i think salem should not still be banned, based upon the fact that what he did was less bad than what others in smash community have done, yet they're still fine but yet salem cant do anything anymore. Seems like community bias/unfairness. The punishment should fit the severity of the crime, but that's not how things are atm in many situations for many people.
I want to honestly thank you for stating this. The most fucked up part of arguing for someone popular to be held accountable is that people underplay it because the guy arguing for this isn’t that big of a name. It legitimately brings a smile to my face seeing the guy who helped form the competitive scene as we all know it today say this.
Also, what about Samsora? Wasn't he the one who helped shed light on this but he got banned for it? I'm happy at least that a great figure like you is not afraid to comment on these issues to a certain extent.
Woah, I did not expect you coming to this video, Jason. But anyways, you're right as usual, common M2K W. This is something that I'm hearing quite a bit lately in the community, because many people have already cleared their name, and others just made their situations worse. I think that those who are actually clear, should be welcomed back and those who aren't should get kicked out.
Hold on, i didn't know that Salem was banned!! Legit, what for? At most Salem was an idiot who was none the wiser, but ignorance shouldn't be that much of a punishable crime. "Seems like community bias/unfairness" I mean... considering the last i knew of him, he got into a beef with Leffen and "years of research" while Big Leff Ratio him to oblivion? no kidding, is yet another instance of Leffen using his big audience to change a narrative to his favor In the meantime, im glad you acknowladged it this, even if you don't have the same pull you'd have in the prime years, this is big.there are bigger culprits in this cesspool, ones that divert guilt to others.
Gen Z parents, being there for their kid at events? What are you, a far right extremist? Parents are supposed to neglect their child, get 9 vaccines, and stop racism and protest!
Not that i think nairo is innocent or anything but he has a very good legal reason to not release his information. It's a situation sometimes called the paradox of statutory rape where acknowledgement of one crime implies the other. Therefore both parties can be guilty of a different crime from the same event. Proving his rape case will incriminate himself for a statutory case. Both parties are quite literally better off not pursuing this any further.
@@christophermauro-barias7451 Technicals doesn't wanna know this. No matter what one thinks about the Nairo/Zack case, Technicals is a scary, untrustworthy person with a messed up agenda.
@@AndreasSaag Honestly I'm all for Tech for exposing the wrongs in the Smash community, but it feels like he's only trying to take everyone down and not improve anything. Like there are people who are in the Smash community that are completely disconnected from the Nairo situation, and are actually trying to at least work with what they have. The whole system is fucked anyway, and Nairo is just one of the worse ones. I miss his cooking vids...
As you pointed out, if Nairo wasn't so well liked in the community we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Technicals, ANTi, Salem and ZeRo were all banned for lesser crimes because they weren't well liked by the community as a whole or that the right person didn't like them.
Looking at Nario’s channel rn, his view counts used to be so much higher. He used to get hundreds of thousands of views, now he struggles to even make 50k. Which is a good thing. That man deserves nothing but jail time.
Zack's a washed-up mentally broken loser who got off on emotionally blackmailing prominent people in his community. The scumbaggery between the two is levels different
@@stanchase1130 he did the same thing with Ally, and tried it with Dabuz also but Dabuz did what both nairo & ally should have done, tell him to fuck off with that bullshit. Zack is just as bad as Nairo & Ally lol he’s a whore and a scumbag.
This goes far beyond the realm of smash and delves into sports in general. Favoritism towards top players is a big problem. Even if a player commits a heinous crime, some will instantly forgive them because they play the game well.
Salem gets banned for not stopping Nairo and Zack from having a relationship, but Nairo is unbanned even though he was the adult in the relationship? Thank goodness there are such morally just TOs in the Smash community.
The fact that samsarao got banned for not speaking up about Zack and Nairo and tech got banned for making a joke about beating his meat to a person who sells lewd content. Showed me that the community is full of shit.
Samsora's ban was completely reasonable - he knew Zack and Nairo were dating, and he let it happen. Knowing about any form of child abuse and not reporting it is a serious offence which both Salem and Samsora were guilty of.
@@KindaKaon I'm not saying Samsora didn't deserve the ban. It just makes no sense how He got banned for not reporting it while Nario himself isn't banned when he was one half of the relationship.
The man is too popular to be banned. The smash community's ban system is the biggest joke I've ever seen. Just a circlejerk of the popular people silencing people that mention that somebody they like is a bad person
@@TheStarrySept that's even in the fgc but they are on your ass if you do something wrong the problem is they seem to hide or not mention any of the incidents except the ltg vs ceroblast
I agree both are in the wrong But at least people can redeem themselves like how ZeRo did. But people who shut off redemption (such as claiming some can't be redeemed when they clearly can) against others are making themselves unforgivable
@@bailujen8052 ZeRo redeemed himself by disappearing long enough for the heat to die down only to come back and declare "upon further reflection, I decided that I actually didn't do all the bad things that I admitted to (because it hurts my bottom line). Don't forget to like, comment and subscribe!"
@@Charmolution Incorrect dumbass. He dealt with legal action against Jisu. He didnt "wait till it died down": The situation was basically over after he was banned. I dont get how him coming back after dealing with things privately and working out is somehow ZeRo dodging responsibility and downplaying the situation as this implies.
Nairo was a 20 year old who plays a nintendo game for a living at the time, not even old enough to drink. One could argue that Nairo was not a fully functional/developed adult at that time since brains don't fully mature until the mid to late 20s. Zack was a manipulative predator who took complete advantage of his age, it's not as black and white as you may think it to be.
I was blaming his parents strange man responding to a year old comment. But given how fucked up their child is I suppose it shouldn't be a surprise the parents aren't involved with their kid at all.
Are you surprised that there are teenagers that do that. Remember projared Remember those Teenagers that used that event to steal money from people and when they were find out they lied they ran off the Internet with the money they got from said lie.
@@GeuseWRLD Why are you surprised Literally in 2 thousands we had gangwars and stuff When teenagers We're openly doing worse stuff. Or how many car crashes they were on being chased by the cops We've set stolen cars. Like I used to live in Newark NJ None of this is surprising for me it should not be surprised of anybody. Teenager in that town will beat you up still all your money shoes and if you have a nice car parked in Newark see what happened. A teenager will steal everything in and off the car and leave it on bricks including a chair. And if you confront them well You better be prepared to be found In weekway Park Lake. Yes they did find a body there A couple of times.
@@lonelywolf5659 but projared he did fucked up, but the pedo accusations and the other shit it was all lie, and was his wife who did it, and besides zack is def not a teenager that you would look and be afraid of, hes literally a walking stickman for being so thin. nairo fucked up because he didnt control the situation like a adult should
I swear the blonde hair was alparads worst decision. My guess is the bleach started to seep into his skull killing enough braincells for him to keep the hair and side with nairo.
ZeRo gets banned off of an allegation and a bunch of lies from distrustful and jealous people who plotted his downfall while Nairo has admitted to what he did and everyone was well aware of what was going on with Nairo and Zach along with the fact that Zach was known to do exactly what he was accused of. Nairo's story makes little sense and regardless of you thinking it's true or not he still allowed it to happen and if ZeRo and others deserve to be banned then Nairo more than deserves to be banned.
Jfc. Zero is a not a good person. Nairo isn't gay first of all. I'm a straight dude. I've been called a gay dude's boyfriend before as a joke. Y'all have zero life experience... Just like ZeRo.
Remember kids, if you are playing a sick game you can get off from anything. Literally the only person not welcomed back is the one who had stopped playing tournaments already.
the only logic I see here is collecting clicks and likes. if this was about any form of justice, he would go with this ideas to court/police/etc. and not make it public
Ayo my DK smoovin in this 👀 On a more serious note: The biggest issue is how many people still support and watch him/make him one of the biggest figures in smash. Even if he gets banned his support is what's the issue
It might be like the Leffen situation, literally everyone dislikes him now. I'm sure if enough top figures or people express disapproval or disdain for Nairo, could easily destroy his following and view count. You will always have a few stragglers who will support him for some reason or another but it could happen. And I'm hoping that's what this may cause.
An interesting thing you pointed out is how he couldn't show the contents of the document for court, and now that is no longer necessary. So...Like you said, similar to the Jisu situation, now would be the perfect time for him to pull out the evidence. No one can say you were in favor of ZeRo either; I have been watching and following for a pretty long while now, and I remember because of my own bias, how unbiased you were towards ZeRo, you made sure to get on what he did as wrong; you were not as courteous as Technicals. Because yes, what they did is weird. I'm sure even he agrees.
Why? There are many legal court documents that aren’t made public. We’re all nobodies - and the fact that you feel entitled to someone’s personal and private legal proceedings show how naive you are about the importance of human rights of privacy. Anytime you are accused or have to go to court, I demand you post those documents to the public. Thanks!
@@tomb5511 I am well aware of that, but that's a general thing. I am speaking about this specific document in particular - in a case where it looked like a grown ass man flirted with a 15-year-old boy and fucked him. Said adult who receives support from a community of people who are just NOW beginning to find the context of what he was doing a little suspicious at the very least, after years. A case involving many big names and figureheads in this particular community. I don't care if you call it naïve, but I would like to be apart of this community and if they are going to ban someone for telling a bad joke or ban someone for creepy texts with a minor, but then Nairo comes along, I think a precedent should be set. And the only thing that would go against that, logically would be document that would, "Ultimately exonerate" him. I don't need to see the damn document, I don't care about Nairo. I would just like him to be fucking banned until he can prove otherwise, if he even cares enough. So, you're very welcome asshole.
@@GSEleven Hm. Sorry for coming off rude. But I just dislike when “doing what’s right” is done the wrong way (such as persecution based on subjectivity). When you say you want him “banned until he can prove otherwise” is the same mentality of “guilty until proven innocent” - precisely the same logic anecdotally used when we accused women of being witches and they were guilty until they could prove they “weren’t a witch”. Salem witch trials. So regardless of how you and I feel- we must always favor “innocent until PROVEN guilty”. And if it can’t be PROVEN other than a bunch of people saying a bunch of things to contradict each other- then that shouldn’t be grounds for GUILT. Can we at least agree on that?
@@tomb5511 We don't even disagree on this GENERALLY, and it's not even that you lack the fucking context to understand this. I genuinely don't know why this isn't clicking in your head sequentially. I can only assume it is because you're trying to view this in a broader scope and remain general rather than zooming into what is going on in the situation itself, which causes you to conflate banning Nairo from Smash events to the Salem witch trials. So allow me put this into perspective for you. This is not in any context similar to the Salem witch trials. Yeah, when false accusations are made, they can be viewed in that light. This is not one of those cases. If the accused party were stated to be a witch, if memory serves me right, they would be killed. Nairo will face no consequences from being banned, he isn't being jailed, he will still stream his content and have friends on his stream, he isn't losing any money. People in the Salem witch trials were fucking dying. And I get the point you are making isn't that they are 1:1, rather it is akin to that. But no. I still disagree. I just fucking told you the motive behind wanting to see the legal documentation that would exonerate him, and you view that as me saying he's guilty baselessly. People have been banned for less, people have even been arrested and jailed for less. Cinnpie is banned and rightfully so, however there is LESS evidence than her doing anything with Puppeh than there is with Nairo doing stuff with Zack. We literally took his word and banned her ass. ZeRo was banned, rightfully so, but yet again for doing LESS than Nairo, and he was accused of more than Nairo, but had been cleared on all of his accusations except the one, which despite there being a gap between the dates in the screenshots and when the actual conversations took place, there was STILL no incriminating evidence. And yet his ass got banned. Anti, literally wasn't his fault. But he should be banned for displaying he was unfit to be in a circumstance by enabling underage drinking and some other actions. Nairo, from the accounts of 4 different people had been feeding into the immature dynamic of Zack flirting with him. Even if jokingly? As a 20-year-old man at the time, I'm 19, that isn't something that's normal. I wouldn't flirt or cuddle with a middle schooler, that is the last thing I would joke about and it's genuinely disgusting. The only reason Nairo wouldn't be guilty of escalation, is if you somehow manage to believe that he has been getting blackmailed into feeding into that dynamic, the dynamic which has evidence of it being fed into - even unprompted in an instance by Nairo, from the start. And I'm not buying it. I get you saying if the Vic Mignogna situation or the Lui Caliber situation were akin to Salem witch trials, because the parties making the accusations had literally no evidence to substantiate their claims. They cried wolf, and people acted accordingly even when there was no evidence. Even with the Johnny Depp situation, same thing happened. Nairo, if absolved from accountability regarding sexual misconduct with a minor by the document ultimately changes little to nothing because he is still guilty of escalation. If TKBreezy and Dabuz can easily say no or express discontent for how those actions look, I don't see why Nairo couldn't. So then, you have his lawyer come out and explain how he has a document conjured by the 7 magic dragon balls stating how it could exonerate Nairo even with evidence to the contrary, and when so many people are pushing to get you banned and defaming you, you're not going to show it? Maybe he can't but again, it changes nothing. He should still be held accountable for finding it okay to cuddle with and flirt with a minor. By doing those things he expressed that, similar to Anti and MVD, that they shouldn't have been allowed in those situations because they don't have the capacity to do the right thing; they were unable to be held to the standards of a regular adult who wouldn't flirt with a child.
@@tomb5511 And the part about it being handled incorrectly. The dude was already banned for this, but then everyone campaigned to get him unbanned because he had reached a legal agreement with Zack. We took word of mouth from who has displayed he lacks the brain capacity to be held to the same standards as an adult, that he was the victim. When he was feeding into a relationship with a minor. Cagt stated he couldn't remove people from the GBD unless they provided them with evidence contradicting their ban. I am telling you this because they literally operated on a guilty until proven innocent system WAAAY before Technicals campaigned to dispute Nairo's unban. And he almost used the momentum for the ZeRo situation to make a bigger move while he had the most eyes on his channel he could, but it was halted and staggered by the commentary community, there was literally nothing he could do about that.
HOLY SHIT THANK YOU FOR CLEARING UP LEGAL AGREEMENT VS INNOCENT. I SWEAR I SEE EVERYBODY SAY "He has a legal agreement so he's innocent." AND I FEEL LIKE I'M THE ONLY PERSON THAT ADDRESSES THE FACT THAT LEGAL AGREEMENT ISN'T THE SAME AS INNOCENT. THANK YOU!!!!!! Also your other points were very clear and concise plus you take all(if not)most perspectives into account. Great stuff man.
IF a legal agreement is the same as being proven innocent (according to the smash community), wouldnt they have to unban/forgive zero? he had a legal agreement with jisu sooo it seems pretty dishonest to me
@@CraftingAltmost of those although, unlike nairo, were proven false, and the "nude pics" to the minor may be a false rumor spread by jisu. Only thing he is liable for is talking inappropriately to a 15 year old. Far far far less egregious as Zack and nairos case
Honestly the same thing applies to zeros case. Regardless of the hentai or whatever else he was accused of. Flirting and telling a little girl that shes your little secret is a problem.
I used to support the movement back when the unbanning happened, because without the screenshots it was tough to debunk since there was a settlement and people who previously condemned him switched stances. Tech finding the incriminating tweets was enough conclusive evidence to realize it was not as one sided as Nairo made it seem. I do think some of the people who still support him haven't seen the screenshots just from the fact Tech is the one spreading them and a lot of people just dislike Tech so they don't engage. I engaged without some outside of tech threads and after seeing the screenshots they did start doubting Nairo, so it seems to be, as you said, a problem of mob mentality and following and trusting your favorite top players.
A lot of us were guilty of the mob mentality, including thefranChise. You don't have to like Technicals to agree with him, I just think it's best to at least see what they're saying. If someone is causing THAT much of a ruckus, don't JUST ignore it, regardless of if you don't like them or not. Is my advice.
What bothers me is that all he's accused of is way out of character for him. I followed his content before and after the case and not in all his hours have I gotten that vibe from him. You'd think he'd at least come out as bi/gay after that if that's truly how he felt, but he hasn't. And he's had plenty of opportunities to do so.
@@CrazyHand7894 I actually wouldn't think that. No person should be expected to publicly announce their sexuality, as it is a mostly personal issue. So Nairo even in this case doesn't owe to disclose anything on that matter to his fans.
It's wild how all of this evidence clearly shows how disgusting this behavior from Nairo is, but the Smash community will just ignore it because he is popular.
as someone who still shamelessly watches nairo vids, i absolutely agree that he has never proven his innocence and that he should not have been formally unbanned from tournament venues to begin with. to his credit he's done the best possible thing for himself by showing enough self-restraint and staying in his own lane the entire time, but if for some reason he ever decided to visit an event again, there will sure as fuck be some massive issues.
The thing is, I doubt he'd ever want to anyway. The whole thing messed him up BIG TIME, to the point that he's not even tempted to return to tournaments. Let me remind you that he was a great competitive player and tournaments were his livelihood. That's no small thing.
The smash community needs to beat the shit out of him. He literally instigated a relationship with a child, some people need to be punched in the fucking face. I don't like it, but fuck this banning and unbanning doesn't do anything
It's funny cus I respect Nairos skill as a player but then I hear him talking like he's the hottest shit around and I'm like "dude don't get to full of yourself, you fkd a child and flirted openly on your socials. Wtf?!"
Even though I enjoy Tech's personality and gimmicks the most on doing these expose pieces, I personally liked this video better! You hit the nail alot harder on how heinous this all is. You covered every single angle, counter argument, possibility and variables alot harder and resonated alot more morally and emotionally. You really made sure you pointed out the MORALITY in all this nonsense from all angles to see it and how it without a doubt warrants an official ban even in the most charitable interpretation of the situation. I applaud this video alot and it's definitely my favorite one talking about this situation. Props!! 🙌👍
It's just disappointing that someone so beloved, who until today I enjoyed the content of, did this type of thing and most of the fanbase just doesn't look far enough into things to see the truth. Thanks for opening my eyes to the real Nairo.
The problem with this community is that everyone wants to be an executioner and no one lets the law do their job. That's one of the big mistakes of cancelation culture.
Nairo was my favorite Smash content creator and initially the mythical document gave me hope for his exoneration. Though as time passed, and you really look into it everything looks HORRIBLE. It appears horrible, it sounds horrible, it feels horrible. Yet somehow people rally behind him and others before him get banned for seemingly less horrid claims or deeds than what Nairo has "allegedly" done. He truly is Smashes golden boy, and they'll do everything they can to uphold his reputation.
Nairo is a groomer and I am ashamed to have participated in my local competitive scene back in college. This vid is about Nairo but similar things were happening with a lot of big players. Smash Bros( a game i used to love) is dead to me I think it’s dead to everyone else outside the community too. It’s Like a tree struck by lightning sure it’s still standing, but give it time it will eventually be gone
@@YouRrightman a multiplayer game. community is kinda important. if the Mario 64 speed run community blows up you can still play Mario 64 cus it's a single player game. I don't know anyone wo can play at the level I used to play and simply put I don't care to try to find anyone cus they are stinky pedophiles that I don't want to associate with. THAT IS WHAT THE NIARO SITUATION DID. in a world of cringe gamers the competitive smash community is the worst.
I had no plans today but I do know that 20 minutes of it was immediately allocated to watching this video. Also Nairo's case broke me. He was easily my favorite to player, but I just can't give him an audience anymore. I don't care about any supposed pressure, blackmail, or what. True or not, what happened happened, and I just can't look at him the same.
Let’s put things into perspective: I’m an elementary school teacher. If I did any of this shit that Nairo has done with any one of my kids (have them lay their head on my lap, publicly flirt with them, have them over at my house by ourselves), and if any of their parents found out about it, do you think I’d still have a job? I’d most likely been in jail, or at the very least, wouldn’t be allowed to work at my school anymore. Why can’t we apply that same principle here?
It's because the entire competitive smash community feeds off of cancel culture. They spend all of their time on Twitter, and would publicly shun those who don't fit in the status quo. They mock those who "lacked social skills" despite lacking some themselves
I wanna say that Deezus admitted in a fwob stream that people in the community knew about Nairo's and Zack's relationship, but no one stepped in at all. This was after Zacks confession and before Nairo's comeback.
Because people will realize what it actually is. How you phrase things will come out totally different depending how you say it. Hes not grooming, he's being a passionate hands-on instructor. "He's got potential man"
Before a lot of the stuff came out, most people didn't imagine that there could be quite a relationship underneath. In fact most people who saw these things, even at locals testified that they thought the two were just really close friends. Same with the Puppeh and Cinnpie thing because people knew she wsaa mentoring him, so they thought it was teasing. The vast majority of people are not going to assume the worst (you know statutory rape or illict relationship) without adidtional information or context. This is a classic hindsight is 20/20. Now afterwards, well we have more context now.
Nairo changed his story 3 times. 1. Denied it 2. Admitted it 3. Claimed he was raped and has a 30 page document that exonerates him that almost no one has seen. Why would someone change their story 3 times I wonder?
I'm not saying this is guaranteed the case here, but this isn't a strong case since there are thousands of cases where victims of SA change their story several times for various reasons.
@@SSStephen_o7I know that being a victim of this type of crime is absolutely horrible but changing the story multiple times simply takes away all your credibility and makes you look like a liar
The basis for your argument is really wrong. Many times what people want in situations like these ones is closure, acceptance, and to continue on trying - trying! - to carry on a normal life as much as possible. If the arrangement was reached between the parties involved, and there are no criminal charges being levied by authorities, then it is very believable that those involved have agreed to settle the matter and move on with their lives. This much should be respected by outside parties regardless of the context or circumstances that surround the event. Now, whether that 'exonerates' anyone in the court of public opinion, that is a different matter altogether. But honestly this peanut gallery nonsense that is a mainstay of gossipers and drama chasers is pretty ridiculous and frankly gross.
I do agree the ban/unban situation is unfair and biased, though. No arguments there. Nairo made mistake. Whether you want to crucify him at the cross for the rest of his life is one thing, whether he should be treated with privilege in the community is another.
The issue isn't the fact that Nairo is in the wrong, it's the fact with how the community reacted and still reacts to it. People are fine with Nairo doing his own thing. People just want to see consistency with TO's and the community like how they treated ZeRo despite the fact that what he did was allegations and he never got arrested for that either. They condemned ZeRo, which is a perfectly valid reaction. But they can't do the same with Nairo because he is beloved by the community.
I'm glad you made a point to highlight the difference between the Nairo and Zero case....Zero; got in front of the issue, admitted to everything he did wrong, was completely honest and transparent in the whole situation, and he got crucified by the entire community.....where as Nairo; Got lawyerd up, claims to have a document the proves his innocence, that nobody has seen, LIED about having relations with Zach, and he's absolved.....it make absolutely no sense
@@KazeShikamaru I'm saying the act of him doing that clearly shows his guilt, obviously he never should have did that shit in the 1st place but seeing as he immediately got legal counsel shows that hes definitely guilty
@@cobbyay No? It shows that even you can't be unbiased about your own actions. A legal acquittal is the best way to show one's own innocence. As for why he hasn't shown the document, why should he? It's a private matter that already got settled. How would showing it now help matters? It's clearly a sensitive subject.
If I were part of other platform fighter communities, I would put rules that not only protect minors but also protect pros reputations from being raped.
"Why hasn't he posted the document after they settled" Cause they settled out of court. Like you said, Nairo had to agree to keep the info confidential otherwise he breaches the legal contract and can get sued by Zack. He had no reason to settle, unless he was also in the wrong. Usually people settle due to that reason.
I can't even believe that we have to humor that discussion to begin with. The case should start and end with "Nairo had sex with a minor, making him guilty of statutory rape." End of sentence. There should not even be any discussion about this settlement. I would not even be remotely surprised if part of that settlement involves him paying Zack a portion of whatever he makes from streaming, and the people who supposedly saw it are vouching for him just so that he actually can stream and not go bankrupt.
I see this all the time to, people don't understand that when you settle you normally agree to not push the issue any further, which means you can't just post your evidence online. But today most people really do just want to settle things with the court of public opinion
@@ensanesane it's funny how people try to bring up an argument when they don't know the legal system. The innocence project is there to help those whose been wrongly convicted by exonerating those who have already been incarcerated. Nairo never went to prison cause he never went to trial. The innocence project wouldn't even work because there is actual proof of Nairo flirting and cuddling with a 15 year old kid. He let a 15 year old kid blackmail him into having sex with him. If he had to come to a point where that's the only logical choice to get him out of a bad situation, he has already screwed up in life for him to come to that conclusion. He settled because he wasn't gonna win the case.
People settle all the time. It is common to see that in a settlement both parties are not to release any legal documents outside of those approved by both parties in the settlement. Heck with plea deals (which is a form of settlement just on the criminal side), we find that not guilty people take them all the time often decades later. So i disagree with your statement that settlement = liable or guilty. Sometimes even if you are correct it is smarter to go for a settlement since 1. Evidence is usually not disclosed to the public and 2. Less headaches, emotionally and financially.
It’s weird to me how ZeRo gets shunned after what he did was proven to not be as serious than Nairo’s case, but when Nairo has sex with a kid, he’s easily welcomed back as if nothing had ever happened. I’m not saying ZeRo should be welcomed back, but holy crap this community is truly nepotistic lmao, I hope it crashes down one day.
It’s so puzzling how the creators whom are hyper focused at going after Nairo (rightfully so) fail to acknowledge Zero deserves the same focus, even if his crimes are (at least apparently) less severe. It just seems like the “this person is my friend” factor is the only factor on any of these cases. Both parties being absolutely merciless against the other guy and completely forgiving with their friend. And all these mountains of evidence and morality grounds while completely ignoring the victims feelings and damage, which it’s literally the most important thing.
I should be in the Nickelodeon all star brawl community, at least they're kind but mistreated by toxic smash fanboys who keeps saying NASB is "dead" when it is living in my heart to protect and will slay anyone who will try to defame it. Nintendo doesn't have good or even no support at all when Nickelodeon all star brawl has so much developer support
@@kaizuhrrx1551 I played it the other day, my friends still play it. There’s still a scene for it. I was much more hype when Jenny was announced in NASB than I was for any other character in smash, other than maybe Joker. Just cause you don’t enjoy a game doesn’t mean it’s dead. Besides I’m sure it will jump back up in players now that the smash community is being turbo-fucked by Nintendo, Panda, and Pedophiles
"you can't ban nairo because he's banned in twitch and doesn't go to tournaments anymore" is the equilavant of "your honor, you can't exonerate this guy for robbing a store because he didn't returned to that store and stopped robbing anymore" tbh
That's a horrible comparison. What has Nairo done since then? He only streams in RUclips and ocassionaly plays with other content creators. That's it. He's no danger to anyone. It's not for us to determine his fate. It's for the legal system and that's already done.
@@CrazyHand7894 he's still had an oral sex with 15 years old tho, you can argue all you want about how he changed etc but that still doesn't make the severity go away, same with robbing a store/bank, you can argue you just came once and never comd back to the same store again but you'll still get punished. Correct me if I am wrong tho
People in the Smash community are like "BRUH what's the point of banning Nairo if he doesn't want to go back competing anymore? Blah blah blah." In that case, do you guys think that ZeRo has a good reason for being banned even if he has lost interest to go back competing at tournaments before he got exposed back in July 2020?
there was no point to banning zero...thats the point you dumb fuck. Zero wasnt even in the wrong, there are many videos proving that he wasnt and the girl lied to take advantage of the metoo movement. Do you think before you type you dumb fuck. There is literally 0 reason to ban someone whos never going to a tourney lmao, ESPECIALLY when their career was practically in shambles
Good point. But, in my opinion, ZeRo needs to be banned for the sake of PR. More people probably heard all the allegations than Technicals' debunking them, with the exception of the Katie stuff. And more people would probably not have heard how he's not a pedo from Tech, rather that they would think he is. I think Tech knows this, he said that the Katie thing is good grounds to keep him banned. (This is not important to my argument, but let's not forget that ZeRo's 1000% retired from tournaments, so he wouldn't go to any of them in the first place.)
Are you talking about Nairo or Zack? Nairo was 19 at the time and has been attending without a guardian for years. Some places allow you to book hotels and the like even young as 16 without a guardian, though most usually require you to be 18. I think Zack's situation is a bit weird and they usually don't accompany him to a smash tournament. The grassroots community is based on trust. Though you can call it naive, it is essentially a community of people who have passion for their small niche and such that everyone knows each each other and willing to trust each other it is how it was for decades since Nintendo is pretty hostile to them even pre-2020 scandals. Also the community has a huge distrust with large companies coming diwn and imposing their will. Even grassroots communities have favorable views towards the creators are hesitant toward their parent companies for reasons such as too much control imposed (Nintendo gives some strict requires) and past behavior (Street Fighter was this until Capcom proved that they could be trusted to let the community run mostly on their own). Now this can lead to problems down the line as a scene grows bigger. Examples may include ingroup behavior and nepotism. Not necessarily saying that the Smash community as a whole is this (it has gotten pretty damn big such that there are several cliques and production companies with competting interests), but a good chunk of people don't forget about their grassroots origins.
@@mr.punisher5100 ah my mistake then. But my theory of grassroots community still probably holds. The parents likely interacted and met locals and people who would accompany Zack to tournaments and ended up trusting then. Before 2020, there weren't any major scandals involving children like this before, the parents likely trusted these people and that Zack would be responsible enough to keep out of trouble. You can say it is naive or irresponsible of them but without knwon Zack's parents I wouldn't make conclusions about them.
I'm not gonna lie this hurt to watch, but this needed to come out! Nairo is someone I love and support a great deal and when the whole allegations of 2020 came out I was heartbroken. I didn't want to believe it, but when Nairo's statement came out, I immediately accepted it as true, because I, as well as many if my friends wanted nairo back. Still over the past two years, I watched Techs videos about the Captain Zack and Zer0 case and they both left me with some unsure feelings, still what both provided was the truth. Still today, even after watching these videos, that dive into the truth of what happen a part of me wants to deny it, because of my blind faith in Nairo and just wanting things to back to how they were. It's shitty I know, but that's the power of influencing young audiences. I'm 18 now, and I've been enjoying the competitive scene since I was 14. I've never competed in tournaments, just watched them and saw top players be awesome. But yeah, Nairo dropped the ball so hard. Like why...even though I don't think he's truly a sick pedophile, just why would he put himself in these situations as the adult? It shows a lack of maturity and responsibility. Thus he should be banned.
A lot of people don't understand why nairo would put himself in a situation like this, but there has been a lot of speculation about Nairo having some kind of autism which may explain why he reacted the way he did in this situation. But once again it's all based off speculation there is not real evidence that nairo actually has some kind of autism
I understand how you feel it's happened to me and many others I wanted to think were innocent but weren't. Nairo may not be the monster people portrayed him to be but he sure isn't a saint is a real idiot to have put himself in that situation in the first place. All I've learned is to never put people on pedestals and to distance myself from content creators and stop seeing them as people I should up to and instead as people whom can entertain me for a little.
Everything u said rn is how i feel rn... It sucks seeing someone who u look up to risk their career and do this shit, i want to believe hes not a pedo but everything thats been shown to him has made me more heartbroken than it already has. I just wish he took accountability and not try to bury under the rug, it just makes it him look even worse.
As funny as this shit is, probably true. They like a lot of these guys this much because they press buttons good. ZeRo was the most notorious campers in all of Smash. Chris McLean said, "Alright Campers" so he picked Diddy.
Yeah, I'd agree going off of being banned or not he's wrongly represented ESPECIALLY being off of people like Salem and Samson still being banned. Should he still be allowed to be an entertainer, also of course. Believe it or not, "people can change" yes, I'm sure that's heard a lot but it's just simply true
Hmmm, I wonder if this is at all related to why Nintendo won’t endorse the competitive scene? Everyone seems to be mad at Nintendo for not wanting to give a license to events. But if events are ok with having predators attend… it’s almost like a family-friendly company wants officially recognized events to be safe for minors. Despite wether or not that’s the actual reason, I really don’t think the community has any right to complain considering it’s a possibility that makes a lot of sense.
I honestly agree because I think his ban will help the entire community even Nairo himself. This drama finally be put to rest means he can just be a content creator, or whatever else he wants to do on his RUclips channel
The different ways Nairo and Zero are treated by the community for their accusations are baffling. Nairo, we know for a fact he did sexual acts with a minor, but somehow gets exonerated, while Zero supposedly shared hentai with someone who lied about their age online, and we don't even know if it's true, yet Zero takes all the hate. The difference seems to be in their connections.
Well and their attitudes. I remember that went it all went down, Nairo admitted it and ducked out and we never heard from him until he released his legal statement after going to therapy. In contrast, ZeRo then made not one, not two, but three documents explaining himself each time. The problem was that there was language with classic words and phrases that is attributed to classic deflection, gaslighting, and outright negated statments (ZeRo lied). So essentially, he dug his own grave even more when he was in a bad spot in the court of public opinion. Essentially Nairo played it smarter than ZeRo did. ZeRo burned a lot of goodwill before leaving and seeking legal counsel. While Nairo said he did it, ducked out of town, got therapy (paid by NRG, likely a contractual term), and found a good lawyer. What I also think helped Nairo was that Zack was immensely hated in community for his taunting, actions at EVO, his morally ambiguous relationship with Ally (and blackmailing Ally), and match-fixing (big nono in any competitive game or sport). Heck it was bad enough that Zack's friends testified against Zack's original testimony which meant that Zack's credibility went down the drain even more. I am not victim blaming here, but the fact is that the alleged victim here is no saint which likely contributed to the better public perception of Nairo than ZeRo.
Smash community is weird. If you tweet something that hurts peoples feelings youre cancelled forever. If you actually do any physical harm or actually touch kids, you get unbanned. Dafaq? This is so backwards LMAO
Twitter took it too far and the users of Twitter should be cancelled because they support political correctness If Nairo is banned, let someone who wants to be the Nairo successor like I wanted to be the Leffen successor be there instead
Honestly its really sad that people like you and tech who put hours into making it clear that Nairo should be banned. Then having the videos tossed away by the smash community and them responding and like "omg these guys again get over it bro" or "these guys are really that obsessed with nairo lol 💀". Its so frustrating and I hope that there's a change soon for the better of the game's completive life.
I don't like tech for a lot of reasons, mainly his attitude and how he seems to expose the smash community for personal gain, as opposed to actually trying to help people. Still, the actual facts and presentation should be taken more seriously
@@benro6564 He only plays into that persona because no matter what thats what people believe about him. If he really only did it for attention, he wouldnt only cover the Smash community.
So this Zack dude walked around flirting with multiple smash players. He knew what he was doing, actual dirtbag. They in the wrong for falling for it but he’s no saint.
I honestly don't even believe the so called 30 Page Document even exists. If it actually did exist and it's supposidly so good that it proves Nairo's innocence, why in the hell would you not release it? And before anyone comes at me with "He can't release it because legality" then Nairo is stupid for agreeing to that. Besides, if that really was the case, he wouldn't have been allowed to show it to the 4 people he did. The only good to come from this is seeing Captain Zack finally get the just desserts he deserved, can't stand that little leech.
He doesn't show it because it's private. We're not a court of law, so we have no say in this. I'd bet anything that even if he _did_ show it, people would accuse him of forging it or something. I hate cancel culture.
Is Nairo guilty yes. Should he be banned in tourneys even though he wont attend nor have plans to ? yes. When I discovered Nairo I didn't know about his story with CptZack. Do I believe that he can still make YT content yes, its wrong what he did because he wasn't the adult in that situation but I do believe some people can change. Technicals isn't in the wrong though, techs just wants him ban and not let Nairo restream the events, it is bs how techs got global banned by making a parody of him chocking the chicken to a chick that sells that type of content, now that's what I do call BS.
I find it funny that this is so hard to resolve, but if either was a girl it would be a whooooole lot different even if the girl was older/younger, at fault/not a fault, etc.
I hate to say it dude but despite it not actually being the truth, blaming a 20yo for being assaulted by a 15yo because he flirted with the 15yo is still victim blaming. 15yos are fully capable of assaulting people (or did we all forget about brock turner?) and while flirting with a minor is fucked up, nairo still wouldnt have been "asking for it". thats a fucked up thing to claim.
The fact that Nairo could get away with the shit he did is mind boggling to me. I'm well aware Captain Zack is not guilt free either, but in a scenario with an adult and a teenager, the adult holds way more responsibility in making sure things don't get out of hand. How the ever living hell did he manage to convince people it wasn't as bad as it seemed?? I don't care if he says he "froze up". *You're an adult.* You seriously want me to believe a person 5 years your junior in age was just able to have his way with you and you couldn't say a thing? You were fine with not mentioning that YOU had been assaulted, but when THEY come clean about it you suddenly start to change the narrative? Do not give me that shit.
My guy. Is not that im tryna defend nairo. But u weren’t even there in that moment. Neither was i. How can you talk so much about nairo behavior if u don’t even have a video, photo or some voice mail proof? At the end of the day if it was uno reverse a woman doing that to a man would be a different story. And nobody knows more about nairo and zack relationship than themself. And u don’t even know what negative stuff zack could’ve done too. So they both wrong. Not just nairo
@@JoaquinMaria It doesnt take more than 3 seconds to read the part of the comment where it says "I´m well aware captain zack is not guilt free either". There was not a single moment where he mentioned that zack was not in the wrong too
@@JoaquinMaria your reply is very very off... especially with what was said in accordance to a comment like op's... it is very contradictive and ironic, and thus very much so overly defending nairo and only nairo in a very blind and deaf fashion... it is obvious the very reason such is done is because its obvious, and you are clearly very conscious of, that is the only thing you are present to do... its just odd... to make up otherwise from their comment is clearly just an insecure gaslight...
I hate how it’s suppose to be looked over. People have done less things and have been punished more severely. But go ahead and allow him to be around other kids.
So do you think foreign countries that have arranged marriages between under aged people should all be in jail? This situation isnt really as big of a deal as you think
Good video dude. Hopefully more and more watch it so they can let go of their idolization of Nairo and rethink the case. (Love the use of the Great Ace Attorney music as well, I love that game and Gina so much.)
14:44 For WHAT???
Bro glossed over that like a champ jesus christ
glossed over that so hard you'd think thescore esports made it
for decaffeinating bread
holy crap 😳
@@jwrob9926 LOL yeah I had to listen to that three times. I've never heard of that what on earth.
Nario is allowed to stay in the community after admitting to having sex twice with a minor… but Hax is banned for life.
Fuck this community
i think salem should not still be banned, based upon the fact that what he did was less bad than what others in smash community have done, yet they're still fine but yet salem cant do anything anymore. Seems like community bias/unfairness. The punishment should fit the severity of the crime, but that's not how things are atm in many situations for many people.
I want to honestly thank you for stating this. The most fucked up part of arguing for someone popular to be held accountable is that people underplay it because the guy arguing for this isn’t that big of a name. It legitimately brings a smile to my face seeing the guy who helped form the competitive scene as we all know it today say this.
Also, what about Samsora? Wasn't he the one who helped shed light on this but he got banned for it? I'm happy at least that a great figure like you is not afraid to comment on these issues to a certain extent.
Glad that you speak in defense of your friend Jason, hopefully things would be handled better in an near future
Woah, I did not expect you coming to this video, Jason. But anyways, you're right as usual, common M2K W. This is something that I'm hearing quite a bit lately in the community, because many people have already cleared their name, and others just made their situations worse. I think that those who are actually clear, should be welcomed back and those who aren't should get kicked out.
Hold on, i didn't know that Salem was banned!! Legit, what for? At most Salem was an idiot who was none the wiser, but ignorance shouldn't be that much of a punishable crime.
"Seems like community bias/unfairness" I mean... considering the last i knew of him, he got into a beef with Leffen and "years of research" while Big Leff Ratio him to oblivion? no kidding, is yet another instance of Leffen using his big audience to change a narrative to his favor
In the meantime, im glad you acknowladged it this, even if you don't have the same pull you'd have in the prime years, this is big.there are bigger culprits in this cesspool, ones that divert guilt to others.
And this is why Nintendo will never support the competitive community of gaming
Nickelodeon all star has support from the creators but smash and Multiversus bully NASB
They really pulled a “after investigating ourselves we’ve concluded that we did nothing wrong”
Did a TSM Regi right there xD
yeah i watched the video
@@uncIej2yeah I commented this before he said that 😅
@@pplord3170 fr? my bad bro
i dont understand where captain zacks parents are while all of this is going on
Nowhere ✨
Gen Z parents, being there for their kid at events? What are you, a far right extremist? Parents are supposed to neglect their child, get 9 vaccines, and stop racism and protest!
@@DuncanWilliamsOFFICIAL real af
Year old comment, I know, sorry, but yeah. How do you think he got those predatory and overtly sexual tendencies? Abuse and/or neglect.
He should've been enrolled in a homosexual rehabilitation facility. This could have all been avoided.
Great work franchise. You used too much of my voice tho, so unfortunately I’m gonna have to strike you
cap, I used darknicals voice
Hey technicals, you sucking off LTG still?
@IsaacInfernape2000 (Raman) zero? Proof? Source?
Not that i think nairo is innocent or anything but he has a very good legal reason to not release his information. It's a situation sometimes called the paradox of statutory rape where acknowledgement of one crime implies the other. Therefore both parties can be guilty of a different crime from the same event. Proving his rape case will incriminate himself for a statutory case. Both parties are quite literally better off not pursuing this any further.
replying to give this a little more visibility
exactly
if only technicals knew this
@@christophermauro-barias7451 Technicals doesn't wanna know this. No matter what one thinks about the Nairo/Zack case, Technicals is a scary, untrustworthy person with a messed up agenda.
@@AndreasSaag Honestly I'm all for Tech for exposing the wrongs in the Smash community, but it feels like he's only trying to take everyone down and not improve anything. Like there are people who are in the Smash community that are completely disconnected from the Nairo situation, and are actually trying to at least work with what they have. The whole system is fucked anyway, and Nairo is just one of the worse ones.
I miss his cooking vids...
As you pointed out, if Nairo wasn't so well liked in the community we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Technicals, ANTi, Salem and ZeRo were all banned for lesser crimes because they weren't well liked by the community as a whole or that the right person didn't like them.
Looking at Nario’s channel rn, his view counts used to be so much higher. He used to get hundreds of thousands of views, now he struggles to even make 50k. Which is a good thing. That man deserves nothing but jail time.
@xanander4693 the issue is that he's a free man. RUclipsrs like HyperJumper get banned for less yet predators like Nairo stay
Wait Anti got banned? Since when and for what. No wonder this game’s competitive scene sucks no true character specialist.
@@BaggerFood101Sonix and Acola are true character specialists
the fact that people defend pedos in the smash community is wild
They have done it for years until 2020
>Trusting Alphrad
>With anything
Also I wanna quickly say that Zack ALSO being a scumbag doesn't exonerate Nairo. Just means both people should be banned
Zack's a washed-up mentally broken loser who got off on emotionally blackmailing prominent people in his community. The scumbaggery between the two is levels different
How is zack a scumbag here, if he was underage and did shit w ally and nairo they are in the wrong.
What else did he do wrong?
@@stanchase1130 he did the same thing with Ally, and tried it with Dabuz also but Dabuz did what both nairo & ally should have done, tell him to fuck off with that bullshit. Zack is just as bad as Nairo & Ally lol he’s a whore and a scumbag.
@@stanchase1130 I think it's more the fact that Zack is just a predatory person.
@@stanchase1130 he used his situation to rig wins for him with Ally
This goes far beyond the realm of smash and delves into sports in general. Favoritism towards top players is a big problem. Even if a player commits a heinous crime, some will instantly forgive them because they play the game well.
Yeah its kind of weird how even in this video there are comments defending Nairo lol like he is NOT a victim here
Thanks alpharad what an awesome thing you were a part of
Salem gets banned for not stopping Nairo and Zack from having a relationship, but Nairo is unbanned even though he was the adult in the relationship? Thank goodness there are such morally just TOs in the Smash community.
Because no one likes Salem after he went on a huge tirade on the Melee community.
Nairo is such a beloved figure in the community. It's sad
didnt samsora get banned because he didn't report the relationship? or lied about how much he knew? hes still banned to this day.
@@loycos3648 yeah, this is fucking ridicolous
@@loycos3648 Seems like a lot of people of color are banned trivial reasons.
@@loycos3648 there is more to it than that (its something significant) but i can't remember
The fact that samsarao got banned for not speaking up about Zack and Nairo and tech got banned for making a joke about beating his meat to a person who sells lewd content. Showed me that the community is full of shit.
Samsora used the situation for advantage, even if he wasn't wrong, why he left lmao.
Samsora's ban was completely reasonable - he knew Zack and Nairo were dating, and he let it happen. Knowing about any form of child abuse and not reporting it is a serious offence which both Salem and Samsora were guilty of.
@@KindaKaon I'm not saying Samsora didn't deserve the ban. It just makes no sense how He got banned for not reporting it while Nario himself isn't banned when he was one half of the relationship.
@@KindaKaon So the kid diddler doesn't get banned but the people who knew about it did, man SSBU community is a joke.
@@KindaKaon but like tweek knew and didn't say anything so should he be banned?
Alpharad was part of the unban Nairo movement
I vividly remember how the Zach guy was bragging about seducing him and getting to do things to Nairo. Honestly, I don’t feel sorry for him.
You don't even understand how fast I pressed play bro 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Same
Came into this video expecting it to just be bs. This is insanely well made and completely changed my mind
The man is too popular to be banned. The smash community's ban system is the biggest joke I've ever seen. Just a circlejerk of the popular people silencing people that mention that somebody they like is a bad person
The Leffen thing is an even better example
@@TheStarrySept that's even in the fgc but they are on your ass if you do something wrong the problem is they seem to hide or not mention any of the incidents except the ltg vs ceroblast
@@TheStarrySept Leffen did an evil worse than murder and pedophelia combined
Slander
i mean zero is packed up
@@TheStarrySept Leffen is just the XQC troll of smash smh
The real question is, would banning him be...
OPTIMAL
it really does become worse the more you look into it.
This whole scenario is so stupid. Nairo clearly had sex with a minor, and everyone just ignores that, even if Zack shoulders most of the blame
I agree both are in the wrong
But at least people can redeem themselves like how ZeRo did. But people who shut off redemption (such as claiming some can't be redeemed when they clearly can) against others are making themselves unforgivable
@@bailujen8052 pedophiles are in the group of unforgiveables
@@bailujen8052 ZeRo redeemed himself by disappearing long enough for the heat to die down only to come back and declare "upon further reflection, I decided that I actually didn't do all the bad things that I admitted to (because it hurts my bottom line). Don't forget to like, comment and subscribe!"
@@Charmolution Incorrect dumbass. He dealt with legal action against Jisu. He didnt "wait till it died down": The situation was basically over after he was banned. I dont get how him coming back after dealing with things privately and working out is somehow ZeRo dodging responsibility and downplaying the situation as this implies.
Nairo was a 20 year old who plays a nintendo game for a living at the time, not even old enough to drink. One could argue that Nairo was not a fully functional/developed adult at that time since brains don't fully mature until the mid to late 20s.
Zack was a manipulative predator who took complete advantage of his age, it's not as black and white as you may think it to be.
Where were Zack's parents? Holy hell
Blaming the child..... interesting choice of words...pred..
I was blaming his parents strange man responding to a year old comment. But given how fucked up their child is I suppose it shouldn't be a surprise the parents aren't involved with their kid at all.
i don't think i'll ever get over "he adult hunted"
I gagged when I heard that
i hope is the first and the last time i heard that shit, wtf this even means lmao
Are you surprised that there are teenagers that do that. Remember projared Remember those Teenagers that used that event to steal money from people and when they were find out they lied they ran off the Internet with the money they got from said lie.
@@GeuseWRLD Why are you surprised Literally in 2 thousands we had gangwars and stuff When teenagers We're openly doing worse stuff. Or how many car crashes they were on being chased by the cops We've set stolen cars. Like I used to live in Newark NJ None of this is surprising for me it should not be surprised of anybody. Teenager in that town will beat you up still all your money shoes and if you have a nice car parked in Newark see what happened. A teenager will steal everything in and off the car and leave it on bricks including a chair. And if you confront them well You better be prepared to be found In weekway Park Lake. Yes they did find a body there A couple of times.
@@lonelywolf5659 but projared he did fucked up, but the pedo accusations and the other shit it was all lie, and was his wife who did it, and besides zack is def not a teenager that you would look and be afraid of, hes literally a walking stickman for being so thin. nairo fucked up because he didnt control the situation like a adult should
I swear the blonde hair was alparads worst decision. My guess is the bleach started to seep into his skull killing enough braincells for him to keep the hair and side with nairo.
No one:
Cagt: I don’t make the rules, I just write em and enforce em
ZeRo gets banned off of an allegation and a bunch of lies from distrustful and jealous people who plotted his downfall while Nairo has admitted to what he did and everyone was well aware of what was going on with Nairo and Zach along with the fact that Zach was known to do exactly what he was accused of.
Nairo's story makes little sense and regardless of you thinking it's true or not he still allowed it to happen and if ZeRo and others deserve to be banned then Nairo more than deserves to be banned.
Jfc. Zero is a not a good person. Nairo isn't gay first of all.
I'm a straight dude. I've been called a gay dude's boyfriend before as a joke. Y'all have zero life experience... Just like ZeRo.
The ice cube story for Zero was true, so that first part at least is false…
@@iceyroo no the ice cube thing has yet to be proven the only thing that was proven was zero being flirty with katey
This comment section is wild “allowed it to happen” literally victim blaming
@@onesmart229 well unless nairo can prove that it was a rape the current evidence implies that he let zack back in
And people still wonder why nintendo wants nothing to do with smash community when it comes to tournaments
Remember kids, if you are playing a sick game you can get off from anything. Literally the only person not welcomed back is the one who had stopped playing tournaments already.
who is this “other person”?
@@KaxMergZero
You can get away with murder if you have a sick fox in melee
you and technicals are the only people with logic in the smash community istg
True or not, ruining protobanham victory by putting a sign like a manchild it's a pretty bad move
the only logic I see here is collecting clicks and likes.
if this was about any form of justice, he would go with this ideas to court/police/etc. and not make it public
Also Nickelodeon all star brawl I'd a Gigachad game
Ayo my DK smoovin in this 👀
On a more serious note: The biggest issue is how many people still support and watch him/make him one of the biggest figures in smash.
Even if he gets banned his support is what's the issue
It might be like the Leffen situation, literally everyone dislikes him now. I'm sure if enough top figures or people express disapproval or disdain for Nairo, could easily destroy his following and view count. You will always have a few stragglers who will support him for some reason or another but it could happen. And I'm hoping that's what this may cause.
@@GSEleven nairo is easily the most watched streamer. The community is putting him at #1
@@OranguBANG I do not follow Nairo in the slightest, however #1 on trending IS a big deal. I guess it's a lot more complicated than I put it.
He’s entertaining to watch
Maybe I can put a blacklist of people similar to the unmerciful servant from a parable.
That DK had some good down special spikes
3:08 These are real people, stop talking like they're cartoons! I hate Smash players so much.
Nah, these people talk like robots
I’ve seen cartoon characters have more civil conversations than these idiots 😂
An interesting thing you pointed out is how he couldn't show the contents of the document for court, and now that is no longer necessary. So...Like you said, similar to the Jisu situation, now would be the perfect time for him to pull out the evidence.
No one can say you were in favor of ZeRo either; I have been watching and following for a pretty long while now, and I remember because of my own bias, how unbiased you were towards ZeRo, you made sure to get on what he did as wrong; you were not as courteous as Technicals. Because yes, what they did is weird. I'm sure even he agrees.
Why? There are many legal court documents that aren’t made public. We’re all nobodies - and the fact that you feel entitled to someone’s personal and private legal proceedings show how naive you are about the importance of human rights of privacy. Anytime you are accused or have to go to court, I demand you post those documents to the public. Thanks!
@@tomb5511 I am well aware of that, but that's a general thing. I am speaking about this specific document in particular - in a case where it looked like a grown ass man flirted with a 15-year-old boy and fucked him. Said adult who receives support from a community of people who are just NOW beginning to find the context of what he was doing a little suspicious at the very least, after years. A case involving many big names and figureheads in this particular community. I don't care if you call it naïve, but I would like to be apart of this community and if they are going to ban someone for telling a bad joke or ban someone for creepy texts with a minor, but then Nairo comes along, I think a precedent should be set. And the only thing that would go against that, logically would be document that would, "Ultimately exonerate" him. I don't need to see the damn document, I don't care about Nairo. I would just like him to be fucking banned until he can prove otherwise, if he even cares enough. So, you're very welcome asshole.
@@GSEleven Hm. Sorry for coming off rude. But I just dislike when “doing what’s right” is done the wrong way (such as persecution based on subjectivity). When you say you want him “banned until he can prove otherwise” is the same mentality of “guilty until proven innocent” - precisely the same logic anecdotally used when we accused women of being witches and they were guilty until they could prove they “weren’t a witch”. Salem witch trials. So regardless of how you and I feel- we must always favor “innocent until PROVEN guilty”. And if it can’t be PROVEN other than a bunch of people saying a bunch of things to contradict each other- then that shouldn’t be grounds for GUILT. Can we at least agree on that?
@@tomb5511 We don't even disagree on this GENERALLY, and it's not even that you lack the fucking context to understand this. I genuinely don't know why this isn't clicking in your head sequentially. I can only assume it is because you're trying to view this in a broader scope and remain general rather than zooming into what is going on in the situation itself, which causes you to conflate banning Nairo from Smash events to the Salem witch trials. So allow me put this into perspective for you. This is not in any context similar to the Salem witch trials. Yeah, when false accusations are made, they can be viewed in that light. This is not one of those cases. If the accused party were stated to be a witch, if memory serves me right, they would be killed.
Nairo will face no consequences from being banned, he isn't being jailed, he will still stream his content and have friends on his stream, he isn't losing any money. People in the Salem witch trials were fucking dying. And I get the point you are making isn't that they are 1:1, rather it is akin to that. But no. I still disagree. I just fucking told you the motive behind wanting to see the legal documentation that would exonerate him, and you view that as me saying he's guilty baselessly. People have been banned for less, people have even been arrested and jailed for less.
Cinnpie is banned and rightfully so, however there is LESS evidence than her doing anything with Puppeh than there is with Nairo doing stuff with Zack. We literally took his word and banned her ass.
ZeRo was banned, rightfully so, but yet again for doing LESS than Nairo, and he was accused of more than Nairo, but had been cleared on all of his accusations except the one, which despite there being a gap between the dates in the screenshots and when the actual conversations took place, there was STILL no incriminating evidence. And yet his ass got banned.
Anti, literally wasn't his fault. But he should be banned for displaying he was unfit to be in a circumstance by enabling underage drinking and some other actions.
Nairo, from the accounts of 4 different people had been feeding into the immature dynamic of Zack flirting with him. Even if jokingly? As a 20-year-old man at the time, I'm 19, that isn't something that's normal. I wouldn't flirt or cuddle with a middle schooler, that is the last thing I would joke about and it's genuinely disgusting. The only reason Nairo wouldn't be guilty of escalation, is if you somehow manage to believe that he has been getting blackmailed into feeding into that dynamic, the dynamic which has evidence of it being fed into - even unprompted in an instance by Nairo, from the start. And I'm not buying it.
I get you saying if the Vic Mignogna situation or the Lui Caliber situation were akin to Salem witch trials, because the parties making the accusations had literally no evidence to substantiate their claims. They cried wolf, and people acted accordingly even when there was no evidence. Even with the Johnny Depp situation, same thing happened.
Nairo, if absolved from accountability regarding sexual misconduct with a minor by the document ultimately changes little to nothing because he is still guilty of escalation. If TKBreezy and Dabuz can easily say no or express discontent for how those actions look, I don't see why Nairo couldn't.
So then, you have his lawyer come out and explain how he has a document conjured by the 7 magic dragon balls stating how it could exonerate Nairo even with evidence to the contrary, and when so many people are pushing to get you banned and defaming you, you're not going to show it? Maybe he can't but again, it changes nothing. He should still be held accountable for finding it okay to cuddle with and flirt with a minor. By doing those things he expressed that, similar to Anti and MVD, that they shouldn't have been allowed in those situations because they don't have the capacity to do the right thing; they were unable to be held to the standards of a regular adult who wouldn't flirt with a child.
@@tomb5511 And the part about it being handled incorrectly. The dude was already banned for this, but then everyone campaigned to get him unbanned because he had reached a legal agreement with Zack. We took word of mouth from who has displayed he lacks the brain capacity to be held to the same standards as an adult, that he was the victim. When he was feeding into a relationship with a minor. Cagt stated he couldn't remove people from the GBD unless they provided them with evidence contradicting their ban. I am telling you this because they literally operated on a guilty until proven innocent system WAAAY before Technicals campaigned to dispute Nairo's unban. And he almost used the momentum for the ZeRo situation to make a bigger move while he had the most eyes on his channel he could, but it was halted and staggered by the commentary community, there was literally nothing he could do about that.
Establishing the order of events was critical here. Well made, the nepotism in the smash community is gross
HOLY SHIT THANK YOU FOR CLEARING UP LEGAL AGREEMENT VS INNOCENT. I SWEAR I SEE EVERYBODY SAY "He has a legal agreement so he's innocent." AND I FEEL LIKE I'M THE ONLY PERSON THAT ADDRESSES THE FACT THAT LEGAL AGREEMENT ISN'T THE SAME AS INNOCENT. THANK YOU!!!!!! Also your other points were very clear and concise plus you take all(if not)most perspectives into account. Great stuff man.
IF a legal agreement is the same as being proven innocent (according to the smash community), wouldnt they have to unban/forgive zero? he had a legal agreement with jisu sooo it seems pretty dishonest to me
Settling out of court usually isn't a good thing, like for all we know he could have paid him hush money LOL
There's nothing legally saying he's innocent or guilty that's right.
Thankk technicals
@@CraftingAltmost of those although, unlike nairo, were proven false, and the "nude pics" to the minor may be a false rumor spread by jisu. Only thing he is liable for is talking inappropriately to a 15 year old. Far far far less egregious as Zack and nairos case
Honestly the same thing applies to zeros case. Regardless of the hentai or whatever else he was accused of. Flirting and telling a little girl that shes your little secret is a problem.
However he didn't do such an enormous act like Nairo did tho, and Nairo's case is quite more recent
@@Whitesnake273 theyre both completely in the wrong and both disgust me idk how people just forgive nairo regardless of how mentally fucked zack is
@@pearlssbu8749 no ones defending Zero, but Nairo's case is objectively worse since it actually got physical twice
I used to support the movement back when the unbanning happened, because without the screenshots it was tough to debunk since there was a settlement and people who previously condemned him switched stances. Tech finding the incriminating tweets was enough conclusive evidence to realize it was not as one sided as Nairo made it seem. I do think some of the people who still support him haven't seen the screenshots just from the fact Tech is the one spreading them and a lot of people just dislike Tech so they don't engage.
I engaged without some outside of tech threads and after seeing the screenshots they did start doubting Nairo, so it seems to be, as you said, a problem of mob mentality and following and trusting your favorite top players.
A lot of us were guilty of the mob mentality, including thefranChise. You don't have to like Technicals to agree with him, I just think it's best to at least see what they're saying. If someone is causing THAT much of a ruckus, don't JUST ignore it, regardless of if you don't like them or not. Is my advice.
What bothers me is that all he's accused of is way out of character for him. I followed his content before and after the case and not in all his hours have I gotten that vibe from him.
You'd think he'd at least come out as bi/gay after that if that's truly how he felt, but he hasn't. And he's had plenty of opportunities to do so.
@JMZ "I've never seen this guy flirt with or have sex with a child. Therefore, when there is 100% evidence he did those things, I'm skeptical."
@@CrazyHand7894 I actually wouldn't think that. No person should be expected to publicly announce their sexuality, as it is a mostly personal issue. So Nairo even in this case doesn't owe to disclose anything on that matter to his fans.
It's wild how all of this evidence clearly shows how disgusting this behavior from Nairo is, but the Smash community will just ignore it because he is popular.
Nepotism bayybeee
@@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034do you know what nepotism is?
But the second you criticize their baby (Melee), your head is on the chopping block, no ifs ands or butts
as someone who still shamelessly watches nairo vids, i absolutely agree that he has never proven his innocence and that he should not have been formally unbanned from tournament venues to begin with. to his credit he's done the best possible thing for himself by showing enough self-restraint and staying in his own lane the entire time, but if for some reason he ever decided to visit an event again, there will sure as fuck be some massive issues.
The thing is, I doubt he'd ever want to anyway. The whole thing messed him up BIG TIME, to the point that he's not even tempted to return to tournaments.
Let me remind you that he was a great competitive player and tournaments were his livelihood. That's no small thing.
The smash community needs to beat the shit out of him. He literally instigated a relationship with a child, some people need to be punched in the fucking face. I don't like it, but fuck this banning and unbanning doesn't do anything
That's a damned shame. There's so many people worth watching over him.
Giving a pedophile ad revenue. Good stuff.
It's funny cus I respect Nairos skill as a player but then I hear him talking like he's the hottest shit around and I'm like "dude don't get to full of yourself, you fkd a child and flirted openly on your socials. Wtf?!"
Even though I enjoy Tech's personality and gimmicks the most on doing these expose pieces, I personally liked this video better! You hit the nail alot harder on how heinous this all is. You covered every single angle, counter argument, possibility and variables alot harder and resonated alot more morally and emotionally. You really made sure you pointed out the MORALITY in all this nonsense from all angles to see it and how it without a doubt warrants an official ban even in the most charitable interpretation of the situation. I applaud this video alot and it's definitely my favorite one talking about this situation. Props!! 🙌👍
Nairo should for SURE go boxing ring
It's just disappointing that someone so beloved, who until today I enjoyed the content of, did this type of thing and most of the fanbase just doesn't look far enough into things to see the truth. Thanks for opening my eyes to the real Nairo.
He should get permbanned. I never knew he was like this.
The problem with this community is that everyone wants to be an executioner and no one lets the law do their job. That's one of the big mistakes of cancelation culture.
Ok pedo
@@miltonpitts4185
That's a good way to exchange ideas.
@@leonguzman801 oh i wasnt exchanging. you out here taking up for a pedo is crazy period
you are the pedo@@miltonpitts4185
@@miltonpitts4185he wants Nairo to be punished by the legal system. He's not defending him
Nairo was my favorite Smash content creator and initially the mythical document gave me hope for his exoneration. Though as time passed, and you really look into it everything looks HORRIBLE. It appears horrible, it sounds horrible, it feels horrible. Yet somehow people rally behind him and others before him get banned for seemingly less horrid claims or deeds than what Nairo has "allegedly" done. He truly is Smashes golden boy, and they'll do everything they can to uphold his reputation.
People who refuse to forgive (cancel culture and political correctness included) are risking themselves being unforgivable
ZeRo banned all for getting slandered
Nairo is a groomer and I am ashamed to have participated in my local competitive scene back in college.
This vid is about Nairo but similar things were happening with a lot of big players.
Smash Bros( a game i used to love) is dead to me
I think it’s dead to everyone else outside the community too.
It’s Like a tree struck by lightning sure it’s still standing, but give it time it will eventually be gone
So is Nintendo and Masahiro Sakurai pedos?
@@bailujen8052 no
Its just a game. Its the community where its bad
@@YouRrightman a multiplayer game. community is kinda important. if the Mario 64 speed run community blows up you can still play Mario 64 cus it's a single player game. I don't know anyone wo can play at the level I used to play and simply put I don't care to try to find anyone cus they are stinky pedophiles that I don't want to associate with. THAT IS WHAT THE NIARO SITUATION DID. in a world of cringe gamers the competitive smash community is the worst.
Imo zack being the unlikable brat that he is for the past few years really helped Nairo bounce back despite what happened
I had no plans today but I do know that 20 minutes of it was immediately allocated to watching this video.
Also Nairo's case broke me. He was easily my favorite to player, but I just can't give him an audience anymore. I don't care about any supposed pressure, blackmail, or what. True or not, what happened happened, and I just can't look at him the same.
Let’s put things into perspective:
I’m an elementary school teacher.
If I did any of this shit that Nairo has done with any one of my kids (have them lay their head on my lap, publicly flirt with them, have them over at my house by ourselves), and if any of their parents found out about it, do you think I’d still have a job? I’d most likely been in jail, or at the very least, wouldn’t be allowed to work at my school anymore.
Why can’t we apply that same principle here?
It's because the entire competitive smash community feeds off of cancel culture. They spend all of their time on Twitter, and would publicly shun those who don't fit in the status quo. They mock those who "lacked social skills" despite lacking some themselves
High-school teacher would be a better analogy.
With the doctor Mario profile picture I can totally see you as one.
bruh what nairo did was wrong but theres something very wrong with you if you think a 16 year old is the same as an elementary school kid
@@edgelord8337 living up to your name, eh?
the fact that the entire community covered Nairo is the most sickening part.
I wanna say that Deezus admitted in a fwob stream that people in the community knew about Nairo's and Zack's relationship, but no one stepped in at all. This was after Zacks confession and before Nairo's comeback.
All of this makes sense, this story is crazy smh. I stand behind this, that ban needs to be done
Why is cuddling and flirting like nairo did not called out as the grooming it is?
Because people will realize what it actually is. How you phrase things will come out totally different depending how you say it. Hes not grooming, he's being a passionate hands-on instructor. "He's got potential man"
Before a lot of the stuff came out, most people didn't imagine that there could be quite a relationship underneath.
In fact most people who saw these things, even at locals testified that they thought the two were just really close friends. Same with the Puppeh and Cinnpie thing because people knew she wsaa mentoring him, so they thought it was teasing.
The vast majority of people are not going to assume the worst (you know statutory rape or illict relationship) without adidtional information or context. This is a classic hindsight is 20/20. Now afterwards, well we have more context now.
When Ban leffen video
He already did a video on leffen
@@vDeadbolt ban william hjelt
@@vDeadbolt and even a song
Evidence.drip
amazing video, great take, more people need to see this
Yeah, where is this 30 page document?! If I was accused of something as serious as this, I would definitely post it for the public to see!
Nairo changed his story 3 times.
1. Denied it
2. Admitted it
3. Claimed he was raped and has a 30 page document that exonerates him that almost no one has seen.
Why would someone change their story 3 times I wonder?
I'm not saying this is guaranteed the case here, but this isn't a strong case since there are thousands of cases where victims of SA change their story several times for various reasons.
@@SSStephen_o7I know that being a victim of this type of crime is absolutely horrible but changing the story multiple times simply takes away all your credibility and makes you look like a liar
@nathanalves3284 I don't disagree, but that's the key distinction. Looking like a liar and being a liar are two completely different things.
The basis for your argument is really wrong. Many times what people want in situations like these ones is closure, acceptance, and to continue on trying - trying! - to carry on a normal life as much as possible. If the arrangement was reached between the parties involved, and there are no criminal charges being levied by authorities, then it is very believable that those involved have agreed to settle the matter and move on with their lives. This much should be respected by outside parties regardless of the context or circumstances that surround the event.
Now, whether that 'exonerates' anyone in the court of public opinion, that is a different matter altogether. But honestly this peanut gallery nonsense that is a mainstay of gossipers and drama chasers is pretty ridiculous and frankly gross.
I do agree the ban/unban situation is unfair and biased, though. No arguments there. Nairo made mistake. Whether you want to crucify him at the cross for the rest of his life is one thing, whether he should be treated with privilege in the community is another.
The issue isn't the fact that Nairo is in the wrong, it's the fact with how the community reacted and still reacts to it. People are fine with Nairo doing his own thing. People just want to see consistency with TO's and the community like how they treated ZeRo despite the fact that what he did was allegations and he never got arrested for that either. They condemned ZeRo, which is a perfectly valid reaction. But they can't do the same with Nairo because he is beloved by the community.
Great report. Comprehensible and to the point 👍
The mental gymnastics people go through to completely derail any ban Nairo discussion is mind boggling to me. Great video as always!
I'm glad you made a point to highlight the difference between the Nairo and Zero case....Zero; got in front of the issue, admitted to everything he did wrong, was completely honest and transparent in the whole situation, and he got crucified by the entire community.....where as Nairo; Got lawyerd up, claims to have a document the proves his innocence, that nobody has seen, LIED about having relations with Zach, and he's absolved.....it make absolutely no sense
Nairo was smarter than Zero. You lawyer up in these situations not make stupid videos and tweets.
@@KazeShikamaru I'm saying the act of him doing that clearly shows his guilt, obviously he never should have did that shit in the 1st place but seeing as he immediately got legal counsel shows that hes definitely guilty
@@KazeShikamaru zero did do that tho
@@cobbyay That's complete nonsense. You should get legal counsel even if you aren't guilty. That's the smart thing to do.
@@cobbyay No? It shows that even you can't be unbiased about your own actions. A legal acquittal is the best way to show one's own innocence.
As for why he hasn't shown the document, why should he? It's a private matter that already got settled. How would showing it now help matters? It's clearly a sensitive subject.
Both Zack and Nairo should be banned.
If I were part of other platform fighter communities, I would put rules that not only protect minors but also protect pros reputations from being raped.
Yes, this is what any one with more than 2 braincells would want.
"Why hasn't he posted the document after they settled" Cause they settled out of court. Like you said, Nairo had to agree to keep the info confidential otherwise he breaches the legal contract and can get sued by Zack. He had no reason to settle, unless he was also in the wrong. Usually people settle due to that reason.
I can't even believe that we have to humor that discussion to begin with. The case should start and end with "Nairo had sex with a minor, making him guilty of statutory rape." End of sentence. There should not even be any discussion about this settlement. I would not even be remotely surprised if part of that settlement involves him paying Zack a portion of whatever he makes from streaming, and the people who supposedly saw it are vouching for him just so that he actually can stream and not go bankrupt.
I see this all the time to, people don't understand that when you settle you normally agree to not push the issue any further, which means you can't just post your evidence online. But today most people really do just want to settle things with the court of public opinion
People don't settle unless they are in the wrong? The innocence project would like a word with you
@@ensanesane it's funny how people try to bring up an argument when they don't know the legal system.
The innocence project is there to help those whose been wrongly convicted by exonerating those who have already been incarcerated.
Nairo never went to prison cause he never went to trial. The innocence project wouldn't even work because there is actual proof of Nairo flirting and cuddling with a 15 year old kid. He let a 15 year old kid blackmail him into having sex with him. If he had to come to a point where that's the only logical choice to get him out of a bad situation, he has already screwed up in life for him to come to that conclusion.
He settled because he wasn't gonna win the case.
People settle all the time. It is common to see that in a settlement both parties are not to release any legal documents outside of those approved by both parties in the settlement.
Heck with plea deals (which is a form of settlement just on the criminal side), we find that not guilty people take them all the time often decades later. So i disagree with your statement that settlement = liable or guilty. Sometimes even if you are correct it is smarter to go for a settlement since 1. Evidence is usually not disclosed to the public and 2. Less headaches, emotionally and financially.
It’s weird to me how ZeRo gets shunned after what he did was proven to not be as serious than Nairo’s case, but when Nairo has sex with a kid, he’s easily welcomed back as if nothing had ever happened. I’m not saying ZeRo should be welcomed back, but holy crap this community is truly nepotistic lmao, I hope it crashes down one day.
W-weLl...N-Nairo was blackmailed! 🙄
@@GSEleven And? He acted, he had sex with a minor, blackmail honestly means nothing, he’s the adult, he should’ve known better
@@InvinciDon Nigga that was sarcasm, I agree with you. Calm down. Who ACTUALLY talks like that? Where have you been on the internet, are you okay? 🤣🤣
@@GSEleven You think most people would take that as sarcasm whenever you say that? Think before you type next time
@@InvinciDon Well, most people I know? Yes. We don't hang around TikTokers and the like, so I am genuinely curious as to why you don't?
It’s so puzzling how the creators whom are hyper focused at going after Nairo (rightfully so) fail to acknowledge Zero deserves the same focus, even if his crimes are (at least apparently) less severe. It just seems like the “this person is my friend” factor is the only factor on any of these cases. Both parties being absolutely merciless against the other guy and completely forgiving with their friend. And all these mountains of evidence and morality grounds while completely ignoring the victims feelings and damage, which it’s literally the most important thing.
Like Chise said, both should be banned.
@@mattgroening8872Not nairo
@@mattgroening8872Captain Zack ist nothing more than a Liar Who's abusing His Titel aß a minor. He is terrible dang scumbag.
@@Chōshinsei2006 dude he had sex with a minor twice
@@Chōshinsei2006🤡🤡🤡
No one talks about the clean DK gameplay in the background
The hypocrisy in both the community and Nairo's fanbase is sickening
I should be in the Nickelodeon all star brawl community, at least they're kind but mistreated by toxic smash fanboys who keeps saying NASB is "dead" when it is living in my heart to protect and will slay anyone who will try to defame it.
Nintendo doesn't have good or even no support at all when Nickelodeon all star brawl has so much developer support
@@bailujen8052 I mean, it is dead be real
@@kaizuhrrx1551 “I don’t play game, game dead!”
@@persephone5025 Nah actually, it didn’t hold the excitement long, MultiverSus is still alive at least
@@kaizuhrrx1551 I played it the other day, my friends still play it. There’s still a scene for it. I was much more hype when Jenny was announced in NASB than I was for any other character in smash, other than maybe Joker.
Just cause you don’t enjoy a game doesn’t mean it’s dead. Besides I’m sure it will jump back up in players now that the smash community is being turbo-fucked by Nintendo, Panda, and Pedophiles
"Adult hunting?" This is an excuse used by actual people?
"you can't ban nairo because he's banned in twitch and doesn't go to tournaments anymore" is the equilavant of "your honor, you can't exonerate this guy for robbing a store because he didn't returned to that store and stopped robbing anymore" tbh
The franchise will pay for unforgiveness
Facts.
bad comparison
That's a horrible comparison.
What has Nairo done since then? He only streams in RUclips and ocassionaly plays with other content creators. That's it. He's no danger to anyone.
It's not for us to determine his fate. It's for the legal system and that's already done.
@@CrazyHand7894 he's still had an oral sex with 15 years old tho, you can argue all you want about how he changed etc but that still doesn't make the severity go away, same with robbing a store/bank, you can argue you just came once and never comd back to the same store again but you'll still get punished.
Correct me if I am wrong tho
People in the Smash community are like "BRUH what's the point of banning Nairo if he doesn't want to go back competing anymore? Blah blah blah."
In that case, do you guys think that ZeRo has a good reason for being banned even if he has lost interest to go back competing at tournaments before he got exposed back in July 2020?
there was no point to banning zero...thats the point you dumb fuck. Zero wasnt even in the wrong, there are many videos proving that he wasnt and the girl lied to take advantage of the metoo movement. Do you think before you type you dumb fuck. There is literally 0 reason to ban someone whos never going to a tourney lmao, ESPECIALLY when their career was practically in shambles
Good point. But, in my opinion, ZeRo needs to be banned for the sake of PR. More people probably heard all the allegations than Technicals' debunking them, with the exception of the Katie stuff. And more people would probably not have heard how he's not a pedo from Tech, rather that they would think he is. I think Tech knows this, he said that the Katie thing is good grounds to keep him banned.
(This is not important to my argument, but let's not forget that ZeRo's 1000% retired from tournaments, so he wouldn't go to any of them in the first place.)
My only question is where were his parents ? Leaving him alone in a room with adults for a night ? What parent does that?
Are his parents really gonna go with him to a smash tournament
Are you talking about Nairo or Zack? Nairo was 19 at the time and has been attending without a guardian for years. Some places allow you to book hotels and the like even young as 16 without a guardian, though most usually require you to be 18.
I think Zack's situation is a bit weird and they usually don't accompany him to a smash tournament.
The grassroots community is based on trust. Though you can call it naive, it is essentially a community of people who have passion for their small niche and such that everyone knows each each other and willing to trust each other it is how it was for decades since Nintendo is pretty hostile to them even pre-2020 scandals. Also the community has a huge distrust with large companies coming diwn and imposing their will. Even grassroots communities have favorable views towards the creators are hesitant toward their parent companies for reasons such as too much control imposed (Nintendo gives some strict requires) and past behavior (Street Fighter was this until Capcom proved that they could be trusted to let the community run mostly on their own). Now this can lead to problems down the line as a scene grows bigger. Examples may include ingroup behavior and nepotism.
Not necessarily saying that the Smash community as a whole is this (it has gotten pretty damn big such that there are several cliques and production companies with competting interests), but a good chunk of people don't forget about their grassroots origins.
He's talking about Zack
@@mr.punisher5100 ah my mistake then. But my theory of grassroots community still probably holds. The parents likely interacted and met locals and people who would accompany Zack to tournaments and ended up trusting then. Before 2020, there weren't any major scandals involving children like this before, the parents likely trusted these people and that Zack would be responsible enough to keep out of trouble. You can say it is naive or irresponsible of them but without knwon Zack's parents I wouldn't make conclusions about them.
Zack is fatherless why do you think he does what he does?
From the very beginning I always said both should be banned.
Both as in Nairo AND Captain Zack?
I'm not gonna lie this hurt to watch, but this needed to come out! Nairo is someone I love and support a great deal and when the whole allegations of 2020 came out I was heartbroken. I didn't want to believe it, but when Nairo's statement came out, I immediately accepted it as true, because I, as well as many if my friends wanted nairo back. Still over the past two years, I watched Techs videos about the Captain Zack and Zer0 case and they both left me with some unsure feelings, still what both provided was the truth. Still today, even after watching these videos, that dive into the truth of what happen a part of me wants to deny it, because of my blind faith in Nairo and just wanting things to back to how they were. It's shitty I know, but that's the power of influencing young audiences. I'm 18 now, and I've been enjoying the competitive scene since I was 14. I've never competed in tournaments, just watched them and saw top players be awesome. But yeah, Nairo dropped the ball so hard. Like why...even though I don't think he's truly a sick pedophile, just why would he put himself in these situations as the adult? It shows a lack of maturity and responsibility. Thus he should be banned.
A lot of people don't understand why nairo would put himself in a situation like this, but there has been a lot of speculation about Nairo having some kind of autism which may explain why he reacted the way he did in this situation. But once again it's all based off speculation there is not real evidence that nairo actually has some kind of autism
I understand how you feel it's happened to me and many others I wanted to think were innocent but weren't.
Nairo may not be the monster people portrayed him to be but he sure isn't a saint is a real idiot to have put himself in that situation in the first place.
All I've learned is to never put people on pedestals and to distance myself from content creators and stop seeing them as people I should up to and instead as people whom can entertain me for a little.
The fact that you acknowledge it is already enough for me.
If Nairo couldn't tell Zach no then he shouldn't be in a place where this can happen again.
Everything u said rn is how i feel rn... It sucks seeing someone who u look up to risk their career and do this shit, i want to believe hes not a pedo but everything thats been shown to him has made me more heartbroken than it already has. I just wish he took accountability and not try to bury under the rug, it just makes it him look even worse.
Bro talks with a blaccent and all his weeb fans keep eating it up 😂
Yea I always thought it was weird how the smash community literally defended a pedophile playing the victim card lmao absolutely disgusting
The reason why no one welcomed Zero back was because no one likes Diddy Kong.
As funny as this shit is, probably true. They like a lot of these guys this much because they press buttons good. ZeRo was the most notorious campers in all of Smash. Chris McLean said, "Alright Campers" so he picked Diddy.
Thats more or less a funny way of putting it. Zero's made clear he wasn't liked by the community/top players.
How the fuck did you guys let this one slip through the cracks
The stupid thing is that Nairo attempts to justify his second "misconduct" with Zack by framing it as a way to cover-up his first "misconduct"
They're both disgusting creatures
You mean to cover up the fact he was assaulted
Yeah, Im sure you’d be clear headed after getting raped,blackmailed and threatened with exocommuncation from your main hobby/how you make money.
Yeah, I'd agree going off of being banned or not he's wrongly represented ESPECIALLY being off of people like Salem and Samson still being banned. Should he still be allowed to be an entertainer, also of course. Believe it or not, "people can change" yes, I'm sure that's heard a lot but it's just simply true
And people who don't want others to change are unforgivable due to Matthew 6:15
Hmmm, I wonder if this is at all related to why Nintendo won’t endorse the competitive scene? Everyone seems to be mad at Nintendo for not wanting to give a license to events. But if events are ok with having predators attend… it’s almost like a family-friendly company wants officially recognized events to be safe for minors. Despite wether or not that’s the actual reason, I really don’t think the community has any right to complain considering it’s a possibility that makes a lot of sense.
I honestly agree because I think his ban will help the entire community even Nairo himself. This drama finally be put to rest means he can just be a content creator, or whatever else he wants to do on his RUclips channel
The different ways Nairo and Zero are treated by the community for their accusations are baffling. Nairo, we know for a fact he did sexual acts with a minor, but somehow gets exonerated, while Zero supposedly shared hentai with someone who lied about their age online, and we don't even know if it's true, yet Zero takes all the hate. The difference seems to be in their connections.
Well and their attitudes.
I remember that went it all went down, Nairo admitted it and ducked out and we never heard from him until he released his legal statement after going to therapy.
In contrast, ZeRo then made not one, not two, but three documents explaining himself each time. The problem was that there was language with classic words and phrases that is attributed to classic deflection, gaslighting, and outright negated statments (ZeRo lied). So essentially, he dug his own grave even more when he was in a bad spot in the court of public opinion.
Essentially Nairo played it smarter than ZeRo did. ZeRo burned a lot of goodwill before leaving and seeking legal counsel. While Nairo said he did it, ducked out of town, got therapy (paid by NRG, likely a contractual term), and found a good lawyer. What I also think helped Nairo was that Zack was immensely hated in community for his taunting, actions at EVO, his morally ambiguous relationship with Ally (and blackmailing Ally), and match-fixing (big nono in any competitive game or sport). Heck it was bad enough that Zack's friends testified against Zack's original testimony which meant that Zack's credibility went down the drain even more. I am not victim blaming here, but the fact is that the alleged victim here is no saint which likely contributed to the better public perception of Nairo than ZeRo.
Well no, Zero also has full chatlogs of grooming a 14 year old
Stop trying to sweep under the rug what zero did. He was chatting inappropriately with a minor and asked for pics
@@dibblemcbibble2787 like those can't be photoshopped.
@@mitrimind1027 these are pages of Skype logs that zero already admitted are real. Fucking cope harder pedo
Ban Nairo! Free Hax!
Ban Leffen again if he kept getting rejected by other FG communities
Smash community is weird. If you tweet something that hurts peoples feelings youre cancelled forever. If you actually do any physical harm or actually touch kids, you get unbanned. Dafaq? This is so backwards LMAO
Twitter took it too far and the users of Twitter should be cancelled because they support political correctness
If Nairo is banned, let someone who wants to be the Nairo successor like I wanted to be the Leffen successor be there instead
Honestly its really sad that people like you and tech who put hours into making it clear that Nairo should be banned. Then having the videos tossed away by the smash community and them responding and like "omg these guys again get over it bro" or "these guys are really that obsessed with nairo lol 💀". Its so frustrating and I hope that there's a change soon for the better of the game's completive life.
I don't like tech for a lot of reasons, mainly his attitude and how he seems to expose the smash community for personal gain, as opposed to actually trying to help people. Still, the actual facts and presentation should be taken more seriously
@@benro6564 He only plays into that persona because no matter what thats what people believe about him. If he really only did it for attention, he wouldnt only cover the Smash community.
because they literally are obsessed with it? LOL
Who gives a shit. This happened years ago. Like honestly
@@yeahright3901 Bruh, maybe Techincals, but you can’t say that they’re wrong.
So this Zack dude walked around flirting with multiple smash players. He knew what he was doing, actual dirtbag. They in the wrong for falling for it but he’s no saint.
I honestly don't even believe the so called 30 Page Document even exists. If it actually did exist and it's supposidly so good that it proves Nairo's innocence, why in the hell would you not release it?
And before anyone comes at me with "He can't release it because legality" then Nairo is stupid for agreeing to that. Besides, if that really was the case, he wouldn't have been allowed to show it to the 4 people he did.
The only good to come from this is seeing Captain Zack finally get the just desserts he deserved, can't stand that little leech.
I mean it went to court there would be something in writing about that.
@@KazeShikamaru 12:11
He doesn't show it because it's private. We're not a court of law, so we have no say in this.
I'd bet anything that even if he _did_ show it, people would accuse him of forging it or something.
I hate cancel culture.
Is Nairo guilty yes. Should he be banned in tourneys even though he wont attend nor have plans to ? yes. When I discovered Nairo I didn't know about his story with CptZack. Do I believe that he can still make YT content yes, its wrong what he did because he wasn't the adult in that situation but I do believe some people can change. Technicals isn't in the wrong though, techs just wants him ban and not let Nairo restream the events, it is bs how techs got global banned by making a parody of him chocking the chicken to a chick that sells that type of content, now that's what I do call BS.
I find it funny that this is so hard to resolve, but if either was a girl it would be a whooooole lot different even if the girl was older/younger, at fault/not a fault, etc.
Captainphag
I hate to say it dude but despite it not actually being the truth, blaming a 20yo for being assaulted by a 15yo because he flirted with the 15yo is still victim blaming. 15yos are fully capable of assaulting people (or did we all forget about brock turner?) and while flirting with a minor is fucked up, nairo still wouldnt have been "asking for it". thats a fucked up thing to claim.
Then both are in the wrong honestly
Nice try diddy
Unrelated but can someone please tell me the song name at 1:12
Unused investigation theme from The Great Ace Attorney.
@@kek-senpai243 thank you!!
The fact that Nairo could get away with the shit he did is mind boggling to me. I'm well aware Captain Zack is not guilt free either, but in a scenario with an adult and a teenager, the adult holds way more responsibility in making sure things don't get out of hand. How the ever living hell did he manage to convince people it wasn't as bad as it seemed?? I don't care if he says he "froze up". *You're an adult.* You seriously want me to believe a person 5 years your junior in age was just able to have his way with you and you couldn't say a thing? You were fine with not mentioning that YOU had been assaulted, but when THEY come clean about it you suddenly start to change the narrative? Do not give me that shit.
My guy. Is not that im tryna defend nairo. But u weren’t even there in that moment. Neither was i. How can you talk so much about nairo behavior if u don’t even have a video, photo or some voice mail proof? At the end of the day if it was uno reverse a woman doing that to a man would be a different story. And nobody knows more about nairo and zack relationship than themself. And u don’t even know what negative stuff zack could’ve done too. So they both wrong. Not just nairo
@@JoaquinMaria It doesnt take more than 3 seconds to read the part of the comment where it says "I´m well aware captain zack is not guilt free either". There was not a single moment where he mentioned that zack was not in the wrong too
@@JoaquinMaria your reply is very very off... especially with what was said in accordance to a comment like op's...
it is very contradictive and ironic, and thus very much so overly defending nairo and only nairo in a very blind and deaf fashion...
it is obvious the very reason such is done is because its obvious, and you are clearly very conscious of, that is the only thing you are present to do... its just odd...
to make up otherwise from their comment is clearly just an insecure gaslight...
Listen Im all for banning Nairo. He did FLIRT with a freaking minor
But please stop victim blaming a person who was raped
😬 geez... these replies are getting to be sterotypically bad... its too cliche its extremely cringeworthy
Also that dude that decapitated his mom was a crazy addition in this lol. I know what I’m searching next
I hate how it’s suppose to be looked over. People have done less things and have been punished more severely. But go ahead and allow him to be around other kids.
So do you think foreign countries that have arranged marriages between under aged people should all be in jail? This situation isnt really as big of a deal as you think
@@free3793 wtf
@@free3793 So tell me. How many 14 year old kids have you thought of grooming lately. 🫠
Around which kids? He's been home the entire time. He himself said he's not going to tournaments anymore.
And one of those people who done the less things were such as ZeRo, Leffen had done horrible things yet wasn't banned
Desperately need that outro music!! Please add it to your descriptions 😭😭
did you find it?
Nope
Good video dude. Hopefully more and more watch it so they can let go of their idolization of Nairo and rethink the case. (Love the use of the Great Ace Attorney music as well, I love that game and Gina so much.)