One year after release - What's the state of the FSS Embraers? | Real Airline Pilot
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I know a chap who started an RAF Vulcan with the engine covers still fitted - it was expensive and spectacular all at the same time.
They just released an update in which they added the beginning of the custom vnav to the aircraft. Which is the next step for the custom fms.
I purchased this day one but I hardly fly it because the aircraft still feels incomplete.
At least there has been some huge updates since its release. But it still feels early access.
I don't understand FSS. Their Tecnam aircraft are so good, yet this Embraer is still incomplete and buggy. I know it's much more complex but still, so much time has passed. Now, with the A220 confirmed to be on its way, I'll wait for that one instead.
I really have no idea either. They can make aircraft, the Tecnams clearly show that as you said. Perhaps they ran out of money and were forced to release like that? I really don’t know.
say this in their server and look how they will humiliate, bully and kick you out.
Looks that we need to be patient a little bit longer. Thx for the update. Btw, standard departure climb at EHAM is fl60, not fl50
A perfect example, why I don't pay money for early access. I'd rather pay a higher price for a finished product, than a lower for a toy. And there is always the risk of a developer abandoning an unfinished product after they made their money.
The progress, that is clearly there and I appreciate it, is still very slow. So the FSS Embraer is still not an option for me for AT LEAST another year, probably even longer.
I feel you!
Funny thing is, this one is not even lower price. It's almost as much as the Fenix A320! Think about that lol
Nevertheless, I bought this plane and I trust in the developers that they will finish this plane. It probably will never be super high fidelity, but it's getting better and better and it's quite fun for some short hops (with more hand flying than I do usually)
Learjet 35 early access is a great biz jet though. Not every early access is bad.
@@MrNotech I remember FSS announced, that the price is lower at the beginning and will raise with the project ongoing until the final version. Still: I'll gladly pay 80€ for a good and finished product than 30€ for a glimpse of what could be.
@@lazo5784 No, definitely not. I've seen projects, that started early access and became great once released. Still, I will always wait for a final version before I buy.
I decided to purchase the FSS E-175 to see it for myself and form my own opinion. I see it as a toy, enjoyable to fly, with noticeable flaws, and okay for not serious simmers. With no FMC Direct-to LNAV, and no VNAV at all, it is not for a serious simmer. The fact that their released updates have been in really small increments, tells me that most probably, FSS bit much more than they could chew and it will be very difficult for them to create their own FMC, unless they receive help from the likes of IniBuilds, which I see as perhaps the only ones that could be interested.But I honestly believe they are stagnated in their development. However, they are still cashing in with the release of the E-195 version. I’ve shelved it together with the Aerosoft CRJ at this time.
I agree and have largely given up on these add-ons. I'm skeptical they'll ever release a proper FMC because, like you said, they seem to have gotten in over their heads. The X-Crafts versions for X-Plane are a lot more mature and can actually be operated like the real thing. If anyone is still deciding on a E-Jet, I'd highly recommend the X-Crafts variants over FSS.
I know this video was posted 3 months ago however i have recently bought this aircraft and many of your issues have been solved i think its brilliant although i originally bought the e190 and the engines would not start i followed tutorials and checklist and did nothing wrong so there’s a new on so i bought the e170/75 and works like a charm but i completely get your point as i have had other aircraft with errors and it drives me mad!
Hey! I often have the same issue with GSX where it will load endlessly. I’ve found that, to fix it, you just have to right click the Couatl icon in the system tray (little green lizard thingy) and click restart. Give it a second, then click GSX in the toolbar again. That usually solves it! Hope that helps!
Thanks! Usually that helps indeed, but recently I find that it can often just not be restarted at all anymore once the process is initiated.
@@A330Driver Ah, that’s too bad! I haven’t had that issue. I did have to reinstall it recently due to other issues, so maybe that would be another troubleshooting step for you? As annoying as that is 😤
In our company Hydraulic pump 3A ON ist part of the captains before start flow. Then the EICAS message will not show. And no, the caution light is not that bright :D:D:D
Shift+P for the default straight pushback should work as a fallback. And it seems the 142 minimum speed at least matched the yellow band on the speed tape right after takeoff. Not sure if it's supposed to do that, but at least it makes a bit of sense.
Nice review, I totally agree with your assessment. I purchased the aircraft soon after release knowing it was early release, still with bugs. 12 months later and still no VNAV....not acceptable. No way I'm doing the same with the E190/195.
Considering the >1yr it took PMDG to make a lousy EFB, I suppose I ought to curb my impatience. Purchasing the E190/195 is out of the question, though, until they fix the 170/175
Let's see your video after 2 years from release :D Maybe will be what is should. They are still far from convincing me to spend my money on it.
Thanks for saving me some money Emanuel! I was going to pick this up after the update but I'll most definately pass for now. It looks frustating to say the least.
It is…
It‘s not! It makes really fun!
Such a shame, I would love to fly the Embraer in MSFS, but by the looks of it I will have to wait much longer.
I was wondering why it kept giving me "invalid airway" errors when I try inputting my routes.
still can't input runway slope, except on the e195. I just got that and it auto populated the runway slope, and only on the 195, the 190 still doesn't allow to enter it manually.
I have to get my winds from the OFP on a separate iPad I run Navigraph on.
As much as I like this plane and it being much better than the Virtualcol e175, there are still plenty of short comings here. With the throttle calibration being one of the biggest that you didn't mention.
An issue with the MSFS flight plan system, they say it should be fixed with the Custom FMS
I believe the Embraer 175 does not have the HUD, but the 195 only have them.
ahh, that explains it of course.
Hi Emanuel, I saw in the EFB of this plane there is a “Fly aircraft from right seat” option. Is there anything related to this in the PMDG 737? Many thanks
The FSS Embraers are actually very good for the money, especially when - not if - the custom FMS and VNAV comes out. A lot of people forget that they still aren't done. And the progress is spectacular - you can't see it in this video, as Emmanuel is running two versions outdated (0.9.23 vs 0.9.25 released this morning, Feb 13, 2024) and it's brought the Custom FMS code that will eventually be used for LNAV and VNAV, but for now it's only for the ILS.
Do I sense someone one FSS‘s payslip here? 😂
The version is the one that was distributed on AerosoftOne yesterday at 9z, if that’s two versions outdated they should check their distribution channels.
I bet a hundred dollars the latest version still sucks though.
@@A330Driver Nope, I'm in no way paid by FSS - I just don't see any issue with their product. The latest update had a new set of custom ILS code introduced, which will eventually be used for the LNAV and VNAV when they finish that. There's stuff that's not done (or not done well) and that annoys me, but they make that clear when you buy the product, so I don't have any problems with it.
Seeing as the video was also released on February 13th, I seriously doubt he would have been able to get the latest version and still have time to put the video together the same day.
The latest versions have added almost nothing over the one reviewed in this video, at least nothing that would change the overall view of the product. I fully believe FSS has stagnated with this product because they've gotten in over their heads. Every update at this point only provides minimal changes to the aircraft and almost no additions to systems that ACTUALLY need it. They almost seem to just be milking their customers, especially considering the release of the 190/195. These planes have a level of systems modeling that's comparable to small general aviation aircraft, and even the stuff that is modeled, is shoddily done. I hope I'm completely wrong in this because, I too am invested in this product, but the fact stands that, aside from nice visuals, FSS doesn't have much to show after all the time they've spent on it.
@@robbyyant6213 An entirely new ILS following codeset? That's pretty important.
They haven't stopped - it may just seem that way as the big thing (cFMS) isn't out yet.
As for the release of the 190/195 before cFMS, I have spoken to the project head on this - there is one dev on the FMS + new AP, so the art/model teams would just be idle. Therefore, they have them work on the 190/195 in the mean time.
The systems which are lacking (bleed air, anti ice) are being worked on from what I've heard - and their previews of the custom FMS and VNAV give me confidence that, when it is released, the aircraft will reach a good standard - at least CRJ level.
"Running a bit late, we just doing it realistically..." :D :D :D
Did I get it correctly that the FMS does not have a direct to-function? Because I was searching for that several times now and I thought I am stupid not to find it...
It does, in pretty much the same way as Boeing FMCs do
It does - paste the waypoint you want to go direct to over the yellow text on LSK1L when on the FPL page. MSFS flightplan system stops you from doing it on departure or arrival though
Nice video as always! Just to let you know, in the phrase 'wear and tear' the words have the same sound and rhyme. You are saying tear like the thing that comes out of your eyes when you cry!
Please don't take this the wrong way! I love your videos and your English is incredible! Just a little hint as everything else is so good, you might as well get this right!
I have to admit I bought the EMB despite all the dire warnings. And I also have to admit that despite all the flaws I have quite enjoyed it. It’s certainly not great, but it’s just about good enough. I think you put your finger on it with your recent video about the absence of really good ‘planes in the sim. It’s probably getting harder to justify the cost of development time against the reward and the task is huge. I have noticed a LOT of smaller less complex aircraft recently being released and it does appear to me that developers have taken a decision to shoot lower but do a better job - and these smaller ‘planes sell for pretty high prices anyway (Tecnam is an example). I guess too that as there is more choice of ‘planes it gets harder for any one to make a killing. Will we ever see the sort of excitement that there was around the Fenix A320 again? In the meantime regarding the Embraer, is something better than nothing? Maybe. Personally I like small regional airliners so i’ m hoping the A220 will be good. And the new generation of biz jets like the Learjet 35a are a pretty good alternative in the meantime. Thanks for your coverage as ever Emanuel.
1:09:28 Das Flugzeug in seiner funktionalität erinnert mich sehr an den Fussball dieses Vereins...
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The Hud is only in the 190/195
I’ve been getting the same issues with gsx on multiple aircraft. Thought it was just me 🙃
Screens seem rather dim. Can this be changed?
Brightness controls are located on the glareshield. However I would counter your comment saying that 99% of flight sim displays are just much too bright. Even the PMDG 737 and Fenix A320 are only realistic when you turn them down to at least 50% brightness (which then mimics 100% of the real planes).
It was a pleasure seeing you struggle through this 😂. Thanks for showing us the state of the aircraft.
I purchased the E190/195 around two weeks ago. I only fly on Vatsim, and have been using the 190 since then, I really like it. I think the assessment and review is a tad unfair. Yes its got no Vnav yet after a year, and yes, a few systems need tweaking, but apart from that its quite nice. You make some great videos to help the community and put a lot of effort into this to help others, so thankyou. However, you do appear from the start of the latest review to be a tad "grumpy". I dont think you were very fair. Some of the features that you commented on do work. The "loading" page on the EFB does work, it starts boarding "if" you press the "real time" button. When you carried out your pre-flight control check you complained about the visual going hard over on the yoke, mine doesn't, mine is smooth and the yoke inputs match the visuals on the MFD. Pro pilots and content creators like yourself can have a massive influence in determining whether or not anyone buys the product. I remember when MSFS first came out, many of the airliners were jokes. It has taken FBW/Fenix/PMDG/working title a long time to improve to where they are now.
I have no ties with FSS, I just feel that your review this time was carried out in a bad mood from the start! Sorry. I will now take shelter from the incoming flak!
Totally agree. Love his videos but there seems to be an uptick in anger and frustration in reviews, which personally I don’t care for. Especially when a particular issue, sometimes pretty minor, gets continually referred to throughout the review.
Honestly, I don't think it's unfair. He doesn't tell people not to buy the thing, but he's also likely more critical in areas like he is because he's seeing it from a real pilot's perspective. It's important to be honest about the state of a product, and to also keep developers accountable for what they promise and what's delivered.
As a potential customer, I rely on videos like these to present a realistic view of the product so I can determine if it's got enough features for me to not mind the stuff that's missing or coming soon. I know a lot of the more detailed stuff can be unimportant to people who like a more casual flying experience, but others may prefer the hardcore sim aspect and want that level of detail.
I think it's just a pretty fair review with what seems to be a healthy bit of European honesty. I don't think it's up to reviewers to sugarcoat anything on behalf of developers, but for developers to make sure that they can deliver things they promise in a realistic timeframe. It's fine, at least in my opinion, to go with an "early access" model, but I feel that means you need to be quick with the updates and very public about your progress or lack of progress.
The review certainly doesn't dissuade me from wanting to grab the E-Jets when I finally grab MSFS, but I do appreciate knowing what to expect going in. There's nothing more frustrating in sims than trying to do something, thinking you might be doing it wrong and trying to troubleshoot it, only to find out you're doing it correctly, it's just not presently implemented.
Please rewrite this ... with paragraphs.
Then I will read it.
I think the FSS embaers have to be my biggest purchase regret, well aside from anything Captainscam.
In the last time you often needed to restart cuatl for gsx
“We survived the flight” lovely it says it all 😂
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V1 is due December 2024
The radios do not work in Vatsim, no VNAV and so on.... Agree with your opinion at the end of this video 1000%.... $70 dollars for a very incomplete aircraft making Asobo Default Aircraft better is JUST WRONG...
Where is this plane $70?
Lol, I feel your frustration with the programs not working great. I love the emb 175 as it's a very common aircraft for my chosen airline, Alaska, on the shorter hop flights I enjoy the most. I really hope they get this thing good enough to avoid frustration and difficulty in vatsim, not that my chosen location has much coverage. I believe the FS2024 release is meant to address many of the issues we have with product development in advanced aircraft. We haven't heard much about it yet but I also hope they can integrate some AI controllers that can handle voice like pilot2atc is building.
I wanted to add that the APU switch does seem a bit stuck on my end too, I often have to click it 5 or 6 times before it pushes over to start, so it's not just you.
I don't think there's been enough hard facts published on FS24 to make such a conclusion, right? At least I haven't read that from any of the big (or small, for that matter) developers.
@@A330Driver There was a MSFS developer video where they said the reason for creating a new version of MSFS was to address issues with 3rd party development of aircraft among other things. I believe that was all the detail we got on that as msfs 2024 details seem to be in short supply. Hope that means something.
Thank God the XCrafts version in XPlane 12 is amazing.
No it is not, sorry I really not like the mirror displays
@@bakertofly1261 Seems like a small complaint compared to the problems with FSS.
Is this the 190-195 thats is on the xbox marketplace????
No
No, do NOT buy the one in the marketplace
@@pengibuildss ok tnkx
This is 0.9.23. The latest that came out today is 0.9.25.
This is the version that was current at the time I recorded the vid, I updated immediately prior to starting the sim. That was yesterday, around 9z.
If I’d need to place a bet though: That update won’t make much of a change, it still sucks.
To say it sucks is to say you don't care about 2 patches worth of progress which means you really don't care about the state of this aircraft at all.
It's weird you have made like 9 videos on a plane that apparently sucks and you don't like. You have a strange addiction to it. And it honestly seems you have an agenda or are out to get FSS in particular.
Also again, many of the issues you have with the jet are self inflicted.
@@A330Driver The latest version 0.9.25 brought the custom autopilot for the ILS. They announced it on their discord server.
do you limit your fps at all?
No, I don’t.
I beleive the HUD is only in the E190/195
Ah, I see.
You should invest in head tracking, it is SO much better, especially in airliners with so many procedures to switch between. Tbh i actually prefer it to VR!! great vid as always
I have a head tracker here, but honestly, I don't like using it for airliners. Too much movement, too long of a time keeping my head bent over a certain direction while looking at charts, making CDU entries, etc.
@@A330Driver mapping a hotkey, to pause headtracking helps with that (i use F9, or a mouse/yoke button), and you can flatten out the curves and add flatspots so locks in looking foward, max smoothness helps a lot too, but each their own, whatever works for you!! i doubt i'll ever fly without it now. You seem pretty quick on the mouse anyways!
In my opinion this aircraft still needs alot of work. The LNAV is wonky and no VNAV. The FMS is non exisitent. The flight plans don't port over propely, you cant enter airways. For an Ejet it can only do the most basics. But Its not the worst aircraft it is the better of the Ejets on the market and at least it doesn't have the default asobo A320 cockpit like other some other aircraft.
Don’t even get me started on there customer support!!!
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Once they have vnav maybe ill buy.
I'd recommend to wait for the custom FMS at first.
Thanks for this. I have been watching your videos on this aircraft with great interest. I, like others, will keep my wallet in my pocket for the foreseeable future.
Just want to stab my eye with a pen.... no reflection on you Emanuele. However, we are not seeing the quality aircraft the sim deserves... Where's my dash 8 q 400? Thank's Emanuele, Greetings from Australia, stay safe everyone!
I think we started losing quality when everyone started switching to MSFS. Developers started to realize that larger market share (thanks to Xbox users) means they can pump out lower fidelity products for a cheaper price. Seems that a larger customer base always means that products can get cheaper and lower quality, and this isn't just the case with FlightSim. Note how sims like DCS, as niche as it is, tends to have very high quality addons. It's a direct result of the size of the customer base and the number of people willing to pay for mediocre.
@@robbyyant6213 How can you be so utterly and confidently wrong!? MSFS has really raised the level of quality we can expect from freewares where they aren't just reskins of default models, not that those don't exist right now. But can anyone really say that MSFS does not do low priced addons well? Does anyone remember the days before MSFS?
@@charlie7mason I very much do remember as I've been flying them since FS2000/x-plane 6, however, you seem to need to be reminded that very few TRUE quality passenger add-ons exist currently. Sure, most of these add-ons have functioning MCDUs but they're only a base functionality, much like the Embraer that's the topic of this video. I can only really think of 3 add-ons that could currently be considered "study-level", and those would be the PMDG 737, Leonardo MD line, and the Fenix A320. Compare this with what's offered in sims like X-Plane and DCS. Maybe I've just been spoiled by these other sims?
Also, your comment seems to have been directed at freeware, which is not in the scope of my comment.
@@charlie7masonyou’re delusional m8
man i hate these screens on the embraer FSS, why are they so shiny and have so many reflections?? thats not realistic at all, makes the cockpit look cheap
they heard you, M- and you hurt their feelings.....( they just posted a new update )
Is this the newest version? Fss planned a new update for today.
It's the version that was current at 0900z today.
Wie man im Video sieht bist Du noch auf Version 0.9.23 die neuste ist.24 und heute soll .25 rauskommen, die jetzt endlich mal custom code zum ils approach beinhaltet.
Where do I find the updates?
@@copper_115 in the aerosoft one or contrail app, wherever you bought it.
Are you using Contrail? The latest version is 0.9.25 released today. You are on 0.9.23. You can migrate your Aerosoft key to Contrail. @@A330Driver
Payware Bremen?
FSDG, yes
Not someone who owns this aircraft as I found it suspicious right from the start (saying it's going to be "study level" but basically previewing nothing which would prove that) but it feels like now would have been the proper time to enter early access with this particular aircraft instead of rushing out the other versions. Besides grabbing money there is no point to release the other ones, basically.
If they continue on this pace they might get taken over even by the not yet released freeware "Ouroboro Jets" E-Series which is in development for quite some time but quite steadily improving judging from their development updates.
The X-Crafts Ejets family in Xplane is SO far ahead of this plane it's stunning.
The Xcrafts plane is actually less detailed than the FSS one and the only reason it has vnav is because xp has a vnav by default where msfs doesn't lol
I believe you review this aircraft when you feel the need to release some tension! I like it haha
It's pretty clear he has a hate boner for this plane at this point considering he has like 10 videos/streams on it
@TimAyro haah but it's ok. As from the beginning they promised a fully functional aircraft and its still not. I never bought the erj
@@countryflyboy8255 Where'd they promise anything? You should never buy early access without understanding your money is a gamble.
@@TimAyro Last year, they said the early access version had features that were implemented when they had not, in fact, been implemented. There was a video about this, and the developers made a statement after the video had gone up.
Jesus, that's rough. Reminds me of a Captain Scam plane - looks great, but functions like dogshit. At least Captain Scam charges half of what I'm seeing this thing go for, though.
It‘s always funny when someone experienced in one thing gives experts in another field advice how wrong everything is and how easy that should be to solve…
I want to add, that the MSFS community is waiting for three years for a good, B777, A350, A330…
Some developer let us wait this years with some announcement every other month, others like FSS decided to give us a plane that is definitely not finished with bugs, but at least I have fun evening flight after a hard day of work! If I know what‘s missing I know how to handle the plane in Vatsim. Even Holds are no problem if you know that you have to do them by hand, calculating the wind.
For me, it is having fun, that‘s it.
You want a study level plane, buy Fenix A320. FSS tells you before you buy, that it is a early access. And everybody, working in the field of programming planes knows how many manpower it needs to do a Fenix plane!
But hey, what video would that have been without your complaints and how easy that should be to solve… I suggest you learn programming C++ and then after four, five years you are perhaps ready to knock on the door of FSS and help them finish the product!
Always hilarious when a non-dev tells a (very experienced) dev how to do their job, all while not doing things correctly and complaining about how it doesn't work when they don't do it right.
@@user-gf8qs1dg3w The thing is, he even did some things wrong. Reading the manual would also help. For instance importing the data from Simbrief is very simple. flight Id is the ICAO code and if you enter the destination it works fine! It‘s not a mix between ICAO and IATA.
But as many people here, He uses his video just to trash the little ones which have one who makes the textures, one who make the sound and one who writes the lines and most of them work not even 100% for this little developers…
Ahhhhh, my favorite argument! "You can't complain about something unless you can make it better" - About the most stupid argument ever. Yes, I can complain about it, if it obviously does not work. And the people who sell it need to fix it, not me. And if they do false adverts I have all the more rights to complain about it than I already have anyway.
@rangi75rehua Love it! Tells me I should read the manual when you yourself have no clue what you're talking about. But let me help you. Here's the part of the manual in question: docs.flightsim-studio.com/v/e-jet-series/normal-procedures/procedure-guide
In case you don't believe me that I read it, I even read it out aloud while doing it in the vid. Word by word ;-)
Now let's talk about its instructions. You should educate yourself about ICAO and IATA codes again. The ICAO callsign of a flight is the one used by ATC. If you check FR24 you'll find that KLM flight 1757 - the one we flew in the vid - has the following two codes: KL1757 and KLM33Q.
www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/kl1757#33fb499f
KL1757 is the IATA code and the one shown to passengers.
KLM33Q is the ICAO code and the one used for ATC purposes.
This is exactly how my simbrief flightplan was programmed as well. Here's the original used on the flight: www.simbrief.com/ofp/flightplans/EHAMEDDW_PDF_1707809652.pdf
Top left corner of the plan shows you both, ICAO and IATA codes of the plan I used.
However neither of the two works to request your route.
In the FSS Embraers you need to combine the ICAO code of the airline (KLM) with the IATA code of the flight (1757). Someone at FSS seems too dumb to distinguish between the two and mixes the ICAO designator of the airline with the IATA flight number.
If you go through the entire video I am sure you will find things I did wrong. But when accusing me of trashing a developer on purpose then the example you present should better be an accurate one.
You’re part of the problem
a lot of peoplw wants a study level 190, they ruined it for us
nah its a waste of money, no VNAV STILL????
If you had to choose, would you rather take the E170/75 or the E190/95?
Probably the 190/195 as more airlines I care about operate it.
@@A330Driver Ok thank you for your honest respone.
Feels unfair to jugde product since it clearly says early access. I can't say if I recommend or this or not at the moment. Model looks really really nice but systems are still way too buggy. I might be able to do VFR flights if I won't touch autopilot or anything. What can I say, shame on me because I did notice it says early access. I really hope this will be at least on Aerosoft CRJ level one day, then I'll be content. If not, then money well wasted. Given that they are selling this on a good price I really assume devs will keep their promises.
It’s more than a year since ‘early release’ and so many pieces, some pretty basic, are still not functional. It would seem that they are benefiting from early sales without investing in the ongoing and timely development that one expects from this kind of arrangement. Everyone will be quite wary of any future releases knowing their history with this.
Yep, this is certainly a good way to ruin a reputation. Even if the product will be finished this way of doing things will leave a stain. They are asking a rather high price at the moment, which (I though) was an indicator that this will be finished soon. I paid and learned a lesson here.
Ok your are just here for talk shit about the addon
The addon simply IS shit 😂
If you prefer watching a channel that will only say good things about addons then mine is certainly not the right one for you.
What a terrible, despicable, scam of an addon. FSS should be prosecuted under the full extent of the law. This is unacceptable
What law did they break?
@@TimAyro I guess you weren't around last year when it was initially announced, but from what I recall, they said the early access version of the airplane had a bunch of features that were implemented when they had not, in fact, been implemented, which was misleading.
The Ejet tests the wing anti ice 10 minutes after take off or at 10,000ft, hence the AI Wing VLV Open message you spoke about! Had nothing to do with icing
I Enjoy flying these ERJs, FSS Seem quite innactive but i'm probably going to be proven wrong
What do you like about them?
@@A330Driverprobably the fact that its not study level cos its easy to use lol
@@valet2972I enjoy flying it as well. Not cause its not "study level", but just because it's fun. I'm not trying to get a type rating on msfs 😂.