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OK so, I'm not into the electronic music space much but as a sound engineer, I would highly recommend the 2dn way of composing with this (enhancing the composition with it). This is actually called "summing mixing" and it's a workflow used in a lot of major studios where you will sum your tracks and route them to stereo busses into an analogue mixer to get more cohesion and extra spices on there. I would say this mixer having 2 inserts per buss open up a ton of creativity and it sounds really really good and is also pretty portable! I'd love to try this in the studio even if I mostly record live. It does sound amazing!
Or just stay in the box and use Harrison Mixbus and be done haha! I have a heap of outboard, analogue tape and big old analog mixer and both ways are good for different sounds and being able to drive and eq things on the fly is a revelation for those born with Daws I guess. Hands on is a nice way to work.
I do the same with the Xone DB4. It makes a huge difference with incorporating a live feel and performance to writing and arrangement. The DJ effects add a flavour as well.
I love running the sends into my octatrack. gives me 2 additional channels to work with via the sends and with the random slice/record buffers of the OT it creates incredible textures on the fly. it also works with one of the cues.
YES this combo is phenomenal. I route my MPC One through a Xone 96 over USB to get exactly that separation of tracks with control of audio quality and shape, effects sends, etc. Then record out to DAW. Haven't played with the Model1 series but believe it to be on a similar level. The quality is high, and adding the performance element is a heap of fun.
@@LiamKillen Yep, everything can be assigned to different outputs individually, so either the whole track, program, or individual pads. The 1 thing that would perfect this for me would be tracking out each channel individually into the DAW. In theory should be able to as the 96 has 2 soundcards but for the life of me I haven't been able to find a way to do it :(
Did you ever figure out a way to record channels independently on the 96 over USB? It seems like only the master (11/12) is captured (haven’t dug into this too much though).
@@WilkinsonX unfortunately not, I'm now convinced this is impossible. The best I've managed is getting 2 channels recorded separately. I forget specifically how, something to do with the 11/12 MST/SEND2 switch below the master volume knobs. This works for recording a set and tightening transitions to be more perfect, but not really for production
@@jamesdean5095 Thanks! I tested and toggling the 'MST/Send 2' button to 'Send 2', does allow you to record 2 stereo channels separately (they come through on channels 9/10 + 11/12 on MacOS/Ableton). Too bad the filters aren't recorded using this method; always something...
This is really dope & power to anyone that loves to do this. Just want to point out that with an iPad, Korg NanoControl 2, and AUM you can do all of this and more for a fraction of the cost.
My dream setup would be using this for drums/grooveboxes and then send it and outboard synths to a ssl six. So much control and the sound would be amazing. A flock patch connecting everything would be the icing on the cake. Someday! Love your videos!
What folks don’t understand is harmonic distortion and what it adds to your music via a device like this. The model 1.4 is analog and has textures that digital mixers do not have. Add the other features, dsub I/o and 2 fx sends and this is an incredible device. No other mixer combines these features. I think if you want to perform into your DAW this mixer is for sure top 5 choice. Dsub out to my Apollo x8 and I’m a very happy guy. Great video
The only thing wiht D SUB out is that you can't route individual tracks. You get the master as well as FX sends- that is all. Still, I use it with my DAW all the time. I might actually do a video about this.
Sounds amazing, though a little out of my price range atm. Seriously considering OTO's new analog mixer as an alternative while I save for the 1.4 .. The Bebe Cherie also has some amazing sounding sculpting ability, though not nearly as much as the 1.4.
really cool! and of course im assuming you can sum all four channels together and record your performance back into the daw in real time with everything baked in and continue to chop, edit and process it even more for a final product. Really really cool. Thanks for sharing
Got an Sp404 Mk2 and found this channel while looking MK2 shit up. This video isn't abut a MK2 and I still loved it. He just does a great job making these.
Using a analog mixer to mix your daw. Thats how we did it 25 years ago folks. And we also had proper monitoring speakers when giving advice about 'monitoring'. So much air, so little content.
Just a general take for content in general for ya- not everyone comes from the same background as you. If you can find a video from 25 years ago that incorporates techniques with today's gear / software - I want to know where you found your time machine.
I went with Behringer XR18. The native multitrack recording capabilities of the Tascam Model series to USB stick is enticing, but the XR18 has a ton of native DSP, is bi-directional, and can multi-track to iPad out in the wild.
Part of the history of this mixer is Richie Hawtin wanted a mixer where he could spin records, play instruments, and have found sounds seamlessly. He has a hybrid system as i do, and I use an Older Rane/Mackie for the same thing. This Play mixer cuts down the extra mixer, and from what I understand the sound quality is amazing. DJs have been doing this for decades with Dj mixers, Midi patchbays, and sub mixers....
Why not record the mixer audio back into separate tracks in your DAW, in order to take advantage of the sound quality and outboard effects it provides, instead of trying to recreate the effects in the digital domain?
@@LiamKillen this is a question i've had for a while - can you record a jammed looped section back into the same project on a new track? Or do you need to go to a Zoom or Tascam type thing out of the mixer to get a stereo live recording of said jam?
4 channel summing would give you an extremely marginal difference(and most people couldn't even discern a difference) then in the box and even then you would also need really good AD/DA converters to do the task. Not worth...
@@voodoohex72 it’s all subjective, but Model 1 is six stereo channels with very nice analog drive and filters. I also have a Neve MBC, so I’d probably be just fine. Not really that much different than stem mastering.
@@chinmitten ok my bad I thought it was the same mixer from this video. Didn’t realize they were stereo channels. Yes 12 channels is great for summing then. Still need quality converters though.
@@voodoohex72 all good, it is the same mixer as the video with two more channels. It’s a nice piece, for sure. Not the greatest “DJ” mixer in my opinion but for mixing synths and stems it’s actually a lot better than that small SSL desk imo
As i can’t afford the model i’m using the roland mx-1 in a similar way just for mashing up some loops on my laptop, away from the studio. You don’t even need an audio interface with the mx1
I love you infinitely! Ever since I tried a Pioneer mixer I have been trying vehemently to find a mixer that could be integrated into the studio in a similar way. Thank you so much!
@@LiamKillen How are you finding only having 4 channels to go with the daw? I'm worried that it won't be enough :) Pretty cooll that you can throw an endless amount of tracks into the same channel however! And there's of course always the much more expensive model 1....
I thought you could- but someone told me that you can't (in this comment's section). So I don't have a final answer for you ATM- but i'll be doing a related video for sure that will go into it
Your should be able to print back the performance into the daw retaining the sound and performance of the unit into a stereo mix down. Nothing would be lost.
hello, can someone please explain what is going on here? is he actually making a song or is this mixer and software used to semi create and mix on the fly? Music equipment is the most complicated thing to me. any help would be much appreciated
Ok so i'm routing groups of tracks to the mixer and I have independent control over each of those groups through the channels and controls of the mixer. Hope that makes sense and have a great week.
Dear Allen and Heath, The Xone Db4 was marketed wrong and ahead of its time. Update it to a Class Compliant interface and continue updating the firmware. You will sell 1000’s to new hardware performers. Model sounds great just would be nice to not need an interface, and the 4 channel independent looping on DB4 makes it an instrument on its own.
for live this is a nice idea! however for producing it doesnt make sense because everything on the model 1 goes to one stereo out, so changes are not saved per track in the DAW.
well holdo n a minute actually- you can use that D SUB output in the back of the 1 / 1.4 ;-) I actually didn't even mention this but will be doing a dedicated video in the future.
You can just compose the entire song in the DAW, buss down to 4 subgroups, send them out to the mixer for summing and live performance and record the out from the mixer into a stereo track - done. That's how people have produced dance tracks forever. What am I missing?
@@tendingtropic7778 You do the editing and mixing first in the DAW. Thats what DAWs are great at. Then you make 4 sub groups and send them to the mixer for extra mixing, filtering and gluing the stereo track together before recording that back in. Would I spend over $2k for this? No. OTO has a stem mixer coming out soon that will do the job for me just fine, but this is not a 16 or 24 channel mixer , it is a totally different thing.
Well this is true fun, quality and efficiency: digital sources summed through a quality analog mixer 👌 is the way to go but people are very ignorant in matter and use whatever daw/digital mixers for summing than tracks sound “ congested “ and need huge processing to sound right ! You could start an educative video series about analog summing and why it is better compared to digital summing and digital quantisation! Talking about gears I woul recommend you to use just one analog mono for bass ( Studio Electronics Boom stars are in the league of your mixer as they are build with vintage tech like the old Moog etc in USA ) and also a cheap Alesis midiverb II as reverb/chorus/delay would be much more appropriate for DOPE SOUNDING HOUSE than expensive pedals in my opinion. Cheers and keep posting jamming sessions of this kind as they are refreshing to the boring Elektron of everybody else
I really love how you're using this mixer and I'm considering getting one to pair with my Analog Heat + FX on the send. Do you think this would be a good combo? Do you think it's worth it for the price?
@@LiamKillen i watched it.. I just don't understand what is the benefit of this mixer over let's say a Faderport 16, or an Ableton Push 2, if you're going to use it for DAW control anyway.
@@neonvoid It's not for DAW control, it's for controlling the audio your DAW (or any other device) outputs. You get analog EQ, filters, drive, summing, and all the performance elements including external effects - and it's a very high quality mixer (read: sounds incredible).
@@jamesdean5095 but... the DAW itself has all of these features.. such as EQ, filters, driver, summing.. and probably 1000x more, build-your-own-effect chain, anything your heart desires.. already. isn't this thing heavily redundant, when hooked up with a daw?...
@@neonvoid I feel like you either didn't read my response or don't understand it. A high quality analog mixer with all these features adds an entirely new dynamic to the mix. Both in execution and in sound quality. The key word was ANALOG and if you've worked with a mixer of this quality, you would know the difference. DAWs may provide every option under the sun but that isn't necessarily good for you. The Allen & Heath Xone 96 completely revolutionised my approach to DJing because it was so simple, so precise, and such high quality. I have recordings of my mixes from that time, and they jumped in quality dramatically. Because I was focused on the basics and using quality gear. Now I use it for production and it brings me such joy. If you don't see the point of outboard gear then be my guest, stay in the DAW.
For this video i returned to a separate audio interface - but you can return to your comp via D-SUB from the Model 1.4. I might have to find out a clever way to do it though -
Its a great little mixer, and certainly made for the DJ or performance musician. It is 3 grand though, and there is a bigger 6 channel brother for more cash; I've been contemplating between this ($$$) or a regular studio mixer ($)...and cannot decide (I know the DJ mixer is more dedicate for live, but I am an introverted home studio musician.. go simple and get midi controllers? or go dj mixer and focus with on whats on it). How does this compare to the A&H Xone? I've been eyeing that too ....
Hi there! Thanks for your video. I would like to know if it's possible to route Aux outputs 1 and 2 via the D-Sub cable to Ableton Live. I use Traktor, and I'd like to send my tracks through the Aux outputs of the Model 1.4 to Live and route them back to my return inputs ? I've been searching on various forums for several days, but I can't find how to do it. It would be great if you could help me.
Nice, definitely fun to write and play through a performer style mixer. QQ - in another video, I'm sure you feature a Fairlights compressor or similar which you run a drum machine (TR8?) through and sounds great.. I can't find it anywhere though.. can you help / was I mistaken?
So Im wanting to pull the trigger on the Model 1 or 1.4…. I had a DB4 but it had a sound card within. I will be traveling with my mixer so I want a barebones set up that’s kinda easy to set up to take to gigs…. Mac M1 (I have), K2 (I have), Model 1 or 1.4 mixer… but what will I do with the sound card issue? Will the M1 max suffice for sound or not? I’ve thought about getting a Push 2 with Ableton also but that pushing the cost up a bit too much at this point.. Maybe I should just buy the Ableton Live 11 as that would sit on my laptop and not take up space when I travel and I could start producing tracks too…. Or would there be a an external fx that is a must have that is both portable? I’ve watched most of your videos too and feel I might be limited if I don’t buy a external fx… The DB4 was an all in one mixer and kinda regret selling it now but love the idea it’s an instrument and mixer at the same time. What’s your opinion on the above? Cheers!
Yah a lot to think about there for sure but honestly - you simply cannot go wrong with the model 1.4. If you do decide to buy, please consider using an affiliate link in one of my videos! 😊
Also the set up you described is pretty much exactly what I’m using these days for any sort of love setting haha. MacBook Pro 2015 / model 1.4 / Launchpad / midi controller
I used to have to Model 1 and it’s a great mixer for live performance but if you want to produce music then it can’t do multitrack out so you can’t capture your performance/arrangement other than via the master stereo out. That may be fine for you but any ‘mistakes’ and you have to do it all again. And again. And again. If you then have different external effects on each channel then it’s almost impossible to perform the track as you want. I would go for a mixer with a soundcard so you can route audio back into Ableton and use it the computer as a multi track recorder.
But there’s a d sub output in the back so you actually can capture performances with the right cable. I actually only thought about this after completing this video lol
@@LiamKillen That is what I thought when I bought it but for some reason the D sub outputs only the Master, the Aux sends and the Cue B channels. Such a missed opportunity. Have since replaced my Model 1 with the SSL BigSix which can multitrack out…
Wow that is a gigantic limitation for a $2k+ 4 track mixer. I'm surprised it didn't get a mention in this video. I feel like 90% of what Liam is gaining from this hardware (hands on, tactile control, hardware sends) could be done 'in the box' with a standard multi output soundcard and a midi controller, but with none of the limitations that this unit is stuck with.
I use the A&H 96 … amazing … hooks up to 6 stereo digital and 8 analog at the same time … great for hooking up Ableton and synths. 1/2 the price of the model one
great video. I noticed the mixer doesn't have a pan level, how to go abou that and is that an issue? also, if you have an old vintage drum machine that has a single mono output, how do you incorporate it since each channel of the model 1.4 is stereo, is there a workaround it? peace
Anyone who wants to do this cheaper, remember a studio mixer will do the same thing but cost a lot less (DJ mixers have a much higher markup). Although the company here is playdifferently it's effectively made by Allen & Heath. You can get studio mixers for under a grand that will sound as good, have multitracking (ie you can route the channels directly and individually) from your DAW and have really good FX built in. Soundcraft Siganture MTK 12 highly recommended. Have fun.
yeah I also didn't get this, why not just get exactly this soundcraft mtk12 or similar or even a soundcard with 8 I/O and an oldschool analog mixer that you can go out from DAW into mixer, and back in to DAW or vice versa, from Mixer with analog gear into DAW, then record and if you want to go back out that's another story.
Hey, I really wanna buy the model 1.4 but I don't want to spend another $2000 on a audio interface Apollo that will give you the proper 48,000 kHz but the Allen and Heath comes with two soundcards. I know you get the analog and the mixing, but you also have to buy audio interface to get professional quality thoughts
Yeah that's the downside of using 100 % analog gear - shit gets expensive REAL quick - it's a thing. You might want to consider something with audio over USB i'm pretty that some of the pioneer mixers offer this - thanks for watching :-)
Hey good question. I actually do use a midi controller in combination with my mixer when I perform and the combination is pretty hard to beat. Just the way you can isolate stems and choose which are being filtered or not- how you can sculpt and EQ on the fly. The Model 1.4 also has hardware FX sends which opens up a whole other realm of performance possibilities.
I've not heard this mixer personally but I do use a Tascam Model 24 as an analog summing solution, so the idea is similar to this post. And for the record, I also have a Presonus Fader Port 16 worked into my recording rig. A couple of thoughts come to mind while also understanding that there is an entire generation of project studio folks that have never mixed on a great analog device. Control Surfaces are wonderful and provide a great way to eliminate some of the mouse keyboard functions that get tiresome. The problem, at least for me, is they're slow. The lag, albeit often slight, is a disconnect that's just not there on analog consoles. There is a feel and connectivity with great analog faders. Something just connects, touch to ear to brain, which, for me, is completely missing on Control Surfaces. The other component, as was obvious in this video, is no digital eq is ever gonna sonically replace a great analog eq. Admittedly a 4-channel summing mixer, no matter how great the eq is, would provide for some degree of challenges, but still doable on some level. As with analog faders, analog eq provides a tactile connection and a sonic immediacy that I find almost void digitally. As for the Model 1.4, it simply wouldn't be enough for what I create and ultimately mix, but I do absolutely understand the luxury of analog and why the OP finds this satisfying. As to your question of what a mixer does that Ableton can't, the simple answer is nothing. The differences are not capabilities but more touch, feel, and sonics.
You sell it very well except failing to mention the price (unless I missed that bit) although the cable connector hinted at its top end nature. Teenage Engineering products seem cheap in comparison but it looks really nice.
After watching many vids I just do not get what 1.4 does that any mixer doesn’t do?? Literally every mixer or even DJ controller has faders, EQ, and some even have onboard FX… What am I missing??
Who's going to make an 8 or 12 stereo channel mixer - maybe 1-2 monos ... that's what I'm seeking for this kind of workflow (understanding model1 stuff is premium) - All mixers today are mostly mono with token stereo channels.
I don’t get why anyone would get the Model 1.4 over a Xone 96… way more features, better sound, less money, less marketing hype and FULL USB implementation. A no brainer IMO.
Def not better sound and USB implementation is awesome, I agree, but there’s always gonna be a bit of latency there. Also different design , it’s bulkier. Also I’m looking on Red One right now, it’s actually more expensive than the 1.4 by 300$ And let’s be real it doesn’t look as sexy lol.
@@LiamKillen I meant better sound/audio routing features… obvs ‘better sound’ is subjective, and I’m sure they both sound great. Lemme expand- Being able to switch between 2x USB and Analog inputs per channel on the Xone 96 is really great… the USB routing per channel too, being able to send your fx sends out to hardware or out into your DAW’s aux tracks is brilliant… one USB cable from your MacBook and you’re able to work as you did using an interface plus the Model 1.4… AND you can re-record it ALL back into your DAW using the Xone 96, stems and mixes to catch the lot. That puts it miles ahead IMO. Then those 2 filter circuits with the Crunch/Drive, on top of the channel EQ… it’s a tonal monster.
i just cant with the cable management on hardware. even just adding one fx send adds like 4 cable which quickly spirals into a semi permenant mess on my desk and i dont have the room for that. its why i always just go back to one groovebox and a daw.
So wait , there’s no way to record the effects and warmth of the mixer back into the DAW? Couldn’t u just run the outputs of the mixer back into the audio interface and into ur daw to record??? Am I missing something?
There's only a master out and a separate out for FX which I find dumb AF TBH . It's really not a studio mixer though - it's designed for performing. I'm actually looking for a solid mixer that can do what you're suggesting here. If you want to rerecord with that warmth, you can of course run one track at a time through your audio interface, into the mixer and right back into your sound card in real time if you want,
@@LiamKillen yea that is dumb AF LOL… I’m drooling at the Apha Theta Euphonia at the moment to do this .. with those Neve transformers they put inside that mixer I’m curious of using as a summing mixer with fx as well as djing.. don’t think many are looking at it for studio use but I’m a mad scientist lol.. would love ur thoughts on that mixer … great video as always bro !
@@LiamKillen nah, that’s not how it works. There are not two accepted pronunciations of that word. It’s not a made up word. It’s in the dictionary. Go use Google to hear how it’s pronounced.
In the UK, this mixer is priced at £2299. I don't think this equipment is for the average member of the dance community who can't spare that kind of cash for one item.
...? and? So many top producers are peak cuz they're not thinking about that in "creative mode"- and sometimes the mix doesn't sound as good when you bring it back down so it's possible for it to stay there too!
This is a very expensive solution. There are better answers that are cheaper. I don't know why Google keeps suggesting your clips, but I definitely don't like your idea of a good solution for this. I will stick with my Midas mixer and my MIDI controller and a couple of different audio interfaces
Of course there are other options- but "better" is for sure subjective- the model 1.4 is pretty sweet- payed full price and think that it's worth every penny personally. That's just me though-
First off- this is not an ad- I payed for this unit. “For real” can mean so many things- I use it in every way possible- studio / daw use as well as for live use and show other people how to use it…kind of covers all grounds. Thx for watching.
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OK so, I'm not into the electronic music space much but as a sound engineer, I would highly recommend the 2dn way of composing with this (enhancing the composition with it). This is actually called "summing mixing" and it's a workflow used in a lot of major studios where you will sum your tracks and route them to stereo busses into an analogue mixer to get more cohesion and extra spices on there. I would say this mixer having 2 inserts per buss open up a ton of creativity and it sounds really really good and is also pretty portable! I'd love to try this in the studio even if I mostly record live. It does sound amazing!
Thank you for this addition! :-)
Or just stay in the box and use Harrison Mixbus and be done haha! I have a heap of outboard, analogue tape and big old analog mixer and both ways are good for different sounds and being able to drive and eq things on the fly is a revelation for those born with Daws I guess. Hands on is a nice way to work.
Liam: has a fancy mixer
Also Liam: has no mouse
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Bro! Love that you found your bliss🔥 It’s awesome when you find something that just “clicks” and makes everything flow. Keep on Killen it🤟🏻
Yeah this thing fucks.
Can’t wait to meet at Superbooth!!
I do the same with the Xone DB4. It makes a huge difference with incorporating a live feel and performance to writing and arrangement. The DJ effects add a flavour as well.
I absolutely love it!
I have that included in my Ableton DAW. I am using a MIDI Controller with faders knobs.
yes! Good move.
I love running the sends into my octatrack. gives me 2 additional channels to work with via the sends and with the random slice/record buffers of the OT it creates incredible textures on the fly. it also works with one of the cues.
Yes that's an awesome workflow!
YES this combo is phenomenal. I route my MPC One through a Xone 96 over USB to get exactly that separation of tracks with control of audio quality and shape, effects sends, etc. Then record out to DAW. Haven't played with the Model1 series but believe it to be on a similar level. The quality is high, and adding the performance element is a heap of fun.
Woahhh I didn't know that stem seperation was consistent from MPC One to mixer via USB. I thought that was only a DAW thing. Verryyyy interesting 🤔
@@LiamKillen Yep, everything can be assigned to different outputs individually, so either the whole track, program, or individual pads. The 1 thing that would perfect this for me would be tracking out each channel individually into the DAW. In theory should be able to as the 96 has 2 soundcards but for the life of me I haven't been able to find a way to do it :(
Did you ever figure out a way to record channels independently on the 96 over USB? It seems like only the master (11/12) is captured (haven’t dug into this too much though).
@@WilkinsonX unfortunately not, I'm now convinced this is impossible. The best I've managed is getting 2 channels recorded separately. I forget specifically how, something to do with the 11/12 MST/SEND2 switch below the master volume knobs. This works for recording a set and tightening transitions to be more perfect, but not really for production
@@jamesdean5095 Thanks! I tested and toggling the 'MST/Send 2' button to 'Send 2', does allow you to record 2 stereo channels separately (they come through on channels 9/10 + 11/12 on MacOS/Ableton). Too bad the filters aren't recorded using this method; always something...
This is really dope & power to anyone that loves to do this. Just want to point out that with an iPad, Korg NanoControl 2, and AUM you can do all of this and more for a fraction of the cost.
Different game but thanks for the suggestion!
My dream setup would be using this for drums/grooveboxes and then send it and outboard synths to a ssl six. So much control and the sound would be amazing. A flock patch connecting everything would be the icing on the cake. Someday!
Love your videos!
that's a SLAM of a set up for sure.
I was doing this with xone 4D 10 years ago and it also has midi and a great soundcard. I saw how minilogue played live sets and was hooked
Right!?
What folks don’t understand is harmonic distortion and what it adds to your music via a device like this. The model 1.4 is analog and has textures that digital mixers do not have. Add the other features, dsub I/o and 2 fx sends and this is an incredible device. No other mixer combines these features. I think if you want to perform into your DAW this mixer is for sure top 5 choice. Dsub out to my Apollo x8 and I’m a very happy guy. Great video
The only thing wiht D SUB out is that you can't route individual tracks. You get the master as well as FX sends- that is all.
Still, I use it with my DAW all the time. I might actually do a video about this.
Sounds amazing, though a little out of my price range atm. Seriously considering OTO's new analog mixer as an alternative while I save for the 1.4 .. The Bebe Cherie also has some amazing sounding sculpting ability, though not nearly as much as the 1.4.
IMO nothing beats the 1.4 … except for maybe the 1 I guess lol
really cool! and of course im assuming you can sum all four channels together and record your performance back into the daw in real time with everything baked in and continue to chop, edit and process it even more for a final product. Really really cool. Thanks for sharing
You can or sure do this :-)
Thanks for the review, Ive been curious about this mixer, way to much menu diving for me, but glad your having fun
I’m not sure if I understand but there’s no menu diving with the model 1.4!
Got an Sp404 Mk2 and found this channel while looking MK2 shit up. This video isn't abut a MK2 and I still loved it. He just does a great job making these.
Hey thanks man! Really appreciate you tuning in! More mk2 content coming pretty soon actually 😏
Using a analog mixer to mix your daw. Thats how we did it 25 years ago folks. And we also had proper monitoring speakers when giving advice about 'monitoring'. So much air, so little content.
Just a general take for content in general for ya- not everyone comes from the same background as you.
If you can find a video from 25 years ago that incorporates techniques with today's gear / software - I want to know where you found your time machine.
Loving this workflow. You've got me thinking about a thousand different possiblities ❤
Literally 1000
1 000 000
I went with Behringer XR18. The native multitrack recording capabilities of the Tascam Model series to USB stick is enticing, but the XR18 has a ton of native DSP, is bi-directional, and can multi-track to iPad out in the wild.
great options .
Part of the history of this mixer is Richie Hawtin wanted a mixer where he could spin records, play instruments, and have found sounds seamlessly. He has a hybrid system as i do, and I use an Older Rane/Mackie for the same thing. This Play mixer cuts down the extra mixer, and from what I understand the sound quality is amazing. DJs have been doing this for decades with Dj mixers, Midi patchbays, and sub mixers....
I love his new set up it’s so clean
The track of the intro is a bangerrrrrr ❤
Thanks for watching ! :-)
where I can buy it ;) I would like to play it in my mixes
Great videos! I always find them super inspiring. I love using the Model 1.4 for my live sets too.
Glad to inspire! 😊 thanks for watching
Why not record the mixer audio back into separate tracks in your DAW, in order to take advantage of the sound quality and outboard effects it provides, instead of trying to recreate the effects in the digital domain?
Yeah I thought of that after making this video- even still though my point about “taking it fully to the DAW” still remains
I will most likely do a video of that entire process as well because it’s unstoppable
@@LiamKillen this is a question i've had for a while - can you record a jammed looped section back into the same project on a new track? Or do you need to go to a Zoom or Tascam type thing out of the mixer to get a stereo live recording of said jam?
I have a model 1 I’ve flirted with the idea of using as summing mixer, which is pretty much what you’re doing here. I like it.
It makes me…play differently 😏
4 channel summing would give you an extremely marginal difference(and most people couldn't even discern a difference) then in the box and even then you would also need really good AD/DA converters to do the task. Not worth...
@@voodoohex72 it’s all subjective, but Model 1 is six stereo channels with very nice analog drive and filters. I also have a Neve MBC, so I’d probably be just fine. Not really that much different than stem mastering.
@@chinmitten ok my bad I thought it was the same mixer from this video. Didn’t realize they were stereo channels. Yes 12 channels is great for summing then. Still need quality converters though.
@@voodoohex72 all good, it is the same mixer as the video with two more channels. It’s a nice piece, for sure. Not the greatest “DJ” mixer in my opinion but for mixing synths and stems it’s actually a lot better than that small SSL desk imo
As i can’t afford the model i’m using the roland mx-1 in a similar way just for mashing up some loops on my laptop, away from the studio. You don’t even need an audio interface with the mx1
Yeah that's dope- i'm actually considering doing a similar thing with the TR-8S
My thing is how would one use master fx in Ableton ?? If u have to route each track separately
Also no mastering chain?
There's a way to route it via your audio interface
I love you infinitely! Ever since I tried a Pioneer mixer I have been trying vehemently to find a mixer that could be integrated into the studio in a similar way. Thank you so much!
Appreciate the love! Thanks for being here :-)
@@LiamKillen How are you finding only having 4 channels to go with the daw? I'm worried that it won't be enough :) Pretty cooll that you can throw an endless amount of tracks into the same channel however!
And there's of course always the much more expensive model 1....
question. can you bounce each track through the mixer so it shows up in ur daw sounding like it did with the mixer on it?
I thought you could- but someone told me that you can't (in this comment's section). So I don't have a final answer for you ATM- but i'll be doing a related video for sure that will go into it
I am waiting for my Xone PX5 for 3 months now, for the similar live setup. Hopefully they won’t screw me over again and it will be here in 3 weeks 😅
Yeah it’s rough these days with shipments
Your should be able to print back the performance into the daw retaining the sound and performance of the unit into a stereo mix down. Nothing would be lost.
Absolutely - but then you'd be really limited to what you can do with that single stem.
hello, can someone please explain what is going on here? is he actually making a song or is this mixer and software used to semi create and mix on the fly? Music equipment is the most complicated thing to me. any help would be much appreciated
Ok so i'm routing groups of tracks to the mixer and I have independent control over each of those groups through the channels and controls of the mixer. Hope that makes sense and have a great week.
Hi sir do you know if the mixer can connect with RME UCXII, which only seems to have 9 pin d-sub, through maybe a 25 to 9 pin adapter?
Hmmm i'm not 100 % sure on that one. - you don't HAVE to use the D SUB Out though if you don't want to, it's just a lot more convenient.
@@LiamKillen I see. Thanks for the advice!
Thinking about getting one as a summing mixer for live synths.
Good choice - I personally think this thing is a tank no matter how you use it.
Dear Allen and Heath,
The Xone Db4 was marketed wrong and ahead of its time. Update it to a Class Compliant interface and continue updating the firmware. You will sell 1000’s to new hardware performers.
Model sounds great just would be nice to not need an interface, and the 4 channel independent looping on DB4 makes it an instrument on its own.
Allen and Heath hopefully will see this lol
Yeah ... throw it all in the Mixer and we have a groovy salsa .. cheers to creativity and sound ! Ole !!!!
Bing bong
Can you use Tracktor on an iPad with the model 1 , if so how?
You can ! You'd need an audio interface for that though .
thanks for your video...why don't you record the output from the mixer back into logic? i thought that was where this video was heading.
Def something i'll be doing in a future video- like ferr sheerrrrr
for live this is a nice idea! however for producing it doesnt make sense because everything on the model 1 goes to one stereo out, so changes are not saved per track in the DAW.
well holdo n a minute actually- you can use that D SUB output in the back of the 1 / 1.4 ;-)
I actually didn't even mention this but will be doing a dedicated video in the future.
You can just compose the entire song in the DAW, buss down to 4 subgroups, send them out to the mixer for summing and live performance and record the out from the mixer into a stereo track - done. That's how people have produced dance tracks forever. What am I missing?
@@landonh3535 it would be convenient to send it back from the mixer to DAW in multitrack, for later editing / mastering
@@tendingtropic7778 You do the editing and mixing first in the DAW. Thats what DAWs are great at. Then you make 4 sub groups and send them to the mixer for extra mixing, filtering and gluing the stereo track together before recording that back in. Would I spend over $2k for this? No. OTO has a stem mixer coming out soon that will do the job for me just fine, but this is not a 16 or 24 channel mixer , it is a totally different thing.
Well this is true fun, quality and efficiency: digital sources summed through a quality analog mixer 👌 is the way to go but people are very ignorant in matter and use whatever daw/digital mixers for summing than tracks sound “ congested “ and need huge processing to sound right !
You could start an educative video series about analog summing and why it is better compared to digital summing and digital quantisation!
Talking about gears I woul recommend you to use just one analog mono for bass ( Studio Electronics Boom stars are in the league of your mixer as they are build with vintage tech like the old Moog etc in USA ) and also a cheap Alesis midiverb II as reverb/chorus/delay would be much more appropriate for DOPE SOUNDING HOUSE than expensive pedals in my opinion.
Cheers and keep posting jamming sessions of this kind as they are refreshing to the boring Elektron of everybody else
Thank you for this addition! :-)
I really love how you're using this mixer and I'm considering getting one to pair with my Analog Heat + FX on the send. Do you think this would be a good combo? Do you think it's worth it for the price?
That sounds like an AMAZING combo. It's pricey but you will never sell this thing.
I'm curious what your go-to audio cables are, man? What do you use for your sends, for example?
MyVolts ALL THE WAY!
so what is the purpose of this device exactly?
Watch the video to find out one of them- it's also great for live use-
@@LiamKillen i watched it.. I just don't understand what is the benefit of this mixer over let's say a Faderport 16, or an Ableton Push 2, if you're going to use it for DAW control anyway.
@@neonvoid It's not for DAW control, it's for controlling the audio your DAW (or any other device) outputs. You get analog EQ, filters, drive, summing, and all the performance elements including external effects - and it's a very high quality mixer (read: sounds incredible).
@@jamesdean5095 but... the DAW itself has all of these features.. such as EQ, filters, driver, summing.. and probably 1000x more, build-your-own-effect chain, anything your heart desires.. already. isn't this thing heavily redundant, when hooked up with a daw?...
@@neonvoid I feel like you either didn't read my response or don't understand it.
A high quality analog mixer with all these features adds an entirely new dynamic to the mix. Both in execution and in sound quality. The key word was ANALOG and if you've worked with a mixer of this quality, you would know the difference.
DAWs may provide every option under the sun but that isn't necessarily good for you. The Allen & Heath Xone 96 completely revolutionised my approach to DJing because it was so simple, so precise, and such high quality. I have recordings of my mixes from that time, and they jumped in quality dramatically. Because I was focused on the basics and using quality gear. Now I use it for production and it brings me such joy.
If you don't see the point of outboard gear then be my guest, stay in the DAW.
thats alot of money for a mixer, esp for home use. is it worth 6 times the Behringer DDM4000?
I've used it out as well- yeah it's def more of a performance mixer but it's gun AF to use at home.
always nice to see a guy that actually knows what he's doing
It definitely helps lol
I had that same model MacBook Pro. Just upgraded to the new model. Feels great and the fan never comes on!
I just got the M1 Max but I still use my 2015 for live / RUclips stuff
Awesome man!!! Curious to hear what you thought about the octatrack now that some time passed on.
I will absolutely be pairing it with this set up
How do you return the sound back to the computer?
For this video i returned to a separate audio interface - but you can return to your comp via D-SUB from the Model 1.4. I might have to find out a clever way to do it though -
Which loop library would you recommend for such sounds?
Here’s a good place to start; samples.liamkillen.com/
do you use your apogee ensemble when you play live with the 1.4 too?
I absolutely do :-)
What headphones are you wearing?
AIAIAI TMA-2 wireless +
What is the name of the software you use? 🙂
In this video i'm using Logic Pro
Its a great little mixer, and certainly made for the DJ or performance musician. It is 3 grand though, and there is a bigger 6 channel brother for more cash; I've been contemplating between this ($$$) or a regular studio mixer ($)...and cannot decide (I know the DJ mixer is more dedicate for live, but I am an introverted home studio musician.. go simple and get midi controllers? or go dj mixer and focus with on whats on it). How does this compare to the A&H Xone? I've been eyeing that too ....
This is not a question I can answer for you but a good one indeed
Xone:96 - very flexible and great audio interface built-in.
Hi there! Thanks for your video. I would like to know if it's possible to route Aux outputs 1 and 2 via the D-Sub cable to Ableton Live. I use Traktor, and I'd like to send my tracks through the Aux outputs of the Model 1.4 to Live and route them back to my return inputs ? I've been searching on various forums for several days, but I can't find how to do it. It would be great if you could help me.
Hmmm I haven’t tried this so I can’t give a definite answer on this
The Vestax VCM 600 was, and is by far, still the best hardware mixer for Ableton.
And the point is...? He is using Logic. I don't get it.
Oh interesting- something to consider- cheers.
Haha true-
I do a similar thing but use the SSL Six mixer instead.
Dope AF
It's like an Elektron mixer! Very impressive.
The octatrack? Yeah there are sooome similarities
My mind is blown. I have a MODEL 1 - will put it to work with production! 😃
It's such a strong tool!
Nice, definitely fun to write and play through a performer style mixer. QQ - in another video, I'm sure you feature a Fairlights compressor or similar which you run a drum machine (TR8?) through and sounds great.. I can't find it anywhere though.. can you help / was I mistaken?
ummm i'm not sure i'm clear. Are you thinking of this video?
ruclips.net/video/jYiDAr8w_Ao/видео.html
@@LiamKillen YISSSS, thanks. Was sure that i'd checked through this but here it it. Thanks. Do you still use the Long Life btw?
So Im wanting to pull the trigger on the Model 1 or 1.4…. I had a DB4 but it had a sound card within. I will be traveling with my mixer so I want a barebones set up that’s kinda easy to set up to take to gigs…. Mac M1 (I have), K2 (I have), Model 1 or 1.4 mixer… but what will I do with the sound card issue? Will the M1 max suffice for sound or not? I’ve thought about getting a Push 2 with Ableton also but that pushing the cost up a bit too much at this point.. Maybe I should just buy the Ableton Live 11 as that would sit on my laptop and not take up space when I travel and I could start producing tracks too…. Or would there be a an external fx that is a must have that is both portable?
I’ve watched most of your videos too and feel I might be limited if I don’t buy a external fx… The DB4 was an all in one mixer and kinda regret selling it now but love the idea it’s an instrument and mixer at the same time. What’s your opinion on the above? Cheers!
Yah a lot to think about there for sure but honestly - you simply cannot go wrong with the model 1.4. If you do decide to buy, please consider using an affiliate link in one of my videos! 😊
Also the set up you described is pretty much exactly what I’m using these days for any sort of love setting haha. MacBook Pro 2015 / model 1.4 / Launchpad / midi controller
I used to have to Model 1 and it’s a great mixer for live performance but if you want to produce music then it can’t do multitrack out so you can’t capture your performance/arrangement other than via the master stereo out. That may be fine for you but any ‘mistakes’ and you have to do it all again. And again. And again. If you then have different external effects on each channel then it’s almost impossible to perform the track as you want. I would go for a mixer with a soundcard so you can route audio back into Ableton and use it the computer as a multi track recorder.
But there’s a d sub output in the back so you actually can capture performances with the right cable. I actually only thought about this after completing this video lol
@@LiamKillen That is what I thought when I bought it but for some reason the D sub outputs only the Master, the Aux sends and the Cue B channels. Such a missed opportunity. Have since replaced my Model 1 with the SSL BigSix which can multitrack out…
Wow that is a gigantic limitation for a $2k+ 4 track mixer. I'm surprised it didn't get a mention in this video.
I feel like 90% of what Liam is gaining from this hardware (hands on, tactile control, hardware sends) could be done 'in the box' with a standard multi output soundcard and a midi controller, but with none of the limitations that this unit is stuck with.
I use the A&H 96 … amazing … hooks up to 6 stereo digital and 8 analog at the same time … great for hooking up Ableton and synths. 1/2 the price of the model one
Is there a cheaper alternative?
there are many - i'm in the process of making one with the TR-8S which you can easily use with Ableton-
great video. I noticed the mixer doesn't have a pan level, how to go abou that and is that an issue? also, if you have an old vintage drum machine that has a single mono output, how do you incorporate it since each channel of the model 1.4 is stereo, is there a workaround it? peace
Yeah you can get a mono -> dual mono cable for the drum machine.
Pan lvl hasn’t been an issue at all!
Anyone who wants to do this cheaper, remember a studio mixer will do the same thing but cost a lot less (DJ mixers have a much higher markup). Although the company here is playdifferently it's effectively made by Allen & Heath. You can get studio mixers for under a grand that will sound as good, have multitracking (ie you can route the channels directly and individually) from your DAW and have really good FX built in. Soundcraft Siganture MTK 12 highly recommended. Have fun.
yeah I also didn't get this, why not just get exactly this soundcraft mtk12 or similar or even a soundcard with 8 I/O and an oldschool analog mixer that you can go out from DAW into mixer, and back in to DAW or vice versa, from Mixer with analog gear into DAW, then record and if you want to go back out that's another story.
Appreciate the input-
there are many options- this is the one i'm using 🤷🏻♂️
Hey, I really wanna buy the model 1.4 but I don't want to spend another $2000 on a audio interface Apollo that will give you the proper 48,000 kHz but the Allen and Heath comes with two soundcards. I know you get the analog and the mixing, but you also have to buy audio interface to get professional quality thoughts
Yeah that's the downside of using 100 % analog gear - shit gets expensive REAL quick - it's a thing.
You might want to consider something with audio over USB i'm pretty that some of the pioneer mixers offer this - thanks for watching :-)
i record my synths / drum machines through oto boum and then through model 1 to an RME interface into logic. sweetness!
Killer set up! :-)
Why not just use a Midi controller? I'm genuinely curious of what the mixer does that Ableton can't.
It looks cool! Also, it helps sell 2000 dollar mixers. Some will say "adds analog warmth" too.
Hey good question. I actually do use a midi controller in combination with my mixer when I perform and the combination is pretty hard to beat. Just the way you can isolate stems and choose which are being filtered or not- how you can sculpt and EQ on the fly. The Model 1.4 also has hardware FX sends which opens up a whole other realm of performance possibilities.
😂 all of the above…and so much more 😏
@@LiamKillen awesome!
I've not heard this mixer personally but I do use a Tascam Model 24 as an analog summing solution, so the idea is similar to this post. And for the record, I also have a Presonus Fader Port 16 worked into my recording rig. A couple of thoughts come to mind while also understanding that there is an entire generation of project studio folks that have never mixed on a great analog device. Control Surfaces are wonderful and provide a great way to eliminate some of the mouse keyboard functions that get tiresome. The problem, at least for me, is they're slow. The lag, albeit often slight, is a disconnect that's just not there on analog consoles. There is a feel and connectivity with great analog faders. Something just connects, touch to ear to brain, which, for me, is completely missing on Control Surfaces. The other component, as was obvious in this video, is no digital eq is ever gonna sonically replace a great analog eq. Admittedly a 4-channel summing mixer, no matter how great the eq is, would provide for some degree of challenges, but still doable on some level. As with analog faders, analog eq provides a tactile connection and a sonic immediacy that I find almost void digitally. As for the Model 1.4, it simply wouldn't be enough for what I create and ultimately mix, but I do absolutely understand the luxury of analog and why the OP finds this satisfying. As to your question of what a mixer does that Ableton can't, the simple answer is nothing. The differences are not capabilities but more touch, feel, and sonics.
You sell it very well except failing to mention the price (unless I missed that bit) although the cable connector hinted at its top end nature. Teenage Engineering products seem cheap in comparison but it looks really nice.
I hope I don't come across as a straight up salesman- i payed full price for the unit myself. Yeah it's expeezy for sure but worth it IMO-
@@LiamKillen I love the look of it but luckily have no need for one right now lol
$3000 for a 4 channel mixer???? Wow dude I need to check this thing out it must be able to do some crazy stuff
It’s the quality that knocks it out of the park
And yeah it’s very clever
That's just bullshit mate don't buy it, it is just a mixer with some effects.
After watching many vids I just do not get what 1.4 does that any mixer doesn’t do?? Literally every mixer or even DJ controller has faders, EQ, and some even have onboard FX… What am I missing??
@@jasonfnorth you are missing, that this is just a scheme to sell an overpriced product
This jam is phatttt ❤
Riiiiight?
Who's going to make an 8 or 12 stereo channel mixer - maybe 1-2 monos ... that's what I'm seeking for this kind of workflow (understanding model1 stuff is premium) - All mixers today are mostly mono with token stereo channels.
Model 1 is one step closer
Zähl AM1
I don’t get why anyone would get the Model 1.4 over a Xone 96… way more features, better sound, less money, less marketing hype and FULL USB implementation. A no brainer IMO.
Def not better sound and USB implementation is awesome, I agree, but there’s always gonna be a bit of latency there. Also different design , it’s bulkier. Also I’m looking on Red One right now, it’s actually more expensive than the 1.4 by 300$
And let’s be real it doesn’t look as sexy lol.
@@LiamKillen I meant better sound/audio routing features… obvs ‘better sound’ is subjective, and I’m sure they both sound great. Lemme expand- Being able to switch between 2x USB and Analog inputs per channel on the Xone 96 is really great… the USB routing per channel too, being able to send your fx sends out to hardware or out into your DAW’s aux tracks is brilliant… one USB cable from your MacBook and you’re able to work as you did using an interface plus the Model 1.4… AND you can re-record it ALL back into your DAW using the Xone 96, stems and mixes to catch the lot. That puts it miles ahead IMO. Then those 2 filter circuits with the Crunch/Drive, on top of the channel EQ… it’s a tonal monster.
@@LiamKillen there's no more latency than with your sound card. can confirm USB into Xone absolutely rox
Model 1 or xone 96 ?
Moor me…model 1 😊
Looks rad!! I need a new mixer but then I saw the price!!! Intrigued as to what it sounds like with the sp404,
Here’s a video of using it with the 404 actually ruclips.net/video/ZwI_-CS4X8Y/видео.html
What is pedal to your right?
I can't see the video from this side but I bet it's something great lol.
i just cant with the cable management on hardware. even just adding one fx send adds like 4 cable which quickly spirals into a semi permenant mess on my desk and i dont have the room for that. its why i always just go back to one groovebox and a daw.
Yeah I get that- but it's just just better in so many ways to use hardware FX - i think it's worth that extra effort personally.
@@LiamKillen thats fair. Im also just not very dedicated to music. I just make 4 bars loops and leave em in my digitakt and that’s fine with me :)
So wait , there’s no way to record the effects and warmth of the mixer back into the DAW? Couldn’t u just run the outputs of the mixer back into the audio interface and into ur daw to record??? Am I missing something?
There's only a master out and a separate out for FX which I find dumb AF TBH . It's really not a studio mixer though - it's designed for performing. I'm actually looking for a solid mixer that can do what you're suggesting here.
If you want to rerecord with that warmth, you can of course run one track at a time through your audio interface, into the mixer and right back into your sound card in real time if you want,
@@LiamKillen yea that is dumb AF LOL… I’m drooling at the Apha Theta Euphonia at the moment to do this .. with those Neve transformers they put inside that mixer I’m curious of using as a summing mixer with fx as well as djing.. don’t think many are looking at it for studio use but I’m a mad scientist lol.. would love ur thoughts on that mixer … great video as always bro !
This set up would be great with logic live loop
I’ve been using it more with Ableton actually
1:49 _a-POH-gee_ 😂. Dunno if you said that on purpose but for the record it's pronounced APP-a-gee
Anyway, fun toy. And dope loop.
It's cuz i'm Canadian lolzorz
@@LiamKillen Well, that makes two of us, eh.
Nice but bass in stereo doesnt make sense. Bass and Kick should be in mono…
They ended up being dual mono because that’s how I set them up in my DAW
Very nice, but the price is crazy.
yeah it's not cheap
Cool you sent some sample pack loops through a mixer…
Over simplifying things must get so boring
You forgot to add a stupidly over priced mixer.
@@lucid484 yes indeed!
Im sorry dude.. please forgive me, ap-ah-gee. I had a friend who worked there for years. Cool video none the less!
He’s not wrong. It’s definitely APP-ah-gee.
a-paw-geh
to-may-to // to-maut-o
@@LiamKillen nah, that’s not how it works. There are not two accepted pronunciations of that word. It’s not a made up word. It’s in the dictionary. Go use Google to hear how it’s pronounced.
That thing has mojo!
Major mojo!!
kinda like the big six
Different units for sure. I dropped a review / comparison of the Model 1.4 / SSL Big Six over on my Patreon actually.
Hihi auto correct changed my original message which was what is you
D. A. W?
I'm using Logic Pro in this video :-)
If I were gonna buy the 1.4 wouldn't be better to get the model 1 6 tracks
It still smaller than the push 3
Yeah if i were to update that's for sure what I would get too :-)
Hey DJ!!
d-d-d-d-deejay!
In the UK, this mixer is priced at £2299. I don't think this equipment is for the average member of the dance community who can't spare that kind of cash for one item.
It's for rich people showing off on the internet, not for normal people making music.
There are plenty of artists using the model 1.4 . A good mixer is a major investment for many live performing electronic musician.
Electronic music gear is very expensive, for sure- and it's a privilege to be able to afford it.
A lot of the time though it's priorities vs income.
Sounds so royalty free
That's because i'm using straight splice loops lol
Stop making me want to buy sh*t, man. Hahaha.
By the way that new song Resolve is great!
Sowwy lol
Thanks for listening!! 😊
There are many ways to accomplish the same result
There certainly are
"I don't care it sounds good"
LOL, I can hear the limiter distortion
...? and? So many top producers are peak cuz they're not thinking about that in "creative mode"- and sometimes the mix doesn't sound as good when you bring it back down so it's possible for it to stay there too!
Of course its going to sound different if you got the drive cranged all the way up hahaha
Sounds so fkn good though
@@LiamKillen it does lol
Huge box. Huge price.
It's actually a very compact mixer- but yeah big price for sure.
This is a very expensive solution. There are better answers that are cheaper.
I don't know why Google keeps suggesting your clips, but I definitely don't like your idea of a good solution for this. I will stick with my Midas mixer and my MIDI controller and a couple of different audio interfaces
Of course there are other options- but "better" is for sure subjective- the model 1.4 is pretty sweet- payed full price and think that it's worth every penny personally. That's just me though-
wow 2900 for a four channel dj mixer
it ain't cheap-
We need two more hands. Evolution stop slacking please
I second this comment.
Damn it's mad pricey, seems dope though. I'd probably opt for a synth at that price
Worth it imo!!
Hate is your Daw?
Logic Pro (in this video) :-)
classic YT advertising, you never use it for real.
First off- this is not an ad- I payed for this unit.
“For real” can mean so many things- I use it in every way possible- studio / daw use as well as for live use and show other people how to use it…kind of covers all grounds.
Thx for watching.