be akin to limiting your imagination to what is scientifically and mathematically possible.
it is something that DEP understands wtf they are doing, enough so to make sons out of it... or so it seems...but meshuggah puts out music, DEP plays modern art.
Ha, good point. I would pay even more to hear him scream it.
this video kicks ass
its not quite a talkbox. its a tone controller that you use with your breath. i heard tomas haake's brother made it just for fred, but i dont think he made more. its mad sweet though.
it is to this day still incredibly amusing to listen this video while reading the responses to my comments, knowing i had no direction with my "argument" and just fanned the flames as they came. such a delight is the subtle art of manipulation that i had to comeback and continue the nonsense. who now will humiliate themselves in argument with me? i'll begin the fun with more bias than ever before.
Fair enough, I wanted you to read "into" what I was saying, but it appears you can't, so... I meant a functioning body as in at LEAST respect to the necessary instrument needs. Ray Charles had a functioning brain, hands, lungs etc., so therefore he could take the abstract concept which is music and convert it to physical form. Same case scenario for each respective instrument.
being the one who mentioned opeth, i can guess you may be referring to me. so far i have listened in entirety to calculating infinity thrice, plagiarism twice, and miss machine twice, while also reading the provided lyrics, the accuracy of which i don't even care to investigate. if i haven't yet given them a "try", then what are suggesting i do exactly? finally, i write mainly in cursive and never about the dillinger escape plan, or even about "wanna-bes or flukes".
damn..took me all the way til the end of the video to realize there was a fake backdrop.
great bands.
what the fuck if you listen to dillinger greg can sing pretty damn good and hes a fuckin beast at screamin
have you tried playing one of their songs just sitting in a chair?!
it's hard as fuck.
now, try that while flying to the moon on your guitar...
as crazy as it looks, it's hard to even think of doing with their time changes, and rhythmic diversity.
personally, i salute them.
This is CALCULUS!
i don't know why some folks keep comparing DEP with meshuggah. Some comparisons are just incorrect
Nice TOOL sweatshirt on Jens.
word!
chris has had years of practice and familiarity with the tracks, im sure gil works better with any tracks that he specifically wrote drumt racks for on ire works
Chris and Ben had a massive falling out. Dudes couldn't stand each other.
imo hardcore is more rooted in punk than in metal.
meshuggah is the best metal band out there today.
i made no claim of having difficulty "envisaging imaginative constructs" but instead wonder "if i truly have no concept of the device, and you know" then could you conceive some people don't associate the abstract concept of music with imaginations? i do display masochism without malice on occasion.
i concur.
actually they are not that different. apples andf oranges are both seed containing fruit that grow on trees, often in the same region, under the same environmental factors. they can do this at the same time. they rate of growth can be measwure with the same equation. they both exist on this planet, in this gaolaxy, and this universe. they both contain sugar. they both have a protective but textured outer shell.
please also clarify each of these conventional musical dogmas. the given example is insufficient because it states not the relevance guitar playing or chords constitute on the subject of music, which was not mentioned or technically implied in the statement.
as do i (i'm not one for standing still on stage) but there's no way you can swing perfectly in 13/8 time then change back from 5/4 to 7/8 whislt rattling your brain as they do
I aim to misguide no-one. It's a sad, simplistic truth that many sought-after advancements, comprehensions and understandings are left unchecked due to petty human motivations. For example, the fact that the internal combustion engine is still in use after being some 80+ years obsolete.
DEP's drummer is dope but Denis the menace from Macabre is still my favorite.
i Have Jens' Tool sweatshirt...
well..
the same one
Well put Str1ngcheese. I make people try and play those very beats when they try and say theyre a musician and run down Bands like Meshuggah or DEP.
The interview should be Messugah, The Dillenger Escape Plan, and Fall Out Boy. I mean. Come on. Fall Out Boy is just as complex and creative as these two. If not more! Right? I'm crying foul.
Excellent vid, I
43 percent burnt is better than any boring meshuggah song.
that was pretty funny when the singer was bashing DEP
@hellonieman surpringly i think thats an acurate analogy.
1:37 lol! Kidman is a legend and he likes tool.
I'm #22,222. That's a pretty boss number! Nevermind that. Both Meshuggah and Dillinger are awesome... that's out of argument...
... I don't seem to have a point here, but yay anyways!
FUCK YEAH!
i wonder what they did with that giant nothing banner in the background . fuck if i could get my hands on that
LOL is chris pennie wearing a further seems forever shirt?
a band that used to have the guy from dashboard confessional on vocals... now THAT is funny
i just wonder if any of the a-holes posting "this band is better than that one" comments have ever sat down and learned any of their songs
Apparently, you cannot accept a sarcasm in your perfect world.
it is puzzling to determine your meaning in "a natural function" and not a "disorder" as the structure of the sentence implies they oppose each other and exists only separately. i would say if we exist at all it is indeed in nature. could it be an artificial function? is there no disorder in nature? how can you measure order and what defines each?
when exactly? I can't find it. :S
Fuck, dude, haven´t thought about that, would be so fucking great!
It's nice to see sweeping generalisations and misinformed bigotry are still alive and well on the internet.
i would agree the entire world population does indeed carry (at least 2) symptoms of the diagnoses at a given moment. a moment refers to a short period of time not greater than 30 seconds. your comment on the illness provokes thought with what appears to be either with intentional misguidance, or left cleverly open to interpretation.
Never mind....
interestingly enough, meshuggah has a clear meaning to anyone who should happen to investigate its origins. i hear dep and the songs mostly just ask me what they are about. i would strongly advise these highly educated "musicians" start making music or at least completely dissociate themselves from actual meaningful, music also known as meshuggah, or if you want to see the beauty and horror of death simultaneously consider opeth.
check out Converge..they are pretty intense
Dogmas within instruments? The set agreed system of thought and process regarding as to how an instrument can be played... as regarding guitar, this would be chords, progressions, scalars, schema, modes, etc. The true way to play a guitar is to place any given number of fingers at any point, and another bunch at any given other point.
i must point out the absurdity of a member of DEP speaking for jens kidman on meshugah's approach to songwriting, and would contend this equal to blasphemy and deserving of the blunt and honest difference between the two being spoken by jens as a grand entrance to the conversation that should have started and ended without ben weinman or DEP having any place to compare the two bands or speak at all.
Both bands kicks ass but DEP are deifantely no. 1...at least for me!
IMO, Meshuggah is more brutal than DEP, exept C.I. album, that's the most brutal album ever... but I guess the're right, it's stupid to compare these two bands, they both are great in the're own way.
His ass joined Coheed and Cambria ages ago.