I think one of the major problem was that a lot of people aren’t used to playing new argus, like now I don’t struggle as much as when the changes dropped
Good for you. No offense but sometimes we better shut up and never underestimate these heroes again next time until you play them properly, dude. Okay?
What if your enemies have some braincells and don't hit you? argus has no control over his ult reset,usually my team just runs away from him,his ult doesn't reset and we easily kill him. same happens for my arguses. he became much worse on high rank but better in low rank
@@arigatameiwakuI’m in low rank, so the enemies are stupid and don’t do that. Even if they do, I try to stay near my teammates, who can either follow up or cover me if I want to back off
@@SimplyEdMY its the same when facing gatokaca like why is my marksman still attacking him when i am running from him and he so close as the jungler (karina) i can easily burst him down but i need to make sure my skills are ready. W. t. f are you doing
@@arigatameiwakuif the enemies don't hit you, you have 25 seconds of CD as opposed to 36, you have the advantages of your stronger passive if you crit, and even if you have "no control" over your ultimate, situations where you can are not out of the window. Already 25 seconds of cd for not activating your death immunity as opposed to 36 is a major win
All argus players go through the stages grief in reaction to the buff: Denial: it cant be bad right Anger: why is this buff shitty Bargaining: moonton please buff him more Depression: man he sucks now Acceptance: maybe its not that bad
Ayyyy! Im back again. I dont think you were wrong. You definitely made some valid points in the previous argus video. They definitely did not need to nerf his splitpushing, and they also did not need to nerf his trinity build to dust. But I still think he is a respectable hero to play,,especially with his higher skill ceiling i hope to see him in proplay! Ulting at full health is the new argus and its extremely scary for the enemy. Oh, and he has way more 1v9 potential. The ability to have an 8second ulti means you get a lot more time to dish out a whoooooole lot of damage (i think his damage is better than before, thats just personal though) People really underestimate argus man... A good player with a team that doesnt die in 15 minutes would probably extend the match at least. His early is okay if you play safer (but he still has kill pressure), his mid game roam pressure is disgusting with his ult cooldown, and his late game melts people so fast you are guaranteed a double kill in teamfights. He still has the same counters. Have a few CC heroes in your team, and hes as good as dead, itl just take a little longer now. Lots of mobility is good too! The faster you run the less he hits you. I dont think dom ice is a counter anymore, since late game his damage is so ridiculous you dont need attack speed. But CC and mobility are still good ways to avoid him. To the argus players, enjoy him! To the people not sure of him, give him a chance, adjust to his playstyle, and he will be decent, like all heroes in ML. To the argus haters, well, goodluck when hes running at you full build.
They nerfed his split pushing a lot but at least you can actually teamfight with him now which should be a Fighter's job. I do like playing aggressively and rarely resorts to split pushing so I guess this new Argus fits my game style more.
What I don't like abt new argus is the removal of lifesteal from minions, like u r really in a disadvantage when u go up against high mobility heroes specially in early games
You can skip the boots to take thunderbelt (along with wind talker it will make up for the movement speed of boots, 20 mov speed from tb and another 20 from windtalker, the same with 40 mov speed from the boots) however there is a catch: your early will be a bit weaker than normal, neither tb nor wt give enough damage for early game soo I don't really recommend it for Argus but if you want some sort of tankiness that's pretty much the only way (you could get rose gold meteor, dhs, haas claws for the hybrid deff but you will lose more damage and less damage in late game+ def if you don't pick the thunderbelt in the long run. ) All in all I would stick with the crit build to be honest, my only point is that there are some alternatives
@@lordevolder9907 yeah they just want him to be relevant because moonton has his epic or collector ready for like 2 years now, lol. they been itchin to sell it for the longest time🤣
Indeed this argus is a good initiator plus he can tank a turret for 8sec at most, helping your team to destroy the turret. That is if your team understand your intention
Ik this might sound like a troll build but Golden staffs passive makes double the attack effects right? Now I tried this in practice and I found out that it also affects Yu Zhong's passive so i figured you could try him in the future with Golden staff with any build(idc what you build him he's just built different tbh) This is just a little request tho so don't take this too seriously
it is very easy to kite new argus tho, you just dont trigger second phase of his ulti and when the ult ends argus left to just die. (my 1v1 experience against him on dyrroth, hilda, yz)
@walangaccount8984 I think it became even worse. before he could trade until very low hp and turn back with ult. but now he is forced to use ult beforehand to get more dmg and maximize his ult duration. he also lost mobility on 2nd skill. also even weaker start than before
Argus split pushing is like sun 2.0 when no one is trying to stop them. One moment you know your turrets are all gone. Thats why argus is banned to me I know he's hurt when someone uses him very well besides of harith.
If you don't activate argus immortality then his ult CD is cut in half so meaning he can use it again much sooner so you can either proc his immortality so he's ult is longer but making yourself indanger or run away when he ult but his CD is much faster this way
This is the type of content i wanna see from u rather than toxic teammates. You are teaching us u know
True.
Maybe... I was wrong
Yeah I think hes still good cause now I can fight in massive team fights
the downsides outway the upsides he now has a way higher skill ceiling
I think one of the major problem was that a lot of people aren’t used to playing new argus, like now I don’t struggle as much as when the changes dropped
Good for you. No offense but sometimes we better shut up and never underestimate these heroes again next time until you play them properly, dude. Okay?
U was wrong as fk, now argus is unstopable
From my experience, the ult duration rework helps a lot to increase his survivability
What if your enemies have some braincells and don't hit you? argus has no control over his ult reset,usually my team just runs away from him,his ult doesn't reset and we easily kill him. same happens for my arguses.
he became much worse on high rank but better in low rank
@@arigatameiwakuI’m in low rank, so the enemies are stupid and don’t do that. Even if they do, I try to stay near my teammates, who can either follow up or cover me if I want to back off
@@SimplyEdMY its the same when facing gatokaca like why is my marksman still attacking him when i am running from him and he so close as the jungler (karina) i can easily burst him down but i need to make sure my skills are ready. W. t. f are you doing
How? Isn't the immortality the same as before? It's not like he is immortal for 8seconds
@@arigatameiwakuif the enemies don't hit you, you have 25 seconds of CD as opposed to 36, you have the advantages of your stronger passive if you crit, and even if you have "no control" over your ultimate, situations where you can are not out of the window.
Already 25 seconds of cd for not activating your death immunity as opposed to 36 is a major win
Everyone : finds their own build
Me : uses recommended build
me: uses pro builds instead
Me copying my enemies build that was a good user
@@NatzuOfficiali used to do that when i was a beginner
Because im a noob 😆
I don't because I play solo and not 5 man team@@hellishaxolotl2664
Everything what i need to be happy with this new argus is his ULT can regen from non-heroes. I lack this so damn much.
2:10 one of the best lines right there
All argus players go through the stages grief in reaction to the buff:
Denial: it cant be bad right
Anger: why is this buff shitty
Bargaining: moonton please buff him more
Depression: man he sucks now
Acceptance: maybe its not that bad
Trueee😂😂😂
Confirmo 🗿
I got to the "wow, I love this buff" part because I despised his 4 second ult
это просто наглая ложь. Мунтуны пидарасы испортили его тупо
it would be correct to say that the new argus is just the worst piece of shit possible
My problem with new argus is his damage is way weaker in return for his better survival.
I guess I need a new build order for him
@@tgnm9615 new argus is based on crit items, coz his passive gets more triggered now if he goes crit
Not only that they improve his survivability but his damage frequency as well
The 5% crit passive with haa's, windtalker, berserkers and dragon spear can give you a whopping 90% crit.
@@CannotGoodenoughtbut before that you would be in a losing battle
If survivability is your issue I recommend getting Haas Claws early, From my experience.
Ayyyy! Im back again. I dont think you were wrong. You definitely made some valid points in the previous argus video. They definitely did not need to nerf his splitpushing, and they also did not need to nerf his trinity build to dust. But I still think he is a respectable hero to play,,especially with his higher skill ceiling i hope to see him in proplay! Ulting at full health is the new argus and its extremely scary for the enemy.
Oh, and he has way more 1v9 potential. The ability to have an 8second ulti means you get a lot more time to dish out a whoooooole lot of damage (i think his damage is better than before, thats just personal though)
People really underestimate argus man... A good player with a team that doesnt die in 15 minutes would probably extend the match at least. His early is okay if you play safer (but he still has kill pressure), his mid game roam pressure is disgusting with his ult cooldown, and his late game melts people so fast you are guaranteed a double kill in teamfights.
He still has the same counters. Have a few CC heroes in your team, and hes as good as dead, itl just take a little longer now. Lots of mobility is good too! The faster you run the less he hits you. I dont think dom ice is a counter anymore, since late game his damage is so ridiculous you dont need attack speed. But CC and mobility are still good ways to avoid him.
To the argus players, enjoy him! To the people not sure of him, give him a chance, adjust to his playstyle, and he will be decent, like all heroes in ML. To the argus haters, well, goodluck when hes running at you full build.
its not true
They nerfed his split pushing a lot but at least you can actually teamfight with him now which should be a Fighter's job.
I do like playing aggressively and rarely resorts to split pushing so I guess this new Argus fits my game style more.
What I don't like abt new argus is the removal of lifesteal from minions, like u r really in a disadvantage when u go up against high mobility heroes specially in early games
So far the best guide rather than other full game show off lucky gameplays.
If only he had some built in crit chance, I'd make building easier and maybe he could use an actual fighter build, with 1-2 defence items
You can skip the boots to take thunderbelt (along with wind talker it will make up for the movement speed of boots, 20 mov speed from tb and another 20 from windtalker, the same with 40 mov speed from the boots) however there is a catch: your early will be a bit weaker than normal, neither tb nor wt give enough damage for early game soo I don't really recommend it for Argus but if you want some sort of tankiness that's pretty much the only way (you could get rose gold meteor, dhs, haas claws for the hybrid deff but you will lose more damage and less damage in late game+ def if you don't pick the thunderbelt in the long run. )
All in all I would stick with the crit build to be honest, my only point is that there are some alternatives
Tysm bro your build is overpowered
So, is this like a buff for 5 man but a nerf for for soloQ?
Maybe.
Idk, but do they really want him to be in tournament so bad?
Yes, he is just pretty decent for 1v1 but he's much better of at team fights.
@@lordevolder9907 yeah they just want him to be relevant because moonton has his epic or collector ready for like 2 years now, lol. they been itchin to sell it for the longest time🤣
@@lordevolder9907 probably they are bored seing the same hero in exp lane again and again
Indeed this argus is a good initiator plus he can tank a turret for 8sec at most, helping your team to destroy the turret. That is if your team understand your intention
My problem is that the turret dmg doesn't reset when I'm out of evil state...
Fleeting time and 2 cdr items is actually good to use on Argus now since assists can activate fleeting time passive
The good thing about this argus is that he can do target lock TikTok stuff like killing the enemy squishies in their base
Old argus could do that easily
No matter how many times they change him ill always adapt rather than complain or stop playing him
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Hey i know u ❤
Ik this might sound like a troll build but
Golden staffs passive makes double the attack effects right?
Now I tried this in practice and I found out that it also affects Yu Zhong's passive so i figured you could try him in the future with Golden staff with any build(idc what you build him he's just built different tbh)
This is just a little request tho so don't take this too seriously
Then you have no crit which is what his current kit is based off
@NinjaGS_ since when did Yu Zhong use crit in his kit?
My team never followed if I initiate team fight but they like to take buff 😢
Aight always check the map if you want to initiate something as a solo player
But should you really ult at full hp cs most likely enemies wouldn't be able to deal fatal damage not resetting the timer
In teamfights, yes, not less than 60%, in 1v1, no
1:49 they got fuckin shredded
The only downside about this argus for me is he is weaker in early cause of his 2nd skill nerf
my strategy is hide in bush, if they come close, inspire+skill 1
All i want to now how to kill heroes like dyrroth with argus, i literally always get slain by dyrroth he just doesnt die
it is very easy to kite new argus tho, you just dont trigger second phase of his ulti and when the ult ends argus left to just die. (my 1v1 experience against him on dyrroth, hilda, yz)
Argus' weakness is just running when he ults and there is really nothing to fix that lol.
@walangaccount8984 I think it became even worse. before he could trade until very low hp and turn back with ult. but now he is forced to use ult beforehand to get more dmg and maximize his ult duration. he also lost mobility on 2nd skill. also even weaker start than before
I would rather use marksman emblem rather than assassin emblem just because Argus mainly focuses on more crit landed
I thought this is a gold lane argus.. But thanks for the tip..
Argus split pushing is like sun 2.0 when no one is trying to stop them. One moment you know your turrets are all gone. Thats why argus is banned to me I know he's hurt when someone uses him very well besides of harith.
how about floating time last item?
Okie i think my comment on last video was wrong too i have recently watched other youtubers and they are doing good with argus
I think new argus is good but the only thing can stop argus is cc ❤
Walk away
Thanks for the build bro with this build I can one shot Squishies I even got mvp with this build, Tysm 🔥
But also one thing
If you wanna play argus ban those tanks that has taunts in them so you can kill damage dealers
May I ask why aren't you last hitting the minions on 2:48?? I'm not like coach "nobrain" I'm just asking.
if last hits he will lose hp from diggies bomb😅
Wasn't worth the chip damage from diggie bomb
and thats very disadvantages he might die or even get low hp maybe that’s why
Oh yeah. They already answered it.
Guys the thing i do not get is what if his aoe damage from his ult does jot hit an enemy does he get a debuff or something
😊👍💪💡
1:13 epic enemy hardstuck moment. In which world do they reset argus ult like that?
Yeah, Good thing i have an argus hero 🎉
ML probably the only game where 8s immortality don't considered broken.
If you are against argus, don't attack him while he is ulting. That way, his invincibility only lasts for 4s.
If you don't activate argus immortality then his ult CD is cut in half so meaning he can use it again much sooner so you can either proc his immortality so he's ult is longer but making yourself indanger or run away when he ult but his CD is much faster this way
@@ISimp4Me I agree, but you could just chain cc him to death.
Or just build dominance.
Bro you said it was a Nerf but when I faced a argus in rank I got melted and I was playing Masha 😂❤❤
How I especially pick masha against argus if I ever see one and he can't do nothing
@@temuulenbaldorj1900depends on the user tho.. I've killed alpha, thamuz too which can counter argus..
no more masha?
Yes masha
Argus is busted if you know how to actually think and join fight rather than just engaging fights like an ai
That is what argus players love about him his a battle maniac but now his a hit and run punk
I somehow 1v5 the enemy with the new Argus 💀
Man argus outright sucks rn
Master assassin is useless in late game and Argus can't really fight in early game
I told yall that he is op y'all just didnt believe me
Where is the build and emblem bro