His First EVer time DRIVING an ELECTRIC CAR - He was SHOCKED! Test drive at an American Dealership.
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- The MacMaster is in New York and his good Friend is thinking of trading in his Gas Guzzling SUV for a Jaguar All Electric Car EV. I try and talk him out of it by explaining the downfalls of Electric Cars one such as the EV Infrastructure, Residual Values, EV Fires, Higher Insurance and terrible range in Winter Weather.
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How would you sleep at night in a tall apartment block, knowing dozens of these incendiary devices were parked below ? 😉
No problem. We live in Northern Ireland.
My stepdad bought a Renault SUV EV 2024..he had it 3 days and it went into limp mode 3 times and he brought it to the were he bought it..After an hour they gave it back to him and said they couldn't find anything wrong with it..he drove it for a mile and it went into limp mode again..he rang them to tow it back and now he's getting a duster with an engine
My experience. Had a Vauxhall Insignia diesel which consistently would go into limp mode which was not ideal with the motorway driving I was doing, had to drive that for 4 years as it was a company car. Then I had a Skoda Octavia diesel that would randomly decide to slow me down when attempting legitimate overtakes. The Citroen (yes a French car) we have now has worked flawlessly, even in the freezing temps we've recently had.
Renault have suffered electrical problems for years & as more & more electrics have been added its just been more to go wrong. I owned a Renault cabriolet. Top of range car with every available extra. Sensors were always failing, randomly went into limp. It devoured 3 throttle body's in 3 years. When it wasn't breaking down it was a lovely car to drive. 2 litre engine had plenty of poke. But the constant electrical issues just became to much. A Renault EV??? Scary
Car hire company Hertz is offloading thousands of EV's from their fleet in the US because most customers don't want them.
In Sweden we had a huge snow blizzard recently on a normal type M1 highway (look up E22 snow blizzard). Some people had to stay in their cars for 24 hours as lorries blocked the road with tires not suitable for winter roads. Mostly the diesel and petrol cars coped running their engines, but not the electric cars that had to be towed away after a few hours.
How Dear you lol she is a MUPPET
Is Sweden an expensive place to live or visit?
@@robblack7560 Sweden is a bit cheaper than the UK. Norway is much more expensive. In northern Sweden you can buy a house for about 10 000 pounds. No need to learn swedish as everyone speaks english.
Thank you, we always admired Sweden but never visited. We live in Northern Ireland and met Swedish people Abroad, really nice folk.
@@robblack7560 Depending of what landscape you are interested in, Sweden has mountains above town of Sundsvall and mostly towards the border to Norway. There are no border controls, same as between North Ireland and Ireland. I have not visited Ireland, but here we say that Ireland is the green island. I could visit to fancy your Irish pubs with music. We do have the freedom to roam law, you can camp with a tent almost everywhere in the nature for free. Then you can hunt for fish, pluck berries for free.
Hi Lee.
I've just been watching a utuber called " petrol ped"
He's a bit like Geoff buys cars.
He did a test towing a caravan with an ev, the new BMW.
He drove 40 miles without the caravan, then the same journey towing.
The range was shocking!!⚡️
Basically more than half the power needed to tow.
Interesting watch.
If I tried to sell my products and didn’t have a clue on the specs, I’d actually fire myself. 🤷🏻♂️
Good job you didn’t ask what 2x2 was #5 🤣
Why do most people always seem to get a new car (immediately) at the end of a nominal lease period??- The 3-4 year old car is still perfect, why not just re-finance it (if they must - is it really the best financial choice??) for lower monthly payments and put more into one's 401k (or equivalent) - on an already depreciated perfectly functional vehicle....
Because some people want to be seen in a new car, or they feel the need to keep "upgrading" for the latest features. Same reason some people keep getting the latest phone.
I agree with you.
Hot news, EV charging companies going bankrupt. Look at Charge point shares, they have chargers all around the world, and just announced they are shutting down all their chargers in Australia. How long before the UK or all of Europe is going to be shutdown, and they are not the only EV charging company in trouble.
I'm not to sure if you read these but you should check out the video doing the rounds of an electric BMW pulling a caravan its a complete car crash on how bad they are. 👍👍👍
Why on Earth would you want to pull a caravan? Caravans are for playing darts with or converting into railway carriages.
Imagine Clarkson asking "but can it pull a caravan? 😂
Not the best of salesmen did not know about the car. Nice looking car.
You two sound just like siblings who have been feuding all their life, but with love and honesty! great video cheers!!
You can't be a swinger with a tesla. You wouldn't have keys to throw in a bowl.
Yes i've made this point before, although what we can do is chuck all our smartcards (which look the same) into a bowl and then the challenge is finding the owner of the car which matches the card. It's another level of "game" entirely. 🤣
Another blast and the Grey legend from Yorkshire. Always a hoot when you meet up.
Grey legend! Really Grey big head more like
'79 and some change...😮'
How about you give me a '79 XJ12 and you can keep the plug 🔌 😅
1:56 That app on the F-Pace has been a godsend in the current cold snap. Just start the engine 10 minutes before I want to leave, car is nice and warm and no need to scrape the ice of the windscreen :)
Looking forward to this mate MacMaster and the silver fox . Onwards
Interesting, personally I will stick with a combustion engine for as long as possible. The salesman needs to study his product knowledge ....
A salesman that makes it sound like he's literally making up the answers on the spot.
Well done. Thank you for a very entertaining, informative and balanced video. The only downside was that there was no mention of ‘onwards and upwards’ or ‘controversial’!
Just look up how many i Pace have burst into flames, six did it on a carrier on the M5 last year, and one recently in a garage in the US. It's a known fault with the battery control module, save his life, stop him.
"Six catch fire on a carrier". I assume you mean a transporter. Carriers are big boats carrying jet planes.
I used to work for various companies running transporters all over the country.
Six did not catch fire. One may have and it damaged five others. The transporter itself may have caught fire, it's not unknown.
Vehicles have always caught fire, I wish I had a pound for every time I've heard of a lorry fire or "vehicle fire" on the M5 and M42 in traffic reports over the last 50 years.
This is an example of facts being twisted to fool the gullible into believing EVs are more prone to fire, and even worse, deliberately implying six simultaneously ignited.
Are the Saudis paying you?
Salesman needs to be proficient in his sales techniques, guessing what the cars speed and ranges are is not selling the car
Was thinking the same. Spending the amount of money these cars are you expect a salesman that really knows the car inside out.
He was really bad at his job probably would just walk away, actually remove the just from that I'd leave
He was all over the place on his figures. Milage on an I pace is around 209 miles and yes I know US miles are smaller than UK ones but even taking that into account his figures where def not real world
@@davidcorbett62😂
I think it’s possible you’re getting USA and U.K. gallons confused with miles, a mile is a mile , they are identical measurements in both countries
@@mikeolly67Well you get statute miles and nautical miles.
Here in Canada all new car sales have to be ev after 2030. Canada is the second largest country in the world with a lot of empty spaces between towns. Very difficult to find charging stations and with the extreme cold the range of these vehicles are cut in half not to mention that the chargers themselves freeze over. Canadians are doomed 😢
hello Lee u should try a fast food place called Rasing canes there is quite a lot on broadway and good reviews on it give it a try!
All Smoke n Mirrors, we all love something New, until you start to have issues, lol
I drove my first electric car aged 10. Didnt go far but a shilling a ride was not bad and the candy floss 2as good. . 😊
The salesman didn't know his product very well. I've had my ipace for almost 5 years and it has 101000km on it. Only problem that wasn't software related was an air-conditioner sensor.
I agree it's a gorgeous car, second only to the Taycan, which wasn't available when I bought.
The travel range has been pretty consistent around 400km in summer and around 370km in winter and the degradation so far is about 7%. Australian temperatures where I live rarely drop below 12deg c. The charging infrastructure is terrible and has been since 2008 when I made my electric mx5. Although there have been more chargers available, they aren't keeping up with the number of evs, and the out of service chargers are forever a problem.
But, all this infrastructure isn't a big concern to me because we charge at home and when we go on a road trip, no big deal, I'm retired.
Yeah, he'll want to check insurance rates on that JLR has earned a bad fire reputation.
Once again,very enjoyable!
Just a few days ago I was reading people's post on Facebook that they have been waiting 5 hours in line to charge their car in Chicago when that snow storm came through. And these people were so Mad Upset and so many said they are trading it back in for a Real Car.
I do hope JLR dealers in America are an improvement on those in the UK. I'd be worried about getting hold of parts when necessary !
Great video with you and the silver fox and your face was just a picture 😂
Silver Fox brilliant intro ! Too right " Click bait headline " Watch it Martin he lived for 12 years in Hoboken .
Silver Fox steals the show ! And he's got a proper car 😁😁👍👍
Great fun. Enjoyed that. Loved it when Martin said "is it on?" Ha ha
I've just seen a. Interesting video by mguy on RUclips about wood burners being used to provide power for charging EVs and site machinery.
UK has one called Drax. Best part? The plans for carbon capture there, funded by energy customers of the UK because that's how criminally corrupt, wholly inept government rolls.
No need for private company to do is own investments, you just know that someone got a huge backhander to then approve the end customer picking up the £40 billion project. The most expensive energy project in the world.
Tell Martin as one Jag F Pace enthusiast to another if he gets rid of his P 400 he should get an SVR. I did and it’s lovely. Mind you if he’s buys an iPace it’ll keep his house nice and warm, til the fire brigade arrive anyway!!!!
I love my F Pace - best car I have ever had !
hi lee great review although the salesman was a little confused with the questions.
Lee's a better salesman than that Jag salesman the one in the ev seemed clueless.that song you sung was by furniture
EVs are ok if you have a home charging point , 300 miles range is good as most normal people wont go more than 50 miles a day unless they are commuting to London and back from Birmingham or even further up north , Hydrogen is much better in my opinion once they figure out how to make it cheaply
Hydrogen is dead and a terrible idea for cars en-masse unless they can solve 3 problems (which seem at this point intractable):
1. How to make enough to supply cars en-masse WITHOUT passing electricity through water - using electricity to make Hydrogen then using that hydrogen to power a fuel cell vehicle is only 40% as efficient as using that same electricity to charge a battery and power a car directly, a hydrogen ICE car is 25% less efficient again than a fuel cell.
2. An effective delivery system - a typical hydrogen station costs $2.5million USD per pump and can only service 40-50 fills before it needs to be refilled itself.
3. The cost of fuel cells - if you thought battery replacement was expensive Toyota want $100k to replace a fuel cell in a Mirai.
@@TB-up4xi That's what Fusion reactors are for 👍
Lee...as an aside, it says on the Web, the i-Pace will be discontinued in 2025. At normal charging rates it takes a staggering 12 hours to fully charge.
- at "normal charge rates" - ie 240V 30A (7.2kW split phase max) it takes a long time to charge any "properly sized" BEV.
@@kadmowYes but the iPace is woefully inefficient so needs 12 hours @240V to advice about 220 miles (or less on the cold).
A Model 3 with the same range specs has a 60kWh battery so is >30% faster to charge, 8 hours Vs 12.
Equally the same degree of economy,
The iPace max charging speed at rapid is also hampered.
Even if someone is driven by "quality" of a car that's actually NOT made by Jaguar but outsourced, and even if they shrug at the charge cost, they can't improve on the time taken.
Each to their own of course but being informed about a decision is key.
@Yorks2000 That's understandable and all depends on the intended use. I went Tesla not because it's attractive (don't call my baby ugly! 😉), nor because of other comparable points but my choice was in the tech and reliable and consistent cross EU charging experience for road trips.
If the main use is within range of the car from home charge, then indeed any EV will do and the attributes you mention will be of higher significance in decision making.
Out of interest, which Tesla did you try? It's commonly noted that the best combination for Model Y is the 19" wheels rather than the 21" and newer cars are also supposed to have a softer ride.
I'm used to a taughter ride but yes, some roads do feel crashy. My best car for those is a1976 classic car riding on 70 profile tyres. 🙂
Imagine buying a car and worrying about whether you could reach your destination.
Tell Martin in our local Jag dealer an iPace is £72 k. A one year old one with 6k miles is on their forecourt for £40k that means the owner got about £30k. That £7 a mile depreciation. My F Pace P400 was £59k basic traded it for an SVR after one year 6k miles for £51 k. Only lost £8k. Big difference
A thought. Charging an EV. via a remote charger accessed via a mobile phone app. What happens if you either cannot download the app or more to the fact you have no phone coverage at the charging point. No access. No charge..
Lee I'm glad you were in that car and not me I'm sorry if he was a friend of yours but the aging top knot chappy was an utter know very annoying he has obviously been in America too long ..poor you.
I can't wait for just your own content and or with Jeff buys cars😊
Simons are the new Karens or didn't you know!
You've shown the type of person you are...
Just looked up I-PACE range, UP TO 277 miles. Martin took you along because he values your opinion so highly.
Martin is the ideal future EVangelist isn't he. Can afford the nice upper segment brands, moseying around relatively short distances, always plugged in at home. Almost as if he's a niche owner fitting the mould tailored to them, who knew
EVs are just in their infancy though give it time standard will be 500miles and cheap new tech is always expensive
@@davidbutlin8271
"and cheap new tech is expensive"? You're just making shit up at this point aren't you 🤣
EVs have 117 years to catch up to liquid fuels being around and improved for that long. Gonna be a while
Lee the main thing that's missing in this video is the "join us, join us" sound clip every time a tesla appears!
& “the greater good”
So so enjoyed the wit and the mix of seriousness in this video. One of the best for a while. Well done funny guys.
I’ve a pair of Leeds Utd trainers I can’t go out of the house now after dark without getting the third degree of the wife , cheers Lee I’ve been found out 😂
This Yorkshire lad cracks me up with his yank twang
Good Evening Gentlemen. Right!!!!!! Martin please, i beg you Friend, Do Not buy an EV. It will be the Biggest mistake you have ever made in your Life. The price you will have paid, it Will so much Depreciation, it will become worthless. Please, watch all of Lee's video's of his Porsche Taycan. Hopefully they will convince you Not to buy an EV. Way over priced and the Infra Structure is Not there at all. Keep your Gorgeous F-Pace Jaguar. Thank you.
The EV infrastructure in the US stinks period! I live in Pa the fifth most populated state closest charger to me is 31miles away. EV's are not fit for purpose!
You two really need to get on stage. This is hilarious.
Lee in 2 years time the EV company's won't even be able to give away these EV cars for free lol
Did the sales person from Jaguar really know anything about the car? Not from what I heard. I hate it when they have to come with you on your test drive a vehicle and then don't know left from right. Man did your friend get you going, "LOVE IT", he knows how to pull your strings. I am lead to believe that EV's haven't taken off in New York and it's down to apartment living and little public charging. Nice Vlog.
Those highways look in as bad condition as the motorways in the UK.
Half the country is like that or worse even in places that see little or no snow.
The road tax is going somewhere and a lot of it is not being used for roads.
For some people the car is good enough. But the infrastructure, the safety risks of charging at home, the repair costs, the value when trading it. Nope, when you investigate it, the conclusion is no.
Thanks Lee and Martin, I had a great laugh at your banter 😂...it was a lot of fun. I was equally impressed with the Jags interior. At least the sales guy gave you a price, he hesitated a bit but he gave it up. He wasn't that clued up on the rest of the info re the car, if one is driving 100 miles a day in a metropolitan area then an ev is a great choice, especially if you're commuting to work and can top it up there whilst "working", then it makes perfect sense, if you're commuting longer distances and between towns and have to rely on whether the charging station is working..youd better go ice or hybrid
Sales person was rubbish probably couldn't sell a hamburger
Nice car. I too am a jag fan with my ftype. They are i believe not making the ipace after October. That would concern me.
My 800 bed hospital has 6 charging bays in the doctor's lot. 0 in the visitor and employee lots...4 or 5 hundred spots! I've not seen them anywhere else in town.
I'd check the price and availability
of a replacement battery just in case you bottom out on the BQE. Is it 20k Tesla or 45k hyundai/kia cost?
The top knot was twitching when you questioned Silver Foxs athleticism 😄😄👍👍
Best place for an EV is left on the Dealer Lot. The coal industry is probably hoping EV's take off because more retired Coal Power Plants would need to be turned back on to keep up with power demand. Heck here in the USA they can barely generate enough power without EV's. This is the time of year where EV's do not fair well even here in the Metro Atlanta area which is currently in a cold snap. I have to drive by the Tesla Chargers not far from me to see if the chargers are working or not.
Martins having a brain freeze, I’m amazed I he’s even considering a EV pull his plug out 🤪
So JLR products don’t catch fire, Get stolen in huge numbers or depreciate faster than my Laser Disc collection in the US then?
You and Martin are jokes together 🤣🤣🤣
How can your mate ever suffer from range anxiety when he does not even suffer hair cut and trainer anxiety
Great video. CHEERS from AUSTRALIA.
I just love it when someone who tries to sell something knows little or nothing about the product. "I would say. . ." "It's about. . ."
🇬🇧⚡️20,000 cheap tesla’s for sale, should drive the price down a bit. That hertz’s ⚡️🇬🇧.
I'm not a huge EV fan but the regen facility is a huge bonus. Think about it- normal braking is a huge waste of energy. USE THAT ENERGY !
Baking isn't about wasting energy, it's about stopping. Planning your driving further than to the end of the bonnet is basic driving 101. People who can't drive is the biggest energy waster
Nice car, shame about the power plant. I mean, come on, a Jaguar powered by an electric motor, & some torch batteries. Sacrilege!
What a top man Martin is lovely guy
As a fellow Yorkshireman he was that sense if humour i love it. Great guy but hes a leeds fan which is a big downside 😂
I had an I pace 3.5 years very beautiful car but not efficient at all 220 to 240 range.Now have a Tesla MY which is nothing like the IPace quality it is a very well designed EV.
But not as efficient as the Tesla MY the App is incredible and a range of around 320 in summer I find it to be a very engaging drive.I have very few faults with it the main one is not being able to find the door handles in the dark.😀
The Beach Boys would never right a song about a XKE EV.
The charging issues and upkeep costs will make you cry more than watching Leeds loose yet again Martin 😄
I noticed there was no mention of price for this i Pace. How much would a petrol version be? $10,000 or $15,000 cheaper. I also bet the salesman didn't mention the fact that Jaguar have enough stock piled i paces to last them 2 years or more. They are not selling.
Martin is paid by Elon Musk 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The question is, does he get more from Musk than Lee gets from BP?
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Totally clueless salesman.
He had no idea at all, embarrassing
Appalling
Probably not clueless. Probably just sh!t-scared his demo vehicle is going to end up against a lamppost.
What was the insurance for a Jag like that in NYC? It'd be interesting to know.
Jags have never had much style since Lyons shuffled off his mortal coil. The last proper ones were the SIII XJ6's, one of which I owned for eight lovely years, and it never gave any trouble. Nice video of this man being seduced by a toy car.
He’s nuts. He has a lovely Jag P400 F Pace. A brilliant car. I only got rid of mine because I needed a 5 litre V8 F Pace!!!!
I would be nervous about buying from asalesman who has no idea of the specs of a car, and not knowing how to take the brake thingy off, great job mcmaster was in the car.
the age of the car is coming to a close, just read your local council transprort plans,everything is aimed against personel transport,ev or ice....
Is that what you voted for?
The lot at Davos have determined that you,their serfs,need to be constrained, your freedom is over now!!
What a pain. Why would anyone want to inflict EV ownership on their lives? Isn't life challenging enough already?
Will SilverFox ever have a channel of his own?
I agree with you about Teslas. I call a Tesla the Voldemort of cars because of its front end.
Martin's medication needs updated regarding an EV. We drove through New York in reverse gear so the muggers thought we were leaving.
Lee.....I understand in the UK....evs dont work?....power costs etc -infrastructure.....but in New Zealand we are 100 percent renewable energy in South Island ....90 percent north Island....evening charge rates.....13.16cents NZD per KWH.....SO 7 PENCE?........VERY cheap to run....great infrastructure.....maybe just review for UK.....not a generalisation?
s 4 pound for full charge on a big battery ev
Same here in England. Night rates seem to be 7p to 10p depending on your supplier. It's if you can't charge from home ie you haven't got a drive it's very expensive for eternal chargers. Can be 70p per KW. More expensive than petrol. So I'd only recommend a EV to people with a home drive way.
@@issachunt3418 well said ....completly agree. so there is a place in this world for ev and petrol and diesel ....what annoys me about Lee....is its a constant whinge on evs....if he doesn't like them...great......have a petrol....we can all have what we like and be happy
I like Lee's friend. He's such a character. 😊
Most Americans (I'm one) don't drive long trips, average commute is about 30 miles. The country is so big, most people fly rather than drive 3 days straight to get to the opposite coast. Btw, he can lease a Cadillac Lyriq (full EV) for $479/mo, probably $500 less than the Jaguar I-Pace on monthly payments.
So why are there so many videos of people in the USA who have done 100,000+ miles in their Tesla's. Maybe in the cities some people don't drive much, but would you rather drive across the USA or risk flying on dodgy airlines in planes that have self-ejecting doors? Not to mention the absolute guttertrash you have to sit next to in the planes.
There are stories reported of troubles people were having with their EVs in the cold weather environments. Range reduction and increased charge times were consequences from the recent polar vortex that hit the US in the past week.
Private school was obviously a waste of money
Lol. 😂 yep. Sure was. Ended up running around with a phone on a stick. 😂 👍🏼 👍🏼
Just seen on X that your planning on meeting EVM, is this still on the cards? I think the collaboration will be good and love both your channels
.. I remember double tapping my dad's accelerator in the lakes once .. xjs 5.3 V12 ..,took a goldwing in second 😂😂😂
E-pedal on Nissan is great, like driving a dodgem!😊
EY UP mate were abouts in YORKSHIRE !!!!!! Is the silver fox from
love the trainers MARTIN M O T LOVE FROM SHIREVAGAS
Lee he makes your videos so much better snd you definitely do less B roles with him which is a bonus for us ,look forward to the next one together, cheers
Didn't a i-pace recently combust itself in a garage in America?
Lee the silver Fox is awesome x
The sneaky fox, probably his best wind up yet Lee 😂😂