Let's see... If Mavuika was the Pyro Archon 500 years ago, at the same time that the Kahenri'ah cataclysm happened and in the lore we are told that ALL THE ARCHONS EXCEPT RUKKHADEVATA WERE SENT BY CELESTIA TO KAHENRI'AH, shouldn't Mavuika be able to give us information about the cataclysm? And if the explanation is that Mavuika put her life essence into the sacred fire... does that mean that she disobeyed Celestia and did not go to Kahenri'ah? If so, would that explain the celestial pillar in the night realm? Shouldn't it be on the surface of Natlan and not in the night realm?
The natlan story isn't finished yet. The redacted name in pyro gemstone is still there and according to dainsleif in teyvat prevail trailer maviuka will share secret to us and also the waxal ubah khan story is also left
We still have the release of the volcano and the cleansing of Little Ones flamelord blessing to come as well as the Mare Jivari as and this years Dainsleif quest on the way
Raiden Shogun has a voiceline describing a feild of molten ash the size of musojin gourge. So its likely that Mavuika or the acting pyro archon was there. Plus, every pyro archon inherits the memories of their predecessor.
First, thank you for this video. I do not normally pay much attention to architecture, so it helps that you've told us what to look out for to identify the Unified Civilization ruins. About Ronova's personality, she might be as cranky as Citlali, but she did end up choosing the option where she uses her power to help the Night Kingdom, and all the people, living and dead, native-born and foreigner, of Natlan. About the false sky, the concept was first introduced in the Unreconciled Stars event, where both Scaramouche and Mona were considering this. Apparently, Barbeloth (Mona's teacher) was familiar with the concept, while all of Nahida's access to Irminsul did not allow her to learn about it. This lends credibility to Irminsul deliberately obscuring the concept, in a more subtle way than it normally does. About the moon sisters, there is a very interesting mural in Ochkanatlan, depicting Dragon King Nibelung ruling over a planet and three moons. The way the moons are depicted is not like anybody in the real world would draw a moon, and not like anybody in present-day Teyvat would draw a moon (which is constantly full moon), but consistent with the way the moon is drawn in some ancient ruins, such as in Tsurumi Island. Oh, and as we're discussing different moons one can see, the sky in Theater Imaginarium is a sight to behold. So many planets and moons! I wonder if it's constructed from the Hexenzircel's knowledge of the true sky beyond Teyvat, or is strictly imaginary. About Barbeloth's age, she was alive at the heyday of Hexenzircel, when Anderdottir and Ivanovna were still alive. Which seems to be shortly after the Cataclysm. So she is probably at least as old as Nahida and Yae Miko, and definitely older than Albedo and Melusines.
Re: the Hexenzirkel possibly having a member from Enkanomiya, I'd bet on Alice, since the Byakuyokoku Collection mentions an "Eris" whose Inazuman name is "Arisu," which is the romanization for how "Alice" is pronounced in Japanese. Add in that Alice renamed the Har Islands into "The Golden Apple Archipelago," and that the Greek Goddess Eris is famous for starting the Trojan War using a Golden Apple...
To be fair, there are 3 Khaenri'ahns we know of that seem to have escaped the Curse of Immortality before Natlan: Clothar, Halfdan, and Caribert, though the latter two did it in ways that are unlikely to be replicated en masse.
i was never really into the lore of genshin. but since natlan i'm kinda digging it a lot. loved the WQs especially. thank you for this video. kinda crazy how people make out natlan to be low on the lore side
I've found a lot of the fans like this only listen to the voiced out dialogue and ignore a majority of the other sources that provide info to them. Which is fine but also they shouldn't complain about not receiving info that they aren't seeking out 😭🙏 I also think the immaculate pacing of the Fontaine archon questline and huge play from Focalors at the end set some high expectations.
You should look into Sumeru's lore. Watch some theory videos or patch recaps. Just trust me lol, there's a LOT of interesting stuff there. The same goes for Fontaine.
@@catdownthestreet yeah, i know it's good. since i started following some lore yt channels, i kinda know the general gist of it. but i want to replay or rewatch some if not all story content some time in the future. for now i guess im just a casual lore enjoyer 😅
It occurs to me that the Shades seem to each be directly/thematically associated with 2 current/recent civilizations and one lost civilization. Time: Monstadt, Inazuma, Enkanomiya. Death: Natlan/Ochcanatlan (since the former is pretty much a direct continuation of the latter), Liyue, and Tsurumi Island (due to the entire Ferryman quest, and the fan theory that Kanna Kapatcir was created by the Shade of Death). Life: Fontaine, Sumeru, Lemuria. This would probably leave Void/Space with Schneznaya, Khaenri'ah, and maybe Deshret's civilizations (though considering the Golden Slumber, that could also be Death, which would possibly ruin my theory)?
2:36 The theory that the shades were around before the war with the dragons has always been assumed without evidence, but it's taken a number of hits in Natlan and recently before Natlan. This falls into 2 criticisms. The first is that the shades are not all the same and built to be dragon killers, but on the contrary they are all different and built to do things only AFTER the war is over in helping maintain the new order. The second is the power and age of the Seelie. Namely that the Seelie are incredibly powerful and they were with the Primordial One when it arrived (so there was no need to make Shades to fight - the Seelie could all fight and each one was on a level of fighting as the top dragon sovereigns). As for how Natlan adds to this consider the discussion between Ronova and Lord of the Night about the duty of a Seelie which is said (twice) to be to humans and not to serve either the Shades or even the Primordial One. Since the Seelies have a duty that precedes the PO they were not made by the PO. Had the PO made them as it made the Shades the Seelies would naturally owe their primary duty to the PO directly. Instead they owe it to humans, and as a result are allies and subordinates of the PO because of their common interests. Natlan also reinforces the idea of the Shades having "jobs" that are different and not being all created simply to fight dragons. As for the fighting strength of a pre-fall Seelie it is hard to judge but even post-fall the GoF seems to be more powerful than Deshret and Rukkhadevata/Nahida. Well this is not new in Natlan but Apep's conversation seems to treat GoF differently than the mere "gods" Deshret and Nahida whom Apep belittles as merely children of the PO. When Apep tries to excuse her failure to find FK when Deshret did manage to find FK, a humiliating defeat to such a baby as Deshret, Apep explains it as Deshret got help from the Goddess of Flowers. But that is no excuse if Apep saw the GoF as only on the same level as Deshret to begin with. Hence Apep tells us GoF is powerful beyond the gods. GoF is worthy of respect as an adversary the same as the Usurper itself.
It's been years and it is still by far the most important book in the game. I think whenever the rest of the volumes for the book from Lisa's quest are added they may be about as important.
I love the final archon quest for Natlan! It’s a very satisfying ending (and beginning) for Natlan! A good ending for Natlan’s constant struggle for war, and a new beginning for it at the same time! Also I don’t know if you’ve heard of him, but there’s this RUclipsr called ShadowImpact? His theory videos are really good! I’d check him out if I were you! One of his theories is that the Shades, like the angels or seele in this case, are secretly rebelling in their own way against the Heavenly Principles! With the Sustainer not letting us go when we’re a CLEAR threat to the Heavenly Principles of the world cuz we’re Descenders, Istaroth helping other nations either hide away from or separate them from the Heavenly Principles’s grasp (with the Sacred Sakura tree). The entirety of Enkanomiya and the other nations as well. And now Renova who “had her power stolen by treacherous Xbalanque” and her being “forced” to accept Capitano’s sacrifice instead of Mavuika. He raised a good question with the Captain; why did she accept his sacrifice when he’s not even the pyro archon? She could’ve EASILY refused him and demanded Mavuika’s life instead. I think they’re against the Heavenly Principles too with that in mind 🤔
I haven't heard of that creator or theory but that makes a lot of sense. I think one of my favorite theorizing channels is Ashikai, who's done some interesting topics like "what's inside the sustainers boxes" and why is the symbol from the staff of homa everywhere in the game
@@RhinedottirGold Yeah, her theory videos are pretty good as well. I like this one theory on Xbalanque from ShadowImpact that he’s actually the 3rd Descender! Cuz there just so happens to be some lore that says the Fire Sage didn’t know he’d enter into the picture, and apparently his fate was unknown. Kind of like how the Traveler isn’t a part of the world? Either way, I’m definitely looking forward to more lore drops in the upcoming patches!
@@Rocky-io5vtI remember that someone made a video about how Xbalanque might be Chok (forgive me if I spelled it wrong) and that he just changed his name, which is why the Sage of the Sacred Flame didn't know he would interfere with his plan with Ochkan. I feel like the only issue is that Xbalanque was in the night kingdom after death, which works similar to the leylines, and decenders can't connect to them, as seen in Lantern Rite. Idk, we don't know much about him despite meeting him
41:52 we will probably never know but it seems odd to make groups of the same statue if the statue is of a single individual. Also obviously the statues all pre-date the later days of Enkanomiya, and anything to do with their special relationship with Istaroth, which in any case wouldn't apply to the other places where these statues appear. They must have been there since the days of the Ancient Civilization. So they probably just depict Seelies or even human priests. Stuff familiar to any part of the Ancient Civilization.
the only sussy paimon did a thing when she was shield the raiden shogun attack(when thoma use the polearm and throw at raiden) in inazuma archon quest. She mention that she is a god of protection. Maybe the other reference gods of paimon are athena and soteria
hey if i can give some advice please improve your audio quality and mixing. the bg music is way too loud, especially in the beginning, in comp to your voice. the video was recced to me and i found the thumbnail really interesting but i can't go through the video because of that. if you manage it, as i see this is still a small channel, hope i see you recommended again
IIRC, if you go to the Book of Revelations realm and look behind you at the entrance, you can see what appears to be the fountain from the upside-down ruins in the Chasm.
I don't remember any post quest dialogues tackling that! usually that is when it is talked about 😭😭😭 Maybe traveler just threw in the towel on that info out of the Pyro archon because he found out they're all originally human so they can't be the Sustainer. Or maybe they'll finally get to asking for Mavuikas act 2. But usually that gets covered in the main questline 😭
didnt they sort of get closure after a bedtime chapter during fontaine? Plus, considering how hands on Mavuika has been- she would have mentioned her to us
Finding the sister is no longer the main goal, it's just a plot to keep us moving. It's that cliche where a hero go adventuring only to end up saving the world.
@@rhozpogi We already fount our sister/ Abyss Twin, They said: Continue your journey and we'll meet again at journey's end or something along those lines. Our main goal now is finding out what about "The Truth of this world" made them form the Abyss Order or are they being controlled somehow since their name was altered into Tayvet's World Tree. There is a War going on and "We" the main character didn't want to pick a side, only find our sibling and jump ship. The Sustainer forced us into staying, our journey will determine what side we support and the future of its "Rules"
@@RhinedottirGold I can't seem to post anything on the board so you'll probably see either nothing or it'll decide to post 6-7 duplicated comments at once. But none are showing up for me. Google "hoyolab Floor Eleven shows Dark Side of the Moon" to get an article about the moons being the same.
W video! Also I need to find Enjou so I can just talk with him. I just wanna talk with him. Mhm. W̶h̶e̶r̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶h̶e̶l̶l̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶m̶y̶ ̶s̶i̶s̶t̶e̶r̶?
the story is so great... but then i log in and see the "archon of war" in her cheap spandex suit and the dancing and chilling people in this "war torn country" and i just can't take it serious. i think i will stop playing genshin and watch your videos instead :)
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Let's see... If Mavuika was the Pyro Archon 500 years ago, at the same time that the Kahenri'ah cataclysm happened and in the lore we are told that ALL THE ARCHONS EXCEPT RUKKHADEVATA WERE SENT BY CELESTIA TO KAHENRI'AH, shouldn't Mavuika be able to give us information about the cataclysm? And if the explanation is that Mavuika put her life essence into the sacred fire... does that mean that she disobeyed Celestia and did not go to Kahenri'ah? If so, would that explain the celestial pillar in the night realm? Shouldn't it be on the surface of Natlan and not in the night realm?
The natlan story isn't finished yet. The redacted name in pyro gemstone is still there and according to dainsleif in teyvat prevail trailer maviuka will share secret to us and also the waxal ubah khan story is also left
We still have the release of the volcano and the cleansing of Little Ones flamelord blessing to come as well as the Mare Jivari as and this years Dainsleif quest on the way
we have another Natlan area which is the volcano where Iansan tribes reside and another extra that/will explain their old history so we wait for now.
Raiden Shogun has a voiceline describing a feild of molten ash the size of musojin gourge. So its likely that Mavuika or the acting pyro archon was there. Plus, every pyro archon inherits the memories of their predecessor.
@@mrcoder5614 i highly doubt they will continue natlan but it'd be great if they do
First, thank you for this video. I do not normally pay much attention to architecture, so it helps that you've told us what to look out for to identify the Unified Civilization ruins.
About Ronova's personality, she might be as cranky as Citlali, but she did end up choosing the option where she uses her power to help the Night Kingdom, and all the people, living and dead, native-born and foreigner, of Natlan.
About the false sky, the concept was first introduced in the Unreconciled Stars event, where both Scaramouche and Mona were considering this. Apparently, Barbeloth (Mona's teacher) was familiar with the concept, while all of Nahida's access to Irminsul did not allow her to learn about it. This lends credibility to Irminsul deliberately obscuring the concept, in a more subtle way than it normally does.
About the moon sisters, there is a very interesting mural in Ochkanatlan, depicting Dragon King Nibelung ruling over a planet and three moons. The way the moons are depicted is not like anybody in the real world would draw a moon, and not like anybody in present-day Teyvat would draw a moon (which is constantly full moon), but consistent with the way the moon is drawn in some ancient ruins, such as in Tsurumi Island.
Oh, and as we're discussing different moons one can see, the sky in Theater Imaginarium is a sight to behold. So many planets and moons! I wonder if it's constructed from the Hexenzircel's knowledge of the true sky beyond Teyvat, or is strictly imaginary.
About Barbeloth's age, she was alive at the heyday of Hexenzircel, when Anderdottir and Ivanovna were still alive. Which seems to be shortly after the Cataclysm. So she is probably at least as old as Nahida and Yae Miko, and definitely older than Albedo and Melusines.
Re: the Hexenzirkel possibly having a member from Enkanomiya, I'd bet on Alice, since the Byakuyokoku Collection mentions an "Eris" whose Inazuman name is "Arisu," which is the romanization for how "Alice" is pronounced in Japanese. Add in that Alice renamed the Har Islands into "The Golden Apple Archipelago," and that the Greek Goddess Eris is famous for starting the Trojan War using a Golden Apple...
ngl, i'm very impressed you remember the og island name
To be fair, there are 3 Khaenri'ahns we know of that seem to have escaped the Curse of Immortality before Natlan: Clothar, Halfdan, and Caribert, though the latter two did it in ways that are unlikely to be replicated en masse.
Very good work! Nice to see a new lore avatar in Faruzan.!
~41:00 diabolical knowledge goblin what a great descriptor XD
Nice observations!
i was never really into the lore of genshin.
but since natlan i'm kinda digging it a lot.
loved the WQs especially.
thank you for this video. kinda crazy how people make out natlan to be low on the lore side
I've found a lot of the fans like this only listen to the voiced out dialogue and ignore a majority of the other sources that provide info to them. Which is fine but also they shouldn't complain about not receiving info that they aren't seeking out 😭🙏
I also think the immaculate pacing of the Fontaine archon questline and huge play from Focalors at the end set some high expectations.
You should look into Sumeru's lore. Watch some theory videos or patch recaps. Just trust me lol, there's a LOT of interesting stuff there. The same goes for Fontaine.
@@catdownthestreet yeah, i know it's good.
since i started following some lore yt channels, i kinda know the general gist of it.
but i want to replay or rewatch some if not all story content some time in the future.
for now i guess im just a casual lore enjoyer 😅
I love (over)analyzing the ruins in this game. So many little details.
It occurs to me that the Shades seem to each be directly/thematically associated with 2 current/recent civilizations and one lost civilization. Time: Monstadt, Inazuma, Enkanomiya. Death: Natlan/Ochcanatlan (since the former is pretty much a direct continuation of the latter), Liyue, and Tsurumi Island (due to the entire Ferryman quest, and the fan theory that Kanna Kapatcir was created by the Shade of Death). Life: Fontaine, Sumeru, Lemuria.
This would probably leave Void/Space with Schneznaya, Khaenri'ah, and maybe Deshret's civilizations (though considering the Golden Slumber, that could also be Death, which would possibly ruin my theory)?
I don't even play genshin but fun to watch videos about the story
Every reveal, every drop and a sheer nuclear warhead at the end. Made me revaluate everything in the past. I'm like ok. XD
I'm so glad to finally hear someone mention the similarities in old ruins
2:36 The theory that the shades were around before the war with the dragons has always been assumed without evidence, but it's taken a number of hits in Natlan and recently before Natlan. This falls into 2 criticisms. The first is that the shades are not all the same and built to be dragon killers, but on the contrary they are all different and built to do things only AFTER the war is over in helping maintain the new order. The second is the power and age of the Seelie. Namely that the Seelie are incredibly powerful and they were with the Primordial One when it arrived (so there was no need to make Shades to fight - the Seelie could all fight and each one was on a level of fighting as the top dragon sovereigns).
As for how Natlan adds to this consider the discussion between Ronova and Lord of the Night about the duty of a Seelie which is said (twice) to be to humans and not to serve either the Shades or even the Primordial One. Since the Seelies have a duty that precedes the PO they were not made by the PO. Had the PO made them as it made the Shades the Seelies would naturally owe their primary duty to the PO directly. Instead they owe it to humans, and as a result are allies and subordinates of the PO because of their common interests.
Natlan also reinforces the idea of the Shades having "jobs" that are different and not being all created simply to fight dragons.
As for the fighting strength of a pre-fall Seelie it is hard to judge but even post-fall the GoF seems to be more powerful than Deshret and Rukkhadevata/Nahida. Well this is not new in Natlan but Apep's conversation seems to treat GoF differently than the mere "gods" Deshret and Nahida whom Apep belittles as merely children of the PO. When Apep tries to excuse her failure to find FK when Deshret did manage to find FK, a humiliating defeat to such a baby as Deshret, Apep explains it as Deshret got help from the Goddess of Flowers. But that is no excuse if Apep saw the GoF as only on the same level as Deshret to begin with. Hence Apep tells us GoF is powerful beyond the gods. GoF is worthy of respect as an adversary the same as the Usurper itself.
Thank you for the lore roundup
We will never escape before sun and moon 😂
It's been years and it is still by far the most important book in the game. I think whenever the rest of the volumes for the book from Lisa's quest are added they may be about as important.
Love the video, hope you keep making more like this! You have a new subscriber ❤
I love the final archon quest for Natlan! It’s a very satisfying ending (and beginning) for Natlan! A good ending for Natlan’s constant struggle for war, and a new beginning for it at the same time!
Also I don’t know if you’ve heard of him, but there’s this RUclipsr called ShadowImpact? His theory videos are really good! I’d check him out if I were you! One of his theories is that the Shades, like the angels or seele in this case, are secretly rebelling in their own way against the Heavenly Principles!
With the Sustainer not letting us go when we’re a CLEAR threat to the Heavenly Principles of the world cuz we’re Descenders, Istaroth helping other nations either hide away from or separate them from the Heavenly Principles’s grasp (with the Sacred Sakura tree). The entirety of Enkanomiya and the other nations as well. And now Renova who “had her power stolen by treacherous Xbalanque” and her being “forced” to accept Capitano’s sacrifice instead of Mavuika. He raised a good question with the Captain; why did she accept his sacrifice when he’s not even the pyro archon? She could’ve EASILY refused him and demanded Mavuika’s life instead. I think they’re against the Heavenly Principles too with that in mind 🤔
I haven't heard of that creator or theory but that makes a lot of sense.
I think one of my favorite theorizing channels is Ashikai, who's done some interesting topics like "what's inside the sustainers boxes" and why is the symbol from the staff of homa everywhere in the game
@@RhinedottirGold Yeah, her theory videos are pretty good as well. I like this one theory on Xbalanque from ShadowImpact that he’s actually the 3rd Descender! Cuz there just so happens to be some lore that says the Fire Sage didn’t know he’d enter into the picture, and apparently his fate was unknown. Kind of like how the Traveler isn’t a part of the world? Either way, I’m definitely looking forward to more lore drops in the upcoming patches!
@@Rocky-io5vtI remember that someone made a video about how Xbalanque might be Chok (forgive me if I spelled it wrong) and that he just changed his name, which is why the Sage of the Sacred Flame didn't know he would interfere with his plan with Ochkan. I feel like the only issue is that Xbalanque was in the night kingdom after death, which works similar to the leylines, and decenders can't connect to them, as seen in Lantern Rite. Idk, we don't know much about him despite meeting him
41:52 we will probably never know but it seems odd to make groups of the same statue if the statue is of a single individual. Also obviously the statues all pre-date the later days of Enkanomiya, and anything to do with their special relationship with Istaroth, which in any case wouldn't apply to the other places where these statues appear. They must have been there since the days of the Ancient Civilization. So they probably just depict Seelies or even human priests. Stuff familiar to any part of the Ancient Civilization.
Or they could depict the Shades in their full, unedited, number. It would be interesting if true.
the only sussy paimon did a thing when she was shield the raiden shogun attack(when thoma use the polearm and throw at raiden) in inazuma archon quest. She mention that she is a god of protection. Maybe the other reference gods of paimon are athena and soteria
hey if i can give some advice please improve your audio quality and mixing. the bg music is way too loud, especially in the beginning, in comp to your voice. the video was recced to me and i found the thumbnail really interesting but i can't go through the video because of that. if you manage it, as i see this is still a small channel, hope i see you recommended again
IIRC, if you go to the Book of Revelations realm and look behind you at the entrance, you can see what appears to be the fountain from the upside-down ruins in the Chasm.
I don’t even remember, have we even asked mavuika anything about our sister. Like the whole reason we even travelled there in the first place?
I don't remember any post quest dialogues tackling that! usually that is when it is talked about 😭😭😭
Maybe traveler just threw in the towel on that info out of the Pyro archon because he found out they're all originally human so they can't be the Sustainer. Or maybe they'll finally get to asking for Mavuikas act 2. But usually that gets covered in the main questline 😭
didnt they sort of get closure after a bedtime chapter during fontaine? Plus, considering how hands on Mavuika has been- she would have mentioned her to us
Finding the sister is no longer the main goal, it's just a plot to keep us moving. It's that cliche where a hero go adventuring only to end up saving the world.
@@rhozpogi We already fount our sister/ Abyss Twin, They said: Continue your journey and we'll meet again at journey's end or something along those lines. Our main goal now is finding out what about "The Truth of this world" made them form the Abyss Order or are they being controlled somehow since their name was altered into Tayvet's World Tree. There is a War going on and "We" the main character didn't want to pick a side, only find our sibling and jump ship. The Sustainer forced us into staying, our journey will determine what side we support and the future of its "Rules"
28:58 the first two are the same moon -- which you can see by looking at the mares on it's surface. It is a copy of the Terran moon, Luna.
They aren't the same. The moon in the spiral abyss and the moon in the night sky are distinct.
@@RhinedottirGold
Google "hoyolab Floor Eleven shows Dark Side of the Moon" to get an article about the moons being the same
@@RhinedottirGold I can't seem to post anything on the board so you'll probably see either nothing or it'll decide to post 6-7 duplicated comments at once.
But none are showing up for me.
Google "hoyolab Floor Eleven shows Dark Side of the Moon" to get an article about the moons being the same.
More please!
W video! Also I need to find Enjou so I can just talk with him. I just wanna talk with him. Mhm. W̶h̶e̶r̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶h̶e̶l̶l̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶m̶y̶ ̶s̶i̶s̶t̶e̶r̶?
the story is so great... but then i log in and see the "archon of war" in her cheap spandex suit and the dancing and chilling people in this "war torn country" and i just can't take it serious. i think i will stop playing genshin and watch your videos instead :)
ronovas jp voice is so wrong 💀
Sounds perfectly fine to me
it's absolutely perfect