Yes, Lothlorien was south of Mirkwood Forest, though most of the Elves in both realms are Wood-elves. Galadriel is Elrond's mother-in-law (and Arwen's grandmother).The Green Elves were a different group that do not appear in either The Lord of the Rings or The Hobbit.
Right?! lol. Of course at that time Bilbo had no idea exactly what ring it was. Gandalf didn't even know. If I recall the lore right, the One Ring wasn't the only one of the magic rings (and there were many made outside of the "big" 16 that went to elves, dwarves and men) that could make you go invisible. For a very long time, Gandalf assumed Bilbo had found one of the lesser rings and it wasn't until the party at Bag End 80 years later that he really began to suspect it might be the one ring, especially when he saw that Bilbo hadn't aged.
Sauron didn't have enough power to go to war at this point in time - he was pretending to be the Necromancer, slowly gathering orcs and other horrible things, getting the Ringwraiths out of their tombs, etc. Without the Ring, he was a pale shadow of his original power - but slowly getting stronger. And the Ring reacts to Sauron's recovery - they feed off each other, the Ring getting stronger as Sauron gets stronger. That's why the Ring leaves Gollum to hang out with Bilbo - Gollum never leaves the mountains, so the Ring isn't getting any closer to "home". And as the Ring starts to move, Sauron gets stronger - and can contest Gandalf. The Rings for the Dwarves didn't give Sauron power over them, but it did make them xenophobic greedy isolationists - some it drove mad, some it made insanely greedy. The greed drew things - the Balrog in Moria, Smaug to Erebor. And personally *I* believe that Gandalf got involved with sending the Dwarves back to Erebor so that Smaug would be killed...because he feared Sauron would have a fire-breathing air force in the coming great war otherwise.
@@oskarobit my god, why so negative?? I get it, the films could've been so much better blah blah, but can we not act like they are "the worst"? Take a look at a lot of recent films and be so fr
@@irenarenci negative? Ironic perhaps. I've watched all three. Do I enjoyed? Yes I did. But please, don't put in the title "The Hobbit"... Comparing the length of the book with the movies, these ones are barely a 10% of the book and a 90% ?IDK-how-to-say-it-politely'.
@@oskarobit they are based on the book. much like lord of the rings, they're an interpretation with their own characteristic. movies are way different than books. the director decides what parts are changed and added. and what gets left out. btw all 6 are still one of the most "true to the book" films ever. if you look at any other fantasy movie that's based on a book, you'll see that they mostly just keep the names of the characters. even in harry potter there are many many changes.
@@997ET "based on the book" is not a licence to make a space opera about "Scarlett, a young woman from a wealthy family and her BBF Mammy, embark on a journey across the galaxy in search of the best colton seeds for her entrepreneurial business on a lunar colony on Jupiter. But their eternal enemy Dr. Butler awaits them with an army of space wolves...". And then the director writes on the screen "based on Gone with the Wind". Get it? Have you ever read a title on the cover of a Tolkien book and that's it?
Prof Tolkien didn't get far when he went to retrofit The Hobbit to bring it in line with LotR. In The Hobbit, the elven king of the Woodland Realm in Mirkwood is not named. In Fellowship we learn that Legolas is the prince, and son of King Thranduil, who rules the Woodland Realm in Mirkwood. They are Sindarin elves who rule a kingdom populated by mostly Silvan elves. That's info from elsewhere in the lengendarium. In Lothlorien at this point in the Third Age, the Lady Galadriel (a Noldorin princess) and Lord Celeborn (either a Sindarin or Teleri prince, depending on the version) rule a largely Silvan elvish population.
"The dragon talks?" Yes, indeed. In Tolkien's legendarium dragons can indeed talk. It is "dragonspeak' meaning they have the ability to mix truth and lies to mislead and bewilder the listener. See how Smaugh mixes truth and suspicion to try and make Bilbo doubt his Dwarf friends. This is something Tolkien picked from old Norse and Germanic tales of dragons. Gaurang, the first dragon in Tolkien's works, uses this to devastating effectiveness.
and because of this it is never wise to reveal your real name, and also never wise to risk the dragon's anger by lying. Bilbo spoke of himself in riddles because he was well-read enough to know this. No dragon can resist the temptation of riddles, and of wasting time trying to understand them.
@@carsonelliott6522a perfect encapsulation of their pride and ego not just thinking themselves stronger than all other races but also the most cunning and clever. A dragon that can’t talk misses the whole point they’re a physical representation of arrogance they are evil not just a dangerous animal
I think you are right that there's "something off" with Legolas and it's a bit jarring how different he is than the one from LOTR. It's worth bearing in mind that Legolas isn't in the Hobbit novel; this is him being brought back in by Peter Jackson for the film only. 1. 10 years have passed from Return of the King (2003) in real life until this film was released in 2013. Naturally, therefore, Orlando Blood no longer has the waifish half-boy frame he did at the age of 19 when he first started playing Legolas. He's heavier, more muscled as one would expect from someone by then in his mid-thirties. You have this odd situation where Lee Pace, who plays Legolas' father Thranduil, is actually a couple of years younger than the actor playing his son! 2. They definitely had a continuity issue with his eyes. Apparently in the original LOTR films, Orlando had real problems with the contact lenses required to make his eyes blue - he had some kind of painful reaction to them. At the time, there wasn't a good way to convincingly make the change digitally, so Peter Jackson left Legolas with Orlando's natural dark brown eyes. Now in the Hobbit films, Legolas suddenly has these steely blue eyes, and the difference is noticeable and a bit jarring. Personally, I would have kept his eyes brown to avoid this issue. 3. For some reason, either Peter Jackson or Orlando (or both) really seemed to want Legolas in the Hobbit to be more "macho" and with something of an attitude. He's much more physical with his fighting style, more brawling. Yes, he can still do the lightning-fast moves and almost balletic stuff, but it's noticeable just how much more like a Man (a la Aragorn) Legolas fights in the Hobbit rather than his Elvish self in LOTR. It seems like a very deliberate choice, almost as if they tired of Legolas just being a great archer with super-fast reflexes; they wanted him to be "badass tough" as well. The end result to me is an odd feeling of Legolas in the Hobbit being something of an "imposter", someone trying to cosplay Legolas but not quite getting it right, and it's off-putting. Don't get me wrong: the way Orlando played Legolas in the Hobbit moves is a perfectly valid way to portray *another* Elf warrior, but it's so different to how Orlando plays him in LOTR that it seems like a totally different person. It might have worked had the story of the Hobbit have been later than LOTR, as you could say that Legolas' experiences of fighting in the War of the Ring hardened him and made him sterner and more ruthless; however, with the Hobbit being the kind of prequel, it doesn't quite work to see how edgy and dangerous Legolas is here and then to see him "regress" to a sweeter, more boyish personality that he is in LOTR. I personally would have preferred Legolas to have not been in these films for the above reasons.
I definitely agree with Legolas’ portrayal being off, however in my headcanon I think his “regression” or being more open minded and not driven by this rage stems from what happens in the ending of the 3rd film, where he loses that part of himself. Still kind of weird, but made more sense in my head that way
My only comment because the first two points are understandable since it's age and a simple contacts being irritable/costume hiccup (a lot of time passed it's not an unforgivable blunder to me for eyes to change, esp when you have big white orcs and talking spiders. It's easy or me to suspend the disbelief and just put my own magic spin on why his eyes went from blue in Mirkwood to brown in lotr.) But with the fighting style, he's prince of MIRKWOOD. You've seen his father and you've seen those woods - they're constantly defending the woods. His aggressive fighting is needed in Mirkwood, it's not an easy place to live and the elves there are said to be rougher than their kin. So to me seeing him as a younger elf who's bulkier and fighting harsher makes sense. It actually feels like on his journey to later find Aragorn would be the time he slimmed down and changed due to how less harsh the world beyond is. (For an elf like Legolas anyway who had Z E R O issue climbing and taking out a massive war elephant all by himself, it's not hard to imagine he'd learn he can be more at ease.) Think of it like he's in survival mode then he walks out to.... well. Easy land. His biggest threat on the road seems to just be mercs and bandits, and Legolas can handle those easily. To me the journey getting there would also give him his own sense of personality beyond Prince, so he also grows out of his harsh For-My-Dad-And-People mentality and slowly comes into the Legolas we know by the time of LOTR. His time with Aragorn changed him. Seeing him in this movie actually made perfect sense for his origin to me.
The question "where were all the dwarves of erebor, elves of mirkwood, and men of laketown during LOTR and why were they not helping" in the books has the answer, that they were also fighting against Sauron in their own kingdoms. Sauron did not only attack the men of Rohan and Gondor, he also sent forces that attacked dwarf and elf kingdoms. But these groups did send representatives to the Council of Elrond (Legolas, the elf-king's son, and Gimli the son of Gloin who is in The Hobbit). And so, these groups ended up havign representatives in the Fellowship of the Ring as well. This is not stuff that was cut for the movies, really, it's from the Appendices to the books and not fleshed out to the same degree as the stuff in the main text that involves members of the Fellowship. Its more Tolkien just telling us this extra stuff at the end of the story in case we were wondering.
Sauron did help create the rings to use as a control. It didn't work on the elves because they made their own rings without his influence. It didn't work on the dwarves because they are too stubborn to be controlled, but the levels of greed it brought to them brought on their own demise (waking the balrog, attracting dragons with their great hordes of wealth, etc.), so it really only worked on men.
Oh, elves can get drunk. One can surmise that the drinking contest in Return of the King was Legolas using stereotypes about elves to goad Gimli, when in fact he's just a very experienced drinker.
I love watching you watching these. Knowing what's coming next and seeing your reactions is priceless. It's like watching them again for the first time and even though I've seen them several times you pick up on things I didn't necessarily think of. Can't wait till you cover The Battle of the five armies .
High-fantasy dragons are often extremely intelligent and long lived creatures with some magical abilities. This would certainly feed into Smaug's superiority complex
The way Bombur moves in these films just convinces me that he is in fact a helium balloon. Also, you 1000%, absolutely HAVE to watch Benedict Cumberbatch's mocap for this film. It honestly is a master class in acting
Tolkien describes in his books that the elves are able to live together with the forces that move the world in such a way that they do not dominate these forces but cooperate with them. This is why Legolas is able to walk on snow while the others are waist-deep in snow. Tolkien also describes that Frodo calculated that they had spent 3 days in Rivendell, but as they left the magical territory of the elves, he realized that in his world a lunar cycle, or 1 month, had passed. All elves are like this, airy, magical, excellent warriors, but they are more organized for protection.
Bilbo is one of my all time favorite characters. He is one of the most respected people in all of middle earth among the wise. In the book while they were at the council of elrond deciding who would take the ring Bilbo stepped up and said he would take it. Boromir wasn't aware of who bilbo was and what he already had accomplished so he started laughing. He quickly realized that all the most powerful and influential people in middle earth were taking bilbos suggestion very seriously. In the book he's like who da fuck is this guy and what did he do to be so respected by the most powerful beings alive in middle earth?!?!
Thranduil is not lady Galadriels husband haha :D His domain is Mirkwood while Galadriel and her husband rule Lothlórien. Thranduil lost his wife in battle long ago and is also why he seeks the jewels they talked about, they belonged to her and he wants something of her back as he misses her deeply. Not realising he has something more of her this whole time - Legolas. Galadriels husband is named Celeborn :)
Gollum never had the ring when he met Shelob. He only left his caves after Bilbo took the ring. He finally abandoned the cave to go on a decades-long search for Bilbo. That’s when he learned his way around pathways to Mordor and encountered Shelob, and got captured by Sauron.
(1996) DragonHeart is the first time I heard an seen a dragon talk in a story when I was rather young and it scrambled my head. Because i thought they were just flying, fire breathing monsters until then
The movie that traumatized me as kid, I've never cried so hard because of movies 😅. As an adult i still have tears every time i watch it or hear soundtrack. One of the best story ever.
Just wanted to say I've watched all your lord of the rings/the hobbit videos, and they've been such a joy! I've watched all the movies and read the books countless times, and it's just really fun to see someone new to the world reacting with such positivity and enjoyment. People who have read all the books and then gone and watched the movies can sometimes be a bit negative with their response to the movies, particularly the hobbit movies, just because of the inevitable changes that are going to come with any adaptation. (And also because of the huge tonal shift between lotr and the hobbit, along with the hobbit movies being a bit drawn out). But watching you really enjoy these movies and pick up more and more details about middle earth is a reminder of how much joy and meaning these stories really have. Can't wait for the next video!!
"Does he look like Joe Jonas or is it just me?" Hahaha that just painted the funniest scene in my head. *Kili starts singing in his cell* "You'rE thE vOice that sinGs InsIdE mY heAd, the reAsoN that I'm sInGinG" Gloin: Aaw no here he goes! Bifur: Please shut him up!! Oin: Just no laddie!" Balin: I'd rather take the dragon.
The waitress at the Prancing Pony is played by Peter Jackson's daughter Katie, who played one of the small kids listening to Bilbo's troll story in the Fellowship of the Ring!. She is in all 6 of the movies (extended versions) and Jackson's King Kong.
I believe, Shelob the spider had the ability to talk, as her mother did. Pretty sure the Mirkwood lot are her offspring unless I’m mistaken. She doesn’t talk in the books, however she is thought to have communicated with Gollum to plan the demise of Frodo and Sam. So I think it is common belief she can speak and just chose not to whilst hunting. I had to do some research myself because I had a false memory of her talking at the end of the two towers book for some reason lmao. Edit: also I think they changed the contacts for Legolas to make him seem more silver elf like his father for these movies. I definitely preferred the darker blueish colour, he looks sharper/harsher these movies. Less kind.
Yes, the spiders do fully speak and I also think Shelob did (even if it isn’t confirmed, it makes sense) since these were descendants of her and she was an offspring of Ungoliant, however many animals generally speak in Tolkien’s universe, like the bird that tells Bard of the Dragon’s weakness or the crows that send message to Dain Ironfoot
“These are my boys! 221B Baker Street!” I feel like I’d be friends with KP in real life 🥰 I love his love for Martin Freeman and how quickly he recognized Benedict Cumberbatch! And, of course, his love for Middle Earth and these LOTR/Hobbit series ❤
As far as gollum and shelob, gollum never had the ring when he met her, he met her while he was looking for bilbo and the ring, shortly before he was captured by sauron.
The Arkenstone isn't a thing of evil like the Ring, but Tolkien does have a recurring theme that people should not focus their love on Things. It's not the Creation that should attract us, instead we should always focus on the Creator. But people fall short and they love rings, and jewels and gold. Hobbits seem more grounded in these matters. And I would say that Gandalf and Aragorn have great strength because they focus on Faith and Hope more than anything else.
Also the greed for the Arkenstone could’ve started by the corruption of one of the Rings of Power Thorin’s family had and because of Dragon Sickness after it had been sitting on Smaug’s horde for many many years when they returned to Erebor
Regarding the relationship between Smaug and Sauron: Sauron was essentially the right-hand man of the true dark lord in the distant past, named Morgoth (As in, Legolas' line "a Balrog of Morgoth" when stating to Galadriel's husband why Gandalf was not in Lothlorien with the Fellowship) Simply put, dragons were creatures created by Morgoth. So Sauron presumably saw in them potential for alliance or more likely subjugation, with his heirship to Morgoth being a claim to his dominion over them, if I had to guess. That's easier said than done, though. Hence, the existence of a line of dragons of the north being an independent threat for years, which Thranduil the elvenking referenced in this movie. The North is an infrequently explored expansive wasteland of cold and crags of ice and rock.
You should find somewhere the behind the scenes footage with Cumberbatch doing mocap and voice for Smaug, and hear him talk about the part. Priceless! As for the Hobbit movies, they did not come together the way the LOTRs--I put this down to the circumstances of their creation. But Jackson added content that only he could have done with his access to LOTR actors like Galadriel and Saruman. While Gandalf's side quest definitely happened, it is not shown in the Hobbit but briefly alluded to in other content. As for Legolas, he first appears in LOTR but Mirkwood is his home and it would be weird for him not to be there.
Im dramatic, too, bc when I saw this notification, I was like, FINALLY!!! 😂😂😂😂 Its been 80 years 😂😂😂😂 Bolg is actually Azog's son. That's why they look like brothers. This is a different forest from where Galadriel is and that is not her husband. This is Thrandruil and her husband is Celeborn. Tauriel is a made up character that's why she wasn't in LOTR
There is no remnant of Sauron in the other rings. But he wants them back under his control so that he can use them again. Something mentioned in the book LOTR, is Sauron had sent a messenger to Gimli’s people offering them a Dwarf ring if they’d help him find Bilbo. The Dwarf rings never worked as Sauron intended because Dwarves are too indomitable, but no doubt Sauron would try again if he could. Actually 3 or 4 of the Dwarf rings had been consumed by dragons, but there were a few still around like Thrain’s, and Sauron would be pleased to have them back.
Sauron sent a messenger to Smaug at some point and asked for an alliance. That's the connection. Where it goes from here? You will see... Oh yes, you will see.
18:13 mark - You are mistaken. The Elvenking, Thranduil, was not married to Galadriel. She is not Legolas' mother. King Thranduil rules over Mirkwood. Galadriel & her husband, Lord Celeborn, reside & rule in Lothlorien while Lord Elrond rules in Rivendell. Keep in mind that the events in The Hobbit occur about 60 years prior to Lord of the Rings. While we do see a few familiar places such as The Shire, Bree, & Rivendell, Bilbo's adventure takes us to other parts of Middle Earth rather than where Frodo & company travel to. You can find detailed and interactive maps online which shows all the key locations in both film series (& in the novels). Side note: I don't know if you made the connection but the older silver haired dwarf, Balin, is the one who ended up becoming Lord of Moria. It was his tomb that his cousin, Gimli, cried over when The Fellowship went into Moria years later...
I used to not mind but after reading people’s comments that know the books and watching in depth videos throughout the years, I’ve grown to greatly dislike that they created a love story…triangle…with Legolas and a made up elf and a Dwarf. You could always tell how so out of place it is and the words they speak just is a bit cringe. Apart from that, I really love these movies almost much as LOTR even the extra characters and action, in the books or not. They did Orlando dirty with the CGI. He’s a gorgeous man and still looks very young, it wasn’t necessary.
14:28 This is actually because Sauron can only sense when someone uses the ring in two places, Amon Hen (where Boromir died) and Mordor. The movies ignore this because there were major time jumps in the LOTR saga
I simply love your reactions! I checked multiple times per day for the new video during the last weeks and got so excited when I finally saw it today 😭🥹 And I definitely waited for that reaction to Legolas😅
When you realise that Smaug and he is a great character is the size of a boeing 737 jet with added tail you truly get an idea of how big a dragon and Smaug can be. Smaug wasn't even the biggest dragon in Middle Earth either.
The only need in doing this trilogy was the Peter Jackson's wallet... The Hobbit, the book, can be put in a movie of one and a half hours. Not to mention all the "artistic liberties" he took. Like where are the luxuriant beards of the dwarf women? Why a small book elongates to infinite in 3 infinite movies?
Bolg is the son of Azog (who did not survive the Battle of Azanulbizar in Tolkien's legendarium. Instead of being wounded by Thorin, Azog was slain by Dain). The Dorwinion wine that the Elvenking likes so much is very potent, like a fortified wine. That's why it can get the Elves drunk! Sauron reclaimed the surviving Dwarf-rings so he could use them to try to bribe the Dwarves into dropping the dime on Bilbo. This is a detail that got left out of the films.
I love your enthusiasm!! Legolas's contacts are actually the same as in LOTR but in the first trilogy, Orlando forgot to wear them in a lot of scenes LOL
When JRRT was a kid he and his friends used to try to scare each other with spiders. Also, the ones in Mirkwood are the children of Shelob (the big on in LotR).
Fun fact about the scene where it seems that Thranduil (the elven king) can see Bilbo with the ring, even though he can’t other elves can. I believe it is stated that Elves who saw the “Light of the Trees”, which were these magical pair of Trees that illuminated the world before there was a Sun or Moon (created by the God of this mythos), could exist in both the seen and unseen world at the same time. The unseen world is that realm where Frodo and Bilbo go/see when they put on the ring, it’s where the Nazgûl’s bodies look like their wraith forms. This is important because they can actually see and interact with those in this realm, meaning they could see someone with the One Ring on. An example of this in the books is when this very powerful elf named Glorfindel saves Frodo after he is stabbed by the Morgul Blade and as Frodo is slowly becoming a wraith he sees Glorfindel as a being of incredible light (how his form appears in the unseen world)
I love these reactions so much!!!! I hope when you finish the third hobbit you’ll give Rings of Power a try! It gets a lot of undeserved hate just like the hobbit movies, but as a lifelong fan of the books and movies - I think you’d love it! Nothing beats spending more time in middle earth - and season 2 is starting at the end of august so it’s perfect timing!
The Arkenstone may have its origin with the original two lamps of Illuin and Ormal created by Aule, being a fragment from one of those lamps. After they were destroyed by Melkor, who was later to be named Morgoth by the Noldor Elves. According to Tolkein, the destruction of the two lamps "that the lands were broken and new seas arose; the shape of Arda and the symmetry of its waters and its lands were marred so that the first designs of the Valar were never after restored."
In the books the ring isn't like a straight up homing beacon for Sauron and the Riders like it is in the movies. It's more subtle. Sauron was very weak at the time, and the wraiths can't necessarily tell you put it on, but they can see you when you wear it because you enter the unseen world, and they live on the edge between the two worlds.
The best movie in the Hobbit trilogy, so much fun! The fight choreography is so cool, I love how dynamic the combat is with the elves. I'm gonna be sad when it ends, again, but I'll look forward to the next reaction in the coming weeks!
"Thranduil" is perfectly matched, you can watch the camera lick Lee Pace for an hour on a full screen in 4k resolution. The dwarves in The Hobbit are assholes. I still don't understand why it was impossible to negotiate with the dragon. He would just sleep at the bottom of the treasury - they would fill him with gold and grub (the dwarves had a lot of both). And he slept without touching anyone, and if anything, he could help with security. Legolas, of course, is godlessly young in age))
Thing is that dragon’s are extremely greedy, I believe it is in the Hobbit book that it states they know by memory every single piece of gold in their horde and they can tell precisely what is missing, something they do not tolerate under any circumstance. So unless they were ready to not part with a single piece of that treasure they couldn’t really reason or make a deal with Smaug
@@jamilortiz1 It's a Dragon!! Oh my God, you're going to have a Dragon! Of course, you can forget about the gold. They will always have a Dragon.Zolot0 is a Dragon. Gold is a Dragon....I think the Dragon has won)....Actually, the background says so.)
"I still don't understand why it was impossible to negotiate with the dragon" that's because it's an dragon, mate, that's like saying "Why couldn't the rohirrims ask the Oliphaunts to go away in pelennor"
@@zherean42069 which is also an important thing to note, the Dragons were servants of Morgoth (Sauron’s even more evil master), these beings were evil made for dark purposes, same as the Balrogs who had become evil beings. So I think the thought of recruiting the dragon would’ve been as much of a mistake as using the One Ring (like Boromir wanted)
@@jamilortiz1 Yes, but who tried? Besides, he's mean and all that, of course, but he still won't miss out on the benefits for himself. Since he was talking, I should have tried. After all, this is not Sauron. Even Thranduil was convinced, and he's a son of a bitch. It could well be one of the development options for dwarves. But no, we will suffer and be angry at all living things, and let our king be an asshole.
Fun fact i think you cut it but the moment after Bard's son says the house is being watched. It shows a man with an eye patch and that's Stephen Colbert who gets a cameo in the movie because hes a HUGE Tolkien fan.
I like how you pointed out that in these series the elves really look like they're "not just a normal human"... something about their faces, their presence, their glow, idk. For some reason the new "Rings of Power" series from Amazon completely failed to convey that other-wordly feeling. Their elves look like a bunch of theatre students trying to cosplay Julius Caesar😂 Just humans with pointy ears wearing robes... P.S. as for Legolas feeling different in this movie, I guess it's because they've tried to digitally de-age Orlando and it didn't go too well
HAH. Your point about Sauron at the end is funny, about how it really couldn’t have been anyone else, and even if it were, it still would have been super serious. But it’s one thing to know it’s him, it’s another to have enough power to stop him. You can know something and not be able to do anything about it. Apart from that, it’s been thousands of years, a REAL long time. The way it’s presented here though I think seeing everyone as a little too complacent is a totally valid interpretation though.
Did anyone else spot talk show host and former president (in Monsters Inc) Stephen Colbert? He's the rascally fellow who flips his eye patch down when the signal is sent through Laketown.
Legolas' eyes are depicted colder in the hobbit because he is kinda coldhearted but he becomes kindhearted and open minded over the years between the hobbit and lotr
So real quick, I don’t think you really realize the scale of the war of the ring throughout these movies. Where was Earabor and Dale and the elves of Mirkwood you ask? Right where they are now fighting their own battles. They were fighting the orcs of gundabad and men of the east loyal to Sauron. In fact, within days of the battle of pelinor fields outside of Minas Tirith, there was a nearly as big a battle there outside the lonely mountain. Gandalf even said that if (blank) and the dwarves and men that were there fighting, if they didn’t win and the men of the east took the lonely mountain, that the war would have continued on even after Sauron was defeated because of the size and hatred of the men of the east
The changes you’re noticing about the changes in Legolas’ eyes and wig, etc are part of the reason these movies weren’t as well received as the original trilogy. I still love these movies. I’d prefer more practical effects to the cgi they relied on here. They relied too heavily in my opinion. The orcs especially. Also, the hobbit book is a much shorter single volume book and they added soooo much extra to make 3 films. I’m not upset about it though. I love seeing more of this world come to life.
"Is the rings like shards of Sauron's power?" bruh, you said it yourself that the other rings are just Sauron's way to deceive the free people of middle earth, and LOTR literally tells us that Sauron's soul is bound to the one ring, we see that the Elven and Dwarven lords never became a Nazgul, which means they still has their rings and we have never see Sauron collecting other rings to get his power back, we didnt even see a discussion about every Dwarven and Elven kingdom destroying their own ring at the meeting in Rivendell where every race is present
The elf king is legolas' father Thranduil, and he is not married to galadriel. They are the green elves from mirkwood.
Wood Elves, not Green Elves
@@michaelallen3894 you can say they are the......Silver Elves, get it?
Yes, Lothlorien was south of Mirkwood Forest, though most of the Elves in both realms are Wood-elves. Galadriel is Elrond's mother-in-law (and Arwen's grandmother).The Green Elves were a different group that do not appear in either The Lord of the Rings or The Hobbit.
All of LotR: FRODO I SWEAR DO NOT PUT ON THAT RING
All of the Hobbit: BILBO I SWEAR PUT ON THAT RING
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Right?! lol. Of course at that time Bilbo had no idea exactly what ring it was. Gandalf didn't even know. If I recall the lore right, the One Ring wasn't the only one of the magic rings (and there were many made outside of the "big" 16 that went to elves, dwarves and men) that could make you go invisible. For a very long time, Gandalf assumed Bilbo had found one of the lesser rings and it wasn't until the party at Bag End 80 years later that he really began to suspect it might be the one ring, especially when he saw that Bilbo hadn't aged.
Legolas’s father Thranduil is NOT married to Galadriel, different blond elf 🤣
Sauron didn't have enough power to go to war at this point in time - he was pretending to be the Necromancer, slowly gathering orcs and other horrible things, getting the Ringwraiths out of their tombs, etc. Without the Ring, he was a pale shadow of his original power - but slowly getting stronger. And the Ring reacts to Sauron's recovery - they feed off each other, the Ring getting stronger as Sauron gets stronger. That's why the Ring leaves Gollum to hang out with Bilbo - Gollum never leaves the mountains, so the Ring isn't getting any closer to "home". And as the Ring starts to move, Sauron gets stronger - and can contest Gandalf. The Rings for the Dwarves didn't give Sauron power over them, but it did make them xenophobic greedy isolationists - some it drove mad, some it made insanely greedy. The greed drew things - the Balrog in Moria, Smaug to Erebor. And personally *I* believe that Gandalf got involved with sending the Dwarves back to Erebor so that Smaug would be killed...because he feared Sauron would have a fire-breathing air force in the coming great war otherwise.
I love that Legolas calls Gimli a 'mutant' and then they become besties in Lotr!
Another of the liberties in this unnecessary films. Tolkien and mutants... What was that? The X-Men?
@@oskarobit my god, why so negative?? I get it, the films could've been so much better blah blah, but can we not act like they are "the worst"? Take a look at a lot of recent films and be so fr
@@irenarenci negative? Ironic perhaps. I've watched all three. Do I enjoyed? Yes I did. But please, don't put in the title "The Hobbit"... Comparing the length of the book with the movies, these ones are barely a 10% of the book and a 90% ?IDK-how-to-say-it-politely'.
@@oskarobit they are based on the book. much like lord of the rings, they're an interpretation with their own characteristic. movies are way different than books. the director decides what parts are changed and added. and what gets left out. btw all 6 are still one of the most "true to the book" films ever. if you look at any other fantasy movie that's based on a book, you'll see that they mostly just keep the names of the characters. even in harry potter there are many many changes.
@@997ET "based on the book" is not a licence to make a space opera about "Scarlett, a young woman from a wealthy family and her BBF Mammy, embark on a journey across the galaxy in search of the best colton seeds for her entrepreneurial business on a lunar colony on Jupiter. But their eternal enemy Dr. Butler awaits them with an army of space wolves...". And then the director writes on the screen "based on Gone with the Wind".
Get it?
Have you ever read a title on the cover of a Tolkien book and that's it?
Legolas wasn't in the book, so a lot of people were surprised when he showed up.
Prof Tolkien didn't get far when he went to retrofit The Hobbit to bring it in line with LotR.
In The Hobbit, the elven king of the Woodland Realm in Mirkwood is not named. In Fellowship we learn that Legolas is the prince, and son of King Thranduil, who rules the Woodland Realm in Mirkwood. They are Sindarin elves who rule a kingdom populated by mostly Silvan elves. That's info from elsewhere in the lengendarium.
In Lothlorien at this point in the Third Age, the Lady Galadriel (a Noldorin princess) and Lord Celeborn (either a Sindarin or Teleri prince, depending on the version) rule a largely Silvan elvish population.
Well according to what we know of him from lotr he definitely would have been there Tolkien just hadn’t invented him before he wrote the hobbit book
"The dragon talks?" Yes, indeed. In Tolkien's legendarium dragons can indeed talk. It is "dragonspeak' meaning they have the ability to mix truth and lies to mislead and bewilder the listener. See how Smaugh mixes truth and suspicion to try and make Bilbo doubt his Dwarf friends. This is something Tolkien picked from old Norse and Germanic tales of dragons. Gaurang, the first dragon in Tolkien's works, uses this to devastating effectiveness.
They’re genius psychopaths, like Hannibal Lecter
I love glaurung, my favorite dragon. 😍😍
and because of this it is never wise to reveal your real name, and also never wise to risk the dragon's anger by lying. Bilbo spoke of himself in riddles because he was well-read enough to know this. No dragon can resist the temptation of riddles, and of wasting time trying to understand them.
@@carsonelliott6522a perfect encapsulation of their pride and ego not just thinking themselves stronger than all other races but also the most cunning and clever. A dragon that can’t talk misses the whole point they’re a physical representation of arrogance they are evil not just a dangerous animal
I think you are right that there's "something off" with Legolas and it's a bit jarring how different he is than the one from LOTR. It's worth bearing in mind that Legolas isn't in the Hobbit novel; this is him being brought back in by Peter Jackson for the film only.
1. 10 years have passed from Return of the King (2003) in real life until this film was released in 2013. Naturally, therefore, Orlando Blood no longer has the waifish half-boy frame he did at the age of 19 when he first started playing Legolas. He's heavier, more muscled as one would expect from someone by then in his mid-thirties. You have this odd situation where Lee Pace, who plays Legolas' father Thranduil, is actually a couple of years younger than the actor playing his son!
2. They definitely had a continuity issue with his eyes. Apparently in the original LOTR films, Orlando had real problems with the contact lenses required to make his eyes blue - he had some kind of painful reaction to them. At the time, there wasn't a good way to convincingly make the change digitally, so Peter Jackson left Legolas with Orlando's natural dark brown eyes. Now in the Hobbit films, Legolas suddenly has these steely blue eyes, and the difference is noticeable and a bit jarring. Personally, I would have kept his eyes brown to avoid this issue.
3. For some reason, either Peter Jackson or Orlando (or both) really seemed to want Legolas in the Hobbit to be more "macho" and with something of an attitude. He's much more physical with his fighting style, more brawling. Yes, he can still do the lightning-fast moves and almost balletic stuff, but it's noticeable just how much more like a Man (a la Aragorn) Legolas fights in the Hobbit rather than his Elvish self in LOTR. It seems like a very deliberate choice, almost as if they tired of Legolas just being a great archer with super-fast reflexes; they wanted him to be "badass tough" as well.
The end result to me is an odd feeling of Legolas in the Hobbit being something of an "imposter", someone trying to cosplay Legolas but not quite getting it right, and it's off-putting. Don't get me wrong: the way Orlando played Legolas in the Hobbit moves is a perfectly valid way to portray *another* Elf warrior, but it's so different to how Orlando plays him in LOTR that it seems like a totally different person. It might have worked had the story of the Hobbit have been later than LOTR, as you could say that Legolas' experiences of fighting in the War of the Ring hardened him and made him sterner and more ruthless; however, with the Hobbit being the kind of prequel, it doesn't quite work to see how edgy and dangerous Legolas is here and then to see him "regress" to a sweeter, more boyish personality that he is in LOTR.
I personally would have preferred Legolas to have not been in these films for the above reasons.
I definitely agree with Legolas’ portrayal being off, however in my headcanon I think his “regression” or being more open minded and not driven by this rage stems from what happens in the ending of the 3rd film, where he loses that part of himself. Still kind of weird, but made more sense in my head that way
My only comment because the first two points are understandable since it's age and a simple contacts being irritable/costume hiccup (a lot of time passed it's not an unforgivable blunder to me for eyes to change, esp when you have big white orcs and talking spiders. It's easy or me to suspend the disbelief and just put my own magic spin on why his eyes went from blue in Mirkwood to brown in lotr.)
But with the fighting style, he's prince of MIRKWOOD. You've seen his father and you've seen those woods - they're constantly defending the woods. His aggressive fighting is needed in Mirkwood, it's not an easy place to live and the elves there are said to be rougher than their kin. So to me seeing him as a younger elf who's bulkier and fighting harsher makes sense. It actually feels like on his journey to later find Aragorn would be the time he slimmed down and changed due to how less harsh the world beyond is. (For an elf like Legolas anyway who had Z E R O issue climbing and taking out a massive war elephant all by himself, it's not hard to imagine he'd learn he can be more at ease.) Think of it like he's in survival mode then he walks out to.... well. Easy land. His biggest threat on the road seems to just be mercs and bandits, and Legolas can handle those easily. To me the journey getting there would also give him his own sense of personality beyond Prince, so he also grows out of his harsh For-My-Dad-And-People mentality and slowly comes into the Legolas we know by the time of LOTR. His time with Aragorn changed him. Seeing him in this movie actually made perfect sense for his origin to me.
Couldn't have put it better myself.
Love your reactions to these films!
The question "where were all the dwarves of erebor, elves of mirkwood, and men of laketown during LOTR and why were they not helping" in the books has the answer, that they were also fighting against Sauron in their own kingdoms. Sauron did not only attack the men of Rohan and Gondor, he also sent forces that attacked dwarf and elf kingdoms. But these groups did send representatives to the Council of Elrond (Legolas, the elf-king's son, and Gimli the son of Gloin who is in The Hobbit). And so, these groups ended up havign representatives in the Fellowship of the Ring as well. This is not stuff that was cut for the movies, really, it's from the Appendices to the books and not fleshed out to the same degree as the stuff in the main text that involves members of the Fellowship. Its more Tolkien just telling us this extra stuff at the end of the story in case we were wondering.
Very few reactor realize it is indeed Benedict Cumberbatch! Nicely done!
Sauron did help create the rings to use as a control. It didn't work on the elves because they made their own rings without his influence. It didn't work on the dwarves because they are too stubborn to be controlled, but the levels of greed it brought to them brought on their own demise (waking the balrog, attracting dragons with their great hordes of wealth, etc.), so it really only worked on men.
It did work on the elves but they can sense him so they took them off.
Oh, elves can get drunk. One can surmise that the drinking contest in Return of the King was Legolas using stereotypes about elves to goad Gimli, when in fact he's just a very experienced drinker.
I love watching you watching these. Knowing what's coming next and seeing your reactions is priceless. It's like watching them again for the first time and even though I've seen them several times you pick up on things I didn't necessarily think of. Can't wait till you cover The Battle of the five armies .
High-fantasy dragons are often extremely intelligent and long lived creatures with some magical abilities.
This would certainly feed into Smaug's superiority complex
The way Bombur moves in these films just convinces me that he is in fact a helium balloon. Also, you 1000%, absolutely HAVE to watch Benedict Cumberbatch's mocap for this film. It honestly is a master class in acting
Tolkien describes in his books that the elves are able to live together with the forces that move the world in such a way that they do not dominate these forces but cooperate with them. This is why Legolas is able to walk on snow while the others are waist-deep in snow. Tolkien also describes that Frodo calculated that they had spent 3 days in Rivendell, but as they left the magical territory of the elves, he realized that in his world a lunar cycle, or 1 month, had passed. All elves are like this, airy, magical, excellent warriors, but they are more organized for protection.
The elf king was Thranduil, Legolas’ father. This was Mirkwood and the lady Galadriel was from Lothlorien (The Golden Wood) and married to Celeborn.
Bilbo is one of my all time favorite characters. He is one of the most respected people in all of middle earth among the wise. In the book while they were at the council of elrond deciding who would take the ring Bilbo stepped up and said he would take it. Boromir wasn't aware of who bilbo was and what he already had accomplished so he started laughing. He quickly realized that all the most powerful and influential people in middle earth were taking bilbos suggestion very seriously. In the book he's like who da fuck is this guy and what did he do to be so respected by the most powerful beings alive in middle earth?!?!
Thranduil is not lady Galadriels husband haha :D His domain is Mirkwood while Galadriel and her husband rule Lothlórien. Thranduil lost his wife in battle long ago and is also why he seeks the jewels they talked about, they belonged to her and he wants something of her back as he misses her deeply. Not realising he has something more of her this whole time - Legolas. Galadriels husband is named Celeborn :)
Well I guess Galadriel is now the mother of Legolas 😂
Gollum never had the ring when he met Shelob. He only left his caves after Bilbo took the ring. He finally abandoned the cave to go on a decades-long search for Bilbo. That’s when he learned his way around pathways to Mordor and encountered Shelob, and got captured by Sauron.
(1996) DragonHeart is the first time I heard an seen a dragon talk in a story when I was rather young and it scrambled my head. Because i thought they were just flying, fire breathing monsters until then
The movie that traumatized me as kid, I've never cried so hard because of movies 😅. As an adult i still have tears every time i watch it or hear soundtrack.
One of the best story ever.
Bolg is Azog's son, not his brother.
Just wanted to say I've watched all your lord of the rings/the hobbit videos, and they've been such a joy! I've watched all the movies and read the books countless times, and it's just really fun to see someone new to the world reacting with such positivity and enjoyment. People who have read all the books and then gone and watched the movies can sometimes be a bit negative with their response to the movies, particularly the hobbit movies, just because of the inevitable changes that are going to come with any adaptation. (And also because of the huge tonal shift between lotr and the hobbit, along with the hobbit movies being a bit drawn out). But watching you really enjoy these movies and pick up more and more details about middle earth is a reminder of how much joy and meaning these stories really have. Can't wait for the next video!!
"Does he look like Joe Jonas or is it just me?"
Hahaha that just painted the funniest scene in my head.
*Kili starts singing in his cell*
"You'rE thE vOice that sinGs InsIdE mY heAd, the reAsoN that I'm sInGinG"
Gloin: Aaw no here he goes!
Bifur: Please shut him up!!
Oin: Just no laddie!"
Balin: I'd rather take the dragon.
Lol. When i saw the "Oh brother this guy stinks" little clip right after you said "spiderverse", i hit like lol. Love me good jokes. Keep it up bro
The waitress at the Prancing Pony is played by Peter Jackson's daughter Katie, who played one of the small kids listening to Bilbo's troll story in the Fellowship of the Ring!. She is in all 6 of the movies (extended versions) and Jackson's King Kong.
The serpents of the north make Smaug look like a gecko
Never clicked so fast in my life xD
I believe, Shelob the spider had the ability to talk, as her mother did. Pretty sure the Mirkwood lot are her offspring unless I’m mistaken. She doesn’t talk in the books, however she is thought to have communicated with Gollum to plan the demise of Frodo and Sam. So I think it is common belief she can speak and just chose not to whilst hunting. I had to do some research myself because I had a false memory of her talking at the end of the two towers book for some reason lmao.
Edit: also I think they changed the contacts for Legolas to make him seem more silver elf like his father for these movies. I definitely preferred the darker blueish colour, he looks sharper/harsher these movies. Less kind.
Yes, the spiders do fully speak and I also think Shelob did (even if it isn’t confirmed, it makes sense) since these were descendants of her and she was an offspring of Ungoliant, however many animals generally speak in Tolkien’s universe, like the bird that tells Bard of the Dragon’s weakness or the crows that send message to Dain Ironfoot
“These are my boys! 221B Baker Street!” I feel like I’d be friends with KP in real life 🥰 I love his love for Martin Freeman and how quickly he recognized Benedict Cumberbatch! And, of course, his love for Middle Earth and these LOTR/Hobbit series ❤
As far as gollum and shelob, gollum never had the ring when he met her, he met her while he was looking for bilbo and the ring, shortly before he was captured by sauron.
Been checking daily for this
The Arkenstone isn't a thing of evil like the Ring, but Tolkien does have a recurring theme that people should not focus their love on Things. It's not the Creation that should attract us, instead we should always focus on the Creator. But people fall short and they love rings, and jewels and gold. Hobbits seem more grounded in these matters. And I would say that Gandalf and Aragorn have great strength because they focus on Faith and Hope more than anything else.
Also the greed for the Arkenstone could’ve started by the corruption of one of the Rings of Power Thorin’s family had and because of Dragon Sickness after it had been sitting on Smaug’s horde for many many years when they returned to Erebor
Regarding the relationship between Smaug and Sauron: Sauron was essentially the right-hand man of the true dark lord in the distant past, named Morgoth (As in, Legolas' line "a Balrog of Morgoth" when stating to Galadriel's husband why Gandalf was not in Lothlorien with the Fellowship) Simply put, dragons were creatures created by Morgoth. So Sauron presumably saw in them potential for alliance or more likely subjugation, with his heirship to Morgoth being a claim to his dominion over them, if I had to guess. That's easier said than done, though. Hence, the existence of a line of dragons of the north being an independent threat for years, which Thranduil the elvenking referenced in this movie. The North is an infrequently explored expansive wasteland of cold and crags of ice and rock.
i thought he was referring to the fall of gondolin?
You should find somewhere the behind the scenes footage with Cumberbatch doing mocap and voice for Smaug, and hear him talk about the part. Priceless! As for the Hobbit movies, they did not come together the way the LOTRs--I put this down to the circumstances of their creation. But Jackson added content that only he could have done with his access to LOTR actors like Galadriel and Saruman. While Gandalf's side quest definitely happened, it is not shown in the Hobbit but briefly alluded to in other content. As for Legolas, he first appears in LOTR but Mirkwood is his home and it would be weird for him not to be there.
Im dramatic, too, bc when I saw this notification, I was like, FINALLY!!! 😂😂😂😂 Its been 80 years 😂😂😂😂
Bolg is actually Azog's son. That's why they look like brothers.
This is a different forest from where Galadriel is and that is not her husband. This is Thrandruil and her husband is Celeborn.
Tauriel is a made up character that's why she wasn't in LOTR
There is no remnant of Sauron in the other rings. But he wants them back under his control so that he can use them again. Something mentioned in the book LOTR, is Sauron had sent a messenger to Gimli’s people offering them a Dwarf ring if they’d help him find Bilbo. The Dwarf rings never worked as Sauron intended because Dwarves are too indomitable, but no doubt Sauron would try again if he could. Actually 3 or 4 of the Dwarf rings had been consumed by dragons, but there were a few still around like Thrain’s, and Sauron would be pleased to have them back.
Sauron sent a messenger to Smaug at some point and asked for an alliance. That's the connection.
Where it goes from here? You will see... Oh yes, you will see.
18:13 mark - You are mistaken. The Elvenking, Thranduil, was not married to Galadriel. She is not Legolas' mother. King Thranduil rules over Mirkwood. Galadriel & her husband, Lord Celeborn, reside & rule in Lothlorien while Lord Elrond rules in Rivendell. Keep in mind that the events in The Hobbit occur about 60 years prior to Lord of the Rings. While we do see a few familiar places such as The Shire, Bree, & Rivendell, Bilbo's adventure takes us to other parts of Middle Earth rather than where Frodo & company travel to. You can find detailed and interactive maps online which shows all the key locations in both film series (& in the novels).
Side note: I don't know if you made the connection but the older silver haired dwarf, Balin, is the one who ended up becoming Lord of Moria. It was his tomb that his cousin, Gimli, cried over when The Fellowship went into Moria years later...
I used to not mind but after reading people’s comments that know the books and watching in depth videos throughout the years, I’ve grown to greatly dislike that they created a love story…triangle…with Legolas and a made up elf and a Dwarf. You could always tell how so out of place it is and the words they speak just is a bit cringe. Apart from that, I really love these movies almost much as LOTR even the extra characters and action, in the books or not. They did Orlando dirty with the CGI. He’s a gorgeous man and still looks very young, it wasn’t necessary.
14:28 This is actually because Sauron can only sense when someone uses the ring in two places, Amon Hen (where Boromir died) and Mordor. The movies ignore this because there were major time jumps in the LOTR saga
I simply love your reactions! I checked multiple times per day for the new video during the last weeks and got so excited when I finally saw it today 😭🥹
And I definitely waited for that reaction to Legolas😅
When you realise that Smaug and he is a great character is the size of a boeing 737 jet with added tail you truly get an idea of how big a dragon and Smaug can be. Smaug wasn't even the biggest dragon in Middle Earth either.
The only need in doing this trilogy was the Peter Jackson's wallet...
The Hobbit, the book, can be put in a movie of one and a half hours. Not to mention all the "artistic liberties" he took. Like where are the luxuriant beards of the dwarf women? Why a small book elongates to infinite in 3 infinite movies?
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I believe that Bolg is Asog's son.
glad to see you visiting middle earth again! it totally turned my day around! ☺️
omg im so glad to see you continue the hobbit
The fight between Gandalf and Sauron is awesome🔥
Read the books buddy! You gonna love it! Start from Silmarillion and you will find all the answers.
I love how Bolg was limping like nope this is not it lol
Bolg is the son of Azog (who did not survive the Battle of Azanulbizar in Tolkien's legendarium. Instead of being wounded by Thorin, Azog was slain by Dain). The Dorwinion wine that the Elvenking likes so much is very potent, like a fortified wine. That's why it can get the Elves drunk!
Sauron reclaimed the surviving Dwarf-rings so he could use them to try to bribe the Dwarves into dropping the dime on Bilbo. This is a detail that got left out of the films.
In the book they shot at the Stag because by this point they were lost and starving
I love your enthusiasm!! Legolas's contacts are actually the same as in LOTR but in the first trilogy, Orlando forgot to wear them in a lot of scenes LOL
Not this video being how I find out that there's extended editions for the Hobbit... How did I not know this?!
When JRRT was a kid he and his friends used to try to scare each other with spiders. Also, the ones in Mirkwood are the children of Shelob (the big on in LotR).
Fun fact about the scene where it seems that Thranduil (the elven king) can see Bilbo with the ring, even though he can’t other elves can. I believe it is stated that Elves who saw the “Light of the Trees”, which were these magical pair of Trees that illuminated the world before there was a Sun or Moon (created by the God of this mythos), could exist in both the seen and unseen world at the same time. The unseen world is that realm where Frodo and Bilbo go/see when they put on the ring, it’s where the Nazgûl’s bodies look like their wraith forms. This is important because they can actually see and interact with those in this realm, meaning they could see someone with the One Ring on. An example of this in the books is when this very powerful elf named Glorfindel saves Frodo after he is stabbed by the Morgul Blade and as Frodo is slowly becoming a wraith he sees Glorfindel as a being of incredible light (how his form appears in the unseen world)
15:54 the moment I’ve been waiting for lol
"my boi!"
Finaly!!! 3 weeks!! Yes thats a lot of time. Love your reactions!!!
Girion was the Lord of Dale when the dragon first came. Dale was destroyed and Laketown was built later at some distance, in the middle of Long Lake.
I love these reactions so much!!!! I hope when you finish the third hobbit you’ll give Rings of Power a try! It gets a lot of undeserved hate just like the hobbit movies, but as a lifelong fan of the books and movies - I think you’d love it! Nothing beats spending more time in middle earth - and season 2 is starting at the end of august so it’s perfect timing!
The Arkenstone may have its origin with the original two lamps of Illuin and Ormal created by Aule, being a fragment from one of those lamps. After they were destroyed by Melkor, who was later to be named Morgoth by the Noldor Elves. According to Tolkein, the destruction of the two lamps "that the lands were broken and new seas arose; the shape of Arda and the symmetry of its waters and its lands were marred so that the first designs of the Valar were never after restored."
In the books the ring isn't like a straight up homing beacon for Sauron and the Riders like it is in the movies. It's more subtle. Sauron was very weak at the time, and the wraiths can't necessarily tell you put it on, but they can see you when you wear it because you enter the unseen world, and they live on the edge between the two worlds.
Interesting fact: Galadriel is the Mother-in-Law of Elrond, and thus Arwen's Grandmother!
The best movie in the Hobbit trilogy, so much fun! The fight choreography is so cool, I love how dynamic the combat is with the elves. I'm gonna be sad when it ends, again, but I'll look forward to the next reaction in the coming weeks!
"Thranduil" is perfectly matched, you can watch the camera lick Lee Pace for an hour on a full screen in 4k resolution.
The dwarves in The Hobbit are assholes.
I still don't understand why it was impossible to negotiate with the dragon. He would just sleep at the bottom of the treasury - they would fill him with gold and grub (the dwarves had a lot of both). And he slept without touching anyone, and if anything, he could help with security.
Legolas, of course, is godlessly young in age))
Thing is that dragon’s are extremely greedy, I believe it is in the Hobbit book that it states they know by memory every single piece of gold in their horde and they can tell precisely what is missing, something they do not tolerate under any circumstance. So unless they were ready to not part with a single piece of that treasure they couldn’t really reason or make a deal with Smaug
@@jamilortiz1 It's a Dragon!! Oh my God, you're going to have a Dragon!
Of course, you can forget about the gold. They will always have a Dragon.Zolot0 is a Dragon. Gold is a Dragon....I think the Dragon has won)....Actually, the background says so.)
"I still don't understand why it was impossible to negotiate with the dragon" that's because it's an dragon, mate,
that's like saying "Why couldn't the rohirrims ask the Oliphaunts to go away in pelennor"
@@zherean42069 which is also an important thing to note, the Dragons were servants of Morgoth (Sauron’s even more evil master), these beings were evil made for dark purposes, same as the Balrogs who had become evil beings. So I think the thought of recruiting the dragon would’ve been as much of a mistake as using the One Ring (like Boromir wanted)
@@jamilortiz1 Yes, but who tried?
Besides, he's mean and all that, of course, but he still won't miss out on the benefits for himself.
Since he was talking, I should have tried. After all, this is not Sauron.
Even Thranduil was convinced, and he's a son of a bitch.
It could well be one of the development options for dwarves.
But no, we will suffer and be angry at all living things, and let our king be an asshole.
YO LETS GOOOO! Its that time again. I look forward to watching when i get home :)
I enjoy your videos so much my guy, keep it up
Fun fact i think you cut it but the moment after Bard's son says the house is being watched. It shows a man with an eye patch and that's Stephen Colbert who gets a cameo in the movie because hes a HUGE Tolkien fan.
Fun fact: Benedict Cumberbatch is also the voice of the Necromancer/Sauron
I like how you pointed out that in these series the elves really look like they're "not just a normal human"... something about their faces, their presence, their glow, idk. For some reason the new "Rings of Power" series from Amazon completely failed to convey that other-wordly feeling. Their elves look like a bunch of theatre students trying to cosplay Julius Caesar😂 Just humans with pointy ears wearing robes...
P.S. as for Legolas feeling different in this movie, I guess it's because they've tried to digitally de-age Orlando and it didn't go too well
14:04 is such a good insight
HAH. Your point about Sauron at the end is funny, about how it really couldn’t have been anyone else, and even if it were, it still would have been super serious. But it’s one thing to know it’s him, it’s another to have enough power to stop him. You can know something and not be able to do anything about it. Apart from that, it’s been thousands of years, a REAL long time. The way it’s presented here though I think seeing everyone as a little too complacent is a totally valid interpretation though.
Thranduil and Smaug time!
My brother I am addicted to these videos lol
Bolg is Azog's son
Nothing beats the Rankin Bask version of The Hobbit.
32:02 if anything, the horcruxes function like the rings
Gollum actually served Shelob for a while, but it was after Bilbo had the Ring.
can't wait for the next part!!!
miss you bud nice your back
Did anyone else spot talk show host and former president (in Monsters Inc) Stephen Colbert? He's the rascally fellow who flips his eye patch down when the signal is sent through Laketown.
Legolas' eyes are depicted colder in the hobbit because he is kinda coldhearted but he becomes kindhearted and open minded over the years between the hobbit and lotr
Bruh, u just made that up lmaoo but nice head canon tho
@@sourstuff well seems like I'm caught 👁️👅👁️
@bebbobablebe5952 he wore contacts lenses for LotR. The irritate his eyes, so they used CGi for them, in the hobbit.
@@lailaalanna315 yeah we know that, I was talking head Canon if you can read
Benedict also does the voice and mo cap for Sauron/Necromancer.
Up over that 10k yooooooo
So real quick, I don’t think you really realize the scale of the war of the ring throughout these movies. Where was Earabor and Dale and the elves of Mirkwood you ask? Right where they are now fighting their own battles. They were fighting the orcs of gundabad and men of the east loyal to Sauron. In fact, within days of the battle of pelinor fields outside of Minas Tirith, there was a nearly as big a battle there outside the lonely mountain. Gandalf even said that if (blank) and the dwarves and men that were there fighting, if they didn’t win and the men of the east took the lonely mountain, that the war would have continued on even after Sauron was defeated because of the size and hatred of the men of the east
With how big Smaug is.... I do believe he is actually one of the smallest dragons in Tolkien's lore? Someone correct me if I'm wrong
The changes you’re noticing about the changes in Legolas’ eyes and wig, etc are part of the reason these movies weren’t as well received as the original trilogy. I still love these movies. I’d prefer more practical effects to the cgi they relied on here. They relied too heavily in my opinion. The orcs especially. Also, the hobbit book is a much shorter single volume book and they added soooo much extra to make 3 films. I’m not upset about it though. I love seeing more of this world come to life.
Ori and Balin are in the Fellow ship of the ring.
My bro, you gotta come down to NZ and go to Hobbiton, bloody awesome experience.
Can’t wait for the last one!
"Smaug," "Smeagol," and a word in the books but not in the movies "smials" all come from and Old English word meaning "to burrow."
I can't WAIT for you to see the "green scene" in the next one!! ❤
Bro in the first three minutes you and GD are locked TF in
legolas looks a bit uncanny since they did a lot of de-aging cgi to his face since orlando bloom was 24 in lotr, and 37 in this film haha.
Where was gondor when KP reached 10k subs?
Avoiding Rohan for not going to the westfold
Ask Rohan. Rohan will answer.
Where the hell have you been :O
I missed your mug bro.
Take care ♥
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PART 2 FINALLY
"Is the rings like shards of Sauron's power?" bruh, you said it yourself that the other rings are just Sauron's way to deceive the free people of middle earth, and LOTR literally tells us that Sauron's soul is bound to the one ring, we see that the Elven and Dwarven lords never became a Nazgul, which means they still has their rings and we have never see Sauron collecting other rings to get his power back, we didnt even see a discussion about every Dwarven and Elven kingdom destroying their own ring at the meeting in Rivendell where every race is present