Dear downed players. Please skip revive if your surrounded by enemies. I'm tired of going for revives and I see enemies aiming at you, waiting for someone like me to come along and also die. Regards, Medic
Tevfik N dear medic. Git gud. Regards, downed player. Piss taking aside though, yeah if there is like 3+ enemies and the medic appears to be solo you should probably back off but if there is only one or two or the medic is close with a squad of friendlies then a degree of competency is expected (enough to handle 1 or 2 players). Seen way too many medics die to one guy with a pistol.
Seems a bit odd, I know. But actually holding the mp28 with a underhanded grip was a huge advantage shooting from the kneeling position. By holding their hand under the mag, they can rest their elbow on their knee when kneeling. This results in improved accuracy.
YES .. for fucks sake .. YES .. the SMG's they have are WORTHLESS and outclassed by EVERY gun in the game at every distance except maybe snipers upclose!
Jack I beg you, use your power and influence to urge Dice not to change the TTK but rather fix the glitches surrounding TTD. I really think that changing it wouldn't be good for the game. Westie already made a video about it, if you do one I'm sure it will get someone's attention. Anyway thanks for the awesome content.
Will you shut up about it? They havent even said what they are thinking about changing. Nothing is confirmed. Quit making it a big deal until they give us some info and then complain.
0:17 I still don't know how some players can see others from far away with regular x1, x1.25, or x.1.5 easily. Do they practice "finding Waldo very often. :)
The way the soldier holds the MP28 is actually accurate, as most soldier held it that way in WW2. There are some images of soldiers holding it that way, and if you try it you'll find it surprisingly comfortable and natural
I can't imagine, just image yourself holding a bicycle that way. Comfortable? Nope. No one holds it that way. Dice only did this to provide something "new" and odd in Battlefield.
You have to realise that the way soldiers use the SMG's in real life is nothing like we use them in BF5. Soldiers dont run non stop run and gunning every enemy they see in super close CQC. That might be a comfortable position for someone whos more stationary, but if you keep running around that's not a comfortable way to hold it. Just my 2 cents
thats because you miss playing a OP class.... dmg output NEEDS to be limited with the healing ability of the medic class this is the first time playing as a medic feels satisfying in BF, bc it can actually be challenging to dominate
The MP28 was held that way because you can pull it back into your shoulder to maintain control over it when firing. If it’s held the way the MP18 was, you tend to pull the weapon upwards instead of in your shoulder pocket. I had the luxury of shooting a Sten before and I held it the way the animation shows for the MP28 and it’s insanely comfortable.
i actually like to have the way it is now much more.... it sucked to only have rifles in the medicv class. now you can actually defend yourself if you try to revive somebody and an enemy is close range... and if the enemys are far away jsut pop a smoke :D
Ive spent most of my time as medic because most medic don't know how to use smoke, revive and support their team as back up but these guns are so ass I'm ready to give up on this class
I think the sten and mp40 are really good, but I feel you about the medic choice. No one knows how to use them so I say screw it, I'll do it myself haha
I think they should simply buff the minimum damage up to 15 and maybe just slightly decrease the recoil so its better at range since the spread is actually quite decent
I agree as well, my main thing with it is I’ve died to a Sten close range even if I’ve gotten the first shot too many times to count now. They need to do something that would differentiate the two. They’re practically the same weapon but they look different
When you were talking about the MP28 and how it’s held, it reminded me about a story my great grandfather told me when he was in the Royal Engineers. He said that they would hold the Sten gun that way because if you held it like a normal gun, you could get your fingers taken off by the ejector (thing that shoots bullet casings out)
Ben Hodgin I shot the stem with my hand over the mag and that wasn’t a worry for me. Unless the normal grip is holding the bottom of the barrel/ receiver area.
The MP18 (the MP28 is basically an MP18, just with a semi-auto option) was mostly held in 2 ways: Like this mainly when crouching (or when there is somewhere to rest on) so you could rest our elbow on your leg that is sticking up (or anywhere you can rest it otherwhis), or when from underneath the barrel like the STEN.
the mp28 weird grip would help with recoil allowing you to pull the front down rather than using your wrist at a angle, it would also of allowed you to keep your mag's facing down allowing water to drain out and less dirt to get in improving reliability
That is actually the historically correct way to hold the MP18/MP28/etc. They were commonly held hand under the magazine well and at least in WWI taught to fire from the knee.
The class might feel a bit less powered at first, but give it some time. It's also a class where you're going to level up the quickest. DICE also improved SMG damage and accuracy a bit to make it feel less cumbersome. If you're on a squad with another medic, sky is the limit. I do miss the long range rifles, though. It's like DICE switched the weapons of Medic and Assault from BF1 to BFV.
I love the medic guns, no matter what people say. It’s medics and engineers all day baby. Now actual comments on the video. I would like to say, thanks for showing our weapons some love. This video focuses on how to spec to get kills, not necessarily how to fulfill the medic role, and the clips reflect that in how there are a lot of missed res opportunities. I personally spec my medic weapons almost exclusively towards hip-fire and/or larger magazines as most of my engagements are at a closer range as I try to clear the area around someone I’m going to res. Overall though, great video.
Just a little note on the MP40, I've noticed the bottom left (recoil buffer) feels alot better vs the horizontal decrease. Makes the gun feel like it has damn near zero recoil up or to the sides, alternatively going full hip fire spec is also really Awesome on it. Makes the hip fire assignments alot easier. Great video man, keep em coming! Any plans on medic tips vid? Currently my favorite class mainly because of the challenges due to the weak guns.
It did during the war. But a drum mag is a complicated bit of gear and requires alot of maintenace and it is difficult and expensive to produce. The Finns had the issue of having enough ammo but not enough round drum magazines for the Suomi. Because of the already mentioned issues that came with a drum magazine.
Be nice if the increased ammo gave you the drum mag. rate of fire was faster but yep it is a game. Imagine if the player shouted perkele or saatana or something when you used it.
5:02 when the soldier was in a stationary or kneeling position they could put their arm down on their knee or on a an object to allow for more stability
Its definitely possible to slay as a medic. You just have to understand your limitations and powers. Play with smoke grenades & the smoke rifle. They allow you to close the range on enemies.
So, the veredict is: Sten or the MP40 for close to medium ranges; the MP20 for close range; the suomi for rushing player style; and the Tommy Gun to feel like Al Capone? PS: use hipfire all the time
@@damiansaucedo9951 I honestly couldn't tell you since so far I have only used the Sten and then MP40, between the two of them the MP40 has much better range imo
@@izzyk2950 Yah, it looks like I'll be sticking with the Sten till I unlock the MP40. I need range, maybe there will be attachments that will allow that for the Sten. I couldn't stand the other guns from the beta. Accuracy over fire rate. This isn't cod after all ;) lol
Just by trying it if you hold the MP28 like they do in the game, you can feel your arm flexing way more than if it was reversed, the arm being closer to the body rather than having the elbow in the open. This would probably help in controlling recoil and weapon movement when firing.
I use the mp40 , got it all gold its my baby. But it needs a buff , it was better in the beta. They need to nerf the KE7 freaking OP as hell. And jack please tell Dice not to change the TTK its really good , if they change it itll ruin the experience..WE ONLY NEED THE TTD and GLITCHES FIXED!
9:40 close range weapons, like smgs and assault rifles can actually be really fun on Hamada, as people aren’t equipped to handle you at close range so it’s super easy to get kills
With taking the right upgrade tree for the MP40 the gun ends up having slightly better Control stats(compared to the Sten) which helps keep bullets from deviating as much
Soldiers were trained to hold the MP-28 (also MP-18) to hold it under-handed in this manner; this is primarily because you can naturally physiologically support the weight of the side-mounted magazine more efficiently to counter the imbalance having the weight of an off-set magazine presents; this is especially true when shooting from the knee; with the palm up on the magazine, it is easier to get a good solid shooting position, as (again) this method will better counter weight imbalance and one can achieve a better, proper crouched/shooting from the knee position by allowing a more secure weld of forearm-to-knee firing position. Holding the MP-18 (ESPECIALLY with a Trommel or drum magazine) with the palm down means you are trying to pull the weight up with more work being done by the off-hand wrist, forearm, and shoulder; holding SMG's like this with the palm up means you are exerting less force to stabilize the weapon as doing so reduces the work the small muscle groups are doing by placing more of the load on larger muscle groups, ultimately materializing into less fatigue over time and a favorable shooting stance.
Tried to use it in beta for Lee-Enfield. It is completely joke. With current TTK you will end being killed even with pistol by time you come close to the enemy. Even returned strafing from pre-nerfed BF1`s charge cant help.
Had a few situations where I've shoveled people that I probably could have bayonetted them instead, but generally no it's not something I'd try and get kills with.
I've been a medic in every Battlefield. I'm always one of the most active medics in a battle. However, in this game, I just outright refuse. I just can't stand using SMG's for this class. Man, do I miss all-kit weapons...
I feel you, man. I've always been a medic, but I absolutely hate SMGs. Medics are the only class without another weapon type option. Please give back the Semi-Auto rifles!
@@Rcurran13 unlimited heals are OP as fuck (the main reason why you want to play medic class), SMGs are viable at all relevant ranges (just slightly harder to use than ARs at long ranges) if you want more fire power, play assault ffs
Great video. Appreciate your input. I'm a big fan of the SMGs in this game, even if they are a challenge sometimes to use against other weapons. Like you said, it's all about play style for the medic & playing to each weapons strength. My two favorites are the STEN & the Tommy Gun. They offer a variety of play styles for me, both aggressive or defensive. Honestly I just really enjoy the sounds & animations they have on screen as well. I look forward to seeing your thoughts on the other weapons in the game. Thanks mate.
No problem at long range? Even with 50 mag and all recoil upgrades that thing tends to kick in random horizontal directions and messes up your aim. Do you switch to single fire or is it aim assist on consoles?
This is excellent comparison info on the assault class weapons. Compared to the other class of weapons its very difficult to rez people since you're typically over powered by everyone else at medium to long range. If I can I will pick up a recon sniper rifle from downed enemies when playing medic. It's super fun but all I really want is a smidge more damage for the slow firing SMGs.
GentleBen it’s difficult actively touch someone and revive them (up close and personal)... because you’re not able to deal with people at range is you’re complaint right? You’re a fucking medic. Your job has nothing to do with those ranges. Your priority should be picking people up and keeping them alive and DICE give you the tools to be even a remotely competent medic right off the bat with a needle and a smoke launcher. Give them an AR or any weapon that can deal damage that those ranges effectively and the vast majority of medics forget their role in the team. This way, medics, can stay alive by being decent up close if they’re rushed while reviving or pushing to get the revive... and the better players will be able to get those weapon’s ranges out to at least medium range (if you can’t then that’s not on DICE).
What they did to Suomi-KP is criminal. Not only it's one of the most period accurate SMGs ever and applauded for that, it also had massive amount of firepower. A technical marvel. In BF V it's depiction is just mind boggling.
from what I've seen support players only have two tactics; the first tactic is that as soon as a battle erupts they pop smoke and two or three of the maggots get into a prone position and wait for the smoke to clear. After the smoke clears they sit prone and gun everyone down in the area. The second support tactic is that they sit on a ridge like a BF1 sniper for five hours and gun down people who stand still for 3-4 seconds.
Mostly all of em are UP, but MP40,Sten are alright. I've unlocked the Tommy gun and it's freaking good...Dice just need to buff smgs a little bit and should be ok
The Suomi is my favorite gun in the game hands down. Extended magazine just shreds everything. I also like how you can kinda make it look like a modern MP5.
I think dice giving the medic quad SMG it’s perfect because it forces the medic to be in the fight it really doesn’t give you any other option then to be close to the battle which in turn makes you revive more players. But I think they have to do something about weapons variants because every class has at least two options to weapon and the medic only gets one there has to be something else.
Agreed. I revive way more in BFV than in BF1. In BF1, the medic sort of felt like a sniper who can heal himself. Less incentive to stick with your squad.
@@WarlordRising What you're saying about medics in BF1 is pretty true. I did like it in BF1 because it was a way to try and counter snipers, which were everywhere. Now I just get sniped and can't do much beside run into a smoke grenade.
that mp28 holding is actually how soldiers held the mp18 in ww1 to rest their elbow on the knee for more control over recoil. It was cool to see that in bfv & sth I hoped dice would do with mp18 in bf1. The mp34 holding was used as well
Jack on the mp28 troops were taught to hold the weapon as demonstrated as it helped prevent the mag release button being pressed, a common problem with the weapon. :)
Reason for the in game model holding the gun like that isn’t because real application (but they did hold it like this) it’s because this method of recoil control was promoted with this firearm. I think Dice was just having fun. Most soldiers understood that holding from the mag was odd but it worked.
1:32 sten spec-tree
3:16 suomi spec-tree
4:28 mp40 spec-tree
5:58 mp28 spec-tree
7:06 emp spec-tree
8:09 mp34 spec-tree
9:45 tommy gun spec-tree
Life Time Saver!
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What’s the best one to use?
Thanks mate
@@igotmadand the Tommy gun. Having the shortest barrel you can easily place it against your temple for a comfortable yet quick suicide
Dear downed players. Please skip revive if your surrounded by enemies. I'm tired of going for revives and I see enemies aiming at you, waiting for someone like me to come along and also die. Regards, Medic
Tevfik N dear medic. Git gud. Regards, downed player.
Piss taking aside though, yeah if there is like 3+ enemies and the medic appears to be solo you should probably back off but if there is only one or two or the medic is close with a squad of friendlies then a degree of competency is expected (enough to handle 1 or 2 players). Seen way too many medics die to one guy with a pistol.
Tevfik N
I would recommend you to just ignore some players it’s hard to do that as a dedicated medic but it’ll save you in the long run.
Tevfik N also when medic, pop smoke
James West tbh considering that you are the one downed by the guy, sounds like you’re the one that needs 2 git gud lol
Yeah right some medics will come to where you are downed, kill everyone, then run out the door!
Seems a bit odd, I know. But actually holding the mp28 with a underhanded grip was a huge advantage shooting from the kneeling position. By holding their hand under the mag, they can rest their elbow on their knee when kneeling. This results in improved accuracy.
yes, but you would never hold it that way standing up
rodmongodwood not you but at that time yes there are even images of soldiers holding that way
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That was the standard way of holding it to prevent as much recoil as possible.
Another reason is that they couldn’t hold the barrel bc they’d burn their hand so yes your right!
Jack you gotta put that drum mag on the tommy gun. You get to run around the battlefield feeling like al capone.
well yes but actually no... u also need to change grip
Medics should get carbines as a second weapon type.
Agreed
The carabines leaked in BFV are basically the same carabine pistols from BF1's Tanker/Pilot classes.... *are you sure about that?*
@@IlConteSky I'm pretty sure he means guns like the M1A1 Carbine that's already in the game. Which I agree with, it would be a good fit for Medic.
YES .. for fucks sake .. YES .. the SMG's they have are WORTHLESS and outclassed by EVERY gun in the game at every distance except maybe snipers upclose!
Ethan Frederick S H O T G U N S. Why does support have shotguns!?
Jack I beg you, use your power and influence to urge Dice not to change the TTK but rather fix the glitches surrounding TTD. I really think that changing it wouldn't be good for the game. Westie already made a video about it, if you do one I'm sure it will get someone's attention. Anyway thanks for the awesome content.
Armbarking2814 Gaming I hope bfv doesn’t end up like bf1 (ttk)
Amen
Will you shut up about it? They havent even said what they are thinking about changing. Nothing is confirmed. Quit making it a big deal until they give us some info and then complain.
Sometimes I get 6-8 shot kills with full auto guns from the assault class at med range, so I wouldn’t mind some tweaking.
@@claystar9valor bro I was joking about that they should not need the ttk like it's perfectly fin
5:11 talks about weird animation for holding weapon while killing someone and reloading at the same time. Very nice 👌
0:17 I still don't know how some players can see others from far away with regular x1, x1.25, or x.1.5 easily. Do they practice "finding Waldo very often. :)
5:14
Soldier: f*** it who needs magazines in a gun
The way the soldier holds the MP28 is actually accurate, as most soldier held it that way in WW2. There are some images of soldiers holding it that way, and if you try it you'll find it surprisingly comfortable and natural
Giovanni Ruffinoni yeah..... but it's still ugly to look at.
RoninSenpai - War is ugly
@@Nakama0009 How?
I can't imagine, just image yourself holding a bicycle that way. Comfortable? Nope. No one holds it that way. Dice only did this to provide something "new" and odd in Battlefield.
You have to realise that the way soldiers use the SMG's in real life is nothing like we use them in BF5. Soldiers dont run non stop run and gunning every enemy they see in super close CQC. That might be a comfortable position for someone whos more stationary, but if you keep running around that's not a comfortable way to hold it. Just my 2 cents
I miss semi-automatic rifles in this class.
@New text document. They are, but I got used to play as a medium-range-sniper-medic so much in BF1 with the Mondragón that it feels weird.
Medics were overused that's why
Having all smgs in this class makes no sense
Bring back the auto-extended or give medics the carbines and I think that would help.
thats because you miss playing a OP class.... dmg output NEEDS to be limited with the healing ability of the medic class
this is the first time playing as a medic feels satisfying in BF, bc it can actually be challenging to dominate
The MP28 was held that way because you can pull it back into your shoulder to maintain control over it when firing. If it’s held the way the MP18 was, you tend to pull the weapon upwards instead of in your shoulder pocket. I had the luxury of shooting a Sten before and I held it the way the animation shows for the MP28 and it’s insanely comfortable.
No semi auto guns in the medic class = a very sad medic main
For me it's ok, the SMG are really helpful when I revive teammates in flags, maybe 1 or 2 semiautomatic rifle can help but I'm ok for now
For real!!! Makes me miss BF1 big time!!!! Do we unlock any as we progress to higher medic levels???
i actually like to have the way it is now much more.... it sucked to only have rifles in the medicv class.
now you can actually defend yourself if you try to revive somebody and an enemy is close range... and if the enemys are far away jsut pop a smoke :D
max musslmann I agree, but literally if there was just ONE SLR in the medic class then we could have best of both worlds
Hipfire god SMGs = a very happy medic main - a medic main
Ive spent most of my time as medic because most medic don't know how to use smoke, revive and support their team as back up but these guns are so ass I'm ready to give up on this class
Same, at least the sten is really satisfying when you land those headshots
i feel like the sten is the only semi viable weapon, but still gets dominated close range by assault and support class
I think the sten and mp40 are really good, but I feel you about the medic choice. No one knows how to use them so I say screw it, I'll do it myself haha
sten is daddy xd
As a medic I run into the field regardless if there's a tank nearby with or without smoke I'll always have you're back- medic joe
the mp40 needs a buff, the rate of fire is low and the accuracy is quite poor beyond about 20m
Agree!
Fully specialized the MP40 is quite good at close and medium range
I think they should simply buff the minimum damage up to 15 and maybe just slightly decrease the recoil so its better at range since the spread is actually quite decent
@@YoChocolate yeah they don't want to turn it into the Thompson like how they did in Cod ww2
I agree as well, my main thing with it is I’ve died to a Sten close range even if I’ve gotten the first shot too many times to count now. They need to do something that would differentiate the two. They’re practically the same weapon but they look different
The Tommy gun is insane!
When you were talking about the MP28 and how it’s held, it reminded me about a story my great grandfather told me when he was in the Royal Engineers. He said that they would hold the Sten gun that way because if you held it like a normal gun, you could get your fingers taken off by the ejector (thing that shoots bullet casings out)
Ben Hodgin I shot the stem with my hand over the mag and that wasn’t a worry for me. Unless the normal grip is holding the bottom of the barrel/ receiver area.
5:12 - Enemies just run right past each other
NZHP sometimes you need to spare each other
Christmas truce 1944
I really love the medic class,its wonderful but they have to work to upgrade a little bit the SMG's. I love being a medic!
The grammar amazes me. I’ve officially had a stroke reading that
My favorite class, I’ve been waiting for you to release for your medic class weapons suggestion video. Thanks dude
The MP18 (the MP28 is basically an MP18, just with a semi-auto option) was mostly held in 2 ways: Like this mainly when crouching (or when there is somewhere to rest on) so you could rest our elbow on your leg that is sticking up (or anywhere you can rest it otherwhis), or when from underneath the barrel like the STEN.
the mp28 weird grip would help with recoil allowing you to pull the front down rather than using your wrist at a angle, it would also of allowed you to keep your mag's facing down allowing water to drain out and less dirt to get in improving reliability
Thank you, Jack! I needed this video! Been struggling with the new way the medic is set up.
That is actually the historically correct way to hold the MP18/MP28/etc. They were commonly held hand under the magazine well and at least in WWI taught to fire from the knee.
Waiting for ppsh-41 with 71 rounds drum mag and rush b
keep waiting... doubt we will ever see Eastern front content.
Jason Cocreham We all ready got pacific theatre? Why not eastern in the future?
Chapter 6: Winter War
Lets pray and hope
Lol cod added it in cold war
Pain
Even in World War One the mp18 was actually held the way the mp28 is in battlefield 5, it was just incorrectly held in bf1
Correct is how you make it work.
Medic has been my favorite class since...ever. Thanks for the video, Jack.
The class might feel a bit less powered at first, but give it some time. It's also a class where you're going to level up the quickest. DICE also improved SMG damage and accuracy a bit to make it feel less cumbersome. If you're on a squad with another medic, sky is the limit. I do miss the long range rifles, though. It's like DICE switched the weapons of Medic and Assault from BF1 to BFV.
thank you for the video,this really helped me
BFV has 99 problems but ttk ain't one.
I love the medic guns, no matter what people say. It’s medics and engineers all day baby. Now actual comments on the video. I would like to say, thanks for showing our weapons some love. This video focuses on how to spec to get kills, not necessarily how to fulfill the medic role, and the clips reflect that in how there are a lot of missed res opportunities. I personally spec my medic weapons almost exclusively towards hip-fire and/or larger magazines as most of my engagements are at a closer range as I try to clear the area around someone I’m going to res. Overall though, great video.
Just a little note on the MP40,
I've noticed the bottom left (recoil buffer) feels alot better vs the horizontal decrease. Makes the gun feel like it has damn near zero recoil up or to the sides, alternatively going full hip fire spec is also really Awesome on it. Makes the hip fire assignments alot easier. Great video man, keep em coming! Any plans on medic tips vid? Currently my favorite class mainly because of the challenges due to the weak guns.
Why tf is dice changing the ttk, it’s perfect smh
ThatHalfLatino if bfv ttk ends up like bf1..........I swear!
It’s the way they nerf certain guns but buffed others the sten and KE7 are to good while the others in the class aren’t as good
@@heyant7753 probably the same reason why they changed it in bf4
Maybe theyre buffing the medic guns you tool
I hate it, I’ve died so many times in a split second right when I spawn with squad mates, it’s annoying
Suomi kp should have drum mag
It did during the war. But a drum mag is a complicated bit of gear and requires alot of maintenace and it is difficult and expensive to produce. The Finns had the issue of having enough ammo but not enough round drum magazines for the Suomi. Because of the already mentioned issues that came with a drum magazine.
@@MrHestichs we're talking about the game not real life
Yeah. Surprising oversight by DICE. I can see them patching it in though.
Be nice if the increased ammo gave you the drum mag. rate of fire was faster but yep it is a game. Imagine if the player shouted perkele or saatana or something when you used it.
Suomi mainittu
5:02 when the soldier was in a stationary or kneeling position they could put their arm down on their knee or on a an object to allow for more stability
I have no idea why jack's video playing with smgs can kick some ass, while i got my ass kicked and out gunned by other classes when i use medic
Class is not the problem... :-)
Because every gun is a beast when it's in Jacks hands lol
gotta hit your shots.
Its definitely possible to slay as a medic. You just have to understand your limitations and powers. Play with smoke grenades & the smoke rifle. They allow you to close the range on enemies.
@@splinter360 until an stg or a drilling (or any other shotgun if the initial shot isnt missed) comes around the corner hell maybe even an mg 42
I hated the Mp28 at first but once I unlocked a few specs I really started to enjoy it. It seems to get better burst shots than other smgs.
So, the veredict is:
Sten or the MP40 for close to medium ranges;
the MP20 for close range;
the suomi for rushing player style;
and the Tommy Gun to feel like Al Capone?
PS: use hipfire all the time
Bruh thanks for being a channel that is actually uploading the game
I love the MP40 maxed out honestly, good hip fire and decent at mid range.
What gun has the longest range for medic class?
@@damiansaucedo9951 I honestly couldn't tell you since so far I have only used the Sten and then MP40, between the two of them the MP40 has much better range imo
@@izzyk2950 Yah, it looks like I'll be sticking with the Sten till I unlock the MP40. I need range, maybe there will be attachments that will allow that for the Sten. I couldn't stand the other guns from the beta. Accuracy over fire rate. This isn't cod after all ;) lol
Good video! Continue with the epic content, jack! I'm really enjoying it!
"I want the Tommy gun to look like a Tommy gun"
*Doesn't use drum mag*
also u need to change grip..... and yeah it looks like tommy gun even if u dont use drum mazagine and he was talking about optics not magazine
Just by trying it if you hold the MP28 like they do in the game, you can feel your arm flexing way more than if it was reversed, the arm being closer to the body rather than having the elbow in the open. This would probably help in controlling recoil and weapon movement when firing.
Damn he just savagely hip firing everyone.
I miss the rifle type guns we had in BF1. Medic was probably my favorite class.
At 2:52 you have 0 health. How?? lol
Hacks Maybe?
Or a glitch
Vシャドウサムライ not hacks...
You sir, got a me. I'm a follower now. Really like you're video's. The info is really great.
I use the mp40 , got it all gold its my baby. But it needs a buff , it was better in the beta. They need to nerf the KE7 freaking OP as hell. And jack please tell Dice not to change the TTK its really good , if they change it itll ruin the experience..WE ONLY NEED THE TTD and GLITCHES FIXED!
@@smokingcrab2290 No , the 1st 3 weapons you start with assault , medic and support are OP and BS
Appreciate these videos, Jack! Good stuff.
Wow, jackfrags channel should be a great information for DICE to improve BF V in the future
I never want to have to play against you. You’re a machine at this game!
When you’re so early you have to settle for 360p
9:40 close range weapons, like smgs and assault rifles can actually be really fun on Hamada, as people aren’t equipped to handle you at close range so it’s super easy to get kills
The Tommy gun without 50 round magazine jack you alright 🤔😳🙊
Edit: thx for 184 likes this is the most likes i got 😍🤗
Ari Saman actually, not a lot of soldiers use the 50 round Drum magazine, because of increased weight, and noise. But some people still used it.
Its not about history, it is simply more efficient with 50 bullets, as is the suomi.
The 3 Fr33m4nn We're talking about the game not real life history...
yep, i go full magazin + recoil controle
i wanted to seee the tommy gun with a grip on it :((
With taking the right upgrade tree for the MP40 the gun ends up having slightly better Control stats(compared to the Sten) which helps keep bullets from deviating as much
Never clicked off minecraft so fast
Mr adams i know its you.
Fuck BFV. Oh well, back to Fortnite.
Bruh
@@eternal_napalm6442 back to gayness
@@eternal_napalm6442 hold up this must be sarcasm right
Was just about to play some BFV, but hey gotta get my daily dose of Jack Frags nam saying. Keep it up Jackey!!
2:52 *he had 0 hp!* *still alive*
Soldiers were trained to hold the MP-28 (also MP-18) to hold it under-handed in this manner; this is primarily because you can naturally physiologically support the weight of the side-mounted magazine more efficiently to counter the imbalance having the weight of an off-set magazine presents; this is especially true when shooting from the knee; with the palm up on the magazine, it is easier to get a good solid shooting position, as (again) this method will better counter weight imbalance and one can achieve a better, proper crouched/shooting from the knee position by allowing a more secure weld of forearm-to-knee firing position. Holding the MP-18 (ESPECIALLY with a Trommel or drum magazine) with the palm down means you are trying to pull the weight up with more work being done by the off-hand wrist, forearm, and shoulder; holding SMG's like this with the palm up means you are exerting less force to stabilize the weapon as doing so reduces the work the small muscle groups are doing by placing more of the load on larger muscle groups, ultimately materializing into less fatigue over time and a favorable shooting stance.
Jack please tell dice 🎲 not to change ttk plz jack, this move by dice is unacceptable
Dodge Vruggink what is ttk?
Time to kill they are going to make it so it takes more ammunition to kill. So it’s going to turn into cod lol
I really love the assault and medic weapon overview you did! Waiting for the support and recon weapon overview!!
No one's gonna use the bayonet. They need to change that perk on the trees. Who would select that over increased accuracy?
A iron sighted sniper maybe , not going for long distances you can do away with it.
Tried to use it in beta for Lee-Enfield. It is completely joke. With current TTK you will end being killed even with pistol by time you come close to the enemy. Even returned strafing from pre-nerfed BF1`s charge cant help.
Had a few situations where I've shoveled people that I probably could have bayonetted them instead, but generally no it's not something I'd try and get kills with.
Men would.
being I already have 568 bayonet kills in Bf5, I would say I use it.
I like the Thompson with the 50 rd drum with less horizontal recoil and a hipfire bonus at the end. Great for flanking
I've been a medic in every Battlefield. I'm always one of the most active medics in a battle. However, in this game, I just outright refuse. I just can't stand using SMG's for this class. Man, do I miss all-kit weapons...
get good.... medic has always been the best and easiest class in BF, now it is still THE BEST but not the easiest anymore
I feel you, man. I've always been a medic, but I absolutely hate SMGs. Medics are the only class without another weapon type option. Please give back the Semi-Auto rifles!
DarknessInferno15 Yea Smgs are my least favorite type of guns in BF, I hope they get another weapon type like Carbines.
@@smithwick1710 its most certainly not the best class, its by far the worst because the guns are trash. I have a 4 k/d. Medic is garbage in this game.
@@Rcurran13 unlimited heals are OP as fuck (the main reason why you want to play medic class), SMGs are viable at all relevant ranges (just slightly harder to use than ARs at long ranges)
if you want more fire power, play assault ffs
Great video. Appreciate your input. I'm a big fan of the SMGs in this game, even if they are a challenge sometimes to use against other weapons. Like you said, it's all about play style for the medic & playing to each weapons strength. My two favorites are the STEN & the Tommy Gun. They offer a variety of play styles for me, both aggressive or defensive. Honestly I just really enjoy the sounds & animations they have on screen as well.
I look forward to seeing your thoughts on the other weapons in the game.
Thanks mate.
Suomi when upgraded properly is by far the best gun for medics and one of the best in the game. Long range is no problem with right upgrades
True
and how you upgrade it?
No problem at long range? Even with 50 mag and all recoil upgrades that thing tends to kick in random horizontal directions and messes up your aim. Do you switch to single fire or is it aim assist on consoles?
@@FunLion single bullets and aim for the head
@@FunLion How do you switch to single fire on console (PS4) ?
Thanks for explaining the strengths, this will help my gameplay
Hopefully they don't change the ttk!!!!
These really helped. Thank you jack 👌🏼
Best medic gun? Liberator!
It's too OP DICE plz nerf
Revolver*
Thank you very much I just wrote off all the medic guns immediately but I'll give them all a good couple hours now :D
Make Battlefield Great Again
MeatVision can’t make something that is already grate
This is excellent comparison info on the assault class weapons. Compared to the other class of weapons its very difficult to rez people since you're typically over powered by everyone else at medium to long range. If I can I will pick up a recon sniper rifle from downed enemies when playing medic. It's super fun but all I really want is a smidge more damage for the slow firing SMGs.
GentleBen it’s difficult actively touch someone and revive them (up close and personal)... because you’re not able to deal with people at range is you’re complaint right?
You’re a fucking medic. Your job has nothing to do with those ranges. Your priority should be picking people up and keeping them alive and DICE give you the tools to be even a remotely competent medic right off the bat with a needle and a smoke launcher. Give them an AR or any weapon that can deal damage that those ranges effectively and the vast majority of medics forget their role in the team.
This way, medics, can stay alive by being decent up close if they’re rushed while reviving or pushing to get the revive... and the better players will be able to get those weapon’s ranges out to at least medium range (if you can’t then that’s not on DICE).
5:14 wtf is that?!?
Borked animation Lol
historical accuracy lol
What they did to Suomi-KP is criminal. Not only it's one of the most period accurate SMGs ever and applauded for that, it also had massive amount of firepower. A technical marvel. In BF V it's depiction is just mind boggling.
The "Sturmgewehr" is actually pronounced shturmgewer :D
LGND you mean it’s sh-turm-gew-er
Cause that’s not how it’s pronounced
Yes, that's literally what I wrote
Also im Austrian so I should know
You help alot on the guns bc I play the game on console I started to get into the specs of the guns and u helped out alot information on the game
you should play battlefront 2 when the big geonosis update comes out!
I bought that game for like 5 bucks I couldn't even find a full server
from what I've seen support players only have two tactics; the first tactic is that as soon as a battle erupts they pop smoke and two or three of the maggots get into a prone position and wait for the smoke to clear. After the smoke clears they sit prone and gun everyone down in the area. The second support tactic is that they sit on a ridge like a BF1 sniper for five hours and gun down people who stand still for 3-4 seconds.
should i get BO5 or wait?
Blump Get it 👍
Dont you mean Bo4
BOttlefield?
Wait for sale.
Great vid Jack - thanks for posting.
Dice changing ttk!?!?
They are fixing ttd, not ttk :P
@@montecarlo8325 no they're changing ttk
y tho
Mors 3000
ttk is already good
Damn, you went like full Lieutenant Spiers with that Thompson on Hamada. Awesome.
2 views 11 likes wow
I was going to say the same thing 🤔😆
I don't think RUclips counts the people who can view it before the rest of us as "views"
Thank you!! I used the Sten today and I passed from 0.62 to 0.74 and made lot of kills
Medic gun sucks
@Smash I only play medic but really the guns is not the best they need to buff them
@@Chef22347 they're not going to the best live with it.
MP40 isn't
Eli Wilson You rank up the weapon and then you’ll get assignments to unlock each gold attachment.
Mostly all of em are UP, but MP40,Sten are alright. I've unlocked the Tommy gun and it's freaking good...Dice just need to buff smgs a little bit and should be ok
I love the grease gun. Super good gun for all-around medic players. I regularly drop 40 kills in Tactical Conquest with that gun
Kills shouldn’t bleed enemy tickets in conquest, it makes comebacks even harder and its called conquest not tdm
Don’t change TTK please
i like it
You mean TTK? TTD is bugged and needs changing
Rogue Reaver yeah i mean ttk
Changed it👍
Yeah , Conquest. Where a combination of flag points and deaths bleed your tickets. The mode you're talking about is capture the flag lol.
I enjoy it
You just got a new sub love your videos man keep it up 😁
Does anyone else hate how everyone uses the reflex sights in this game? :(
DICE basically copied that from CoD WWII
I refuse to use those sights. I only use iron or the 3x.
Eh no wtf?
Those things existed back in ww2 (but it was rarely used)
Do your fucking research before commenting
Steve mc CoD ww2 copied them from real life so...
Phillip Knuck who is telling you what to do bro? Reading is fundamental.
Because the sights good and offers good visibility....
The Suomi is my favorite gun in the game hands down. Extended magazine just shreds everything. I also like how you can kinda make it look like a modern MP5.
I think dice giving the medic quad SMG it’s perfect because it forces the medic to be in the fight it really doesn’t give you any other option then to be close to the battle which in turn makes you revive more players. But I think they have to do something about weapons variants because every class has at least two options to weapon and the medic only gets one there has to be something else.
Agreed. I revive way more in BFV than in BF1. In BF1, the medic sort of felt like a sniper who can heal himself. Less incentive to stick with your squad.
@@WarlordRising What you're saying about medics in BF1 is pretty true. I did like it in BF1 because it was a way to try and counter snipers, which were everywhere. Now I just get sniped and can't do much beside run into a smoke grenade.
that mp28 holding is actually how soldiers held the mp18 in ww1 to rest their elbow on the knee for more control over recoil. It was cool to see that in bfv & sth I hoped dice would do with mp18 in bf1. The mp34 holding was used as well
Ty for the info Jacky. Hardly touched the medic so its nice to know where to head with it :>
Great informative video, thanks Jack
Nice video Jack... By the way... Did you noticed you revive someone you actually killed? xD at 2:50
Jack on the mp28 troops were taught to hold the weapon as demonstrated as it helped prevent the mag release button being pressed, a common problem with the weapon. :)
Reason for the in game model holding the gun like that isn’t because real application (but they did hold it like this) it’s because this method of recoil control was promoted with this firearm. I think Dice was just having fun. Most soldiers understood that holding from the mag was odd but it worked.
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