There are very few sellers I trust at their word. I've had good friends sell me a dangerous horse. It doesn't seem to bother them to do it... or maybe they weren't really my friend.
Ryan Rose has helped me take my horsemanship to the next level and I am so appreciative of his openness and availability when I have a problem. He led me to your channel and now I am learning so much about reining! I love it. I have an up and coming VRH horse (2.5 years old)- I started him with Ryan's program and your channel is helping me unlock new maneuvers with him! Thank you!
So appreciate your insights. Clients need trainers who tell the truth. Their life can literally depend on it. It is truly sad to see someone so excited to get a horse that ends up as a train wreck.
My oldest daughter bought a cute little dun gelding once and that day it was perfect. We rode him at the house and even tracked a Burford self-propelled roping sled with zero issues. The next day, the horse was totally different. I'm not sure he wasn't scared of grass. After a few incidents and injuries to other people, I spent a few months working with him to try to get him to the type of horse my daughter wanted. I came to the conclusion that wasn't what this horse was going to be. He didn't pick up training super fast, but mostly he just wasn't going to be a horse that you could just sit on. He was good to ride, but you had to be riding him the whole time. Some horses are just that way.
Thank you for showing that even professionals need help sometimes. It’s also hard, at least in my area to find a professional that will help you find a horse if you are not in their training/coaching program.
Looking from trainers point of view (despite not being a trainer) they need to match horse to the person. If they are not training you, they can only go by your own evaluation of yourself. People rarely provide complete honest self evaluations. So pro wants to know person before matching to a horse.
My wife bought a horse and we are in situation described. He wants to work often, but we only ride on weekends. As an older inexperienced and timid rider he’s more than I can safely handle until he settles down. Last time I rode him I thought he’d settled but things got western (by my mild standards). Nothing I couldn’t handle - a few dozen tight loops and he paused in the hopping. I think he’d be a great horse in right situation. Probably could even be a lesson horse IF he worked every day or even every other day. However my wife fell in love with him ending all option to trade him for a lazier horse.
@@horsetrainingpro - Absolutely. Last Saturday it took effort to slow him to canter on the lunge line. As beginning rider I still struggle with trot - so I did not mount him as I anticipated run away situation. That run on Saturday was enough to make him far easier Sunday - lunged him some thirty minutes then went for a ride and other than jumping a couple times in at beginning he behaved fairly well. I suspect part of his problem is in contradictory instructions as I’ve got a long ways to go to having proper seat and he’s very responsive to seat control. Add heavy hands and he gets annoyed for good reasons.
People are funny! On one hand most people purchase what they fall in love with, not necessarily the horse they really need. Sometimes people don't have much flexibility with their budget. Most times people refuse to be receptive to a Professionals advice. Really most buyers should physically in person look at a minimum of 10 horses, then seek professional advice about choosing the best one of the 10 that fits best in their budget. Then some sellers don't have a legitimate grasp on horse values & seem to pull pricing out of thin air! Great content thanks for sharing, there are a lot of people out there that could really benefit from this info.
Great points but easier said than done. I see the online world making sellers more money but it doesn’t make it necessarily better for buyers. Auctions by their nature force quick decisions. It may be financially undoable to fly around the country to see 10 horses. Unfortunately there are a lot of unscrupulous sellers out there
Great video. I follow Ryan. He is a great horseman. I have a horse very similar to the one you both are talking about here at my farm. I’m in the process of restarting him and the struggle is real. I can completely relate to this video 😊
About that sale video -- having seen the parts of it in Horse Training Pro's original upload of his video about this horse -- the thing is, the horse DID flinch. Yes, they showed him doing some difficult stuff, but he was not calm at all.. he was visibly tense and enduring it. Edit to add: continuing to watch, I see Ryan addresses this a bit later ;~)
Thanks for bringing me out! It was great riding with you.
There are very few sellers I trust at their word. I've had good friends sell me a dangerous horse. It doesn't seem to bother them to do it... or maybe they weren't really my friend.
Ryan Rose has helped me take my horsemanship to the next level and I am so appreciative of his openness and availability when I have a problem.
He led me to your channel and now I am learning so much about reining! I love it. I have an up and coming VRH horse (2.5 years old)- I started him with Ryan's program and your channel is helping me unlock new maneuvers with him! Thank you!
That’s so awesome! Happy to help and very grateful to also have Ryan as a resource
I follow both these trainers and love their techniques and kindness to the horses. To see them together is exciting!
So appreciate your insights. Clients need trainers who tell the truth. Their life can literally depend on it. It is truly sad to see someone so excited to get a horse that ends up as a train wreck.
Happens too often. Thank you for your comment
My oldest daughter bought a cute little dun gelding once and that day it was perfect. We rode him at the house and even tracked a Burford self-propelled roping sled with zero issues. The next day, the horse was totally different. I'm not sure he wasn't scared of grass. After a few incidents and injuries to other people, I spent a few months working with him to try to get him to the type of horse my daughter wanted. I came to the conclusion that wasn't what this horse was going to be. He didn't pick up training super fast, but mostly he just wasn't going to be a horse that you could just sit on. He was good to ride, but you had to be riding him the whole time. Some horses are just that way.
Thank you for showing that even professionals need help sometimes. It’s also hard, at least in my area to find a professional that will help you find a horse if you are not in their training/coaching program.
Looking from trainers point of view (despite not being a trainer) they need to match horse to the person. If they are not training you, they can only go by your own evaluation of yourself. People rarely provide complete honest self evaluations. So pro wants to know person before matching to a horse.
My wife bought a horse and we are in situation described. He wants to work often, but we only ride on weekends. As an older inexperienced and timid rider he’s more than I can safely handle until he settles down. Last time I rode him I thought he’d settled but things got western (by my mild standards). Nothing I couldn’t handle - a few dozen tight loops and he paused in the hopping.
I think he’d be a great horse in right situation. Probably could even be a lesson horse IF he worked every day or even every other day. However my wife fell in love with him ending all option to trade him for a lazier horse.
Do you longe him before you ride him?
@@horsetrainingpro - Absolutely. Last Saturday it took effort to slow him to canter on the lunge line. As beginning rider I still struggle with trot - so I did not mount him as I anticipated run away situation. That run on Saturday was enough to make him far easier Sunday - lunged him some thirty minutes then went for a ride and other than jumping a couple times in at beginning he behaved fairly well. I suspect part of his problem is in contradictory instructions as I’ve got a long ways to go to having proper seat and he’s very responsive to seat control. Add heavy hands and he gets annoyed for good reasons.
Bottom line: Sellers LIE…..ask all you want, but take their answers with a grain of salt and look for proof
People are funny! On one hand most people purchase what they fall in love with, not necessarily the horse they really need. Sometimes people don't have much flexibility with their budget. Most times people refuse to be receptive to a Professionals advice. Really most buyers should physically in person look at a minimum of 10 horses, then seek professional advice about choosing the best one of the 10 that fits best in their budget. Then some sellers don't have a legitimate grasp on horse values & seem to pull pricing out of thin air! Great content thanks for sharing, there are a lot of people out there that could really benefit from this info.
Agreed. Thank you!
Great points but easier said than done. I see the online world making sellers more money but it doesn’t make it necessarily better for buyers. Auctions by their nature force quick decisions. It may be financially undoable to fly around the country to see 10 horses. Unfortunately there are a lot of unscrupulous sellers out there
You 2 are awesome personalities.
So sweet, thank you!
Great video. I follow Ryan. He is a great horseman. I have a horse very similar to the one you both are talking about here at my farm. I’m in the process of restarting him and the struggle is real. I can completely relate to this video 😊
About that sale video -- having seen the parts of it in Horse Training Pro's original upload of his video about this horse -- the thing is, the horse DID flinch. Yes, they showed him doing some difficult stuff, but he was not calm at all.. he was visibly tense and enduring it. Edit to add: continuing to watch, I see Ryan addresses this a bit later ;~)
Are there more videos to this horses journey?
There are so many shysters in the horse industry unfortunately.
Is there a video of you getting on that fractious horse?
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Maybe sounds strange, but with respect to the horse.. Chating on the horse is disrespectfull to do! Only whatch them. Sorry!