my Question is... Which one has a full Size Stock Spare Tyre? (BYD Shark or Ford PHEV) in videos I've seen no spare for the Shark, even though I prefer their design & price to how much ever the Ford would be... that could be a game changer for some people, when making a purchase.
The Ranger has been neutered to keep a big power gap to the Raptor. I think the BYD will probably be the better vehicle although the positioning of tge battery looks to be a worry for those (few) into serious off roading ...
A big difference not pointed out here is the BYD is electric only Propulsion. The ICE motor is a generator only for charging the battery and is capable of charging the battery continuously at maximum towing capacity. Where the Ranger power is the addition of the Electric motor and the ICE motor together, both motors driving the wheels independently. When the limited battery capacity is used there is no electric motor power and the Ranger is lower power front wheel drive only. The BYD is significantly better.
Nah it's more than that, as a BYD hybrid owner myself, I know for sure BYD's DMI/DMO systems are so much more than just a mere range extender. Its ICE engine can drive the wheels independently too, or drive em together with motors, or run as a battery charger, or drive wheels while charging. The control logic deciding when to start the engine is also very complicated, sometimes you'll see the vehicle going 90 mph but engine is dead silent, sometimes engine kicks in while you're stopping for traffic. But the overall efficiency is ridiculously amazing!
I’m not sure you are correct about the ford. I’m pretty sure from the diagrams provided by ford that the PHEV ranger maintains the same mechanical setup as on the v6. It can do AWD electric, AWD combined and AWD ICE only.
@petermills1402 that's what I've been saying. So it will at that stage use 8.9L/100Km on the highway. I understand that a lot of the time it will be able to use electric power, but it's not fully self recharging and will still chew the fuel. It's more like a hybrid than an EV.
When it comes to hybids and electric BYD wins hands down. They are the og of this domain. Ford is just a new comer with very littke experience in production scale hybid and EVs.
I am not an expert but have read so many times that you should never tow more than the towing vehicle weighs and it can be very dangerous if you do, so I would be more comfortable using the BYD for towing.
See many "STUPID" accidents when towing "Over Weight" cargo. Playing SAFE when towing HEAVY cargo has always be " Indoctrinated " into me. Losing Control in corners and emergency Braking always amazed me when it happens.
@@stefwellielol, dont know about him but I have been towing for decades and he is correct, it is simple physics. A heavier tow vehicle is not pushed around by the trailer in a bumper pull set up, when the tow vehicle is heavier . Prime movers are totally different because being a 5h wheel setup, 45/50 % of the trailer weight is on the rear axle group of the prime mover.
Hi, I would choose the BYD here in South Africa. And you didn't mention that the engine is just a generator and not connected to the drive train system, so its rpm is constant.
The engine is not only a generator but also connects to the front drivetrain in high speed when needed. This is where many people get wrong with the PHEV system of BYD. The DM-O, DM-I or DM-P system of BYD is much sophisticated than any other PHEV.
It's confusing but I think the PHEV system is different in the yangwang U8 where it is a pure generator but in regular BYD's it drives the wheels also in certain conditions. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
@@zhengzeng1515 Not really much more sophisticated. It's called series-parallel powertrain. It's even less sophisticated than parallel hybrid powertrain, because there is no need for a complicated gearbox.
The Shark makes sense. It's motor is a generator. This makes the ice engine run at an optimaln constant rate saving you gas. If the shark towed more it would smoke the Ranger
@myhome772 If the battery is low, BYD Shark switches to gasoline, and while you are driving using the gasoline engine, BYD Shark charges itself. No loss of time at all.
Some may have already eluded to this: there are 2 distinctly different design approaches to these vehicles, Ford have taken the conventional Ranger and jammed some EV bits into the middle of the powertrain, BYD have created a proper EV from the ground up (2 electric motors direct drive a pair of wheels each) with a decent battery that can top up from an on-board petrol-powered generator - think similar to an old diesel electric locomotive! No contest as for which system has superior performance and efficiency!
Exactly. Traditional PARALLEL Hybrid like the Ranger PHEV is different than the Shark which is a REEV. The difference is the Shark has ONLY electric motors powering the wheels with a smaller ICE motor acting only as a generator. Hybrids in general actually have more parts than an ICE compared to pure BEV.
BYD if you’re listening, we need a full EV Ute with 3.5T towing, 6.5T GCM, and >500km range while towing. The caravan industry is massive and you’d immediately take over.
Toyota's only Electric vehicle isn't selling very well in Australia. It's very pricey for what they offer in specs and tech. Warren Buffet has invested in BYD.
Here in the US we have gotten used to getting 2nd or 3rd tier quality and engineering and think it’s normal. The US bubble is about to burst and it’s not going to be happy times for a lot of companies here.
What about the Cannon Alpha from GWM? It is gong to be a plug in hybrid available from 2025, with bigger battery again and longer electric only range, with 3.5 tonne towing capacity.
I would consider the BYD Shark over the Ford Ranger for a number of reasons. 1. Price. It will be about 20 grand cheaper. 2. more power and torque. 3. More electric range. There are a few more but these are the most relevant to me. Downsides: 1. poor towing capacity (luckily my caravan is 2.4 tonne max, so just scrapes in). 2. payload is not very big but could be improved with a GVM upgrade. 3. the petrol motor is a bit small at 1.5 litres. Overall the Shark wins
I have been waiting so long for an off road ev, looking like this will be my best option. It is possibly easy to upgrade the battery and remove the petrol motor in the future. It has been built with full BEV in mind. Full BEV is planned, no idea when.
@TerryHickey-xt4mf I get a one off chance to get into an ev, as never be another income, any trade would be down sizing and loss, but is a consideration.
@myhome772 i’ve been providing road service for the new car sector for 23 years and not only is the Ranger one of the worst unreliable cars on the road the dealerships failed to fix them, I go to so many people who are so angry that they bought one and wish I didn’t
The upcoming GWM Cannon (or Tank 500) seems to be the sweet spot between these two, with 3 tonne towing and 100km EV range. Plus 3 diff locks for superior off road handling. Also TFL’s review of the Shark’s suspension was that it was harsh. The GWM’s seems to be better.
Nice video with good info. However, since the ICE engine only provides electricity to the electric motors (with do direct connection to the drive wheels), it should not be mentioned as additional horsepower. The two electric motors are the only contributors to the horsepower of the Shark. (In contrast, the Ranger ICE engine is connected to the drivetrain along with the electric motor, so both can be combined to consider the total horsepower.)
My younger self, in 20's, lived in apartment & drive everywhere at a whim. This wouldve been my ideal wheels. Gas $ was the last thing on my mind. In fact, today, my phev fuel cost about the same per mile as my Y. ($.37/kwh Calif PG&E)
The upcoming GWM Cannon (or Tank 500) PHEV seems to be the sweet spot between these two, with 3 tonne towing and 100km EV range. Plus 3 diff locks for superior off road handling. Also TFL’s review of the Shark’s suspension was that it was harsh. The GWM’s seems to be better. Oh and the GWMs are a known quantity and based on owner reviews, have less issues than the Rangers.
Not many will be able to use the 3.5 t towing capacity. 10% ball weight, 350 kg on tow ball will leave not much in the gvm once you add driver, passengers and other load.
From $15k to $35k that's the minimum range of profit returns every month its not a bad one for me.. As a beginner, it's essential for you to have a mentor to keep your accountable...
DC fast charging speed is all about the battery size and health. You can’t fast charge a tiny 11kWh battery at say 80kW without damaging it. The BYD has a larger battery so it can fast charge faster (40kW I think you said).
According to some other channels, because the Ford is made in SA it will attract a tarrif (currently none for Chinese vehicles) and therefore potentially higher price than what might otherwise be expected compared to other Ranger models.
I'd love to be able to buy a series hybrid, AWE, fully independent suspension small pickup truck in the USA, but a possible future Ranger PHEV is a step in the right direction.
I think BYD played it safe under-rating the Shark's towing capacity. Add the Shark's electric and combustion power figures and it becomes obvious. Also, the torque is more prevalent in the electric motors. A head to head done by the likes of TFL truck would prove my point.
Sam, the amount of power (in KW) that a battery can handle both when charging and discharging is directly related to the size of the battery; this means that the smaller a battery is, the less power it can receive when charging (or deliver to the electric motors, though that is only an issue if the battery is pitifully small like that of the Ranger). As such, a PHEV with a small battery will always be much more limited in how much power it can receive than a BEV with a larger battery, assuming both use the same underlying battery tech. To put it another way, with a powerful enough charger the battery size does not change how much time it takes to charge the battery. You can triple the battery size and, if your charger is powerful enough, it will still take the same time to charge.
Thats a good point. I'd also love to see a hybrid version that's a bit like a cut down tub, with a flat top above the wheels, and a trundle draw below. Basically a schmick tray that blends perfectly with the body.
@myhome772 says your opinion, I love that you love Toyota =] trajectory of units sold says more people will be taking the princess to the rodeo this year in china's market. If you look at numbers instead of your feelings =] which is interesting bc Toyota is how you say "timeless" yet byd is upcoming 👌 You know this princess? She does or does not enjoy rodeos?
@myhome772 no good faith in discussion with you. China has changed to a restricted, possibly lottery system, but it has not stopped registration for ice. Always a chuckle =] we need a time machine for your cheap purchase cost bs, in China you argue fallacies for pricing. Outside of China maybe used purchase prices are still above ice, but is the purchase price the only thing you factor when you say cost? Probably.
@myhome772 well heck my guy! You got me agreeing with you on a topic that matters. Left field and out of no where but helping matters. Let me help you out of that crap yoda and into an ev =D
I think that Ford decided to go with towing and carrying capacity, thus the smaller battery. You can't have both with current day tech. Batteries are just heavy, constricting how the overall vehicle can be engineered. New engineering techniques and battery improvements need to happen before truck spec exceeds that of its diesel counterparts.
Comparing with the ford Raptor - The Raptor and the BYD has rear coils . From my experience you simply cant carry extra heavy loads like the leaf springs ... Can these coils be upgraded for a higher GVM . I know my Amarok can have a leaf spring upgrade to carry and extra 300kg .legally Its early days but 2.5 tonne towing is my only complaint about the Shark ... If my V6 rock has a GCM of approx 5.5T ..does anybody know the GCM of the Shark ?
@myhome772 yeh I guess that sensible reason ..Sharks will die if they are out of the water 😂😂😂 There is only one way to find out .. Come back here in 5 years and reavaluate 😊
@myhome772 I think its safe to say that technology advancements have and will continue to improve the battery safty factor .. yes older models have could on fire ..no different to Samsung phones , Ev scooters , and tradesman power tools .. Its ok for us to be concerned about the saftey of this new technology , but if we do not embrace it, we cannot improve it .. Give some credit my friend , it has improved 10 fold since it started .. 👍🏻
@@keithwillis3761 hey friend , My home runs on 30kw of LFP batteries . If they were AGM / Lead acid , they would exceed 500kg in weight .. Mine are nowhere near that weight .. LFP batteries are getting lighter as the technology improves . This is the next step in home and vehicles until something even better comes along . As you know , the price of fuel is out of our hands . Its price is determend by many unseen and unfortunate circumstances . Electric or hybrid vehicles get us one step closer to independence , when it comes to refueling our trucks . I for one , believe I can refuel my truck with my own solar array ... No more depence on what happens to the fossil fuel industries .. That has to be appealing , surely ?
I thought the shark would be my next ute; but that company has only two service centres listed for Victoria, both in Melbourne. When I contacted them to enquire if I could get it serviced in Bendigo I was answered by a bot with generic promotional information. They didn’t answer my question. Their warranty is poor and given the difficulty getting answers from them, I’ve changed my mind.
It seems like the diagrams you show of the Ford Ranger PHEV is that the electric motor sits between the engine and the transmission thus transmitting power to the front and rear AFTER going through the transmission and into a transfer case. The transfer case has two drive shafts, one to the front and one to the rear. This would indicate that the Ford does NOT have the ability to transmit power to the front via directly driving the front wheels as you stated.
The charge speed is "low" because the battery is small. That's why most dc fast charge times are similar weather is a 30kwh battery or the huge 1.4mwh battery in fmgs new electric dump trucks.
Weight may have demanded a smaller battery for the Ford? So uk for example requires 1 tonne load capacity but can't exceed 3.5 tonnes total weight so a big battery may have exceeded some countries limits!
I like this very muchly and don't really need towing, but if I did I find it confusing to understand the 2.5T vs 3.5T difference. It would be nice for someone to create a visual of this. For example show me two different caravans representing the max towing of each for example.
There is a difference between plug in and range extender. When battery runs out plug in will run in gas engine and feel a drop in power, range extender runs on battery all the time and gas engine only charges the battery so don’t feel any power change.
Maybe i missed it but i dont think payload is mentioned here The ranger phev is supposed to have closer to 1 tonne where as the BYD has 835kg. The byd is likely going to be the better electric car, especially in the city as they are difficultto service in rural areas. The ranger will be better for working, towing, offroading and touring, basically all the reasons why people actually buy these utes for in the first place.
But BYD shark would be easier to maintain and service. It doesn't have a drive shaft. Only have small generator. Less moving parts mean less maintainance.
Shark can only tow 2.5 tons because it has a small gasolin engin. For long distance towing, The battery is depleted, the gasolin engine has to supply the constant average horse power. The electric motors can take care of short burst of towing power, but not for a long distance.
@@joseluisortsagullo3008 just set to low battery cut off point to say 50% and the 1.5 will keep the battery topped up. It is adjustable to suit the driving you will be doing.
The biggest difference is the Ford drivetrain is directly connected to the engine via the transmission, whereas the BYD engine is nothing more than a generator to charge up the batteries. There is no traditional drivetrain. Thus the BYD has greater efficiency than traditional ICE engine to drivetrain power supply.
My only gripe with the BYD is the size. Theres no need for every ute to always be bigger than the last. In my case it just cost BYD a sale as it literally will not fit in my garage. Shame.
Thanks for this interesting comparison. I don't think either the BYD Shark or the Ford PHEV Ranger are going to be sold in the U.S. in 2024. A variant of the Ford may be coming to the U.S. in 2025. Toyota is also rumored to be bringing out a compact PHEV pickup, dubbed the Stout, but that appears to be a couple of years away, and is more competition with the Maverick.
The Ranger looks better than. It looks "original". Both Ford and BYD still have not release the plans to release them in Thailand. The winner (release the first one in Thailand) may be the Riddara!
In Mexico shark has a starting price for $53K equivalent for a midsize which is honestly a lot higher than I expected. I expected something in the $35K or at most mid $40K range (starting price of a Tacoma hybrid). Remember in Mexico a base Hilux starts at $20K equivalent while crew cab with diesel start at $30K or so BYD is twice as much Yet its towing and payload a lot less, no solid axle means it is never gonna be as off-road capable. It uses e-CVT rather than traditional torque converter automatic. Its 30kwh or so battery is stored not in the interior like the Wrangler 4XE or TNGA-F product but outside underneath the cab. So repairing and replacing on that battery will take longer and cost more money. Some of the biggest problem of the BYD DMO platform. This is not the game changer that some people hyped up to be
Please do your search before you spew nonsense out of your ass. Tell me if Toyota is using BYD solution, why is battery chemistry on the Prius Prime an NMC and not an LFP? As for Toyota PHEV, bigger RAV4 Prime SUV has been demonstrated to achieve 50MPG (and that is in mile-above sea-level in Colorado driving 80mph+). RAV4 Prime is a bigger taller vehicle than the Qin L or Seal yet gets equivalent MPG. Prius Prime when u really try to hypermile can get 100mpg. Go to Grab a Gear Gaming RUclips channel to learn more.
Ur just falling for shitty clickbait-tier propaganda masquerading as journalism farted out by electric viking. The original Chinese media outlet Caijing said that Toyota might use BYD technology for vehicles sold in Chinese market. The Best Car report you are referring to, did not say anything about next Corolla using BYD technology. The article was rather them predicting the horsepower and torque number of the next gen Corolla with its 1.5L engine. They also mentioned how Toyota's 2.5L engine have the highest 41% thermal efficiency in their portfolio while BYD's 1.5L have 46% thermal efficiency. Smaller turbo engine usually have higher thermal efficiency than naturallly aspirated engines. Thus, they were also mentioning how the new Toyota engine being a physically smaller engine must have higher thermal efficiency but the question was would it match or surpass 46% figure? Idiots like electric viking just took the two together, combined them and ran with it.
Yeah, i agree. And it's important to towing, lots of people buy a pick-up truck for that reason. It's not so important how fast from 0-100 km'h in a pick-up truck. And yes, i own a Ford. An old one,(2006) but keeps on driving. Everthing works(airco, electric windows, central lock).
Just had my 2 year old wildtrak x serviced and almost died at the cost, low mileage, no off-road work, garaged, still nearly 1K NZ. trading next year for a shark.
the fords battery may be smaller and I'm assuming it to be so only for the sole reason to keep the ball weight capacity up around 300 kg or 350 kg if that's what it is anyway and to keep it inline with its 3500 kg towing capacity am I correct ?what is the ball weight of the BYD shark ? as I cant seem to find it anywhere. if Ford phev as 350 kg ball weight and retains most of its payload when towing close to its maximum capacity it still will be a game changer in its own right as most plug in hybrids are significantly reduced in there ball weight to keep the payload capacity up when towing close to there maximum towing capacity .In my opinion both cars will succeed for there intended market and purpose .
sitting on top at the rear? shark has the battery in between the ladder frame, simply because there is no transmission shaft etc in the way. That seems quite safe to me.
Why do you think the BYD Shark has a lower towing capacity? I'm wondering if the additional power has anything to do with it - that towing 3.5 tons could damage drive train components if all the torque and horsepower were applied. A non-engineer like myself might think that more power would lead to a higher towing capacity.
Hybrid trucks will be the first to prove that hybrids 'toughness-and-towing' cannot compete with deisel, and the repair costs of these vehicles will teach some people about the TCO of these dual powertrains(...$)
The Ranger and soon also the amaroc just got an adaptation to cater for the hybrid system. Thats all but still an ICE Ute in essence. Byd has a well designed hybrid system but lacks Ute experience but anyway ford is still not serious to be rewarded.
The Ford hybrid actually will impact Rivian more than any other vehicle. Most trucks are not for 'heavy-duty', and more females are buying trucks in the US today for safety. Of course, Ford has that global reach, but how long that lasts when the Cybertruck moves into the global market ...with lower prices[
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my Question is...
Which one has a full Size Stock Spare Tyre? (BYD Shark or Ford PHEV)
in videos I've seen no spare for the Shark, even though I prefer their design & price to how much ever the Ford would be... that could be a game changer for some people, when making a purchase.
@5:33 going fwd in your animation I see a spare tyre for the Shark, i'll assume the Ford would always have, tks.
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BYD Shark hybrid for most people. Obviously the Ford if you’re in the US.
Millions of Americans simply do not have to right to buy a BYD Shark anyway
The Ranger has been neutered to keep a big power gap to the Raptor. I think the BYD will probably be the better vehicle although the positioning of tge battery looks to be a worry for those (few) into serious off roading ...
no
Shark is better.
A big difference not pointed out here is the BYD is electric only Propulsion. The ICE motor is a generator only for charging the battery and is capable of charging the battery continuously at maximum towing capacity. Where the Ranger power is the addition of the Electric motor and the ICE motor together, both motors driving the wheels independently. When the limited battery capacity is used there is no electric motor power and the Ranger is lower power front wheel drive only. The BYD is significantly better.
Nah it's more than that, as a BYD hybrid owner myself, I know for sure BYD's DMI/DMO systems are so much more than just a mere range extender. Its ICE engine can drive the wheels independently too, or drive em together with motors, or run as a battery charger, or drive wheels while charging. The control logic deciding when to start the engine is also very complicated, sometimes you'll see the vehicle going 90 mph but engine is dead silent, sometimes engine kicks in while you're stopping for traffic. But the overall efficiency is ridiculously amazing!
I’m not sure you are correct about the ford.
I’m pretty sure from the diagrams provided by ford that the PHEV ranger maintains the same mechanical setup as on the v6. It can do AWD electric, AWD combined and AWD ICE only.
Exactly my point... so it uses 8.9L/100Km for 700km out of its 800Km range. No better than any other 4cyl diesel Ute. Pass
WRONG. The BYD will engage the front wheels directly through a clutch mechanism at 70kph and above if the software/driver needs it.
@petermills1402 that's what I've been saying. So it will at that stage use 8.9L/100Km on the highway. I understand that a lot of the time it will be able to use electric power, but it's not fully self recharging and will still chew the fuel. It's more like a hybrid than an EV.
When it comes to hybids and electric BYD wins hands down. They are the og of this domain. Ford is just a new comer with very littke experience in production scale hybid and EVs.
Ford has a lot of hybrid experience by now, but you are correct that BYD has shot ahead of the pack.
Ford has been mass producing and selling the F150 Powerboost since 2021. A Hybrid.
Byd wins by miles..
If you’re in China
@@Emm2004
.....and in any place outside the US and Canada.
Tesla loses!
@myhome772Miles means way ahead 😂 English is not your first language right?
I am not an expert but have read so many times that you should never tow more than the towing vehicle weighs and it can be very dangerous if you do, so I would be more comfortable using the BYD for towing.
I’m going to guess that you don’t do a lot of towing
See many "STUPID" accidents when towing "Over Weight" cargo. Playing SAFE when towing HEAVY cargo has always be " Indoctrinated " into me. Losing Control in corners and emergency Braking always amazed me when it happens.
@@stefwellielol, dont know about him but I have been towing for decades and he is correct, it is simple physics. A heavier tow vehicle is not pushed around by the trailer in a bumper pull set up, when the tow vehicle is heavier . Prime movers are totally different because being a 5h wheel setup, 45/50 % of the trailer weight is on the rear axle group of the prime mover.
I'd say anything but cybertruck 6 months ago. But now I think BYD is my choice.
@@ehsan1979 until it rusts
BYD Shark, hands down, there is no dispute.
Hi, I would choose the BYD here in South Africa. And you didn't mention that the engine is just a generator and not connected to the drive train system, so its rpm is constant.
The engine is not only a generator but also connects to the front drivetrain in high speed when needed. This is where many people get wrong with the PHEV system of BYD. The DM-O, DM-I or DM-P system of BYD is much sophisticated than any other PHEV.
It's confusing but I think the PHEV system is different in the yangwang U8 where it is a pure generator but in regular BYD's it drives the wheels also in certain conditions. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
@myhome772 your toyota day job not paying much mate?
Nice to see Ford producing a hybrid in our home soil though. Perhaps our local manufacturing won't be totally doomed with the end of the ICE age
@@zhengzeng1515 Not really much more sophisticated. It's called series-parallel powertrain. It's even less sophisticated than parallel hybrid powertrain, because there is no need for a complicated gearbox.
In my humble opinion, BYD is the winner
no
Ty for ur comment
@myhome772ty for ur comment
The Shark makes sense. It's motor is a generator. This makes the ice engine run at an optimaln constant rate saving you gas. If the shark towed more it would smoke the Ranger
Mas é dito que o ICE também é usado para tracionar. Não é so gerador.
BYD Shark is 2024 tech, Ford Ranger PHV is 2014. No brainer. The towing range will be increased with such HP.
@myhome772can you please get stuffed.
wrr
bullshit
@myhome772 you’d have to be a complete moron to drive that unsafe old crap
BYD definitely
Full electric vs hybrid.... it's all about giving the consumer choice. I do foresee full electric as the way moving forward. ⚡
@myhome772 If the battery is low, BYD Shark switches to gasoline, and while you are driving using the gasoline engine, BYD Shark charges itself. No loss of time at all.
no, hybrid ftw
@myhome772 Hate to be looking for gas in a hurricane!
On the BYD shark, 2 l can get you 100 km. That is insane
I’m thinking the shark is better. I have a V6 ranger and was thinking of going across to the PHEV ranger but it’s so lacking over a shark
Some may have already eluded to this: there are 2 distinctly different design approaches to these vehicles, Ford have taken the conventional Ranger and jammed some EV bits into the middle of the powertrain, BYD have created a proper EV from the ground up (2 electric motors direct drive a pair of wheels each) with a decent battery that can top up from an on-board petrol-powered generator - think similar to an old diesel electric locomotive! No contest as for which system has superior performance and efficiency!
Exactly. Traditional PARALLEL Hybrid like the Ranger PHEV is different than the Shark which is a REEV. The difference is the Shark has ONLY electric motors powering the wheels with a smaller ICE motor acting only as a generator. Hybrids in general actually have more parts than an ICE compared to pure BEV.
If I need to tow 3500kg I would buy a F150, Ram or Silverado. Towing 3500kg with a 2500kg vehicle is simply stupid.
BYD towing is closer to a light CUV. Ranger is closer to a F150. Until these are compared by TFLtruck
Those full size trucks will never get past 26 MPG, even 20 MPG is a stretch.
@@AuralioCabal True! But if you want to tow 3500kg energy consumption should not be a priority over safety.
BYD if you’re listening, we need a full EV Ute with 3.5T towing, 6.5T GCM, and >500km range while towing. The caravan industry is massive and you’d immediately take over.
it will happen!
I choose BYD Shark Pick up truck…
@myhome772 i dont think so RAV4 Prime EV is the Beast infact the battery they use is from BYD…
Toyota's only Electric vehicle isn't selling very well in Australia. It's very pricey for what they offer in specs and tech. Warren Buffet has invested in BYD.
BYD shark👍
TFL truck tested the Shark recently and they liked
Here in the US we have gotten used to getting 2nd or 3rd tier quality and engineering and think it’s normal. The US bubble is about to burst and it’s not going to be happy times for a lot of companies here.
But the 100% tarrif will keep China made away. Not saying it's right or wrong.
The shark isn't a plug in hybrid but actually a range extended EV, huge difference between the two.
What about the Cannon Alpha from GWM? It is gong to be a plug in hybrid available from 2025, with bigger battery again and longer electric only range, with 3.5 tonne towing capacity.
I would consider the BYD Shark over the Ford Ranger for a number of reasons. 1. Price. It will be about 20 grand cheaper. 2. more power and torque. 3. More electric range. There are a few more but these are the most relevant to me. Downsides: 1. poor towing capacity (luckily my caravan is 2.4 tonne max, so just scrapes in). 2. payload is not very big but could be improved with a GVM upgrade. 3. the petrol motor is a bit small at 1.5 litres. Overall the Shark wins
I have been waiting so long for an off road ev, looking like this will be my best option. It is possibly easy to upgrade the battery and remove the petrol motor in the future. It has been built with full BEV in mind. Full BEV is planned, no idea when.
just trade it when the time comes, it will be cheaper and will have the new warranty.
@TerryHickey-xt4mf I get a one off chance to get into an ev, as never be another income, any trade would be down sizing and loss, but is a consideration.
Ford Ranges are garbage I put them on tow trucks every single day.
And hear nothing but complaints about continued problems that Ford can’t fix
@myhome772 i’ve been providing road service for the new car sector for 23 years and not only is the Ranger one of the worst unreliable cars on the road the dealerships failed to fix them, I go to so many people who are so angry that they bought one and wish I didn’t
You are such a liar.
Izuzu guys 😅
They work completely differently. Chalk and cheese
The upcoming GWM Cannon (or Tank 500) seems to be the sweet spot between these two, with 3 tonne towing and 100km EV range. Plus 3 diff locks for superior off road handling.
Also TFL’s review of the Shark’s suspension was that it was harsh. The GWM’s seems to be better.
Unless you want to tow a lot BYD Shark will surprise many.
Nice video with good info. However, since the ICE engine only provides electricity to the electric motors (with do direct connection to the drive wheels), it should not be mentioned as additional horsepower. The two electric motors are the only contributors to the horsepower of the Shark. (In contrast, the Ranger ICE engine is connected to the drivetrain along with the electric motor, so both can be combined to consider the total horsepower.)
you missed the GVM/GCM/payload (beyond towing capacity)
No Chinese of this type in UK except SAIC Maxus.
They look good and are quiet.
Some incredible offers on their vans.
My younger self, in 20's, lived in apartment & drive everywhere at a whim. This wouldve been my ideal wheels. Gas $ was the last thing on my mind. In fact, today, my phev fuel cost about the same per mile as my Y. ($.37/kwh Calif PG&E)
The upcoming GWM Cannon (or Tank 500) PHEV seems to be the sweet spot between these two, with 3 tonne towing and 100km EV range. Plus 3 diff locks for superior off road handling.
Also TFL’s review of the Shark’s suspension was that it was harsh. The GWM’s seems to be better.
Oh and the GWMs are a known quantity and based on owner reviews, have less issues than the Rangers.
Sounds Rangers are crappy{?). Even the GWMs have better quality{?) why Rangers got so popular? Owned a Hilux before, best quality!!!
Not many will be able to use the 3.5 t towing capacity. 10% ball weight, 350 kg on tow ball will leave not much in the gvm once you add driver, passengers and other load.
In Brazil we’ve seen 6kw max for the 3 x 10amp plugs in the tray.
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DC fast charging speed is all about the battery size and health. You can’t fast charge a tiny 11kWh battery at say 80kW without damaging it. The BYD has a larger battery so it can fast charge faster (40kW I think you said).
According to some other channels, because the Ford is made in SA it will attract a tarrif (currently none for Chinese vehicles) and therefore potentially higher price than what might otherwise be expected compared to other Ranger models.
why will it attract a tariff?
Ranger 👍
I'd love to be able to buy a series hybrid, AWE, fully independent suspension small pickup truck in the USA, but a possible future Ranger PHEV is a step in the right direction.
🇦🇺 we can only hope 3.5 tonne 🙏 is on the way before the R/H drive cyber truck arrives. Put my deposit down in 2019
I think BYD played it safe under-rating the Shark's towing capacity. Add the Shark's electric and combustion power figures and it becomes obvious. Also, the torque is more prevalent in the electric motors.
A head to head done by the likes of TFL truck would prove my point.
Sam, the amount of power (in KW) that a battery can handle both when charging and discharging is directly related to the size of the battery; this means that the smaller a battery is, the less power it can receive when charging (or deliver to the electric motors, though that is only an issue if the battery is pitifully small like that of the Ranger). As such, a PHEV with a small battery will always be much more limited in how much power it can receive than a BEV with a larger battery, assuming both use the same underlying battery tech.
To put it another way, with a powerful enough charger the battery size does not change how much time it takes to charge the battery. You can triple the battery size and, if your charger is powerful enough, it will still take the same time to charge.
Hey mate, are we going to see a phev with a tray, and not a tub?
Thats a good point. I'd also love to see a hybrid version that's a bit like a cut down tub, with a flat top above the wheels, and a trundle draw below. Basically a schmick tray that blends perfectly with the body.
LoL…Shark is 90%EV, Ford is 20%EV.
Ford does not get it. Byd
@myhome772 says your opinion, I love that you love Toyota =] trajectory of units sold says more people will be taking the princess to the rodeo this year in china's market. If you look at numbers instead of your feelings =] which is interesting bc Toyota is how you say "timeless" yet byd is upcoming 👌
You know this princess? She does or does not enjoy rodeos?
@myhome772 no good faith in discussion with you. China has changed to a restricted, possibly lottery system, but it has not stopped registration for ice.
Always a chuckle =] we need a time machine for your cheap purchase cost bs, in China you argue fallacies for pricing.
Outside of China maybe used purchase prices are still above ice, but is the purchase price the only thing you factor when you say cost? Probably.
@myhome772 move those goal post =] typhoon, hurricane, apocalypse?
@myhome772 well heck my guy! You got me agreeing with you on a topic that matters. Left field and out of no where but helping matters. Let me help you out of that crap yoda and into an ev =D
I hope Fang Cheng Bao will come with it’s alternative in this market, which when BYD will dominate!!!
Can you do any suspension upgrades on the BYD Shark to up the towing to 3T?
wait till the next upgrades.
The 2018 Mitubishi Outlander PHEV has the same size battery as the Ford Ranger. Good luck getting more than 30km of EV range.
I think that Ford decided to go with towing and carrying capacity, thus the smaller battery. You can't have both with current day tech. Batteries are just heavy, constricting how the overall vehicle can be engineered. New engineering techniques and battery improvements need to happen before truck spec exceeds that of its diesel counterparts.
Comparing with the ford Raptor -
The Raptor and the BYD has rear coils .
From my experience you simply cant carry extra heavy loads like the leaf springs ...
Can these coils be upgraded for a higher GVM .
I know my Amarok can have a leaf spring upgrade to carry and extra 300kg .legally
Its early days but 2.5 tonne towing is my only complaint about the Shark ...
If my V6 rock has a GCM of approx 5.5T ..does anybody know the GCM of the Shark ?
@myhome772 yeh I guess that sensible reason ..Sharks will die if they are out of the water 😂😂😂
There is only one way to find out ..
Come back here in 5 years and reavaluate 😊
@myhome772 I think its safe to say that technology advancements have and will continue to improve the battery safty factor .. yes older models have could on fire ..no different to Samsung phones , Ev scooters , and tradesman power tools ..
Its ok for us to be concerned about the saftey of this new technology , but if we do not embrace it, we cannot improve it ..
Give some credit my friend , it has improved 10 fold since it started .. 👍🏻
@@keithwillis3761 hey friend , My home runs on 30kw of LFP batteries .
If they were AGM / Lead acid , they would exceed 500kg in weight .. Mine are nowhere near that weight ..
LFP batteries are getting lighter as the technology improves .
This is the next step in home and vehicles until something even better comes along .
As you know , the price of fuel is out of our hands . Its price is determend by many unseen and unfortunate circumstances .
Electric or hybrid vehicles get us one step closer to independence , when it comes to refueling our trucks .
I for one , believe I can refuel my truck with my own solar array ... No more depence on what happens to the fossil fuel industries ..
That has to be appealing , surely ?
😅😅@myhome772
So, for me and so many others - what are either of vehicles like off-road, serious off-road?
I thought the shark would be my next ute; but that company has only two service centres listed for Victoria, both in Melbourne. When I contacted them to enquire if I could get it serviced in Bendigo I was answered by a bot with generic promotional information. They didn’t answer my question. Their warranty is poor and given the difficulty getting answers from them, I’ve changed my mind.
It seems like the diagrams you show of the Ford Ranger PHEV is that the electric motor sits between the engine and the transmission thus transmitting power to the front and rear AFTER going through the transmission and into a transfer case. The transfer case has two drive shafts, one to the front and one to the rear. This would indicate that the Ford does NOT have the ability to transmit power to the front via directly driving the front wheels as you stated.
No, the ford electric motor drives the standard transmission, so I expect it's rear wheel or 4wd like a standard ranger
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The charge speed is "low" because the battery is small. That's why most dc fast charge times are similar weather is a 30kwh battery or the huge 1.4mwh battery in fmgs new electric dump trucks.
Weight may have demanded a smaller battery for the Ford? So uk for example requires 1 tonne load capacity but can't exceed 3.5 tonnes total weight so a big battery may have exceeded some countries limits!
I like this very muchly and don't really need towing, but if I did I find it confusing to understand the 2.5T vs 3.5T difference. It would be nice for someone to create a visual of this. For example show me two different caravans representing the max towing of each for example.
There is a difference between plug in and range extender. When battery runs out plug in will run in gas engine and feel a drop in power, range extender runs on battery all the time and gas engine only charges the battery so don’t feel any power change.
The ice actually powers the wheels on the ranger I think while the shark uses only the electric motors
No pricing?
Ford is less
@@williampisano7573 wrong!
The shark looks much better. Our town car is a byd dolphin (fully ev) and it's excellent. The shark would be perfect longer trips and bush adventures.
Maybe i missed it but i dont think payload is mentioned here
The ranger phev is supposed to have closer to 1 tonne where as the BYD has 835kg.
The byd is likely going to be the better electric car, especially in the city as they are difficultto service in rural areas.
The ranger will be better for working, towing, offroading and touring, basically all the reasons why people actually buy these utes for in the first place.
But BYD shark would be easier to maintain and service. It doesn't have a drive shaft. Only have small generator. Less moving parts mean less maintainance.
not around here, they are cool city runarounds mostly, and are nice and shiny (like mine).
Depends on price real price here in australia not.just speculation
competitive!
Those two are good trucks , But i want Ugly, like a base Cybtrk !😂
Shark can only tow 2.5 tons because it has a small gasolin engin. For long distance towing, The battery is depleted, the gasolin engine has to supply the constant average horse power. The electric motors can take care of short burst of towing power, but not for a long distance.
This is the key....the little 1.5 engine can't mantain the battery in high demand situations
@@joseluisortsagullo3008 just set to low battery cut off point to say 50% and the 1.5 will keep the battery topped up. It is adjustable to suit the driving you will be doing.
I would be great to see a Shark flat deck for farming
Call it the giant squid or something 😄
no flat deck for a while.
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Shark all the way. I just like utes as a daily driver.
The biggest difference is the Ford drivetrain is directly connected to the engine via the transmission, whereas the BYD engine is nothing more than a generator to charge up the batteries. There is no traditional drivetrain. Thus the BYD has greater efficiency than traditional ICE engine to drivetrain power supply.
Is it tons of towing or pounds?
I choose byd , no contest.
My only gripe with the BYD is the size. Theres no need for every ute to always be bigger than the last. In my case it just cost BYD a sale as it literally will not fit in my garage. Shame.
Isnt the BYD Shark.over $50,000 USD while the Ford Maverick maxes at about $33000?
Thanks for this interesting comparison. I don't think either the BYD Shark or the Ford PHEV Ranger are going to be sold in the U.S. in 2024. A variant of the Ford may be coming to the U.S. in 2025. Toyota is also rumored to be bringing out a compact PHEV pickup, dubbed the Stout, but that appears to be a couple of years away, and is more competition with the Maverick.
The Ranger looks better than. It looks "original". Both Ford and BYD still have not release the plans to release them in Thailand. The winner (release the first one in Thailand) may be the Riddara!
Correct me if I am wrong. Byd DMi hybrid don't have transmission gear box rite?
BYD is superior in all ways save for towing. The independent suspensions make it inefficient in towing.
BYD is the Beast.
BYD Shark must be one of the ‘existential threat’ for Jim Farley.
you said it pretty well, we will end up carrying a dead weight on a ranger... 40km range is too short
In Mexico shark has a starting price for $53K equivalent for a midsize which is honestly a lot higher than I expected. I expected something in the $35K or at most mid $40K range (starting price of a Tacoma hybrid). Remember in Mexico a base Hilux starts at $20K equivalent while crew cab with diesel start at $30K or so BYD is twice as much
Yet its towing and payload a lot less, no solid axle means it is never gonna be as off-road capable. It uses e-CVT rather than traditional torque converter automatic. Its 30kwh or so battery is stored not in the interior like the Wrangler 4XE or TNGA-F product but outside underneath the cab. So repairing and replacing on that battery will take longer and cost more money. Some of the biggest problem of the BYD DMO platform.
This is not the game changer that some people hyped up to be
主要是你们那里算是进口，墨西哥的关税高。 这车在中国也就最多3万多美刀，将来比亚迪开了工厂估计价格就下来了。
@myhome772 Toyota abandoned it's Hybrid technology and chose BYD hybrid system already. So tell me who is better?
All Toyota PHEV are made in Japan
Please do your search before you spew nonsense out of your ass. Tell me if Toyota is using BYD solution, why is battery chemistry on the Prius Prime an NMC and not an LFP? As for Toyota PHEV, bigger RAV4 Prime SUV has been demonstrated to achieve 50MPG (and that is in mile-above sea-level in Colorado driving 80mph+). RAV4 Prime is a bigger taller vehicle than the Qin L or Seal yet gets equivalent MPG. Prius Prime when u really try to hypermile can get 100mpg. Go to Grab a Gear Gaming RUclips channel to learn more.
Ur just falling for shitty clickbait-tier propaganda masquerading as journalism farted out by electric viking.
The original Chinese media outlet Caijing said that Toyota might use BYD technology for vehicles sold in Chinese market.
The Best Car report you are referring to, did not say anything about next Corolla using BYD technology. The article was rather them predicting the horsepower and torque number of the next gen Corolla with its 1.5L engine. They also mentioned how Toyota's 2.5L engine have the highest 41% thermal efficiency in their portfolio while BYD's 1.5L have 46% thermal efficiency. Smaller turbo engine usually have higher thermal efficiency than naturallly aspirated engines. Thus, they were also mentioning how the new Toyota engine being a physically smaller engine must have higher thermal efficiency but the question was would it match or surpass 46% figure?
Idiots like electric viking just took the two together, combined them and ran with it.
Number 1 reason to buy the ranger is ford dealers everywhere and full warranty
Not having to deal with the byd service network which is questionable
Yeah, i agree. And it's important to towing, lots of people buy a pick-up truck for that reason. It's not so important how fast from 0-100 km'h in a pick-up truck.
And yes, i own a Ford. An old one,(2006) but keeps on driving. Everthing works(airco, electric windows, central lock).
Just had my 2 year old wildtrak x serviced and almost died at the cost, low mileage, no off-road work, garaged, still nearly 1K NZ. trading next year for a shark.
the fords battery may be smaller and I'm assuming it to be so only for the sole reason to keep the ball weight capacity up around 300 kg or 350 kg if that's what it is anyway and to keep it inline with its 3500 kg towing capacity am I correct ?what is the ball weight of the BYD shark ? as I cant seem to find it anywhere. if Ford phev as 350 kg ball weight and retains most of its payload when towing close to its maximum capacity it still will be a game changer in its own right as most plug in hybrids are significantly reduced in there ball weight to keep the payload capacity up when towing close to there maximum towing capacity .In my opinion both cars will succeed for there intended market and purpose .
Hope byd bring there hybrid to a van for camping
The Ford looks to be the more off road capable with the battery tucked up out of the way.
The Shark 6 seems more of a holiday car.
sitting on top at the rear? shark has the battery in between the ladder frame, simply because there is no transmission shaft etc in the way. That seems quite safe to me.
Why do you think the BYD Shark has a lower towing capacity? I'm wondering if the additional power has anything to do with it - that towing 3.5 tons could damage drive train components if all the torque and horsepower were applied. A non-engineer like myself might think that more power would lead to a higher towing capacity.
BYD does not have a traditional drivetrain.
Hybrid trucks will be the first to prove that hybrids 'toughness-and-towing' cannot compete with deisel, and the repair costs of these vehicles will teach some people about the TCO of these dual powertrains(...$)
The Ranger and soon also the amaroc just got an adaptation to cater for the hybrid system. Thats all but still an ICE Ute in essence. Byd has a well designed hybrid system but lacks Ute experience but anyway ford is still not serious to be rewarded.
I would much rather us a Chevy Silverado EV to tow. Best EV truck by a long margin.
How much for each one of standard type ?
BYD is what GM should build a Buick ev hybrid affordable truck off
The Ford hybrid actually will impact Rivian more than any other vehicle. Most trucks are not for 'heavy-duty', and more females are buying trucks in the US today for safety. Of course, Ford has that global reach, but how long that lasts when the Cybertruck moves into the global market ...with lower prices[
Full BEV BYD would be better!
it is coming.
Thx, for these informations!!
I've towed travel trailers for thousands of miles. I would NEVER tow 6 tons without it being a full size truck.
You had me at "more electric range". 45 km won't take me to the kid's school and back.
That should be a Ford Maverick plug in hybrid. Even if 2wd. thats 45 mpg and 50+ if you are gentle.
I would never buy a Ranger or Amarok so BYD my choice by a mile