And for their crimes against children as the children suffer more when the dads are gone. Society as a whole is now worse off as fatherless kids are significantly more likely to be anti-social, substance abusing, criminals plus they are five times more likely to die by suicide themselves.
I earn 1k a week gross.. After the tax man goverment cms take their money I'm left with 414£ a week.. just under 60% of my money goes missing... this country is an absolute joke
This is an outstanding investigation. It doesn't change circumstances immediately, but it helps to know one is not alone, nor a frightening statistic that is being ignored.
I gave 10500 pounds child maintenance in advance to my ex wife . She obviously agreed to this and sighed an agreement with my solicitor. Then she went an applied for child maintenance. So they enforced it on me I disagreed so they applied financial punishment of up to 31 percent of my wages before tax Then we went to an independent tribunal Obviously she won because the laws are totally against men So I gave up work I live at my parents and make 10 grand a year working part time doing barely anything But I get to see my kids all the time and enjoy my life with them I don't need money so screw the government and will make sure I bleed the government out of as much money as I can in my lifetime When I went in the job centred I now understand why so many middle age men don't work and just get benefits Off
Woke up this morning and the CMS have done there annual review of my wages at Tesco's it's going up by £156 more a month so I now pay £565 a month on a attachment to earnings order I'm left with £40/50 a month after bills No wonder men are taking their lives I can't afford to go and see my kids anymore and take them for a burger
Sorry to hear this my friend, its legalised extortion. The courts cms, solicitors all are in on it. Alienate man from his children, so the ex can spite you, weaponise the kids and then take your money. If you wanna see them you have to pay c100, solicitor fees, it's a big con. Many men are killing themselves. Don't let your ex win. I am in a similar fight
I was hounded by CSA and they robbed me of thousands of pounds, I couldn't buy decent food or have any holidays, back then there was talk of blocking your passport and driving licence for not paying, but that's a dumb idea, if you needed your car to commute how are you going to earn any money? I think the Civil Liberties Group stopped the passport blocking, as it's the same as taking your passport off you, and nobody is allowed to keep that, it's yours only.
This is a really interesting research. My view is that the CMS operate outside of the Equality Act. They have service standards or different processes. Around 90% of paying parents are male, where as 90% receiving are female. Yet the CMS have to get a case opened in days, yet, when the case is swopped, and the primary carer changes they have 14 weeks as a service standard. Why is that? Ignoring the Equality act.
A well investigated and thought through report Brian. Well done. I’m also one of the many loving fathers who are essentially in a financial prison. My Ex partner went through child maintenance to punish me as she didn’t get what she wanted, I have paid for years prior to child maintenance coming into the picture. When she put the application in she lied and stated I never look after them, completely false as I look after them all the time, only to get the highest paying bracket from me. I am happily settled in a new relationship and have a step daughter, my maintenance is £500 a month, I’m paying a mortgage off and left with next to nothing. While my ex partner who gets benefits/council house/legal aid and food vouchers to help also works cash in hand making thousands. Can child maintenance identify this isn’t about supporting children, it is a tool to punish loving paying parents who cannot have the life they want with there children due to Child maintenance. It is the biggest government authorised scam, all it is doing is punishing loving parents who cannot live a good quality of life with there children. Again this will fall on death ears, hence why the only escape is suicide, something needs to change.
I feel you your not alone the system is so rigger towards mums this is exactly why more men commit suicide over women! I'm confused how the government haven't addressed this. We're about to have another baby with my now wife. But that only takes 10 pound a month off. Yet I'm paying 330 for this other child with my ex wtf!!?
I'm ill with blood clots in my lungs... I've been off work with this potentially terminal illness since November 2022... The CMS keep overcharging me, adding arrears etc due to their system mistakes. In this relatively short period I've nearly lost my home and my life... I've never missed a payment in 10 years but I've spent no less than 30 hours on the phone with these people and have been promised time and time again that they will fix my bill. They haven't and it's causing me no end of stress... It's making me suicidal.. these people are the scum of the earth. Incompetent and cruel
You're a wonderment and what you've achieved, all be it not acted upon yet is fantastic. The correlations you've made are clear and compelling. I will be using this, with your approval in future to further my plight to out this vicious callous arm of the government.
I wonder if you could get a statistician to bless your results. You might like to look into some sociology for the dario stuff should you be seeking institutional recognition. The darvo stuff while a compelling metaphor ignores a body of literature.
It was early 1990's I'd just applied to divorce my wife, but my female Solicitor, said, you're not going to like this, a new maintenance operation is arriving called The Child Support Agency, taking away powers of Judges to set maintenance, we're all against this new proposal, so then the nightmare began, I was handed an attachment of earnings by my employers HR lady, she even appeared to look down on me and kind of enjoyed it. Looks like it hasn't changed much at all over the years.
Thanks for your very in depth report and guidance, was this attachment of earnings by employers subject to the same risk assessment criteria when it was called the CSA, child support agency? As they took my money directly from my wages in the early 1990's any help would be welcome, thanks.
Thank you for this. The CMS think that they are above the law. They just applied a DEO on my wages, which is £1500- after tax & N.I has been taken off. The CMS are taking £400 per month before I have paid tax & N.I- because they said that I am in “arrears” when I am not. They also did this without notifying me about it. I called my employer’s payroll department, & was told that “there is nothing we can do, we need to comply with what the CMS tell us” It’s genuinely putting me into financial hardship, as I have my regular bills etc to pay & I have another child that I support with my current partner (I have been with her since 2015) my other child is also disabled. I told the CMS this when I called about the DEO being applied without any notice, but they don’t care. I also asked where the £4k’s worth of arrears have come from?..they couldn’t tell me 🤷♂️ I am not looking forward to the next couple of months, as by then, I will have absolutely nothing left financially 😢 I must also say, I had been paying my ex parter directly for my children. Everything was fine until the CMS got involved.
Sorry to hear this bro, I have had the same. Ex put me on Cms to spite me and get more money, when they told her she'd be getting 100quid less than what I'd voluntarily paid, she said that I'd failed to keep up payments. Even though I shown them proof they didn't care and did a deo. It was still less than what I paid bt it's all control. Alienated from daughter for near 3 years, had ficticious arrears of 2k- I was unemployed and out of the country for 5 months so where did that come from. Made a massive complaint online before they closed the message portal and they halved it to 1k but I still don't owe that. This is legalised extortion and a way for resident parents to abuse their ex and inadvertently their child. The courts, cms, solicitors all encourage it because its more money for them whilst we suffer.
For Wales, I recommend you contact Claire Cotter. She's the appointed National Coordinator for Suicide and Self-Harm Prevention and was helpful when I passed information to her. Sharing your finding to her may make effect !
Last time I checked devorce were 60% of all marriages with 80% being instigated by women. I'm not a gambler but even to me, these odds are blatently grim . Don't get married guys
Eleven years since i have seen or heard from my children since my ex partner and I split up and she moved back to Cumbria where she was brought up. Tory government took away contact centre funding in 2012 so that was that..I’ve paid roughly thirty thousand pounds through CMA and I don’t get to see my children..ever..Is this lawful? The stress and anxiety has caused me strong psychological distress and stopped me from using my wages to help me through this nightmare..Justice?
No justice for children or fathers in western society. Does not happen in Asia or Africa or the Middle East or South America. And they tell us the western world is "advanced" and "progressive".
How do we get this heard and reformed, I am on the edge, being nailed down for money I don't have with the threat of taking more money if I can't pay being construed as refusal to pay. This is the CSA all over again blokes were hanging themselves in the 90,s due them taking up to three quarters of their pay based on what the CSA case worker decided you should pay.
Hi, I am curious to see where you have got so far with this as I am currently trying to reverse a DEO from CMS with no prior warning or notifications from them. Just received a letter outlining their intentions and amounts. Thanks
The mother of my son moved away, without informing, i do not know her location and hence my child maintenance has increased as she reported to cms that i have zero contact with my child.
Well done for your excellent research and presentation. I can say that I rather feel that your work may have been listened to some. In my own situation, in 2022, where the CMS was unwilling to accept my change in income over over 25% my own MP NUS Ghani supported my complaint to the CMS, together with my application to the tribunal.. The CMS initially apologised, provided a new figure and advised me that they were terminate the tribunal action. The following day, the CMS sent a new increased figure for me to pay. I submitted a further complaint, advising that the whole action of the CMS was affecting my health, and which my MP also supported. A further investigation and apology was then carried out by the CMS, whom, following evidence of my payments to the receiving parent, accepted that I had indeed been overpaying . Again thankyou for your work, which i understand has come at a significant personal sacrifice by yourself.
You my friend deserve so much for going through so much in order to show what so many Paying Parents are going through. I am fighting at the moment to try and prove that the CMS have placed me in arrears for a period of 2 years when I wasn’t working or able to claim benefits (living on credit cards and loans) despite my HMRC records showing this, they used the HMRC records from 2 years prior (which I had already paid) and this is now debt of thousands. Add to that when I was on. DOE order for 2 years its come to light almost 3 years later that the employer didn't pay the amount requested by CMS and at no time did the CMS tell me this, surprise surprise another few thousand pounds added in arrears. I have been fighting the CMS for 7 years when the first error happened and am still no closer to getting this rectified. I try getting advice and I am told so many times, that I will just have to pay the arrears! Wish I could charge someone randomly £7000 and they have no choice but to pay! I would be in jail for fraud in about 3 weeks! The CMS need reforming and reforming now! I have tried going to the Press, News, Media etc and I either hear nothing back or a generic reply saying to go to me MP. Tried that endless times!
Sadly also my story and I am not even a man. They seek the murder of adults on account of their own children. The idea is that children then grow up raised by the state to become either slaves or psychopaths.
The CMS are charging me 180 a week. I'm on statutory sick pay and my income is 90 a week of which they are taking 10. They won't even admit this is what they are doing. I only know this because the arrears figure is going up by 180 a week. I get different information from every one of their agents. In my former job I was paid 11.32 p/h. There is only one way out of this.
I have a suggestion of another route. Have you considered adding to your report a cover test about how it could be used to judge the "value" aspect of the "value for money accessment" and providing this as a test that could be conducted when the NAO next accesses the CMS. If it is made easy for the NAO then suddenly they CMS will struggle as the "value" calculation is the really hard part of these accessments.
I’m being driven into abject poverty whilst my ex denies me access (ever after a court order) whilst she lives with her parents FOC… I can’t go on like this…. I have worked hard and can’t afford anything whilst my ex lives a high life laughing all the way to the bank
The CMS is unfit for purpose I have been calling every month since May 2018 from my son leaving school and they are STILL taking monthly monies from my wages despite sending them evidence from education board to confirm same My son only stayed with his dad for 3 months due to his school behaviours and didn’t like me grounding him at the time yet was awarded full child benefit and £199 a month CMS Yet CMS have been unable to give me 1p from a historical claim totalling £4700 when I claimed from his dad NOW stating they can’t pursue this as it’s been over 5 years WTF!!! I was a single mum of 3 kids working 4 jobs yet the other parent pays 0 and my monies is arrested for a lie for the other parent to pay off a brand new motorbike every month !!!!!! Sooooooo wrong on so many levels But TBH my kids wanted for nothing and are amazing from a single mum ❤
main career is autamatically a woman.After split thse women most of the time claim false abuses,and fathers don't see their children,and has to pay to those liars child support.Those...will work 2 days a week and stay on benefits all their lives!And men will work and pay taxes for those to stay easily on benefits.50/50 shared care should be granted after a split....we as men have to protest....this nonsence has to finish!Women has more rights over our children,why is that?Are we mare worse parents then them?
Of course she wants to ! We live in a greedy world unfortunately. My attitude here in the uk is this - when a couple splits and a child is involved, both parents should automatically have equal rights for custody, if you’re prepared to have custody of your child for at least half the time you should pay absolutely nothing to the other party. If you feel you do not want custody of that child for at least half the time you give up your right to not pay the other party!! Here in the U.K. the mother automatically has the right of custody over the father ! There is only one reason for this - and that is to cause as much pain as possible for both party’s , and to squeeze the father financially for at least 16 - 20 years. It’s big business!! Tony Blair , David Cameron, and a number of other ex and current politicians have shares in this business set up! The CMS actually charge both parents a FEE to collect and receive money from both parents - so you see , they feed off of misery and profit from it! Another corrupted governmental organisation that only serves themselves .
Excellent video and report. I wil share, thank you for that. Just one suggestion: instead of saying 'commit suicide' I would say 'die by suicide' as, while the legal systems in western countries certainly do treat fathers like criminals, suicide is no longer a crime.
I love how all the comments in this post are in agreement. Me and my partner collectively pay £600 / month in CSA. How on earth are all government payments means tested but not these? If I earned £50000 I’d ‘owe’ my children a tenth of that, like I would be giving them a tenth of that sum of money if they lived with me? My ex earns more than I do, works full time while his new misses older kids look after mine while he’s not there. Not only that, we don’t qualify for benefits like they do because of our earning regardless of the children we have and pay for, we have a tiny 2 bed bk2bk and 4 kids between us, we have to buy them clothes because the other party expects it, my partner wants ‘all his clothes back’ except, I’ve paid for those too? They live in a 6 bed detached house with a garden while we have nothing. Our kids probably won’t get pensions but I can’t save for them because I have nothing but my ex has no concept of this and would rather spend all my money on them and their family now, than save for their future. It’s disgusting, it’s not right, and there’s no one fighting for this misdemeanour. It was changed to prevent too many calculations done, ie staff were overwhelmed. So we don’t have the technology to change that now? Really??? This country makes me sick.
Dam this why in UK, i just work and save. So i can go overseas for 4-6 months. have kids over there, no bloody women roar goverment support over there. Just simple life, men provide. £300 a month pays for rent/food in Africa. But in UK, that's her makeup money. Screw that. If u are a man, don't buy a property if ur still with ur parents and u get on with them because another thief is Council tax! Everyone with a property has to pay that shit. If you have a property that's a life of paying council tax for ur place. Live at ur parents and pay rent for ur bedroom, go work in UK and overseas to have ur kids, keep the wife/kids there. Come back to ur parents home, work 3-4 months, go back for 8 months. That's the best alternative.
economically is is also bad because assuming average divorce age pay and the 1000 per year you estimated the uk loses approximately 0.5 billion pounds or 5 f35-fighter jets per year
I think you have done some good work here. However, you appear to have fallen in to the mistake MRAs make, you have engaged in good faith assuming those who rin a public body wish to make the world better. I suggest applying the analytical approach from public choice economics. You will not get them to recognise their failings you need others to do so.
I had CSA problems years ago and wasn't nice, Suicidal yeah, So here's BIG tip... if you suspect your ex partner may to the CSA (a greedy person), Disconnect your land line and DO NOT answer any mobile phone calls that you don't know, PERIOD !! also don't reply to mail or email. Their first contact will usually be via a phone call because its an instant confirmation of who you are !!. Once they do make contact with you....THATS when their 'money' clock starts ticking...(your money)... They WILL hound you to death , like the guy in the vid says.
@@John_Wood_ I had the same and they WILL take direct from your wages!! Even if you quit, they will take a percentage from your dole money. Changing your name and getting another job wont work as they now have your NI number (they did it to me, it was a nightmare). John, I feel really sorry for you but in your case the options i can think of is start up a cash only business (window / drain cleaning etc) or go work/live in another country.
@@redpanda2401 Thanks bud. The only option I have is to pay what they say and get on with it. The ex is such a greedy witch. I offered to pay her the same amount via a private arrangement, but no she wants to put this lot on me.
@@John_Wood_ Hi John, you really really need to think about your options or they will hound you to hell buddy. Bear in mind, they keep a lot of the money, only a percentage goes your ex and a percentage of that goes to your kid/s. Its criminal !
absolutely brilliant! they need to be held to account for their crimes against parents.
The joke is there giving money to people who never worked in their lives
And for their crimes against children as the children suffer more when the dads are gone. Society as a whole is now worse off as fatherless kids are significantly more likely to be anti-social, substance abusing, criminals plus they are five times more likely to die by suicide themselves.
I earn 1k a week gross.. After the tax man goverment cms take their money I'm left with 414£ a week.. just under 60% of my money goes missing... this country is an absolute joke
This is an outstanding investigation. It doesn't change circumstances immediately, but it helps to know one is not alone, nor a frightening statistic that is being ignored.
I gave 10500 pounds child maintenance in advance to my ex wife .
She obviously agreed to this and sighed an agreement with my solicitor.
Then she went an applied for child maintenance.
So they enforced it on me
I disagreed so they applied financial punishment of up to 31 percent of my wages before tax
Then we went to an independent tribunal
Obviously she won because the laws are totally against men
So I gave up work
I live at my parents and make 10 grand a year working part time doing barely anything
But I get to see my kids all the time and enjoy my life with them
I don't need money so screw the government and will make sure I bleed the government out of as much money as I can in my lifetime
When I went in the job centred I now understand why so many middle age men don't work and just get benefits
Off
Similar situation mate, but I'm barely holding on in my own property. So many knock on effects from the CMS
this is exactly why I had the snip if I had to pick between HIV or CSA I would take HIV any day
Woke up this morning and the CMS have done there annual review of my wages at Tesco's it's going up by £156 more a month so I now pay £565 a month on a attachment to earnings order I'm left with £40/50 a month after bills
No wonder men are taking their lives
I can't afford to go and see my kids anymore and take them for a burger
Sorry to hear this my friend, its legalised extortion. The courts cms, solicitors all are in on it. Alienate man from his children, so the ex can spite you, weaponise the kids and then take your money. If you wanna see them you have to pay c100, solicitor fees, it's a big con. Many men are killing themselves. Don't let your ex win. I am in a similar fight
I was hounded by CSA and they robbed me of thousands of pounds, I couldn't buy decent food or have any holidays, back then there was talk of blocking your passport and driving licence for not paying, but that's a dumb idea, if you needed your car to commute how are you going to earn any money? I think the Civil Liberties Group stopped the passport blocking, as it's the same as taking your passport off you, and nobody is allowed to keep that, it's yours only.
Insane
This is a really interesting research. My view is that the CMS operate outside of the Equality Act. They have service standards or different processes. Around 90% of paying parents are male, where as 90% receiving are female. Yet the CMS have to get a case opened in days, yet, when the case is swopped, and the primary carer changes they have 14 weeks as a service standard. Why is that? Ignoring the Equality act.
A well investigated and thought through report Brian. Well done.
I’m also one of the many loving fathers who are essentially in a financial prison.
My Ex partner went through child maintenance to punish me as she didn’t get what she wanted, I have paid for years prior to child maintenance coming into the picture.
When she put the application in she lied and stated I never look after them, completely false as I look after them all the time, only to get the highest paying bracket from me.
I am happily settled in a new relationship and have a step daughter, my maintenance is £500 a month, I’m paying a mortgage off and left with next to nothing. While my ex partner who gets benefits/council house/legal aid and food vouchers to help also works cash in hand making thousands. Can child maintenance identify this isn’t about supporting children, it is a tool to punish loving paying parents who cannot have the life they want with there children due to Child maintenance. It is the biggest government authorised scam, all it is doing is punishing loving parents who cannot live a good quality of life with there children.
Again this will fall on death ears, hence why the only escape is suicide, something needs to change.
I feel you your not alone the system is so rigger towards mums this is exactly why more men commit suicide over women! I'm confused how the government haven't addressed this. We're about to have another baby with my now wife. But that only takes 10 pound a month off. Yet I'm paying 330 for this other child with my ex wtf!!?
Exactly what an example they’re setting for children….the mother gets everything for free.
Don't get married and don't have children
Well, do not get married in a western country. It is not like this everywhere in the world, just the woke western world.
And the government are concerned we're an ages county! Why would you have more kids to be shit over by the system and a bitch ex
I'm ill with blood clots in my lungs... I've been off work with this potentially terminal illness since November 2022... The CMS keep overcharging me, adding arrears etc due to their system mistakes. In this relatively short period I've nearly lost my home and my life... I've never missed a payment in 10 years but I've spent no less than 30 hours on the phone with these people and have been promised time and time again that they will fix my bill. They haven't and it's causing me no end of stress... It's making me suicidal.. these people are the scum of the earth. Incompetent and cruel
You're a wonderment and what you've achieved, all be it not acted upon yet is fantastic. The correlations you've made are clear and compelling. I will be using this, with your approval in future to further my plight to out this vicious callous arm of the government.
And now we have a deputy prime minister that has caused this
This happened to me also. It was horrific
Impressed by the report
I wonder if you could get a statistician to bless your results.
You might like to look into some sociology for the dario stuff should you be seeking institutional recognition. The darvo stuff while a compelling metaphor ignores a body of literature.
sobering analysis
You done great to get yourself back together im sorry to hear you went through hell im going through same but i dont know who to talk to 😢
It was early 1990's I'd just applied to divorce my wife, but my female Solicitor, said, you're not going to like this, a new maintenance operation is arriving called The Child Support Agency, taking away powers of Judges to set maintenance, we're all against this new proposal, so then the nightmare began, I was handed an attachment of earnings by my employers HR lady, she even appeared to look down on me and kind of enjoyed it. Looks like it hasn't changed much at all over the years.
Thanks for your very in depth report and guidance, was this attachment of earnings by employers subject to the same risk assessment criteria when it was called the CSA, child support agency? As they took my money directly from my wages in the early 1990's any help would be welcome, thanks.
Thank you for this. The CMS think that they are above the law. They just applied a DEO on my wages, which is £1500- after tax & N.I has been taken off.
The CMS are taking £400 per month before I have paid tax & N.I- because they said that I am in “arrears” when I am not. They also did this without notifying me about it.
I called my employer’s payroll department, & was told that “there is nothing we can do, we need to comply with what the CMS tell us”
It’s genuinely putting me into financial hardship, as I have my regular bills etc to pay & I have another child that I support with my current partner (I have been with her since 2015) my other child is also disabled.
I told the CMS this when I called about the DEO being applied without any notice, but they don’t care.
I also asked where the £4k’s worth of arrears have come from?..they couldn’t tell me 🤷♂️
I am not looking forward to the next couple of months, as by then, I will have absolutely nothing left financially 😢
I must also say, I had been paying my ex parter directly for my children. Everything was fine until the CMS got involved.
Sorry to hear this bro, I have had the same. Ex put me on Cms to spite me and get more money, when they told her she'd be getting 100quid less than what I'd voluntarily paid, she said that I'd failed to keep up payments. Even though I shown them proof they didn't care and did a deo. It was still less than what I paid bt it's all control. Alienated from daughter for near 3 years, had ficticious arrears of 2k- I was unemployed and out of the country for 5 months so where did that come from. Made a massive complaint online before they closed the message portal and they halved it to 1k but I still don't owe that. This is legalised extortion and a way for resident parents to abuse their ex and inadvertently their child. The courts, cms, solicitors all encourage it because its more money for them whilst we suffer.
All about profit and theft from the normal man. I'm utterly convinced that these satan worshippers are seeking for men to kill themselves.
For Wales, I recommend you contact Claire Cotter. She's the appointed National Coordinator for Suicide and Self-Harm Prevention and was helpful when I passed information to her. Sharing your finding to her may make effect !
Last time I checked devorce were 60% of all marriages with 80% being instigated by women. I'm not a gambler but even to me, these odds are blatently grim . Don't get married guys
I believe in the UK women instigate 60% down from 70% in the 1970s.
Eleven years since i have seen or heard from my children since my ex partner and I split up and she moved back to Cumbria where she was brought up.
Tory government took away contact centre funding in 2012 so that was that..I’ve paid roughly thirty thousand pounds through CMA and I don’t get to see my children..ever..Is this lawful? The stress and anxiety has caused me strong psychological distress and stopped me from using my wages to help me through this nightmare..Justice?
No justice for children or fathers in western society. Does not happen in Asia or Africa or the Middle East or South America. And they tell us the western world is "advanced" and "progressive".
How do we get this heard and reformed, I am on the edge, being nailed down for money I don't have with the threat of taking more money if I can't pay being construed as refusal to pay. This is the CSA all over again blokes were hanging themselves in the 90,s due them taking up to three quarters of their pay based on what the CSA case worker decided you should pay.
Hi, I am curious to see where you have got so far with this as I am currently trying to reverse a DEO from CMS with no prior warning or notifications from them. Just received a letter outlining their intentions and amounts.
Thanks
Thank you Brian, will share 🙏🏼
so what are we all doing? - carry on being fkd over by the cms?
Alone you don't stand a chance. If we all formed a group and just stopped paying that would get their attention.
The mother of my son moved away, without informing, i do not know her location and hence my child maintenance has increased as she reported to cms that i have zero contact with my child.
Well done mate
Well done for your excellent research and presentation. I can say that I rather feel that your work may have been listened to some. In my own situation, in 2022, where the CMS was unwilling to accept my change in income over over 25% my own MP NUS Ghani supported my complaint to the CMS, together with my application to the tribunal.. The CMS initially apologised, provided a new figure and advised me that they were terminate the tribunal action. The following day, the CMS sent a new increased figure for me to pay. I submitted a further complaint, advising that the whole action of the CMS was affecting my health, and which my MP also supported. A further investigation and apology was then carried out by the CMS, whom, following evidence of my payments to the receiving parent, accepted that I had indeed been overpaying . Again thankyou for your work, which i understand has come at a significant personal sacrifice by yourself.
You my friend deserve so much for going through so much in order to show what so many Paying Parents are going through. I am fighting at the moment to try and prove that the CMS have placed me in arrears for a period of 2 years when I wasn’t working or able to claim benefits (living on credit cards and loans) despite my HMRC records showing this, they used the HMRC records from 2 years prior (which I had already paid) and this is now debt of thousands. Add to that when I was on. DOE order for 2 years its come to light almost 3 years later that the employer didn't pay the amount requested by CMS and at no time did the CMS tell me this, surprise surprise another few thousand pounds added in arrears. I have been fighting the CMS for 7 years when the first error happened and am still no closer to getting this rectified. I try getting advice and I am told so many times, that I will just have to pay the arrears! Wish I could charge someone randomly £7000 and they have no choice but to pay! I would be in jail for fraud in about 3 weeks! The CMS need reforming and reforming now! I have tried going to the Press, News, Media etc and I either hear nothing back or a generic reply saying to go to me MP. Tried that endless times!
amazing work, I am going through the same thing with them.
This is tragic.
Sadly also my story and I am not even a man. They seek the murder of adults on account of their own children. The idea is that children then grow up raised by the state to become either slaves or psychopaths.
The CMS are charging me 180 a week. I'm on statutory sick pay and my income is 90 a week of which they are taking 10. They won't even admit this is what they are doing. I only know this because the arrears figure is going up by 180 a week. I get different information from every one of their agents. In my former job I was paid 11.32 p/h. There is only one way out of this.
I have a suggestion of another route. Have you considered adding to your report a cover test about how it could be used to judge the "value" aspect of the "value for money accessment" and providing this as a test that could be conducted when the NAO next accesses the CMS.
If it is made easy for the NAO then suddenly they CMS will struggle as the "value" calculation is the really hard part of these accessments.
I’m being driven into abject poverty whilst my ex denies me access (ever after a court order) whilst she lives with her parents FOC… I can’t go on like this…. I have worked hard and can’t afford anything whilst my ex lives a high life laughing all the way to the bank
So happy to find this, going to watch it all, they can't kill me and neither can my stinking ex wife.
Great stuff Brian. Try getting in touch with Scottish M.P Margaret Ferrier. I'm sure she'd help you
The CMS is unfit for purpose
I have been calling every month since May 2018 from my son leaving school and they are STILL taking monthly monies from my wages despite sending them evidence from education board to confirm same
My son only stayed with his dad for 3 months due to his school behaviours and didn’t like me grounding him at the time yet was awarded full child benefit and £199 a month CMS
Yet CMS have been unable to give me 1p from a historical claim totalling £4700 when I claimed from his dad NOW stating they can’t pursue this as it’s been over 5 years
WTF!!! I was a single mum of 3 kids working 4 jobs yet the other parent pays 0 and my monies is arrested for a lie for the other parent to pay off a brand new motorbike every month !!!!!!
Sooooooo wrong on so many levels
But TBH my kids wanted for nothing and are amazing from a single mum ❤
main career is autamatically a woman.After split thse women most of the time claim false abuses,and fathers don't see their children,and has to pay to those liars child support.Those...will work 2 days a week and stay on benefits all their lives!And men will work and pay taxes for those to stay easily on benefits.50/50 shared care should be granted after a split....we as men have to protest....this nonsence has to finish!Women has more rights over our children,why is that?Are we mare worse parents then them?
Of course she wants to ! We live in a greedy world unfortunately. My attitude here in the uk is this - when a couple splits and a child is involved, both parents should automatically have equal rights for custody, if you’re prepared to have custody of your child for at least half the time you should pay absolutely nothing to the other party. If you feel you do not want custody of that child for at least half the time you give up your right to not pay the other party!! Here in the U.K. the mother automatically has the right of custody over the father ! There is only one reason for this - and that is to cause as much pain as possible for both party’s , and to squeeze the father financially for at least 16 - 20 years. It’s big business!! Tony Blair , David Cameron, and a number of other ex and current politicians have shares in this business set up! The CMS actually charge both parents a FEE to collect and receive money from both parents - so you see , they feed off of misery and profit from it! Another corrupted governmental organisation that only serves themselves .
Benefits seem to be the way to go now!
£7 week, does it really pay to work!
Excellent video and report. I wil share, thank you for that.
Just one suggestion: instead of saying 'commit suicide' I would say 'die by suicide' as, while the legal systems in western countries certainly do treat fathers like criminals, suicide is no longer a crime.
Brian, the CMS have admitted mal- administration in trying to enforce £16000. I need to talk to you.
CMS certainly know how to destroy what communication you have with your kids and ex partner,
There’s two sides to every story, my ex wife manipulated the system although she quite clearly was a high earner. Finally caught ….
I love how all the comments in this post are in agreement. Me and my partner collectively pay £600 / month in CSA. How on earth are all government payments means tested but not these? If I earned £50000 I’d ‘owe’ my children a tenth of that, like I would be giving them a tenth of that sum of money if they lived with me? My ex earns more than I do, works full time while his new misses older kids look after mine while he’s not there. Not only that, we don’t qualify for benefits like they do because of our earning regardless of the children we have and pay for, we have a tiny 2 bed bk2bk and 4 kids between us, we have to buy them clothes because the other party expects it, my partner wants ‘all his clothes back’ except, I’ve paid for those too? They live in a 6 bed detached house with a garden while we have nothing. Our kids probably won’t get pensions but I can’t save for them because I have nothing but my ex has no concept of this and would rather spend all my money on them and their family now, than save for their future. It’s disgusting, it’s not right, and there’s no one fighting for this misdemeanour. It was changed to prevent too many calculations done, ie staff were overwhelmed. So we don’t have the technology to change that now? Really??? This country makes me sick.
Dam this why in UK, i just work and save. So i can go overseas for 4-6 months. have kids over there, no bloody women roar goverment support over there. Just simple life, men provide. £300 a month pays for rent/food in Africa. But in UK, that's her makeup money.
Screw that.
If u are a man, don't buy a property if ur still with ur parents and u get on with them because another thief is Council tax! Everyone with a property has to pay that shit. If you have a property that's a life of paying council tax for ur place.
Live at ur parents and pay rent for ur bedroom, go work in UK and overseas to have ur kids, keep the wife/kids there.
Come back to ur parents home, work 3-4 months, go back for 8 months. That's the best alternative.
There should be means tested child maintenance. I am in debt, whats the point living to be honest
economically is is also bad because assuming average divorce age pay and the 1000 per year you estimated the uk loses approximately 0.5 billion pounds or 5 f35-fighter jets per year
I think you have done some good work here. However, you appear to have fallen in to the mistake MRAs make, you have engaged in good faith assuming those who rin a public body wish to make the world better.
I suggest applying the analytical approach from public choice economics.
You will not get them to recognise their failings you need others to do so.
I had CSA problems years ago and wasn't nice, Suicidal yeah, So here's BIG tip... if you suspect your ex partner may to the CSA (a greedy person), Disconnect your land line and DO NOT answer any mobile phone calls that you don't know, PERIOD !! also don't reply to mail or email. Their first contact will usually be via a phone call because its an instant confirmation of who you are !!. Once they do make contact with you....THATS when their 'money' clock starts ticking...(your money)... They WILL hound you to death , like the guy in the vid says.
They sent me a letter yesterday. They know exactly what I earn and who I work for. They will take direct from my wages if I don't comply.
@@John_Wood_ I had the same and they WILL take direct from your wages!! Even if you quit, they will take a percentage from your dole money. Changing your name and getting another job wont work as they now have your NI number (they did it to me, it was a nightmare). John, I feel really sorry for you but in your case the options i can think of is start up a cash only business (window / drain cleaning etc) or go work/live in another country.
@@redpanda2401 Thanks bud. The only option I have is to pay what they say and get on with it. The ex is such a greedy witch. I offered to pay her the same amount via a private arrangement, but no she wants to put this lot on me.
@@John_Wood_ Hi John, you really really need to think about your options or they will hound you to hell buddy. Bear in mind, they keep a lot of the money, only a percentage goes your ex and a percentage of that goes to your kid/s. Its criminal !
@@redpanda2401 Its all new to me. Surely if I pay direct to her they don't get their paws on it?
How to avoid paying CMS, any help will do.
I may be able to advise pro-bono. I am a lawyer with some experience of this. What are your circumstances?
I can use some help, mines a sexual abuse report
Its a punishment system basically for daring to get divorced (which is anti christian) /jesus😢revenge