Awesome lesson! Welsh double L sounds voiceless too, and this sound is used in some native American languages as well, like Navajo for example. You have my gratitude, sir.
The big term sir cannot be misused by ppl and must be edited out, and pronouns etc cannot be with capital letter, and the words sal and mon ave and is and fran and ber cannot be in someone’s name, and all unsuitable names must be changed - also, the LL in Welsh sounds like an airy S sound to me!
Imitating Sid the Sloth from Ice Age helped me vanquish the dreaded Icelandic LL. The late actress Caroll Channing's voice was similar. T sound uses tongue tip, LL uses tongue middle. I have a more detailed description if there's any interest. In my humble opinion. Well, my dogs think my vocabulary pronunciation practice is hilarious. Thanks for the awesome videos. Good quality information. Still subscribed.
I think your accent lands in the uncanny valley for me. You're the most Icelandic sounding person I know, that still sounds like a foreigner. Kind of messes with my head. You could look at it as a complement I guess, haha
I have a question regarding the double L sounds. i have noticed that in the middle of words it seems to make an actual full T-L sound, whereas at the end of words it makes pretty much just the click sound. Is this a rule of the LL? I haven’t heard anybody mention this pronunciation difference, but it seems pretty major, and I want to make sure I learn this correctly!
While it may seem like LL makes different sounds in the middle and end of words, there is no recognized distinction that I'm aware of. Perhaps it sounds different because many languages allow the devoicing of L after a T in the middle of a word, so the sound is more natural for learners. Fewer languages allow a word-final TL, so the devoiced L sounds more like a click. The best way to make sure you're doing it right is to practice and then ask an Icelander for feedback :) If it helps you to view them as two different sounds and an Icelander gives you the thumbs-up, then you're good to go!
Yes, I believe that's true. It's common to use kj when transcribing, and I prefer it because it makes more sense to learners, even if c is more accurate.
kk is nearly the same as in german. so not so hard for me did it right from the start :D L is really hard but the most sounds are familiar to me. we have the ch for the "breathing" sound. Like if i would write the word Hlusta for me I woul write chlusta while this in english would be clusta... anyway :D very helpful and if you ever want to learn german, I'm your man ;) okay here's some german wildness... instead of "the" we have "der" "die" and "das" where "der" is male, "die" is female and "das" is neutral But as well it often totally does not makes sense. Sample: the girl - das Mädchen (the clothes) of the girls - (die Kleidung) der Mädchen the girls (are loud) - die Mädchen (sind laut) and that's not really all :) we also have "des" (the skit of) the girl (is nice) - (Der Rock) des Mädchens (ist schön)
I'm glad you're enjoying learning the Icelandic sounds! Be careful though, although Icelandic KK (ʰk) sounds similar to German CH (x), it is not the exact same sound :)
Why isn’t von used tho? Von means of, I think... And the singular form shouldn’t be the same as the plural form, so why isn’t the singular form with an A instead of Ä which sounds more like a plural form vowel?
I'm looking for a proper pronunciation of tölt, I've heard it pronounced as written in English and with the lt pronounced like the Nahuatl tl.. how does it sound pronounced correctly? I'm looking for it at 8:53 but I can't be sure I'm "breathing" the l correctly because "salt" isn't doing it for me lol
I'm only minimally familiar with the Nahuatl sound so I can't say how similar it is. Tölt is pronounced with the voiceless L that I describe in the video. The IPA would be like this: /ˈtœl̥t/. Here is a link to the Arnastofnun dictionary, which has an audio clip for pronunciation: islenskordabok.arnastofnun.is/ord/42782
I will watching all of your nice made videos but i have the most problems with the word "allt". I know that it has the voiceless L but I am feeling so wierd when saying a sentence with allt because we don't use this sound at all in german I think. Someone said you should just form the L with your tongue and breath out.
Yes, it's a tricky sound. I would agree with whoever told you to form the L with your tongue and breathe out. I will begin doing online lessons soon for individuals who want to practice. Email me at icelandicforforeigners@gmail.com if you are interested; I could give you a short one for free.
I’ve heard the allt in “allt gott” pronounced 2 different ways Primsleur cd speaker pronounces it ALT like in alt, CTRL, Delete for English speakers saying to reboot a computer and have heard it another ways that sounds like WASHT without the w sound of course Having a really tough time with it and SAELL butI’ve go most of the greetings down good in my opinion Up to about 215 words on my way to 1,000 as suggested
Awesome lesson! Welsh double L sounds voiceless too, and this sound is used in some native American languages as well, like Navajo for example. You have my gratitude, sir.
and Welsh
The big term sir cannot be misused by ppl and must be edited out, and pronouns etc cannot be with capital letter, and the words sal and mon ave and is and fran and ber cannot be in someone’s name, and all unsuitable names must be changed - also, the LL in Welsh sounds like an airy S sound to me!
Anyway, I listened to it again, and it sounds like a soft S sound, same as the LL in Welsh - I definitely hear an S sound!
Imitating Sid the Sloth from Ice Age helped me vanquish the dreaded Icelandic LL. The late actress Caroll Channing's voice was similar. T sound uses tongue tip, LL uses tongue middle. I have a more detailed description if there's any interest. In my humble opinion. Well, my dogs think my vocabulary pronunciation practice is hilarious. Thanks for the awesome videos. Good quality information. Still subscribed.
I'm glad you enjoy the videos! And yes, I find imitating Sid the Sloth to be helpful as well :)
With Grindavik, and Hagafell in the news, this was very useful to satisfying my twitching when hearing the "t" sound at the end of Hagafell. 🙂
Thank you so much for these lessons! You explain everything so concisely! Be well!
I am the only Ivy, and the big unsuitable names Ivy and Stuart must be changed, and pronouns can never be with a capital letter!
Is 'HL' sound like the double 'LL' in Welsh? Kinda like that Donald Duck sound?
The pronunciation of the first name of Halldór Laxness, the Nobel-prize winning novelist, is also one of those exceptions to the double-l rule.
That’s right! I had to meet several Halldórs before someone corrected me
another great video. TAKK FYRIR
I didn't knew some rules about L. Thanks!
I think your accent lands in the uncanny valley for me. You're the most Icelandic sounding person I know, that still sounds like a foreigner. Kind of messes with my head. You could look at it as a complement I guess, haha
Yeah I haven't totally managed to close the gap. I know very few people who have in Icelandic, but I aspire to it!
I have a question regarding the double L sounds. i have noticed that in the middle of words it seems to make an actual full T-L sound, whereas at the end of words it makes pretty much just the click sound. Is this a rule of the LL? I haven’t heard anybody mention this pronunciation difference, but it seems pretty major, and I want to make sure I learn this correctly!
While it may seem like LL makes different sounds in the middle and end of words, there is no recognized distinction that I'm aware of. Perhaps it sounds different because many languages allow the devoicing of L after a T in the middle of a word, so the sound is more natural for learners. Fewer languages allow a word-final TL, so the devoiced L sounds more like a click.
The best way to make sure you're doing it right is to practice and then ask an Icelander for feedback :) If it helps you to view them as two different sounds and an Icelander gives you the thumbs-up, then you're good to go!
Takk
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Thanks!
Thank you very much!
[kj] is phonetically [c] in Icelandic
Yes, I believe that's true. It's common to use kj when transcribing, and I prefer it because it makes more sense to learners, even if c is more accurate.
kk is nearly the same as in german. so not so hard for me did it right from the start :D L is really hard but the most sounds are familiar to me.
we have the ch for the "breathing" sound. Like if i would write the word Hlusta for me I woul write chlusta while this in english would be clusta...
anyway :D very helpful and if you ever want to learn german, I'm your man ;)
okay here's some german wildness...
instead of "the" we have "der" "die" and "das" where "der" is male, "die" is female and "das" is neutral
But as well it often totally does not makes sense.
Sample:
the girl - das Mädchen
(the clothes) of the girls - (die Kleidung) der Mädchen
the girls (are loud) - die Mädchen (sind laut)
and that's not really all :) we also have "des"
(the skit of) the girl (is nice) - (Der Rock) des Mädchens (ist schön)
I'm glad you're enjoying learning the Icelandic sounds! Be careful though, although Icelandic KK (ʰk) sounds similar to German CH (x), it is not the exact same sound :)
Why isn’t von used tho? Von means of, I think... And the singular form shouldn’t be the same as the plural form, so why isn’t the singular form with an A instead of Ä which sounds more like a plural form vowel?
Clusta in English wouldn’t sound like that - the HL sound doesn’t exist in English at all! As for the German CH, isn’t it pronounced like an H sound?
I'm looking for a proper pronunciation of tölt, I've heard it pronounced as written in English and with the lt pronounced like the Nahuatl tl.. how does it sound pronounced correctly? I'm looking for it at 8:53 but I can't be sure I'm "breathing" the l correctly because "salt" isn't doing it for me lol
I'm only minimally familiar with the Nahuatl sound so I can't say how similar it is. Tölt is pronounced with the voiceless L that I describe in the video. The IPA would be like this: /ˈtœl̥t/. Here is a link to the Arnastofnun dictionary, which has an audio clip for pronunciation: islenskordabok.arnastofnun.is/ord/42782
@@icelandicforforeigners thank you so much for answering!
Edit: the link was very helpful, exactly what I was looking for, thanks again!
And how do I pronounce allt?
/al̥t/
@@icelandicforforeigners I thank you for your time and greatly appreciate the response.
I will watching all of your nice made videos but i have the most problems with the word "allt". I know that it has the voiceless L but I am feeling so wierd when saying a sentence with allt because we don't use this sound at all in german I think. Someone said you should just form the L with your tongue and breath out.
Yes, it's a tricky sound. I would agree with whoever told you to form the L with your tongue and breathe out. I will begin doing online lessons soon for individuals who want to practice. Email me at icelandicforforeigners@gmail.com if you are interested; I could give you a short one for free.
I’ve heard the allt in “allt gott” pronounced 2 different ways
Primsleur cd speaker pronounces it ALT like in alt, CTRL, Delete for English speakers saying to reboot a computer and have heard it another ways that sounds like WASHT without the w sound of course
Having a really tough time with it and SAELL butI’ve go most of the greetings down good in my opinion
Up to about 215 words on my way to 1,000 as suggested