Can You Do Good Work With Irons?
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- Опубликовано: 21 апр 2024
- Can You Do Good Work With Irons?
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How is it possible that people that frequent a self-defense preparedness channel and that may have to use deadly force someday have such sensitive feelings? I’ve only used irons on my carry pistols and love the gun Amish joke. Life is way too short to get upset over jokes.
Jack Wilson and Eli Dicken both dropped an active threat at range using irons. As the saying goes, it's the Indian, not the arrow.
And Dicken was stupidly carrying FMJ range ammo in his Glock…which is why he had to make so many hits to put the target down. Learn from his mistake! Carry good JHP in your EDC.
Dicken's sights were also damaged from a recent motorcycle accident.
@@90whatever It's very common to have to land multiple rounds in order to stop a threat, even with the best defensive ammo. Dicken landed 8 shots and it's easy to find footage of cops emptying entire magazines of Gold Dot or HST in order to stop a threat.
@@AppalachianDualSport …and if you choose to use FMJ range ammo for your defensive carry option you DEFINITELY will need to land multiple hits to stop the threat…they will zip right through a living backstop without causing much damage outside of the hole they will do through and through.
@@90whatever I know how they work. I’m just saying that you often need to make multiple hits no matter what kind of ammo you are using.
Still love the "Gun Amish" joke. Running protected fiber in front and black rear on my carry gun.
“Gun Amish” is a term of endearment 👊
I have a confession, I carry a 17 or a 34 with xs big dots and I am gun Amish. I know my holds out to 25 to be able to make “precision” shots. At closer distances threat focus is the way and using the backplate on a striker fired handgun is very doable with a presentation that has been done over and over again through dry practice. It’s all fundamentals just at a certain point it’s subconscious.
Bad Breath Distance: Point/Index Shooting
Self Defense Distance: Target Focus
Reach Out and Touch Distance: Front Sight Focus/Red Dot
@@papimaximus95 you don't 'focus on the dot, regardless of distance.
@@jessegpresley "you don't 'focus on the dot, regardless of distance."
I never said you do.
All my life was focus on iron sights to be the most accurate. In the last 2 years I've had added red dot to some of my carry. Red dot dose make me more accurate beyond 10 yards. If that day of carry I decide on iron site only choice. I still have confidence in iron sights, to fall back on all of my training. Thanks John for your video and all of the asp videos through the years.
Bad Breath Distance: Point/Index Shooting
Self Defense Distance: Target Focus
Reach Out and Touch Distance: Front Sight Focus/Red Dot
One of John's most endearing qualities is his goofball, tongue in cheek sense of humor!! I was a late adopter of the dot, and certainly acknowledge the advantage of the dot, but I also own iron sighted pistols as well, and am comfortable with them.
I think the fundamental lesson has always been to train with what you have to be proficient with it. As we know, not enough people train enough to be good enough with their gun, whether they have a dot or irons. I've been irons-only for a while, using XS Minimalist sights, with a bright orange square front and blacked out rear. In a class the other day, a student let me shoot their dot gun. No prior experience with dots before, beyond knowing about the basics, and I was immediately more accurate on the exercise than with my irons. Dots really are like cheating, it's almost immediately intuitive, at least for me. After shooting the gun, I exclaimed, "Fuck irons! I need to get me one of these." hahaha Actually I'm considering whether to sell some of my guns to fund a red dot for my Glock 19
Thank you for all the work you do John. Also you’re looking really healthy man, keep up whatever you’re doing
I'm gun Amish. I love using iron sights.
I’d say to once u get super used to a dot it will of course feel like horns are super outdated.
Last Saturday, at a club match, I won our carry pistol match using a box stock Glock17.4, including the stock plastic sights. (although I did put a dab of orange paint on the front sight dot) Granted most of the targets were close and fairly large. But I was by far the oldest shooter (67) with bad eyes. Irons are certainly relevant but dots are wonderful The MOST important thing is to focus on the target regardless of sighting system. I am used to blurry sights and that fact no longer concerns me. Blurry sights are a fact of life and that's okay. If I were after the tiniest groups possible, I'd always use a dot.
I love that you’re out competing and agree on target focus for targets closer than about 15 yards with irons!
I read the title and thought, gee I hope so because that’s all I use. 😊
Love how suddenly "iron sights will work, if you MUST"... as if we haven't been using iron sight since.... guns were invented!
Great video
Red dots are an amazing advantage. I was skeptical at first but after making the switch I was shocked at how much faster and more accurate I was, especially when we get past 15-20 yards.
My USPSA scores got a massive boost (I measure myself against myself, not the guys with $3,000 race guns).
I was out consistently shattering clay pigeons at 30 yards with my 3” barrel Shield Plus (with a dot). That’s difficult to do for me even with a full size iron sighted pistol.
Irons work fine for most “practical” shooting, but if you could eek out every possible advantage, why wouldn’t you?
Hey John, I’m curious do you have a video on what you should carry as a new person wanting to carry
The Gun Amish are already triggered before clicking!
Im glad you have been losing weight. You are setting a good example for all the “gun guys” who think being obese isnt going to impede their ability to defend themselves when in reality it absolutely does. Bravo sir.
I went to the Holosun 507c green dot on my three Glocks after Jack in Texas dropped the perp with the shotgun with a headshot. I was like I can make that shot but I have to get my glasses (readers) on to see my irons. Now I don’t have to worry about that. 😎😎
I took in all the info but I stuck around to the end hoping to hear one more lightsaber sound from that range.
Of course you can! Point it where you want to hit. I threw a pop can in the river and with a rifle peppered it up as it floated along shooting from the hip.
Yes u definitely can.
What if I can only shoot with one eye open?
Then shoot with only one eye open, the 'you must shoot with both eyes open' is not a hill I'll die on. I know of many shooters with vision issues that require them to close an eye and while some could do some work to change it but I am aware of one shooter that did over a year and a half of vision therapy to resolve their issue and I just don't know if the juice is woth the squeeze for everyone.
Triggers that stack suck; get a Kahr. A red-dot makes a gun about an inch taller, so when concealment is an issue, you might have to play off the choice between a two-finger grip and a dot versus a gun with a three-finger grip and iron sights.
Why does a dot affect how many fingers you use?
@@ASPextra If more than five inches of gun height causes printing (e.g. due to a skinny person's torso not being flat enough anywhere), then your choice might be between:
(1) a gun that is five inches tall (e.g. Glock 19 or Kahr TP9) and no red dot,
versus
(2) a gun four inches tall (e.g. a Glock 26 or Kahr PM9) with a red dot using up the final inch.
Not sure where you get that from, but I don't think that's true.
Guns are uncomfortable to carry as it is. Last thing I'm going to do is add more bulk with a glorified lint trap.
I bought my G19 and learned for about 1k on irons and then transitioned to a dot. A nice RMR that cost as much as the gun haha. I can close my eyes and draw and see a dot no problem. Any future guns will definitely be Holosun though. The RMR is stupid expensive.