Susan Blackmore - Atheism's Best Arguments?
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Atheism fields two kinds of arguments denying the existence of God: arguments that refute so-called 'proofs' of God's existence and arguments that affirmatively support the truth claims of atheism. This first seeks weaknesses or fallacies in pro-God arguments; the second seeks to show why atheism alone makes sense. Different atheists offer different arguments.
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Stopped at 0:18 I am sorry but this argument is probably one of the weakest for Atheism. Religion has and still does a lot of very good in this world from charities, hosting/supporting events and bringing communities together. Saying all atheistic governments throughout history have always been loving and kind is also very VERY not true as I am sure I dont need to mention certain names and political parties.
You were right to stop it. I watched the whole thing. Nothing but weak arguments from beginning to end.
1. If your parents told you they loved you simply because of their instincts and have no choice in the matter, would you believe they loved you?
2. She uses the terms, "good" and, "better" but what objective basis does she have for those qualifications? She has no objective basis. She just says, "that's how we want to be." Well, Hitler wanted to be a certain way he thought was "good" so would she agree with his assessment of good? No, therefore must be something transcendent and apart from humanity to define what is "good" because obviously we can't depend on ourselves to define it. This goes in conjunction with her point about our instincts leading us to a moral code. Does she think all of our instincts are good? I doubt that because she mentions all the harm people have done to the world. So, if we're a flawed species (which she subtextually admits) we cannot depend on our instincts to always lead us to the good. Like I said, there has to be a principle beyond ourselves/our instincts to which we aspire; a "moral law" if you will. And if there is a moral law, there must be a moral lawgiver (which of course has to be apart from humanity)...which equals God.
3. She's saying that religious people have created a lot of conflict and use religion as a facade to make people believe they are good people. Yet, by saying this, she claims atheism is the moral path...so couldn't people just use atheism as a facade in the way people used religion?
4. Straw man. She's attacking religion, but you can be anti organized religion and still believe in God/not be an atheist. She should be attacking belief in God at all because that's what atheism means.
5. Cherry picking. She's just focusing on the harm religion has done and ignores all the good it has created for people.
6. Yes, some people use religion to be cruel, but that's not its intended purpose. To get rid of religion on that basis would be like saying get rid of computers because people use them for porn. The bible teaches humility and meekness, so don't discount the bible because some people misuse it.
7. "When people are frightened, they will turn to something that will make them feel better." You mean like when people think they might be going to hell, they turn to atheism and not believe in hell at all. It works both ways so it's a moot point. Also, Christianity doesn't exactly make us feel better. It teaches that we're all sinners and gives commandments that aren't exactly easy to follow.
8. Pointless universe? Let me quote C.S. Lewis. "If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning: just as if there were no light in the universe and therefore no creatures with eyes, we should never know it was dark. Dark would be without meaning."
9. Why does evolution discount God? Can't evolution be seen as God's process of refining his creations?
10. Scientist posit that it is irrational to believe in anything that cannot be experienced through the senses, yet they obviously believe in rationality which cannot be experienced through the senses.
Easiest conversation we've had.
5:11 “Religion here in Europe has just been gently going away. Lovely! And now it seems to be coming back in this… horrible way with the Christian fundamentalist in the States. Islam.. burgeoning all over the place…”
Death throes!?
_"there is no God, but don’t tell that to my servant, lest he murder me at night?"_ - Voltaire
That quote reflected Europe's former disposition. It no longer applies today.
@@fishoutofmind4943 In your opinion. The reality is that the reason the irreligious underclass janitor doesn't rise up and murder the wealthy banker at the Mercedes dealership is because of a Judeo-Christian ethos still running in the background of his Psychological Operating System.
Once that OS fully erodes (and it is) you will have the collective sentiment expressed in the recent Joker movie. Get ready.
@@bebeezra Anybody who gets his moral values from a Hollywood movie must not be taken seriously.
@@fishoutofmind4943 You can strawman better than that can't you?
The reason the Joker movie is shattering box office & attendance records for an R-rated flick is not because people are looking for a Hollywood movie to provide them with morals as you so elequently strawmaned.
They are flocking to movies like this because it eerily reflects and captures deep zeitgeist of class resentment already boiling in the collective psyche of an evergrowing herd of the underclass.
@@bebeezra Like the Joker, you need to get laid. Then maybe, just maybe, your view of the underclass will get off its ass, grow some balls, and take life on the chin. Otherwise, you're just another weakling brimming with gripes.
She believes that she can live her life meaningfully only in denial of God. If, as the Bible claims, her being was given by God (to her surprise) and her life can be meaningful only in God, she's in trouble.
She is confuing atheism with humanism.
Did religion start WW I & II ?
Triggered?
@@jncojoshua And you see no between Christians and Christianity? Hitler was a racist and WW2 was between different races for the purpose of geographical dominance. Churches in France and England also were aligned with their armies.
By replacing religion with atheism she reinvent the religion.
True that is humanism not atheism.
Confusing*
It seems as if she doesn't think much about it: every argument is quite shallow and banal, the average teenage atheist can do better. I hear lots of emotion and feelings, not much thinking and reasoning. Poor contribution.
That’s what I got from her. But it seems she’s being champion as someone who is speaking logical.
@@blackscreennoiseforrelaxat1517 Give her a break! I have heard many illogical arguments from Christians who think nothing of turning to emotion and feelings for answers. Hers at least ring true, though perhaps not the strongest. For some strange reason (maybe masochistic?) most women defend Christianity...their misogynist god.
Sometimes the simplest answers are the best ones... What would you rather her do? Create something where there is nothing ? I know some people who do that....
@@MikeKing-ei4cl She was asked for arguments for atheism. Her answers, basically: "Religion is bad. We can do without. I don't like religions".
Do you think these are the best answers to that question?
Agreed!
So many on here calling her arguments weak and simple, what would you rather her do? Create something where there is nothing like you do ? How is this for complex, you all go and decide on which God you believe in and tell us, y'all confusing as hell.
You need to study religion and history seriously. She could do serious comparative analysis of countries, cultures, and various religious eras. She's just making extremely superficial comments. I myself am a skeptic and kind of glad she's been successful. If being this dumb allowed her to make a living I should be pretty well of in the future lmao
@@thomasmuandersontheneousul4184 Unfortunately those "superficial" comments are all true. Debate wars between conflicting faiths and cultures can get so messy so fast its almost impossible not to generalize.
The worst atrocities, in history, were done by atheists:
Stalin - 20 million deaths
Mao Tse-Tung - up to 77 million deaths
Hitler (causing WWII) - ~20 million deaths
Pol Pot - up to 3 million deaths
Tito - 500,000 deaths
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But, Sure! Atheism guarantees peace!
You are very dumb.
@@sahelanthropusbrensis And you are very mature 😁
@@sahelanthropusbrensis He just pointed FACTS , narrow minded fella !!!
This is old fallacy now that has been refuted many times: Noone kills because they don't believe in something, they do it for what they *do* believe in often some irrational ideology like communism, nazism or some fundamentalist religion. People who crash into tall buildings don't do it because they don't believe in Allah do they?
@@roqsteady5290 but people who don't believe in God still believe in other things so it doesn't seem to reduce the amount of violence.
“You can lead a better life as an athiest” ....so cringey. Worst argument.
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There is no evidence for man made Gods...why should I morally brown nose some untestable Deity who couldn't even stop Auschwitz...she is merely being rational...we don't need Gods for good behaviour and meaning!
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There is no evidence for man made Gods...why should I morally brown nose some untestable Deity who couldn't even stop Auschwitz...she is merely being rational...we don't need Gods for good behaviour and meaning!
If one is religious they wastes some measure of time in prayer and ritual, time that could be better spent actually doing real measurable good.
First she said religion is harming humanity then she said this universe is pointless.
You can believe there's no ultimate meaning to stuff and still be saddened by pain and suffering
@@redmattuk The fact that we think there shouldn't be suffering in the world, shows that there is an ultimate meaning.
@@BerishaFatian how? I'd argue that it shows the opposite, pain is a pointless consequence of cosmic chaos!
@@redmattuk So you're okay with millions of people dying from starvation and diseases??
@@redmattukwe wouldn’t understand pointlessness unless we knew what meaning is.
“Nothing causes more division, hatred and backwardness than religion.” (Paulo Bittencourt)
Her arguments are pretty awful to be fair. Communist regimes, fascist regimes committed some of the worst atrocities ever. Cruelty is part of the human condition. She blames religion, and yet, religion places far more value on human life. Dawkins talked about getting rid of babies with Downs Syndrome for crying out loud.
Humans will always take something, and use it to commit cruel things to one another.
To be fair?
100% disagree!
That's the worst answer I've ever heard. Atheists will have an easier time by not believing in God. Wow, what a logical explanation. How about God knew beforehand how one would hate the other over a belief in him. " Do not think I came to bring peace, I came to bring a sword ". A mother will go against her daughter. A father against his son. Your enemies will be those of your own household. God knew that there would be hate in regards to believing in him. He knew your friend or mother would believe, and that would cause strife between the two. No we don't need God to be morally good. But I can look at all the evil in the world and honestly say most aren't morally good. God looked down from Heaven and said " not one person does good ". He is absolutely correct in that statement. Humans are not basically morally good, their evil in their deeds. Whether it be selfishness, lustfulness, hatred of fellow men, cruel to animals, liars, thieves, unforgiving, boastful. Humans are severley lacking in the morally good Dept.
Right most people are not morally good, but given that is the case it hardly supports the contention that there is perfectly loving and all powerful god who made it like this, does it? We can't say for sure that god or fairies or leprechauns don't exist, but all you need to do is look around you and notice that we have better naturalistic explanations for why things are as they are.
Some very good points and fears!
I thought she was being ironic at the start and lampooning atheists but she was actually fully serious lolll
If your parents said they loved you simply because it’s their instinct and they have no choice in the matter, would you feel loved?
Susan, I'm so happy I have discovered you.😊
So you have to be an atheist not to live and let live? Do you judge every athiest by the actions of other atheist?
How can a being that can define purpose has no purpose at all?
You can say that about a lot of things.
How can a beeing that can define teleportation not be capable of it?
Its a strange question. Atheism is the rejection of the god proposition because of lack of evidence. For me, there is only one question that matters on this topic: do you want to believe as many things as possible that are true or not? If you do, then you need a consistent way of testing and validating propositions like “god” in the same way as you would other propositions such as say, an email from a Nigerian Prince telling you he has £20 million for you if you just send him £200.
Lovely! Like in Stalin's Russia. Atheism was an essential plank in Stalin's entire ideology and his rule was the most mass murderous, torturing , forced famined nightmare in history. Second only to the regime of that other enthusiastic atheist Mao Tse tung in China.
Atheists try to say the two Communists were not atheists, yes! like it looks like a duck, it walks like a duck,it even quaks like a dusk but ut's not really a duck. Pull the other one.
If you want to know what a God free country looks like study Stalin's Russia or read 'Mao's Great Famine' by Professor Frank Dicotter, about Mao's atheist China.
I am only beginning to study Russia seriously now and no Stalin created a pseudoreligion and personality cult. Stalin was an "atheist" only in the sense of being anti-Christian but the "Communist" regime very much tapped into religious sentiment. I disagree with Rand a lot but she was right Russians are susceptible to mysticism and Stalin and now Putin show this.
Stalin combined militaristic pragmatism with cult leader practices and aggressive pseudo-religious stigmata. To say altogether he was an atheist or Hitler was is false. Almost every aspect of their methods and implementation were dogmatic in their approach. Worship me, my party, and my beliefs or I will burn you and your family alive in your home. How do you think emperor Constantine spread his newfound love and devotion for Christianity? hugs?
@@zaxbitterzen2178 But he didn't believe in God . He borrowed some religious methods, tactics and paraphernalia ,but he was an atheist.
@@zaxbitterzen2178 But then the shared issue is tolerance. An atheist can be intolerant, a theist can be ... etc. It seems odd to fixate on 'belief' per se - it seems the real issue is tolerance
PS I am well aware of the very real examples of religious leader coercing people
@@thomasmuandersontheneousul4184 This is very true. I think the key difference is that most established atheist's worth their salt have more realistic tolerances than devout religious practitioners. Like the term "bigotry" is far far more prevalent in the religious community since the basis of faith, doctrine, belief etc... is so prominent. Im not saying Atheist's can't be bigoted, but the scales are definitely tipped more-so in the other direction. It's almost an international consensus at this point.
What about all the good in the world BECAUSE of religion.
It’s true that you can do good by laying.
Without religion, which is highly divisive, people would likely come together for different reasons. In the UK, as church congregations decline, we are starting to reuse churches for secular community activities that don't exclude those people with different beliefs to your own. In the past religions have had a practical monopoly due to their coopting of community funds and practice of mind control (threat of hell etc). And maybe we are still struggling to shake that off.
@Zeke Bean You have a point, religions have a proven carrot and stick formula that is difficult to replicate. Maybe we need to find a way of replacing the stick with more carrots. As to the Scots, they are past all redemption, except that they do have rather good whisky :).
She claims there can’t be a God because of all the evil in the world but also claimed that humans have evolved to be cooperative/good to each other. Very big contradiction.
So good to hear someone talking sense and using critical thinking Hallelujah
Is that a Freudian slip?
Um did you really mean to add "god be praised"? The reason I ask is that you seem to be uttering two statements at odds with each other. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are just emerging from a Pentecostal denomination of some sort, in which case congrats. :))
I don't agree that religion is the cause of petty disagreements that lead to conflict and war. Yes, petty disagreements are the cause, but that will happen with or without religion because it is caused by competitive egos and not religion perse
She can attack organized religion all she wants, but such arguments and opinions have nothing whatsoever to do with the possible existence or non-existence of a supernatural being.
I totally agree way too many Religious people don’t even want to obey their God or be good people like Christ would want us to be but rather just wanna fight Atheists and others who disagree with their view and that’s just horrible ❤
Amen.
@Ad Lockhorst RAmen
@Ad Lockhorst Awomyn.
Susan doesn't realize anti-religion is the most divisive stance to hold.
She's not anti religion, she's an atheist
@@MikeKing-ei4cl Same difference.
I find the world to be a very mysterious thing. Religion at least helps us confront that mystery, which is finally beyond the scope of science or reason. But I can totally understand why someone would see any religion as a “solution” we’d be better off without. But “the increasing power of science” has nothing to do with this-as David Bentley Hart says in his interview on this channel, that’s a category error. Science deals with material causation: religion simply doesn’t.
She has written very lively stuff on Out of Body Experiences, and has done her homework. A useful hardworking rationalist. I think the best argument against Theism is that it doesn't really make any difference if there is a God or not. It doesn't change what we know about the world. Next question, please...
Exactly, it's mostly about what happens in your aftetlife
We have no need or that hypothesis
Of course there is an afterlife. Read my book on the subject.
She hit the nail on the head!!!
There is simply no way to switch all people from being religious to Atheism.
The internet will put a massive dent in the numbers given enough time.
We just have to spread the technology & wait for a few generations to die off.
@@donaldmcronald8989 I'll be dead by then...
Why would I care?
@@ahmedp800 A society grows great when old men plant trees under whose shade they know they will never sit.
That will never happen, but atheism becoming the majority is the future.
Well, this is certainly an indictment of human religious tendencies... kind of boiling it down to, so few people seem to have good religious behavior, that it therefore seems reasonable to avoid the whole thing altogether. (I'll admit to feeling that way about coffee for a long time.)
Of course that would also negate the possibility of having any profound religious experiences too. Don't want to feel God's Love? No problem... you certainly won't if you don't want it. But it would be like going thru life never having eaten ice cream... Perhaps not essential to your day to day survival, but oh what a missed opportunity! But if you didn't believe, and you got resurrected anyway... would you be pleased or pissed?
Doesn’t science state that religion is built in to the brain, that’s why every culture has it? And Doesnt a religion provide a delusion and hasnt science proven that being non-delusion is more accurate but people who live in a delusion Are happier? So what are you gonna do gravitate towards that which makes you happy or live in reality?
Our thanks go to Bobby and Suzie for the dumbest dialogue since the Big Bang. Could you two possibly do a video on the dangers of reading a book once in a while?
Maybe you should try reading more than one book.
@@Tom_Quixote Wow, what an inventive comeback, Tom!
It was a smart dialogue that didnt involve regurgitating bronze age myths from an old book of fairy tales.
@@petyrkowalski9887 Now there is something we expect to hear from the pig-ignorant illiterate! 👍
she is right, atheism is the best approach , and God is agreed with that
God would be an atheist
@@user-ny7sg9mz1v If he existed.
Honestly, it is hard to believe the input of a person about one of the biggest questions of philosophy with superficial statements that insinuate that she never even traveled (with her mind nor body) outside Europe in her lifetime. Also, I can't understand how an understatement like atheism is confused with an actual statement provided by religion or humanism....
These are simplistic arguments based on presumptions, such as morality can just exist on its own. We have morals that evolved? And how is that based on the Darwinian concept of survival of the fittest and mutation. You can’t take that for granted just because you want to believe it all came from nothing.
Some times the simplest answers are the best ones
@@MikeKing-ei4cl Simplistic answers are for simplistic people. Atheists will never be able to explain how everything that exists came from nothing.
@@AK-up3hx I don’t believe everything came from nothing. Im inclined to believe in either some sort of eternal multiverse or cyclical cosmology. As for morality, we are a social species and it is dangerous to do something that harms the group and gets you thrown out or harms people you rely on.
@@spectrepar2458 An eternal multiverse or cyclical universe both don't answer the problem of infinite regression or the contingency argument. Beyond that they both contradict the somewhat accepted view of the universe having a starting point that accelerated and expanded. If it's infinite it can't be expanding at the same time.
If you're basing morality on the group, then there's no intrinsic justice or value for literally anything. Why would someone not commit a crime that no one will ever find out? It leads to the conclusion that a human being's life is the equal to that of a rock. They are all made up of the same matter just rearranged right. The concept of love, art, dreams, euthanasia, a soul or a life, beauty; none of it means anything. No one has seen a mind, we have no proof it exists, it's outside of a naturalistic world view.
If you're interested or don't think I've explained well, have a watch of something like this from Efdawah, ruclips.net/video/POaI1NC7xvk/видео.html or join one of their livestreams and pose your challenges to them. These guys from TAP channel get pretty deep into the philosophy as well, ruclips.net/video/4mFxkJZlRx8/видео.html No joke, there are tons of better resources than what this lady and many like her are pushing. Good luck.
Good!
Why is she sad people are religious if “this is a pointless universe”?
She's sad because people are willing to harm others in the name of something that's fake.
@@jaimonsmith9826 : Spot on. :-)
Jaimon Smith Prove it’s fake
@@blackscreennoiseforrelaxat1517 : It's actually the other way around, you're one of those aknowledging and claiming what you're claiming what you're believing is being true, but if you can't show it's being true it might being fake, but somehow you're one of those claiming it to be true i guess but still being unable of showing it being true, right, unless faith, right, because of feelings and reasons, right?
Fredrik Sundberg stfu and prove it's fake lol. Everything you said is a strawman, he doesn't have the burden of proof because he never made a single statement to require the burden of proof. The person who claims it IS fake does, however. It's not the other way around lol.
”soMeHOw yOu’RE oNe oF thOSe clAImiNg it To BE trUE”
^ he never claimed that. Strawman argument.
”iT’S ACtuALly the OThEr wAY aRoUnD”
^ red herring fallacy because he never said anything along the lines of it being true or not, all he asked was evidence of god being fake.
Lol, try watching those Christopher Hitchens debates a little closer and you'll notice he’ll only ask the burden of proof when something is stated without evidence to support the claim. Now, instead of dodging the question, answer it.
She’s basically saying I’m afraid to believe in anything. To commit. To stand up for myself. I’m afraid to believe even in myself. I don’t want to know peace. I don’t want to know the meaning of anything. I just want to be. And I think you should be ok with just being too. I think she’s a coward. I think something has happened to her to make her deathly afraid, of nearly everything
quite the opposite, she is a free thinker
Because she won't believe in your contradictory voodoo nonsense? lol
I absolutely agree! Someone or something has hurt her. Communism preached atheism for the good of society. Look at how that turned out. Humanity is the issue. Not religion.
@@alistairdarby You dont get to separate the two im afraid. Religion has hurt more people than any war we can recollect. If not the wanton death, and dogma the indoctrinated distrust that leeches into peoples minds for centuries to millennia.
Religions kill people worldwide on a regular basis, it's denial and removal represents true enlightenment.
“Constant orgies”
“Well, I might do that”
😍 I love her
Why do you use religion as your reason to discredit the belief in [a] god or an afterlife? Why can't you use logic and critical reasoning. I look at it this way. What are the probabilities that a design intelligence doesn't exist? In my opinion, infinitesimally small. You would then have to assume that the complexity of life and the universe was just an incredible random act and I don't buy into this multiverse idea that our critically finally tuned universe just happened to "win the lottery" so to speak for our universe to exist as it does...that is a more preposterous reasoning than the belief in fairies as Richard Dawkins argued against the existence of a god.😂😂😂
Ok, atheist get rid of religious conflicts... but what about soccer?
What is the difference?
The football war? ;-)
What about the expansion of China and the Soviet Union.
There isn't a spiritual bone in her body.
People aren't frightened -- they 're stupid.
I saw a debate Richard Dawkins vs jared diamond n diamond defends religion n makes some compelling arguments none based on truth
Well said Susan, atheism is the closest to reality, no more godly fairy tales ...
God does not exist because religion caused damage? who suports that as a sound argument againt god?
What about the damage made by someone who does not believe in God? Would that prove atheism is wrong?
Please interview an atheist philosopher especialized in this type of discussion. Not any disbeliever for that is a hindrance to atheism itself as well as any believer with his little book is a hindrance to deep theosophy.
One more thing.. .this talk about "absolute" and all that ...its actually a nice attribute to serial killers like ted bundy i guess
Serial killers have always existed in an almost totally religious population, such as America is today.
@@anrose8335 Tribesman (they believe in God) never have a serial killer.
more of susan's best arguments and new debate...ruclips.net/video/SzuOqo-QJKI/видео.html
"The god of the bible is not real" -- Me
Ipse dixit is you.
Any god or goddess is not real - Me.
I don't have to prove my statement seeing as how the religious people think they don't have to prove their god exists.
I do have at least one advantage though: I don't have to begin yet another religion and then kill a conquered people in order to force them to believe it, as indicated in the Bible, and in Christian and Hadith (Muslim) histories.
@@anrose8335
You are still citing your opinion as fact; this is not a proper argument. I never asked or hinted that you need to prove your statement, but your claim lacks value without support. There are many types of religious people of which the most adamant are atheists and evolutionists. The example of your advantage is a straw-man argument which introduces an impossible scenario in order to elevate your morality over different beliefs. I know very little about Muslim stories, but I can assure you that the verdict you give to the God of the Bible is not correct in as far as your accusation. You can choose to reply or remain reticent and your opinion is not factual while your arguments are fallacious.
The God of the Bible is completely Sovereign over his creation, and he is love and merciful, but also Holy and Just. That's the problem you have with the God of the Bible, he is Holy and Just and judges us for the wickedness we do, and you like to sin. You dislike God for the same reason a criminal dislikes a police officer
Sure, people in North Korea have a better life
I've read this lady's work, specifically with respect to NDE's, and have found her lack of research and familiarity with data to be shocking.
She is ill-qualified to talk about atheism or even any other ideologies because she doesn't have any relevant points.
I'd rather listen to someone like Stephen Fry, who I don't believe is an atheist, I actually think he believes in a god but is angry with him/her, but he can make intelligent and funny arguments.
To be fair, she's just a writer and not really bound by any restrictions. She basically got "published" by people already friendly to her viewpoints. As far why she is so weak - when you just repeat an echo chamber you aren't forced to be "good" at arguments or even know the data
I think JS Mill was right and we need to allow the fullest free discussion
Even bad arguments benefit us. So there ya go
@@thomasmuandersontheneousul4184 but the issue is that people on the so called side of 'science' reference her repeatedly even though her approach is the most anti-scientific and biased I've ever seen.
So, I disagree with you there, because these same people will question and try to poke holes through research that backs NDE's or consciousness external from the brain, which creates a double standard.
@@cdb5001 Well some people in the science people are fairly lazy but I think overall the strong people Penrose win out
I ironically I know someone into OBEs I will ask him to look at her work WITH caution
I am glad people are alerting me to her ... flaws. But I am just as against anti-science cherry picking
@@thomasmuandersontheneousul4184 good to see.
I love it but it does fascinate me when people think anyone who believes in god must be either dumb or scared or a combination of the two lol
Scared yes! Of the concept of the Christian hell...burning forever after death!!! And that's not funny for anyone who was indoctrinated to believe it.
@@anrose8335 Yes but hell is not like that. So that's the individuals fault for believing that.
@@armandoc.3150 1) Have you been? How would you know? 2) A majority of christians believe in a literal lake of fire, a place of burning torture for eternity so it isn't the individual who is wrong, it is you who don't agree with your religion.
@@User-pw3pu Uh dont need to go to know it but you understand what kind of picture it paints but just like heaven you dont go against the 2nd commandment and start imagining what these things are.
Secondly, it doesnt matter what the majority thinks, I dont think mob mentality. Majority of Christian's also dont read their bible and claim validity and credibility based on how many followers they have, false standards. The point is what did jesus teach about hell and that's not it chief. Hell is a religious power play to scare you into submission.
99.9% are stupid people. A small ninority have no balls to admit they are not really believers.
God is a conclusion from people who do not understand reality
@MrJayguess have fun with your illusion
@MrJayguess Well just show me the proof of your god! Let us see what happens.
Would you like to continue the conversation in Chinese, Japanese or Indonesia, French, German or Dutch?
@MrJayguess a primitive description of reality. Show me the proof,!
@MrJayguess where is your proof?
@MrJayguess complete and utter nonsense, if you could prove the existence of god you would not be talking to me, again you lack proof, tired of your simple mind set
Most of her critiques are the same ones Jesus spoke of. Just saying.
Armando7654 solid argument
I heard her..I've never heard Jesus say a damned thing.. of the things he was RUMORED to have said, NONE of them mirrored hers...Just sayin.
You mean what Mark spoke of, really with some emendation by Mathew and later authors. Credit where credit is due.
@@roqsteady5290 Right.
From start to finish, very weak... mark this one as not to be taken seriously
Evolutionary biology provides us with a perfectly clear and unequivocal canon by which to live, and which set of precepts are exquisitely and powerfully transcendent far above that of any religion.
At least evolutionary biology does so if rightly elaborated .... SEE BELOW !!!
Hmmh. Well evolution has given us the tools for living as a social species, such as empathy and compassion, arising it is thought from evolutionary principles such as reciprocal altruism and kin selection. Is that what you meant?
Roq Steady All socialite is built on the first bond - the mother infant bond
@@margrietoregan828 Not really, peer bonding to carry out tasks better undertaken by several people, such as hunting was likely also an important factor in developing societies... among other things.
It cracks me up when people like you think evolution has intention !!!
@@roqsteady5290 Nope. Mothers came first. (the egg not the chicken) :)
Susan has a clear secular mind for sure, not like some hypocrite god-believers and apologists.
You’re wonderful Susan love you and may your life be wonderful ❤🔥👏
Probably the most infantile argument against the existence of God ive seen for a while.
Infantile is the concept of the Christian hell threatened to nonbelievers by the Christian god.
@@anrose8335 why is the idea of the existence of hell impossible?
It surprises me that a woman who is so we'll educated and a scientist to boot, thinks there is no meaning or purpose to life, when everything else in the universe has meaning and purpose wether she likes it or not!
She's referring to ultimate purpose, not the purpose of arms and eyes and wings and things.
@@donaldmcronald8989 so am I.
So religions make up a purpose and force people throughout history to believe it.
@@gerardmoloney9979 Well you are wrong then.
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So the universe created itself out of nothing.
Shade the Bible at your own peril. Of the 2500 Bible prophecies 2000 have came true the other 500 are in the future. Here is one about the future that may interest you.
Revelation 16:12
The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up, to prepare the way for the kings from the east.
I will let you discern for yourself if the Euphrates river is really going dry.
Pathetic excuses
If you listen to this backwards ....you hear it .......Backwards !
Oh sure, take for granted all the gains we have experienced in our civilization that exist in part, due to the presence of religion in the lives of those who wrought those changes, and then write them off in today's society as though they meant nothing...
Yes, infighting among the various sects, whether Christian, or Muslim, or Jewish, are a big turn-off. It would seem that any gathering of people can result in political differences, often cloaked as religious, such that they are at each other's throats. When that happens, their religion has failed them. And frankly, if all I had was the Bible to serve as my base, it would be a weak base indeed. But now that we have a new revelation (The Urantia Book) a lot of these arguments fall apart.
Such weak arguments and shallow perspective. This is atrocious to listen to. Closer to truth should step up the quality of interviewees.
Shallow? Not in the least. Use your head for something other than a hat rack.
I dont like religion so God does not exist?
Argument fail . Massively.
Which god doesn't exist and which gods do exist that you're not liking them existing by default making them evil just because you're not liking them existing, yes?
I believe the bible so god exists?
The best atheist-Christian debate was between Keith Ward and Michael Ruse on the Unbelievable show. In it Michael Ruse was honest enough to admit that we are just fizzing molecules and have as much value as a table leg.
Value to what? Likely the universe doesn't care one way or another, so we have to be content with being valuable to each other.
This person has not idea about life.
This person meaning yourself?
@@anrose8335 No.