So, in all seriousness, if you really are looking for some ideas for when you probably SHOULD swap, check this (sligggghtly outdated, use your judgement!) guide on when it may be better to swap: ruclips.net/video/IG2b52Vofew/видео.html
I always laugh when I play Dva and the enemy tanks swaps to Zarya and then I proceed to ignore her for the rest of the match while she tries to chase me around.
Winston is unironically a good dva counter cause he ignores armour, is faster, max value armour vs dva Crazy how it changed from dva counters winton to winton counters dva
@@spyhy4019nah dva melts you or ur bubble so much faster with micro missiles where as counterdiving dva is just annoying doesn’t really end in a kill 9/10 times.
I think spilo never said to not switch, just that, if you have to switch, do it to someone you're comfortable with, don't switch to a hero you can't play just because it has a good matchup against someone
The point being is that counterswapping tanks often naturally exposes you more to common DPS/Support picks from the enemy team without your team doing anything differently. If that's not the case for your backline, then yeah, swap. If the enemy team counterpicks your tank, they may accidentally swap into heroes that have bad matchups vs your backline.
Basically, if the enemy team hyperspecializes too much into countering the tank, they may then be vulnerable to being easily countered by the rest of your team.
even ignoring the fact that you're misunderstanding his argument... so what? literally nobody is ever going to win a significant majority of their games. some games are going to be unwinnable, and thats ok. enough games ARE winnable that you can still climb. 51% winrate is all you need, 55-60% winrate is what you cam reasonably expect. so many people get into this trap of "im getting better why am i not climbing" but the thing is you ARE climbing, its just gonna be back and forth and up and down the whole way up. you will have losing streaks, you will have unwinnable games, but you will also have winning streaks and unloseable games. sometimes your team is the one with a good comp for the map and their team is the one with a bunch of stubborn one tricks. the negativity bias is a bitch, when you have an easy game you just go "that was easy" and move on, when you have a hard game its very easy for it to ruin your entire mood
I think some of the problem with counterswapping is the culture of the game. People are not good at playing into counters because they just swap off most of the time and never get the practice, even on good maps for their hero. It's a positive feedback loop.
I personally find it immensely satisfying to beat "hard counters." Even more satisfying when the enemy team doesn't actually choose the right hard counters. Like playing Mauga into Winston, which isn't even really that good, especially on maps with lots of highground.
@@bigfudge2031 Sewerrat says hi, and personally like, switching ruins the game. A main should be viable at any level, provided you have enough skill level. It speaks for the health of the game that folks look at counters and challenges and immediately think of switching, instead of growing their personal skills. It's sad that folks think "pro" means not having fun/playing the characters you want to play.
Spilo, I'm super appreciative of the content you produce and education you provide. The community needs this series so badly! Discourse around counters is out of control
Two of my videos are about asking players why they think they need to counter to win. They can never give an answer. It's just ingrained in their brains and they never questioned it. That's why they lose, they already convinced themselves they need it. But your video shows how much we can still do, even when "countered"
I love this idea for a segment. Learning how to play into/around counters is something that a lot of people don't get when counterswapping is such a prevalent strategy. Educate the masses!
I’d like to see this kinda thing with a flyer like Pharah, Echo, etc bc I feel like so many ppl do complain abt the counterplay that goes on with them, and I’d like to see something where you analyze how a Pharah or something can play against a Soldier, Ashe, Widow, Dva, etc, great video, would love to see more, no matter the hero!
You either spam from outside their effective range, take angles they’re not covering, engage when they’re distracted, or hard flank and kill them. Sometimes I just play like a brawler and stick close to my team, even stay grounded most of the time. I think people forget you don’t have to fly 100% of the time. If you are on the ground like a normal hero, what special advantage does the hitscan player have now? Also use cover when you are flying, people also forget that for some reason. You know how normal heroes play against a widow? That’s basically how you play Pharah against hitscans.
@@DJWolfHouse yeah i play pharah from time to time myself and utilize these things, i dont rlly struggle much, i just think lots of average pharahs dont rlly do this, so it would be good to specifically show these things in this kind of video format
@@ItsHeracles Yeah I thought Pharah was broken even before the armor/projectile change, I don’t feel countered by anyone besides maybe a good Dva/Echo that camps you. 25 hp nerf hurt pretty bad though.
im happy i found your channel (thanks to my friend) and i feel like this is a good series, personally as a ram main i for some reason struggle against specifically zarya in the tank roster (that's just a skill issue), anti nade and discord combos, and high damage output dps (like bastion and junkrat), if it's just one of those I can pretty well adapt, but alltogether is insanely difficult for me for some reason.
Wait for zarya's bubble, whoever uses their cool down first loses the trade, if you don't shield right she can take space, bubble, and push your backline and wait for grav before you ult she trap you ajd run away
It depends on the map, but since Pharah has the advantage most of the time vs a lot of the hitscans now, and since hitscan is very weak to dive and brawl. (besides Cassidy) she should fare pretty easy
As an OTP pharah that has played collegiately and peaked gm before, there are like 3 different heroes that negates my value more than any cree or soldier
Yeah I played a couple games of pharaoh at like the start of season 12 Saw the fact that mauga was pretty horrible to deal with because he can just shoot you and set you on fire Played a couple of games of bastion and Aldo noticed that bastion is probably the only DPS who can consistently win against a pharah because he doesn't have to reload
Oh man a D.Va episode of this would be so interesting to me! I manage to counter some of her counters, if you play highgrounds correctly, but some times it seems so impossible, if just one of the enemy team goes either, Zarya, Sym or Echo
I love (as Doomfist) when most if not all enemy team counters me, they let me gain more knowledge about playing around them. And also when winning, giving them a teabagging with love.
Why wait? Just make your username have genji in it (cuz wtf why not) and then you get that in half your ranked games. But that’s not actually the worst comp imo cuz there isn’t much poke damage to force you out. It would be worse if there was a torb or a bap
@@AbdAllah-Tarek09you should tell that to the other team lmao, there’s so many times people will throw just to kill me. Like I’ll be in their backline, 4 members of their team come to chase me, and then my team runs over their tank and then the rest of their team. Or a Moira will just fade to chase me all the time and then just die
@@BuffGenji doesn't dive counter poke? I chose those characters because they're brawl characters, if I had chosen something like Bap, Widow, and whatever it would be easier to assassinate high value characters
This was very fun and educational to watch, thank you for doing this! Will this be a tank-exclusive series, or will we get some other heroes from perhaps the dps and support categories as well in the future? (I'd love to see a Genji one, as a Genji main I tend to struggle with counters.)
i really liked this content and im down for some more if you wanna keep doing them. this taught me more about fighting counters, than my 4 years playing overwtach.
A benefit to not swapping is that you get to play in those challenging circumstances that force you to improve. You can't become good at a skill unless you step out of your comfort zone and challenge yourself.
Unironically, this is why I like to play Orisa into Zarya. It's not an impossible MU, you just can't spin her laser. You have to be a lot more careful about baiting out bubbles, then rushing down with your fortify up.
Yeah just had a game where the enemy orisa didn't switch even though she was constantly going aggressive in on our zarya It also didn't help that we had zen which just made her death even faster
Can anyone be a part of this? I will intentionally play Genji into his hard counters because you can always outplay someone, and this would be a fantastic way to get better with how prevalent Brig is
@@almightyrasenit’s not as bad as it seems. Just need to recognize where you can and can’t engage. Poke out and communicate and you can climb pretty easily
@almightyrasen Ball takes effort. Rising to the occasion and making concrete progress makes you a better player. You'll get flamed and tilt but it's always the first flamer(s) fault for balking. If your death count is low and your uptime is high then you're playing a good game. Sometimes you'll have to die a lot to get wins and those deaths are way less important to worry about. Your kill count doesn't necessarily have to be high either. People afraid of skilled heroes themselves put their energy into ignoring your positive efforts and exaggerating your failures while not examining their gameplay and the bigger picture. Skilled heroes really need more players and I think being hesitant about it at first is the best attitude to have before you learn the position. The reward for playing well in the skilled positions blows every other hero experience out of the water.
So in a way, give up space so they the enemy can push up and your backline can follow up. But if theyre more towards there spawn going in would cause you to die due to your team not being to have angles correct?
i'd really like to do this as genji, or view it if you already did it. I can play and rip through most genji counters like winston, sombra, mei, sym, brig, moira, torb, with no issue. But I have such a hard time doing anything meaningful against a top 100 tracer or echo.
glad people are realizing counter picks dont instantly mean you're countered. as winston i have bullied too many confident reapers, just gotta know how to play against it
Yeah I've really noticed that ball really doesn't get played a lot Even though he isn't really that bad Ball is by far the hardest tank to kill in the game because it's so hard to chase him down once low So he's basically a more dangerous Sombra who's constantly pestering the backline But then again it does make sense as balls counters are very oppressive and basically force him to switch Especially heroes like Sombra or Cass
Yes Maps with a lot of verticality will be poor for heroes without vertical movement Such as Reinhardt So maps like most escort maps Are pretty poor due to them having high verticality (especially maps like circuit Royal or Havana) But then maps with loads of flat empty areas are exactly beneficial to Reinhard because he can actually use his charge more effectively So maps like eichenwalde or blizzard world are better maps for rein because he can use his charge for maximum potential And his fire strikes are also better as they won't get stopped as easily
Hey i joined overwatch end season 9 and went from silver 5 to platinum 5 with otp Sigma. Heres what i feel like is unfun comp to play against. Sigma vs Zarya, Sym, Pharah. If you wanna add sups - moira and HEAR ME OUT lw (most of time he is out of reach and pulls low/half hp deminishing all of the progress made). Substitute for tank possibly Winton. For dps any flyers and if player not sharp enough Sombra. Possible substitude for supps Kiriko (for obvios reasons)
Will there ever be a dps scenario? I am a 1 trick junkrat and it would be fun to learn something from a zarya, pharah, echo combo. Though Ik that I would get obliterated lol.
I play a lot of Junkerqueen and I run into comps like Zarya/Junkrat/Cassidy/Kiriko/Ana. Often feels like I cant do crap all unless one of those players is experiencing brain death so I can pick one of them off.
you just made me remember a game i had against a Zarya, Reaper, Tracer, Moira and Kiri. At some point I just stood still and typed on chat "honestly, what's the point of my ult?"
The problem with this scenario is that 90% of the time you will not get a dps comp that works around winston like this one at the start.....you will have a junkrat inting at the start or some other crap that doesnt work even on masters-gm....thats also the stage where I cant continue playing the game when I am countered and the rest of my team doesnt pick around me to counter their bad picks that open op a lot of chances for them. In my games enemies always go for sombra+tank burster (especially on payload/push where my options are limited) and mostly my dps line has 1 person always going in far to early and dying and then stagger fights out and forcing 4v5 at some points, then you have a second dps that just doesnt work in the situation at all and isnt using the space you create (they basicly stack up on 1 angle and all the pressure is on you in the front).
He put no restrictions on what dps heroes the blue team picked but yes as Spilo said, he recommends swapping if he was coaching the winston in this match
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So, in all seriousness, if you really are looking for some ideas for when you probably SHOULD swap, check this (sligggghtly outdated, use your judgement!) guide on when it may be better to swap: ruclips.net/video/IG2b52Vofew/видео.html
Could you say the players rank in the next videos?
"Any questions?"
"Why are you so charismatic?"
"Crack cocaine."
peak
she don't lie, she don't lie, she don't lie....
someone timestamp this for me I have to make lunch
@@chickenpower5732 very last sentence of the video
This is going to be a phenomenal series
I hope so. This community is so bad at this game at a knowledge level.
@@ReaveIdono true
I always laugh when I play Dva and the enemy tanks swaps to Zarya and then I proceed to ignore her for the rest of the match while she tries to chase me around.
Zarya never really countered Dva like ever. It's even more evident now because the Tanks are so overtuned
Depends on the map really
Winston is unironically a good dva counter cause he ignores armour, is faster, max value armour vs dva
Crazy how it changed from dva counters winton to winton counters dva
@@spyhy4019 All the armor changes and Winston being able to ignore armor was insane for Winston in that matchup
@@spyhy4019nah dva melts you or ur bubble so much faster with micro missiles where as counterdiving dva is just annoying doesn’t really end in a kill 9/10 times.
cant wait for the ball episode against sombra brig ana where the ball is on life support by the end
Not just the ball, but the person playing because they've gone into cardiac arrest because their blood pressure is too high.
You mean the ball that can hunt down and kill Sombra now that her teleport range was nerfed? Seems a terrible match up lol.
@@ReaveIdono can't hunt down a sombra 76
@@knyt0 Skill issue
@@ReaveIdonosombra hasn’t been a huge counter for a while (by herself at least if she’s working well with a whole team it can be absolutely miserable)
Wee need a doomfist scenario for this asap
funny you should say that...
every doomfist plays against a counter, the question is how much counters do they play against
Doomfist players never swap tbf
Most are managable, except for Sombra.
@@silasd7348cass is worse than sombra. Cant react to flash like you can hack.
As a doomfist/rein player. Praying vs my counters is all i do
Sometimes it is more praying than playing.
Doomfist here, lets pray together it might be the only hope
As a Tracer player SAME
“And dey say…”
Thank god someone said it.. I’m also doom/rein main and people cry and cry about counters, but they just don’t exist if you know how to play around it
Learning how to still play into your counter inlocks a new skill. This is great.
So…I can play into my counters if my team plays into theirs?
Yeah, I guess I’ll just switch then…
I think spilo never said to not switch, just that, if you have to switch, do it to someone you're comfortable with, don't switch to a hero you can't play just because it has a good matchup against someone
The point being is that counterswapping tanks often naturally exposes you more to common DPS/Support picks from the enemy team without your team doing anything differently. If that's not the case for your backline, then yeah, swap. If the enemy team counterpicks your tank, they may accidentally swap into heroes that have bad matchups vs your backline.
@@DJWolfHouse If the enemy team counterpicks your tank, they may accidentally swap into heroes that have bad matchups vs your backline.
Basically, if the enemy team hyperspecializes too much into countering the tank, they may then be vulnerable to being easily countered by the rest of your team.
even ignoring the fact that you're misunderstanding his argument... so what? literally nobody is ever going to win a significant majority of their games. some games are going to be unwinnable, and thats ok. enough games ARE winnable that you can still climb. 51% winrate is all you need, 55-60% winrate is what you cam reasonably expect. so many people get into this trap of "im getting better why am i not climbing" but the thing is you ARE climbing, its just gonna be back and forth and up and down the whole way up. you will have losing streaks, you will have unwinnable games, but you will also have winning streaks and unloseable games. sometimes your team is the one with a good comp for the map and their team is the one with a bunch of stubborn one tricks. the negativity bias is a bitch, when you have an easy game you just go "that was easy" and move on, when you have a hard game its very easy for it to ruin your entire mood
A Genji vs Zarya, Sym, Mei, Moira and Brig would be really fun to watch.
This is a good idea. I hope those pays off and could be a longer series, because this some actual content creation.
I think some of the problem with counterswapping is the culture of the game. People are not good at playing into counters because they just swap off most of the time and never get the practice, even on good maps for their hero. It's a positive feedback loop.
Or the counters make the experience too miserable to actually get practice out of it
@@goatyqt4553 miserable doesn't stop you that's just skil issue on your side
I am Winton. I approve the points made in this video. I mean. Winton
Winton
For me, it isn't that they're unbeatable. It's just... Exhausting
I personally find it immensely satisfying to beat "hard counters." Even more satisfying when the enemy team doesn't actually choose the right hard counters. Like playing Mauga into Winston, which isn't even really that good, especially on maps with lots of highground.
I would love to see a junkrat against a Phar/Echo/Juno/D.Va combo. Would be fascinating to see how a pro would navigate that sort of team comp
The pro would tell you not to play Junkrat
They would switch, also no pro player is going to play junkrat to begin with 😂
@@bigfudge2031 Sewerrat says hi, and personally like, switching ruins the game. A main should be viable at any level, provided you have enough skill level. It speaks for the health of the game that folks look at counters and challenges and immediately think of switching, instead of growing their personal skills. It's sad that folks think "pro" means not having fun/playing the characters you want to play.
@@crabdoc sewerrat is a good junkrat, but he is NOT a pro player lol
@@emmettbachran13 I mean if a player is T500, and manages to keep that title, I consider them a pro player.
Overwatch esports needs this as part of the watching experience. Having the overview is so nice
Cool video idea! Gotta continue this series with a Doomfist episode!
Spilo, I'm super appreciative of the content you produce and education you provide. The community needs this series so badly! Discourse around counters is out of control
As a Tracer player I have had maybe 5 matches in the past year where I wasn't forced to play against some or all counters.
Two of my videos are about asking players why they think they need to counter to win. They can never give an answer. It's just ingrained in their brains and they never questioned it. That's why they lose, they already convinced themselves they need it. But your video shows how much we can still do, even when "countered"
Spilo out here filling the void left by Jayne.
I love this idea for a segment. Learning how to play into/around counters is something that a lot of people don't get when counterswapping is such a prevalent strategy. Educate the masses!
Happy to do a rein scenario on any unfavorable maps
I’d like to see this kinda thing with a flyer like Pharah, Echo, etc bc I feel like so many ppl do complain abt the counterplay that goes on with them, and I’d like to see something where you analyze how a Pharah or something can play against a Soldier, Ashe, Widow, Dva, etc, great video, would love to see more, no matter the hero!
You either spam from outside their effective range, take angles they’re not covering, engage when they’re distracted, or hard flank and kill them. Sometimes I just play like a brawler and stick close to my team, even stay grounded most of the time.
I think people forget you don’t have to fly 100% of the time. If you are on the ground like a normal hero, what special advantage does the hitscan player have now? Also use cover when you are flying, people also forget that for some reason.
You know how normal heroes play against a widow? That’s basically how you play Pharah against hitscans.
@@DJWolfHouse yeah i play pharah from time to time myself and utilize these things, i dont rlly struggle much, i just think lots of average pharahs dont rlly do this, so it would be good to specifically show these things in this kind of video format
@@ItsHeracles Yeah I thought Pharah was broken even before the armor/projectile change, I don’t feel countered by anyone besides maybe a good Dva/Echo that camps you. 25 hp nerf hurt pretty bad though.
We need a wrecking ball version of this. If you're playing around hook, hack, hinder, Brigette/lucio displacement, I'm not sure what the plan is.
im happy i found your channel (thanks to my friend) and i feel like this is a good series, personally as a ram main i for some reason struggle against specifically zarya in the tank roster (that's just a skill issue), anti nade and discord combos, and high damage output dps (like bastion and junkrat), if it's just one of those I can pretty well adapt, but alltogether is insanely difficult for me for some reason.
Wait for zarya's bubble, whoever uses their cool down first loses the trade, if you don't shield right she can take space, bubble, and push your backline and wait for grav before you ult she trap you ajd run away
This is a really cool concept I'd Like to see a venture going against a torb cass orisa etc
The live gameplay section was so fun to watch, felt like owcs lol
Time to really see how well hitscan fares against Pharah!
It depends on the map, but since Pharah has the advantage most of the time vs a lot of the hitscans now, and since hitscan is very weak to dive and brawl. (besides Cassidy) she should fare pretty easy
So its the opposite now, let’s see how hitscans play around a pharah lmao.
As an OTP pharah that has played collegiately and peaked gm before, there are like 3 different heroes that negates my value more than any cree or soldier
@@Bayckun how scary are Bastions for you.
Yeah I played a couple games of pharaoh at like the start of season 12
Saw the fact that mauga was pretty horrible to deal with because he can just shoot you and set you on fire
Played a couple of games of bastion and Aldo noticed that bastion is probably the only DPS who can consistently win against a pharah because he doesn't have to reload
I really like this idea for a series. I myself will get lots of use out of this…
so nice how fleshed out VOD and spectator tools are prob thanks to the competitive past of OW
Oh man a D.Va episode of this would be so interesting to me! I manage to counter some of her counters, if you play highgrounds correctly, but some times it seems so impossible, if just one of the enemy team goes either, Zarya, Sym or Echo
that might be on you
Dva usually in high ground maps will win
to summarize the key to winning in overwatch is line of sight healers need to see you to heal you and dps need to see who you fighting to help you
I love (as Doomfist) when most if not all enemy team counters me, they let me gain more knowledge about playing around them.
And also when winning, giving them a teabagging with love.
I love winston, hard rooting for uxil the whole time, so glad he and his team made it 🎉
I want to see Mauga into Sigma, Ana, Zen. Especially on linear maps/points where it's hard to avoid face tanking.
Can't wait for Zarya, Mei, Sombra, Brig, and Moira Vs Genji
Why wait? Just make your username have genji in it (cuz wtf why not) and then you get that in half your ranked games. But that’s not actually the worst comp imo cuz there isn’t much poke damage to force you out. It would be worse if there was a torb or a bap
Moira brig sucks ass as a comp if you play around your team into that it's not that hard
my guy it is a 5v5 game not a genji v5
@@AbdAllah-Tarek09you should tell that to the other team lmao, there’s so many times people will throw just to kill me. Like I’ll be in their backline, 4 members of their team come to chase me, and then my team runs over their tank and then the rest of their team. Or a Moira will just fade to chase me all the time and then just die
@@BuffGenji doesn't dive counter poke? I chose those characters because they're brawl characters, if I had chosen something like Bap, Widow, and whatever it would be easier to assassinate high value characters
This is such a cool project!
This is a dope fricking idea. Please carry this on.
Could be dope to see Sigma and Rein please.
Also Orisa.
This was very fun and educational to watch, thank you for doing this! Will this be a tank-exclusive series, or will we get some other heroes from perhaps the dps and support categories as well in the future? (I'd love to see a Genji one, as a Genji main I tend to struggle with counters.)
This needs a series
More coaches need to watch Spilo. Some good methods to coaching, for games or other sports.
i really liked this content and im down for some more if you wanna keep doing them. this taught me more about fighting counters, than my 4 years playing overwtach.
I gotta say this was actually pretty fun to watch🤷♀️
Nice jobs everyone🫡
Absolutely love the concept, great video!
GM here, this actually gives me confidence to play winston more.
Ball players: "First time?"
Would love to see this with Ball
My lord and savior spilo, please, I need this for genji
A benefit to not swapping is that you get to play in those challenging circumstances that force you to improve. You can't become good at a skill unless you step out of your comfort zone and challenge yourself.
This is interesting. looking forward to finishing the vid
i want to hear him say this when they swap cree, sombra, ana, brig, and roadhog in quickplay when i play ball (happened yesterday night)
Im extremely excited for this and can't wait to see what you do for Sigma and Ramattra
Unironically, this is why I like to play Orisa into Zarya. It's not an impossible MU, you just can't spin her laser. You have to be a lot more careful about baiting out bubbles, then rushing down with your fortify up.
Yeah just had a game where the enemy orisa didn't switch even though she was constantly going aggressive in on our zarya
It also didn't help that we had zen which just made her death even faster
Love this series! hope to see more soon!
The content the OW community needs so bad (but they do not know yet).
Can anyone be a part of this? I will intentionally play Genji into his hard counters because you can always outplay someone, and this would be a fantastic way to get better with how prevalent Brig is
Misery Heros is surely the better name for it? The pun was right there!
As a Winston OTP this gave me Vietnam flashbacks
The Wrecking Ball player trying to play around against the Brig, Cass, and Sombra team
MORE VIDEOS LIKE THIS PLZ!
I LOVEEEE THIS TYPE OF CONTENT
You should really start a series, do it for every character
This is a great idea
I play against multiple counters every game as Ball and I don't complain, I just learned how to play around them
i like the format a lot
Start a series where you only swap to what could be countered (go dva into zar, doom into orisa, wonton into hog) (in pubs)
he is pretty honest about the krak-kokayne ;) lol
Ball OTP here. I play against my “counters” in groups of 3-5 every comp match. Better against them then the hero’s ball “counters” now
i’m trying to get like you to have the cajones to take ball into comp.
@@almightyrasenit’s not as bad as it seems. Just need to recognize where you can and can’t engage. Poke out and communicate and you can climb pretty easily
@@almightyrasenthat guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about just turn off chat n vibe
@almightyrasen Ball takes effort. Rising to the occasion and making concrete progress makes you a better player.
You'll get flamed and tilt but it's always the first flamer(s) fault for balking. If your death count is low and your uptime is high then you're playing a good game. Sometimes you'll have to die a lot to get wins and those deaths are way less important to worry about. Your kill count doesn't necessarily have to be high either. People afraid of skilled heroes themselves put their energy into ignoring your positive efforts and exaggerating your failures while not examining their gameplay and the bigger picture. Skilled heroes really need more players and I think being hesitant about it at first is the best attitude to have before you learn the position. The reward for playing well in the skilled positions blows every other hero experience out of the water.
Interested to see if you could extend this to DPS hereos too, I'm struggling on tracer whenever I'm into cass/reaper/brig/juno or something similar
Hello spillo. Do you do vod reviews for lower ranked players? Diamond for example
I think your perception of “low rank” is a bit skewed lol
So in a way, give up space so they the enemy can push up and your backline can follow up. But if theyre more towards there spawn going in would cause you to die due to your team not being to have angles correct?
And dey say we need Doomfist next
I love this concept. What rank is this? I would assume it is plat to diamond maybe masters. I can't wait for the next video.
Ik you're doing this for tanks but I'd be interested to see how a genji one would go vs zarya, Moira, mei, sym
Poorly
@@loserinasuit7880 well obviously..that's the point of calling it misery watch
I think a dva/reaper comp would be a better example of winston counters
i'd really like to do this as genji, or view it if you already did it. I can play and rip through most genji counters like winston, sombra, mei, sym, brig, moira, torb, with no issue.
But I have such a hard time doing anything meaningful against a top 100 tracer or echo.
glad people are realizing counter picks dont instantly mean you're countered. as winston i have bullied too many confident reapers, just gotta know how to play against it
Funny timing considering that I sent you a video on counter swapping of mine to hear your thoughts
Patiently waiting for ball vs counter stack
This guy so real
ball next please, he feels 100% irrelevant after 2 enemy swaps - and i have by far the most hours on hammond out of all characters
Yeah I've really noticed that ball really doesn't get played a lot
Even though he isn't really that bad
Ball is by far the hardest tank to kill in the game because it's so hard to chase him down once low
So he's basically a more dangerous Sombra who's constantly pestering the backline
But then again it does make sense as balls counters are very oppressive and basically force him to switch
Especially heroes like Sombra or Cass
What’s the rule for maps? Will there be bad maps for characters too?
Yes
Maps with a lot of verticality will be poor for heroes without vertical movement
Such as Reinhardt
So maps like most escort maps
Are pretty poor due to them having high verticality (especially maps like circuit Royal or Havana)
But then maps with loads of flat empty areas are exactly beneficial to Reinhard because he can actually use his charge more effectively
So maps like eichenwalde or blizzard world are better maps for rein because he can use his charge for maximum potential
And his fire strikes are also better as they won't get stopped as easily
Spilo do u mainly do this with PC players?
Yeah, when the enemy team goes Bastion, your team's DPS should be feasting.
Need a Ball video ASAP
missed opportunity to call this "Misery Heroes"
that's why u r the GOAT
Next vid: “ I forced homeless people to just buy a house “
Now let’s see a rein go against mauga/bastion/junk/zen/bap
Not calling it "Misery Heroes" feels like a missed opportunity, ngl.
Very cool idea for a video
i already do this by one tricking bastion
I want to see pharah against Dva,Soldier 76,Ashe, Baptiste, and an Ana
Hey i joined overwatch end season 9 and went from silver 5 to platinum 5 with otp Sigma. Heres what i feel like is unfun comp to play against. Sigma vs Zarya, Sym, Pharah. If you wanna add sups - moira and HEAR ME OUT lw (most of time he is out of reach and pulls low/half hp deminishing all of the progress made). Substitute for tank possibly Winton. For dps any flyers and if player not sharp enough Sombra. Possible substitude for supps Kiriko (for obvios reasons)
Doom and Rein mains struggling to understand what the challenge is 😂
Will there ever be a dps scenario? I am a 1 trick junkrat and it would be fun to learn something from a zarya, pharah, echo combo. Though Ik that I would get obliterated lol.
I play a lot of Junkerqueen and I run into comps like Zarya/Junkrat/Cassidy/Kiriko/Ana. Often feels like I cant do crap all unless one of those players is experiencing brain death so I can pick one of them off.
you just made me remember a game i had against a Zarya, Reaper, Tracer, Moira and Kiri. At some point I just stood still and typed on chat "honestly, what's the point of my ult?"
then why are you playing into multiple counters?
1 or 2 is great but many and you are just stressing your supports
Omg (dva , genji , sombra , Ana and kiriko 😭 ) that would be my worst nightmare
The problem with this scenario is that 90% of the time you will not get a dps comp that works around winston like this one at the start.....you will have a junkrat inting at the start or some other crap that doesnt work even on masters-gm....thats also the stage where I cant continue playing the game when I am countered and the rest of my team doesnt pick around me to counter their bad picks that open op a lot of chances for them.
In my games enemies always go for sombra+tank burster (especially on payload/push where my options are limited) and mostly my dps line has 1 person always going in far to early and dying and then stagger fights out and forcing 4v5 at some points, then you have a second dps that just doesnt work in the situation at all and isnt using the space you create (they basicly stack up on 1 angle and all the pressure is on you in the front).
He put no restrictions on what dps heroes the blue team picked but yes as Spilo said, he recommends swapping if he was coaching the winston in this match
@@Kanggaxx yes I watched the video, but then with the video titel it doesnt make sense.
I love this kind of video.