NBA Superstars Who Went From Being Heroes...To Villains
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- Опубликовано: 7 июл 2024
- In this video, let's take a look at some superstars who entered the NBA with a very positive image, but eventually became the villain.
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Reputation wise Karl Malone is like R Kelly and OJ Simpson combined
Black Republicans tend to get destroyed by the mainstream media for leaving the plantation.
Malone is despicable in every way. Hated seeing him on post game or half time shows on tv only like 7 years ago. Like what he did wasn’t already known
Only difference is Karl Malone hasn’t answered for his crimes
OJ?
OJ? Who did Karl murder?
LeBron James fit the description of being a "villain" in the NBA. When he joined the Miami Heat in The Decision, this Heat team with LeBron, Dwyane Wade, and Chris Bosh was incredibly hated by the media and portrayed as villains. In typical villain fashion, the Heat dominated the regular season. The 2010-11 season ended very much like a movie; the villains were defeated in the Finals by an underdog Dallas Mavericks team.
Facts. It’s crazy how everyone booed the Heat just cause LeBron didn’t join their team and how much they’ve cheered for the Mavs when they defeated us in 2011. But yet didn’t booed Durant like that joining a stacked Warriors team that’s already good enough to defeat LeBron and the Cavs in 2017 again if they didn’t signed KD. All in all I’m glad LeBron joined Miami because it taught him to be a champion that lost against Dallas made him go beast mode the very next year.
Please tell me how a 57 win team is considered underdogs
@@ProfRon-hb8zb No one expected them to get past the heats big three
@@ProfRon-hb8zb The Mavericks were clearly underdogs to the Miami Heat. The Heat were better by only one game, winning 58 games. However the Mavs came out with the victory.
@@edwinvazquez4230 don't forget that at the time, dirk had a reputation for choking, which contributed to the mavs underdog-ness
I was surprised not to see Melo in this list. Everyone remembers Dwightmare, but Melo-drama seems to be forgotten despite Melo having egregious moments with Denver, NY (getting both D'Antoni and Jeremy Lin out) and even OKC ("Hey P, they say I gotta come off the bench!")
Poor Dwight fucked up in Orlando, but in LA he player with an injury that should have kept him out the whole season, so that he would not disappoint the fans, and he still got hate. In Houston he got blamed for everything, but he was the one of the duo showing up in the playoff and keeping the team alive, not Harden and also we have now seen that Harden is the diva.
Then in ATL and CHA teammates loved him, and finally when he got back to LA he did his best to be the best player he could be in his twilight years, losing weight and doing all the dirty work on defense.
The Jeremy Lin stuff to was out of jealousy and racism
KD and Kyrie are the real NBA villains. That's why they're really good friends.
There just rebellious America hate it
such good friends that KD wants out now lmaoo
@@anjr9915 I don't think Kevin Durant really wants out. Initially, he was just pissed the Nets refused to sign Kyrie to a new contract.
But this off-season has given KD a chance to reflect, and it's clear he blames Steve Nash for getting swept. Steve's rotations were horrible and his in-game adjustments did not help.
I'm pretty sure Sean Marks blames KD for insisting on signing DeAndre Jordan, who was a terrible signing for Brooklyn. Likewise, KD hates him back for trading half the team and a sh!tload of first round draft picks for James Harden, who turned out to be a less-than-a-year rental.
Bottom line, both Kyrie and KD are definitely primadonnas, but they probably won't reach villain status until KD makes a scene at training camp. That's what you call "the point of no return." 💁🏻♂️🏀
@@TuNnL They for sure already reached "villain status" I think KD realized they aren't getting better while the Eastern conference keeps getting better around them and judging by KD's past actions, he is looking for a way out to a different team. It's safe to assume now KD wants it the easy way. Plus it's not easy playing with someone like Kyrie.
@@anjr9915 yeah, you keep repeating that media narrative that somehow Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving aren't friends anymore, but there is zero evidence to support that. Like I wrote, the reason Durant asked for a trade so late in the game, was because Brooklyn refused to sign Kyrie to a new contract.
In that sense, KD sees staying on the Nets as an uncertain proposition, being that the #2 guy on the team is playing his last season because the front office thinks they know better. Personally, I think the Sean Marks should throw KD a bone and fire Steve Nash.
Nash clearly got worse at coaching the second year in, and it's obvious the reason is that Steve's assistants Ime Udoka and Mike D'Antoni left after the 2020-21 season. Those two guys were propping up an inexperienced head coach and he fell on his @ss in 2021-22. 💁🏻♂️🏀🤷
I can see Anthony Edwards or Lamelo being on this list depending on how their futures go. Everybody loves them now, but one move people disagree with and they're hated.
It’ll prolly be melo
Anthony Edwards was the villain in Adam Sandler's Hustle.
Same thing with Trae
@@MoralesCorner Trae is already a villain to Knicks fans lol
@@MoralesCorner Trae been a villain
"You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain" - Harvey Dent
Shaq had more heel turns than Randy Orton and Lex Luger combined!
🤣 nice 1
What people don’t realize about KD was that despite Klay went off in game 6, the thunder still almost won that game but Russ had like 4 turnovers in the last minutes and completely threw the game away.
No excuses Thunder should have won that series 💯💪🤞🏼 💯
3-1 lead do not bring russell into this, him being on the team helped them get to a championship and 1 game away from finals idk how you can say it’s his fault they lost yet somehow no credit when they win. When they win it’s just bc of kd when they lose it’s only bc of westbrook how does that work?
Kd shooting 10/30 didn’t help either
Klay and Steph just kept going back and forth
ofc you blame Russ, I watched the game, KD missed a few go ahead baskets that he could have made having the skill
Man I hate how weak minded KD is, only 2 playable seasons in Brooklyn and he already wants out meanwhile the front office has done everything has asked for and the worst part is the nets are a top 3 seed in the east since that’s what they were before KDs injury. Now he wants to be traded to a “championship contender” smh.
Weak minded how you gonna play in the nba let us know what you accomplished? How about letting us know what you accomplished in life other than living in your moms basement? Please let us know
Do you think if he was weak minded he’d be playing in the nba?
time is not rubber, he is getting old and will soon retire, he does not want to waste time on Brooklyn and win a few more titles , of course it looks comedic but I understand it
@@larrylegend8446 it's all about timing. If Kevin Durant truly wanted to be traded, he should have said so as soon as the Brooklyn Nets got swept.
Instead he waited all the way until June 30, after it became clear the Nets were not going to sign Kyrie Irving to a new contract. Durant really put Sean Marks in a tough spot, when he didn't have to, and he's hoping Marks and Steve Nash get fired so KD can avoid accountability again. 💁🏻♂️🏀
Not only that my thing with KD request to be traded is he doesn’t stick things out when things get tough. That sole reason is why he isn’t viewed in the same light as Steph, Giannis, & LeBron. All three have saw the highs and the lows of each franchise and won titles. In Brons case he’s done it three times with three different franchises. Steph didn’t leave when GS lost to the Clippers in 2014 in a hard fought 7 games to join the Clippers in that off season, he didn’t leave or force himself off the team when GS won 15 games in 2020 with Klay out with an ACL injury, and he didn’t leave when they blew a 3-1 lead to Cleveland. Giannis stuck it out after losing to the Raptors in 6 in 2019, and the Heat in 5 after winning DPOY & MVP in the same season dude saw it through and got a chip the next year. Even Bron for as much hate as he gets he’s never requested a trade when shit was bad in Cleveland, or after the 2011 lost to Dallas, or even with the Lakers missing the playoffs twice in the four seasons there. Like Kobe said if you can win championships and have parades in front of the fans you better be able to lose in front of those fans.
Steve Nash sucks as a coach, that's why they aint winning shit
Kyrie's jumper is one of the smoothest I've ever seen, from mid, from 3pt range and from way beyond the 3pt line. He's more than just finishing.
Of course, Kyrie can do more than finishing. But it's his finishing ability with both hands that make him special.
Cleveland as an organization should’ve did more to surround LeBron the first stint
I honestly think that they do trying to do that, it’s just it’s so difficult to pull of. They don’t have a player worth trading for, with bron they never be bad enough to become a lottery team, sure they could try with free agents and cap space but I think back then there’s not much pieces available.
The funny thing is they actually had a chance to get Amar'e, but they basically picked jj Hickson over him
@@aripo14 i mean, they did have a 20 and 10 guy in Carlos boozer, but let him walk in free agency as restricted fa
@@aripo14 I agree with you 100% which is why I said more instead of something along the lines of they did nothing but like the comments underneath, they could’ve had Boozer and beyond that they just settled for LeBron carrying them. It shows incompetence as an organization, the Spurs and Warriors draft well so teams can always find a way to do more. Anything else is a team doing the bare minimum for revenue or wasting their stars prime and talent.
Bron, Boozer and Amare 🤦♂️
Couldnt agree more about Howard. A good amount of people really discredit him cause of his rep. He should easily be in the top 75 and easily a HoF off what he did with the Magics.
*Top 50
Kinda same thing with Lebron, people hated him so much that they kinda screwed him over. He could've been a DPOY and unanimous MVP in the same year. But he was one first place vote off because that guy was salty and voted for Carmelo and was robbed of DPOY, which would put that season by Lebron among the greatest seasons of all time.
I don't see KD's image going BACK ever again unless he carries a team of orphaned puppies to an undeafeated championship run
Is there an opposite of this?
Where the leagues villains became loved heroes?
Also I heared that Malone harrased Kobe's gf, is that true?
miami bron to cleveland part 2
Yes that's true
Hakeem Olajuwon comes to mins
Vince Carter's final years as a role player, when Toronto finally forgave him.
Yes, but it was Kobe's wife.
Could you imagine if KD went to the Clippers, the Pelicans, or the Raptors or some other team? Like man even if they didn’t win a chip, they would’ve been fun to watch.
Honorable lists:
1) Isiah Thomas of Detroit Pistons
2) Kobe Bryant
3) Ben Simmons
Why Kobe? That makes no sense, yes he had that beef with Shaq that reached a boiling point, but otherwise Kobe never showed any villainous behavior, he was just extremely competitive and stubborn to where he always wanted to be ahead of everybody at all times.
4) Westbrook?
@@mariofan2867 hate to break it to you, but Kobe did something terrible on the summer of '03 plus the on-court drama that includes with it (wanting out LA, Loss to the Pistons, Being selfish.) He redeemed himself though in the later parts of his career by winning championships and being a hero and inspiration to all of us.
The fact that Dwight didn't make the top 75 list is absurd... especially since AD made it
Absolutely, his downfall was so big and quick, and he's been around for so long, people just forgot that he was a force for 8 seasons, not just a couple of years. Feel like people will give him his flowers some time after he's retired
Dame made it over dwight's is crazy..
@@GreenlightBze ad shouldn’t even have been on the list not over Kyrie or Dwight or hell even klay
Ad deserved it hes easily a t75 player dwight is better sure but chillax
KD didn’t have to do it man!! Listen, I’m sure we all know he probably wouldn’t have won in OKC but still!!!
They could’ve just retool the team again after trading Westbrook and some other pieces but oh well dude went out sorry.
There is no “but still” everyone hated him because he knew Westbrook wasnt it. Then when everyone was slow to find out they chose something new to hate
@@BigA678 At the end he was right, westbrook is literally a barely above average player who hogged the ball like he was the second coming of Jordan...
That team was so good. Just couldn't outdo the competition. There were plenty of teams like that in the past. Twolves and plenty of times the Mavericks, Suns, and Rockets had crazy good teams that just couldnt go all the way.
I understand him leaving okc but going to the team that beat you rubs me the wrong way
Karl Malone was considered a huge hero before that story came out
Ja Morant did a real good job of getting people to hate him in just one season. Like bro was threatening to murder people over some basketball, it was never that deep
The entire Grizzlies team did that. They went from a lovable up and coming team to obnoxious as hell in one playoff series.
Dwight and Russ don't deserve the scrutiny, and they are often disrespected by fans. Dwight should have made the 75 best players for sure.
I think any disrespect towards Dwight Howard has faded, and many have actually appreciated his effort in recent years. Can't say the same for Russell Westbrook, who has always pushed back against fans, coaches, fellow players, the media and anyone else who doesn't see things his way.
Westbrook has mostly been a selfish player who cares more about stats and money than winning basketball. I get it that the Brodie club is in love with his triple doubles of yesteryear.
But Russ's style of play will never win an NBA championship. He is a "one-man show" and basketball is a TEAM sport. 💁🏻♂️🏀🏆
@@TuNnL Russ is a player who is a competitor, he has a drive to win, KG himself said he sees some of his own qualities in Russell Westbrook, Russ playstyle is not of a winning formula yes but to say he only cares about stats and money is ridiculous
@@anjr9915 exactly. Russ cares about winning that’s why even on bad teams (2021 Wizards, 2017 Thunder) he played his hardest and played to win. I think that Russ can be too stubborn and hardheaded. He seems like a “I’ll do it myself” person. Which can come off as selfish at times
@@user-gm5gc1be4w well said
Lebron could have had an easy transition to Miami if he hadn't made 'The Decision' interview. That interview and the fact that he promised Cavs a ring and embraced the GOAT status before proving anything on the big stage
To be fair he used the decision to raise money for the boys and girls club and he delivered on his promise
Intro with the sad horns means it's gonna be 🔥 lol
That first season with the Lakers really killed Dwight's image as a legend. It didn't help that he sucked in Houston too and even started injuring players purposely in the playoffs for a few years. I remember Klay Thompson was never the same during one playoff run after a dirty hit from Howard.
He didn’t suck on the rockets tho what are u talkin about???
@@trvspvrk didnt "suck" but 13 and 10 on 32 min a game when he was supposed to be the second "superstar" alongside harden is bad. plus playoff dissaperances, gave nothing to houston
@@trvspvrk Aldridge cook Dwight on the Rockets
LMAO “Karl truly showed age was just a number”
No one cares princess
Now we need 'Went from being villian to hero' video. But i can't think of anyone :)
That thumbnail says it all
Most people forgot that weeks before KD left OKC made some moves acquiring Oladipo and rookie Domantas Sabonis.
Video idea - the fall of Dennis Schroder and montrez Harrell the top 2 sixth man of the year candidates in 2019-20 and are now not on any team
Lebron's The Decision made him the top heel we've ever seen in the NBA during a player's career.
K.D took the most easiest way out to get rings. No one can deny this.
All right Andy Hoops Saturday’s YESSIR
KD turning heel is long term booking
That game when LeBron was in his first season back in Cleveland, and it was Kyrie Vs. Tony Parker… those two went OFF with their ball handling skills. It was crazy to watch.
Durant seems more of a villain recently than ever because people forget OKC was trading assets away because they wer assuming KD would leave. Now he has no reason to leave but he still wants to leave and find the easy route.
KD definitely fit in this video quite well.
i would put gilbert arenas on that list. coming from 2nd round pick, becoming one of the best player in the league and then ruined his image with the locker room incident with guns.
Crazy I had never heard of that part of Karl Malone's past before today. I was never a Jazz fan in the 90s but to me he was always regarded as one of the best players in the league
Kevin Durant is a classic introvert. When he's quiet and didn't talk that much, people consider him polite and nice. Yet when he opens his mouth and start to state his opinions, all these years of bottled up emotions and frustrations come out and all of a sudden he becomes this whiny, bitter jerk. I know because I was (and still am) an introvert and for a while I was just like that.
They let Sexton wear 2!!! Disrespectful franchise for someone who is the second best player ever for your franchise!! He owed them nothing!!
Do you think the cavs will eventually retire his jersey ?
Yeah that's why I dont want to hear that loyalty nonsense
Like when Dan Gilbert wrote that slave master letter about Lebron
You should add Ben Simmons to this list
10:29-10:32, man, i spitted my water.☠☠☠. You caught me off guard.😂😂😂
Vince Carter should be on this list! How can you not forget what he did to Toronto
He can also be on a future redemption list
This was a great list. I totally forgot about Karl.
Good video. I love this channel and Andy, but man after 4yrs. Of being a subscriber it’s time for some new background music
LeBron is the perfect example of this
Andy Hoops content is hella underrated, keep up the good work & you’ll hit that Milly in no time.. 👏
Paul George and Russell Westbrook should be on this list too
Why Paul George??
Paul George? No lol
@@Rieky22 cuz of his playoff performances in last 4 years, except for his 2021 postseason
@@chanendlerbong Having bad playoff performances doesn't mean your a villain
Ahh nothin like having a good cheeseburger and fries and Andy Hoops post so I can enjoy my lunch.
What about guys that started as Villians or Losers and became Heros or at least a breathe of fresh air?
I'd put DeMarcus Cousins in the same category, cause had he actually won a championship, this would have set an awful precedence throughout all of sports.
For context, in his prime, Cousins was an All-Star level center, if he did not let his temper get in the way. However, cause of injury concerns, his value in the free agency market kind of dipped, which is understandable why teams were slow to sign him. That is, until he chose to sign a cheap 1 year deal with the Golden State Warriors, the same Warriors team that already had Curry, Green, Thompson AND Durant. Not only did he devalue the market, but by joining a very stacked Warriors team, it was obvious he was hoping to tag along with a superteam (and get an easy ring) while he rehabbed.
Had this Warriors team won with an All-Star lineup, can you imagine how this would have affected free agency markets elsewhere? This is a major "poisoning of the well" moment, tempting athletes to take pay cuts, form superteams with friends on contenders, win a championship, and then cash out. Whatever parity that had existed would have been destroyed overnight all for the idea of an "easy ring". Although Cousins failed, the fact that he did not want to put in effort and hoped to just bandwagon on the Warriors to success paints him in a villainous light.
You should do Westbrook also. Beloved in OKC and hated in LA now for one season he played bad lol.
I do think the cavs should of done better to help lebron in his 1st stint but the way he left definitely made people hate him
This was such an awesome video, all you takes are spot on. A true NBA fan with exceptional taste! Additionally For KD and Kyrie it's gotten so bad that recently I've known casual basketball fans that won't even consider buying their sneakers. As Lebron moves past Kareem in the NBA All time scoring more and more pundits and fans will support his position as GOAT.
His legacy of team moves (and that time Super Mario stuffed his game winner at MSG) will remind us all that the real GOAT won 6 from 6 in Chicago.
andy hoops my idol
Rajon Rondo next video Andy Hoops 🙏🙏🙏
Simply put he was villianized because he joined not just another team but a stacked team that humiliated him(losing a 3-1 lead). He wasn't even happy there, they to push him to be tougher.
I do notice any team Bron joined.. good players kinda fell back 2 much assuming he would carry the load all the way
😂 your Karl Malone joke, I saw it coming 😂😂
Need a top 10 dpoy seasons video
Karl Malone bit had me dead lol
In a way, Kyrie Irving’s career is becoming similar to Stephon Marbury’s Nba career. They both burned their bridges with multiple teams with their off court drama. At least, Marbury eventually matured a bit and became a legend in China winning multiple CBA titles with the Beijing Ducks.
Nice.
ty
Now I know why Kyrie and KD are best friends
All sports hero's are Villan's to someone as well 😊👍
K.D. is and has been an exceptional athlete throughout the years. Let's not forget that he sent LeBron home empty handed twice in the championship and picked up 2 Finals MVPs.
Well when you have Steph Curry and Klay Thompson playing along with you it makes it easier
I see. You're a warriors fan. I give you that rings your organization and city deserves that. Because they're good in making basketball decisions. That's why kd saw the opportunity to win easily. But don't get lost to the point that kd supposedly win the right way giving his superstar status. Him and bron are softies no matter how you look at it, the difference is bron delivered a promise to his hometown and win 2 or 3 seasons after switching teams.
Honorable mention, Ben Simmons?
Rookie of the year, high expectations (LeBron comparisons) to demanding to be traded from the 76ers, not attempting a shot and now being labeled a lazy player that only cares about the money.
Wouldnt you demand a trade after your coach and number 1 player on the team threw you under the bus to cover their own butts? And with the Sixers crashing out in the 2nd round AGAIN without Simmons on the team I think its clear the Sixers were largely at fault.
@@stackhat8624 you’re clearly uninformed. In the same presser embiid blamed himself. Wouldn’t you wanna say something when a player doesn’t have a drive to win a title and is happy collecting a paycheck instead of improving year after year? Especially when he was roy and a number one pick?
@@alexescutia4805 wow, what a team mate you'd be?
Sure, I would want to say something ... IN PRIVATE. Not to some reporter.
In 2019-20 season before pandemic showed up:unicorn center vs Texas foundation of hope (Glyndon Warren notorious aka gdubb went from a popular to a number#1 public enemy villain and same year kingdom life CDC vs Texas foundation of hope)Glyndon Warren notorious aka gdubb has been booed every arena ever since?
I don't think that Dwight has ever been considered a villain, he just dropped from that all-time great status he had in Orlando
Paul George. From rise to stardom to breaking his leg. All of a sudden he got a name "Pandemic P".
You either retire a hero or you play long enough to see yourself become the villain
09:55 where did the KD comparison come from? 🤣🤣
KD was horrible at creating burner accounts
Y’know the saying “You either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain,” well for LeBron, he’s been in the league so long that he’s done the cycle twice. Started out the hero of Cleveland, then the Miami villain, then back to the hero of Cleveland while simultaneously being the villain of the Eastern Conference, then the hero of LA and then the villain of LA for his LeGM moves.
KD embraced the internet.. now if he did right or not is a question but him having burners is one of the best things about KD
Harden, Russ, Dejounte Murray maybe lol
Chris Paul?
Undersized point guard the dragged his hornets to relevancy. Then made the clippers contenders but started becoming known for all of the underhanded stuff he does on the court
If we are being honest. Most if not all nba superstars can be considered villains. there will always be haters no matter what they did or where they came from
Dwight Howard reputation to became a hero again return when he back to LA help the Lakers Championship in the bubble
His ring is real but with or without kd they would’ve won so I would say he was more handed those rings until he win it on his team I can’t respect it
Agreed
Calling Kyrie a modern day AI is accurate, for the good AND the bad. If you remember, Andy, (I believe you also made a video describing it) Allen was picked apart by the media. For his stance on practice, how he dressed and wore his hair, his play style.. all of it. Steven A even recalls writing a story that was negative about him.
The difference is, for whatever reason, AI was still revered by fans and players alike.
Kyrie isn’t. It’s weird lol I don’t really see them as different. I guess “loyalty” is sooooo important nowadays (even tho dame gets torn apart for staying loyal all the time)
Kyrie-Drama effect 🤣😅😂
KD fans should be ashamed of themselves
6:03 it seems like n Orlando he could b gas n peace but once he hit L.A. it became a problem 😕
Malone is a menace on and off the court
I miss the SuperSonics
KD going to Golden State was a bitch move!
Says a b.itch
KD became the ultimate villain. You don’t join a 73 win team where your basically gift wrapped a championship. That’s something that you just don’t do.
Not only that they whipped him the previous year if jordan was to go to the pistons when they kept losing no one is considering mj the goat
Those two years in GSW earned him a spot in the top 15 all time arguably top 12, that he wouldn’t be without those chips and fmvps. So I guess it was a success.
I'm a warriors team and I forgot KD played for the team.
Troydan has to react at this, his reaction will be hilarious.
How can people trash a guy who plays through a *BACK* injury and teams would turn around and say he wasn’t professional if he acted different around the coach and a guy who smiles is a problem😑
Dejounte Murray must have known you were making that list and tried to rush making it.
Yea after I found out about that Karl Malone mess, I start looking at him different. That is nasty
2015 cavs where the favorite to win,gsw was the underdog..
I think Steph Curry could be see as a hero who turned to villain to hero again
Same for Kawhi
Steph was a hero during the first title, then with the boring of seen the Warriors win, he became a villain, with KD
Then, with the brave lost in 2019, then the return to the top in 2022, he became a hero again
For Kawhi... Simple, he became a villain when he left the Spurs after his injuries and argue with Pop. And he became a hero a second later, in Toronto.
And now, with the (uneffective) load management with the Clippers, he become slowly but surely a villain
KD show it : people love underdogs, and hate people when they destroy the competition
as a spurs fan where is Kawhi Leonard on this list lol
Dwight's expectations going to the Lakers was they will re-hire Phil Jackson.
I guess Vince carter when he left the raptors
Hakim is a Monster.