Real spy mains will get a backstab and when they die, switch classes for one or two lives, then swap back to spy and so on. Really, reeally mess with the enemy team's heads.
It used to work much better since nobody checks the class compositions in the scoreboard, but now it permanently displays that info at the top of the screen so this tip's slightly less useful.
Tips for disguising as spy... 1. Do NOT panic when you get shot at, when you get randomly shot at, and you think its for no reason, act like nothing happened. Enemies cannot see if you took damage as a spy from their attacks, or even what your real health is, they might assume you are real. The only exceptions are a medics crossbow bolt, and a pyros flame. 2. Walk backwards to the enemy lines instead of walked forwards towards them, its so much less obvious. 3. Dont just act like the enemy team, act like the CLASS you are disguised as, a sniper on the front lines with an unusual hat with an smg out, not shooting, backtracking towards the enemy lines is obviously a spy. 4. Dont even think about moving your crosshair onto a player until you have a guarenteed backstab, and stay slightly away from them so they dont turn around suddenly and bump in to you. 5. Most players dont notice VERY SLIGHTLY bumping into a teamate, especially with how tf2's ground hitbox works with lag, and will sometimes make the player bump into the ground, it doesnt work all the time, but the only players that will notice this wont be gotten by a trickstab unless you are a very good spy, and dont need these tips. If they notice it doesnt matter what you do, you're as good as dead, if they dont, panic trying to kill them or look at them while running away, will get you noticed by other players and killed. Remaining calm as a spy is #1 priority above all else. Edit: Additional notes - what to do if theres a pyro spraying litterally everyone? Swap classes or get good at kunai trickstabs fast. Really only those two weapon exceptions? No i just felt lazy and didnt wanna write more, just use common sense for weapons that will show youre a spy, like weapons that reward kills such as bazaar bargain. WhY dO tHeY oNlY sHoOt Me!?!? Your actings bad lol, work on it. I left out voicelines and specific class acting because it was just that, very specific. Im not gonna write a paragraph on how you should look at the chokepoint as sniper or not hold your medigun and not heal as a disguised medic, if you cant figure that out yourself, you need more than a comment to help your gameplay.
Something else to note if you're specifically using the YER is to be more careful as to who you backstab and when. Always choose targets in places where the enemy team is less likely to see or suspect someone getting backstabbed, or go for one when nobody on the enemy team is looking at your target. Other than that, if you've got a prime opportunity to chainstab half of the enemy team, go for it, as it's no longer about keeping up a disguise at that point, it's just about providing support to YOUR team by wiping out a lot of enemy players so your team can achieve the objective more easily.
I prefer to go forward to enemy, but try to look panicked, Like francticly looking behind you, jumping or some other things, tho your disguise needs to have low health
That medic stabbed you, healed you right away, and ubered you. I have never seen someone who fits the definition of a word as much as this medic fits being "passive-aggressive"
Gotta appreciate how he didn't directly backstabbed the AFK when he had the occasion but backstabbed when he was just too much of a problem for his movements
not only that, an aware YER user knows that sometimes the corpse can hit the floor and make a sound which couldve alerted those 3 SNIPERS RIGHT OUTSIDE THE DOORWAY
Exactly. They’re plagues to TF2 imo since they’re opinions are unfortunately the ones who have the most popular takes (Random Crits are bad; Don’t kill friendlies; not getting headshots is cheap despite you still killing me; Phlog is OP!!) And unfortunately everyone thinks that way
@@Ayahuasca98 I think random crits are . . . let's just say it's not fun to get killed by heavy lasers, keep random crits on all melees (that don't grant crits/mini-crits) on some secondaries, and on no primaries (and maybe change the crit multiplier for scout that faster swing speed means more crit chances faster) I feel you shouldn't kill friendlies, but if they're directly hindering the "game state" tell them to use a meme loadout if you charge a body shot to take care of someone that you understanding you aren't going to hit the shot and you took the skillful decision of dropping the medic with a clean 150 body shot, that arguably took more skill then hitting a headshot and the Phlog . . . well it's the best worst weapon, the ability to get free fire damage from the scorch shot (the actual problem) combined with some maps being really choke heavy carries that weapon. If it's an open map, it's mediocre, if it's a tight map, it's a bit annoying if not slightly busted and uh, flame thrower crits in general are just annoying kritzkrieg, random, or earned through weapon perks, continuous fire crits are annoying, but at least heavy lasers have short breaks between each shot along with bullet spread, but flame thrower crits . . . oh boy, no gap of time, honestly can't even call it triple damage with how much damage it feels like it does in one second, flame thrower crits could chew through a heavy as if it were nothing.
How to make your disguises more effective, in addition to walking backwards, acting more like the specific class you're disguised as, holding out an appropriate weapon (such as a melee to pretend you're out of ammo which would help explain why you're retreating), not panicking when shot/damaged, etc. is to use *voicelines.* Plenty o' times I've seen players who didn't seem fooled or convinced until I hit a few key voicelines to sell my disguise. For example, a medic running backwards toward their team with a bonesaw out would seem like a retreating medic sure, but what really sells it is using the "incoming!" voiceline or "help!" to show you're distressed. Or you're disguised as a sniper behind the frontline? Hold out your melee and use "spy 'round here!" so they think you're not sniping because you're spychecking. You'd be surprised how much more effective your disguises are just with this one little detail.
@@alibouk227 I had that happen like 3 times today... another time I was standing on their teleporter so I could take it and then sap it, and then a spy came out of spawn and back stabbed me
Sometimes I tried to help my teammates disguised Spies by pretending to shoot them and missing every shot. In this way I make them believe that I am actually shooting one of their team. Btw thanks RUclips algorithms.
As much as I love the eternal reward I feel like it got the worst stats out of all the knives. Wish they remove the decloak debuff then I’d use it a lot more
I was thinking a good way to balance it would be to make it reduce life like the Big Earner or the Kunai Which will force you to be more careful and quiet when attacking
@@honguitoesporado4857 i'd give it big earner reduction, it'd force the player to be more careful, kunai levels of health reduction wouldn't work because the kunai was meant as a "kill or die" sort of weapon
It would be cool to add a button to walk at spy speed even when disguised. That way you could go for cool chainstabs even if your first kill was a heavy.
@@charlsondemong4922 While I agree, compared to the other knives whose debuffs either gets buffed over after a stab or only really matters while found out. YER affects your gameplay as a whole. Causing you to think thrice before every disguise. Which is why most players find it very hard to use. And most of the time it only fools a different player for less than a second after stabbing anyway if they are looking at you
" You're a good spy not by doing trickstabs but by legitimately tricking the enemy team with your acts and disguises alone. " - Mr Paladin or something idk, i never watched discover channel at 3AM
There's 3 types of spies when it comes to disguises: The new spy that thinks disguises fools everyone; The spy that just uses disguises to move closer to the enemy team, but knows they will see through the disguise; And then there's this guy. The guy that took acting classes and is still waiting for the Oscar because he can fool everyone and gets away with it (sometimes)
me: although having no main makes most classes and subclasses a lot slower to learn, i will KNOW what any class would do in that situation so it speeds up spy acting
Seeing this truly reminds me on how muc potential spy couldve got if he had more utilities that could aid in his core idea: Deception. Like literally, spy feels like a darn gimmick with unrealised potential around the corner
So much cool shit can be done. Maybe Spy can summon holograms that can *Follow him or *Lead when pointed towards a direction. Also maybe add like a secret control room area that's random in each game, Spy has to find these and hack into them to maybe disable respawning for a few seconds or expose the enemy teams exact location temporarily, or even get into vc. There was also a DNA gun concept which would have been so cool, you stab a heavy then turn into him and mow down the enemies
Its not so much that "diguising doesn't work anymore". Its more so that, in most cases, players are either : A) Paranoid as fuck, and will shoot anyone they find remotely suspicious (Sometimes its warranted, sometimes its clearly just random spychecking because they are just that paranoid). B) Experienced enough to notice the spy. The more experience a player has, the less likely they are to pass incognito. Spy mains are especially good at spychecking, and the whole experience thing? That's why Spy isn't really worth it in comp (Where he mostly does a job that isn't about backstabbing people, since communication kills spies. Its more about intel, and getting a rare pick, which Sniper can do just as well). Then there's the more rare moments which fall in two categories : C) Player is clueless, and so cannot distinguish a spy from a teammate. Usually that's the first time players, who will fairly quickly fall into category A out of simply being tired of getting stabbed. D) Player is focused on something else, and a course of event made the spy walking by actually believable. In my experience, I have found that the spies that do fool me on disguises are cases where the actual player passed by that area recently, and did not die. Thus I would expect the very same player to come back, so long as the spy isn't being extremely obvious. Other example is, enemy team actually attacking the spy, and the spy having a believable enough reaction to it, which again really depends if the enemy is focused on the enemy threat, or looking at the spy. Good example of this is the clip at 0:17, if the teammate soldier hadn't been here to shoot at you? Most likely result in instant death. Another example from my experience playing as a spy, for some players, seeing a spy backstab another player with the Eternal Reward is seemless. It clearly isn't to anyone who is paying attention. Lot of players also do not listen for a spy's backstab, or do not pay attention to the kill icons. Also needs to be reminded that, for every time the disguise worked, there are countless times no amount of acting could save you. Hence why disguises are mostly just here to make it slightly less obvious that you're a spy in a crowd of players, and not getting targetted by sentries, more than actually fooling most players who fall in both categories A and B. Besides, Spy is only effective if the enemy team is actually disorganised (Lack of teamwork and communication is where Spy thrives), and concentrated on something else. You'll have many more kills when both teams are fighting each other, than just trying to go for a stab near the enemy's spawn, just like uncloaking near players is easier in the middle of a firefight than on an empty server. And most players will also die in the process of getting a kill anyway.
It’s maybe a bit of a strange habit I’ve got but often if I see a friendly spy trying to blend in I’ll shoot at them to try make their disguise seem more legit
@@jamnchips I try to do that as well. Results are varying, and you run the off chance that the spy will just take crossfire, but I've seen it work out sometimes, when the spy isn't tripping on himself. But I still think relying solely on your disguise is a bad life plan. I find it much better to go around in a loop with the stock watch, uncloak behind enemy lines, get a couple stabs, then cloak away and loop around back to your team, or away depending on the area. So I tend to just favor a disguise that, while kinda obvious, just makes it easier to go around, I usually go with Scout, because its smaller (not every snipers know the head of the spy isn't at the scout disguise's head, but right above that), its slightly less obvious behind a wall, and you keep the 107hu speed. I do use other disguises when applicable, but if I'm just going in for a quick uncloak, stab and leave? Speed is better than being inconspicious usually, given the lack of communication. Its quite interesting how many people fall for the "I'm cloaking while walking left!" *changes direction to right*. Even in small areas, such as the front of the 3rd area's BLU spawn on pl_hoodoo, people still fall for that. The area is small enough that you shouldn't even be allowed to escape like this.
I would like to point out that Spy's role is not necessarily to go on huge killing sprees so much as to harrass the enemy and cause the paranoia that causes everyone to spy check. A big part of the purpose of spy is to sow chaos in the back line, so running in, getting a crucial pick, and dying is sometimes the correct play for destabilizing the enemy. Other times if you can survive long enough, you don't even have to get that many kills. Just stabbing one person and escaping, with the enemy team knowing you're still there bc you keep appearing and making a nuisance of yourself, can distract and disorganize them enough to win the match just because team fights happen while some enemies are chasing you far away from the action.
this reminds me of the time on uncletopia where i was disguised as a demo and i just started walking towards the cart. a medic noticed me and shot at me with the crusader's crossbow and i didn't react and just started pushing the cart with everyone else. he then took out his medigun and topped off my health, and after pushing the cart for a bit, I made it out alive with 2 kills on a demo and heavy on the cart, with like, 8 other people nearby.
I remember that BLU had an unusual solo heavy on upward once and the guy was stomping the server. Went spy cuz we were getting rolled anyway and decided to mess around, came across him while I was backpedalling, he shot and tracked me till I had like 7 health and gave up, most satisfying backstab of the week right there.
@@rafaelantoniozentenoguzman3909 a good medic would be paying attention to if they are hitting shots so they know if it's a spy or if they have been healed or not
Remember: Spy is a "support" class. And like support classes, they're usually orbiting around the map, performing their functions, while the rest are going at each other. Medic's the closest to the allied team, heals and buffs as much as he can. Sniper is the farthest from the enemy team, headshots priority targets in long range. Spy is the closest to the enemy team without being actively in combat, messing with them as long as they're occupied by the rest of his team. Many think of Spy as this unstoppable killing machine, rather than him being this wasp or glass cannon that strikes at certain times and I mean not all the time.
Thank god. A good spy player who doesnt over edit his videos with loud anime shit/memes every 4 seconds. Just a simple compliation of pure selling the disguise. Props to you my dude.
Yea like stary and swipez are great spies but their editing is honestly outdated, gives off a cringey 2016 vibe of videos I’d watch and find funny or cool when I was 12
@@EvilSantaTheTrue let's say you are a blue spy deguised as a gibus engineer. 1)sneak before the front lines 2)do a deep breath 3)now you are no longer on the blu team as a spy, you are now an engineer who wants to get to his metal to build something. Same goes for each class, you are a scout, just jump everywhere and try to go towards your time while facing an "enemy" Or maybe you are a soldier, try to get to high ground so you can shoot rockets to your "enemy", then you can do a drop stab Never get towards a "teammate" since they know you will stab them, just go with the flow and if someone is close to you look behind and go for it
1:15 I love this clip with the two medics, just from their reaction you can tell how much experience they have. The first medic (Eddie) Immediately calls out your bluff, because you were disguising as a Pyro that just came outta nowhere and isn't spy-checking or pushing. They instantly see this behavior as abnormal and begin attacking you. Whilst the second medic (Andrew) is blissfully unaware of this as they're probably less experienced as a medic, and begin healing you, not realizing that you are a spy. It's not until they Über you that they slowly begin to realize that this whole time you've been a spy, you can even see the exact moment they notice this, when they confusedly stare at you in a way that shows how they have no clue what is going on, at that exact point they realize that you were a spy and they just wasted their Über.
While playing spy I've noticed, your disguise kit only works on distracted and oblivious enemies. Being disguised will allow you to evade passing glances, as most don't look twice at team colors. Medics are actually one of your worst nightmares, because of the usual play style of stand behind and be vigilant, they are actually the most likely to notice you, and since they are faster, have devastating melee attacks and either a nice one shot or an ok spray and pray, a competent medic will kill you 9 times out of 10. Pyros of course also being one of your worst nightmares, with two words, aoe dot. Always be aware of corners and fire happy pyros Invis is usually your best bet, be unpredictable, as soon as you do something twice in a row, it won't work again Your revolver is stupid good, many will try and say "ambassador" but I would actually suggest stock until you learn how to aim. A full 6 clip revolver can kill all classes except heavy, and with near instant reload, it's nothing to scoff at. I've been more effective with a pistol than a knife, so don't be afraid of gun spying. Your not smart, your not clever, someone has done that trick before, and someone will be prepared for it. Know your enemy and remember, each trick has a shelf life.
I kind of think it's just to keep the enemy team second guessing. You've kind of gotta get in, and then get out, so a disguise buys you more time to do that.
The yer automatically makes the enemies medic beam attach to you from your victim so it can suprisingly fool medics for just a bit before they regain two brain cells and hunt you
its honestly sad that the coolest thing that spy does now is fooling people with disguises, simply because of the abundance of trickstab-happy spy mains. trickstabs are inherently cool and is perfect for the character of spy
"Disguises Don't Work Anymore" is a phrase commonly used by people who don't know how deception and acting works :) Respect to you for being so good at it. I can't for the life of me learn spy so it's cool to see someone like you doing it with well.
This was so good! I was actually thinking that someone should make a guide or something about how to actually decieve enemies. I refuse to think disguises are useless bro!
Just because you got the kill doesn’t mean the disguise was very effective. A lot of the time players rely on the other team never seeing you as you creep up from behind,but that’s not your disguise doing the work, it’s their unawareness. When the disguise does work it’s usually only for a moment because they were too distracted with a more pressing issue, not because they were actually fooled. At least, thar’s how I feel.
I like slow playing the spy like this because it feels more immersive to me. I’ll even go to certain spots that are more likely to have that class because it just fits in and it’s more or less expected for that class to be there.. until they realize I never really was on their side.
*half the clips are kills that the disguise wouldnt of mattered because they didnt see him to begin with, or were too new to understand the concept of red vs blu*
i've personally done this myself: when you're disguised as a class, have your disguise be switched to another weapon, then switch to others when enemy is looking at you. they'll just assume you're just another random guy walking around, and look away. it worked miraculously well yesterday for me and i was the top score by far and nobody suspected a thing! :D the whole purpose of disguises are to EMULATE the enemy, as that's what disguising means in the first place
I'm not very good at spy but one of my best moments is, while disguised as a sniper, a heavy from my team sees me and starts shooting me. So I acted as if I was running away from him and three different enemies showed up to "protect" me from the heavy before I backstabbed them all
One time I got ubered as spy and waited till the last .5 seconds to undisguise and sheudenfreudde so the medic could kill me but there's no way he would extend the uber
Funnily enough most people don’t actually pay enough attention to the sniper to notice he’s not scoped in. Just imagine you’re scoped in and it works surprisingly often.
@@Jontohil2 To be fair, most good or at least decent snipers don't scope in until they see a target, and really good ones just quickscope, so no scoping is alright for sniper ig.
I've always found it funny when your spy acting is so good that it even convinces your teammates to shoot at you, and in turn it helps convince the enemy lol
I love playing spy like this and its sad that not enough people do this. It's so satisfying to fool the entire enemy team into thinking you're one of them before killing them. It's literally what spy is all about and too many people think he's only cool for trickstabbing.
awesome video, iv never seen a spy montage that involved big brain acting instead of trickstabs. that style of spy works best with the YEW knife, trying to blend in by taking someone else's place makes spy such a powerful class if done right. thats why i dont use almost any other spy knife in the game. good job
I still have a fond memory of tricking an enemy medic into ubering me while disguised as a heavy, and I just ran around shouting pootis for the duration
"Disguises don't work" is not the right way to say it They do work but they are unreliable because 1. Most experienced players are used to most of the spies tricks 2. After getting backstabbed they become paranoid and will attack anyone even remotely suspicious 3. The Disguise kit has issues clipping with animations like the unusual you're wearing, or your weapon you got is not a shot gun. Someone else in the comments explained it better than me go check it out.
Still hope that someday, if Valve ever does another TF2 or updates the game a lot. They allow you to choose your health (though just roughly) when you choose a target to disguise as. It’s a lot more convincing to have someone with 50% health or less heading back towards their spawn/back lines then someone with full. Especially if there is still a fight happening behind them.
One thing that makes it work is, if you remember to focus your attention on areas that make sense for the disguise to focus on. I find that looking at the area where my team is, rather than looking at the enemy team, tends to get people to ignore you, since that adds up, if you're a demo you would take a corner wide while looking at that spot. If you're trying to look at the enemy at the same time, even a little, they might see right through it. Ask your self, "What reason would my disguise have to do this thing?" and if it's not an obvious enough of a reason, then maybe avoid doing that. You can get away with it if you turn around when you're at the front, since they might think "Oh he's making sure we're with him, so he doesn't push in alone." but just doing it when it doesn't make sense and/or for too long and it can get the enemy team to go "Why would he do that?" which can end in you getting spy checked. Sure, this does come with the problem of running into enemy players you can't see because you can't look at them, since that can ruin the disguise, but it could also save your life and get you kills you other wise wouldn't have gotten.
My utmost respect for spies who are capable of fooling the enemy team and succesfully tricking them into believing their disguise. They really embrace the art of spying. Might be an unpopular opinion but this is the kind of Spy that is fun to play against, compared to being facestabbed or getting played by hitboxes.
I find it fun to be more methodical, as a Spy would. Always fun when acting in your disguise works, and you go for engineers or medics. Not every enemy is going to randomly spy check, and that's thanks to your team pushing, distracting them.
This is why I like spy. I'm not a trick stabbing kinda guy. The most satisfying kills with spy are the ones where u genuinely fool the enemy into thinking your one of them.
the second one where you disguised as the pyro was golden, your soldier chased you but an enemy rocket hit you too to make it look like you got hit by your soldier's rocket to sell the disguise, moments like this are just satisfying
It's not that disguises don't work anymore, it's just much easier for skilled players to discern a disguised spy that isn't good at acting yet. Just employing a few simple tricks (like the ones in the top comment of this video) can make you so much less obvious. It's all about picking your disguises, staying calm, acting like you're actually the person you're disguised as and most importantly knowing your limits and when to pull out.
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Acting > trick stab
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No way
PELO JUEGA TF2!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!???
@@other2006. también tiene animaciones antiguas de tf2 en su canal
Real spy mains will get a backstab and when they die, switch classes for one or two lives, then swap back to spy and so on. Really, reeally mess with the enemy team's heads.
Why the fuck haven't I thought of this in 11 years..
@@drumboarder1 wait I thought most ppl did this
For why?
@@drumboarder1 It's the secret spy technique. You meet these real spy mains in almost every game but you don't even notice.
It used to work much better since nobody checks the class compositions in the scoreboard, but now it permanently displays that info at the top of the screen so this tip's slightly less useful.
Tips for disguising as spy...
1. Do NOT panic when you get shot at, when you get randomly shot at, and you think its for no reason, act like nothing happened. Enemies cannot see if you took damage as a spy from their attacks, or even what your real health is, they might assume you are real. The only exceptions are a medics crossbow bolt, and a pyros flame.
2. Walk backwards to the enemy lines instead of walked forwards towards them, its so much less obvious.
3. Dont just act like the enemy team, act like the CLASS you are disguised as, a sniper on the front lines with an unusual hat with an smg out, not shooting, backtracking towards the enemy lines is obviously a spy.
4. Dont even think about moving your crosshair onto a player until you have a guarenteed backstab, and stay slightly away from them so they dont turn around suddenly and bump in to you.
5. Most players dont notice VERY SLIGHTLY bumping into a teamate, especially with how tf2's ground hitbox works with lag, and will sometimes make the player bump into the ground, it doesnt work all the time, but the only players that will notice this wont be gotten by a trickstab unless you are a very good spy, and dont need these tips. If they notice it doesnt matter what you do, you're as good as dead, if they dont, panic trying to kill them or look at them while running away, will get you noticed by other players and killed. Remaining calm as a spy is #1 priority above all else.
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Additional notes - what to do if theres a pyro spraying litterally everyone? Swap classes or get good at kunai trickstabs fast.
Really only those two weapon exceptions? No i just felt lazy and didnt wanna write more, just use common sense for weapons that will show youre a spy, like weapons that reward kills such as bazaar bargain.
WhY dO tHeY oNlY sHoOt Me!?!? Your actings bad lol, work on it.
I left out voicelines and specific class acting because it was just that, very specific. Im not gonna write a paragraph on how you should look at the chokepoint as sniper or not hold your medigun and not heal as a disguised medic, if you cant figure that out yourself, you need more than a comment to help your gameplay.
Something else to note if you're specifically using the YER is to be more careful as to who you backstab and when. Always choose targets in places where the enemy team is less likely to see or suspect someone getting backstabbed, or go for one when nobody on the enemy team is looking at your target. Other than that, if you've got a prime opportunity to chainstab half of the enemy team, go for it, as it's no longer about keeping up a disguise at that point, it's just about providing support to YOUR team by wiping out a lot of enemy players so your team can achieve the objective more easily.
And demoman grenades
I prefer to go forward to enemy, but try to look panicked, Like francticly looking behind you, jumping or some other things, tho your disguise needs to have low health
Tbh I akways use these tricks but whenever I do just one frickin scout and pyro walks into me without me knowing and the whole enemy team kills me.
As a medic main, thank you for helping me strengthen my spyphobia
That medic stabbed you, healed you right away, and ubered you. I have never seen someone who fits the definition of a word as much as this medic fits being "passive-aggressive"
The first medic (Eddie) is the medic who stabbed the spy lmao
The other medic (Andrew) is the medic who heal and use his uber in the spy
@@zion1405 but Andrew also stabbed him???
Edit: of nvm you are right
Gotta appreciate how he didn't directly backstabbed the AFK when he had the occasion but backstabbed when he was just too much of a problem for his movements
*sees an AFK scout*
It's a surprise tool that will help us later.
not only that, an aware YER user knows that sometimes the corpse can hit the floor and make a sound which couldve alerted those 3 SNIPERS RIGHT OUTSIDE THE DOORWAY
people who say 'disguises dont work' are the same guys who put on a disguise and run at the choke point expecting to get through perfectly
Exactly. They’re plagues to TF2 imo since they’re opinions are unfortunately the ones who have the most popular takes
(Random Crits are bad; Don’t kill friendlies; not getting headshots is cheap despite you still killing me; Phlog is OP!!)
And unfortunately everyone thinks that way
@@Ayahuasca98 yeah lmfaoo
its super frustrating, people go with whats popular instead of what they think themselves
Also, if you call the enemies "spy" or just say "yes" or "thank you" when they call you one they will think you're a friendly.
@@Ayahuasca98
I think random crits are . . . let's just say it's not fun to get killed by heavy lasers, keep random crits on all melees (that don't grant crits/mini-crits) on some secondaries, and on no primaries (and maybe change the crit multiplier for scout that faster swing speed means more crit chances faster)
I feel you shouldn't kill friendlies, but if they're directly hindering the "game state" tell them to use a meme loadout
if you charge a body shot to take care of someone that you understanding you aren't going to hit the shot and you took the skillful decision of dropping the medic with a clean 150 body shot, that arguably took more skill then hitting a headshot
and the Phlog . . . well it's the best worst weapon, the ability to get free fire damage from the scorch shot (the actual problem) combined with some maps being really choke heavy carries that weapon. If it's an open map, it's mediocre, if it's a tight map, it's a bit annoying if not slightly busted
and uh, flame thrower crits in general are just annoying kritzkrieg, random, or earned through weapon perks, continuous fire crits are annoying, but at least heavy lasers have short breaks between each shot along with bullet spread, but flame thrower crits . . . oh boy, no gap of time, honestly can't even call it triple damage with how much damage it feels like it does in one second, flame thrower crits could chew through a heavy as if it were nothing.
@@thewindwakinghero7423 Reminds me of heavy + uber lmao
How to make your disguises more effective, in addition to walking backwards, acting more like the specific class you're disguised as, holding out an appropriate weapon (such as a melee to pretend you're out of ammo which would help explain why you're retreating), not panicking when shot/damaged, etc. is to use *voicelines.* Plenty o' times I've seen players who didn't seem fooled or convinced until I hit a few key voicelines to sell my disguise. For example, a medic running backwards toward their team with a bonesaw out would seem like a retreating medic sure, but what really sells it is using the "incoming!" voiceline or "help!" to show you're distressed. Or you're disguised as a sniper behind the frontline? Hold out your melee and use "spy 'round here!" so they think you're not sniping because you're spychecking. You'd be surprised how much more effective your disguises are just with this one little detail.
Oh sweet thanks!
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@@thesmilingplanet6108 Icryeverytime
The problem with walking backwards is well obviously you can see behind you, so if you bump someone. Well your fucked
@@cosmiclikesminecraft even worse if you walk into an enemy spy with a knife.
@@alibouk227 I had that happen like 3 times today... another time I was standing on their teleporter so I could take it and then sap it, and then a spy came out of spawn and back stabbed me
Sometimes I tried to help my teammates disguised Spies by pretending to shoot them and missing every shot. In this way I make them believe that I am actually shooting one of their team.
Btw thanks RUclips algorithms.
And seeing them getting a good ol backstab with your help feels so fcking rewarding.
I've also had teammates shoot at my direction and it has worked wonders.
Same just not with a flamethrower
@@j2daakob just act that your miss your flame.
Team work is so satisfying when it works
As much as I love the eternal reward I feel like it got the worst stats out of all the knives. Wish they remove the decloak debuff then I’d use it a lot more
I was thinking a good way to balance it would be to make it reduce life like the Big Earner or the Kunai
Which will force you to be more careful and quiet when attacking
@@honguitoesporado4857 i'd give it big earner reduction, it'd force the player to be more careful, kunai levels of health reduction wouldn't work because the kunai was meant as a "kill or die" sort of weapon
Imo, the decloak con actually balance the weapon. If it didn't exist, it basically ruins the whole purpose of Eternal Reward.
It would be cool to add a button to walk at spy speed even when disguised. That way you could go for cool chainstabs even if your first kill was a heavy.
@@charlsondemong4922 While I agree, compared to the other knives whose debuffs either gets buffed over after a stab or only really matters while found out. YER affects your gameplay as a whole. Causing you to think thrice before every disguise. Which is why most players find it very hard to use. And most of the time it only fools a different player for less than a second after stabbing anyway if they are looking at you
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" You're a good spy not by doing trickstabs but by legitimately tricking the enemy team with your acts and disguises alone. "
- Mr Paladin or something idk, i never watched discover channel at 3AM
There's 3 types of spies when it comes to disguises:
The new spy that thinks disguises fools everyone;
The spy that just uses disguises to move closer to the enemy team, but knows they will see through the disguise;
And then there's this guy. The guy that took acting classes and is still waiting for the Oscar because he can fool everyone and gets away with it (sometimes)
The problem is he won it in a completely different identity
And then there’s the spy who doesn’t know what they’re doing but is somehow getting away with it anyway because everyone is too distracted
You forgot about the ambassador gunspy, who doesnt even disguise at all
I am the guy who thinks it fools them, yea I am still learning to be a spy, hes my main.
me: although having no main makes most classes and subclasses a lot slower to learn, i will KNOW what any class would do in that situation so it speeds up spy acting
Seeing this truly reminds me on how muc potential spy couldve got if he had more utilities that could aid in his core idea: Deception. Like literally, spy feels like a darn gimmick with unrealised potential around the corner
The entire point of the game is classes are gimmicks.
@@punksai7307 and when every class is a gimmick... no class will be...
@@punksai7307 you are so wrong its not even funny
So much cool shit can be done. Maybe Spy can summon holograms that can
*Follow him
or
*Lead when pointed towards a direction. Also maybe add like a secret control room area that's random in each game, Spy has to find these and hack into them to maybe disable respawning for a few seconds or expose the enemy teams exact location temporarily, or even get into vc. There was also a DNA gun concept which would have been so cool, you stab a heavy then turn into him and mow down the enemies
@@Breakaway-ic5gj disabling respawning would be stupid and annoying
Oh yeah getting ubered by an enemy medic as a spy in an awesome feeling
left click-taunt-lenny bind-get headshot
The Sniper Rules also apply here: Be Polite, Be Efficient, and have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
"Spy's disguses don't fool good players, but when they do..oof.." - LazyPurple, 2017.
(eeeexcept that they do.)
Its not so much that "diguising doesn't work anymore". Its more so that, in most cases, players are either :
A) Paranoid as fuck, and will shoot anyone they find remotely suspicious (Sometimes its warranted, sometimes its clearly just random spychecking because they are just that paranoid).
B) Experienced enough to notice the spy. The more experience a player has, the less likely they are to pass incognito. Spy mains are especially good at spychecking, and the whole experience thing? That's why Spy isn't really worth it in comp (Where he mostly does a job that isn't about backstabbing people, since communication kills spies. Its more about intel, and getting a rare pick, which Sniper can do just as well).
Then there's the more rare moments which fall in two categories :
C) Player is clueless, and so cannot distinguish a spy from a teammate. Usually that's the first time players, who will fairly quickly fall into category A out of simply being tired of getting stabbed.
D) Player is focused on something else, and a course of event made the spy walking by actually believable. In my experience, I have found that the spies that do fool me on disguises are cases where the actual player passed by that area recently, and did not die. Thus I would expect the very same player to come back, so long as the spy isn't being extremely obvious. Other example is, enemy team actually attacking the spy, and the spy having a believable enough reaction to it, which again really depends if the enemy is focused on the enemy threat, or looking at the spy. Good example of this is the clip at 0:17, if the teammate soldier hadn't been here to shoot at you? Most likely result in instant death.
Another example from my experience playing as a spy, for some players, seeing a spy backstab another player with the Eternal Reward is seemless. It clearly isn't to anyone who is paying attention. Lot of players also do not listen for a spy's backstab, or do not pay attention to the kill icons.
Also needs to be reminded that, for every time the disguise worked, there are countless times no amount of acting could save you. Hence why disguises are mostly just here to make it slightly less obvious that you're a spy in a crowd of players, and not getting targetted by sentries, more than actually fooling most players who fall in both categories A and B. Besides, Spy is only effective if the enemy team is actually disorganised (Lack of teamwork and communication is where Spy thrives), and concentrated on something else. You'll have many more kills when both teams are fighting each other, than just trying to go for a stab near the enemy's spawn, just like uncloaking near players is easier in the middle of a firefight than on an empty server. And most players will also die in the process of getting a kill anyway.
It’s maybe a bit of a strange habit I’ve got but often if I see a friendly spy trying to blend in I’ll shoot at them to try make their disguise seem more legit
@@jamnchips I try to do that as well. Results are varying, and you run the off chance that the spy will just take crossfire, but I've seen it work out sometimes, when the spy isn't tripping on himself.
But I still think relying solely on your disguise is a bad life plan. I find it much better to go around in a loop with the stock watch, uncloak behind enemy lines, get a couple stabs, then cloak away and loop around back to your team, or away depending on the area. So I tend to just favor a disguise that, while kinda obvious, just makes it easier to go around, I usually go with Scout, because its smaller (not every snipers know the head of the spy isn't at the scout disguise's head, but right above that), its slightly less obvious behind a wall, and you keep the 107hu speed.
I do use other disguises when applicable, but if I'm just going in for a quick uncloak, stab and leave? Speed is better than being inconspicious usually, given the lack of communication.
Its quite interesting how many people fall for the "I'm cloaking while walking left!" *changes direction to right*. Even in small areas, such as the front of the 3rd area's BLU spawn on pl_hoodoo, people still fall for that. The area is small enough that you shouldn't even be allowed to escape like this.
Also Disguise kits sometimes glitching and being unreliable.
I commend you for writing such a long comment lmao
I would like to point out that Spy's role is not necessarily to go on huge killing sprees so much as to harrass the enemy and cause the paranoia that causes everyone to spy check. A big part of the purpose of spy is to sow chaos in the back line, so running in, getting a crucial pick, and dying is sometimes the correct play for destabilizing the enemy.
Other times if you can survive long enough, you don't even have to get that many kills. Just stabbing one person and escaping, with the enemy team knowing you're still there bc you keep appearing and making a nuisance of yourself, can distract and disorganize them enough to win the match just because team fights happen while some enemies are chasing you far away from the action.
2:40 - lol, meet the spy moment
Hahaha, really.
underrated, its actually meeting all the specifics.
Your Eternal Reward has got to be my favorite weapon, when it works
The keyword being 'when' here
This statement applies to Spy as a whole
It doesn't really its better to use the Stock Knife or Conniver's Kunai
Not just the knife but when spy works
This is the true spy gameplay, no cringe trickstab shit, just pure sneaky, mind games, and macro knowledge
No cringe trickstabs, just pure facestabs
Macro?
“Facestabs” are client side
"Cringe trickstabs"
looks like we found the pyro main
@Cataclysmic I'm a medic main. I also don't care what tactics people use. Seethe.
this reminds me of the time on uncletopia where i was disguised as a demo and i just started walking towards the cart. a medic noticed me and shot at me with the crusader's crossbow and i didn't react and just started pushing the cart with everyone else. he then took out his medigun and topped off my health, and after pushing the cart for a bit, I made it out alive with 2 kills on a demo and heavy on the cart, with like, 8 other people nearby.
The power of being calm
I remember that BLU had an unusual solo heavy on upward once and the guy was stomping the server. Went spy cuz we were getting rolled anyway and decided to mess around, came across him while I was backpedalling, he shot and tracked me till I had like 7 health and gave up, most satisfying backstab of the week right there.
if the medic was good they would have noticed you didn't get healed by the bolt and killed you while calling you out
@@baglespelledwrong8159 or they think that the shot missed
@@rafaelantoniozentenoguzman3909 a good medic would be paying attention to if they are hitting shots so they know if it's a spy or if they have been healed or not
Remember: Spy is a "support" class.
And like support classes, they're usually orbiting around the map, performing their functions, while the rest are going at each other.
Medic's the closest to the allied team, heals and buffs as much as he can.
Sniper is the farthest from the enemy team, headshots priority targets in long range.
Spy is the closest to the enemy team without being actively in combat, messing with them as long as they're occupied by the rest of his team.
Many think of Spy as this unstoppable killing machine, rather than him being this wasp or glass cannon that strikes at certain times and I mean not all the time.
Thank god. A good spy player who doesnt over edit his videos with loud anime shit/memes every 4 seconds. Just a simple compliation of pure selling the disguise. Props to you my dude.
Yea like stary and swipez are great spies but their editing is honestly outdated, gives off a cringey 2016 vibe of videos I’d watch and find funny or cool when I was 12
I generally trick by not trying to act but actually try and "attack" my own teammates as my own deguise
How do you do that?
Yea how do u do that
@@EvilSantaTheTrue let's say you are a blue spy deguised as a gibus engineer.
1)sneak before the front lines
2)do a deep breath
3)now you are no longer on the blu team as a spy, you are now an engineer who wants to get to his metal to build something.
Same goes for each class, you are a scout, just jump everywhere and try to go towards your time while facing an "enemy"
Or maybe you are a soldier, try to get to high ground so you can shoot rockets to your "enemy", then you can do a drop stab
Never get towards a "teammate" since they know you will stab them, just go with the flow and if someone is close to you look behind and go for it
@@EvilSantaTheTrue there is a gun that won't lose your disguise when shooting it forever
I feel like most players who say that disguises don't work are the ones who disguise as Scout and run straight towards the enemy
In these clips they either never see you or start attacking you instantly
1:15 I love this clip with the two medics, just from their reaction you can tell how much experience they have.
The first medic (Eddie) Immediately calls out your bluff, because you were disguising as a Pyro that just came outta nowhere and isn't spy-checking or pushing. They instantly see this behavior as abnormal and begin attacking you.
Whilst the second medic (Andrew) is blissfully unaware of this as they're probably less experienced as a medic, and begin healing you, not realizing that you are a spy. It's not until they Über you that they slowly begin to realize that this whole time you've been a spy, you can even see the exact moment they notice this, when they confusedly stare at you in a way that shows how they have no clue what is going on, at that exact point they realize that you were a spy and they just wasted their Über.
While playing spy I've noticed, your disguise kit only works on distracted and oblivious enemies.
Being disguised will allow you to evade passing glances, as most don't look twice at team colors.
Medics are actually one of your worst nightmares, because of the usual play style of stand behind and be vigilant, they are actually the most likely to notice you, and since they are faster, have devastating melee attacks and either a nice one shot or an ok spray and pray, a competent medic will kill you 9 times out of 10.
Pyros of course also being one of your worst nightmares, with two words, aoe dot. Always be aware of corners and fire happy pyros
Invis is usually your best bet, be unpredictable, as soon as you do something twice in a row, it won't work again
Your revolver is stupid good, many will try and say "ambassador" but I would actually suggest stock until you learn how to aim. A full 6 clip revolver can kill all classes except heavy, and with near instant reload, it's nothing to scoff at. I've been more effective with a pistol than a knife, so don't be afraid of gun spying.
Your not smart, your not clever, someone has done that trick before, and someone will be prepared for it. Know your enemy and remember, each trick has a shelf life.
I love how, when you are disguised as enemy spy, you act out what a spy would do in a very over the top fashion
I kind of think it's just to keep the enemy team second guessing. You've kind of gotta get in, and then get out, so a disguise buys you more time to do that.
Cloak before disguise, then slip into the enemy lines unnoticed.
"Pro Spys Still Can't Lose Anymore"
1:23 top 10 anime betrayals
I'm never really was on your side...
3:56 I love how long it took that medic to realize he had killed the heavy
The yer automatically makes the enemies medic beam attach to you from your victim so it can suprisingly fool medics for just a bit before they regain two brain cells and hunt you
its honestly sad that the coolest thing that spy does now is fooling people with disguises, simply because of the abundance of trickstab-happy spy mains. trickstabs are inherently cool and is perfect for the character of spy
"Disguises Don't Work Anymore" is a phrase commonly used by people who don't know how deception and acting works :)
Respect to you for being so good at it. I can't for the life of me learn spy so it's cool to see someone like you doing it with well.
Man I miss this game, was a main spy myself. This brings back memories!
This was so good! I was actually thinking that someone should make a guide or something about how to actually decieve enemies. I refuse to think disguises are useless bro!
Just because you got the kill doesn’t mean the disguise was very effective. A lot of the time players rely on the other team never seeing you as you creep up from behind,but that’s not your disguise doing the work, it’s their unawareness. When the disguise does work it’s usually only for a moment because they were too distracted with a more pressing issue, not because they were actually fooled. At least, thar’s how I feel.
Spy montages are so satisfying to watch, that sweet critical hit noise on the backstab
It's not necessarily that disguises work it's more like every team in this video has a collective IQ of 7
pro gamer tips from a spy main:
dress up as sniper
act like you are sniping
backstab entire team
if it doesnt work must be a skill issue
Alternative answer for it not working: must be a cheater obviously
against reasonably competent and experienced players disguises don't work*
people who say "Disguises Don't Work anymore" are the same guys who put on a scout disguise and expect to fool anyone
I like slow playing the spy like this because it feels more immersive to me. I’ll even go to certain spots that are more likely to have that class because it just fits in and it’s more or less expected for that class to be there.. until they realize I never really was on their side.
I would like to have this type of games when the enemy is super oblivius sadly I play with paranoic people who makes spycheck every 0,5 seconds
Subbed for being the only Main Spy i've met without overly editted anime bullshit on videos and relaxing music.
*half the clips are kills that the disguise wouldnt of mattered because they didnt see him to begin with, or were too new to understand the concept of red vs blu*
Disguises do work, people just act so spylike when disguised, and they don't even notice...
i've personally done this myself:
when you're disguised as a class, have your disguise be switched to another weapon, then switch to others when enemy is looking at you. they'll just assume you're just another random guy walking around, and look away. it worked miraculously well yesterday for me and i was the top score by far and nobody suspected a thing! :D
the whole purpose of disguises are to EMULATE the enemy, as that's what disguising means in the first place
I hardly ever disguise tbh. Being invisible is where it’s at
seeing good footage with the YER nowadays is so rare i love to see it
My favoite thing to do as spy is act like a sniper in the entrances to 2Frort. They literally point their backs towards me.
So, just act like the person you disguised as, noted.
Except for some reason this never work for me xD
I'm not very good at spy but one of my best moments is, while disguised as a sniper, a heavy from my team sees me and starts shooting me. So I acted as if I was running away from him and three different enemies showed up to "protect" me from the heavy before I backstabbed them all
One time I got ubered as spy and waited till the last .5 seconds to undisguise and sheudenfreudde so the medic could kill me but there's no way he would extend the uber
1:20
Rip That poor medic
Holy moly. I hade a hard time figurin out wich team you really were on, and I am watching from your perspective. Well done!
If only spy could do animations like heavy rev up or sniper aiming down sight, that would be great
Funnily enough most people don’t actually pay enough attention to the sniper to notice he’s not scoped in. Just imagine you’re scoped in and it works surprisingly often.
@@Jontohil2spy dude!!!
@@Jontohil2 To be fair, most good or at least decent snipers don't scope in until they see a target, and really good ones just quickscope, so no scoping is alright for sniper ig.
I've always found it funny when your spy acting is so good that it even convinces your teammates to shoot at you, and in turn it helps convince the enemy lol
I love playing spy like this and its sad that not enough people do this. It's so satisfying to fool the entire enemy team into thinking you're one of them before killing them. It's literally what spy is all about and too many people think he's only cool for trickstabbing.
i love how when he gets shot he makes his disguise switch weapons because a lot of people dont use that feature so it makes u look legit
awesome video, iv never seen a spy montage that involved big brain acting instead of trickstabs. that style of spy works best with the YEW knife, trying to blend in by taking someone else's place makes spy such a powerful class if done right. thats why i dont use almost any other spy knife in the game. good job
this was such a juicy comp, i can never react as calmly as this when i play Spy. you use him perfectly lol
I still have a fond memory of tricking an enemy medic into ubering me while disguised as a heavy, and I just ran around shouting pootis for the duration
but when i do it i get instakilled by a soldier that i didn't even know was there.
Try some other knife than kunai and you won't get instakilled with a single normal direct rocket
"Disguises don't work" is not the right way to say it
They do work but they are unreliable because
1. Most experienced players are used to most of the spies tricks
2. After getting backstabbed they become paranoid and will attack anyone even remotely suspicious
3. The Disguise kit has issues clipping with animations like the unusual you're wearing, or your weapon you got is not a shot gun.
Someone else in the comments explained it better than me go check it out.
4:05 there ain’t no way you fooled everyone with that heavy stab
You can supeisingly get away with a lot by not panicking when the enemy teams spychecks you but still a miracle he didnt die
Still hope that someday, if Valve ever does another TF2 or updates the game a lot.
They allow you to choose your health (though just roughly) when you choose a target to disguise as.
It’s a lot more convincing to have someone with 50% health or less heading back towards their spawn/back lines then someone with full.
Especially if there is still a fight happening behind them.
The right way to play spy, good job lad!
Sometimes the best part of Spy is making the enemy unaware of your very existence.
This is very nice to watch. Never played a lot of spy, but this is what everyone invisions it to be like.
One thing that makes it work is, if you remember to focus your attention on areas that make sense for the disguise to focus on. I find that looking at the area where my team is, rather than looking at the enemy team, tends to get people to ignore you, since that adds up, if you're a demo you would take a corner wide while looking at that spot. If you're trying to look at the enemy at the same time, even a little, they might see right through it. Ask your self, "What reason would my disguise have to do this thing?" and if it's not an obvious enough of a reason, then maybe avoid doing that. You can get away with it if you turn around when you're at the front, since they might think "Oh he's making sure we're with him, so he doesn't push in alone." but just doing it when it doesn't make sense and/or for too long and it can get the enemy team to go "Why would he do that?" which can end in you getting spy checked. Sure, this does come with the problem of running into enemy players you can't see because you can't look at them, since that can ruin the disguise, but it could also save your life and get you kills you other wise wouldn't have gotten.
1:54
That poor Sniper was doomed anyway.
Yeah ok but can we talk about how the Route 10 music in the background is what made this quite more enjoyable.
disguises DO WORK when you pick the right moment
best feeling ever is fooling a heavy medic combo when they both have unusuals.
My utmost respect for spies who are capable of fooling the enemy team and succesfully tricking them into believing their disguise. They really embrace the art of spying.
Might be an unpopular opinion but this is the kind of Spy that is fun to play against, compared to being facestabbed or getting played by hitboxes.
I find it fun to be more methodical, as a Spy would.
Always fun when acting in your disguise works, and you go for engineers or medics.
Not every enemy is going to randomly spy check, and that's thanks to your team pushing, distracting them.
Your eternal reward and L'Etranger is very dangerous combination.
This is why I like spy. I'm not a trick stabbing kinda guy. The most satisfying kills with spy are the ones where u genuinely fool the enemy into thinking your one of them.
Definitely, beeing able to trick the enemy into thinking youre a teammate and letting their guard down is incredibly satisfying
nothing feels better than tricking an enemy medic into healing you then backstabbing them
the second one where you disguised as the pyro was golden, your soldier chased you but an enemy rocket hit you too to make it look like you got hit by your soldier's rocket to sell the disguise, moments like this are just satisfying
I feel secondhand embarrassment watching that one medic finally realize that he blew his uber on a spy.
Oh man. I used to play like that. Good memories. :')
RIZZ GOD
My whole playstyle of spy is based around disguise acting, so naturally the yer is one of my favorite knives.
I can't believe you just made that one medic waste the uber.
It's not that disguises don't work anymore, it's just much easier for skilled players to discern a disguised spy that isn't good at acting yet. Just employing a few simple tricks (like the ones in the top comment of this video) can make you so much less obvious. It's all about picking your disguises, staying calm, acting like you're actually the person you're disguised as and most importantly knowing your limits and when to pull out.
its rare to make diguises work but when they work they really work
I use deceptive hoovy tactics to make the opposing team think that I'm friendly then mow them down with the Brass Beast
The medic realized that there was no reason for you to sit on the health pack
Ah a fellow YER appreciator. How rare nowadays.
you running dead ringer with yer is the most unhinged thing in this video
1:53 thanks for saving that poor sniper from a crocket
acting is so important when playing frenchman
I'm just in awe that someone can use the Deadringer with the Your eternal reward
I wouldn't dare
Seeing that Medic Uber an enemy Spy hurt my soul. That poor man.
By this point, unless a beginner is playing on the enemy team, everyone will just point fingers at anything and that said anything is where you’re at.
I love doing this too
If a medic popped their ubercharge on me as a spy, then I would immediately undisguise and do the laugh taunt at them