Kenyon Martin makes his case for taking Kobe Bryant over LeBron James | UNDISPUTED
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Kenyon Martin makes his case for taking Kobe Bryant over LeBron James | UNDISPUTED
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Does the number of championships indicate the better athlete?
Skip and Shannon: UNDISPUTED Yes! Something about 11 just beats 6. BILL RUSSELL>MICHAEL JORDAN
The Incredible Hulk
1. Bill Russell lost one
2. NBA was an 8 team league
3. There was no 3 point line
in most case no, but in this case yes because as a player lebron and kobe is almost equal so you gotta give kobe the nod as of now.
It does if the athlete is at the caliber as kobe bryant, Sure RH had more rings, but he was no kobe or jordan.
Gary Turbo 11 rings doesn't matter using Michaels logic
MJ & Kobe are not just scorers. They played defense
This isn’t talked about enough, MJ & Kobe basically lived on the All defensive NBA teams; Kobe having 12 selections, 9 1st team and MJ having 9, all 1st team. MJ would’ve easily had more had he not retired and of course his DPOY, leading league in steals 3x, leading blocks for guard a few years etc. They played just as intensely on defense as they did on offense.
Exactly… all time great defenders.
Kobe's defensive selections were mostly due to reputation. Phil already said it himself. Which makes sense bc Kobe never got nominated for DPOY while Lebron finished in top 2-4 in DPOY races thrice and was actually robbed on 2013.
Exactly well said
@@Chatty_Introvert-kunthat’s because the league since that Colorado BS refused to give Kobe MVP trophies and DPOY trophies. For a 8 year run Kobe was the best player on the planet but only got 1 MVP trophy? Steve Nash won 2 of Kobe’s trophies, how many rings does Nash have? Exactly. Kobe easily should have atleast 4 MVP trophies.
Why does nobody ever point out that Kobe didn't need to leave teams to get championships?
Victor Contreras cause the lakers actually were able to build teams for him. Lebron left cleveland after 7 years of him by himself carrying them to 55+ wins. Kobe was about to bounce after 2/3 years after shaq was done carrying him. Lebron went back to cavs cause its his real home and the door was closing on the heat and why would he go back to the situation he tried avoiding
Jebron Lames Cleveland built around lebron James stop it. That's why he finally made it to the finals. So let's talk about the superstars lebron had to team up with to win. Wade Bosh, Kyrie, Love. Kobe had shaq and who else? Pau wasn't even an all star 😂
+LivingHerbs101 Bosh, Love and Pau are kind of at the same level to be honest. 3 star power forwards. Not superstars and better than just good power forwards.
you should meet with Mitch Kupchak and Dan Gilbert to know why
LivingHerbs101 u gonna act like bynum metta and lamar werent good or servicable players? And off the bench he had solid scorers like trevor fisher or shannon who were worth playing. Lebron was stuck with a old big z larry hughes and drew gooden who would all disappear as soon as lebron left or they left
1:30 calling MJ mainly a scorer when he's one of the greatest defensive players of all time hurts my brain.
He could do literally everything on the court only thing is his team ran a real system
MJ defensively and offensively is the 🐐
@@hasanahmad4684 🤦🏾♂️
@@hasanahmad4684 u didn't turn in ur homework homie lol
@@DeeGee5041 mj couldn't guard every position
Kobe was a cold blooded killer, the guy put it out there both on the defensive and offensive end. The complete player and only one closest to MJ in both skill and mentality.
Right! 15 rebounds against the defensive 2010 Celtics in a Finals game 7! And he wasn't even a center. People need to quit with the Kobe hate!
Mj was kobe's mentor, 90% of kobe's game was learned from mj.
Kobe was more skilled than Mike....
see thats very annoying hiw do we even measure that cold blooded killer? shooting with lower field goal percentge? that stupid and lame
Facts
what happened between the time Shaq left and Pau arrived? Kobe was balling his heart out in LA. It's actually the reason he is so liked. He did not go to another team.
And also that 04-05 Lakers were all depleted only 3 players left from that Shaq, GP, Karl co.
Why is it that actual basketball players say kobes better than lebron and only ESPN or fox analysts suck on LeBron
12poopie coz the mamba cant bring them money but king kong can
12poopie cause they live of a paper n stats
To keep the conversation going
winners are team kb, loser are team lbj......
Paid biased talking heads for the NBA???
What did Kobe do without Shaq or Pau...? Really Shannon? What exactly has LeBron won without Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, etc.... not a damn thing
Matt Alexander make the NBA finals.
lebron got to the 2nd round 3 times, CF twice, and the finals lol he also won a scoring title and 2 MVPS
Matt Alexander Kobe without Shaq or Pau missed the playoffs and was a 1st round exit. Bron without Wade and Irving made the finals
But lets compare the East to the West. Lebron has by FAR had the easiest road to the Finals compared to any Superstar.
I didnt say he has no accomplishments lol Shannon asked what Kobe won without help, the same can easily be flipped for LeBron without every star he's teamed up with
2004-2005: Kobe missed 16 games, their second best player was Lamar Odom missed 18 games. They were 19-15 when Kobe got injured, was reasonable with the amount of talent and depth on that team. They had a young Caron Butler (Don’t know why they traded him for KWAME BROWN), but because of the injuries they never really was given a chance to build a team chemistry. Finished the season 34-48
2005-2006: Kobe averaged 35ppg and finished with a record of 45-37, as the 7th seed on the East. Now the Toronto Raptors finished the regular season as the 3rd seed that year with 47-35 record. Let’s say if Kobe was on the east he would definitely have more wins than he had, putting him on a higher seed and would definitely give him a better MVP consideration (goes to show the different between two conferences).
Now with him blowing that 3-1 lead against the Suns. Yes he didn’t finish the job but considering what he had was Lamar Odom then after that it was Kwame Brown, Luke Walton, Chris Mihm, and SMUSH PARKER RUNNING THE POINT. It means that they shouldn’t be on that situation at the first place. But yet they were there because of Kobe Bryant. He scored 29 points on game 5, 50 on game 6. After dropping a 50-piece and still lost he was called a ‘ball-hog’ so on game 7 he tried to have his teammates involved but they couldn’t step up. He also had 22 points (im not sure) on the first half but they were still down big.
2006-2007: Kobe averaged 33 5 4 and still lost, I mean what could the dude do at that point? He fought a team that had prime Steve Nash, Stat, Shawn Marion, Barbosa, Diaw. All he had was Odom. And those two Suns team would eventually lost to Dallas (2006) - which eventually went to the finals only to blew it. And to the Spurs (2007) - the eventual champion. That’s why you couldn’t blame Kobe for becoming frustrated, cause in the West you couldn’t win without any help.
Just to bring out some actual context behind the subjective narratives that these “EXPERTS” always trying to conceive.
Man you was preaching , this is real knowledge
Finally someone that actually knows their stuff in regards to Kobe and can disprove the misnomer about him!
👏🏽
Thank you. People forget how much tougher the Western Conference was especially during those playoff runs. Lebron had the easiest roads to the championships and lost 6 times🤣 SIX?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Mind you Lebron had multiple top 75 players on his team every time he went to the finals without them he couldn't even get to the finals. Kobe went to 3 straight finals in the west after Shaq left, with ZERO top 75 players on his team, and still WON BACK TO BACK 💯
Kobe was so good that when he loses the context doesn’t get brought up by the media even when it was blatantly obvious how bad that Lakers roster was from 04-07. Appreciate you for giving that well laid out comment.
I also find it funny how everyone from the outside looking in always says "oh lebron is clearly better than Kobe blah blah stats accolades blah" but the MAJORITY of people that have actually played in the NBA choose Kobe. Huh...
Mr.Wavy24 facts
there's this thing called hate
Nothing but facts
LordOfTheFlies realize Kobe prime was a whole different time. They saw a horrible Kobe. They all think curry and them are better lol.
Exactly. That's why I don't listen unless it's a player
Kobe pulled a back to back against an all star pack without an all star pack, along with a BROKEN FINGER. Lebron has to sit out if he has "cramps". 😂😭
Lakersince98 his period was down😂
Without an all star packed, are you talking about the 2010 finals? C'mon dude, lol lakers and celtics were evenly matched, Lakers had a slight, very slight advantage. When Perkins was down, the Lakers bigs took over, Pau Gasol was hands down the best player on game 7, Kobe throwing bricks like crazy, etc.. And about the broken finger, Kobe is the only one to blame. The team was strong enough to achieve a high seed without him, he could tried a surgery to return just a week before the playoffs... But no, the egomaniac decided to play with the broken finger. The result: arthritis for life. This is not a good example, new fans needs to learn that, that was stubborn and stupid.
R stop it. Gasol wasn't KG, Artest wasn't Paul, and Fisher wasn't rondo. If you watched those series you'd know they were defensive battled where Kobe literally carried the offense for the game. Pau was at his best because kobes leader ship and spoon fed passes for layups. Bynum is nobody since then same with Odom. They all overachieved because kobes leadership.
R mind you until Kobe started scoring in the fourth they were losing that game. Ron artests 3 put them up 4 after Kobe just scored to gain the lead. Also he lead the team in rebounds that night too. Percentages don't matter when the result is a w. LeBron should care more about winning rather than his percentages.
stubborn and stupid but one back to back...
Jordan not a defender?
1. Perennial First-Team All Defense.
2. Most blocks by a guard in NBA history.
3. First player to record 200 steals, 100 blocks in a season...only player to do it twice.
4. Defensive Player of the Year award.
Exactly!!! Jordan only as a offensive player was the dumbest thing out of Shannon's mouth to date!!
That's true and mj plum shut down Miller from the Pacers he couldn't even score 1 jumper on mj in the 2nd when mj started to guard Miller lol today's kids will never know lol
Came to post the same comment. Can't believe Kenyon and Skip left that hanging out there and didn't pounce on it.
bwink23 D wade has more blocks
Chris Myers...... I legit think Shannon got some brain damage from playing in the NFL!!! 🤦♂️
"The chosen one became the frozen one"😂😂😂😂
Man haha skip says this in every video ever
The “frozen one” also happens to have the 2nd most regular season game winners and the most playoff game winners ever
Also that Dallas team that left him "frozen" swept Kobe🤣
@@reidwinter1023 and still after 21 years can't close games and cant complete all 82 games and still chasing. And only LeChoke fans proud of that IST. 🤷
Kobe has played in a western conference that has been stacked every year!
That's all I'm saying.
None of his finals opponents match up to any of the opponents lebron faced
@@parthk6859 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 now that is hilarious! Especially considering the game is easier nowadays lmfao
Michael Perez did he ever play a team that was as good as the spurs or warriors even the thunder?
@@parthk6859 uhm yeah he did he has 18-12 winning record over the spurs in the playoffs, he beat the thunder in 6 games in the first round on his way to his 5th championship and Kobe regularly dominated the warriors in fact the last time we saw Kobe at his best he put 34 on the warriors right before tearing his Achilles yet still walked to the freethrow line and made 2 clutch free throws to win the game lol
@@michaelperez3720 lebron road in the eastern confrecne offsets that kobe played lesser comp in the finals but had harder way to get to the finals while lebron had it easier in his confrence but harder in finals
Lets compare kobe STAYING with his team thru hard times to lebron never havin hard times because as soon as hard times come HE LEAVES. Tell the whole truth and nothin but the truth shannon!
but kobe tried to leave tho..
Monee Boiii I guess u forgot Kobe demanded a trade but the lakers wouldn't trade him. Also, Kobe has early success bc the lakers made a great move and got shaq. How many good players did Lebron play with from 2003-2010?
Jadon Noble and what about the 7 years since then? Don't just conveniently leave out after if you are gonna do that
Jadon Noble the players Kobe was with until Pau got to lay La most of them weren't even in the league after getting off the team with Kobe... Look at most of lebron old teammates when he left them guys still played in the league... Tell me who had better teams
wickedbird395 did be leave or na??? Thank u. next
Did Shannon say Michael Jackson? Lol
And Kobe had damn kwame smush mihm Walton on that damn team.
3:09-3:10
Yes😂😂😂😂😂
You saw the way Kenyon looked at him after he said Michael Jackson
1nOnly Kb24 I'm crying
But who did Bron have in Cleveland the first time around? And they still were relevant. Only because of him.
I didn’t know Michael Jackson played for phil Jackson
LMFAOO
🤣🤣🤣what up bruh... you still at coke
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Phil Jackson is actually Michael Jackson's dad LOL
@@heavenlogoswalker yeah it sounds like you don’t know anything about basket ball stick to the boy bands!
I hate how people dismiss Kobe in the Shaq era . Kobe was still a major part of those 3peats
But was still the 2nd best player on the team, something LBJ has never been bar maybe 2011
@@hardwoodthought1213 lebron in his early 20s wasn’t the best player in the nba it was Kobe and lebron at that age on the Lakers would be 3rd best player with Kobe on the team no Kobe he would be 2nd so what
@@franksharp7621 Kobe won a title in his fourth season in 2000 averaging 21/3/3 on 44% shooting whilst Shaq averaged 36/15/3/3, Kobe was mediocre and still won. LBJ in his fourth season was leading his team to the finals.
@@hardwoodthought1213 FYI Shaq ain’t winning those 3 titles without Kobe period
@@hardwoodthought1213 he couldn’t do it in Orlando until he got paired up with kibe
the real question you should asked is : "in final nba, game 7, who is the player you would like to be your team mate? Kobe or Lebron?" . And the answer is really clear, it will be Kobe
LeBron has a better games and numbers on a game 7 than Kobe.
Kevin Bell stats don’t tell the whole story
@@camlucas4623 Who said anything about stats? The question is 'who would u pick as a team mate in a game 7' If you look back and compare the game 7s of the two, Its a fact LeBron has the better games. Both defense and offense
If i were to choose who would i give the ball in crunch time and the shot clock winding down, imma go with Kobe, No doubt. But u know not every game demands you to shoot clutch shots right?
Kevin Bell still got Kobe cause that’s a dog. Idk about defense cause lebron hasn’t played that in years
Kobe bryant played in the west James plays in the weak east that's all I have to say
kevinsebby thank you for seeing that not many people recognize the fact that the east has been garbage since 2000, so of course LeBron stats look better, people always bring up shaq but never accept that without Kobe as a one two punch they don't three peat, people always say Kobe demanded a trade, but the reality is he never left, unlike LeBron who runs every time it gets tough, Kobe never demanded super teams to win, another point for the stats is if you had Kobe teammates would you pass? No and this is why he was consistently doubled, lastly if you understand basketball you know that spacing opens up your game, Kobe never had great shooters or a playmaker point guard, LeBron did so at times he would single coverage with mismatches or the option to kick out every time
Brent Holt Lmfao LeBron puts up the same godly stats against all teams. You sound like a hater
Brandon Polo you must be young and don't understand basketball kobe had to go though a way better conference then James did also did kobe cry and leave to make a super team win a finals no also James plays in the east but in stats he had 2 more points and other categories and still kobe plays in the west bottom line kobe is a killer James folds under pressure (not a kobe fan at all ) spurs all the way baby
kevinsebby I don't think that should matter, these are the best basketball players on the planet east or western conference
kevinsebby fr lmao ppl seem to not realize how weak the east is
When i search lebrons footwork in youtube.. 😂 Travelling compilation is always appearing
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NO CAP!!!😭🤣
Lmao 🤣🤣🤣
Kobe had smush parker, luke walton, lamar odom and chris mihm as the other starting 4. Thats why he was bounced in the first round. it was miracle they even made it.
Facts
people actin like this laker team was like the cavs with lebron and kyrie like come on.
Facts. Also put that time in the east and they would be making a playoff run in that time.
Fax
Fax
All you New fans have to realize the WEST was more stacked in the years 2000-2010 then it was now. Onn some seasons, you had to win 48 games in west just to get 8 seed. In east all you needed was 38.
David Vonderhaar Kobe had the best supporting cast of any superstar in the league that year...Also a top 2 coach all time
YogiYetiz_ Simple Lebron ran to his friends in Miami to win and lost twice to the mavericks and to the old spurs
Youre missing the point. He was talking about the entirety of a conference being better than the other and not just Kobe's team.
even more stacked after 2010... so 2000-2017... and dont get me started with 2018. 2018 all star game is gnna be called west vs d-league ft. lebron
Most 50 win teams eliminated in the post season
Kobe: 24
MJ: 20
Duncan: 18
Shaq: 17
Magic: 13
Bird: 10
LeBron: 9
You don't need shaq if you play in the east lol
lmfao shaq gest carried by phantom whistle wade........IN "EAST"
he has the refs and he had help
YoungMoneyOfficial YM different era bud
FACTS
YoungMoneyOfficial YM if you're a fan of the nba you would know that the east is better than the west before
Kobe Bryant is the Greatest of his Generation and arguably of ALL TIME
Triple G. Tyson not even close to all time and you could even argue Tim Duncan and Shaq were better in his eras to
SamYG I could argue those guys where the best of all time too, but they wasn’t. Kobe is the second greatest player of all time
@@Kc08246 Overall I put MJ over Kobe but MJ vs Kobe with #24 before injury I think thats 50/50.
Triple G. Tyson not even close!! He’s not even a top 10 player ever, he was never the best player in the league in his career
Triple G.Tyson, KOBE Bryant is the most Skilled NBA player of all time. The only thing I give Michael Jordan over Kobe is he's a championship player game closer and he's not letting a championship get by, and he was allowed by Phil Jackson to win 10 scoring titles, which Kobe Bryant wasn't allowed to do and this is some of the problems that's rose up between Phil Jackson and Kobe Bryant . Kobe Bryant is the only Player in NBA history who shot the ball with his off hand, because his right ring finger was broken, and he's done this for months. Larry Bird done this for a game. Kobe Bryant came into the league with a complete game especially shooting the Ball, Michael Jordan shooting gotten better over, the years, probably because he drove a lot to the basket and made you foul him.
"Michael Jackson had Phil Jackson" - Shannon
Drake 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
Drake I smell a conspiracy theory
Humphking ..jacko moonwalked on players in the game lol
😂😂😂
Tell me about it? i thought i was the only one who heard that. anyways Both MJ & MJ are greatest which = JAM
Kobe would beat lebron in a 1v1
Sierra 6969 all LeBron fans say is "16-4 against Kobe" lmao Kobe kills him almost every 1 on 1 play whenever they get to guard each other
Sierra 6969 Cool story bro! Basketball is a team game and lebron is the most impactful player ever. Dude is a walking superstar, coach, GM and franchise. Carried his step dad delonte west to 60 win seasons and the nba finals. LEBRON IS THE GOAT!
That doesn't matter
The Incredible Hulk they lost in the ecf to the magic who KB whooped in the finals
Xochitel Urrutia Kobe had a solid cast around him. Lebron had literally a bunch of bums
Kobe's playing in the WEST full of very dangerous and great teams ... What leBron got back then ?? Dwight ??? The east is so EASy
What about the Celtics super team that beat Kobe? Lebron disbanded them. Lebron has faced alot of hall of famers in the eastern conference. And Kobe got one of his rings by beating Dwight. Dwight was a great player back in the day
Keith Domingo it wasn’t easy! Dwight beat him! 😂😂
He lost to Dwight 😂😂😂😂😂
Excuse Kobe better
Shannon at 3:10 saying Michael Jackson instead of michael jordan is HILARIOUS 😂😭
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1:52 But Shannon, the exact same thing could be said about Jordan vs Lebron. Every category you just named has MJ beating Lebron so how can you say Lebron is better based on that logic?
I will always go with the players, they all go with Kobe... they all fear Kobe more than they will ever fear Lebron...
Aged horribly
@@Viewingviewer3 what do you mean?
💯 facts
Lebron is caught up in the time
@@Viewingviewer3 It's facts bro
The other one recruit players while Kobe beat the best out of them. A real competitor
If Bron had Phil Jackson as a coach then he would’ve been fired mid season 😂😂😂
Lol, Phil is in the realm of untouchable like Pop or pat riley!!!
Lebron a free agent he could have went everywhere twice he chose heat and lakers . Spurs would have taken him.
Phil jackson ,MJ and the team built a chemistry..the team made phil vice versa .. its about chemistry,trust and respect brother.. always excuse for bron either teammates or coach .. if he wants a coach, instead of miami he should have chose spurs b4, if he wants .. no excuses..
Lmao
boi that threw me for a loop ROFL!!!
I love how Shannon LBJ Fanboy Sharpe was just like "ooooh" and ready to talk trash to Skyp cuz he thought Kenyon saying he "disagrees with MJ's logic" meant he thinks "LBJ better" and then all of a sudden he turns and gives a glaring look of surprise when Kenyon says he'd take Kobe over LeBron.
Lol
To each their own, but its not so much about MJ being 6-0, Kobe being 5-2, or Lebron being 3-5.. It's HOW they got those records. Robert Horry is 7-0 as a roleplayer on multiple Super Teams, so that argument is null. Jordan three-peated twice in 8 years and carried his team during each finals appearance. He was an elite DEFENDER and scorer. Also, the 90s Bulls were NOT considered a Super team until Rodman joined them for the second three-peat, and even then Rodman was past his prime, so thats arguable. Kobe three-peated with Shaq, then lost the 4th championship when the Lakers didn't show up against a very dangerous Pistons' team. Shaq left, and Kobe lost AGAIN to a Boston team packed with All-Star caliber players, including 3 future HoFers. Kobe then won a couple; the last against pretty much the same Boston team. Lebron on the other hand got swept his first finals and shot the ball terribly. He then joined a Super team with Wade and Bosh and LOST to an older Dallas team that had 1 All-star. Lebron shot terribly in the last 3 games of that series while Wade had a performance worthy of another Finals MVP had they won. Lebron then acquired Ray Allen and won a couple before losing again by a RECORD MARGIN to an older Spurs team with players well past their prime. He then joined another team with 2 perennial All-stars in Love and Kyrie, had a 2-1 lead AND STILL LOST to a young juggernaut in the making. Lebron's highest moment came the next year, when his team came back from a 3-1 deficit to win the chip. I give him and his team props for that, but the GOAT 'train' left the station in 2011. Deal with it.
If you're going to mention the injuries to the Cavs in 2015, then let's be objective about it and also mention the injuries to the Warriors in 2016. Andre and Steph were hurt, Draymond missed game 5, and Bogut missed game 7 in the 2016 finals. That effected the outcome.
Kobe got swept by the same Mavericks in 2011...as the defending champ
wasabi 1337 Thank you man
wasabi 1337 kyrie and love was injured
wasabi 1337
Andrew Bogut being hurt and Draymond getting suspended one game does not NEARLY have the impact of both Kyrie and Love being out for the whole series. Show a little intellectual honesty here.
Kobe's better. Facts 💯
In what way?
Kasper Kruse defense for one
www.landofbasketball.com/awards/all_defensive_teams_player_total.htm
Kobe Way better Defender and shot blocker. Shaq took up the rebounding and assists but i'm sure he would have been better in that than Lebron. Kobe was a real assassin and never let any one down in the finals. He didn't nees to leave LA to win and won championships with scrubs in 2009 & 2010 because the first 3 peat in the early 2000"s had one of the best Lakers team and NBA team ever constructed.
I didn't like lebron, but kobe sukkked waaaaaay overrated.
@@kasperkruse3854 lebron isn't a good shooter kobe is a sharp shooter . Lebron has to go to other teams rearrange the roster to get every player he wants and need to win . Kobe dropped 81 multiple 50 point games multiple 60 point games back to back Kobe is a clutch shoot maker kobe is way better
81 pts happened
In three quarters
Also 50+ points in 4 straight games happened.
Also 9 straight 40+ point games happened
I love kobe nation lol kobe where the nba happened
#24 happened
Skip kills me everytime he says the chosen one became the frozen one😂😄
Here's a good question how many teams did Kobe go to, to win a ring???? 🤔 🤔 😂
He didn't need to, he had prime shaq since the beginning of his career so he didn't need a good teammate. Well answer me who is the best player LeBron has played with during his first years in Cleveland ??? Varejao ???
Kobe has never been the best in his team while Shaq was playing, LeBron has been by far the best player in every single team (Cleveland, miami, Cleveland and now the Lakers) .
VPL WAC yah but east conference suck, he go to finals and got sweapt
Here's the answer for the question. He didn't want to go anywhere he wanted to be a Lakers and stay a Laker. LeBron is just a Laker for the downside of his career so he can work on movies and stuff, he has even less heart to win now than he did before. Lakers won 35 games the season before LeBron came, LeBrons first year there they win 37. Sure he had an almost 20 game stretch for the injury. But that still gives you 62 games to to improve by more than 2 games over the previous year. Especially after adding McGee, Chandler. Goes to show LeBron is overrated and doesn't really make his teammates better
@@anouaralmouslih9662 So all that years that lakers sucks and he was there u are like saying that the man dindt want to win? like he doesnt need to?? yeeah cuz
@@kingdarryl7592 Kobe asked publicly to be traded twice when the team was bad.
Lol this man said Michael Jackson ?! I’m weak 😂😂😂
Not only that, but he didn't even correct himself, nor did anyone else.
Michael Jackson had phil Jackson 😂😂😂
Dragon Ball Flee Phil apparently has done it all and we just didn’t know it
Kobe is a more complete player and absolutely more skillfull!! Strange there is a discussion about this!
Jesus
Kobe may be more offensively skilled but he is not a more complete player lmao Bron is better in almost every way
Kobe is better shooter, better at free throw, better defender, better ball handler, better isolating player, better clutcher, better scorer, Lebron is better at rebounding (what pretty much is a big man job) and better at fast transition dunking@@Slapshot544
Do people forget Shaq played wit bron
Ray Webb What does that means
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Ray Webb shaq wasn't the same shaq
Ray Webb when he was almost 40...
`Too Conceited ́ I wasnt being suirous
He won a ring a few years before he play with queen James no excuses
Kobe Bryant has a better legacy than LeBron
Fernando Carlos yeah I agree players around the league past and present have way more respect for Kobe than Lebron. No one ever says LeBron before they shoot a paper ball into the trash can. Today's kids might may say Curry now but no one ever said Lebron lol
Yo Momma Kobe is retired, so they have more respect for him. When LeBron retires and people look back on how he led Cleveland to their first championship against a historic warriors team people will know his legacy is better than Kobes
YogiYetiz_ Simple really because he has rings in eight finals appearance Kobe has 5 rings all in one team so stop it man
YogiYetiz_ Simple that's simply not true many players already had this kind of respect long before he retired. This isn't even the 1st time Jordan has said he prefers Kobe over LeBron he said it over 6 years ago. LeBron tainted his own legacy for ring chasing and having a losing record lol
All irrelevant, LeBron at the end of the day is a better player. Hold back those tears, keep jumping through hoop's. Jordan's opinion is simply irrelevant to what FACTs say. More rings, better finals record dont equal better player. At the end of the day 3 rings, 3 FMVP, 4 MVP's > 5 rings, 2 finals MVP, 1 MVP.
LeBron has better stats all across the board. Kobe is more clutch, thats it.
I'd rather watch Kobe play than Lebron. I like the MJ type style of playing the game. Its beautiful
The MJ type style of playing the game is my favorite style man. 🐍
Me too but Kobe is not better than Lebron
Kobe and Mj play gracefully. Lebron plays more machine like to me
Thats what the ratings say.
Bruh the ratings are in the toilet they are getting beat by the WWE
"Tell em Skip, tell em Skip, they ain't trying to hear the truth, notice how short this segment was, they cut it short when Skip started stating facts"
"The chosen one became the frozen one"
Kerry Campbell lmao
lol true tho we all saw that
Ya I don’t what happened to Kobe in the 2005 finals
@@sankeerthkoshy8439
Kobe never played in 05 finals dumbo 🤦🏾♂️
Love this
No player has ever beat more 50+ win teams than Kobe. Kobe has 5 rings with 7 appearances in the finals while going through the toughest conference maybe ever. LeBron on the other hand had to assemble Super Teams in the weakest conference ever and is 3 of 9 (swept twice) in the finals. Kobe>LeBron and it's not even close.
Agreed! Though..... I think it’s Jordan whom had to beat more 50 plus wins teams in the post season in his way to his 6. And... don’t even get me started on the more competitive east back in Jordan’s day!! Also..... if Lebitch has to go up against Mahorn, Laimbeer and the rest of the bad boy pistons...... he’d of been cryin..... hiding out off in the corner in the fetal position after getting touched up going to the rim!!!!!
Whoa. Good point I never thought about that part of it. You just put the nail in the coffin with that one
What teams in the conference were tough that Kobe beat? Besides the old Celtics.
Jerry Granville Jr. the year they won the finals he had to go through the Thunder and Celtics. The year he made it to the finals but lost he had to go through the Jazz and San Antonio. Stop trying to minimize his accomplishments it’s pathetic
E BO 50 wins in the regular season is an huge accomplishment! Kobe is the only player to win all 4 playoff series against 50+ wins teams
In that case then what did Lebron do before wade and Miami... if we being honest Kobe was the best from 2002-2009 even lebron said it
aj lilley facts but how quick they all forget SMH prisoners of the moment
All that talk is senseless, it is like this, and don't argue any further:
1- Michael Jordan
2- Kobe Bryant
3- LeBron James
This ranking depends on the category
@@jameschristiantaylor123 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
Kareem Jordan LeBron
That's Allen Iverson order and he said it's more than stats
Bruh Shannon asking what happened in between Shaq and Gasol? Kobe happen.
In that time Kobe built his legacy as one the greatest players of all time working hard to get another championship. And if you think that just because he didn't win it all during that time it takes away from what he accomplished, what he did during those years left a mark on everybody who watched him. This is the reason players like Kenyon Martin would take Kobe. Now I'm not saying Kobe is better than Lebron or anything, but don't talk about Kobe like he was nothing for 6 years.
Exactly !!
yes its as if some people think that had f lebron james been in kobe's place and played in this competitive western conferance with the supporting cast of kwame brown and smush parker he would have managed to win...lebron james is a fantastic player and a great overall planet but he is also extremely overrated and he has managed to be considered a greater player than maybe he deserves to.
Lebrons is a better all around player than Kobe but Kobe is more clutch than lebron
Def with u bro
this should be upvoted...
Only kids will pick lebron over kobe...
Local fatty Billy in that case LeBrons still in the league dominating as to kobe who is now retired and also retired out of his prime time so 🤷♂️
Kids and people with a clue.
@@DTB1995 in what way is he better? We dont say Bill Russel is better than MJ and no one thinks Derrick Fisher is better than KD. Go find another thread to post on clown.
Lebron overrated
Only a bs fan boy and hater will pick Kobe over Lebron.
Why is this even a discussion? Kobe over Bron anyday all day
specially on shot selection Kobe was the best
MrAlmiranda what? Kobe had one of the worse shot selections ever
4MVPs 3FMVPs > 1MVP 2FMVPs
MrAlmiranda 😅😅😂
I was sarcastic
Shannon always takes it somewhere else when the players take kobe over bron
I hate when ppl say what happened to kobe after shaq left?? but don't mention LeBron couldn't win either before joing dwade and bosh
But LeBron made it to a final before joining d wade and bosh ......Kobe didn't until Lakers went and got gasol he can't carry a no name team pass the first round lol
Emmett Shannon gasol ain’t even that good 😂
Kool Moe Keem ig thas y he bailed Kobe out in Game 7 of The 2010 Finals😂
Drippy Jay gasol was 6-16 in game 7 no one wants to talk about how everyone played bad in that game.
And kobe was 6-24, scored 23 points with 11 of those points coming from the free throw line lmao
kobe is better than lebron because of his strong mentally..kobe has better basketball skills than lebron,.his handles, his shooting, his post moves, quickness is better than lebron that is why if u compare that player kobe will win.
Retirement game 60 points!!!!!!! Enough said!!!
Damien White he’s the 🐐
On 60 shots not hating, If LeBron shoot 60 times he's definitely getting 80 to 100 IJS???
God knows i like the mamba! But that last game is a circus wwe game.
@@desmondpate1642 50 shots. 44 fg% for the game.
Thanks brother
How to defend Lebron: Defend his teammates.
How to defend Kobe: Hope he's playing injured.
Lebron is a monster, but you can stop him by forcing him to beat you. Kobe might lack some of the physicality, but he will do whatever he can to beat you. It's an instinct that can't be taught. And any professional player who played against both of them will tell you how much scarier it was to play a prime (and even a sub-prime for a few years) Kobe.
Exactly
@@outchea1044😂😂😂😂cap
Team Kobe!!
Kobe Bryant all day everyday baby. A mob assassin a stone cold killer. A man among boy's a King among Kings. You can put your Lavar Ball lips on that because history and 5 NBA World Championships don't lie.
4:30 - 5:15 Skip speaking facts!!!
SwaggerLikeUz true dat
it was so satisfying.
That year he talking about with the Mavericks Kobe got swept by them lmao 2x defending champ so i wouldn’t really say facts just bias and Lebron hating
SwaggerLikeUz ummm kobe blew a 3-1 lead agaisnt suns. In game 7 he refused to shoot the ball in 2nd half. Choked
Dizz LeBron has never won a championship as without two or more superstars in his team. He had Bosh, Wade, and Birdman in Miami, and in Clevland he had Kyrie, Love, and Tristan Thomson
How can you be considered the goat if you can't deliver for your team in the clutch? Kobe all day. #mamba
aiyachristian LeBron looks for the best possible basketball move all Kobe does is shoot difficult shots that's why he has the most missed fg ever
aiyachristian that would be the vert exact statement against Kobe because from what I have seen over the years Lebron is a decent clutch player while Kobe can’t deliver in the finals. He really only had one good finals series and that was against Kenyon’s nets. Maybe that’s the only time he’s seen Kobe and never really watched nba on nbc
LeBron has more game winners
LeBron is actually more clutch than Kobe........
Lebron is better in big games then Kobe though. Sure Lebron choked in 2011, but Kobe choked in 2004 just as bad. Lebron is a MUCH better player in game 7s, elimination games and just playoff games in general. Kobe has NEVER played as clutch as Lebron did in 2016
Kobe doesn't need as much talent around him. He makes up for it. Bron is such a facilitator he needs more great players to win.
😳😳You can’t be fr bro?
I'LL TAKE KOBE. HAVE YOU SEEN KOBE FLOPPED? HAVE YOU SEEN KOBE FROZE IN THE 4TH QTR. HAVE YOU SEEN KOBE HAVE A LEG CRAMP AND WAS WHEEL CHAIRED? NO!!! CASE CLOSE END OF DISCUSSION. LEBRON GREAT BUT NOT GREATER!
You didn't watch Kobe against the Suns when he quit on his team or the 04 Finals where he got locked down by Detroit.
Shannon to your answer. D.Wade was LeBron's Shaq.
SShaBazzz You want to compare Wade and Shaq??? Shaq is one of the Top 5 NBA players of all time.Where is Dwayne in that conversation????
Shaq is not top 5 lmao, and Wade is arguably a top 15 or 20 player of all time
The One Wade isn't top 20, top 25 sure
The One The most dominant player of all time isn't in the Top 5!?!?!?! Are you kidding me?
Wade 3rd best SG of all time,Shaq 4th best center of all time
Every legend and player choose Kobe bronsexuals and media choose Lebron lmao tells you something doesn't it
Isiah Thomas picked LeBron over Jordan.
tteverywhere 97 Zeke salty about MJ leaving him off the Dream Team
RUЅHᏦINᎶ20 #ᏆERRᎥbᏞᎬᏆᎾᎳᎬᏞs. Didnt Scottie, Isiah and Jerry west say lebron better?
And if you look at their reasoning for that choice, it's a load of bull
RUЅHᏦINᎶ20 #ᏆERRᎥbᏞᎬᏆᎾᎳᎬᏞs
Bronsexuals are pathetic
MJ
KOBE
LEBRON
watched all three play
Me too but I don't even put him at three
Facts 💯 percent💯 percent I agree with you I been saying that for years now
@@loserlose5066 Im with you I have Jabbar Duncan and Magic ahead of him all have 5 rings or more and if Ray Allen didnt hit thelat 3 on the Spurs Duncan would be 6-0.
@@tkkirkland3971 Grown folks talking here The Sky hook only move you cant stop. LeBron not even magic no flare he like Tim Duncan big fundamental
I've been saying these three in that same order for the longest and also watched all three play.
Kobe can defeat his opponent in multiple ways. LeBron is great, but he does not have the killer instinct Kobe does. Period, end of discussion.
Big A's Diecast Showcase “killer instinct” is there something indicative of this “killer instinct” a stat something. You can’t say eye test. Kobe’s killer instinct is him shooting over 3 defenders while bricking and shooting a low percentage. And the numbers prove that. He’s missed more clutch shots than he’s made in his career regular playoffs and finals.
Anyone who says argument closed automatically loses the argument 🖕
Statistics doesn't tell the whole story. MJ is the Goat. Kobe is the Better player between him & Lebron. He is so pressured to being the next goat just like how Wilt was the goat and they had Magic Bird & MJ to succeed him because of Championships.
Adam Samuel lol so what’s the other story lol that’s like the most typical thing Kobe fans say because they can’t defend the stat argument. What makes Kobe a better player. Lebron is collectively all around better basketball player than Kobe. He own his in all if not majority of the statical categories. He has way more individual accomplishments than Kobe. He’s lead his team further than Kobe. Kobe was NEVER EVER MENTIONED as the goat. Kobe is not even top 10 lebron is a top 10 player.
Adam Samuel Lebron out played Kobe in head to head match ups. Regular season. Post season. Finals and game 7s and elimination games lmao but ok bud. Delusional
any NBA player not analysts will tell u 9 times out of ten Kobe is better than. bron. think about it. if the players say it the argument is over
By that logic you have to trust everything players say, do you?
True
@@hardwoodthought1213 nice straw man. With this logic I trust people who do it'..... rather than people who just talk about it. Simple common sense. But nice try little troll bahahahha
@@Saltslanger You literally said if the players say it the argument is over, so you can’t pick and chose what they say as truth or not, either it’s all true (as you’ve stated) or like everyone else it’s an opinion. Usually one that lacks substance, few NBA players can actually judge basketball, MJ tells us as much
@@hardwoodthought1213 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️ ok. Good luck with that. U make no sense. The mental gymnastics incredible. Common sense has left the building. Wtf .....🧐
Kobe was in the west enough said ... the east has been trash for 3 decades Shannon ... u kno nothing about basketball
They were. The 90's was one of the weakest decade of basketball. Jordan is overated
@@jimpaul7417 weakest? yet some of the toughest players are from the 90s? and some of the softest players are playing today, like Dwight. hmmmmmmm
Jokic is lethargic but is shattering the stat sheet? If Shaq or Rodman guarded him he'll be history.
Then now bron is in the west .then say east is strong conference.what does it say???.
Are people serious? They actually think lebron is better than Kobe?They need to ask themselves a question. Who would you want on ur team game 7 in the finals?
There’s a reason when ppl talk about Shaq leaving they never mention Phil Jackson leaving, Kobe’s shoulder surgery, the Lakers going through 3 coaching changes, and the trash team that was Kobe’s supporting cast.
There’s also a reason they only talk about the first 3 years after he left. Because the 4th year Kobe was right back in the finals. Then again the next year and again the next year. And both wins came against teams with 3 all stars (and a DPOY in 09) while he played with one all star reserve. Put some respect on that man’s name.
U really broke that down
Kobe played in a elite era of basketball more physical and defensive presence... Lebron is good but he didnt start winning rings until the league adjusted to his liking... No argument needed if you know the history of the NBA
Ant Banks dude I completely agree with you and this is the exact reason why I love college basketball more physicality and defensive presence
Well put dude. They wanted him to win. They gave him those chips, he didnt earn them. Those are facts everybody should have already seen......
Lol Shannon is such a Kobe hater 😂 #MambaAllDay
LESHANON SHARPE IS TOPS IN LBJ'S PAYROLL!
Shannon said Michael Jackson had Phil Jackson for most of his career lmao 😂
mar rey lol
lebron is coachable? lmfao. You really think spolestra or mike brown are that good of coaches its called the Lebron Regime
Did you see K-marts reaction!?
It's funny how all the media pick LeBron, but the players who played the game and played against both always choose Kobe.
Lol I guess the media know the game better then. Lebron literally does everything better except defense which ain’t a lot worse maybe slightly worse. Lebron is a way better passer a better scorer and a better rebounder
@@Ken-zh2br Lmao LeBron 2013 should have won defensive player of the year. Too bad they dont want him to win.
LeBron has more finals MVP and MVP than Kobe. They are jealous of LeBron. Kobe is not better than LeBron hes a three time sidekick.
@roger
Yep because media can be purchased and players who played againts them know a genuine Kobe and a fraud lebron. Just like ken and other le fraudsters say, they will talk about stats about le fraud but they don't want to include finals loosi g 6 times with lefraud got super teams in a soft era of NBA. Haha! Yep! They can't handle thay, and the othe low inte llect here said kob was a side kick? Wow! Clearly he didn't know kob and shaq got .5 differnce in points scoring in playoffs in 01 and 02. Hahaha! Poor people brainwashed by media.
@jack
Here's a tissue now to wipe off those tears boohhh booh. Hahahah!
Shannon what was LeBron doing before Wade Bosh then Kyrie & KLove
Finals
he was as I remember him back then, a king without a ring.
Nothing
he also seems to not know Shaq actually played with Lebron lmao.
sir jones making a 3-6 finals record.. If he even goes this year.
Kobe was a killer on the court. LeBron is not. Remember during the allstar game when LeBron punked out when he had a chance to go one on one with Kobe. No way LeBron is better than Kobe
Galaxy Trippin Bron hit a game winner over Kobe. Kobe hit a game winner over Bron. Killer instinct seems the same to me
Wow, an all star game..............
YogiYetiz_ Simple You're dumb
Galaxy Trippin Twice too...kobe looked so disappointed.
An all star game? 😂😂 L
How LEBRON is a better all-around player then Kobe and MJ? LeBron can't handle a Phil Jackson as a Coach. He been playing the same offense since high school. Dats the only way he can play. He has to have the ball and clear the lane. Elementary offense
LOUISIANA RENEGADE and is still an all time great
He's never had a legitimately great coach. Imagine the plays Brad Stevens, Pope, and Phil Jackson would draw with Lebron's talents.
LOUISIANA RENEGADE rarely see him pick and pop
KALIMA MUSIC i hate that argument. Youre telling me throughout his career he couldve never gone to play for a great coach?? He can go where ever he wants. If he wanted to play for Greg P, he definately could have. Pop would take him
they ran pick and pops a ton with love and korver
"which one of those is shaq..that lebrons played with?"
LeBron actually had Shaq. On the Cavs lmao
Lol he did play shaq facts
Yeah and old Shaq. Kobe had Shaq in his prime and was carried to 3 championships.shaq 3MVPF
@Lifes a Beach Kobe played with Prime shaq. Then Lebron played with old shaq (Out of his prime)
Know your history brother!
Old Shaq
By the time Lebron got Shaq, he was already old, plagued by injuries and overweight. If Lebron had played with a prime Shaq as Kobe did, they would have won 5 at least considering that Lebron is a team 1st player unlike Kobe. Rip.
KOBE BRYANT WAS LIKE A REAL LIFE SUPERHERO THATS ALL I HAVE TO SAY
The disrespect on Kobe was real!
The so called "basketball analyst" always talk about the greatness of LeBron and always says negative on Kobe.
Yeah, Lebron is great he have great statiscal numbers, 8 straight trip to Finals, he's getting a better shooter etc.
But when "analyst" they talk about Kobe, I never heard from them about how he disect the game, his pure basketball skills, a lockdown defender, beating great teams in the West with 50win seasons, and most people only watch his later part of his career with so many major injuries.
WORD
I call them 'Statletes'. They aint athletes they just know how to read stats and like to believe that basketball is played on paper. The Max Kellermans of the world
@@KyleC11 Not all stats matter, but stats like plus minus and TS% matter, as they show how good your team would be without compared to what they with you on the court, and TS% shows how efficient you actually are, and LeBron blows Kobe out of the water in both. And having 2 - 3 more assists without having many more turnovers show that LeBron has often created significantly more offense for his team than Kobe and that he's easily more valuable to his team. Those are the kind of stats that matter.
Bron been there 10 times on 3 teams and only got 4 rings?!? 😂🤣 how tf is he even in the goat convo... Smh hes not even the best in his era.
Choose Steph over Leflop anyday, and he's very exciting to watch.
Every Nba player choose Kobe over Lebron, every stupid analyst that has never touched the basketball in his life choose Lebron
Then how about ben wallace, Rasheed wallace, hamilton and billups? Ben is 4 times defensive player, ang chuncey is the final mvp.. How is that?
john wall picked lebron over kobe
Ercushka kulmetov,, and Michael Jordan picked kobe over lebum
@@regienicole2361 Jordan is scared of Lebron because he still has a chance of surpassing him.
@Olallo not even when Kobe beat the Celtics?
- Kobe's game EVOLVED, (just like MJ) from the high-flying acts, hangtime moves, impossible shots to the simple post-up and mid-range game. Lebron's game REVOLVES on who are the superstars he wants to get
- at 6'8, the strength and the built Lebron has, try to imagine MJ/Kobe w/such attributes and they take you to the post, that can be a go to move for Lebron during clutch situations rather than being passive
- MJ '02 and '03, still has the slayer's mindset
- Kobe's last 2 to 3 seasons, still slaying it even against D-Wade, KD, Klay and other prime/younger guys
- Lebron, just never ever had it
Thank you
I take kobe on my team any time any place his the best period.
Kobe is better than LeBron
no
Yes indeed
Kobe over Lebron all day
THE GREAT ONE nah
LeBron James Lebron is higher ranked in the all time list but I would still take Kobe on my team
My manz said Michael Jackson 😂😂 3:10
Lol. I caught tht too..i thought he was gone use a jackson 5 reference lollll
LeBron is a half-step behind Kobe and a full-step behind MJ. But all three are phenomenal in terms of their play.
As a huge Lebron fan I can admit that he is no Jordan and is not better than Kobe
Jordan no. I'll take him over Kobe all day.
Fel_718 thank u
FLEX_NYC Omg an honest LeBron and Kobe fan...I really didn't ever hear any big LeBron fans say that. So much respect to you for honesty. U a real one.
FLEX_NYC i disagree but thats me.
Kobe Keys not honest just respectful
I'll take Kobe all day over Lebron. People act like Lebron won his chips alone. No great has won alone. However, Lebron has disappeared when his team had needed him most (see: Dallas Mavericks, Boston Celtics). Kobe NEVER disappeared when the Lakers needed him. There were times when Kobe didn't have enough help, but nobody ever said, "Where is Kobe!?!"
AnotherSKYWALKR game 7 2010 finals, kobe shot 6 for 24...
Joe he also scored 23 points and had 15 rebounds and was THE key reason the Lakers WON game 7! His jumper wasn't falling so he got to the free throw line. He had an excellent 4th quarter to seal the Celtics fate. Nobody could EVER say where was Kobe during a finals series or game 7!
Joe AND Kobe was the leading scorer on BOTH teams that day!
JMO the only reason why they win cause Kendrick Perkins didn't play I watched that series and he was a huge reason why Kobe got 15 boards like that. The Celtics enforcer was not there.
Le Var Grace Perkins was huge that series. Celtic Defense was insane! One of the best in modern NBA history. My point is Kobe never disappeared in the Finals. Win or lose the opponent was going to feel Kobe's presence. I believe Kobe would've done what he had to to get the win. Also, Gasol was practically no help. He literally looked scared that series.
Kobe Is A Better BASKETBALL PLAYER Than LeBron , think about it the only true basketball skill LeBron is great at is court Vision , Kobe has great footwork , Jumpshot , Handle
Young Suave You have to be joking, I ain't a lebron fan but that is jokes
Hassaan H17 You're "not a LeBron fan" yet here you are trying to dispute every fact that proves Kobe is better. Maybe you're just a Kobe hater...
Young Suave thank you! 👏🏾
whaaaat?
sand water but lebron is still a better all around player (joking)
It's funny how shannon said,what did two scoring title's lead to? Look at lebron's stats? What have those lead to?
A conference title... and an NBA Finals... The thing is , if I have the 2018 cavs roster , I would rather have Lebron than Kobe...
4 MVP’s, 4 rings, 4 finals MVPs, 10 finals appearances, most all-nba selections of all time, most playoff game winners of all time, most playoff wins of all time, most playoff points of all time, most playoff 40 point games in a single season, top 5 in career triple doubles, 2nd all time in scoring, should I go on?
@@reidwinter1023 4-10 finals never ever ever will he be in the same category as 1 and 2 Kobe or mj
@@klue2196 Lebron beats Kobe in every single aspect of basketball, including scoring
@@reidwinter1023 you do realize Kobe took over 3000 shots hurt right
the difference between Kobe and Lebron is this...
You let Lebron snowball : he will average Triple Double but you may end up with a win
You let Kobe snowball: he will bury you and put a tombstone on the game..
Kobe is a late game carry, Lebron is great support.
That's the difference.
L bro lebron has more clutch playoff baskets than kobe he can definitely bury you as well
That’s ONE OF MANY, let’s not forget DEFENSE, (which everyone seems to gloss over!). The thing about Jordan and Kobe is... they would often shut down the other teams top scorer and STILL get you 30-40 pts!!!!
3:10 Michael Jackson
😂😂😂😂😂
NBA2KLTT17 💀
I think Jordan’s comment was taken a bit out of context, and also.. what ELSE was actually said. Kobe is absolutely a better player than LeBron. Who would you rather have on your team when it matters most... LeBron will flop, and Kobe will STEP UP and win.
Jonathan Baumler lol koBRICK blew up a 3-1 lead you don’t know that? You dumbfuck! 🤣🤣🤣🖕🏻
@@marcojosesiongcocpa7313 An injured roster he beat and he couldn't win that finals had Kyrie not scored 41 points in game 5 and that famous 3 in game 7.
Kobe didn't even make the last clutch shot of most of his title wins..Nor was he the best player on his own team
@@adamsamuel8593 LeBron outscored both teams and kyrie wouldn't have a Clutch 3 without the Clutch Block By LeBron james
Marcus Smart yes and Kobe also single handedly outscored an entire mavericks team(who was one of tje best teams back in the day)62-61. Can lebron outscore an entire team?
Well said Skip! He knows and everyone else does also. Kobe the man
Kobe Bryant , Dwayne Wade & Chris Bosh would of never lost to that Mavericks team. Lebron is trash .
Son of Eden but lakers didnt have wade and bosh or the bench miami had. Kobe wouldn't have lost with that squad.
You’re right kobe just had gasol, artest, 6man odom & Bynum and still got swept while kobe was outplayed by Peja
jeremiah walker u saying Shaq is better than having Bosh and Wade?
They sweep LA so bad bro they didn't face since 22 years
Wade did lose to the Mavericks
Surprised to say that, but I totally agree with Skip ;) Oh and MJ and Kobe were both better defenders than Lbj
Also why don’t you look at Kobe’s game winning shot highlights and the type of shots he had to make and take to help his team win!
Lebron has the most playoff game winners in nba history
@@reidwinter1023 yo where the rings if he was as clutch as you say
@@klue2196 Buddy has absolutely no response so he turns to rings, which are a team accomplishment😂
@@reidwinter1023 bruhhh stop the excuses please you looking bad af lebron ain’t even half of Kobe face the facts
@@klue2196 I haven’t made a single excuse
I come from the Middle East and I used to love soccer when I see Kobe playing basketball. I start watching basketball because him is the best player ever
Skip is absolutely right.
BlabsMcGillicutty You can't be the man LeBron because you're not the man and Skip was 100% correct
Lol if u think Kobe is Better that LeBron don’t watch basketball
King I could say the same bout you... and in fact, if you think Lebron is better than Kobe then you don’t watch basketball
Kobe better 3-5
LeBron better then Kobe, but not mj
If Kobe was in the EAST. He would have 10 rings and score 45ppg. Lebron too afraid to go to the WEST, smart move though.
Lmao ten rings. If Kobe got drafted by the hornets and played his career without shaq in the east with the super team Celtics and lebron he'd get two
I don't think he'd even have those. Not with Charlotte's management.
LeBron is afraid of the west? Then why is the west so stacked? KD could of joined the east, all these years they could come to the east since it's a cake walk but they know they would have no chance against born lol
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If Kobe had stayed in Charlotte no doubt he wouldn’t be considered anywhere in the top 100 without the Charlotte organization, David stern and the referees to go to all lengths to build a team around him that can win despite him. Mamba mentality = force to shoot over two three four defenders while all the good shooters are open so that I can try and be legendary like mike and hopefully my bricks can guide themselves in the basket so that I don’t go 6/24 in a finals game seven and miss all six three point attempts over several defenders, because I don’t need to pass it to a wide open Pau Gasol who’s 2 inches from the rim by himself 🙄
When did Paul Gasol became some all-time great player. Paul Gasol was a all-star at best. Lebron fans complain that Love is not enough for Lebron to win championships, but Gasol was enough for Kobe. Kobe is the only legend to win by himself. Lebron had Kyrie, Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh and K Love. Michael had Scottie Pippen for all 6 rings, which was the 2 best players in the league at that time. Kobe won by himself against 4 hall of famers against the Boston Celtics. Kobe/MJ = Goat
LOL Kobe didn't win a damn thing by himself. When Kobe was by himself he missed the playoffs entirely and then got booted out the first two years running.
3 of Kobe's rings he was the 2nd fiddle to Shaq. The other 2 Kobe had the best frontcourt in the league. Someone had to rebound Kobe's bricks.
@@xaviervega468 and Bron needed Ray Allen and Kyrie to hit big shots for him instead him taking it. At least Kobe was taking it on himself. MJ is right rings matter. But it is how you win them that matters.
@@jeffchiu8146 LOL seriously??? We're going to pretend Robert Horry, Derek Fisher, and Ron Artest didn't hit big shots for Kobe??
Kobetards= most willfully delusional fans in basketball.
pfft resort to name calling now i see. Your boy Bron didn't like taking those shots late in the game bruh lets be honest here.
@@jeffchiu8146 He's hit more of those shots in the playoffs than Kobe ever did. WAY more.