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@@WorldofAntiquity Hello There , For context about Mother Saraswathi , Saraswathi devi is mother of knowledge and one of the main deity in the trinity. Shiva-Paravathi(destruction),Lakshmi-Narayna(maintainance),Bramha-Saraswathi(creation). So why Mother saraswathi descended on earth being the main deity ? Mata saraswathi descended on earth due to a curse in argument with matha lakshmi and ganga , where mata saraswathi got curse to stay on earth as river (which is boon for humans as knowledge in the area got increased),later shiva gave boon that ganga descents on earth in the saraswathi river and mata saraswathi can return back(river drying up). curse for mata lakshmi is to get kidnapped by demon(ramayana),curse for ganga is to leave vaikuntam from narayan feet(where ganga originated) to bramha lok then eventually on earth
As a linguist, I appreciate this :) If Sanskrit had never been written down, but had simply evolved orally into the modern Indic languages, we could still get by, but we'd be missing a lot of detail in the reconstruction of Proto-Indo-European.
I wonder if similar holds true of the Gathas for Parsees. Historical linguists are nuts for them. Parsees would venerate the Gathas only inasmuch as they're part of the Avesta
@@WorldofAntiquity dude.. stop propagating lies . Oldest surviving copy of rigveda is from 1464 AD. And the sanskrit language developed by Buddhist people, in Buddhist university spread across india ( from Afganistan to burma ) . And we have evidence of Panini being Buddhist scholor at that time . Sanskrit language itself wasn't existed before Buddha , at time of buddha language was Pali pakrit. There are tons of rock inscription written in Pali Prakrit language. Now its matter of common sense that without certain language or sound or pronounciation Sanskrit script should not be existed. You trying to say that when all ancient India was writing and speaking in pali pakrit or Kharosti scripture , these Brahmins used talk in Sanskrit 😂 .. 1st joke. The rock inscription from syria you showed us was not in sanskrit.. but its pronounciation is sounds like sanskrit. Only Hindu historians and British puppet like you who do not have deep knowledge and influnced by indian veiwers claims that Sanskrit is oldest language. We have now evidence that how Sanskrit was evolved from Pali pakrit language. Because Sanskrit itself is so complicated that is can not be invented by some random magical dude sitting in jungle. Sanskrit can only be formed by academics like scholars. And in india there are more 39 universities has been discovered, some of them was 9 storeys building. We do not have any evidence of writter ( Ved Oyas who is mythological ) nor any Archeological artifacts from Vaidic era . And there is no evidence of Horse being used in indus valley civilisation , but in rigved there are many examples of horse sacrificings . And still no one have decrypted the Indus valley script. So dont try to sneak your poorly copy ved into indus valley civilisation. Ved is nothing more than a poor copy paste of Buddhist scriptures with some own added bullshit 😂.
At least 90% of the hindus never learned to read Vedic Sanskrit and never will. And chances are they have never read a word for word translation and probably never will. So, at least 90% of all the hindus do not know what is written in the 4 vedas!
True and it’s sad. Our entire foundation of religion is based on Vedas but most don’t even bother to read the translation or any book in general. Even 90% is generous amount since that would mean 10% know how to read Sanskrit and have learned Vedas. Now a days the number will go even down since there is general hatred towards Hinduism by wokes.
I'm always amazed at how detailed and well researched your videos are. I hope that you don't get too much hate for this video. I know that this topic is very political for some. The real question is this: When are we getting an audiobook of Dr. Miano reading the Rig Veda for us?
@@WorldofAntiquity When will you write a book or make a video focusing on the harm being done by Uncharted X, Graham Hancock, Brien Foerster, etc? We need you to do it! Thank you so much for all of your excellent work, the great collaborations, and your wonderful travel videos. I love all of it. ❤
@@WorldofAntiquity Sir, please please please please discuss the research work of Shrikant Talageri on the topic, I know you may not agree on his conclusion, but please give some platform to his works too, which is what I think the problem with Indology in the west (as well as in India), they never wanted to hear the other sides arguments, in between the ongoing tug-of-war between Nationalist and Marxist (and Dravidian thugs) in India he is the only scholar who approached this topic with greatest of honesty, please cover his point of views as well. Instead of wasting time on jokers like Nilesh Oak.
I am saddened by non existent Aryan invasion existing in our civilizations. The lndians were wearing silk whilst the European civilisation were living in caves and had kill animals to wear their skins?
@@cattymajiv What harm? Plenty of people find the speculation they offer interesting. Or are you of the opinion we already know all the facts and speculation has no place in archeology? Who exactly is being hurt by what they do? A bunch or random internet people?
This described Vaidik vedas writtened only after 1200 AD only. The text name taken from Tamil siddha vedas and contents from Zoroastrianist texts etc...
@@Samyakindialife if vedas are writtened after 12 as then why Did adi Shankaracharya (in 8th century) mentioned about vedas 🥱 why Did Chandragupta Maurya (300bce)did yagya? 🥱Cope harder dhamil nigg@ Dravidian
@PavitShokeen beyond that! I am an archaeologist and paleontologist 😊 Even the antique tridents uncovered of Hindu supreme God Shiva themselves have been dated back to at least 100k years in the timeline! In Prakrit literature, the Ramayana is estimated beyond 100k years! This is subject to change with archaeological evidence 😊 The VEDAS are much older than that from Brahma kalpa and even modern dating calculations! We are looking for evidence to corroborate that 😊
@@mahendrakvuppala3047 thanks! It's not easy to dig up earth and establish credentials to accumulate and prove a concept! Even with LIDAR now there are significant challenges due to the layers of earth embedded! However, even from historical records and stone tablets type evidence, there's enough indication. BEST part is probably the unearthing of evidence 🌎 over, example: recent trident from Cebu Philippines. That's a big help even with Anunnaki Sumerian Akkadian aspects 😊
@@StevenKilner: Salute to all studies and the saints who did it.... Bhim betka cave paintings in M.P. depicted 80+thousands yers old proved by carbon dating. Their all paintings of men riding elephent horses with bow sword etc etc shown
Awesome video. It's so hard to find ppl just talking neutrally about Indian history nowadays. Everyone is either propagating a narrative, or a counter-narrative. But at the same time, it probably just reflects the mindset of viewers who just look for confirmation bias. But your approach was interesting, and I have an appreciation for how to ask questions on history, so thank you!
Be careful by making such immediate judgement, watch few of his videos, you will immediately know that this person is already on a particular agenda. Example available in this same video itself let me tell you how- He mentioned about the Chariot found in Sinauli as a cart because of solid wheel. And then immediately moved on to other topics. At the same site at the exact same time those people also found 5 swords, war shield, and helmet, he did not discussed about that, because he knew that those things may prove this to war chariot and it is against his already believed opinions
Thanks! This is the first time I've felt that I had to contribute and comment after one of your videos, or any RUclips video for that matter - because I hadn't heard or read this explanation - about the river Saraswati - done so well anywhere else. It's obvious that a great deal of work has gone into this - Thanks!
Same vein of 'erudite research' ala Audrey Truschke. This man takes aim often at Hinduism. He's been doing this for years. Don't trust the sweet words. Read the THOUSANDS of properly researched books by Indologists, not this agenda driven RUclips idiot who concludes Saraswati references are pointless. Don't accept everything these charlatans hand you about your own history.
Same vein of 'erudite research' ala Audrey Truschke. This man takes aim often at Hinduism. He's been doing this for years. Don't trust the sweet words. Read the THOUSANDS of properly researched books by Indologists, not this agenda driven RUclips idiot who concludes Saraswati references are pointless. Don't accept everything these charlatans hand you about your own history.
We were all Hindu later Buddhist once, people to people contact existed among different clans and Tribes, and Nations. Sharing of knowledge was seen as duty among Dharmic Nations
@@animex8129There are two things here to clarify 1. Claiming South Asia was initially Hindu, and considering Hindu practices as complex is acceptable. 2. Indo-Aryan languages speakers migrated and have contributed loanwords to other languages like South Indian languages and Indonesian. We see similarities, but these languages originally had native vocabulary that was erased after influence. It is a fact
Same vein of 'erudite research' ala Audrey Truschke. This man takes aim often at Hinduism. He's been doing this for years. Don't trust the sweet words. Read the THOUSANDS of properly researched books by Indologists, not this agenda driven RUclips idiot who concludes Saraswati references are pointless. Don't accept everything these charlatans hand you about your own history.
Unfortunately at different stages of my archeological journey, I was a believer of both the extreme dates, one that makes vedic culture seem like a child born yesterday and the other that makes dinosaurs look like little babies. And let me tell you, you wouldn't have liked to argue with me at either of those stages, I was just blind to reason. I think I've matured in that sense and do try take a long, critical, third-person look at subjects like these.
You're clearly a very fair minded person now, admirable. I'm not a Hindu, but it is possible to believe the spirit of the claims (the eternal message of the scriptures, universal compassion etc) while not being dogmatic and narrow-minded. All religions have been interpolated by humans, and made extremists of many people. Religion, IMHO had the primary role of creating a system of ethics underpinned by compassion and justice. But all religions have been twisted and added and corrupted over time.
@@kaisersozay99I don't think I've ever agreed more with another human being about religion. I have similar opinions about the origins and growth of religion in human society, it has it's pros and cons simultaneously and is definitely a big part of human history. I think that even a slightly reasonable person can take the goods from these different lines of beliefs and customs and lead a great life whether they believe in God or gods or neither without falling for all the illogical and superstitious aspects of them.
@@kaisersozay99I am inclined to believe that the ones that were not considered religious (possibly biased, just saying) were labeled pagan, occultist... That's what I'm reading thus far, my belief is stable, I'm open to confirmation, positive as well as negative. Gives me a desire to see how this next century plays out, as I am only 62
Yeah, the thing is that we really shouldn't take history and archaeology personal. It was more or less the norm way back and everyone claimed their civilization was the greatest, conquered most lands and had ties to ancient mythical places. But we kinda have to reel ourselves in a bit and look on what the actual evidence say. In texts like this we do have some. We have the language itself in the text. We have what kind of artifacts and geography it describes and we have what archaeology shows us that fits with the descriptions in the text. And sure, we could still be wrong with a few hundred years based on all that due to dating problems and the fact that we don't always find the earliest examples of things like chariots, it might take a few hundred years before one gets preserved. But if 90% of all evidence points towards one date and you have a single thing pointing towards one severely different in either direction, something doesn't really add up with the last one. The alternate history gang tends to take that single oddity and ignoring everything else but that isn't really following the evidence, a single possibly faulty carbon dating or poetic description does not really trump a large number of evidence but it course could tell you that it might be worth rechecking all the evidence and look for more, but being certain without doing all that homework is bad science. In either case, this is still a very important work and fascinating as well.
I had someone claim the hindu texts were 50,000 years old. I asked if they meant that the stories were that old, passed down orally for 50,000 years, they said "no, they were written down 50,000 years ago" I didn't even know where to begin to explain how that simply isn't possible. Perhaps I will point them to this video...
@poohthegreatslayer not written down, it isn't. Writing wasn't invented that far back. The oral tradition might go back 7000 years, but it certainly wasn't written down then. Let alone 50,000 years ago.
There is a lot of vested interest culturally in this being the "oldest of the old" and you'll see this play out often in the comments on any video about Indian books or culture. It will happen in the comments here guaranteed. Some people are really attached to the idea that their culture is "the oldest" which leads them to believe wild claims about their own culture which support this theory like the one you encountered claiming this was written 50k years ago which is obviously impossible for a lot of reasons not the least of which is the documented and well-traced invention of writing and pictograph. I'm not mad at these people for believing what they were told. But that's the same reason racism lives on, so the better way to go would be to not just believe what you are told but rather go and seek out the evidence and go wherever the facts lead you. Anyway I just think it's an issue when you're so committed to being "the oldest" that you'll believe anything in order to get to that conclusion. Very dangerous thinking.
@@bipolarminddroppings I think you should understand that most of the Hindu text were "shruti" (Which is passed down by word of mouth). Also there is smriti it is written by authors who wanted to give their view. No one is claiming to be 50000 years ago. He might have listened to some propaganda. According to star placement in the sky, ramayana and mahabharat dates were determined by Sanskrit and vedic scholars. Yes, it is hard to prove but if we get more archeological evidence of earlier kingdoms then we can determine such things.
It is really interesting and beautiful to see the understanding you have of the ethno-linguistically motivated culture wars inside the Indian political scene. Tamils (like my own family) love to brag about how old Tamil is compared to the invader's language of Sanskrit ad nauseam, just like how the Sanskrit supremacists love to brag about how Sanskrit is 10000 years old. Both are equally grueling to listen to. Amazing video and an amazing set of insights as always :). Have been a follower since your early days. Lots of love
its quite funny that only some Tamils are averse to Sanskrit, whereas no other Dravidian language speakers feel the same way. In fact, Kannada, Malayalam and Telugu speakers are very proud of the Sanskrit influence in their languages and consider Sanskrit to be their own language, rather than something to be exclusively held by the North. Interestingly, many historic kingdoms and empires that ruled Tamil Nadu also made use of Sanskrit. This unfortunate idea that Sanskrit is an invaders language is largely a political thing, just as politicians everywhere in India and the world incite hatred for their own political gains.
Bro, anyways you don't win. As Aryan Theory goes, Whites are Aryan & Christian, so anyways you must have converted to Christianity...you are following the Aryan either way 😂 Sad for you
I love this perspective, though personally I would love to hear more about old Tamil documents and stories if only because of the combined factors that it does have older physical written examples than Sanskrit, and that it is much less well-known in the West
This is everything I wanted in a 'History of the Rig Veda' video - a scientific and rational approach. Grateful to you for sharing all this knowledge for free! Thank you🙏
Aryan invasion is outdated nonsense with all die respect based on the nonsense of max mueller who thought the earth was 6000 years old and tried to got the Vedas into that timeline. He was a Christian fundamentalist and his bias is clear. An example of a different interpretation of the common words shared by Tamil and Sanskrit is the refreshing 1979 observation of Franklin Southworth, a linguist from the University of Pennsylvania. According to his analysis: 'these two lists [Dravidian and Indo-Aryan] both seem to suggest a rather wide range of cultural contacts, and that they do not show the typical (or stereotypical) one-sided borrowing relationship expected in a colonial situation'. Southworth continued, 'No picture of technological, cultural or military dominance by either side emerges from an examination of these words'. The word Aryan in Sanskrit originally meant “one who follows a civilization whose aim was self-realization.” The aryans whose language and religion was Sanskrit and the Vedas were the forefathers of the Indo-Europeans. There is no proof aryans invaded India. Never in the Vedas are an external homeland mentioned. The Vedas are originally said to date to 1500-2000 and the alleged invasion of aryans into India would have taken place about 500 years later. To say they would have forgotten their homeland is like saying modern Americans forgetting their European roots. Modern indologists more or less arbitrarily date the Vedas to the mid-second millennium bc, a date given by the German preacher-turned Indologist Max Mueller, hired on behalf of The British Raj to discredit and mythologize vedic culture in order to turn Indians into “brown Englishmen” as they said, and to baptize them. Europe and America (including England up to the time of its colonial and economic interests in India) had very favorable impressions of Vedic ideas and culture. Beethoven, who based music on the philosophical Upanishads, and others up to Bohr and Oppenheimer. Mueller’s date was completely speculative and without evidence, while modern archaeological findings using satellites have located historical sites along the now-disappeared Saraswati river basin, which is described as many miles wide in the Vedas. Geological studies applied to Vedic descriptions date the Vedas at least several millennia earlier. Indeed astronomical archaeology pushes the vedic culture into the remotest antiquity.
Not sure he has just taken studies from western historians. What he misses completely is When was the original because remember that it was passed not in written form. Never explains that such a language does not fall out of thin air in a few years. There is probably at least a few thousand years or maybe even more before it became Sanskrit.
@@totallypointlessvideos3832 The predecessor of Sanskrit was some sort of a Proto Indo European language which was spoken in the Yamnaya and the Sintashta culture (Where the Aryans come from). So the mythological deities in the Vedas most probably have older origins than 1500 BCE. But the Vedas (which are written to worship these deities )would most likely have originated around 1500 BCE
The Sanskrit in the Rig vedas is different from the Sanskrit we know today. Hence the meaning of the words could be very different from the words in Panini version of Sanskrit known today. Which makes the Rig Veda more elusive. Very well explained video.😊
I'm an Indian! Senior citizen! I never read or even thought of Vedas! But seeing you discussing the ancient history of Vedic period ,I got interested ! Thanks a lot ! For unknown reasons, I have always been a student of ancient Egypt !! Subscribed!!
Not an unknown reason before people didnt have much resources to promote their culture and hence atttacted fo foreign culture through movies. Its no one's fault just how nature goes
@@cosmos1487do you want everything to be spoon fed to you? Plenty of translations available online, both indian and western translations, with a simple click of the button. Indian history is vast, and impossible to teach in school. Pursue higher education in history and all this is studied in deep. It’s nice to feel like someone is keeping knowledge hidden from you. Take the effort. Read. The information is out there. Blame yourself for not taking interest and initiative, not others who forgot to spoonfeed you. Look at the person you responded to, they are senior citizen and yet eager to learn!!
@@riddunyra4373 Hinduism is not 500 years old lol. The name is new, but the traditions have existed with older names and recognized each other as part of an ecosystem. Vedic and Shramanic traditions existed since earlier than 500 BC, exchanged ideas and concepts, and even waged atrocities on each other. Show me one peer respected author saying that Hinduism as a concept is from 1500 AD (500 years old) lol.
Coming from my own secular Jewish perspective, this video is an interesting reflection of something that goes on in Judaism, too. Generally, the older a Jewish religious text is, the more accurate it's considered to be, and thus the more weight it is given within the Jewish tradition. This is why Moses de Leon, the probable author of the Zohar, pretended that he'd discovered a 1,000-year-old text in a cave, rather than admitting he'd written it himself.
Lol 😅 In rig veda there is a River called Saraswat ( a holy river) i was mentioned 25 times near which they pray. That river completely dried up around 4000bc . If veda was written around 800bc where was the river in hell!
That is completely incorrect and not at all why he did that. Parts of the Zohar are indeed orally dated to the time of Shimon Bar Yochai. Leon added significant portions but there is no doubt older parts remain. The same is true of the Sefer Yetzirah which has parts from the time of Abraham. Oral traditions are different than written. You make the same mistake this very video calls out. And, much of the content he wrote was independently verified as having been known to the Rabbis. Kabbalah was Sod, there is no denial of this, and your inane attempt to pretend everything was public is an affront to hashem
As another secular Jewish person, I'd love to see similar content about our history to. Sam Arronow has a pretty good channel but a more archeological perspective would be great.
The concept of GOD SOUL KARMA ENLIGHTENMENT is given by sanatanis(hindu) to all world ,how will you explain Indian gods in Maya ,Aztec ,olmec civilization
One Big Mistake in this Video. Saraswati river was named after Goddess Saraswati. Saraswati is Goddess of Knowledge, Wisdom and intelligence. So not every Mention of Saraswati is a Mention of River. Some verses are mentioning Goddess Saraswati that was worshipped way before river was named Saraswati.
THANK YOU FOR POINTING IT OUT AND GODDESS SARASWATI HAS AN IMPORYANT RELATION WITH TRINITY 'BRAHMA' WHOSE SEAT IS AT 'PUSHKAR', AN AREA NOT TOO FAR AWAY FROM THE REGIONS DESCRIBED AS AREA OF SARASWATI RIVER. SO A VERY IMPORTANT POINT IS BEING MADE HERE. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
In the bright side is how we are more become educated with these kind of video(information) and all, in the other way is how disturbing it is where you let somebody to tell you how your culture work. Hey I don't know a lot about this things but still I find this video informative and thankful for that but if there're things don't match up here and there according to what I already know about the topic, well that is something to think about or to dig deeper for more information 🙏🏼
You've done it again, Mr.Miano. Loved every minute of this video as I have all your previous takes on Dwarka and Gobekli Tepe. Might I also add, there is a river in Afghanistan, Helmand who's tributary was called Haraxvāiti in older times. There's an S/H shift which is common in indo iranian/aryan branches such as Old Avestan and Rig Vedic Sanskrit. The name is pretty similar to Saraswati though ! Also, some authors ( one of them was a freedom fighter/a founding figure in India's freedom struggle - Bal Gangadhar Tilak ) have proposed an arctic home for the tribes described in the earliest khandas of the Rig Vedas based on their description of the sky above them ( the constellations in the elliptic then vs now ) suggesting an origin near southern ukraine which I've always found interesting. Would love to hear your take on it someday as well.
@WorldofAntiquity I'm no expert but I was also going to ask about the Helmand as I see a lot of textual evidence and found it convincing. There's no reason to suppose that Indo Aryans had anything to do with Harappan civilization. To me the attempts to connect them seem tortured. Harappan iconography shows a cultural continuity with India today while the gods of the Rig Veda, the fire altars, etc are remarkably similar to the Iranian gods and religious practices. People have trouble understanding that languages are not genetics. Hungarians have only a 3% genetic connection to Finns, but they don't speak a Slavic language, they speak a language related genetically to Finnish. India isn't any less Indian for having IE languages just as Europe isn't any less European for the same.
You know what’s really interesting bruu , is that in Ukraine , they have found an ancient symbol of the swastika which means this region was part of an ancient Vedic culture ! I think when the Vedic culture expanded due to the septarishs going out to help humanity we are probably looking at a very long time ago , I mean how old is sanatana dharma ?
@@WorldofAntiquity I knew that using the word Vedic would get me in trouble ! So the question is what culture did the symbol come out of ? Perhaps it is a universal symbol , some Native American tribes have it but the word swastika is a Sanskrit word and and has meaning in the Vedic traditions and was and is used by sanatana dharma ! There I didn’t even use the word Hindu ! Now go back to your desk and argue over other petty questions ! I know what the symbol means and that’s good enough for me ! So there dude
Aryan invasion is outdated nonsense with all die respect based on the nonsense of max mueller who thought the earth was 6000 years old and tried to got the Vedas into that timeline. He was a Christian fundamentalist and his bias is clear. An example of a different interpretation of the common words shared by Tamil and Sanskrit is the refreshing 1979 observation of Franklin Southworth, a linguist from the University of Pennsylvania. According to his analysis: 'these two lists [Dravidian and Indo-Aryan] both seem to suggest a rather wide range of cultural contacts, and that they do not show the typical (or stereotypical) one-sided borrowing relationship expected in a colonial situation'. Southworth continued, 'No picture of technological, cultural or military dominance by either side emerges from an examination of these words'. The word Aryan in Sanskrit originally meant “one who follows a civilization whose aim was self-realization.” The aryans whose language and religion was Sanskrit and the Vedas were the forefathers of the Indo-Europeans. There is no proof aryans invaded India. Never in the Vedas are an external homeland mentioned. The Vedas are originally said to date to 1500-2000 and the alleged invasion of aryans into India would have taken place about 500 years later. To say they would have forgotten their homeland is like saying modern Americans forgetting their European roots. Modern indologists more or less arbitrarily date the Vedas to the mid-second millennium bc, a date given by the German preacher-turned Indologist Max Mueller, hired on behalf of The British Raj to discredit and mythologize vedic culture in order to turn Indians into “brown Englishmen” as they said, and to baptize them. Europe and America (including England up to the time of its colonial and economic interests in India) had very favorable impressions of Vedic ideas and culture. Beethoven, who based music on the philosophical Upanishads, and others up to Bohr and Oppenheimer. Mueller’s date was completely speculative and without evidence, while modern archaeological findings using satellites have located historical sites along the now-disappeared Saraswati river basin, which is described as many miles wide in the Vedas. Geological studies applied to Vedic descriptions date the Vedas at least several millennia earlier. Indeed astronomical archaeology pushes the vedic culture into the remotest antiquity.
Narratives on "vedic society", "indo aryan", "indo europian" which are non existent. These were mere concoctions of proselytising abrahamics starting with Max Muller.
This video was going well untill he stopped evidence at the end and starts ranting about exaggeration. Lol. Typical butthurt western scholar who can't cope that Hindus are older than their ancestors
Same vein of 'erudite research' ala Audrey Truschke. This man takes aim often at Hinduism. He's been doing this for years. Don't trust the sweet words. Read the THOUSANDS of properly researched books by Indologists, not this agenda driven RUclips idiot who concludes Saraswati references are pointless. Don't accept everything these charlatans hand you about your own history.
Dr. Miano thank you for the excellent presentation. You have explained so well. I am an amateur historian. It is so wonderful to listen to your explanations. You are so clear and precise with your interpretations. Thank you so much.
Love history and love your channel for being historically accurate. Appreciate how much research you do before you make your videos. Love how you bust those myths. Thank you for your work sir. Hope your channel continue to grow and you have time and energy to maintain it.
This is great info and definately narrows down the time period, the long reading on the Saraswati seemed to come almost out of nowhere though didn't really understand where you were going until you finished the reading.
Great effort and thank you for this presentation. Panini's Astadhyaya is a treatise for Indian linguistic scholars if not for the world, but when we are trying to date it, we should realize Panini had only compiled the existing knowledge during those times. The knowledge in it full form was matured and in use during his time. As the whole argument in this video of Rigveda's time line is based on Saraswathi river itself, where is the scope of undermining the description itself as exaggeration, doesn't add up. It is important to look Vedas beyond the mundane daily bread and butter requirements by praying to gods or deities. Mind you, before penning down, these are orally transmitted for several centuries. Why the priests with so much strict diet control, life style and rigorous postures learn these verses with an aim to pass it on? The meaning and use of words are entirely different in those times. Cows means energy such as potential, and horses mean kinetic energy and so on. These are nothing but invisible forces that drive the universe, human body etc. Most of the words on these Hymns can be arranged differently and read such as Ghanapatha, which gives a whole different meaning or hidden meaning. Meaning Sanskrit language knowledge alone will not be sufficient to unlock Vedic secrets. I wish someone will bring out the real intended meaning of Vedas by the end of kaliyuga.
@@raiideas Start with "Secret of Vedas" by Dayananda Saraswathi to get a glimpse of it. Once should have a profound knowledge of the Universe and Human body working before transliterating the Vedas, else it will end up in trash can as Max's work.
@@paadipanta2607please explain how you can transpose "kinetic energy" and "potential energy" in place of horses and cows respectively. Pretend Im a total and utter fool Explain it to me like that.
@@daviddewford8862 In Hindu India, Shakthi is treated as Universal mother, and Shiva as universal energy. The Hindu thought always is the energy before creating universe is available in potential form, consider as Zero Point Energy field. This is also called Adwaitha, means there is no second, just energy in invisible form. It has no beginning or end but always there. With this kind of premise, the energy evolves into different forms. Cow is treated mother, and energy source. For the educating masses, the cow is expressed as energy source. Similarly, horse is the transformation of this energy into more active form, which is kinetic in nature. The ancient knowledge is same as what we know, but the words used are different. We are just reinventing what was already there or known to certain civilizations.
@@paadipanta2607 I thought Advaita Vedanta meant God is within me and my soul is the same parabrahman,not zero point energy field(By the way,what is a zero point energy field? Don't string some words together and think it's scientific.) Coming back to your last statement,no,we are not reinventing everything that the ancients had already discovered. The scientific method doesn't work that way. Yes,we have built upon their knowledge,but that does not mean you'll blatantly discredit modern science.
I have watched all the Indian-related videos you have posted, including the last one about the Indus Valley Civilization. You have explained clearly how to approach history from an academic perspective. You also detailed the dating process of the Rig Vedas, which was very informative. I have a huge request: could you provide a similar explanation for Tamil literature, especially how its dating is done? There's a lack of clear, public understanding about how these dates are determined. And please debunk all the stupidity it carries 😊 I suggest focusing on Sangam literature because it represents early Tamil poetry that is not influenced by Vedic literature. In fact, it is one of the few literary traditions in India that exists without Vedic influence, making it unique and important for study.
@@dannystark7668Certainly! Here's a brief chronological overview of some key ancient Indian philosophies: 1. **Vedic Period (1500 BCE - 500 BCE)**: - **Vedas**: Early Indian scriptures containing hymns, rituals, and philosophical speculations. - **Upanishads**: Philosophical texts exploring the nature of reality, the self (Atman), and ultimate truth (Brahman). 2. **Brahmanical Period (500 BCE - 200 BCE)**: - **Nyaya**: Systematic logic and epistemology, attributed to Gautama (not Buddha). - **Vaisheshika**: Atomistic metaphysics and ontology, associated with Kanada. - **Samkhya**: Dualistic philosophy positing the existence of Purusha (consciousness) and Prakriti (matter), attributed to Kapila. - **Yoga**: Explores the methods and practices for self-realization, associated with Patanjali. 3. **Axial Age (6th - 5th century BCE)**: - **Buddhism**: Founded by Siddhartha Gautama (Buddha), emphasizing the Four Noble Truths and the Eightfold Path. - **Jainism**: Founded by Mahavira, emphasizing non-violence (ahimsa), asceticism, and karma theory. 4. **Classical Period (200 BCE - 1100 CE)**: - **Nyaya-Sutra**: Systematized by Aksapada Gautama, focusing on logic, epistemology, and metaphysics. - **Vaisheshika-Sutra**: Further developed by Kanada, focusing on atomistic metaphysics. - **Purva Mimamsa**: Ritual and hermeneutics, emphasizing the authority of the Vedas. - **Vedanta**: Philosophical traditions interpreting the Upanishads, including Advaita Vedanta (non-dualism), Vishishtadvaita Vedanta (qualified non-dualism), and Dvaita Vedanta (dualism). 5. **Medieval Period (1100 CE - 1800 CE)**: - **Bhakti Movement**: Devotional traditions emphasizing the personal relationship with the divine, popularized by various saints across India. - **Sufism**: Islamic mysticism that influenced Indian spiritual thought and practice. These are just some of the major philosophical schools and movements in ancient Indian philosophy, each with its own unique perspectives on existence, consciousness, ethics, and the nature of reality.
To this day in many prominent temples across India, Hindu priests since childhood practice tens of thousands of verses of vedas. That's how they memorize them. When they perform rituals at people's homes they chant mantras according to the occasion and explain the meaning in local language.
Your videos are by far the most precise and comprehensive analysis of the age and origin of Vedic civilization, I have come across on RUclips. I used to be on the fence about the Aryan migration theory. I can see now that this is the most empirically precise theory about the origin of Vedic civilization so far (in the light of all the genetic evidence explained by you so clearly in another video). Although understanding of the linguistic evidence still eludes me, given that I have very limited knowledge of this field.
I am interested in rigveda for political reasons. Rigveda certainly compiled after the Battle of 10 kings. And it contains schools of thoughts of Rival Sages who supposedly fought each other in that Battle. So it also work as peace Treaty after a War.
Aryan invasion is outdated nonsense with all die respect based on the nonsense of max mueller who thought the earth was 6000 years old and tried to got the Vedas into that timeline. He was a Christian fundamentalist and his bias is clear. An example of a different interpretation of the common words shared by Tamil and Sanskrit is the refreshing 1979 observation of Franklin Southworth, a linguist from the University of Pennsylvania. According to his analysis: 'these two lists [Dravidian and Indo-Aryan] both seem to suggest a rather wide range of cultural contacts, and that they do not show the typical (or stereotypical) one-sided borrowing relationship expected in a colonial situation'. Southworth continued, 'No picture of technological, cultural or military dominance by either side emerges from an examination of these words'. The word Aryan in Sanskrit originally meant “one who follows a civilization whose aim was self-realization.” The aryans whose language and religion was Sanskrit and the Vedas were the forefathers of the Indo-Europeans. There is no proof aryans invaded India. Never in the Vedas are an external homeland mentioned. The Vedas are originally said to date to 1500-2000 and the alleged invasion of aryans into India would have taken place about 500 years later. To say they would have forgotten their homeland is like saying modern Americans forgetting their European roots. Modern indologists more or less arbitrarily date the Vedas to the mid-second millennium bc, a date given by the German preacher-turned Indologist Max Mueller, hired on behalf of The British Raj to discredit and mythologize vedic culture in order to turn Indians into “brown Englishmen” as they said, and to baptize them. Europe and America (including England up to the time of its colonial and economic interests in India) had very favorable impressions of Vedic ideas and culture. Beethoven, who based music on the philosophical Upanishads, and others up to Bohr and Oppenheimer. Mueller’s date was completely speculative and without evidence, while modern archaeological findings using satellites have located historical sites along the now-disappeared Saraswati river basin, which is described as many miles wide in the Vedas. Geological studies applied to Vedic descriptions date the Vedas at least several millennia earlier. Indeed astronomical archaeology pushes the vedic culture into the remotest antiquity.
@@Vishnujanadasa108 2500 BC Rakhigarhi skeletons have no traces of 'Aryan gene', finds DNA study by . Dr. Niraj Rai who is the Head of the Ancient DNA Lab at Birbal Sahni Institute of Palaeosciences, Lucknow Uttar Pradesh Even International genetic David Reich who is Head of Harvard School of Medicals said that Indus Valley people did not has genetic contribution from the steppes The study - titled ‘An ancient Harappan genome lacks ancestry from Steppe pastoralists or Iranian farmers’
At 22:00 you mentioned that "iron" is not in the Rig Veda. But then you went on to show a hymn about the Saraswati river from the Rig veda, that uses the term "fortress of Iron". Could you please clarify if it's just a translation thing or something else?
Looked up, it uses a form of I believe "ayas" term, 'ayasa' in the text. Not a linguist or anything, someone who actually knows the language can give a better context. The verse citation was helpful. "Ayas" can mean iron, copper (even saw a quote arguing for brass) and as such a different online translation I found leaves a rightfully generic meaning to the broad term as 'metal'.
Oh man, I missed that. Yes, it is a mistranslation. But I should have corrected it. As NewNecro said, Ayas can mean any metal. There is a different word, shyama-ayas (black metal), that actually means iron.
The word for metal in sanskrit would be 'dhatuia' or 'dhatvik' (origin of word 'dhatu' in hindi) 'ayas' has been strongly associated with iron @@WorldofAntiquity
Thanks for the brilliant video. Loved it. Although, a little confused on a small point. You mentioned that Right Veda precedes the use of Iron, yet in many RV texts projected by you in the video, the River Saraswati is mentioned as a "Fortress of Iron". Kindly clarify whether the " Fortress of Iron" is merely a metaphor used in the English translation or whether the term is explicitly used in RV.
I find Dr. Tailigiri's analysis quite interesting in determining the age of the Rigveda. In his discussion, he compares the Mittani inscriptions with both the old and new books (maṇḍalas) of Rigveda , presenting a lot of compelling linguistic evidence. His conclusion is that all the names mentioned in Mittani inscriptions are similar to the new books of Rigveda, not the older ones. This sets a different chronology for the Rigveda and the spread of language.
@@indiboy7 Out of the Ten books of the Rigveda, book no. 6 is considered the oldest one. The chronological order of each book in the Rigveda is even more confusing than the Chronology of the Star Wars extended universe.
As always, a great breakdown of the findings and current theories. I have heard few questionable claims about cannabis in ancient history. Especially about it being in ancient middle eastern anointing oils. I imagine a video on the subject could potentially be a click factory.
there is a slight misconception when people look at the word composed... most of us think that composed means rig vedas were written down in devangari script in 1500BC which is absolutely a wrong misconception... as Rig Vedas are poems that are passed vocally until in some early period when devanagri was invented it was written down. Please clear the misconception of the people.
Horse bones in a city prior to horse domestication are just as likely to be the remains of a meal. People were eating horses far longer than they have been riding them.
"Horse bones in a city prior to horse domestication are just as likely to be the remains of a meal." - but from where would they get horses to eat if horses had not already been domesticated? Note: the horse is not native to the Indian subcontinent.
@@TheDanEdwards Salted horse meat can be transported half across the world without perishing. And then you have the fact that bones are a raw material used for a lot. So domestication isn't needed to find horse bones even where horses don't exist.
@@benghazi4216 it is unlikely that the cured meat or jerky would contain bones. It would have added unnecessary, especially considering how heavy a horses carcass is.
@@UtkarshMSharma Cured meat does include bones. It's literally the most common form of cured meat. Go in to any butcher. Or just do an image search on Google. Who on earth thinks you bring the whole carcass when traveling? You butcher it. But doesn't mean you carve it down into a million thin jerky pieces. Remember, you are a hunter on the move, in a constant life or death situation, especially when the other predators show up..
Oldest arcealogical sites in India have already found Horse War Chariots, Bronze Age solid-disk wheel, first-ever" physical evidence of chariots dating 2,000 BC - 1,800 BC was found at Sinauli, India's largest and 4000-year-old burial site. evidence of burials of warriors, weapons and chariots which is indigenous in nature, proving so called Aryan were indigenous People/Culture not invaders. Some claim found horse drawn chariots which were almost 5000 years old.
Your capacity to read and understand the issues in depth regarding various ancient cultures is astounding.You have deep knowledge about the archaeology,history,written literature and culture of various civilisations around the world. Added to that,you have clear logical,analytical approach towards those subjects. I always see in full all your videoes, those relating to India and south asia. Thank you.🙏
Thanks again Professor Miano. This is always the place to learn something new or more about something I knew. I would really like to see your take on the myth (or not) about all martial arts descending from pankrateon taken by Alexander soldiers to India and then spreading to the rest of the Asian continent.
@@WorldofAntiquity Oh there's plenty but I believe the one I saw was either on Discovery Channel or History Channel. There's several articles over the internet as well but I can't seem to find nothing "official".
It is no surprise to me that written Sanskrit was in the Middle East. So many people in the Middle East look like the people of India. Sometimes you cannot tell the difference.
In the NWT the missionaries and fur traders have influenced so much the Indigenous people's history that now they only recall their history from this period so you want Zoroastrian literature history being told from a European perspective? I hope not!
thank you for a very comprehensive overview on a subject that truly needs it. There is so much nuance to history that is oft overlooked; even if at times by mere oversight.
Fantastic video and very informative. I wouldn't be surprised if very small sections are extremely older than thought but not anywhere close to 30,000 years old.
The same goes for a "worldwide flood" literally meaning the entire globe, when it was referring to a local flood that engulfed the region that encompassed the world of that civilization. People also forget that official documents were written for particular political purposes, one of those seldom being historical accuracy.
What I thought about mighty Sarasvati-river, is that maybe there was some old memory buried in the Rig Veda, about the old days when it flowed perennially all the way, which gave birth to the goddess Sarasvati. I know it's a bit stretching, but it's a thought.
Yes. gave me the same understanding too. The flooding scene gives an idea of monsoon. And then, the seven sister acknowledging the might of saraswati, gives the idea of an ongoing tension between sisters, about who's the best. Which indicates, Saraswati is not that mighty all year long. But, from distance memory, they know, She was the best.
If a 5000 year old skeletons from Indian Subcontinent does not have no traces of 'Aryan gene', finds the DNA study by . Dr. Niraj Rai who is the Head of the Ancient DNA Lab at Birbal Sahni Institute of Palaeosciences, Lucknow Uttar Pradesh . Than , How could they known a river that flows through Indian Subcontinent 10, 000 years ago ? If their was never a genetic or DNA traces of 'Aryan gene' in Indian Subcontinent even in 5000 years ago
@@Chairman_LmaoZedong Bro , It has been proven by genetic Researchers that Indo European language speaking Steppe pastoralists who called themselves Arya migrated to Indian Subcontinent
34:18 ,,, it also says ' her course from mountains to the ocean ' . . . How can I not take this literally ?? also , why u didn't talk about it AT ALL .
Same vein of 'erudite research' ala Audrey Truschke. This man takes aim often at Hinduism. He's been doing this for years. Don't trust the sweet words. Read the THOUSANDS of properly researched books by Indologists, not this agenda driven RUclips idiot who concludes Saraswati references are pointless. Don't accept everything these charlatans hand you about your own history.
The age of Vedas mentioned is Off by A LOT! Please check out Dr Nilesh Oak who has deciphered the age of Ramayana based off of Astronomy mentioned in the Ramayana Texts. You should be able to find his videos on RUclips! If Mahabharata is atleast 5500 years old (when the Bhagavad Gita came into existence) then Rig Veda is many many eons older than that...
Nilesh Oak, the chemical engineer who thinks he is an astronomer and historian, has been disproved. rajarammohanroy.medium.com/refutation-of-nilesh-oaks-astronomical-dating-of-mahabharata-to-5561-bce-110ff05711d8 benjaminindology.wordpress.com/2021/01/17/when-did-the-mahabharata-war-happen-debunking-mr-nilesh-oak/
Really nice and well-structured video. 45 min passed in the blink of an eye, I could watch even a 2-3 hour video of yours without pause if you do it with this much quality. Really nice change from the shorts and reels which just push a narrative with some added stupid BGM to make you feel like its legit
Thank you for your impartial documentary about Sanskrit and Bharat's culture. Nowadays It's rare to find someone intellectual like you. I adore you and your tremendous work. The amount of hard work and research you have done is truly phenomenal ♥️♥️
One of the best channel i have seen so far. As a Hindu I always had problem with other hindus when they took things literally. They are our ancestors and I respect that but at the same we should acknowledge that they were also trying to understand their environment. They did what they can with whatever they had. We should see things historically and scientifically only. We need to keep our pride aside when searching for truth.
Aryan invasion is outdated nonsense with all die respect based on the nonsense of max mueller who thought the earth was 6000 years old and tried to got the Vedas into that timeline. He was a Christian fundamentalist and his bias is clear. An example of a different interpretation of the common words shared by Tamil and Sanskrit is the refreshing 1979 observation of Franklin Southworth, a linguist from the University of Pennsylvania. According to his analysis: 'these two lists [Dravidian and Indo-Aryan] both seem to suggest a rather wide range of cultural contacts, and that they do not show the typical (or stereotypical) one-sided borrowing relationship expected in a colonial situation'. Southworth continued, 'No picture of technological, cultural or military dominance by either side emerges from an examination of these words'. The word Aryan in Sanskrit originally meant “one who follows a civilization whose aim was self-realization.” The aryans whose language and religion was Sanskrit and the Vedas were the forefathers of the Indo-Europeans. There is no proof aryans invaded India. Never in the Vedas are an external homeland mentioned. The Vedas are originally said to date to 1500-2000 and the alleged invasion of aryans into India would have taken place about 500 years later. To say they would have forgotten their homeland is like saying modern Americans forgetting their European roots. Modern indologists more or less arbitrarily date the Vedas to the mid-second millennium bc, a date given by the German preacher-turned Indologist Max Mueller, hired on behalf of The British Raj to discredit and mythologize vedic culture in order to turn Indians into “brown Englishmen” as they said, and to baptize them. Europe and America (including England up to the time of its colonial and economic interests in India) had very favorable impressions of Vedic ideas and culture. Beethoven, who based music on the philosophical Upanishads, and others up to Bohr and Oppenheimer. Mueller’s date was completely speculative and without evidence, while modern archaeological findings using satellites have located historical sites along the now-disappeared Saraswati river basin, which is described as many miles wide in the Vedas. Geological studies applied to Vedic descriptions date the Vedas at least several millennia earlier. Indeed astronomical archaeology pushes the vedic culture into the remotest antiquity.
how do you know they took them literally and not grand metaphor for ideas that existed ? there is a depth of understanding that exists within the rig veda ...that were it in any other faith it becomes something beautiful and worthy of study, but for Hindus they both are ashamed of their faith and try to denigrate it and accept Western scholars at the expense of historical and continuing legacies
As a Hindu, I agree. The religion that has taught the fundamental oneness of life for a long time deserves better. Hopefully, we will not carelessly forget the Vedāntic pluralism of Swami Vivekananda and Mahatma Gandhi.
@@martinvanburen4578 well when my Hindu brothers say that by doing prayers only they calmed the mighty Saraswati then as A (~40k generation scientifically advanced Hindu (don't take this literally ;))) I would have to doubt them. There are things that I have learned from Hinduism and I really respect that but there are things that are plain wrong and totally redundant at this day and age.
@@martinvanburen4578 how do you know? Better to take them at their word. They didn’t believe the Vedas as metaphors. Anyone advocating that has ulterior motives and a desire to imprint their own views backwards into the Vedas.
Great video sir! It is confusing for whom the praise are written for the Goddess or the river, the line "Saraswati who slayeth the parvatas/moutains" suggests it might be talking about the river (but it won't make sense in the next line). Today, Goddess Saraswati is seen as a knowledge/music deity. But verses shown in the video are fierce, if she is the same Goddess the nature of the praises should be different which makes me believe the attributes are written for the river and also she is personified as Saraswati. But I find it funny as all comes down to "कवि का क्या तात्पर्य है / what does the poet mean".
Well Vedas itself mentions Saraswati as river as well as goddess of knowledge and music(specially atharvaveda) But thing is, he said that the river was discrete and flowed only in extreme ends not in in-between.But rigved says that Saraswati flowed with same power from mountain to ocean
Thank you so much for your studies of the ancient world, this video in particular interesting for me as I am interested in ancient languages. Much appreciated, live long.
Thanks. Great input. I suppose since the ivc was fading at the time of the rg Veda, it may have integrated some ivc poems. It would make sense that ivc would have had oral stories like most ancient people's. Since we know in India that Hindu scripts do tend to be modified by local stories as it spread across India with many local deities included. It's possible that mythical stories from pre 1900bce got included. It's really great that so much research is being done. In Christianity a 2000 year old person is worshipped, Buddhism a 2500 year old teacher. It's not necessarily true the river existed at the time of composition of the Vedas, as they also talk about the formulation of the world.
@@dannystark7668 Bhagavathi is a local Kerala diety for Shakti. JakhDevta and Latu are worshipped by tribals in Uttarakhand. Some say there are many millions of dieties in Hinduism spread across it's many various peoples
@@barryobrien1890 bhagvati is another name of shakti (used throughout india ) and in uttarakhand the latu and many other deities is how they were perceived by our ancestors
@@PrakashNegi-kq7ks Exactly. Since in one branch of Hinduism there is only braman, all deities are expressions of the one. Local communities have their own interpretations. As in chapter 4 of the rg Veda. "There is only one, to the wise it is known by many names". Thanks for your input
I left hinduism a long time ago. But that ironically made me far more interested in the Vedas, sanskrit texts and the sanskrit language in general. I'm really enjoying how amazing sanskrit and vedic culture is without having the pressure of having to believe that Hinduism is the greatest religion of all and everything written in the Vedas is true. Thanks for this incredible video
The scriptures have some amazing knowledge and wisdom most likely. But people (esp believers cuz most of them have this blind faith ideology idk why) get so stuck up on irrelevant/controversial parts that it gets ignored.
Well in Sanatan Sanskriti there was no concept of Religion. Religion started after Islamic Invasion. Sanatan was based on questions, debates, psychology it was more of a scientific . Dharm means Duties. Like in Mahabharata , even though Arjuna knew that Krishna is god , he refused to follow his order or war , he refused to kill pitamah , in Bhagwat geeta lord krishna is just answering arjuna questions and clearing his doubts. Modern day hinduism hijacked Sanatan Dharm and defamed its value. I do follow my Dharm but not religion ❤
But why you left Hinduism . Do we sanatan had any exit or entry process ? Looks like some had created hate for sanantan and you close the door of your mind !
@@Naruto03108 True. Modern day hindutva seems to resemble most closely with the Iberian catholicism and it can be co-related most closely with the spanish inquisition.
To comprehend how old Rig Veda is you must know how Rig Veda described River Saraswati. In Rig Veda it is mentioned that how enormous Saraswati River was, it says that you could hear the sound of it flowing from few miles away. Its sound was like there are 1000 elephants trumpeting together. Thats how enormous and mighty that river was. Saraswati River completely dried off around 5000 years ago. Its bedding is still visible from the sky, you can see it in satellite image of Google Maps. Now just imagine, that river dried off 5000 years ago. Just imagine how long before it was mentioned in Rig Veda that "it sounds like 1000 elephant trumpeting together". Thats how old Rig Veda is.
This is a good example of a long comment made by someone who thinks they are making a smart and sophisticated answer but if he had watched the whole video, he would have known it was already addressed.
@@WorldofAntiquity first of all, this comment was made half way through the video. Second, I'm Indian and a Hindu, so I've have grown up listening to all these stories and from a very young age so I was just sharing a fact that I found very fascinating, for so long.
@@WorldofAntiquity pretty obvious, because certainly I'm not an expert and this isn't my area. You might know it better as, I'm assuming, you are far more educated in this field of information. I'm was just sharing what I've always heard growing up and fascinates me.
Have you seen the new Hegarty et al paper which suggests Indo-Iranian branches off much earlier than previously thought, like 5650 to 8400 yr B.P.? I know it's pretty new but i'm dying to hear some informed opinion on this one!
Rig Veda evolved over centuries, probably even over millennia, before they were written down, because the Indus Valley people did not have the means to write and preserve thousands of pages. What they wanted to preserve, they would inscribe on mud tablets and bake them, but that was not suitable for inscribing thousands of pages. For the short term they used to inscribe on Banana & Palm leaves, but they would decay and fall apart. It was not until 1500 BC, when they finally figured out the way to preserve inscriptions on birch bark. Hence the actual text was written hundreds, if not over a thousand years after those hymns and prayers came into existence.
This is the problem of thinking an answer is superior and then making historical assumptions to support it. Agenda driven not evidence driven. On a positive note, this type of bias was why I began looking into genuine archaeology, because the reality of history is always superior to agendas imposed on it. Thank you for providing some of that genuine information sir. ✌️💕🤘
You seem to comment on almost every video I watch from a wide range of subjects. You have good taste! You might remember me commenting and in the live chat from Lady Babylon Channel. My girlfriend and I use to watch it under my girlfriends account who’s name is Kirsten
@@RyanTucker-r5d nice! Good seeing you in message boards! Say hi to your lady for me. I’m all over RUclips lol. Mostly archaeology & historical stuff, some gardening, cooking, charity & treasure hunting in the form of rocks & mudlarking 🤭
Aryan invasion is outdated nonsense with all die respect based on the nonsense of max mueller who thought the earth was 6000 years old and tried to got the Vedas into that timeline. He was a Christian fundamentalist and his bias is clear. An example of a different interpretation of the common words shared by Tamil and Sanskrit is the refreshing 1979 observation of Franklin Southworth, a linguist from the University of Pennsylvania. According to his analysis: 'these two lists [Dravidian and Indo-Aryan] both seem to suggest a rather wide range of cultural contacts, and that they do not show the typical (or stereotypical) one-sided borrowing relationship expected in a colonial situation'. Southworth continued, 'No picture of technological, cultural or military dominance by either side emerges from an examination of these words'. The word Aryan in Sanskrit originally meant “one who follows a civilization whose aim was self-realization.” The aryans whose language and religion was Sanskrit and the Vedas were the forefathers of the Indo-Europeans. There is no proof aryans invaded India. Never in the Vedas are an external homeland mentioned. The Vedas are originally said to date to 1500-2000 and the alleged invasion of aryans into India would have taken place about 500 years later. To say they would have forgotten their homeland is like saying modern Americans forgetting their European roots. Modern indologists more or less arbitrarily date the Vedas to the mid-second millennium bc, a date given by the German preacher-turned Indologist Max Mueller, hired on behalf of The British Raj to discredit and mythologize vedic culture in order to turn Indians into “brown Englishmen” as they said, and to baptize them. Europe and America (including England up to the time of its colonial and economic interests in India) had very favorable impressions of Vedic ideas and culture. Beethoven, who based music on the philosophical Upanishads, and others up to Bohr and Oppenheimer. Mueller’s date was completely speculative and without evidence, while modern archaeological findings using satellites have located historical sites along the now-disappeared Saraswati river basin, which is described as many miles wide in the Vedas. Geological studies applied to Vedic descriptions date the Vedas at least several millennia earlier. Indeed astronomical archaeology pushes the vedic culture into the remotest antiquity.
The so called vedic vocabulary found among the Mitanni are not surely Indo Iranian. They have innovations that are present in post Vedic times, some that predate vedic times, and others that are Iranian innovations. Indo Iranian is not only restricted to Iranian and Indo Iranian branches, there are also, probably Nuristani and Dardic (closer to Indic or a very divergent language inside Indic language) and I haven't found anyone trying to locate Mittani within this continuous.
@@MTd2 who are they? Kashmir is named after one of the seven most famous vedic Saint Kashyapa, if you are speaking about the Kalash they are pure aryans as they get their name from the Kailash mountain and they actually worship lord Shiva, and if you are speaking about Pashtuns they are the direct descendants of the Paktha tribe mentioned in the Mahabaratha, name one, the remaining are the Marauders who came from Iran along with an Iranian decoit called Budshikan.
Social media is designed to deliver information in “fun size” portions. Which makes it a perfect engine for exploiting people who are vulnerable to pseudohistory and pseudoscience. It’s really unfortunate.
This comes from people stealing Indian maths & science & claiming it as their own.. for eg. Algebra was not from middlle east.. they just gave it their own translations.. same with europeans directly stealing theorems & fromulas from Indian texts & making patents after patents on them.. & then concocting a lie called 'Aryan invasion theory' which is now being debunked via gene studies.
Loved the video. ❤ I was having trouble parsing through the Saraswati river literature. Your explanation helped me understand them. It was succint and precise. I was hoping to get a better understanding of the sources of the vedas as we know them. As I understand there were a few different sources across a few monasteries and families. And that there were quite a few linguistic puzzles and source errors while composing the current version of the vedas that we have. Would love to hear your thoughts about them.
I always believed in the Saraswati river dating of rigveda but I have say you convinced me otherwise. Great video. I will wait for the older evidence for rigveda 😊
Tradition of writing sanskirit on palm leaves did not seem to exisit in north india or in the gangetic plains, because there are no palm trees to suitably write so. If palm leaf writing system was so prevalent in the north india richly contributing to sanskiritic literature and texts, we don't see the continuum of writing system in pottery, rock edicts, clay tablets or seals and ornaments etc . Also, except for rig vedas, the phonology and words used in samhitas, brahamanas upnaishads, aryanakas of other vedas are very different and don't represent in their purest forms of rig vedas and seem to be in early to mideaval prakrit or pali and seem to be composed during gupta era in CE. Hittites and maryanus and sanskirit speakers may be from the same ancestral clans and worshipped the same deities and may be surviving around 1300 BCE or even before. But, that doesnt have any bearing to antiquity and evolution of sanskirit script, although they were exisited orally as languages. However, all unanimously agree rig veda samitas represent that they represent the oldest phonetic form of sanskirit, transcending from indoiranian linguistic family after the fall of harrappans and formation of aryan settlements in the indus region.
@@WorldofAntiquitySir, I am of the opinion that this reference is not about the Hindu Goddess Saraswati, who is the Goddess of learning, and if any boon is absent among the ones that they were asking, then it is the blessing of knowledge and the ones that are present are not usually associated to her. So it is definitely the Saraswati river and they are probably mentioning about here in her full glory too because the very heart of the Vedic culture is the emphasis on being brutally honest without which the person is not qualified to be a Brahmin or study the Vedas (reference: satyam shaucham titiksha karuna.. qualities of a Brahmana from the Bhagavad Gita, satyam is truthfulness). So, it could then mean 3000+ BCE.
@@WorldofAntiquity Thank you Sir for taking some busy time off and replying. I appreciate all your hard work. 😊🙏🏻 I noted that the verse speaks of her flowing all the way to the ocean. This could mean that the reference is to a time when the river ran her full course. Thank you once again for all your meticulous research and your kindness to share it with the world. 😊🙏🏻 Namaste!😊🙏🏻
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@@WorldofAntiquity Hello There , For context about Mother Saraswathi , Saraswathi devi is mother of knowledge and one of the main deity in the trinity.
Shiva-Paravathi(destruction),Lakshmi-Narayna(maintainance),Bramha-Saraswathi(creation).
So why Mother saraswathi descended on earth being the main deity ?
Mata saraswathi descended on earth due to a curse in argument with matha lakshmi and ganga , where mata saraswathi got curse to stay on earth as river (which is boon for humans as knowledge in the area got increased),later shiva gave boon that ganga descents on earth in the saraswathi river and mata saraswathi can return back(river drying up). curse for mata lakshmi is to get kidnapped by demon(ramayana),curse for ganga is to leave vaikuntam from narayan feet(where ganga originated) to bramha lok then eventually on earth
@Kalyan-reddy what knowledge did saraswati give to this world?
@@floridaman4073 google dr. Nilesh oak and specially find surya siddhanta. 🙏
I once described the Rig Veda as "a sacred text for Hindus, but an even more sacred text for historical linguists"
As a linguist, I appreciate this :) If Sanskrit had never been written down, but had simply evolved orally into the modern Indic languages, we could still get by, but we'd be missing a lot of detail in the reconstruction of Proto-Indo-European.
Print version of RigVeda found in the year 1460. As per UNESCO....
As an Indian Hindu, that gave me a happy tear ❤
I wonder if similar holds true of the Gathas for Parsees. Historical linguists are nuts for them. Parsees would venerate the Gathas only inasmuch as they're part of the Avesta
I find this quite quick Witted. 😁
This is my first "Thanks" in my life to any creator. Appreciate your work!
And thank you!
@@WorldofAntiquity dude.. stop propagating lies . Oldest surviving copy of rigveda is from 1464 AD.
And the sanskrit language developed by Buddhist people, in Buddhist university spread across india ( from Afganistan to burma ) .
And we have evidence of Panini being Buddhist scholor at that time .
Sanskrit language itself wasn't existed before Buddha , at time of buddha language was Pali pakrit. There are tons of rock inscription written in Pali Prakrit language.
Now its matter of common sense that without certain language or sound or pronounciation Sanskrit script should not be existed.
You trying to say that when all ancient India was writing and speaking in pali pakrit or Kharosti scripture , these Brahmins used talk in Sanskrit 😂 .. 1st joke.
The rock inscription from syria you showed us was not in sanskrit.. but its pronounciation is sounds like sanskrit. Only Hindu historians and British puppet like you who do not have deep knowledge and influnced by indian veiwers claims that Sanskrit is oldest language.
We have now evidence that how Sanskrit was evolved from Pali pakrit language.
Because Sanskrit itself is so complicated that is can not be invented by some random magical dude sitting in jungle.
Sanskrit can only be formed by academics like scholars. And in india there are more 39 universities has been discovered, some of them was 9 storeys building.
We do not have any evidence of writter ( Ved Oyas who is mythological ) nor any Archeological artifacts from Vaidic era .
And there is no evidence of Horse being used in indus valley civilisation , but in rigved there are many examples of horse sacrificings .
And still no one have decrypted the Indus valley script. So dont try to sneak your poorly copy ved into indus valley civilisation.
Ved is nothing more than a poor copy paste of Buddhist scriptures with some own added bullshit 😂.
@@a.i.serina9920bro don't be serious.. He is just earning his Livelihoodby targeting indian Audience with Hindu mejorty 😂.
And people are giving coins too 😂
First panini was described in Chinese travelars book , traveler was Itsing who was came to Nalanda University
At least 90% of the hindus never learned to read Vedic Sanskrit and never will. And chances are they have never read a word for word translation and probably never will.
So, at least 90% of all the hindus do not know what is written in the 4 vedas!
Well it happens when you don't just follow one book 🤷🏻♂️
True and it’s sad. Our entire foundation of religion is based on Vedas but most don’t even bother to read the translation or any book in general. Even 90% is generous amount since that would mean 10% know how to read Sanskrit and have learned Vedas. Now a days the number will go even down since there is general hatred towards Hinduism by wokes.
@@cosmos1487 Vedas themselves aren’t one book
Those 90% would have molten lead poured in their ears if they listened to vedas.
It was because teaching sanskrit was banned during British colonialism
I'm always amazed at how detailed and well researched your videos are. I hope that you don't get too much hate for this video. I know that this topic is very political for some. The real question is this: When are we getting an audiobook of Dr. Miano reading the Rig Veda for us?
Thanks so much! Ha, I hadn't thought about an audio book.
@@WorldofAntiquity When will you write a book or make a video focusing on the harm being done by Uncharted X, Graham Hancock, Brien Foerster, etc? We need you to do it!
Thank you so much for all of your excellent work, the great collaborations, and your wonderful travel videos. I love all of it. ❤
@@WorldofAntiquity Sir, please please please please discuss the research work of Shrikant Talageri on the topic, I know you may not agree on his conclusion, but please give some platform to his works too, which is what I think the problem with Indology in the west (as well as in India), they never wanted to hear the other sides arguments, in between the ongoing tug-of-war between Nationalist and Marxist (and Dravidian thugs) in India he is the only scholar who approached this topic with greatest of honesty, please cover his point of views as well. Instead of wasting time on jokers like Nilesh Oak.
I am saddened by non existent Aryan invasion existing in our civilizations. The lndians were wearing silk whilst the European civilisation were living in caves and had kill animals to wear their skins?
@@cattymajiv What harm? Plenty of people find the speculation they offer interesting. Or are you of the opinion we already know all the facts and speculation has no place in archeology? Who exactly is being hurt by what they do? A bunch or random internet people?
Studying ancient indian cultures is not easy, which is why this is yet another brilliant video from this channel.
Its damn easy.tell me if you need some help.
Garbage video. Full of mistakes, incorrections, superficial conclusions and relying on lack of research in this field.
This described Vaidik vedas writtened only after 1200 AD only.
The text name taken from Tamil siddha vedas and contents from Zoroastrianist texts etc...
@@Samyakindialife Tamil is oldest language sarr🥸
@@Samyakindialife if vedas are writtened after 12 as then why Did adi Shankaracharya (in 8th century) mentioned about vedas 🥱 why Did Chandragupta Maurya (300bce)did yagya? 🥱Cope harder dhamil nigg@ Dravidian
I've been doing self study of Vedic scriptures for a year (translated into English) it feels amazing
Currently I'm on the 5th Mandala of Rigveda
@PavitShokeen beyond that! I am an archaeologist and paleontologist 😊
Even the antique tridents uncovered of Hindu supreme God Shiva themselves have been dated back to at least 100k years in the timeline!
In Prakrit literature, the Ramayana is estimated beyond 100k years! This is subject to change with archaeological evidence 😊
The VEDAS are much older than that from Brahma kalpa and even modern dating calculations!
We are looking for evidence to corroborate that 😊
@@StevenKilnergreat observation . And extremely educative to all people.
@@mahendrakvuppala3047 thanks! It's not easy to dig up earth and establish credentials to accumulate and prove a concept! Even with LIDAR now there are significant challenges due to the layers of earth embedded!
However, even from historical records and stone tablets type evidence, there's enough indication. BEST part is probably the unearthing of evidence 🌎 over, example: recent trident from Cebu Philippines.
That's a big help even with Anunnaki Sumerian Akkadian aspects 😊
@@StevenKilner: Salute to all studies and the saints who did it.... Bhim betka cave paintings in M.P. depicted 80+thousands yers old proved by carbon dating. Their all paintings of men riding elephent horses with bow sword etc etc shown
Did you find gravitation laws macwell Einstein equations higgs boson nuke technology viman building etc?
Rigveda never got the it's credit that it deserves in world stage because of indian govts hate towards Hinduism.
No truth allowed here
Correct.
Yes.
What are you even talking about the Indian govt though a secular state centred mostly around Hinduism
Sharma ji real Id se aao,tum 52 nahi manoge
Awesome video. It's so hard to find ppl just talking neutrally about Indian history nowadays. Everyone is either propagating a narrative, or a counter-narrative. But at the same time, it probably just reflects the mindset of viewers who just look for confirmation bias. But your approach was interesting, and I have an appreciation for how to ask questions on history, so thank you!
Be careful by making such immediate judgement, watch few of his videos, you will immediately know that this person is already on a particular agenda. Example available in this same video itself let me tell you how-
He mentioned about the Chariot found in Sinauli as a cart because of solid wheel. And then immediately moved on to other topics.
At the same site at the exact same time those people also found 5 swords, war shield, and helmet, he did not discussed about that, because he knew that those things may prove this to war chariot and it is against his already believed opinions
Just check my latest comment. *Scientifically* shown evidence from rainfall in Thar dating to *5500 BC and 3000 BC* only
He has agenda
@@pravinupadhyay2046 Yes ✅....
This is the ultimate truth.
The Aryans didn't came to India from Europe rather these khacchar moved there from India
@@pravinupadhyay2046and he’s right
Thanks!
This is the first time I've felt that I had to contribute and comment after one of your videos, or any RUclips video for that matter - because I hadn't heard or read this explanation - about the river Saraswati - done so well anywhere else. It's obvious that a great deal of work has gone into this - Thanks!
And thank you!
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Just check my latest comment. *Scientifically* shown evidence from rainfall in Thar dating to *5500 BC and 3000 BC* only
Same vein of 'erudite research' ala Audrey Truschke. This man takes aim often at Hinduism. He's been doing this for years. Don't trust the sweet words. Read the THOUSANDS of properly researched books by Indologists, not this agenda driven RUclips idiot who concludes Saraswati references are pointless. Don't accept everything these charlatans hand you about your own history.
Thanks! love your videos.
Thank you too!
Hey vijay see santan samiksha
Same vein of 'erudite research' ala Audrey Truschke. This man takes aim often at Hinduism. He's been doing this for years. Don't trust the sweet words. Read the THOUSANDS of properly researched books by Indologists, not this agenda driven RUclips idiot who concludes Saraswati references are pointless. Don't accept everything these charlatans hand you about your own history.
in Indonesian, Griha means Griya (House). Kula means Keluarga (Family). Quite similar. Pretty cool to know.
Well most of south east asia was hindu in ancient time and the culture was also same.
We were all Hindu later Buddhist once, people to people contact existed among different clans and Tribes, and Nations. Sharing of knowledge was seen as duty among Dharmic Nations
@@animex8129nope... migrations of indo aryan languages speakers influenced many south asian languages in ancient times
@@linguaAndthoughts half knowledge
@@animex8129There are two things here to clarify
1. Claiming South Asia was initially Hindu, and considering Hindu practices as complex is acceptable.
2. Indo-Aryan languages speakers migrated and have contributed loanwords to other languages like South Indian languages and Indonesian. We see similarities, but these languages originally had native vocabulary that was erased after influence. It is a fact
Thanks again, I love your videos, the details, the explanations about how we know these things, great tools against internet disinformation!
And thank you!
Same vein of 'erudite research' ala Audrey Truschke. This man takes aim often at Hinduism. He's been doing this for years. Don't trust the sweet words. Read the THOUSANDS of properly researched books by Indologists, not this agenda driven RUclips idiot who concludes Saraswati references are pointless. Don't accept everything these charlatans hand you about your own history.
Thanks you, I love your content, thanks from Japan🙏🌸
And thank you!
Unfortunately at different stages of my archeological journey, I was a believer of both the extreme dates, one that makes vedic culture seem like a child born yesterday and the other that makes dinosaurs look like little babies. And let me tell you, you wouldn't have liked to argue with me at either of those stages, I was just blind to reason.
I think I've matured in that sense and do try take a long, critical, third-person look at subjects like these.
You're clearly a very fair minded person now, admirable. I'm not a Hindu, but it is possible to believe the spirit of the claims (the eternal message of the scriptures, universal compassion etc) while not being dogmatic and narrow-minded.
All religions have been interpolated by humans, and made extremists of many people. Religion, IMHO had the primary role of creating a system of ethics underpinned by compassion and justice. But all religions have been twisted and added and corrupted over time.
@@kaisersozay99I don't think I've ever agreed more with another human being about religion.
I have similar opinions about the origins and growth of religion in human society, it has it's pros and cons simultaneously and is definitely a big part of human history. I think that even a slightly reasonable person can take the goods from these different lines of beliefs and customs and lead a great life whether they believe in God or gods or neither without falling for all the illogical and superstitious aspects of them.
Ya gotta!
@@kaisersozay99I am inclined to believe that the ones that were not considered religious (possibly biased, just saying) were labeled pagan, occultist...
That's what I'm reading thus far, my belief is stable, I'm open to confirmation, positive as well as negative. Gives me a desire to see how this next century plays out, as I am only 62
Yeah, the thing is that we really shouldn't take history and archaeology personal. It was more or less the norm way back and everyone claimed their civilization was the greatest, conquered most lands and had ties to ancient mythical places.
But we kinda have to reel ourselves in a bit and look on what the actual evidence say. In texts like this we do have some. We have the language itself in the text. We have what kind of artifacts and geography it describes and we have what archaeology shows us that fits with the descriptions in the text.
And sure, we could still be wrong with a few hundred years based on all that due to dating problems and the fact that we don't always find the earliest examples of things like chariots, it might take a few hundred years before one gets preserved.
But if 90% of all evidence points towards one date and you have a single thing pointing towards one severely different in either direction, something doesn't really add up with the last one. The alternate history gang tends to take that single oddity and ignoring everything else but that isn't really following the evidence, a single possibly faulty carbon dating or poetic description does not really trump a large number of evidence but it course could tell you that it might be worth rechecking all the evidence and look for more, but being certain without doing all that homework is bad science.
In either case, this is still a very important work and fascinating as well.
I had someone claim the hindu texts were 50,000 years old. I asked if they meant that the stories were that old, passed down orally for 50,000 years, they said "no, they were written down 50,000 years ago" I didn't even know where to begin to explain how that simply isn't possible. Perhaps I will point them to this video...
Not 50000 years but Ramayana is claimed to be 7000 years old or 5114 BC. So, Rigveda would be little older than that.
@poohthegreatslayer not written down, it isn't. Writing wasn't invented that far back.
The oral tradition might go back 7000 years, but it certainly wasn't written down then. Let alone 50,000 years ago.
There is a lot of vested interest culturally in this being the "oldest of the old" and you'll see this play out often in the comments on any video about Indian books or culture. It will happen in the comments here guaranteed. Some people are really attached to the idea that their culture is "the oldest" which leads them to believe wild claims about their own culture which support this theory like the one you encountered claiming this was written 50k years ago which is obviously impossible for a lot of reasons not the least of which is the documented and well-traced invention of writing and pictograph. I'm not mad at these people for believing what they were told. But that's the same reason racism lives on, so the better way to go would be to not just believe what you are told but rather go and seek out the evidence and go wherever the facts lead you. Anyway I just think it's an issue when you're so committed to being "the oldest" that you'll believe anything in order to get to that conclusion. Very dangerous thinking.
@@bipolarminddroppings I think you should understand that most of the Hindu text were "shruti" (Which is passed down by word of mouth). Also there is smriti it is written by authors who wanted to give their view. No one is claiming to be 50000 years ago. He might have listened to some propaganda. According to star placement in the sky, ramayana and mahabharat dates were determined by Sanskrit and vedic scholars. Yes, it is hard to prove but if we get more archeological evidence of earlier kingdoms then we can determine such things.
I'm Indian and it's sad that people want to prove everything is India centric..
It is really interesting and beautiful to see the understanding you have of the ethno-linguistically motivated culture wars inside the Indian political scene. Tamils (like my own family) love to brag about how old Tamil is compared to the invader's language of Sanskrit ad nauseam, just like how the Sanskrit supremacists love to brag about how Sanskrit is 10000 years old. Both are equally grueling to listen to. Amazing video and an amazing set of insights as always :). Have been a follower since your early days. Lots of love
"Both are equally gruelling to listen to". Love it. ❤
its quite funny that only some Tamils are averse to Sanskrit, whereas no other Dravidian language speakers feel the same way. In fact, Kannada, Malayalam and Telugu speakers are very proud of the Sanskrit influence in their languages and consider Sanskrit to be their own language, rather than something to be exclusively held by the North. Interestingly, many historic kingdoms and empires that ruled Tamil Nadu also made use of Sanskrit. This unfortunate idea that Sanskrit is an invaders language is largely a political thing, just as politicians everywhere in India and the world incite hatred for their own political gains.
harish may be sanskrit is as old as observations recorded in surya siddhanta
Bro, anyways you don't win. As Aryan Theory goes, Whites are Aryan & Christian, so anyways you must have converted to Christianity...you are following the Aryan either way 😂 Sad for you
I love this perspective, though personally I would love to hear more about old Tamil documents and stories if only because of the combined factors that it does have older physical written examples than Sanskrit, and that it is much less well-known in the West
This is everything I wanted in a 'History of the Rig Veda' video - a scientific and rational approach. Grateful to you for sharing all this knowledge for free! Thank you🙏
Aryan invasion is outdated nonsense with all die respect based on the nonsense of max mueller who thought the earth was 6000 years old and tried to got the Vedas into that timeline. He was a Christian fundamentalist and his bias is clear.
An example of a different interpretation of the common words shared by Tamil and Sanskrit is the refreshing 1979 observation of Franklin Southworth, a linguist from the University of Pennsylvania. According to his analysis: 'these two lists [Dravidian and Indo-Aryan] both seem to suggest a rather wide range of cultural contacts, and that they do not show the typical (or stereotypical) one-sided borrowing relationship expected in a colonial situation'. Southworth continued, 'No picture of technological, cultural or military dominance by either side emerges from an examination of these words'.
The word Aryan in Sanskrit originally meant “one who follows a civilization whose aim was self-realization.” The aryans whose language and religion was Sanskrit and the Vedas were the forefathers of the Indo-Europeans. There is no proof aryans invaded India. Never in the Vedas are an external homeland mentioned. The Vedas are originally said to date to 1500-2000 and the alleged invasion of aryans into India would have taken place about 500 years later. To say they would have forgotten their homeland is like saying modern Americans forgetting their European roots.
Modern indologists more or less arbitrarily date the Vedas to the mid-second millennium bc, a date given by the German preacher-turned Indologist Max Mueller, hired on behalf of The British Raj to discredit and mythologize vedic culture in order to turn Indians into “brown Englishmen” as they said, and to baptize them.
Europe and America (including England up to the time of its colonial and economic interests in India) had very favorable impressions of Vedic ideas and culture. Beethoven, who based music on the philosophical Upanishads, and others up to Bohr and Oppenheimer. Mueller’s date was completely speculative and without evidence, while modern archaeological findings using satellites have located historical sites along the now-disappeared Saraswati river basin, which is described as many miles wide in the Vedas. Geological studies applied to Vedic descriptions date the Vedas at least several millennia earlier. Indeed astronomical archaeology pushes the vedic culture into the remotest antiquity.
Check-Indian Civilisation: The Untold Story - Revisited | Raj Vedam | Aryan Invasion/Migration Theory
Just check my latest comment. *Scientifically* shown evidence from rainfall in Thar dating to *5500 BC and 3000 BC* only
Not sure he has just taken studies from western historians. What he misses completely is
When was the original because remember that it was passed not in written form.
Never explains that such a language does not fall out of thin air in a few years. There is probably at least a few thousand years or maybe even more before it became Sanskrit.
@@totallypointlessvideos3832 The predecessor of Sanskrit was some sort of a Proto Indo European language which was spoken in the Yamnaya and the Sintashta culture (Where the Aryans come from). So the mythological deities in the Vedas most probably have older origins than 1500 BCE. But the Vedas (which are written to worship these deities )would most likely have originated around 1500 BCE
The Sanskrit in the Rig vedas is different from the Sanskrit we know today.
Hence the meaning of the words could be very different from the words in Panini version of Sanskrit known today.
Which makes the Rig Veda more elusive.
Very well explained video.😊
I agree entirely with with Mr . Arthur Bruce. The Rigveda, The Yadurveda and the Ten Upanishadas are parts of world heritage.
Thanks!
And thank you!
I'm an Indian! Senior citizen! I never read or even thought of Vedas! But seeing you discussing the ancient history of Vedic period ,I got interested ! Thanks a lot ! For unknown reasons, I have always been a student of ancient Egypt !! Subscribed!!
Not an unknown reason before people didnt have much resources to promote their culture and hence atttacted fo foreign culture through movies.
Its no one's fault just how nature goes
Colonised coolie that is what u are. Only following western culture.
@@cosmos1487do you want everything to be spoon fed to you? Plenty of translations available online, both indian and western translations, with a simple click of the button. Indian history is vast, and impossible to teach in school. Pursue higher education in history and all this is studied in deep. It’s nice to feel like someone is keeping knowledge hidden from you. Take the effort. Read. The information is out there. Blame yourself for not taking interest and initiative, not others who forgot to spoonfeed you. Look at the person you responded to, they are senior citizen and yet eager to learn!!
rigveda date is 1464ad as per unesco ..hinduism is 500year old
@@riddunyra4373 Hinduism is not 500 years old lol. The name is new, but the traditions have existed with older names and recognized each other as part of an ecosystem. Vedic and Shramanic traditions existed since earlier than 500 BC, exchanged ideas and concepts, and even waged atrocities on each other. Show me one peer respected author saying that Hinduism as a concept is from 1500 AD (500 years old) lol.
the amount of indian scholars , historians and archaelogists in the comment section is astounding
tera hajam nahi ho raha hai?
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@@hajmolakigoli Tera naam waah waah
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Yes we hindus have good grip on our culture nothing to laugh like a fool
Coming from my own secular Jewish perspective, this video is an interesting reflection of something that goes on in Judaism, too. Generally, the older a Jewish religious text is, the more accurate it's considered to be, and thus the more weight it is given within the Jewish tradition. This is why Moses de Leon, the probable author of the Zohar, pretended that he'd discovered a 1,000-year-old text in a cave, rather than admitting he'd written it himself.
Lol 😅 In rig veda there is a River called Saraswat ( a holy river) i was mentioned 25 times near which they pray. That river completely dried up around 4000bc . If veda was written around 800bc where was the river in hell!
@@deepakkumardipu4912 because it was not fully dried up. he mentioned it in this video
That is completely incorrect and not at all why he did that. Parts of the Zohar are indeed orally dated to the time of Shimon Bar Yochai. Leon added significant portions but there is no doubt older parts remain. The same is true of the Sefer Yetzirah which has parts from the time of Abraham. Oral traditions are different than written. You make the same mistake this very video calls out.
And, much of the content he wrote was independently verified as having been known to the Rabbis. Kabbalah was Sod, there is no denial of this, and your inane attempt to pretend everything was public is an affront to hashem
As another secular Jewish person, I'd love to see similar content about our history to. Sam Arronow has a pretty good channel but a more archeological perspective would be great.
The concept of
GOD
SOUL
KARMA
ENLIGHTENMENT
is given by sanatanis(hindu) to all world ,how will you explain Indian gods in Maya ,Aztec ,olmec civilization
One Big Mistake in this Video.
Saraswati river was named after Goddess Saraswati. Saraswati is Goddess of Knowledge, Wisdom and intelligence.
So not every Mention of Saraswati is a Mention of River. Some verses are mentioning Goddess Saraswati that was worshipped way before river was named Saraswati.
THANK YOU FOR POINTING IT OUT AND GODDESS SARASWATI HAS AN IMPORYANT RELATION WITH TRINITY 'BRAHMA' WHOSE SEAT IS AT 'PUSHKAR', AN AREA NOT TOO FAR AWAY FROM THE REGIONS DESCRIBED AS AREA OF SARASWATI RIVER. SO A VERY IMPORTANT POINT IS BEING MADE HERE. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
In the bright side is how we are more become educated with these kind of video(information) and all, in the other way is how disturbing it is where you let somebody to tell you how your culture work.
Hey I don't know a lot about this things but still I find this video informative and thankful for that but if there're things don't match up here and there according to what I already know about the topic, well that is something to think about or to dig deeper for more information
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It's the other way around.
Bro he said that 35:15
the mention of a river saraswati is much older than the mention of a goddess saraswati. so you r totally wrong.
so its could be the other way round.
This was a succinct and very lucid explanation. I have copied the link to this into my personal files on this subject. Thank you once again Dr. Miano!
You've done it again, Mr.Miano. Loved every minute of this video as I have all your previous takes on Dwarka and Gobekli Tepe. Might I also add, there is a river in Afghanistan, Helmand who's tributary was called Haraxvāiti in older times. There's an S/H shift which is common in indo iranian/aryan branches such as Old Avestan and Rig Vedic Sanskrit. The name is pretty similar to Saraswati though !
Also, some authors ( one of them was a freedom fighter/a founding figure in India's freedom struggle - Bal Gangadhar Tilak ) have proposed an arctic home for the tribes described in the earliest khandas of the Rig Vedas based on their description of the sky above them ( the constellations in the elliptic then vs now ) suggesting an origin near southern ukraine which I've always found interesting. Would love to hear your take on it someday as well.
I thought about including a discussion of the Helmand, but it doesn't seem to be a very common view these days.
@WorldofAntiquity I'm no expert but I was also going to ask about the Helmand as I see a lot of textual evidence and found it convincing.
There's no reason to suppose that Indo Aryans had anything to do with Harappan civilization. To me the attempts to connect them seem tortured. Harappan iconography shows a cultural continuity with India today while the gods of the Rig Veda, the fire altars, etc are remarkably similar to the Iranian gods and religious practices.
People have trouble understanding that languages are not genetics. Hungarians have only a 3% genetic connection to Finns, but they don't speak a Slavic language, they speak a language related genetically to Finnish. India isn't any less Indian for having IE languages just as Europe isn't any less European for the same.
You know what’s really interesting bruu , is that in Ukraine , they have found an ancient symbol of the swastika which means this region was part of an ancient Vedic culture ! I think when the Vedic culture expanded due to the septarishs going out to help humanity we are probably looking at a very long time ago , I mean how old is sanatana dharma ?
@@rogerwolfe1888 Why do you think that a swastika means Vedic?
@@WorldofAntiquity I knew that using the word Vedic would get me in trouble ! So the question is what culture did the symbol come out of ? Perhaps it is a universal symbol , some Native American tribes have it but the word swastika is a Sanskrit word and and has meaning in the Vedic traditions and was and is used by sanatana dharma ! There I didn’t even use the word Hindu ! Now go back to your desk and argue over other petty questions ! I know what the symbol means and that’s good enough for me ! So there dude
Another fascinating video! Thanks, Prof. Miano, for your excellent work.
This is fantastic and I'm only 12 mins in!
You should get him on your podcast.
Derek, I love your channel too.
Amazing analysis. This is much needed especially in this world of using things out of context to propagate a narrative.
What narrative?
Aryan invasion is outdated nonsense with all die respect based on the nonsense of max mueller who thought the earth was 6000 years old and tried to got the Vedas into that timeline. He was a Christian fundamentalist and his bias is clear.
An example of a different interpretation of the common words shared by Tamil and Sanskrit is the refreshing 1979 observation of Franklin Southworth, a linguist from the University of Pennsylvania. According to his analysis: 'these two lists [Dravidian and Indo-Aryan] both seem to suggest a rather wide range of cultural contacts, and that they do not show the typical (or stereotypical) one-sided borrowing relationship expected in a colonial situation'. Southworth continued, 'No picture of technological, cultural or military dominance by either side emerges from an examination of these words'.
The word Aryan in Sanskrit originally meant “one who follows a civilization whose aim was self-realization.” The aryans whose language and religion was Sanskrit and the Vedas were the forefathers of the Indo-Europeans. There is no proof aryans invaded India. Never in the Vedas are an external homeland mentioned. The Vedas are originally said to date to 1500-2000 and the alleged invasion of aryans into India would have taken place about 500 years later. To say they would have forgotten their homeland is like saying modern Americans forgetting their European roots.
Modern indologists more or less arbitrarily date the Vedas to the mid-second millennium bc, a date given by the German preacher-turned Indologist Max Mueller, hired on behalf of The British Raj to discredit and mythologize vedic culture in order to turn Indians into “brown Englishmen” as they said, and to baptize them.
Europe and America (including England up to the time of its colonial and economic interests in India) had very favorable impressions of Vedic ideas and culture. Beethoven, who based music on the philosophical Upanishads, and others up to Bohr and Oppenheimer. Mueller’s date was completely speculative and without evidence, while modern archaeological findings using satellites have located historical sites along the now-disappeared Saraswati river basin, which is described as many miles wide in the Vedas. Geological studies applied to Vedic descriptions date the Vedas at least several millennia earlier. Indeed astronomical archaeology pushes the vedic culture into the remotest antiquity.
Narratives on "vedic society", "indo aryan", "indo europian" which are non existent. These were mere concoctions of proselytising abrahamics starting with Max Muller.
This video was going well untill he stopped evidence at the end and starts ranting about exaggeration. Lol. Typical butthurt western scholar who can't cope that Hindus are older than their ancestors
Same vein of 'erudite research' ala Audrey Truschke. This man takes aim often at Hinduism. He's been doing this for years. Don't trust the sweet words. Read the THOUSANDS of properly researched books by Indologists, not this agenda driven RUclips idiot who concludes Saraswati references are pointless. Don't accept everything these charlatans hand you about your own history.
Dr. Miano thank you for the excellent presentation. You have explained so well. I am an amateur historian. It is so wonderful to listen to your explanations. You are so clear and precise with your interpretations. Thank you so much.
Thank you Dr. Miano.
Thank you very much. I revisited your podcast a number of times. You have explained things so well!
LOVE YOUR WORK, Great Job....best video about history of rig Veda so far.
Thanks
And thank you!
Love history and love your channel for being historically accurate. Appreciate how much research you do before you make your videos. Love how you bust those myths. Thank you for your work sir. Hope your channel continue to grow and you have time and energy to maintain it.
Love your work because the presentation is simple and direct. Cont. success.
Brilliant video, good analysis.
Fascinating stuff, Doc! Thanks for all the hard work you put into this. I've never studied the Vedas, but this video has made me interested.
🎊🎊🎉🎉🥁🥁your journey to enlightenment starts now.
This is great info and definately narrows down the time period, the long reading on the Saraswati seemed to come almost out of nowhere though didn't really understand where you were going until you finished the reading.
Great effort and thank you for this presentation.
Panini's Astadhyaya is a treatise for Indian linguistic scholars if not for the world, but when we are trying to date it, we should realize Panini had only compiled the existing knowledge during those times. The knowledge in it full form was matured and in use during his time.
As the whole argument in this video of Rigveda's time line is based on Saraswathi river itself, where is the scope of undermining the description itself as exaggeration, doesn't add up.
It is important to look Vedas beyond the mundane daily bread and butter requirements by praying to gods or deities. Mind you, before penning down, these are orally transmitted for several centuries. Why the priests with so much strict diet control, life style and rigorous postures learn these verses with an aim to pass it on? The meaning and use of words are entirely different in those times. Cows means energy such as potential, and horses mean kinetic energy and so on. These are nothing but invisible forces that drive the universe, human body etc.
Most of the words on these Hymns can be arranged differently and read such as Ghanapatha, which gives a whole different meaning or hidden meaning. Meaning Sanskrit language knowledge alone will not be sufficient to unlock Vedic secrets.
I wish someone will bring out the real intended meaning of Vedas by the end of kaliyuga.
How can we know what cows and horses were metaphors?
@@raiideas Start with "Secret of Vedas" by Dayananda Saraswathi to get a glimpse of it. Once should have a profound knowledge of the Universe and Human body working before transliterating the Vedas, else it will end up in trash can as Max's work.
@@paadipanta2607please explain how you can transpose "kinetic energy" and "potential energy" in place of horses and cows respectively.
Pretend Im a total and utter fool
Explain it to me like that.
@@daviddewford8862 In Hindu India, Shakthi is treated as Universal mother, and Shiva as universal energy. The Hindu thought always is the energy before creating universe is available in potential form, consider as Zero Point Energy field. This is also called Adwaitha, means there is no second, just energy in invisible form. It has no beginning or end but always there. With this kind of premise, the energy evolves into different forms. Cow is treated mother, and energy source. For the educating masses, the cow is expressed as energy source. Similarly, horse is the transformation of this energy into more active form, which is kinetic in nature. The ancient knowledge is same as what we know, but the words used are different. We are just reinventing what was already there or known to certain civilizations.
@@paadipanta2607 I thought Advaita Vedanta meant God is within me and my soul is the same parabrahman,not zero point energy field(By the way,what is a zero point energy field? Don't string some words together and think it's scientific.)
Coming back to your last statement,no,we are not reinventing everything that the ancients had already discovered. The scientific method doesn't work that way. Yes,we have built upon their knowledge,but that does not mean you'll blatantly discredit modern science.
I have watched all the Indian-related videos you have posted, including the last one about the Indus Valley Civilization. You have explained clearly how to approach history from an academic perspective. You also detailed the dating process of the Rig Vedas, which was very informative.
I have a huge request: could you provide a similar explanation for Tamil literature, especially how its dating is done? There's a lack of clear, public understanding about how these dates are determined. And please debunk all the stupidity it carries 😊
I suggest focusing on Sangam literature because it represents early Tamil poetry that is not influenced by Vedic literature. In fact, it is one of the few literary traditions in India that exists without Vedic influence, making it unique and important for study.
Thank you so much for the donation. Yes, I do hope to do some videos on Tamil in the future.
Just realized that Samhita = Sam (Sanskrit) + Hita (Sanskrit) = Same (English) + Good (English) = [for the] "Common Good" [of people]
i hope you dwell more into ancient india history. really fascinating stuff.
Like, for example?
@@dannystark7668Certainly! Here's a brief chronological overview of some key ancient Indian philosophies:
1. **Vedic Period (1500 BCE - 500 BCE)**:
- **Vedas**: Early Indian scriptures containing hymns, rituals, and philosophical speculations.
- **Upanishads**: Philosophical texts exploring the nature of reality, the self (Atman), and ultimate truth (Brahman).
2. **Brahmanical Period (500 BCE - 200 BCE)**:
- **Nyaya**: Systematic logic and epistemology, attributed to Gautama (not Buddha).
- **Vaisheshika**: Atomistic metaphysics and ontology, associated with Kanada.
- **Samkhya**: Dualistic philosophy positing the existence of Purusha (consciousness) and Prakriti (matter), attributed to Kapila.
- **Yoga**: Explores the methods and practices for self-realization, associated with Patanjali.
3. **Axial Age (6th - 5th century BCE)**:
- **Buddhism**: Founded by Siddhartha Gautama (Buddha), emphasizing the Four Noble Truths and the Eightfold Path.
- **Jainism**: Founded by Mahavira, emphasizing non-violence (ahimsa), asceticism, and karma theory.
4. **Classical Period (200 BCE - 1100 CE)**:
- **Nyaya-Sutra**: Systematized by Aksapada Gautama, focusing on logic, epistemology, and metaphysics.
- **Vaisheshika-Sutra**: Further developed by Kanada, focusing on atomistic metaphysics.
- **Purva Mimamsa**: Ritual and hermeneutics, emphasizing the authority of the Vedas.
- **Vedanta**: Philosophical traditions interpreting the Upanishads, including Advaita Vedanta (non-dualism), Vishishtadvaita Vedanta (qualified non-dualism), and Dvaita Vedanta (dualism).
5. **Medieval Period (1100 CE - 1800 CE)**:
- **Bhakti Movement**: Devotional traditions emphasizing the personal relationship with the divine, popularized by various saints across India.
- **Sufism**: Islamic mysticism that influenced Indian spiritual thought and practice.
These are just some of the major philosophical schools and movements in ancient Indian philosophy, each with its own unique perspectives on existence, consciousness, ethics, and the nature of reality.
I've been following your content for a while, but I immediately subscribed when I saw the TARDIS on your shelf, legendary
Super duper informative thread on India’s history.
I really love the knowledge and personality this channel gives the world. Great work, keep on sharing your views!
To this day in many prominent temples across India, Hindu priests since childhood practice tens of thousands of verses of vedas. That's how they memorize them. When they perform rituals at people's homes they chant mantras according to the occasion and explain the meaning in local language.
The body is a boat, the mind is the sailor, and the ocean of existence is vast and treacherous.”🙏🙏🙏
Well researched and well presented.
Your videos are by far the most precise and comprehensive analysis of the age and origin of Vedic civilization, I have come across on RUclips. I used to be on the fence about the Aryan migration theory. I can see now that this is the most empirically precise theory about the origin of Vedic civilization so far (in the light of all the genetic evidence explained by you so clearly in another video). Although understanding of the linguistic evidence still eludes me, given that I have very limited knowledge of this field.
I am interested in rigveda for political reasons.
Rigveda certainly compiled after the Battle of 10 kings. And it contains schools of thoughts of Rival Sages who supposedly fought each other in that Battle. So it also work as peace Treaty after a War.
Aryan invasion is outdated nonsense with all die respect based on the nonsense of max mueller who thought the earth was 6000 years old and tried to got the Vedas into that timeline. He was a Christian fundamentalist and his bias is clear.
An example of a different interpretation of the common words shared by Tamil and Sanskrit is the refreshing 1979 observation of Franklin Southworth, a linguist from the University of Pennsylvania. According to his analysis: 'these two lists [Dravidian and Indo-Aryan] both seem to suggest a rather wide range of cultural contacts, and that they do not show the typical (or stereotypical) one-sided borrowing relationship expected in a colonial situation'. Southworth continued, 'No picture of technological, cultural or military dominance by either side emerges from an examination of these words'.
The word Aryan in Sanskrit originally meant “one who follows a civilization whose aim was self-realization.” The aryans whose language and religion was Sanskrit and the Vedas were the forefathers of the Indo-Europeans. There is no proof aryans invaded India. Never in the Vedas are an external homeland mentioned. The Vedas are originally said to date to 1500-2000 and the alleged invasion of aryans into India would have taken place about 500 years later. To say they would have forgotten their homeland is like saying modern Americans forgetting their European roots.
Modern indologists more or less arbitrarily date the Vedas to the mid-second millennium bc, a date given by the German preacher-turned Indologist Max Mueller, hired on behalf of The British Raj to discredit and mythologize vedic culture in order to turn Indians into “brown Englishmen” as they said, and to baptize them.
Europe and America (including England up to the time of its colonial and economic interests in India) had very favorable impressions of Vedic ideas and culture. Beethoven, who based music on the philosophical Upanishads, and others up to Bohr and Oppenheimer. Mueller’s date was completely speculative and without evidence, while modern archaeological findings using satellites have located historical sites along the now-disappeared Saraswati river basin, which is described as many miles wide in the Vedas. Geological studies applied to Vedic descriptions date the Vedas at least several millennia earlier. Indeed astronomical archaeology pushes the vedic culture into the remotest antiquity.
Bro , Sanskrit did not attested a written script until 1st century BCE onwards
@@mscreationworks5787 no one accept that Sanskrit is only 2000 years old.
@@Vishnujanadasa108 2500 BC Rakhigarhi skeletons have no traces of 'Aryan gene', finds DNA study by . Dr. Niraj Rai who is the Head of the Ancient DNA Lab at Birbal Sahni Institute of Palaeosciences, Lucknow Uttar Pradesh
Even International genetic David Reich who is Head of Harvard School of Medicals said that Indus Valley people did not has genetic contribution from the steppes
The study - titled ‘An ancient Harappan genome lacks ancestry from Steppe pastoralists or Iranian farmers’
@@mscreationworks5787 Tripitaka mentions it
At 22:00 you mentioned that "iron" is not in the Rig Veda. But then you went on to show a hymn about the Saraswati river from the Rig veda, that uses the term "fortress of Iron". Could you please clarify if it's just a translation thing or something else?
Good question
Looked up, it uses a form of I believe "ayas" term, 'ayasa' in the text. Not a linguist or anything, someone who actually knows the language can give a better context. The verse citation was helpful.
"Ayas" can mean iron, copper (even saw a quote arguing for brass) and as such a different online translation I found leaves a rightfully generic meaning to the broad term as 'metal'.
Oh man, I missed that. Yes, it is a mistranslation. But I should have corrected it. As NewNecro said, Ayas can mean any metal. There is a different word, shyama-ayas (black metal), that actually means iron.
Thanks for the response. And for the Great video.
The word for metal in sanskrit would be 'dhatuia' or 'dhatvik' (origin of word 'dhatu' in hindi)
'ayas' has been strongly associated with iron @@WorldofAntiquity
Thanks for the brilliant video. Loved it. Although, a little confused on a small point. You mentioned that Right Veda precedes the use of Iron, yet in many RV texts projected by you in the video, the River Saraswati is mentioned as a "Fortress of Iron". Kindly clarify whether the " Fortress of Iron" is merely a metaphor used in the English translation or whether the term is explicitly used in RV.
See the note under the video.
"allankar" is a difficult concept to grasp and you did a great job proving it :)
Now that was a wonderful lecture. Thank you!
I find Dr. Tailigiri's analysis quite interesting in determining the age of the Rigveda. In his discussion, he compares the Mittani inscriptions with both the old and new books (maṇḍalas) of Rigveda , presenting a lot of compelling linguistic evidence. His conclusion is that all the names mentioned in Mittani inscriptions are similar to the new books of Rigveda, not the older ones. This sets a different chronology for the Rigveda and the spread of language.
They is an OLD regved and a NEW one? This is first time I am hearing this.
@@indiboy7 as far as I know Talegeri divides Rig Veda 10 mandalas as old and new much like in this video .
@@indiboy7I think he means different mandalas of the rig Veda not the rig Veda in itself.
@@indiboy7 Out of the Ten books of the Rigveda, book no. 6 is considered the oldest one. The chronological order of each book in the Rigveda is even more confusing than the Chronology of the Star Wars extended universe.
As always, a great breakdown of the findings and current theories. I have heard few questionable claims about cannabis in ancient history. Especially about it being in ancient middle eastern anointing oils. I imagine a video on the subject could potentially be a click factory.
Thank you for maintaining scientific integrity
The myth series is my most favourite video category on this great channel
there is a slight misconception when people look at the word composed... most of us think that composed means rig vedas were written down in devangari script in 1500BC which is absolutely a wrong misconception... as Rig Vedas are poems that are passed vocally until in some early period when devanagri was invented it was written down.
Please clear the misconception of the people.
Horse bones in a city prior to horse domestication are just as likely to be the remains of a meal. People were eating horses far longer than they have been riding them.
"Horse bones in a city prior to horse domestication are just as likely to be the remains of a meal." - but from where would they get horses to eat if horses had not already been domesticated? Note: the horse is not native to the Indian subcontinent.
@@TheDanEdwards Salted horse meat can be transported half across the world without perishing.
And then you have the fact that bones are a raw material used for a lot.
So domestication isn't needed to find horse bones even where horses don't exist.
@@benghazi4216 it is unlikely that the cured meat or jerky would contain bones. It would have added unnecessary, especially considering how heavy a horses carcass is.
@@UtkarshMSharma Cured meat does include bones. It's literally the most common form of cured meat. Go in to any butcher. Or just do an image search on Google.
Who on earth thinks you bring the whole carcass when traveling? You butcher it. But doesn't mean you carve it down into a million thin jerky pieces. Remember, you are a hunter on the move, in a constant life or death situation, especially when the other predators show up..
Oldest arcealogical sites in India have already found Horse War Chariots, Bronze Age solid-disk wheel, first-ever" physical evidence of chariots dating 2,000 BC - 1,800 BC was found at Sinauli, India's largest and 4000-year-old burial site. evidence of burials of warriors, weapons and chariots which is indigenous in nature, proving so called Aryan were indigenous People/Culture not invaders. Some claim found horse drawn chariots which were almost 5000 years old.
Excellent commentary and arguments
Your capacity to read and understand the issues in depth regarding various ancient cultures is astounding.You have deep knowledge about the archaeology,history,written literature and culture of various civilisations around the world.
Added to that,you have clear logical,analytical approach towards those subjects.
I always see in full all your videoes, those relating to India and south asia.
Thank you.🙏
Check-Indian Civilisation: The Untold Story - Revisited | Raj Vedam | Aryan Invasion/Migration Theory
Only if you like it from the perspective of an OTHER!
Thanks again Professor Miano. This is always the place to learn something new or more about something I knew.
I would really like to see your take on the myth (or not) about all martial arts descending from pankrateon taken by Alexander soldiers to India and then spreading to the rest of the Asian continent.
Is there a video that talks about this?
@@WorldofAntiquity Oh there's plenty but I believe the one I saw was either on Discovery Channel or History Channel.
There's several articles over the internet as well but I can't seem to find nothing "official".
@@miguelsacramento4416go and read about bodhidharman
Bruh tf? People actually believe that lol
Martial arts was greek? 😂
Search for kalaripayyatu
It is no surprise to me that written Sanskrit was in the Middle East. So many people in the Middle East look like the people of India. Sometimes you cannot tell the difference.
Professor, would you be so kind and do a similar piece about Avesta and Zoroastrian literature, please?
In the NWT the missionaries and fur traders have influenced so much the Indigenous people's history that now they only recall their history from this period so you want Zoroastrian literature history being told from a European perspective? I hope not!
@@bj6806 No. I prefer indigenous films by indigenious people in indigenous languages and paid by the same.
thank you for a very comprehensive overview on a subject that truly needs it. There is so much nuance to history that is oft overlooked; even if at times by mere oversight.
Do I believe a European over Indian history after previous works of British, German and others especially on the Rig Veda?
Fantastic video and very informative. I wouldn't be surprised if very small sections are extremely older than thought but not anywhere close to 30,000 years old.
Very well researched and even better presented! Unbiased and great clarity! 🙏
The same goes for a "worldwide flood" literally meaning the entire globe, when it was referring to a local flood that engulfed the region that encompassed the world of that civilization. People also forget that official documents were written for particular political purposes, one of those seldom being historical accuracy.
What I thought about mighty Sarasvati-river, is that maybe there was some old memory buried in the Rig Veda, about the old days when it flowed perennially all the way, which gave birth to the goddess Sarasvati. I know it's a bit stretching, but it's a thought.
Yes. gave me the same understanding too. The flooding scene gives an idea of monsoon. And then, the seven sister acknowledging the might of saraswati, gives the idea of an ongoing tension between sisters, about who's the best. Which indicates, Saraswati is not that mighty all year long. But, from distance memory, they know, She was the best.
The Godavari in Andhra Pradesh is a powerful tiger and it is monsoon fed!
If a 5000 year old skeletons from Indian Subcontinent does not have no traces of 'Aryan gene', finds the DNA study by . Dr. Niraj Rai who is the Head of the Ancient DNA Lab at Birbal Sahni Institute of Palaeosciences, Lucknow Uttar Pradesh .
Than , How could they known a river that flows through Indian Subcontinent 10, 000 years ago ? If their was never a genetic or DNA traces of 'Aryan gene' in Indian Subcontinent even in 5000 years ago
@@mscreationworks5787there is nothing like aryan gene
@@Chairman_LmaoZedong Bro , It has been proven by genetic Researchers that Indo European language speaking Steppe pastoralists who called themselves Arya migrated to Indian Subcontinent
34:18 ,,, it also says ' her course from mountains to the ocean ' . . . How can I not take this literally ?? also , why u didn't talk about it AT ALL .
+1
@@kumarraj197 because the river is revatilised in monsoon. During which, the dried up parts are briefly rejuvenated.
@@mast3rbang I think saraswati river was perennial
Same vein of 'erudite research' ala Audrey Truschke. This man takes aim often at Hinduism. He's been doing this for years. Don't trust the sweet words. Read the THOUSANDS of properly researched books by Indologists, not this agenda driven RUclips idiot who concludes Saraswati references are pointless. Don't accept everything these charlatans hand you about your own history.
The age of Vedas mentioned is Off by A LOT! Please check out Dr Nilesh Oak who has deciphered the age of Ramayana based off of Astronomy mentioned in the Ramayana Texts. You should be able to find his videos on RUclips!
If Mahabharata is atleast 5500 years old (when the Bhagavad Gita came into existence) then Rig Veda is many many eons older than that...
Nilesh Oak, the chemical engineer who thinks he is an astronomer and historian, has been disproved.
rajarammohanroy.medium.com/refutation-of-nilesh-oaks-astronomical-dating-of-mahabharata-to-5561-bce-110ff05711d8
benjaminindology.wordpress.com/2021/01/17/when-did-the-mahabharata-war-happen-debunking-mr-nilesh-oak/
Really nice and well-structured video. 45 min passed in the blink of an eye, I could watch even a 2-3 hour video of yours without pause if you do it with this much quality. Really nice change from the shorts and reels which just push a narrative with some added stupid BGM to make you feel like its legit
All of these ancient religious texts were once passed on in songs that went on for days.
Then late on it was written down in Sanskrit.
Careful, he'll come here and tell you to 'prove it'. That's his common response.
Loved your videos and respect how you reply almost every question from the comments 👍
Thank you for your impartial documentary about Sanskrit and Bharat's culture. Nowadays It's rare to find someone intellectual like you. I adore you and your tremendous work. The amount of hard work and research you have done is truly phenomenal ♥️♥️
One of the best channel i have seen so far. As a Hindu I always had problem with other hindus when they took things literally. They are our ancestors and I respect that but at the same we should acknowledge that they were also trying to understand their environment. They did what they can with whatever they had. We should see things historically and scientifically only. We need to keep our pride aside when searching for truth.
Aryan invasion is outdated nonsense with all die respect based on the nonsense of max mueller who thought the earth was 6000 years old and tried to got the Vedas into that timeline. He was a Christian fundamentalist and his bias is clear.
An example of a different interpretation of the common words shared by Tamil and Sanskrit is the refreshing 1979 observation of Franklin Southworth, a linguist from the University of Pennsylvania. According to his analysis: 'these two lists [Dravidian and Indo-Aryan] both seem to suggest a rather wide range of cultural contacts, and that they do not show the typical (or stereotypical) one-sided borrowing relationship expected in a colonial situation'. Southworth continued, 'No picture of technological, cultural or military dominance by either side emerges from an examination of these words'.
The word Aryan in Sanskrit originally meant “one who follows a civilization whose aim was self-realization.” The aryans whose language and religion was Sanskrit and the Vedas were the forefathers of the Indo-Europeans. There is no proof aryans invaded India. Never in the Vedas are an external homeland mentioned. The Vedas are originally said to date to 1500-2000 and the alleged invasion of aryans into India would have taken place about 500 years later. To say they would have forgotten their homeland is like saying modern Americans forgetting their European roots.
Modern indologists more or less arbitrarily date the Vedas to the mid-second millennium bc, a date given by the German preacher-turned Indologist Max Mueller, hired on behalf of The British Raj to discredit and mythologize vedic culture in order to turn Indians into “brown Englishmen” as they said, and to baptize them.
Europe and America (including England up to the time of its colonial and economic interests in India) had very favorable impressions of Vedic ideas and culture. Beethoven, who based music on the philosophical Upanishads, and others up to Bohr and Oppenheimer. Mueller’s date was completely speculative and without evidence, while modern archaeological findings using satellites have located historical sites along the now-disappeared Saraswati river basin, which is described as many miles wide in the Vedas. Geological studies applied to Vedic descriptions date the Vedas at least several millennia earlier. Indeed astronomical archaeology pushes the vedic culture into the remotest antiquity.
how do you know they took them literally and not grand metaphor for ideas that existed ? there is a depth of understanding that exists within the rig veda ...that were it in any other faith it becomes something beautiful and worthy of study, but for Hindus they both are ashamed of their faith and try to denigrate it and accept Western scholars at the expense of historical and continuing legacies
As a Hindu, I agree. The religion that has taught the fundamental oneness of life for a long time deserves better. Hopefully, we will not carelessly forget the Vedāntic pluralism of Swami Vivekananda and Mahatma Gandhi.
@@martinvanburen4578 well when my Hindu brothers say that by doing prayers only they calmed the mighty Saraswati then as A (~40k generation scientifically advanced Hindu (don't take this literally ;))) I would have to doubt them.
There are things that I have learned from Hinduism and I really respect that but there are things that are plain wrong and totally redundant at this day and age.
@@martinvanburen4578 how do you know? Better to take them at their word. They didn’t believe the Vedas as metaphors. Anyone advocating that has ulterior motives and a desire to imprint their own views backwards into the Vedas.
Great video sir! It is confusing for whom the praise are written for the Goddess or the river, the line "Saraswati who slayeth the parvatas/moutains" suggests it might be talking about the river (but it won't make sense in the next line). Today, Goddess Saraswati is seen as a knowledge/music deity. But verses shown in the video are fierce, if she is the same Goddess the nature of the praises should be different which makes me believe the attributes are written for the river and also she is personified as Saraswati. But I find it funny as all comes down to "कवि का क्या तात्पर्य है / what does the poet mean".
I worry when Europeans study Indian history now just as previous ones have done a lousy job at their studies.
My point too. I have shared my opinion with the good sir.
Well Saraswati is the name of godess of knowledge as well as name of the river.
Well Vedas itself mentions Saraswati as river as well as goddess of knowledge and music(specially atharvaveda)
But thing is, he said that the river was discrete and flowed only in extreme ends not in in-between.But rigved says that Saraswati flowed with same power from mountain to ocean
@@siddhirbhavatikarmja yes brother he is trying really hard to prove his point.
Thank you so much for your studies of the ancient world, this video in particular interesting for me as I am interested in ancient languages. Much appreciated, live long.
Thanks. Great input. I suppose since the ivc was fading at the time of the rg Veda, it may have integrated some ivc poems. It would make sense that ivc would have had oral stories like most ancient people's. Since we know in India that Hindu scripts do tend to be modified by local stories as it spread across India with many local deities included. It's possible that mythical stories from pre 1900bce got included. It's really great that so much research is being done. In Christianity a 2000 year old person is worshipped, Buddhism a 2500 year old teacher. It's not necessarily true the river existed at the time of composition of the Vedas, as they also talk about the formulation of the world.
What local deities?can I get the name of even one of them. thanks
@@dannystark7668 Bhagavathi is a local Kerala diety for Shakti. JakhDevta and Latu are worshipped by tribals in Uttarakhand. Some say there are many millions of dieties in Hinduism spread across it's many various peoples
@@barryobrien1890 bhagvati is another name of shakti (used throughout india ) and in uttarakhand the latu and many other deities is how they were perceived by our ancestors
@@PrakashNegi-kq7ks Exactly. Since in one branch of Hinduism there is only braman, all deities are expressions of the one. Local communities have their own interpretations. As in chapter 4 of the rg Veda. "There is only one, to the wise it is known by many names". Thanks for your input
@@barryobrien1890 So local name becomes a different deity. Bhagvati is as much Sanskrit word as Saraswati. Why would a local deity have Sanskritname?
I left hinduism a long time ago. But that ironically made me far more interested in the Vedas, sanskrit texts and the sanskrit language in general. I'm really enjoying how amazing sanskrit and vedic culture is without having the pressure of having to believe that Hinduism is the greatest religion of all and everything written in the Vedas is true.
Thanks for this incredible video
The scriptures have some amazing knowledge and wisdom most likely. But people (esp believers cuz most of them have this blind faith ideology idk why) get so stuck up on irrelevant/controversial parts that it gets ignored.
Well in Sanatan Sanskriti there was no concept of Religion.
Religion started after Islamic Invasion.
Sanatan was based on questions, debates, psychology it was more of a scientific . Dharm means Duties.
Like in Mahabharata , even though Arjuna knew that Krishna is god , he refused to follow his order or war , he refused to kill pitamah , in Bhagwat geeta lord krishna is just answering arjuna questions and clearing his doubts.
Modern day hinduism hijacked Sanatan Dharm and defamed its value.
I do follow my Dharm but not religion ❤
But why you left Hinduism . Do we sanatan had any exit or entry process ?
Looks like some had created hate for sanantan and you close the door of your mind !
@@Naruto03108 True. Modern day hindutva seems to resemble most closely with the Iberian catholicism and it can be co-related most closely with the spanish inquisition.
@@daviddewford8862 what an wonderful loving reply !!! This is clearly not hate speech.
To comprehend how old Rig Veda is you must know how Rig Veda described River Saraswati. In Rig Veda it is mentioned that how enormous Saraswati River was, it says that you could hear the sound of it flowing from few miles away. Its sound was like there are 1000 elephants trumpeting together. Thats how enormous and mighty that river was.
Saraswati River completely dried off around 5000 years ago. Its bedding is still visible from the sky, you can see it in satellite image of Google Maps.
Now just imagine, that river dried off 5000 years ago. Just imagine how long before it was mentioned in Rig Veda that "it sounds like 1000 elephant trumpeting together". Thats how old Rig Veda is.
This is a good example of a long comment made by someone who thinks they are making a smart and sophisticated answer but if he had watched the whole video, he would have known it was already addressed.
@@WorldofAntiquity first of all, this comment was made half way through the video. Second, I'm Indian and a Hindu, so I've have grown up listening to all these stories and from a very young age so I was just sharing a fact that I found very fascinating, for so long.
@@sankalpshrivastava_ Fair enough. But I shared scientific information contradicting what you just said.
@@WorldofAntiquity pretty obvious, because certainly I'm not an expert and this isn't my area. You might know it better as, I'm assuming, you are far more educated in this field of information. I'm was just sharing what I've always heard growing up and fascinates me.
@@sankalpshrivastava_ That's good. Now you can revise what you learned and be fascinated about that. 🙂
Thank you , i learned a lot of things about History today from this video 🙏🏼
Importance of Cow 🐄 or Gau, Gav, Gaay,
San"gava" - Morning.
"Go"dhuli - Evening
"Gav"ishthi - War
Have you seen the new Hegarty et al paper which suggests Indo-Iranian branches off much earlier than previously thought, like 5650 to 8400 yr B.P.? I know it's pretty new but i'm dying to hear some informed opinion on this one!
Can you share link for this paper?
Rig Veda evolved over centuries, probably even over millennia, before they were written down, because the Indus Valley people did not have the means to write and preserve thousands of pages. What they wanted to preserve, they would inscribe on mud tablets and bake them, but that was not suitable for inscribing thousands of pages. For the short term they used to inscribe on Banana & Palm leaves, but they would decay and fall apart. It was not until 1500 BC, when they finally figured out the way to preserve inscriptions on birch bark. Hence the actual text was written hundreds, if not over a thousand years after those hymns and prayers came into existence.
This is the problem of thinking an answer is superior and then making historical assumptions to support it. Agenda driven not evidence driven. On a positive note, this type of bias was why I began looking into genuine archaeology, because the reality of history is always superior to agendas imposed on it. Thank you for providing some of that genuine information sir. ✌️💕🤘
You seem to comment on almost every video I watch from a wide range of subjects. You have good taste! You might remember me commenting and in the live chat from Lady Babylon Channel. My girlfriend and I use to watch it under my girlfriends account who’s name is Kirsten
@@RyanTucker-r5d nice! Good seeing you in message boards! Say hi to your lady for me. I’m all over RUclips lol. Mostly archaeology & historical stuff, some gardening, cooking, charity & treasure hunting in the form of rocks & mudlarking 🤭
Aryan invasion is outdated nonsense with all die respect based on the nonsense of max mueller who thought the earth was 6000 years old and tried to got the Vedas into that timeline. He was a Christian fundamentalist and his bias is clear.
An example of a different interpretation of the common words shared by Tamil and Sanskrit is the refreshing 1979 observation of Franklin Southworth, a linguist from the University of Pennsylvania. According to his analysis: 'these two lists [Dravidian and Indo-Aryan] both seem to suggest a rather wide range of cultural contacts, and that they do not show the typical (or stereotypical) one-sided borrowing relationship expected in a colonial situation'. Southworth continued, 'No picture of technological, cultural or military dominance by either side emerges from an examination of these words'.
The word Aryan in Sanskrit originally meant “one who follows a civilization whose aim was self-realization.” The aryans whose language and religion was Sanskrit and the Vedas were the forefathers of the Indo-Europeans. There is no proof aryans invaded India. Never in the Vedas are an external homeland mentioned. The Vedas are originally said to date to 1500-2000 and the alleged invasion of aryans into India would have taken place about 500 years later. To say they would have forgotten their homeland is like saying modern Americans forgetting their European roots.
Modern indologists more or less arbitrarily date the Vedas to the mid-second millennium bc, a date given by the German preacher-turned Indologist Max Mueller, hired on behalf of The British Raj to discredit and mythologize vedic culture in order to turn Indians into “brown Englishmen” as they said, and to baptize them.
Europe and America (including England up to the time of its colonial and economic interests in India) had very favorable impressions of Vedic ideas and culture. Beethoven, who based music on the philosophical Upanishads, and others up to Bohr and Oppenheimer. Mueller’s date was completely speculative and without evidence, while modern archaeological findings using satellites have located historical sites along the now-disappeared Saraswati river basin, which is described as many miles wide in the Vedas. Geological studies applied to Vedic descriptions date the Vedas at least several millennia earlier. Indeed astronomical archaeology pushes the vedic culture into the remotest antiquity.
This agenda or evidence-driven work is similar to many past European researchers' tunnel vision studies of a non-European subject.
@@bj6806 couldn’t agree more. Regional pride makes some additional blinder’s beyond the western washing. Excellent point.
The so called vedic vocabulary found among the Mitanni are not surely Indo Iranian. They have innovations that are present in post Vedic times, some that predate vedic times, and others that are Iranian innovations. Indo Iranian is not only restricted to Iranian and Indo Iranian branches, there are also, probably Nuristani and Dardic (closer to Indic or a very divergent language inside Indic language) and I haven't found anyone trying to locate Mittani within this continuous.
Iran is Aryan and vedic, both Indian vedic people and aryana, parsa, pehlava (Iran) ( worshipped the same gods, untill Zarathustra.
@@VarahaMihira-h5g I meant other groups that are Indo Iranian, but neither Vedic and Iranian, and they still exist in the Kashmere.
@@MTd2 who are they? Kashmir is named after one of the seven most famous vedic Saint Kashyapa, if you are speaking about the Kalash they are pure aryans as they get their name from the Kailash mountain and they actually worship lord Shiva, and if you are speaking about Pashtuns they are the direct descendants of the Paktha tribe mentioned in the Mahabaratha, name one, the remaining are the Marauders who came from Iran along with an Iranian decoit called Budshikan.
@@VarahaMihira-h5gIran is NOT vedic, only India is
@@VarahaMihira-h5glol paktha, pashtuns are mleccha, even in mahabharata they are called degenerates
Thank you I dislike how many people now cherry pick history and facts to further their theories and it's a slap in the face to true history.
Social media is designed to deliver information in “fun size” portions. Which makes it a perfect engine for exploiting people who are vulnerable to pseudohistory and pseudoscience. It’s really unfortunate.
There's always some uncertainties in proper history because everything from the past is not preserved.
This comes from people stealing Indian maths & science & claiming it as their own.. for eg. Algebra was not from middlle east.. they just gave it their own translations.. same with europeans directly stealing theorems & fromulas from Indian texts & making patents after patents on them.. & then concocting a lie called 'Aryan invasion theory' which is now being debunked via gene studies.
Loved the video. ❤ I was having trouble parsing through the Saraswati river literature. Your explanation helped me understand them. It was succint and precise.
I was hoping to get a better understanding of the sources of the vedas as we know them. As I understand there were a few different sources across a few monasteries and families. And that there were quite a few linguistic puzzles and source errors while composing the current version of the vedas that we have. Would love to hear your thoughts about them.
This is a great video, please do more on early Hinduism
Its sanatan dharm for us,not Hinduism
@@dannystark7668 both.
Hindi is modern and short name to mention Sanatan dharma.
For ex- islam and muslim.
early Hinduism was just Vedic religion. they worshipped a lot of the gods but the most powerful was Indra
@@ayyy9701Parambrahma considered ultimate god not Indra.
@@bluntbob6723 no brahma or parambrahma is mentioned in rig veda. Indra is the supreme god
How come he doesn't mention the Darth Veda?
The "th" in Atharva Veda is not Anglo-Saxon. It is pronounced more like the "th" in "cathouse." Thx.
Whoops. Thank you.
@@WorldofAntiquity NO, it's dental sound ( थ ) pronounced like th in "thorium" (not retroflex, but dental)
@@Chairman_LmaoZedong English doesn't have retroflex t and d. I do not know why we Indians refuse to acknowledge this fact.
@@bletwort2920the th in atharva is the th in thorium. If you learnt Hindi you'd know. English having different pronunciations is a known fact.
An erudite work; not tinged with personal likes and dislikes. Salutes to Dr.M. May his tribe increase.
I always believed in the Saraswati river dating of rigveda but I have say you convinced me otherwise. Great video. I will wait for the older evidence for rigveda 😊
Just check my latest comment. *Scientifically* shown evidence from rainfall in Thar dating to *5500 BC and 3000 BC* only
But his analysis is entirely incorrect.
This boutta be spicy
Tradition of writing sanskirit on palm leaves did not seem to exisit in north india or in the gangetic plains, because there are no palm trees to suitably write so. If palm leaf writing system was so prevalent in the north india richly contributing to sanskiritic literature and texts, we don't see the continuum of writing system in pottery, rock edicts, clay tablets or seals and ornaments etc . Also, except for rig vedas, the phonology and words used in samhitas, brahamanas upnaishads, aryanakas of other vedas are very different and don't represent in their purest forms of rig vedas and seem to be in early to mideaval prakrit or pali and seem to be composed during gupta era in CE. Hittites and maryanus and sanskirit speakers may be from the same ancestral clans and worshipped the same deities and may be surviving around 1300 BCE or even before. But, that doesnt have any bearing to antiquity and evolution of sanskirit script, although they were exisited orally as languages. However, all unanimously agree rig veda samitas represent that they represent the oldest phonetic form of sanskirit, transcending from indoiranian linguistic family after the fall of harrappans and formation of aryan settlements in the indus region.
Brilliant work. Thank you
May goddess Saraswati flood your channel with views and subscribers.
Ha thanks!
The flood may be seasonal. ;-)
@@WorldofAntiquitySir, I am of the opinion that this reference is not about the Hindu Goddess Saraswati, who is the Goddess of learning, and if any boon is absent among the ones that they were asking, then it is the blessing of knowledge and the ones that are present are not usually associated to her. So it is definitely the Saraswati river and they are probably mentioning about here in her full glory too because the very heart of the Vedic culture is the emphasis on being brutally honest without which the person is not qualified to be a Brahmin or study the Vedas (reference: satyam shaucham titiksha karuna.. qualities of a Brahmana from the Bhagavad Gita, satyam is truthfulness). So, it could then mean 3000+ BCE.
@@arjunkrishnadas The river was a goddess. She is described as such.
@@WorldofAntiquity Thank you Sir for taking some busy time off and replying. I appreciate all your hard work. 😊🙏🏻
I noted that the verse speaks of her flowing all the way to the ocean. This could mean that the reference is to a time when the river ran her full course.
Thank you once again for all your meticulous research and your kindness to share it with the world. 😊🙏🏻
Namaste!😊🙏🏻