Death Battle Skyrim vs Dark Souls Reaction | Dragonborn vs Chosen Undead
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The battle was already decided when the Chosen Undead took an arrow to the knee.
😂 I laughed so hard when I saw that
Honestly I can't believe that the chosen undead got married.
Guard life
@@austincollins8781 Well apparently in dark souls marriage is performed via sword to the face so...
His adventuring days are over
A little explanation of the context of the fight:
In Dark Souls you meet a snake named “Kingseeker Frampt”, who asks you to link the first flame and maintain the age of fire. However, there’s another snake that not many manage to find, which is called “Darkstalker Kaathe”, who tells you that the age of fire is basically a scam and that he wants to bring about the age of humanity (an age of darkness) by turning off the first flame and naming you the Dark Lord.
In this fight, the chosen Undead tries to link the flame, while Kaathe seeks help from the Dragonborn to prevent this and bring about the age of humanity. Which in a way makes sense because Alduin would bring new age by eating the world, and the main quest in Skyrim is to prevent this.
The best thing is that neither of the two Dark Souls endings is the good or bad ending. Both have their pros and cons, so both combatants would be the heroes of their own stories.
In the end, the Chosen Undead managed to link the flame, but the Dragonborn was powerful enough to put it out anyway, becoming de Dark Lord.
One of my favourite Death Battles 👍
Wait, this is the little explanation? What does the long one look like?
@@Deedo_67 Dark Souls lore could fill a book. There are hours of lore videos about Gwen, Nito, Seath, The witch of Izalith, the four great souls, the other gods, the dragons, the nation's of the world, the undead curse, demons, Ariamis, the humans and undead you meet, the nature of life/death, light/dark. Also the fluffiness of Pricilla's tail.
Mate, you misinterpreted the role of the Last Dragonborn. It is not to stop Alduin from ending the Kalpa but to correct Alduins corrupted path of domination. In actuality you course corrected Alduin by killing his corrupted form and ensured the end of the present Elder Scrolls universe.
Not to mention the last dragonborn is the speaker AKA the chosen one of sithis, who is the primordial force of darkness.
Along with him being a shezzarine, a avatar of shor. Who is also called lorkhan the god of mankind and son of sithis.
Thanks for the explanation and giving us more context for this fight 😀
this episode was confirmed pretty early before the season started, yet it still caused so much hype when it actually came out. and the track Fireborn is one of my favorites
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Fun fact:
The composer for this fight, Brandon Yates, got a bunch of fans and formed the Death Battle Fan Choir for this fight's track Fireborn.
My best friend was lucky enough to be a part of the Fan Choir
Nice! 😀😎🤟
@@Phantom_Fireside
Holy shit, really?!!?
@@virgilbarrios3174 yep Todd Black, he surprised me with it
@@Phantom_Fireside
That's pretty cool.
The awesome thing about this fights soundtrack is that it was helped created by members of the Death Battle fan community! That's them singing in the background!
That’s a lot of fun 😁
Don't worry. Odahviing (the dragon) didn't really die. In the Elder Scroll universe, dragons can only permanent die when their soul gets absorbed by a fellow dragon or Dragonborn.
Since his soul didn't get absorbed, he can be resurrected.
A trivia for this battle: when the Dragonborn calls the storm in the fight, the team used the wrong sound file for the Shout, using Clear Skies, instead of Storm Call.
Personally, I also think Clear Skies should have been used instead of Unrelenting Force to snuff out the First Flame in the context of the animation.
Also, theoretically, Dragonrend Shout could put away the Chosen Undead's immortality, but that's speculation on my part
An interesting thought there at the end, would love to see what someone very knowledgeable about both games lores would have to say about that.
Dragonrend has the ability to make the immortal dragons experience the concept of morality. Obviously we only ever see it work on dragons in Skyrim, but is that because it *only* works on dragons, or is it because it works on any “immortal” being, and dragons are simply the only eligible immortal creatures we come across in Skyrim.
That’s a really interesting question to contemplate, could definitely see it being argued for both ways. I personally feel like it wouldn’t work, and the shout would only work on dragons since it was specifically designed for dragons, but that’s just a gut feeling on my part. I 100% see the argument that it should also be able to work on other immortal beings though.
@@Brandon34300 I say it like that because I don't remember the words of the Shout, so maybe it really does just work on dragons
@@galahadwolf5818 the brief shout description in game does mention dragons, and the ancient Nordic heroes made the shout with Alduin and other dragons in mind, but I don’t think any of that really confirms it wouldn’t be able to work on other immortals that aren’t dragons.
In theory if it can make the immortal dov experience mortality, and become susceptible to it, why would it not work on any immortal being? All the other shouts work on every creature and character in the game, and dragons are the only immortal enemies you face, so it makes sense we only see dragonrend work on them… I just keep going back and forth on it and don’t know what to make of it now 😂 there’s a strong argument for both sides, might have to look it up later and see if anyone more into the lore has already posted about whether or not dragonrend would work on anything other than dragons.
@@galahadwolf5818 The words are "Mortal, Finite, Temporary", named dragonrend specifically as dragons were the only immortal opponent the ancient nords went up against.
That being said, dragonrend does nothing to other immortal undead creatures such as vampires in game, which suggests it wouldn't be useful against the chosen undead.
@@lanheg good point. But dragons aren't immortal the same ways undead are, though 🤔
When the end of the battle happened, I was initially very confused about who actually won, but after the guys explained it, it became very clear
Yeah same actually
The only true winner is lord sithis.
Haha, us too 🤗
I am declaring that asking for Saitama Vs Popeye will be a tradition for me.
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I would love to see this. If only cause I grew up watching Popeye. (Pretty sure I only saw reruns of it on tv but still)
This turned out to be one of my all time favorite Death Battle episodes and the music track "Fireborn" is one of Brandon Yates's best works. Great reaction!
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As someone who loves both games and played both this battle was honestly close in my opinion but the dragonborn had more options and more raw power
Fun battle to watch 🤩
Yeah it was definitely one of the most epic death battles i I’ve seen in a while
Lol. The fact they left out so many of the Dragonborn's powers and lore shows that, no, it wasn't close.
So I just spent the past week binging all of these. Thanks for keeping it entertaining
They never even touched on Elder Scrolls' most busted ability - the state of Chim.
This is the power to overwrite reality itself as if you're an external force acting on it.
Yes, that's right, the *PLAYER* is canon in Elder Scrolls.
That means, being able to save and load. Pausing to drink a bunch of potions. *MODDING* the game.
The state of Chim was used by Tiber Septim to completely change the climate of Cyrodiil in an instant.
The state of Chim was used by Vivec to freeze a falling planet in the sky.
The state of Chim was used by the Dragonborn to become incredibly sexy. Kappa
Seriously ?? 🤣 the nine divines smile upon you
@@yellow_flash813 Eight divines. Talos aka Tiber Septim was just a dude who learned how to abuse the state of Chim.
Lol. Anti-Talos copium. Mald harder, Thalmor scum.
@@DanceofmasksTalos is a divine, not just a guy with Chim which is only the first of the Walking Ways.
@@thelettucebarrel7784 According to whom? Go ask him and settle this.
Watched this one the other day before I left work it was badass glad u guys r reacting to it!
To put the difference in power in more perspective if the Dragonborn used his soul to link the fire he'd either keeping it going until the end of time or burn the entire Dark Souls Universe away to ash.
Idk how long I've watched you guys but just now realized you had two different channels lmao was wondering why I couldn't find certain things on certain days lol
Yo! Ive waited for this!
The Last Dragonborn didn't even bring his very best in this battle. The Dragon Aspect and Bend Will Shouts weren't even used and those two would of made it more unfair.
Plus if you think about it, in the Soulsborne games you can't pause time when going into your inventory menu but in Bethesda games you can.
And we appreciate that about Bethesda games haha 🤗 it’s nice to catch your breath and dive into bag of goodies
Bend Will is honestly pretty insane. Miraak was able to basically transform a huge amount of Solstheim's inhabitants to become mindless slaves without even being there himself.
Yeah Bend Will can literally make Chosen Undead turn Hollow very Fast.
As someone who has not played either of those games, I was legitimately surprised by how much I enjoyed this one. It was so good! The analysis was excellent, the animation and choreography were top-notch, and the use of menes from both games was perfect. And the music! My goodness, THE MUSIC! I actually got a little distracted from the fight because of how good the music was!
Yeah the music was on point for this one for sure 🤩
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2and the animation in my opinion was at least in the top 2 if not the best to date
They don't go into dragon
borrns black book abilities but i have to imagine him summoning dremora buttler to bring him more cheese every day with long that fight would be
Man the music in this fight is outstanding I love it
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I know the iron helmet is iconic for the Dragonborn but while the chosen undead wore the elite knight set which is decent the Dragonborn was wearing beginner level gear instead of Daedric or DragonBone armor and weapons.
Ikr if they’re going with maxed out skills then the Dragonborn should have had either basic dragon bone or daedric armor and not what you get basically after looting the first body
Even without exploits or glitches you can make the beginning set of armor still be relevant through the game using Smithing, Alchemy, and Enchanting. It just takes a lot of work, time, and grinding.
Well, that’s the difference:
You never become a Demi-god in Dark Souls. But, you can destroy entire cities as a Dragonborne.
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This fight is basically the classic idea of an immovable object vs an unstoppable force and the music is such a loveletter to their games and is one of a kind
kind of surprised that y'all didn't react to the next time at the end
Having no personal experience with either franchise (only knowing a handful of memes), I have no clue if both fighters were represented well. But goddamn the fight is so visually cool. But what really made it for me was the music they used, called "Fireborn". It just sounds SO EPIC!
Dragon born wasnt at full strengh he can use a shout called dragon aspect which releases his dragon soul to increase his power
@@demonic_myst4503 not only that, but they forgot the undead dragon from the soulcairn that the dragonborn can summon too and that, theoretically, dragonrend could rip out the choosen undead imortality.
It's hilarious how ES fans are upset that their guy didn't win enough and Souls fans are like "Losing is what we do best!". Yall won the DB but lost as fans.
@@Reshapable pointing out that they actualy nerfed him and he still won isnt a loss as fansd mate its a statment of fact
@@Reshapable I like both games and yeah, they are not even lying or exaggerating , you say that because you have your favorite, but Darksouls lore is like reading a children's book compared to Elder Scrolls is like a bible of lore, they literally nerfed the dragonborn to like 25% of his potential here considering how many options he really has, some of those options can literally one shot chosen undead.
Never underestimate the power of a cheese wheel
Happy fight-night Friday!!
I loved both of your reactions and I can't wait for the next one you guys do. I am waiting for you to do them all eventually.
Eventually we will 😅
Hehehe My best friend made it into the sountract of this battle.. Im so proud!
This has to be one of my favorite DB, next to sauron vs lich king and snake vs sam
It's my second.. Sauron vs Lich King will always be my number one
@@Phantom_Fireside for me its
S V S
S V LK
DS V SK
Dragonborn could also increase his strength and durability with the dragon aspect shout if needed as well. A fully realized DB is very freakin op in the lore.
i earned you my loyalty and i always like your videos
I'm glad the Dragonborn won. It's about time a character I like wins one of these things.
"Character" Not much of a character, its a self insert lmfao
@@steveharvey3351 You serious Dog? So by your logic Doomguy from Doom and Rookie from Halo must also be just self inserts, totally not actual characters in their respective universes.
@@bloodgroundgaming7871 they have character added through the actual story and lore defining their personalities. The dragon born is supposed to be a self insert because it's about making your own character. I never said he's bad, but there's not much to really like since it's always gonna be different for each person, yknow?
@@steveharvey3351 That's fair I suppose. Still I'm glad he won.
Self Insert, so basically, you're saying you like yourself, lol.
This was a good reaction.
12:58 guys that's Vegeta's scream on Namek from DBZ Abridged. :o
How dare...
you should do sun wukong vs hercules, one of their most fun episodes to date!
Yea I loved that one
I like to suggest some Fire Emblem content. There are Death quotes, Critical Hit quotes, Critical Hit animations and unique boss dialogue videos to be watched. PheonixMaster1 probably has most of these covered for the relative games (FE13 through 17). thank you for time and keep up the good content
really hyped about this one, i love skyrim!
A cool wacky one you could check out is Wario Vs King Dedede: wacky frenemies to Kirby and Mario
Because both characters are basically players self inserts in both games, their true powers are kinda hard to but in a scale that makes sense. I'd say that the Dragonborn is the more powerfull, as thu'um can get really powerfull in the lore in ways that is not even shown in the games, where as the Chosen Undead doesn't have any superpowers, aside from the inability to stay dead and the sheer stubbornnes to try again. Whether or not bend will shout is capable of breaking that stubbornnes is debatable (most likely it can), but that shout is not used in this fight and thats probably for the best.
While Dragonborn has been born with a soul of a dragon, that doesn't make him any less human and mortal. If you stab DB hard enough he will die, just like you and me. Sure he can heal from wounds, but that takes time. The Chosen undead is most likely able to ignore pain better and be somewhat tankier because of that, but even CU is still human. Because CU can respawn he could possibly just tire and wear BD down slowly and then kill him.
One thing that really bothers me in this fight is, how Dragonborn is able to survive the linking of the first flame. There is no way that BD can facetank dragons flame in the lore, like you can in the game. The Fire linking causes a massive firestorm, like you saw in the video and that fire is capable of melting stone and last i checked humans have a lower melting point than stone. Dragonborn would basically become Sarah Connor in that Terminator 2 nuke scene as a result.
With Fire linking this fight would be a draw and thats if you don't count the CU becoming something of a proto soul of cinder as surviving, which i don't, because CU goes hollow a the result of that.
i know it is old but a few things to correct
1. DB has the soul of a dragon meaning his soul is immortal unless a dragon absorbs it only the physical body is mortal.
2. DB could easily tank the linking of fire with multiple ways to achieve that:
1. The skill in restoration allows one to come back to live (once a day i believe)
2. Aetherium magic where one is basically complete invincible for a minute or two
3. Skyrim has no level cap meaning a "maxed out" DB could potentially have infinite Health, Magicka, Stamina and Carry weight.
It's adorable you think there isn't a way for Dragonborn to tank the fire damage. This fight was never even close. Maybe do some lore reading and you'll see why the excluded so much of the Dragonborn's lore to make this fight even remotely "fair."
Err, Dragonborn can easily absorb fire damage. There are multiple ways to do that, but the most common are these 2
1. Magic resist (85% of any magic damage is negated)
2. Magic absorb (this can reach 100% if the Dragonborn is a vampire and has the appropriate perks)
If we go by the latter, the Dragonborn can literally just stand there and absorb flames, lightning, ice, wind, any kind of elemental attack.
There is one other reason Dovahkiin takes this win: Skyrim is the story of how one person survived against all odds, learned their true nature as a demi-god, and rose to the challenge of defeating an enemy who threatened all existence now and forever. Dark Souls is the story of how one person accomplished incredible feats only to learn that they could only keep the cycle going or let it end. So thematically, the Chosen Undead was always going to lose.
This was a very interesting one and really liked to know your thoughts about it,
So, not going to check out what’s next? They show at the end of every Episode.
Yeah we are going to start checking that out with the new ones. We’ve been reacting to the old ones mainly so haven’t had to check them out before 🤗
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2 I see.
I enjoyed this reaction and I want to say cannot wait for your reverse flash vs goku black death battle reaction whenever that happens ... actually I think I would be more excited for your reaction to the thor vs vegeta battle
I didn't care for how the arrow feat was applied but I don't think it would have made a difference, this is one of the most satisfying post fight explanations DB has ever had. And honestly what souls fan is going to be upset about losing a boss battle? It's what we do best!
😂 good point 😜
Yeah but we usually rebound and clap back
While Dovahkiin's official translation is of course dragonborn, other unofficial translations of it have it as something like "born hunter of dragon kind". Just a fun fact.
I saw a cool comment on another video that I'll copy here if i can find it.
"Qverlord
1 day ago
this fight had so many clever moments.
my favorite is the dragonborn realizing the vow of silence is over when the chosen undead can make sound and he used that moment of pride as an opening to turn it against the chosen undead.
the chosen undead linking the first flame is also clever and flavorful to the lore. Remember that when Gwyn linked the first flame he incinerated the black knights that followed him. the Chosen Undead was attempting to do that again here by trying to nuke the dragonborn as a last resort.
and the dragonborn respond was perfect. The dragon shout is a reality bending power, when two dragons fight one another, they are debating on who is correct. To dragon, power is truth, those who are stronger are right and therefore their truth becomes reality in a literal sense. The dragonborn using unrelenting force is him enforcing his will upon reality, he's defying the reality of the flame hurting him. Since the dragonborn defeated Alduin, an entity on par if not greater than the first flame, his will is stronger than the flame and he snuffed it out."
And my response to it was
"Dragonborn really said no you to the first flame and won"
Also Fireborn absolutely slaps. Great song by Brandon
hello again lmao
@@lunarnightcore8416 yeah yeah. Lol. I know I'm posting this everywhere
Something that also tips the battle in favor of the Dragonborn that is completely left out are Enchanting and Alchemy. As they stated, Dovahkin has all stats maxed out, meaning both skill trees are complete. But even without the all skills, Alchemy and Enchanting can be used in conjunction, by creating a potion of enchantment, which is used to create an enchantment of potion making, to create a potion of enchantment, et cetera ad infinitum to eventually create potions and enchantments that literally break the game. For more on how this works exactly, see the Spiffing Brit's video on beating Skyrim with just a fork.
So to put this into lore context- The Dragonborn can become so powerful, he can end the multiple Infinity-devouring Aldouin with a single attack from a simple dining utensil.
I wonder what would happen if the dragonborn used marked for death would it be like the balanced version of the non balanced version with you literaly being able to set your opponents armor value to less then 1%
Don’t forget your Dragonborn can be shot in the head by an ice spike and it shows threw the other side and not be effected
the true challenge of these characters is it could literally be based of the player with the power and abelites
You should check out Heracles and Sun Wukong’s fight next. Also Shazam Vs Captain Marvel.
Imma pitch it, since I _know_ you'll be going back to Skyrim sooner or later.
First off- _Block perks work with the Two-Handed Skill Tree._ Half my gameplay is stamina regen, and sprint-blockcharging my way through everything in my way. Think, a FAT train with a cowcatcher, goin' through a stampede. It. Is. _Amazing._
Second- if you play on PC? You can use the `(~) key to type in command prompts. If you give yourself the "Firebolt Storm" spell (Also maybe use the code to increase color contrast), you can spam giant explosions, Vegeta style. ᵈᵃᵏᵏᵃᵈᵃᵏᵏᵃᵈᵃᵏᵏᵃ ᶦⁿᵈᵉᵉᵈ
Take that goofiness to the civil war questline. You can thank me later.
The part when they say "something infinite cannot fade" and then seconds after procede to talk about how something infinite is devoured.
Wheres the confusion? They were saying that the flame is not infact infinite because it went out. Alduin on the other hand could devour infinite infinities cos broken.
@@yellow_flash813 you can't simply affirm that something isn't infinite cause it faded in a fantasy world where eras are described by that natural process and the flame then proceeds to reignite some other time without anything that gives it power as if real physics would apply to that extent.
Then proceed to say "these dimensions are infinite and could be devoured so Alduin is incredible" instead of saying then by logic and science they can't be infinite cause they can be extinguished.
My problem is with how in one instance this is achievable cause the laws of that world say so but in other not cause laws our world say so. You can evaluate both by our standards to that extent or none.
5:02/20:42 Just a Friendly reminder that gameplay mechanics is our entertainment in video games and it doesn't represent their actual limits of their strength for most game characters and it does not necessarily align and they do not always coincide with the Lore of the game you are playing.
I mean, the thing that keeps getting me about this fight was some small yet noticeable factors that COULD potentially change the outcome
1: The whole reason the Chosen Undead WAS the chosen one in the first place, was the resilience to refuse to go hollow, and not only that, but the whole point of Dark Souls and the Chosen Undead in general, is to overcome the impossible odds placed in front of them, so it feels possible for them to win
2: In Skyrim, the Dragonborn can always die from…damn, ANYTHING! Fall damage, poison, eaten by dragons, EVEN A BASIC BANDIT CAN KILL THEM, and that’s not even just looking from gameplay since there’s a quest where you straight up get poisoned and have to be saved by someone else, so it just feels unlikely that the Dragonborn can avoid the Chosen Undead’s options forever
Still, I agree that more often than not, the Chosen Undead would lose, but the points above were just things I thought of
I’m glad they chose the Chosen Undead for this battle, because if they’d chosen the Ashen One from DS3, it wouldn’t ever end since the Ashen One canonically CAN’T GO HOLLOW
To be fair, if we went by game quests then an early game Dragonborn could scale close to half the power of a Daedric Prince (like Clavicus Vile) who are at least Infinite Dimensional beings. Going by game yes fall damage, regular dragons, and bandits could be very threatening... all this wouldn't apply if using lore.
You could argue that it wasn't a normal poison especially considering you could be a vampire (which are resistant to possibly immune to poison) and obviously it would still work on you... or Nocturnal (another Daedric Prince) simply influenced luck so the poison arrow would work. Another point could be made that this can happen even before becoming Dragonborn. Obviously things would be different if we used lore/endgame Dragonborn.
The battle would still end no matter if it was Chosen Undead, Bearer of the Curse, or Ashen One.
The rule with Death Battle is : Whoever is introduced first loses. At least all the ones I saw.
More like, whoever attacks first loses.
Could you do a Death Battle Reaction to Yang Vs Tiffa.
This only makes me think about the Tarnished from Elden Ring. Now that would be scary.
Pretty sure the good hunter is potentially the most powerful, didn't they become a Lovecraftian god at the end of the game?
Saitama vs Popeye would be awesome
Unstoppable force meets immovable object
Again my only complaint and I know many people agree with me. We're mid-fight they just both stop fighting and chug a bunch of potions .
If Dragonborn can chug potions, that means Chim is being utilized. Which means save/load, mods, and console commands can be used. That is canon in Elder Scrolls lore. The fight becomes even more lopsided lol.
Ypu should the see Sun Wkong vs Hercules Death battle
I respect the lore of Darl Souls.. dark and deep, but i wish that wouldn't be so confusing and hard to figure out during the games.
It only got confusing when ds3 came out.
Think it's time for a dark souls or demons soul playthrough
I didn’t know Ken was into Dark Souls and Skyrim.
check out the skyrim vids they do
Combat god 1 and 2 reaction i recommend it
The chosen undead ignoring Fus Ro Dah was already a bad sign, that puts his resilience above even dragons. Soul Steal is pointless against the chosen undead long term, Dragonborn functioning on one life the entire battle proves him the more resilient, but the chosen undeads tenacity seemingly wins - reasonable for the soul of dark souls players as a collective. I'm a skyrim fan, but objectively the chosen undeads 'training and variety of opponents' won out. The dragonborn's most iconic weapon is only practiced by: the enemy, a sect of pacifist monks, and a couple iconic characters like Ulfric and the Septims.
I'm not surprised by the outcome The Last Dragonborn was literally created to kill demigods The Chosen Undead stood no chance and I believe the Dragonborn's Thu'um known as "Dragonrend" would've been very effective in this fight since it forces Dragons (immortal demigods in Elder Scrolls) to comprehend mortality which obviously they can't do The Chosen Undead would've been similarly affected since they're naturally immortal even disregarding the Dragonborn's unique abilities their base powers could have ensure they won The Chosen Undead simply could not win.
Dang!
Wait...how did the Dragonborn slash away sword beams? I can't smack spells away in Skyrim. Also, Clear Skies shout is for simple weather effects, not the Kindling of the First Flame. That's a Heavens-Altering effect. Fight feels a bit biased to me. Just my opinion.
Also, I'm speaking from the heart as someone who loves Elder Scrolls and Dark Souls.
Arrow travel somehow equals movement speed of the bow user
i still find this one so one sided the chosen undead wouldve gotten souls from the dragon the dragon borne summoned as its not really like a magic summon but like essentially someone fetching there guard dog, and had more chances to live vs the dragon bornes one life. like ya his bow can move faster then a person, thats kinda its job tho. bows wouldnt be used if they werent faster. that doesnt mean that dragon borne is actually that fast. and they left out a lot of other gear the chosen undead had. also the first flame can sustain multi timelines its why lordran ( the city from the first game) consists of a few timelines that overlap each other resulting in the ghost looking men u see traveling in darksouls. just its powered on humanity a near limitless fuel cuz human havent stopped existing
They'd didn't give Dragonborn everything he had either so what's your point
Yeah but the dragon born was also not given his whole kit. Honestly if he used dragon aspect he would have just stomped and mehrunes razor could theoretically kill the chosen undead permanently regardless of the flame. Plus I don't see enough people talking about how beating strong the dragon born is upon beating Miraak. Miraak was crazy strong and after beating him the Dragonborn absorbs all of Miraaks souls, becoming even stronger
Also the chosen undead wouldn't be able to absorb Odahvings soul as he wasn't dead (remember skyrim dragons are immortal unless a dragonborn absorbs their soul, which is the only way they can truly die)
@@darcys842 ya but by definition anyone who can absorb a dragons soul is a dragon borne. which is somthing they is in the realm of possibility cuz chosen undead has absorbed dragon souls before too. i just wish they actually weighed all the options on both side rather then limiting ones side soul absorption for a limit to reviving. let alone the other stuff they can do
@@l0sts0ul89 my point is that fight was pretty rigged feeling, since they didnt weigh all the options
You guys really need to play skyrim sometime in your free time , hell i will even give you a huge stable modlist.
You need mods in order to have any fun in Skyrim. The games ass and you can't go 4 hours without something going wrong due to bugs and glitches that they haven't patched for over 11 years. And funnily enough, 11 years later every game now is inspired by Dark Souls and not Skyrim.
@@SilverCity-lr5ruive platinumed skyrim twice and almost done with the 3rd time. Skyrim is good enough without mods (but better with them). I hardly ever have bugs so idk what your deal is.
In all 12 years of playing skyrim, i dont think ive had one gamebreaking bug.
@@earendilthemariner5546 You should check out the Spiffing Brit's Skyrim is a perfectly balanced game. He has over 11 hours of exploits and glitches that exist in the game.
@Silver City it's beyond obvious you have never played the game if you did and don't like it fine but a lot of people do like skyrim and don't like dark souls , it's all a matter of preference.
@@harrai6530 I got 280 hours telling you otherwise. And it's fine that you like Skyrim, but Skyrim hasn't been emulated by other companies as much as the soulsbourne series.
Can the thu'um be considered a spell though? Meaning like normal spells
It's a spell just not a normal one, considering it was gifted to him by Akatosh the Dragon God of Time
I was wondering that too. And what about spells that don't need a verbal component?
Plus you gotta consider the gods of aetherius in elder scrolls live around magic so I guess it makes sense shouts are in fact a unique kind of magic only the DragonBorn could use
I think scaling these heroes up to these cosmic things is irrational and needing justification. This us not the only battle that employs this scaling, but the criticism remains the same. It’s obvious that both of these heroes are significantly more mundane than what they’re contending with. Alduin in particular went down with a simple and straightforward fight despite his power. What are we supposed to believe? a) The Dragonborn is so powerful that he “escaped” execution but dealt with a Goku level threat? or b) Alduin goes down pretty easily despite all the time-related power, and a simple hero was all that was ever needed.
edit: by simple hero, I mean typical fantasy hero. Such heroes tend to have superhuman abilities to a small degree.
Dark Souls faces a similar problem with a better explanation. the opponents you face are all greatly diminished to the extent that a mere hero can beat them. Alduin needed something like this to make better sense if his contradictory power.
The “blowing away” of a cosmic force makes no sense either. Charging the First Flame with the original souls or extinguishing it with the Dark Soul are both too abstract to reduce to a mere physical event comparable to tending to a real fire of any scale.
In short, sheer power is hopeless against someone who never stays dead, no matter the margin. The Dragonborn is no Superman either. Mundane threats have provably threatened his life across the game. The “lore” cannot take precedence so long as it contradicts the grounded and mundane scale depicted in actual game. Alduin is clearly more fragile than his power would suggest, and the Dragonborn clearly only as powerful as the feat demands.
To be specific, the dragonborn fought alduin in his cripplingly weak state, and had dragonrend to strip away his powers specifically. Alduins plan was to consume everything and ascend to godhood, but you kill him before he even gets close to that powerlevel
Jesus what are you on about? The Last Dragonborn was CREATED to Kill Alduin, he's not some "simple hero" it's his destiny and birth right to defeat Alduin, do you also not understand that DB grows stronger as he advances into the world? Whatever you're going on about is simply nonsense you using the gameplay as evidence to why DG or Alduin losses is also nonsense because the game engine simply cannot do and make things accurate to the lore. Dragons Shouts reshape reality to your liking and isn't literally just saying words and poof things get pushed over btw
@@esra3784it was stated on the Skyrim guidebook that you kill the true Alduin
someone here is so tonedeff that cant diferentiate mundane GAMEPLAY with the actual LORE, the way the characters from the storie see things.
Bro did Odahving dirty
Any real skyrim player would've summoned Durnehviir instead😏
Yea dunneviir is a undead dragon and does far better things than alduin tbh
Nah. Soul of Cinder should've popped up and gotten the win once the Chosen Undead touched the flame for the last time since Soul of Cinder is still technically the same character. Due to time being all distorted it would've made sense.
i know that the Dragonborn is going to win cuz of the mana and when they explain how the world eater was about to eat infinite worlds. It's make sense even though i chose the Chosen Undead but i don't really care who win or lose between these two warriors
The chosen undead is weaker compared to the ashen one,the hunter or even the tarnished
If it was The Good Hunter I think the Dragonborn would struggle with them. Though I wonder how Lady Maria would stand against Alduin
@@teafox8 the good hunter kills elderitch gods on a daily basis and as for lady Maria she can use her own blood for a weopen,so alduin will struggle especially due to how fast she is
How is the chosen undead weaker than the ashen one? The CU succeeds in their objective whichever they may choose on their own power, pit against the least diminished primal forces of the dark souls universe. The AO not only failed originally but required the assistance of 5 previously successful lords of cinder to accomplish the same. Like I don't have a preference, but by it's own logic the AO should be inferior.
@@Reshapable they don't have the draw backs of the chosen undead
@@Hunter-zf7rt I love that you chose to not explain anything when asked to explain. Very stylish!
I would like point that is not that simple like the video made it seem, like they say in the presentation of the characters the cicles of flames will continue no matter what, so even if you became the dark lord and leave the darkness reign it will appear another chosen undead who it pass the whole journey, defeat the dark lord and ignite the flame again (what i mean it's not about use another chosen undead in the battle but that they are not restricted to reappear only while the flame remains), but yeah i think that in the end dragonborn will surpass chosen undead by the simple fact that the scale of power in both games are highly different: you can have almoste infinite health, stamina and magicka on skyrim where there is no max level, dark souls on other side there is a limit and something that even most casual player of dark souls knows, you can have maximum status and the better equipments with the better enchanting in the end you will die even for the weakest enemy if not be carefull
The thing about gothic themes and anime as fuck, yeah thats been going on since before there was anime at all. Look at a lot of grand operas and their storylines. Look up what the Knights of the Round Table are capable of! It's like Shonen Jump up in here!
Boils down to, dark souls has more grounded, balanced and challenging gameplay with limited healing/mana and spells, elder scrolls has busted ass easy gameplay with infinite mana, healing items and magic that changes reality. Was a fun battle for sure, am a huge fan of dark souls and will give skyrim a try after this.
I recommend it
It's depends on difficulty with Skyrim how challenging it can be unlike dark souls which I could be mistaken there is no difficult in dark souls
If you are that person like me who wants to enhance/just have fun I recommend mods too to get the job done
Who do you think gave the Dragonborn the mission to kill the chosen undead?
Still waiting on Thor vs Vegeta.
I BEG you to watch the Popeye vs One Punch Man episode. Your minds will EXPLODE!!!!!
Death Battle = if you have more Power you always win and can brute force anything even immortality which is bull.
Cope.
Also the lore has to be taken serious as well tho
Ah yeah as expected. And these guys didn't even use the full power of the Dragonborn. The representation of the last dragonborn in Skyrim was a poor example of the Dragonborn's power, for gameplay purposes. In actuality, the Last Dragonborn's power is based on sheer will. For example, if the Dragonborn wills it, The most popular Fus Ro Dah/Unrelenting Force shout could be powerful enough to shatter the world of Nirn itself, but in the game the Dragonborn is unaware they can get that powerful.
Miraak, The first Dragonborn (the guy you fight at the end of the dragonborn dlc), is further along discovering just how powerful a dragonborn can get, with the help of Hermaeus Mora (Daedric Prince of forbidden knowledge) (example: him splitting the Island of Solstiem from Skyrim as they referenced in the battle). But the point is, the Dragonborn's power can go way further beyond that based on sheer willpower and the knowledge of knowing that they can. Also, add to the fact that mortals can create all new shouts (this is how the Dragonrend shout was created, the shout that forces Dragons to land/experience mortality), so the Dragonborn could in theory create all new shouts that do crazy things, its up to their imagination and willpower.
Dragonborn is literally a God, so I would say this fight was kinda rigged from the start.
Technicaly they nerfed the dragonborn by giving werwolf instead of vampire lord
They nerfed him and absolutely fuck ton. He has many abilities that make him invincible and would let him permanently kill the Undead loser. They omitted so much shit to give the Undead the barest of hopes of winning.
The Chosen Undead may be strong, but they have never fought anyone like the Dragonborn before. Even Gwyn in his prime would pale in comparison to the Dragonborn. Gwyn's most noteworthy feats would be related to killing dragons....something the Dragonborn is uniquely gifted at doing. The power scaling in this fight was pretty unbalanced. It would likely have been a closer match to pit the Dragonborn against the Ashen One or the Soul of Cinder from DS3 instead, and even then the Dragonborn most likely would have won.
The Chosen Undead kinda relies on the fact that when they die, they will simply resurrect at the most recent bonfire they'd rested at. The Dragonborn is mortal and doesn't have that luxury, and so they would be far more intent on surviving the fight than the Chosen Undead. Not to mention the fact that in the world of Dark Souls, Undead can eventually go "Hollow", which results in them losing their minds and just becoming mindless savages that attack anyone they see on sight.
The Dragonborn also has a far more varied and flexible arsenal. Stealth, Magic, head-on combat, Shouts, etc. The Chosen Undead on the other hand doesn't really use "stealth" per se, they just face each threat head-on. And Stealth in Elder Scrolls can be downright silly, as you could literally shoot someone square in the face with an arrow and then (if they survived) break line of sight, and they would give up on looking for you within seconds, despite having an arrow literally sticking out of their face like a morbid cosplay of a unicorn.
Plus, had they wanted to do so, the Dragonborn had more than just Odahviing that he could have called for help. He could feasibly have called on Durnehviir as well, and unlike Odahviing, Durnehviir is pretty much the equivalent of an undead dragon, as he is the only dragon to be defeated by the Dragonborn and still resurrect. And Durnehviir is absolutely more powerful than Odahviing by a very large margin, as Durnehviir himself has stated that until his fight with the Dragonborn, he had never once been defeated in battle (hence why Durnehviir refers to the Dragonborn as "Qahnariin", which means "Vanquisher" in the dragon tongue, as a sign of respect). Durnehviir alone most likely would have been sufficient to defeat the Chosen Undead even without the Dragonborn's help.
"The Dragonborn is moral" Lol. Not really. The clue to that is literally in the name. And he has many, MANY abilities to stave off or outright ignore death as a concept.
I loved this fight in sense i wanted dragonborn to win cause of game lore...ds is kinda wierd and unclear unless some nerd understands this massively......but fight was epic.....as for the storm shout...he screamed lok VA koor in the game that's sky clear which clears fogs,most and maybe storm....storm call has a different word shout
I really dont understand why does the Dragonborn has to be the new DarkLord, that just saying acWestern character owning a Eastern Franchise
He was wrong on sword the dawn breaker can destroy ghosts souls and any kind 7ndead the drougr are not even reanimated they imortals made by the dragon priests
Tbh the shitty graphics of Skyrim doesn't do it justice to how strong the characters are. Basically the final battle it's just a random barbarian vs a dragon.
There’s actually an unspoken rule among the fandom. Never choose someone just based on one good move.
Sure Chosen Undead’s ability to temporarily silence magic is just one good move but it still wouldn’t help him win due to being slower and weaker
The dragonborn is a dragon soul in a human body and dragon souls are the children of akatosh the god of time making the dragonborn essencial the child of a god
1. The fact that the Dragonborn basically made the Chosen Undead ragequit is really fitting
2. The fact that the Dragonborn didn't use Dragon Aspect , which enhances *everything* for them, shows that the fight probably was never that close.
For anyone that knows both lore, Dovakhin didnt stand a chance lol
This is the problem with making 2 RPGs fight against each other. Cause only the player can choose how strong their characters are. Lore wise Chosen Undead has ALOT of limitations while Dragonborn is literally a God. Makes no sense putting them both together other to create Fandom wars.
@@luderezeusnah, the outcome is accurate. The Dragonborn's level of strength, despite not being reflected as much in-game, is practically world ending. Their shouts alone, at full power, could shake the whole continent of Tamriel and probably beyond.
@@filipvadas7602 Still doesn't compare to the fact that the Chosen Undead has a soul that can fuel all of reality, worlds and all of their timelines. I have a feeling you don't know much about Dark Souls if you think Dova has even a sliver of a chance.
I am waiting for TES6. Better not disappoint Bethesda.
With starfield out for pre order I have faith in ES6 now
@@Arronic They did do a announcement teaser a decade ago. SO I can assume it is in works.
GTA6, TES6, AC Mirage (and the Japan title because I love ninjas) and Spiderman 2 are the only games I am exited for. Although the first 2 are far away.
COD MW 3 too. "No Russian"
@@Agent-57 yea I think it's settled that ES6 is in development with a few flaws
Like only being for PC/Xbox users(rip PlayStation users)
And probably higher tech meaning gotta get a better PC with specs
@@Arronic To be fair Xbox blatantly needs exclusives. Halo and Forza can't carry the device forever
End of this battle is not accurate, bcoz in dark souls 3 final boss is chosen undead(and souls of other people), who linked the fire. And also according to lore of scrolls - all that do main characters is just main quest and dlcs main quests, so with none of guild questline and daedric artifacts his/her raw power is not so destructive. I think dragonborn cannot win this fight, because chosen undead litteraly unstopable, doesnt matter how hard dragonborn will kill it, chosen undead will keep coming back even if it become hollow, it will keep returning
Even if we did main quest only Dragonborn... he still is way too much for Chosen Undead simply due to beating Alduin who scales far above the Infinite Dimensional Daedric Princes.
Miraak casually beats the Dragonborn in their first encounter (despite beating Alduin) and Miraak still had Dragon Aspect which made him more powerful. In their final battle, the Dragonborn would defeat Miraak who would completey recover from damage as well as getting even more powerful due to absorbing Dragon Souls (he does this 3 times). The Dragonborn absorbs Miraak's soul (including the Dragon Souls he had absorbed) obviously making him far more powerful than he was during the fight against Miraak.
So... as a massive lowball since I'm only using main quests (and not diving too deep into the lore), the Dragonborn would reach Outerversal levels of power and immeasurable speed.
Also the Dragonborn won the fight by extinguishing the First Flame... so Chosen Undead wouldn't be able to come back (especially considering the fact that he sacrificed himself to link it).
@@TheFirstDragonbornMiraak Am not gonna argue with you. Am already said all things.
@@sydonianthaumaturgist663 All I'm saying is that this fight is completely one sided against the Chosen Undead even if you only use the main story for the Dragonborn.
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@@Arronic wack
@@stewie2423 just a random thought 🤔
Tbh, the reason on why they made the Dragonborn win over the Chosen Undead, are not really clear..... The Dragonborn having more raw power doesn't seem like a good reason for him negating the Chosen Undead immortality, not saying that the result is wrong, but the reason are
Agreed! The Dragonborn had literally nothing to stop the resurrecting. Doesn’t matter how hard you can it someone if they will never stay down.
Exactly also the lore states once the flame is linked it can't be put out no magic or any reality bending can change that