Maybe they have the good taste to feel uncomfortable hugging in front of or for the consumption of lots of people. We have no idea how they hug in private. Nor do I want any idea - their feelings for each other and how they express them are their business.
It's heartbreaking that the optimism of the 90's/early '00s was severely wounded by 9/11 & Iraq before being systematically and ruthlessly destroyed for good by the 2008 financial crisis. I remember what it was like to be a part of '90s Britain when the economy really started to boom. The future was something that gleamed and it felt like we could do anything and solve any problem. Music, film and TV was incredible and we had a young, charismatic PM. It felt like we were getting rid of the old, crusty generation and replacing it with something far better. It's so sad that I was the last generation to know what it was like to live during a boom time of optimism and amazing pop culture. Kids these days are so pessimistic (and rightfully so) about the present and future. It saddens me that they never got to experience '90s/early '00s Britain.
We voted for labour. Gordon was a wonderful good man a man with a true labour heart. Can’t help feeling we were deceived a bit by Tony. Part of him was kind of Thatcherite. Mandleson was a snake. But he was betrayed by Tony and it’s obvious he regretted betraying Mandleson afterwards. Imagine if Gordon Brown had been Prime Minister from the start, instead of Tony. Solid economic politics. Sound social policy. Real healthy growth combined with labour values of transformation in society and with labour’s landslide mandate after the grim thatcher legacy. Wow. What Britain could have been. It’s heart breaking. What Britain could have been.
I always felt more aligned with Gordon Brown. I have always been a Labour man. I am proud to be left of centre. Socially liberal, financially centre left in my politics. Gordon was a decent man, but entered office in 2007 with terrible things beyond his control.
Brown had a great intellect, but he just didn't have Blair's political skills and instincts. I'm not sure there would have been a third term had Brown been in charge at the start. But Brown was the right person at the right time during the financial crisis. The great tragedy is that he didn't call an early election in 2007 and became tagged as a "bottler." Had he done so, he wouldn't have had to contest an election in the immediate aftermath of the crisis, and would have found it easier to argue that he had saved Britain and the world from oblivion. But hindsight is 20/20.
Without Gordon's moderating influence and competence as Chancellor, those years would've been much worse than they were. Blair doesn't realise just how much he owes to Brown. Blair without Brown would've been absolutely horrible.
I’d say that actually Brown without Blair was horrible! Useless PM and I think he held back some of Blairs transformative policies. I will give him credit for stopping us going into the euro currency though!
I don't even know what Blair stands for. Radical this, radical that, blah blah. Brown seemed to be the one keeping the looney leftists away from pillaging the Treasury.
Brown, after Blair left was useless. He thought 2007 crash would only be 6 months. Underminded Darling as Chancellor, took credit for his bank bailout, and went on to lose the 210 election on a massive scale.
The relationship between Blair & Brown, great leader great treasurer (COTE) and the agreement which caused a rift was almost a delayed mirror image of Hawke and Keating in Australia a few years earlier (1983-1996).
Its often been debated whether or not Blair and Brown's ministry was proto-thatcherite or neoliberal, reformist progressive.. i say different, probably none of the above completely encapsulates the philosophy. To understand them is to understand why they joined Labour and why Labour was created as a movement. Essentially there was a 21st century revitalisation of Labour under these two, where capitol would be gained and the economy performing at desirable levels, but proceeds spent on worthwhile social projects that needed funding. A peaceful, cohesive society with equal opportunity. How they might negotiate with unions to have a wage freeze as a short term price for the workforce having new entitlements like free health benefits, paid sick leave, etc. Carbon tax or ETS to fund renewable energy startups and the list goes on.. macro-economic reform to get revenue flowing like a running tap to pay for expansive, fair and just social programs to lift society.. that is their philosophy, and its way more complicated than the simplistic view of "everything is state owned".
When you're poor, are you worried about how much money the rich have or are you worried about how little money you have? The problem is not that there's some cap we need on keeping the rich from being rich. We need to keep the poor from being poor. If people have enough to eat and live and thrive then I don't care if others are making billions. Blair did that.
Blaire keeps talking about being a "radical", clearly he likes the sound of it, but really it just means he wanted to enact even more economic privatization, and globalization and moderation of a already moderated party.
@@fshoaps taking labour from Tony Benn and Jeremy Corbyn and making them an electable alternative to.Tories? That is super fkn radical..compared to Labour in the 80s and now
That's because he doesn't believe in anything. The beginning of the episode starts with all of Blair's closest allies saying "I have no idea what his political label would be" because all he cared about was consolidating power and keeping his handlers happy
It's hard to tell because journalists tend to hype up every small disagreement as a source of good copy, so you never know the extent to which it is exaggerated or true.
Sometimes that kind of tension can be conducive to good performance. They both clearly managed it well; particularly Gordon, who is clearly the less dominant personality.
UK is a sorry state compared to those heady days of Blair and Brown, both knew how to run a nation and neither would shit on poorest in society. Fast forward today.....
Richard Wilson, typical bureaucrat, is GREAT at showing the mirror to prime ministers. But by god, should somebody show Humphrey their true face - they are silky smooth as they vomit.
I know what you mean. I got the impression they didn’t really understand politics and the implications of the decisions they made. They just thought politics was about getting power by selling an aspirational vision to the voters and managing or bullying the media to keep them under control, then once they were in government everyone had to do what they wanted. They made a complete mess of the succession from Blair to Brown and Labour have been out of power ever since.
@tedm6894 No lots of people on the left would say that. Brown thought the downturn would only last 6 months. Say what you like about them, they should of listened to Ken Clarke and Vince cable about was comming in 2007.
Truly amazing content. I've read a book with similar material that had a profound impact. "The Art of Meaningful Relationships in the 21st Century" by Leo Flint
Why did consecutive Tory govts not sort out Ireland and introduce the minimum wage and reduce poverty and increase public sector spending if they were both Torys?
Remember when the biggest scandal was a minister getting a donor a passport?
Meh, worse happened, we just didn't see it
Oh how we could go back and bottle that post Millennium, pre-9/11 optimism and can-do spirit.
Nobody hugs more awkwardly than Cherrie and Tony Blair ... she furiously talking to him when his attention is on saluting his adoring crowd .. :)
they're kinda cute, as a couple. She's the wallflower.
Maybe they have the good taste to feel uncomfortable hugging in front of or for the consumption of lots of people. We have no idea how they hug in private. Nor do I want any idea - their feelings for each other and how they express them are their business.
she is a strange acting woman. it's like she hit 15 and stopped maturing.
It's heartbreaking that the optimism of the 90's/early '00s was severely wounded by 9/11 & Iraq before being systematically and ruthlessly destroyed for good by the 2008 financial crisis. I remember what it was like to be a part of '90s Britain when the economy really started to boom. The future was something that gleamed and it felt like we could do anything and solve any problem. Music, film and TV was incredible and we had a young, charismatic PM. It felt like we were getting rid of the old, crusty generation and replacing it with something far better. It's so sad that I was the last generation to know what it was like to live during a boom time of optimism and amazing pop culture. Kids these days are so pessimistic (and rightfully so) about the present and future. It saddens me that they never got to experience '90s/early '00s Britain.
Blair & Brown is a similar story to the Hawke & Keating story in Australia
Lovely to see Jack Straw leading David Blunkett on stage
Well, they were all clowns.
The Straw that broke the Blunkett’s back
We voted for labour. Gordon was a wonderful good man a man with a true labour heart. Can’t help feeling we were deceived a bit by Tony. Part of him was kind of Thatcherite. Mandleson was a snake. But he was betrayed by Tony and it’s obvious he regretted betraying Mandleson afterwards. Imagine if Gordon Brown had been Prime Minister from the start, instead of Tony. Solid economic politics. Sound social policy. Real healthy growth combined with labour values of transformation in society and with labour’s landslide mandate after the grim thatcher legacy. Wow. What Britain could have been. It’s heart breaking. What Britain could have been.
I always felt more aligned with Gordon Brown. I have always been a Labour man. I am proud to be left of centre. Socially liberal, financially centre left in my politics. Gordon was a decent man, but entered office in 2007 with terrible things beyond his control.
Brown had a great intellect, but he just didn't have Blair's political skills and instincts. I'm not sure there would have been a third term had Brown been in charge at the start. But Brown was the right person at the right time during the financial crisis. The great tragedy is that he didn't call an early election in 2007 and became tagged as a "bottler." Had he done so, he wouldn't have had to contest an election in the immediate aftermath of the crisis, and would have found it easier to argue that he had saved Britain and the world from oblivion. But hindsight is 20/20.
Tony and Gordon were a marvellous duo
Disagree
Greater is he who makes a big impression from a poor background, than one from a rich background💗💗💗💗💗
Love Blair or hate him , I can’t think of anyone who would rather have Sunak , Johnson or Truss
Blair fucked it up with Iraq, but domestically he’s a million times better than any of those you mentioned
@@HughMyron372he’ll be the best domestic PM of the 21st century
Without Gordon's moderating influence and competence as Chancellor, those years would've been much worse than they were. Blair doesn't realise just how much he owes to Brown. Blair without Brown would've been absolutely horrible.
I’d say that actually Brown without Blair was horrible! Useless PM and I think he held back some of Blairs transformative policies.
I will give him credit for stopping us going into the euro currency though!
I don't even know what Blair stands for. Radical this, radical that, blah blah. Brown seemed to be the one keeping the looney leftists away from pillaging the Treasury.
Blaire with Brown was still a shit show
Brown, after Blair left was useless. He thought 2007 crash would only be 6 months. Underminded Darling as Chancellor, took credit for his bank bailout, and went on to lose the 210 election on a massive scale.
As soon as Blair left it all fell apart
The relationship between Blair & Brown, great leader great treasurer (COTE) and the agreement which caused a rift was almost a delayed mirror image of Hawke and Keating in Australia a few years earlier (1983-1996).
'Use the surplus to increase public spending..' This was the problem. Imagining that the government 'saves' in its own currency.
50:27 Liz Truss appearance
The difference is that Mandelson wasn't forced to resign the next day
Mandy having a little cry... awwwww
Can't stop watching the Dark Lord damn you AA
So Liz truss stole that line from peter mandelson
Except she actually is A quitter
Its often been debated whether or not Blair and Brown's ministry was proto-thatcherite or neoliberal, reformist progressive.. i say different, probably none of the above completely encapsulates the philosophy.
To understand them is to understand why they joined Labour and why Labour was created as a movement. Essentially there was a 21st century revitalisation of Labour under these two, where capitol would be gained and the economy performing at desirable levels, but proceeds spent on worthwhile social projects that needed funding. A peaceful, cohesive society with equal opportunity. How they might negotiate with unions to have a wage freeze as a short term price for the workforce having new entitlements like free health benefits, paid sick leave, etc. Carbon tax or ETS to fund renewable energy startups and the list goes on.. macro-economic reform to get revenue flowing like a running tap to pay for expansive, fair and just social programs to lift society.. that is their philosophy, and its way more complicated than the simplistic view of "everything is state owned".
13:13 weird way of saying “oh”
When you're poor, are you worried about how much money the rich have or are you worried about how little money you have?
The problem is not that there's some cap we need on keeping the rich from being rich. We need to keep the poor from being poor.
If people have enough to eat and live and thrive then I don't care if others are making billions.
Blair did that.
Perception is everything...
Blaire keeps talking about being a "radical", clearly he likes the sound of it, but really it just means he wanted to enact even more economic privatization, and globalization and moderation of a already moderated party.
A Labour radical in other words.
@@gordonferrar7782 I suppose but not in the populist manor he’s making it out to be
@@fshoaps taking labour from Tony Benn and Jeremy Corbyn and making them an electable alternative to.Tories? That is super fkn radical..compared to Labour in the 80s and now
That's because he doesn't believe in anything. The beginning of the episode starts with all of Blair's closest allies saying "I have no idea what his political label would be" because all he cared about was consolidating power and keeping his handlers happy
Oh how naive you are. Read what Peter Hitchens says about social revolution that took place in this country.
Gosh how invasive the 'music' was in what is an interesting documentary.
Brown was consumed by bitterness and ambition. It ate him up. A nd once he became prime minister it spat him out.
THANKS So MUCH MISS FOLASADE GIWA SAFIYAT GOOD BLESSING YOU TODARY AM?
24:42 Алистер Кэмпбелл
43:33 бросили яйцо в Прескотта, а взято обнимаю Мандельсона эко-активистка облила зелёной краской
Transformative change needs 15 yrs of power..
"a fight we must win" ... Blair
We dare.. We will win... Portillo..
Transformative - but not necessarily for the better.
Ok so I’m just going to ask what we have all been thinking… did Tony and Gordon once have a thing?
Just because they are poor does not mean that they cannot make big steps in their lives
THANK SO MUCH MISS FOLASADE GIWA SAFIYAT GOOD BLESSING YOU TODARY AM ?
Never knew the extent to which things were so semi-dysfunctional between ´Tony’ and ´Gordon’ behind the scenes.
It's hard to tell because journalists tend to hype up every small disagreement as a source of good copy, so you never know the extent to which it is exaggerated or true.
@@forthrightgambitia1032 A good documentary series to be sure.
Sometimes that kind of tension can be conducive to good performance. They both clearly managed it well; particularly Gordon, who is clearly the less dominant personality.
A couple of clowns surround by a bunch of hangers on.
Good Scots born boys just having a bit of a wobble
UK is a sorry state compared to those heady days of Blair and Brown, both knew how to run a nation and neither would shit on poorest in society. Fast forward today.....
I guarantee that Rachael reeves really want to take Kiers job rn
Oh boy The W.I. Speech the slow clapping yikes .
I remember this quite well.
Tony Blair looks evil now but I suppose that's what happens when you don't have to keep pretending to care
June 1983 - May 1994...TBGB STOOD TOGETHER... SIDE BY SIDE.. SOLID... MAY 1994 - JUNE 2007.. LE debacle..
This episode of Time Trumpet isn't as funny as the others
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Richard Wilson, typical bureaucrat, is GREAT at showing the mirror to prime ministers. But by god, should somebody show Humphrey their true face - they are silky smooth as they vomit.
Brown was less stupid than Blair.
Brown should of stood in '97
Hilarious how Blair thinks he was anything but a 'radical' monetarist.
How is it possible that every time Ed Balls opens his mouth I dislike him more
Saddam did have weapons of mass destruction
What's amazing in hindsight is how little they understand economics, a crash was coming and they were all at the wheel ... obsessed with themselves..
I know what you mean. I got the impression they didn’t really understand politics and the implications of the decisions they made. They just thought politics was about getting power by selling an aspirational vision to the voters and managing or bullying the media to keep them under control, then once they were in government everyone had to do what they wanted. They made a complete mess of the succession from Blair to Brown and Labour have been out of power ever since.
If you're talking about the 2008 crash, what could they have done to prevent it?
Your average daily mail reader comment ^
Loool you mean the global crash that no major economy survived? OK internet economic expert
@tedm6894 No lots of people on the left would say that. Brown thought the downturn would only last 6 months. Say what you like about them, they should of listened to Ken Clarke and Vince cable about was comming in 2007.
I am for the poor and the lame
Politics is what it is, never seeing eye to eye is nothing new! end of evolution argument
Highlight 2001 election... Hague & his wife vanishing away at Tyne tees tv
I wouldn’t wish the experience of having to ask a Scotchman ( as Dr Johnson used to call them ) for a bank loan on any poor sod.
Actually the Scot's are the most generous nation in Uk in terms of charity giving. Google it! 🙂
Blair was a crook
you will see that i just told you the truth guaranteed
Truly amazing content. I've read a book with similar material that had a profound impact. "The Art of Meaningful Relationships in the 21st Century" by Leo Flint
he would have taken africa and iran and turkey
Mmhpn
THEY CONTINUED THE SAME SHIT AS THE TORIES.
AND NOW WERE PAYING FOR IT.
Ah, yes minimum wage and a the panoply of anti-discrimination laws. Tory Tingz.
Why did consecutive Tory govts not sort out Ireland and introduce the minimum wage and reduce poverty and increase public sector spending if they were both Torys?
Tories goin the left like labour now isn't it nearly the same?
The shortest waiting times in history and crime down by a third
Daily mail bootlicker
Blair: B lair (Bloody war criminal …..)
He never committed any war crimes personally, nor ordered anyone else to. Removing an evil dictator isn't a war crime.
Total crap
Shut it
To be fair Gordon brown is way to the right of the 2022 woke as hell Tories
no
😂 I’m sure he thinks deporting immigrants to Rwanda doesn’t go far enough.
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