If you ask me, i believe the training he done was to control his power at 100% without suffering the muscular form of Frieza only that he found a way to get more power and inadvertently found himself in the 5th form
@@wolfwing1235th form is above his full power state, like how golden frieza is above his full power state. Full power state is their base form not holding back, all weaker forms were made by the species so they can control their power, so they can just make new forms if they want, frieza specifically said he chose the golden color to show he's a better golden fighter than super saiyans
@@wolfwing123 yes I know, but his full power shouldn't be a bulky form like Frieza, he is the better example, he didn't mastered his full power, that's why he become bulkier when he access to his full power.
Honestly I like Cooler's 5th form FAR more than I do Frieza's Golden/Black form. While Cooler's fifth form was kind of lazy, it wasn't even close to being as lazily done as Frieza's transformations. Frieza's were LITERALLY just fucking palette swaps and nothing more. At the very least Cooler's silhouette changed!
@mrbuttocks6772 how is 5th form lazy. Who let this man cook? Compare to super pretty much every form is just a recolor. Like the saiyan new hair dye and 2nd form cell max another recolor and of course frieza
I believe Cooler is a mutant like his father and brother but his genes are either latent or potentially repressed on purpose, it's not hard to believe Cooler was born with unstable latent power since he managed to surpass his races physical limits with 5th form
Not really. He doesnt seem like a mutant, he seems like someone who busts his ass, thats why I like him. In the first movie, he seemed maybe 10-20 percent stronger in his base compared to friezas base (or his final form as people say) and in his "5th" form maybe double that. But thats conpared to a freiza who didnt train. The whole reason he disliked frieza is because frieza was lazy and didnt matser his strength properly, so he just used the forms to restrain his power. Sure, he could be a mutant, but definitely not the same level as frieza. I think the best way to intoduce him into canon is to make him partially bound to the big gete star AND to have trained much more. That way, he stays as someone who doesnt believe in comolacency from the start, doing whatever he can to get stronger, even learning IT (as a foul to goku and a callback to meta cooler) and becoming a cyborg by havubg some body parts replaced with mechanical parts that self regenerate and are very durable, another callback to meta cooler, while keeping his 5th form and potentially giving hin a full metal 5th form, that becomes the "platinum" everyone wants, but isnt just the same as frieza. He could serve as a wildcard villian who is against both the saiyans and frieza, for the same reason of making the frost demons, and him by extension, look like a fool. That way he isnt just *Oh I trained after not doing so for my entire life and got a new form* and stays someone who was never satisfied, learning techniques like instant transmission which you wouldnt expect from a villian character, or training consistientlt without babbling about being born perfect or being born superior.
Imagine during the Black Frieza saga once they defeat him they hear a voice laughing from above and there stands Cooler in his 5th form telling them “You should feel honored, I’ve been training my whole life to be the one to kill Frieza. Since he’s dead now you’ll get to see my full power instead” transforming into his Black form on top of his 5th form as darkness envelopes the sky
I’d be interesting to see a flip in dynamic. Cooler’s the younger brother who was born weaker. Trained constantly to surpass Frieza. And has hated him for as long as he can remember
@@TheUncivilizedNation or even better he’s the older brother but wasn’t as strong as Cold or Frieza and was perhaps too tame for Colds liking and when Frieza was born they visit Cooler and Cold let’s them fight it out for who the heir should be and Cooler gets stomped by his little brother who’s a mutant and Cold and Frieza leave him for dead and they head to Planet Vegeta where Cold introduces them to his heir Frieza as seen in the Broly movie. In the meantime Cooler heals up and then begins training to surpass his brother and obtains his 5th form and is ready to end Frieza when he finds out Frieza died on Namek. Intrigued Cooler finds out a Super Saiyan killed Frieza and fearing the power of them he stays away especially after hearing Frieza survived Namek and him and Cold went to Earth for revenge and got killed by another SSJ. Being a lot more cautious after being humiliated by Frieza he would monitor Earth and train to pass these SSJs eventually heading to Earth but stopping once he sees Majin Buu there remembering how his father warned him of Buu and Beerus he would back off again going to train again after seeing they beat Buu. He secludes himself on a planet and trains when he feels an energy that should be dead Frieza in his Golden Form on Earth being beaten again by the Saiyans with Lord Beerus watching. Finally understanding he hasn’t been training hard enough he pushes himself obtaining the Gold form too and stacking it on his 5th form. But he decides no more being left in the dust and trains intensely for a few years on a harsh planet obtaining a Black form which he stacks on his 5th form dubs himself Obsidian Cooler and he feels Black Friezas power fighting the Z fighters arriving seeing a Saiyan with White and Purple hair yelling “Final Kamehameha!” Killing his brother he would begin laughing as he descends on them
@@MasonNoThumbs That’s probably the best explanation that would fit Cooler into canon. He’s just been training for the past 50 years. Although I’d like to suggest a change to a few things. Kid Buu went on a killing spree and destroyed entire solar systems. Have Cooler be the sole survivor of Kid Buu’s rampage. Thus instilling a great fear in him. And so he trains for 9 years straight. (That’s the time gap between the Buu Saga and DBS: Super Hero). This gives Cooler around 50-60 years of training. Distinguishes his character and personality from that of his family. And ultimately makes you respect his power when he shows up. Dragon Ball has so many characters with seemingly undeserved power ups. But Cooler training for decades to be the strongest in the universe gives him a direct parallel to the Saiyans who’ve done the same thing
@@TheUncivilizedNation I like that, it also plays into the fact Cold told him to beware Buu and makes him realize in order to be feared he has to pass these legends his father told him meaning he needs to pass even Beerus or what he imagines Beerus to be
Here’s the thing. If Cold had two kids but only one successor that means there would have had to be a fight for who would get to be that successor. It would be an interesting character point if Cooler was the one person Freeza spared. When Freeza was younger he was much nicer a person and it’s only Cold’s abuse that changed him into being what he is today. My point being. Freeza is around 90 years old maybe much older. That’s over 70 years Cooler has had to train to get stronger
Or it could be Cooler was born a normal member of their race and heir to the throne and then Frieza was born a mutant surpassing his brother and Cold casts Cooler aside in favor of Frieza getting angry Cooler would attack and get easily overwhelmed by Friezas power and a death beam fired into his chest with Frieza and Cold leaving him on the planet assuming he died but he survives and begins training to kill his brother and when he’s finally able to leave the planet he sees Black Frieza fighting the Z fighters and goes to kill them all
It was confirmed in the databooks that because of the mutation it makes them evil which is why frieza has never once had a rational thought. (Ex. Getting pissed whenever he loses and tries to blows up the planet or play dirt. " if I can't win, no one will" 😂)
i imagine him taking his training seriously while frieza is too cocky and didn’t train so throughout the events of the franchise, cooler was just training somewhere in the universe
I do think it makes sense for Cooler to be a mutant like his brother and father. The reason why Toriyama says that “these two have abnormal power” is because Cooler was never canon to begin with, so if he was in the main story all along, why wouldn’t he be a mutant character like his biological brother? That wouldn’t make sense in the slightest. So I would definitely say that Cooler would have more potential than Frieza, and seeing how OP Black Frieza is, imagine a Black Cooler form? The possibilities are endless 😭
I have an idea how they could make Cooler canon: he was locked in the room of time all his life where he trained, and he is the one who trained frieza and helped him get his golden form. But after learning that his brother has been defeated again in his black form, he decides to go and defeat the Sayans with his own hands. And also what I had as an idea is how to make a cooler "cooler" is that he doesn't have to transform into gold or black form to be stronger than black frieza. He only needs his fifth form because he is simply cooler that frieza.
I think he would be able to surpass because his potential might grow from the jump as he trains and gets stronger and he could be more focused on it maybe Frieza will surpass at times but Cooler might be able to find ways to bridge the gap and be on top again.
Statements about the amount of mutants in the “Frieza Race” (canon name of the species btw) shouldn’t be applied to Cooler because he isn’t canon, he is a mutant like Frieza and their Father, it makes literally no sense otherwise, and also Cooler existed LONG before Gold and Black Frieza were even possibly an idea Toriyama had (maybe something like Golden Frieza, but definitely not Black), if Gold and even Black Frieza were a thing back then, Cooler likely would have had those forms and been stronger than Frieza, unfortunately unlike Broly, Cooler didn’t stick as well, particularly in Japan, which is the only demographic Shueisha and Toei actually care about (that’s also why we rarely get any big Dragon Ball stuff btw, it’s not as popular in Japan, which is a dumb reason but whatever), so we probably won’t see any Cooler content unless we get REALLY lucky
He would if he used the Hyperbolic Time Chamber like Frieza did. Plus, we know he’s gonna progress faster than he should due to his sheer force of will.
@@siei3i37 That's because Goku is a more intuitive and better martial artist despite Vegeta being slightly stronger in terms of raw power. Goku's Skill > Vegeta's Power
Not sure where this “Cooler isn’t a mutant” came from seeing as you do it everytime he’s in a story, but bro achieved golden in SDBH just after hearing Frieza could do it and bros not canon so who’s to say Toriyama was even considering him in that quote
I don't care what anyone says, if Cooler ever becomes cannon and makes an appearance, I feel like Frieza would ve very irritated in his presence, change forms only to get completely wiped by Cooler without him putting too much effort. Then he be like: "Next time, can y'all send someone who's actually strong on my way?"
In super dragon ball heroes, he literally just decided to achieve the golden form he didn't even actually train for it, and before you say it's not canon, neither is cooler and it's also never specified how long he trained for it could have been years, months, weeks, hours ,minutes. It's never specified.
He went Gold in Super Dragon Ball Heroes in mere seconds after mentioning Frieza could, same with Metal Cooler. Hypothetical does exist, and already puts him on Frieza lv and beyond if mere seconds was his Golden Awakening.
Tbf, The whole "insane potential" of Frieza only became a thing after Resurrection of F, at the time Cooler was introduced in his movie, it was only stated that Frieza and King Cold were just naturally strong, but Cooler was stronger than them because he trained...
I'd love him to be Canon. I would of taken him into the Canon verse before bringing in fucking Cell Max. When cooler came out in that first movie he was fucking ruthless. Stomped goku so hard into the ground he buried him. I want that cooler back and even stronger.
Meta cooler in Z was one of my favorite movie villains they gotta bring him back , instant transmission , awesome ki moves , and he has regen he’d be OP
Cooler "if my brother can do it so can I!" I'd like the arc for black freezer,the real reason he was training was because cooler was coming. After being tricked by his father and freezer into a traped world. Now he seems revenge
Theyd prob just make him in his base form and change colors like freeza. Super really dropped the ball on him. A alien that can chose any form he wants to look like. And the designer said "hmmmm lets make him gold amd black"
One cooler did train but he achieved by fighting frieza. And 2 if you pay attention to his wording he said frieza did have the upper hand but then it happened. He was telling goku how him and his brother fought but the way he worded where he get his forms for being pushed in the edge.
Toph's parenting style (as awful as it is) does make sense for her. She grew up in a home where every little thing was determined by her parents, not her. She wasn't allowed to make any of her own decisions. Toph hated it and went to the other extreme, not letting what she wants influence her kids' decisions. "If that's your decision and it makes you happy, then fine." She says it while clearly hurt, but she doesn't want her feelings to stop Lin from doing what she says will make her happy.
if DBH is anything to go by, Cooler's potential is likely vastly higher than Frieza's. It wasn't ever implied he trained to get golden cooler, he just saw Frieza do and said "Anything he can do, of course I can do it." Or something along those lines.
Peoples misunderstand Toriyama’s words. In "Ask Akira Toriyama", 2002: [(7) What is Freeza really, I mean, what type of species? How did he get so powerful? Why does he have an army when he can blow up the universe with the blink of an eye? -Joshua Dare, New York There aren’t many of them, but perhaps they are a new hybrid species that came into existence from an accidental spontaneous mutation in our grandfathers’ time. As for Freeza’s men, he doesn’t consider them an “army” so much as convenient followers.] So this means The whole “Frieza race are mutants, not just Frieza and King Cold.
Honestly the power scaling is insane at this point considering Frieza would’ve beaten Goku and Vegeta had he eliminated the stamina issue of his golden form and that’s just with 4 months of training! He went from being one shot by trunks to a form more powerful than Goku and Vegeta in blue. He covered 11 years of power scaling plus a massive power up in 4 months. Now for something to require him to train for a decade is insane and breaks a already broken power scaling system
@@SonZackSSJ2 exactly the fact that two people in a row wished to be the strongest mortal in the universe and the latter got wiped by Frieza almost instantly is insane. One question I have is what’s the average lifespan for his race and would his lifespan be shorter or longer than his non mutant species?
It would be a really cool plot twist to see in the manga in the future black Frieza arc, goku and vegeta fighting black frieza but do to both being so powerful is a equaled match, and when they are tired of fighting all of a sudden they see a spaceship landing, and to their surprise they see a guy looking just like frieza and frieza says he’s his brother and cooler introducing himself saying that all his life he was training unlike his brother and then he transforms into golden, black or whatever color he has and fights goku, vegeta and frieza and they have no other choice but to team up, that would be pretty cool(er)
Actually most of this is factually incorrect, 1.) Cooler is not included in the mutant list because he’s not canon and therefore he is not actually considered apart of the list 2.) Cooler didn’t train for his form, he simply said he attained it, he also has other forms like frieza, it’s easy to argue and more likely that cooler just kinda “matured into it”, which isn’t insane to think abt considering they are known to physically change themselves and change the power level with said form.
I can see Cooler teaming up with the Saiyans for a short period to surpass Frieza, he’s probably gonna betray them at some point but it’s still be cool
Cooler’s whole gimmick when he was first introduced was the fact that he was the OP Frieza’s big brother So if he was ever introduced into the canon he would definitely be on Frieza’s level or stronger
Finally someone who acknowledges that frieza has op growth that cooler just doesn't have, people like making cooler do stuff like get golden in a few months, it would take years for him to get something like that, black would take him a few decades
It’d be awesome that Cooler appears in DBS without any golden/black form but just his final form being stronger than both golden and black form of Frieza and SSJB and on par with Broly’s ki. Like he doesn’t even try but he’s already stronger with a bigger army than Frieza’s and likely a greater threat than him.
I feel like if cooler is canon he’d get the broly treatment where he’s league’s above his canon version in power. They may even retcon his “not a mutant” and make him a mutant like frieza.
Either make Cooler canon, or canonize his form by making it a transformation for frieza. The pallet swap forms got stale for me back when Blue came out, then they went and did it to frieza and piccolo. I could let Gold slide if they stopped there, but going ahead and making another is just goofy. even if Black frieza is a... cooler pallet. I still would rather see new forms that arnt pallet swaps.
Technically yes he could, given enough time and effort and if Frieza slacks on his own a bit. He'd have to train harder than Frieza did to catch up and surpass then at least keep pace with him. Frieza and his family aren't hardcore obsessed with training like the sayajins are though it may end up going that way. And its because they relied so long upon natural strength
Coolers fourth form was getting done in by base Goku. Granted it’s a base Goku that, in that universe was above final form Freeza but his fifth form was by default a less than 50x multiplier seeing as SSJ effortlessly beat up and then deflected His attack. It was a lot less work for Goku in the Japanese sub. Golden Freeza took Freeza from being beaten up (but not completely destroyed) by base Goku to bring stronger than SSJB. A muuuuuuuch higher multiplier. Canon Cooler might not even be ABLE to unlock golden or black seeing as though his forms already took a different turn with much less results; let alone keep up with Freeza.
Honestly Cooler's Golden form should be like 40 times stronger than Frieza's (multiplier wise at least) if we consider his Final, 5th form is approximately 40 times stronger than his base/4th and this could stack together. Then the same with Black Cooler. Even if not, Cooler would still be in a better position towards training than Frieza was anyways, so the amount of time he already would have between his movie time frame and Revival of F could just make him Golden and to part way to Black Cooler already. I don't think his potential would be weak by any means. If we consider Heroes though, he might be more stupid broken than Frieza or something. Or maybe he trained for GOlden there, anyways offscreen? Probably not because Heroes is a free for all, but still.
Plus frieza is more "naturally gifted" since all his power at that moment going further then cooler was just by how much power and potential he had. If he went golden to go black probably gonna take twice as long.
It just sucks that the movie villains are just spectacles and nothing beyond that it’s a real miracle that we even got Broly since toriyama never considered any of the movie villains at all since all that they are or were just retellings of arcs that already happened within the main story just whittled down to a movie timeframe with some filler movies in between too
I think people underestimate coolers capabilities. Frieza has only found forms to make himself weaker. Top contain his power. Cooler has those forms but he also found a form to make himself stronger. Something Frieza hasn't been able to do. Even with frieza's training he's only gone to the equivalent of his races super Saiyan and super Saiyan God that's what I would consider gold and black. Freezes base form can go gold and then black. Cooler has found a way to go beyond the base form and improve hits for base form. And from there when he turns to gold or to Black it will be stronger because he'll be in his fifth form and fries will be in his fourth form.
Unless we’re talking about metal cooler who at base form theoretically no training could give vegata and goku in super sayian form a run for their money at the same time.
By default he surpasses Frieza via his sheer drip
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The longer Toriyama keeps him out of canon, the more powerful he will be when he finally becomes canon
Bro he is canon only the golden form is non canon and he is more stronger than frieza in dbz without traning
I hope toryama will show his appearance to cooler fans
@@Itzadul_bambarbahe is not canon kid don’t spread misinformation
@@Obistopmotions he is canon bro all movies are not non canno n some are canon.toei animation confirsms
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Yes but Burter is still the fastest!
If you ask me, i believe the training he done was to control his power at 100% without suffering the muscular form of Frieza only that he found a way to get more power and inadvertently found himself in the 5th form
If there was ever an explanation for why his full power state looks so different, this would be it my guy🤌🏿💁🏿♂️
@@wolfwing1235th form is above his full power state, like how golden frieza is above his full power state. Full power state is their base form not holding back, all weaker forms were made by the species so they can control their power, so they can just make new forms if they want, frieza specifically said he chose the golden color to show he's a better golden fighter than super saiyans
@@wolfwing123 yes I know, but his full power shouldn't be a bulky form like Frieza, he is the better example, he didn't mastered his full power, that's why he become bulkier when he access to his full power.
Honestly I like Cooler's 5th form FAR more than I do Frieza's Golden/Black form. While Cooler's fifth form was kind of lazy, it wasn't even close to being as lazily done as Frieza's transformations. Frieza's were LITERALLY just fucking palette swaps and nothing more. At the very least Cooler's silhouette changed!
@mrbuttocks6772 how is 5th form lazy. Who let this man cook? Compare to super pretty much every form is just a recolor. Like the saiyan new hair dye and 2nd form cell max another recolor and of course frieza
He would get a great redesign if he was in a super
But hid design is allready perfect
@@Plex274that's just cell
@@flametoxin9026 oh my mistake
@@Plex274No its... Cooler
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I believe Cooler is a mutant like his father and brother but his genes are either latent or potentially repressed on purpose, it's not hard to believe Cooler was born with unstable latent power since he managed to surpass his races physical limits with 5th form
Cooler is a mutant. He isn’t described as one because he doesn’t exist in the canon, therefore he isn’t mentioned in it.
It’s common sense too like if the father and the son are mutants why shouldn’t the bigger son be one too
Think it's just common sense
The remark would extend to freeza's other family too
Not really. He doesnt seem like a mutant, he seems like someone who busts his ass, thats why I like him. In the first movie, he seemed maybe 10-20 percent stronger in his base compared to friezas base (or his final form as people say) and in his "5th" form maybe double that. But thats conpared to a freiza who didnt train. The whole reason he disliked frieza is because frieza was lazy and didnt matser his strength properly, so he just used the forms to restrain his power. Sure, he could be a mutant, but definitely not the same level as frieza. I think the best way to intoduce him into canon is to make him partially bound to the big gete star AND to have trained much more. That way, he stays as someone who doesnt believe in comolacency from the start, doing whatever he can to get stronger, even learning IT (as a foul to goku and a callback to meta cooler) and becoming a cyborg by havubg some body parts replaced with mechanical parts that self regenerate and are very durable, another callback to meta cooler, while keeping his 5th form and potentially giving hin a full metal 5th form, that becomes the "platinum" everyone wants, but isnt just the same as frieza. He could serve as a wildcard villian who is against both the saiyans and frieza, for the same reason of making the frost demons, and him by extension, look like a fool. That way he isnt just *Oh I trained after not doing so for my entire life and got a new form* and stays someone who was never satisfied, learning techniques like instant transmission which you wouldnt expect from a villian character, or training consistientlt without babbling about being born perfect or being born superior.
@@amensbuildingjourneyThen cold father should also be mutants but he isnt mentioned at all,just because they re family doesnt mean they are the same
@@NotVery_Wise oh right demon king piccolo since it's not mentioned is a saiyan
Imagine during the Black Frieza saga once they defeat him they hear a voice laughing from above and there stands Cooler in his 5th form telling them “You should feel honored, I’ve been training my whole life to be the one to kill Frieza. Since he’s dead now you’ll get to see my full power instead” transforming into his Black form on top of his 5th form as darkness envelopes the sky
I’d be interesting to see a flip in dynamic. Cooler’s the younger brother who was born weaker. Trained constantly to surpass Frieza. And has hated him for as long as he can remember
@@TheUncivilizedNation or even better he’s the older brother but wasn’t as strong as Cold or Frieza and was perhaps too tame for Colds liking and when Frieza was born they visit Cooler and Cold let’s them fight it out for who the heir should be and Cooler gets stomped by his little brother who’s a mutant and Cold and Frieza leave him for dead and they head to Planet Vegeta where Cold introduces them to his heir Frieza as seen in the Broly movie. In the meantime Cooler heals up and then begins training to surpass his brother and obtains his 5th form and is ready to end Frieza when he finds out Frieza died on Namek. Intrigued Cooler finds out a Super Saiyan killed Frieza and fearing the power of them he stays away especially after hearing Frieza survived Namek and him and Cold went to Earth for revenge and got killed by another SSJ. Being a lot more cautious after being humiliated by Frieza he would monitor Earth and train to pass these SSJs eventually heading to Earth but stopping once he sees Majin Buu there remembering how his father warned him of Buu and Beerus he would back off again going to train again after seeing they beat Buu. He secludes himself on a planet and trains when he feels an energy that should be dead Frieza in his Golden Form on Earth being beaten again by the Saiyans with Lord Beerus watching. Finally understanding he hasn’t been training hard enough he pushes himself obtaining the Gold form too and stacking it on his 5th form. But he decides no more being left in the dust and trains intensely for a few years on a harsh planet obtaining a Black form which he stacks on his 5th form dubs himself Obsidian Cooler and he feels Black Friezas power fighting the Z fighters arriving seeing a Saiyan with White and Purple hair yelling “Final Kamehameha!” Killing his brother he would begin laughing as he descends on them
@@MasonNoThumbs
That’s probably the best explanation that would fit Cooler into canon. He’s just been training for the past 50 years.
Although I’d like to suggest a change to a few things. Kid Buu went on a killing spree and destroyed entire solar systems. Have Cooler be the sole survivor of Kid Buu’s rampage. Thus instilling a great fear in him. And so he trains for 9 years straight. (That’s the time gap between the Buu Saga and DBS: Super Hero).
This gives Cooler around 50-60 years of training. Distinguishes his character and personality from that of his family. And ultimately makes you respect his power when he shows up. Dragon Ball has so many characters with seemingly undeserved power ups. But Cooler training for decades to be the strongest in the universe gives him a direct parallel to the Saiyans who’ve done the same thing
@@TheUncivilizedNation I like that, it also plays into the fact Cold told him to beware Buu and makes him realize in order to be feared he has to pass these legends his father told him meaning he needs to pass even Beerus or what he imagines Beerus to be
@@MasonNoThumbslol you seem like a low class wheezel, I can help end it for I am Jiggly Puff
What if Cooler turned good reference is wild
Fr but i love the what if a lot 😃
Goku turned evil reference
@@sheevhernandez3869same
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Here’s the thing.
If Cold had two kids but only one successor that means there would have had to be a fight for who would get to be that successor.
It would be an interesting character point if Cooler was the one person Freeza spared. When Freeza was younger he was much nicer a person and it’s only Cold’s abuse that changed him into being what he is today.
My point being. Freeza is around 90 years old maybe much older. That’s over 70 years Cooler has had to train to get stronger
Or it could be Cooler was born a normal member of their race and heir to the throne and then Frieza was born a mutant surpassing his brother and Cold casts Cooler aside in favor of Frieza getting angry Cooler would attack and get easily overwhelmed by Friezas power and a death beam fired into his chest with Frieza and Cold leaving him on the planet assuming he died but he survives and begins training to kill his brother and when he’s finally able to leave the planet he sees Black Frieza fighting the Z fighters and goes to kill them all
@@MasonNoThumbs cooler is the only one that has a 5th form making him a mutant
He trained for it, not have it since the birth@@flix8743
It was confirmed in the databooks that because of the mutation it makes them evil which is why frieza has never once had a rational thought. (Ex. Getting pissed whenever he loses and tries to blows up the planet or play dirt. " if I can't win, no one will" 😂)
He may not be as strong as his brother but he’ll still be Cooler.
i imagine him taking his training seriously while frieza is too cocky and didn’t train
so throughout the events of the franchise, cooler was just training somewhere in the universe
I do think it makes sense for Cooler to be a mutant like his brother and father. The reason why Toriyama says that “these two have abnormal power” is because Cooler was never canon to begin with, so if he was in the main story all along, why wouldn’t he be a mutant character like his biological brother? That wouldn’t make sense in the slightest. So I would definitely say that Cooler would have more potential than Frieza, and seeing how OP Black Frieza is, imagine a Black Cooler form? The possibilities are endless 😭
Cooler and Frieza having a arc would be super interesting.
I have an idea how they could make Cooler canon: he was locked in the room of time all his life where he trained, and he is the one who trained frieza and helped him get his golden form. But after learning that his brother has been defeated again in his black form, he decides to go and defeat the Sayans with his own hands.
And also what I had as an idea is how to make a cooler "cooler" is that he doesn't have to transform into gold or black form to be stronger than black frieza. He only needs his fifth form because he is simply cooler that frieza.
I think he would be able to surpass because his potential might grow from the jump as he trains and gets stronger and he could be more focused on it maybe Frieza will surpass at times but Cooler might be able to find ways to bridge the gap and be on top again.
Statements about the amount of mutants in the “Frieza Race” (canon name of the species btw) shouldn’t be applied to Cooler because he isn’t canon, he is a mutant like Frieza and their Father, it makes literally no sense otherwise, and also Cooler existed LONG before Gold and Black Frieza were even possibly an idea Toriyama had (maybe something like Golden Frieza, but definitely not Black), if Gold and even Black Frieza were a thing back then, Cooler likely would have had those forms and been stronger than Frieza, unfortunately unlike Broly, Cooler didn’t stick as well, particularly in Japan, which is the only demographic Shueisha and Toei actually care about (that’s also why we rarely get any big Dragon Ball stuff btw, it’s not as popular in Japan, which is a dumb reason but whatever), so we probably won’t see any Cooler content unless we get REALLY lucky
What if Yamacha and Yajoribi trained in time chamber during Saiyan saga
That will be very interesting
@@xyamcha977yeah i bet it will be mr yamcha
@@Fentlover1 mhm
He would if he used the Hyperbolic Time Chamber like Frieza did. Plus, we know he’s gonna progress faster than he should due to his sheer force of will.
Not really. Vegeta trains with sheer force of will yet he's always a step behind Goku
@@siei3i37 That's because Goku is a more intuitive and better martial artist despite Vegeta being slightly stronger in terms of raw power.
Goku's Skill > Vegeta's Power
Not sure where this “Cooler isn’t a mutant” came from seeing as you do it everytime he’s in a story, but bro achieved golden in SDBH just after hearing Frieza could do it and bros not canon so who’s to say Toriyama was even considering him in that quote
I don't care what anyone says, if Cooler ever becomes cannon and makes an appearance, I feel like Frieza would ve very irritated in his presence, change forms only to get completely wiped by Cooler without him putting too much effort. Then he be like: "Next time, can y'all send someone who's actually strong on my way?"
In super dragon ball heroes, he literally just decided to achieve the golden form he didn't even actually train for it, and before you say it's not canon, neither is cooler and it's also never specified how long he trained for it could have been years, months, weeks, hours ,minutes. It's never specified.
I mean, that Cooler come from another timeline so he could have did anything and Fu decide to take him for his golden form
@@hatsusama3296 I'm pretty sure he literally just made it on the spot
@@hatsusama3296 He literally said "If Freeza can do it, I can do it better!" when he learned about Golden Freeza and turned gold for the first time.
@@TheBoiMyers That was just his introduction i don't think It confirm anything
Ik about platinum cooler and i like how you made that reference
Goku should’ve asked Cooler to participate in the Universe Survival Tournament. Imagine how cool that would’ve been..
Cooler would be the dick and knock Frieza off "Little shit brother" 😂 besides as Frieza says "He's a prick" lol
While It would be cool he would be significantly weaker than freiza because he wouldn't have the ability to go golden
He went Gold in Super Dragon Ball Heroes in mere seconds after mentioning Frieza could, same with Metal Cooler. Hypothetical does exist, and already puts him on Frieza lv and beyond if mere seconds was his Golden Awakening.
Just tell him "Frieza did it" and he'd find a form stronger than Friezas black form 😂
Cooler isn't included in the "these two are mutants" sentence because cooler doesn't exist. This doesn't mean cooler isn't a mutant at all.
Underworld tournament here we go!!
Incorrect. King Cold and his CHILDREN are mutants. Aka Cooler too.
Could Cooler surpass Frieza? Yeah, if the writers wanted him to. Yamcha could surpass Frieza if the writers wanted him to.
Frieza can’t combat against coolers pure drip, imo, especially compared to some characters, he has one of the best designs.
Tbf, The whole "insane potential" of Frieza only became a thing after Resurrection of F, at the time Cooler was introduced in his movie, it was only stated that Frieza and King Cold were just naturally strong, but Cooler was stronger than them because he trained...
I'd love him to be Canon. I would of taken him into the Canon verse before bringing in fucking Cell Max. When cooler came out in that first movie he was fucking ruthless. Stomped goku so hard into the ground he buried him. I want that cooler back and even stronger.
Meta cooler in Z was one of my favorite movie villains they gotta bring him back , instant transmission , awesome ki moves , and he has regen he’d be OP
Cooler visiting Master Roshi: Hear me out
They did him bogus
Cooler is the Cooler one and the cooler one
why did I know this was one of your shorts, like just seeing the preview, the glowing cooler made me think. "This is a Salad Saiyan short isn't it."
Cooler "if my brother can do it so can I!" I'd like the arc for black freezer,the real reason he was training was because cooler was coming. After being tricked by his father and freezer into a traped world. Now he seems revenge
Theyd prob just make him in his base form and change colors like freeza. Super really dropped the ball on him. A alien that can chose any form he wants to look like. And the designer said "hmmmm lets make him gold amd black"
One cooler did train but he achieved by fighting frieza. And 2 if you pay attention to his wording he said frieza did have the upper hand but then it happened. He was telling goku how him and his brother fought but the way he worded where he get his forms for being pushed in the edge.
Toph's parenting style (as awful as it is) does make sense for her. She grew up in a home where every little thing was determined by her parents, not her. She wasn't allowed to make any of her own decisions. Toph hated it and went to the other extreme, not letting what she wants influence her kids' decisions. "If that's your decision and it makes you happy, then fine." She says it while clearly hurt, but she doesn't want her feelings to stop Lin from doing what she says will make her happy.
if DBH is anything to go by, Cooler's potential is likely vastly higher than Frieza's. It wasn't ever implied he trained to get golden cooler, he just saw Frieza do and said "Anything he can do, of course I can do it." Or something along those lines.
Peoples misunderstand Toriyama’s words.
In "Ask Akira Toriyama", 2002:
[(7) What is Freeza really, I mean, what type of species? How did he get so powerful? Why does he have an army when he can blow up the universe with the blink of an eye? -Joshua Dare, New York
There aren’t many of them, but perhaps they are a new hybrid species that came into existence from an accidental spontaneous mutation in our grandfathers’ time. As for Freeza’s men, he doesn’t consider them an “army” so much as convenient followers.]
So this means The whole “Frieza race are mutants, not just Frieza and King Cold.
Honestly the power scaling is insane at this point considering Frieza would’ve beaten Goku and Vegeta had he eliminated the stamina issue of his golden form and that’s just with 4 months of training! He went from being one shot by trunks to a form more powerful than Goku and Vegeta in blue. He covered 11 years of power scaling plus a massive power up in 4 months. Now for something to require him to train for a decade is insane and breaks a already broken power scaling system
@@SonZackSSJ2 exactly the fact that two people in a row wished to be the strongest mortal in the universe and the latter got wiped by Frieza almost instantly is insane. One question I have is what’s the average lifespan for his race and would his lifespan be shorter or longer than his non mutant species?
It's called bad plot + recycling old enemies
It would be a really cool plot twist to see in the manga in the future black Frieza arc, goku and vegeta fighting black frieza but do to both being so powerful is a equaled match, and when they are tired of fighting all of a sudden they see a spaceship landing, and to their surprise they see a guy looking just like frieza and frieza says he’s his brother and cooler introducing himself saying that all his life he was training unlike his brother and then he transforms into golden, black or whatever color he has and fights goku, vegeta and frieza and they have no other choice but to team up, that would be pretty cool(er)
Actually most of this is factually incorrect, 1.) Cooler is not included in the mutant list because he’s not canon and therefore he is not actually considered apart of the list
2.) Cooler didn’t train for his form, he simply said he attained it, he also has other forms like frieza, it’s easy to argue and more likely that cooler just kinda “matured into it”, which isn’t insane to think abt considering they are known to physically change themselves and change the power level with said form.
True. Cooler doesn't have the type of Potential Frieza has. And yeah he also did train for some of his life.
i cant be the only one that got that platinum reference from his "what if cooler turned good" video
I can see Cooler teaming up with the Saiyans for a short period to surpass Frieza, he’s probably gonna betray them at some point but it’s still be cool
Let’s say hypothetically, cooler trained as soon as he was born.
i mean he instantly got golden form just cuz freiza had it so ig hes got some super talent to just get new forms? idk
Cooler’s whole gimmick when he was first introduced was the fact that he was the OP Frieza’s big brother
So if he was ever introduced into the canon he would definitely be on Frieza’s level or stronger
Cooler had the best soundtrack from the movie.
Finally someone who acknowledges that frieza has op growth that cooler just doesn't have, people like making cooler do stuff like get golden in a few months, it would take years for him to get something like that, black would take him a few decades
Frieza might be stronger,but we all know that pump daddy c has the ultimate drip
Netherite(no enchantments)vs
Diamond (all enchantments are V or IV)
Technically he has a Golden Form in Heroes...soo....probably if yall wanna count that lol
If cooler was canon the dragon ball world would be easily my favorite franchise/series rn
It’d be awesome that Cooler appears in DBS without any golden/black form but just his final form being stronger than both golden and black form of Frieza and SSJB and on par with Broly’s ki. Like he doesn’t even try but he’s already stronger with a bigger army than Frieza’s and likely a greater threat than him.
seeing a black form cooler with the red eyes would be clean
Cooler went gold real quick out of spite against freiza
I feel like if cooler is canon he’d get the broly treatment where he’s league’s above his canon version in power. They may even retcon his “not a mutant” and make him a mutant like frieza.
God i would love to see Cooler in the dragon ball super style, it'd just be cool to see what they'd do with him considering how they changed broly
Can't help but wonder in that time chamber, what if Freeza had a training partner a lot like him....
i think they’ll make metal cooler again with infinite clones imagine a infinite army of super saiyan lvl threats
Yoooooo platinum black cooler looks fire as fuck!!!!!
Idk what i want more ss4 or Cooler. Literally the only things i want cannon.
Actually, since Cooler is King Cold's son, he should, just like Freeza, have those mutant genes
Do you guys know that that cooler access golden just by knowing frieza had the form? It was dbh but still it's worth a mention
Yep, so basically he can access black form too and probably be stronger than frieza.
@@frozennoodles1728 his potential is better than frieza in a different way.
@@sleepy4488 exactly! Finally someone gets it.
@@sleepy4488finally someone with a brain im glad im not the only one that thinks cooler has bigger potential then frieza
All ima say is this when/if cooler does become canon he'll be the strongest in the manga/anime upon introduction at least among the main cast
I kinda hope the next movie we get isn't linked to any Z character like the last three have been with Broly, Frieza and cell max
Nope
Smile
Like you've got nothing to prove
No matter what you might do
There's always someone out there
Cooler than you
He would probably have his movie design the new “strongest form” if they threw him into canon. Like they did with Broly
Mix platinum & black now that's an intimidating color pallet
Yes the real ones do know
Either make Cooler canon, or canonize his form by making it a transformation for frieza. The pallet swap forms got stale for me back when Blue came out, then they went and did it to frieza and piccolo. I could let Gold slide if they stopped there, but going ahead and making another is just goofy. even if Black frieza is a... cooler pallet. I still would rather see new forms that arnt pallet swaps.
Technically yes he could, given enough time and effort and if Frieza slacks on his own a bit. He'd have to train harder than Frieza did to catch up and surpass then at least keep pace with him.
Frieza and his family aren't hardcore obsessed with training like the sayajins are though it may end up going that way. And its because they relied so long upon natural strength
Coolers fourth form was getting done in by base Goku. Granted it’s a base Goku that, in that universe was above final form Freeza but his fifth form was by default a less than 50x multiplier seeing as SSJ effortlessly beat up and then deflected His attack. It was a lot less work for Goku in the Japanese sub.
Golden Freeza took Freeza from being beaten up (but not completely destroyed) by base Goku to bring stronger than SSJB. A muuuuuuuch higher multiplier. Canon Cooler might not even be ABLE to unlock golden or black seeing as though his forms already took a different turn with much less results; let alone keep up with Freeza.
I’d love to see cannon cooler or even a reference making him cannon
Cooler goes platinum if he’s canon. That be cool (pun not intended)
he only needs to do is get to equal freezas power and then he combines his fifth form with his highest transformation
where did u get that photo of Cooler in black form?
Honestly Cooler's Golden form should be like 40 times stronger than Frieza's (multiplier wise at least) if we consider his Final, 5th form is approximately 40 times stronger than his base/4th and this could stack together. Then the same with Black Cooler. Even if not, Cooler would still be in a better position towards training than Frieza was anyways, so the amount of time he already would have between his movie time frame and Revival of F could just make him Golden and to part way to Black Cooler already. I don't think his potential would be weak by any means. If we consider Heroes though, he might be more stupid broken than Frieza or something. Or maybe he trained for GOlden there, anyways offscreen? Probably not because Heroes is a free for all, but still.
Cooler's training was for an evolution of his BASE form. If he stacked golden and black on top of those he would win
Black Cooler + Black Frieza Fusion = Black Refrigerator
(Real ones know)
I really hope he becomes canon
*Frieza getting his own unique transformation*
Cooler fans: omg cooler is so strong in this new form
I mean he could if they brought him in
I still waiting for the day they make Cooler canon like Broly!
They’re not mutants. They’re Frost Demons…
Plus frieza is more "naturally gifted" since all his power at that moment going further then cooler was just by how much power and potential he had.
If he went golden to go black probably gonna take twice as long.
It just sucks that the movie villains are just spectacles and nothing beyond that it’s a real miracle that we even got Broly since toriyama never considered any of the movie villains at all since all that they are or were just retellings of arcs that already happened within the main story just whittled down to a movie timeframe with some filler movies in between too
Well to be fair he would probably still encounter the big getti star. Which would probably give him a pretty decent power boost.
Cooler would at least be, well, cooler. Hopefully his new forms would be more than just color changes, at least.
frieza trained to he wouldn't have his forms if he didn't
But you forgot he’s OLDER
I think people underestimate coolers capabilities. Frieza has only found forms to make himself weaker. Top contain his power. Cooler has those forms but he also found a form to make himself stronger. Something Frieza hasn't been able to do. Even with frieza's training he's only gone to the equivalent of his races super Saiyan and super Saiyan God that's what I would consider gold and black. Freezes base form can go gold and then black. Cooler has found a way to go beyond the base form and improve hits for base form. And from there when he turns to gold or to Black it will be stronger because he'll be in his fifth form and fries will be in his fourth form.
Feel like Toriyama will just make him be as strong or stronger than the main cast with just his final form, but idk, that’s what I think.
Unless we’re talking about metal cooler who at base form theoretically no training could give vegata and goku in super sayian form a run for their money at the same time.