I just wish it were a bit more modernized and had finer unit controls. The inability to tell units to just stop firing at things, the inability to lock them in formations, the inability to tell them to hold ground and only fire at what's in range without chasing, no cover system for infantry, no ramming capability in space, no ship elevation control in space, capitals unable to spread fire to multiple targets/hardpoints(leading to a lot of wasted damage), and lack of real geometry blocking damage on hardpoints that aren't in line-of-sight of the attacker. Makes it frustrating to play a lot of times, where things that should work don't work because the antiquated game logic says no.
I'm glad the Dreadnaught finally made an on screen apperance.... but the REAL ship I'm STILL WAITING for, is the VICTORY-CLASS star destroyer which has YET to make a canon appearance!
@@ARandomSpecOp Finally someone who remembers what made the VSD special! I think in the new canon, flying in atmosphere isn't even meant to be a speciality of the VSD, which is why its atmospheric flaps are always depicted as mere hull protrusions. Also, the new canon portrays the VSD as a ship that sucked, while originally it was an excellent ship for its role.
The E-Wing. A state of the art frontline starfighter attack ship. Which were made iconic in early Legends EU. They were introduced into canon for Ahsoka, only to be used for a ground traffic policing action which they are obviously ill-suited for, and quickly give up the chase, never to be seen or heard of again. Why?
It's usual Filoni, take something beloved or better know from older lore, replace it with own wash up version for his Rebels Wars and receive praises for "respecting the lore". He did that with TIE Defender, Thrawn ect. It's his signature move.
What, I think it makes a lot more sense for it to be used for private planetary defense forces compare to something like the X wing, like it’s literally got half the engines and armament and even in legends it never replaced the x wing
For the shields question the clone wars answered it, and one of the legends books. The one we're Luke first has an interaction with Mara when she tosses her blaster to him. Ships would divert power away from the areas they were firing from, hence the forward and rear shielding and they couldn't be full strength at same time. Thrawn used dreadnoughts as shields todo so without having to power them up and down to then unleash flurry's of attacks. We see some of this in clones wars, like when Anakin set Rex and clones on asteroids to ambush grievous fleet. Grievous had moved all shielding power to from deflectors to push through the asteroid field and couldn't transfer them back fast enough or power them off to attack. And Ray shields blocked everything including physical objects, Anakin shot the generators to land on invisible hand, but ships didn't use those for outside defense and that's why things flew through unless energy based.
Also deflector shields which were used additionally that were quicker to power up and down also couldn't take as much of a beating, especially from heavy onslaughts. That's why the Deflector shields always seem to be down or failing. You can also see the difference in the shield being used as standards create ripples from impacts but deflectors look more like just flashes.
I honestly love the ship. Its lore across several factions and long storied history makes it one of my favorite frigates/cruisers. It would make a good base for a rebel cell.
At West End Games we had the Dreadnaught Class Heavy Cruiser follow the same lines as the Carrack Class Light Cruiser, in the same vein the Victory Class and Interdictor Class followed the Imperial Class lines and silhouettes.
You worked at WEG? o.O Wow. So let me thank you for decades, not kidding, of awesome roleplaying game. I still dig the sourcebooks of that game and read them regularly, because of all the fluff and I have actually never had a long-running campaign of any other SW RPG, because they just did not feel right. In fact, I have been running a D6 SW campaign for the past 8 years and no end in sight.
I got into the EU when I was about 8 years old with the Thrawn Trilogy. Then when Clone Wars started (10 years old) I was so unbelievably hyped as the show went on and got more mature because I thought there was a real, serious chance that they could make an episode about the origin of the Katana Fleet. Gathering the ships, setting up the remote control system (there's no way they could call it Slave Circuits), and it's ultimate disappearance. I'm still slightly bummed that never happened
I'm currently writing a SW fanfic and I made a modified version of the Dreadnought Class Heavy Cruiser the main hero's flagship. It really is such a great design with so much potential! Edit: lol, that shielding and hyperspace discussion is so on point... It's so hard to get any consistency there! Even the naming (ray vs particle) seems mismatched thanks to ep3 making a mistake and calling a particle shield a ray shield, while in ep4 an energy shield was correctly called a ray shield... hence why the rebels had to use physical projectiles (proton torpedoes) to destroy the death star. I've advised another fanfic author on shielding tech and I'm honestly quite proud of how well it turned out. We figured out realistic limitations that made sense and made for an arguably incredibly cool and fun scene that dynamically evolved from the strengths and weakness of shielding tech rather than being written for the sake of plot convenience. If anyone's interested, check out The Sith Empress by FractionalSith, I think his story is a lot better than my own.
Except there WASN'T an instance where a lethal virus effected the ENTIRE Human fleet... an then they ALL jumped into the literal void an was lost to History literally almost to the point of becoming fables an ghost stories before finally being found an sorta reassembled generations later... Had the Genocidal faction of the Cylons EVER achieved such a thing (least in the now old most recent series) that'd been the end of the series
When I was running the Fantasy Flight Games (now Edge Studio) Star Wars RPG I ran into the problem of what happens to a ship that jumps into hyperspace too close to a planet. I gave a guaranteed damage value to my players that their ship would suffer depending on how close they were to the planet. I justified it saying that the ship would be tearing itself apart between the gravity of the planet and the pull (or equal and opposite gravity) of hyperspace.
The fact that the dreadnought cruiser is so underutilized is heartbreaking for me, because it is my go-to cruiser in Empire at War in every mod I find it (usually Awakening of the Rebellion or Thrawn's Revenge.) It's so versatile and makes for a fantastic frontline vessel in early games when you don't have a lot of credits to throw at proper star destroyers, and is still usable in picket fleets during the mid to late game.
I quite like the Dreadnaught cruisers, and use them extensively in my Empire of the Hand stories. Basically, in my fanfiction, most of the portion of the Katana Fleet that Thrawn captured remained with Pellaeon's forces -- what would become the Imperial Remnant later on. However, Thrawn did manage to send 30 of the Katana Fleet dreadnaughts home to the Empire of the Hand. 5 of them, which were in bad shape, were "scrapped" (actually used in the black ops mission that the Rogue Phalanx, led by Thrawn's wife Xelarra, then-governor of Nirauan, launched against Honoghr about 2 years after Bilbringi). Later on, when Xelarra becomes Empress of the Hand, she takes one of the remaining Katana Fleet dreadnaughts, the HMS Rapier, as her personal transport, saying she has an appreciation of such ships, and that Star Destroyers should be saved for actual military service, not taxiing around officials (showing by example that she is a far different kind of monarch from Palpatine).
#AskEck What are your thoughts on the Tapani Sector? I think it's interesting how they have this whole deep culture, but the only planet that gets any focus is Fondor. They have historic ties to the Jedi and Sith so they have bootleg lightsabers and they have their own gaudy (and questionably useful) capital ships.
I didn't care for the portrayal of the TIE Defender either. It's a space superiority fighter. It should be insanely fast and maneuverable. It should eat X-Wings for breakfast. Yet Rebels insisted on portraying it as a hardy brick like it was a B-Wing or something.
? I'm confused. I definitely got the idea it was a space superiority fighter from Rebels and it did eat X-Wings for breakfast on screen lol. Imperial incompetency was its downfall, but that is a different discussion entirely and not at all the Defender's fault
@@StarNameKev there was only one defender star fighter and that was piloted by a Senior experienced but Arrogant and target fixated and proudish Pilot , and It was Hera Syndullas Tactical genius that took the tie defender out , not the X wing Alone , and also The tie defender took a Focking turbolaser (or laser) Shot from the Imperial Star destroyer, so it's powerful Shields were lost , and he start blundered into Heras X wings lasers guns , rest is history , it's always Imperial Arrogance Corruption and Overconfidence that makes them lose and also that is what makes them the bad guys , X wings are multi role jack of all trades star fighters , Swiss knifes , All out balanced , being able to adapt to any situation demanded of a starfighter and was Advanced too , The X wings perfect Match was the Tie defender and Not the B wing , B Wings are hunter killer Bombers of Imperial star destroyers , Tie defenders are not bombers , but heavy Starfighters , that's why they are bit more powerful but comparable to X wings , and tie\ln are cannon fodder Swarm fighters in that era of star fighters ,
My basic stance on Star Wars Shields always follows the example of the gungan example: Stuff with a lot of energy gets blocked, stuff with little energy passes through. Based on that I think that all shields in Star Wars are based on the same technology, from those that keep turbolaser fire away to those that keep the air in the hangar. The fire from the ship itself is probably let through by adjusting the shields in specific points which are synced to the guns.
I don't know why but Star Wars: Rebels seemed to have quite a few characters, ships and other elements that had me thinking, "Was that a complete waste?" and kept me from liking it as much as Star Wars: The Clone Wars. There were the Dreadnoughts as you discussed in the video, but there was also: B-Wings: The Rebels got their hands on a B-Wing prototype. Not only was this years before A New Hope, but the PROTOTYPE had a super laser that gave Hera the ability to destroy entire Star Destroyers. The B-Wing subsequently disappeared from the show, and this game-changing ability was never seen again in other expanded materials (as far as I know) or in Return of the Jedi. TIE Defender: It was a fan-favorite ship from the Expanded Universe, and once again is appearing years before A New Hope. And yet, instead of being a heavily-armed killer piloted by the best of the best (or most suicidal/lucky) pilots in the Imperial Navy, the TIE Defender ended up coming and going without having any impact on the Galactic Civil War, let alone on a single Rebel cell operating on a backwater planet. Thrawn: Thrawn was another fan favorite character, and even though he had a few small wins, he ultimately got hyperspace-whaled into the Unknown Regions. Obviously "Ahsoka" came along many (many) years later and revealed Thrawn's ultimate fate, but Thrawn, the greatest military mind in the Empire, failed to stop a single Rebel cell on a backwater planet, and played little to no part in the Galactic Civil War. At least the Expanded Universe established that Thrawn was busy dealing with things during the events of the movies, and basically took over in the "Heir to the Empire" novels because there was no one left who was capable of running the Empire. Bendu: Neither Light or Dark, we see an alien species we've never seen before with powers unlike anything we'd seen (at least in the Disney continue) up to that point, and even though he promotes himself as "the one in the middle" instead of aligning with Light or Dark, and he basically comes and goes. He doesn't inspire any characters or events, and Kanan basically just calls him out for not taking a stand. His name is also a reference to some of George Lucas' earliest notes on the Force and the Jedi (Jedi-Bendu), which makes it weird that the character proves to be totally inconsequential. The World Between Worlds: So we have a secret Jedi temple on Lothal, and this temple has a way to access a dimension that allows you to change time itself, and yet it was basically pointless except for being used to save Ahsoka (and then appearing in "Ahsoka" many, many years later). How the hell could the Jedi have forgotten they had the ability to access this realm at the temple? And if they didn't forget, how did not one Jedi decide to never use the Space Between Spaces to stop Order 66, or the Clone Wars, or Emperor Palpatine? Not one Jedi was tempted to try that, really? And if the Emperor got word that it was there, why the hell did he only send one assassin to take a look? Why not send a fleet and just secure the temple and everything around it for miles? Just treat it like the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone or something, or just remove the planet's population - this is an evil empire, and Palpatine believes he has the possibility to control time and space. Even after the temple collapses and is seemingly destroyed, why doesn't the Empire go there and try excavating it? Instead, Palpatine apparently moved on and never once tried to go back to revisit this possibility. That, to me, was probably the worst example I remember from Rebels. Mandalore: I did somewhat enjoy Sabine's story arc, but it seems weird that the Mandalorian clans were essentially united against the Empire, and yet we never see a single Mandalorian serving with the Rebels in the films. I know the show came years after the Original Trilogy, but why make a single planet/society so important to the early Rebellion, when there's no way for you to retroactively add them to the movies. There were probably other things that I forgot, but I remember Rebels seemed to introduce so many things that would not only be extremely important, but potentially war-winning for either the Empire or Rebellion, especially considering the show was set during the relatively early years of the Galactic Civil War and the Rebellion, and yet none of these things mattered. I don't know how Filoni and crew went from the story arcs we saw in The Clone Wars to these recurring issues with Rebels. I know Rebels supposedly had a smaller animation budget than The Clone Wars, but I don't know if that would have a significant impact on the stories themselves.
I mean the Defender not effecting the war was explained with Tarkin saying Thrawn had to appeal to the emperor to get it funding over the Death Star, so once Thrawn is gone there is no one high enough left to argue for it
I dont actually think the World between worlds changed time. I works like a closed loop to avoid changes. So Ashoks being saved was not a change in the timeline but always Part of it.
Honestly I can kinda back the Mando’s not being part of the alliance. They have always been proud and stubborn to themselves even in Legends, they wouldve only have followed another mandalorian. It’s like how in the Yuuzhan Vong War they followed Boba to the very end, with the combat they take part in one of my favorites to read, and thought all of Legends and canon now too, they are for themselves. They remind me a bit of the Romani/Gypsy/Traveler people of Europe, a people who hold little regard for those who are not one of them and vice versa
to debunk your points: A) they probably took a while to develop the b wing from a prototype into an actual, factory made starfighter. also, there's a reason the laser never comes back: it only takes out a cruiser and kinda busts some of the power systems of the blade wing (notably the hyperdrive) B) tarkin happened lol, he had a habit of taking over projects, then gutting them and transferring the funds to project stardust C) fair lol D) he wants to NOT be part of the wars, (hence the one in the middle) that's why he never showed up before and never shows up again. E) messing with the space-time continuum is a really bad idea, also lothal has resources besides the gateway to all of time and space F) Night Of A Thousand Tears
Interdictor ships work because the gravity well is not in the ship's nav computer, so it triggers the safety in the hyper-drive to shut down so that it does not fly into an object and kill everyone. It is the same as if you are driving down the highway and you see a tree lying across the road so you put on the brakes to save your life but the tree vanishes when you come to a crawl.
I think one of the main reasons for the Nu!DHC not showing up is illustrated perfectly in your video - The Rebels model is *barely* similar to the original, and ugly as shit even by Rebels standards beyond that, while everything else uses the original design which just makes them *canonically wrong*.
#AskEck what happened to the inquisitorious after rebels and why didn’t Palpatine ever rebuild it? Might have been useful to catch Luke and other Jedi after Rebels
the number of remaining jedi were in the single digits at that point so it was probably a waste of resources. also with there being so few jedi left it would be harder to get recruits
@@lucasa9480not only that, but most of the remaining Jedi survivors had taken on and/or killed several inquisitors, so there was no point sending anyone that wasn’t Vader after them
Having ships exit hyperspace in orbit of planets has always been problematic element of the lore, as it effectively allows teleportation in space battles without traversal making repositioning tactically interesting, as it has been for naval or air battles, which space battles were modeled after.
We see one of its modified counterparts, The Twin Blade Frigate, in Force Unleashed II during the Space Battle Of Kamino. This ship is pretty much if every piece of Star Wars Material except the big cannon screen*^
So many different authors definitely didn't help with inconsistencies. I listened to the Outbound Flight audiobook recently and the way Timothy Zahn had Thrawn fascinated by droideka lead to some great explanations behind shielding. He wrote it so that those shields had polarity, which allowed blaster fire to pass through from inside, but he reversed it so that blaster fire from within the shield would ricochet.
By 46 BBY slave circuits were a common thing so why didn’t rebels use it. An EF76 with a slave circuit reduce the crew from 864 to 108. It took longer to train a crew to man an EF76 than 6 CR90.
when i use to draw/fantasize i would draws ships that looked like the dreadnaught before i saw the SW version. It's not just a simple design, it's a standardized design IMHO that would work anywhere, i bet when we go to space IRL eventually we'll have ships similar to the dreadnaught vs something like a Cal Mon Cruiser or ISD.
Tube with plenty of locations for additional thrusters. Good storage capacity that is modifiable by just making it longer, and a slim profile to prevent particle damage from traveling at high speeds, only need to armor the parts that will experience the most debris clouds.
#AskEck What exactly is the Open Circle Fleet and what does its emblem stand for? In legends, the twin halves of the open circle were said to be representative of Obi-Wan and Anakin and is implied to be a fleet assigned to the both of them, but its an icon and color scheme we see on all republic warships during both the clone wars period in Legends and in TCW as a show. Even flagships of other jedi generals like Plo Koon’s _Triumphant_ and Windu’s _Endurance_ share the same emblem. Is there anything that explains this apparent contradiction or is there a way to reconcile it?
Sometimes stuff happens and there’s no way to retcon it. For instance the Imperial Rank costuming discrepancy in RotJ is just something we’ve had to live with for over 4 decades now.
The long range turbo lasers on the Anakin Solo are brought up quite frequently in the books it is in, there are several times that the tactical choice to use the long range instead of closing to traditional range actually saved the entire ship from annihilation
if they improvise , a deactivated seperatist fleet of powerful ships maybe prototype bulwarks and other munificients and etc might be plausible , but that would negate the emperoros cloning facility requirement , who knows , anything except a stash of imperial star destroyers is welcome
I assume the Republic would have also introduced a lot more droid automation to reduce the ISD's humongous crew requirements similar to the Dreadnoughts. In some ways what really limited the New Republics navy wasnt the capital cost of the ships, there were a lot just lying around and for the first 15 years or so they were mainly recommissioning mothballed ships rather than building fresh designs for the bulk of their fleet whenever it needed strengthening such as after a big defeat or a long period of relative peace, it was the upkeep and crewing of a large standing navy. (in fact they seemed to mostly be commissioning high tech new capital ship designs in times of peace not conflict)
The main thing that made Katana Dreads so dangerous is that they required a fraction of the crew a normal dread needed. That's why Thrawn wanted them so badly, he didn't have a lot of troops.
3:59 I’ve got you’re answer; Filoni, the writers, and creators at Disney are all hacks who just jangle keys in front of fans with Legends stuff and then move on when they have your undivided attention. 😅😂
Pretty much what they’ve been doing for years. Star Wars fans genuinely overrate Filoni. He’s just doing his stupid fanfic tier stuff with Disneys stupid choices mixed in.
@@GrainOnTheGo im now fully belive that the good things he did in clone wars were just accidents (like Maul and Ahsoka), while the majority of the bad parts (like stealing concepts from legends just for cameos or underwhelming copies or how bad the separatist are written but for one single episode) is just Filoni on his pure expression
The Anakin Solo also had a cloaking device, the gravity well generator from the Mon Mothma mentioned, and the better Xj5 x-wings. I think its assault missiles also had some type of special explosive capable of destroying a star destroyer in a single hit. The writers really went all out to make it as full of cool tech as they could.
Hyperspace communication being impossible was a plot point in Wraith Squadron. While hypering to some planet, a captain figures out he's flying into an ambush and pulls his star destroyer out of the warp. Unfortunately he's unable to communicate this to his escort ships, which fly on and are taken out by the rebels
5:20 The Mon Mothma and Elegos A’kla were first used in the NJO to disrupt Dovin Basals, I forget which Book/Battle they were introduced but I believe they saw service at Borleais.
I think the most important aspect of the Dreadnought is that it created a sense of technological improvement over time. The Dreadnoughts were manpower intensive and under gunned compared to the later Victory-class. The Imperial-class not only solved the lackluster engines of the Victory, but also improved upon shielding, size, and firepower at the expense of atmospheric flight. Of course, all this changed with Disney. I'd love to see an animated Victory.
#askeck Id love to see a breakdown of the battle that saw the destruction of the Alliance Carrier 'Flurry'. I believe it includes the team up of the Alliance and Empire post Endor.
The Dreadnought class might be my all time favorite starship of any kind, I REALLY wish they used it more. I personally HATE the inconsistencies with how things work in the universe, especially hyperspace. I loathe the scene in TFA when they were able to bypass the shield, imo it adds a HUGE plothole in that how the HELL is some random, admittedly skilled pilot able to SUCCESSFULLY revert inside the shield, seemingly WELL within the atmosphere and not end up a smoking crater? If a damn HUMAN is capable of it, how has NOBODY thought to program a droid to be able to do the same, or why can't Jedi or other species with super-human levels of reaction/awareness, whatever able to do it, rendering planetary shields VERY poor for defense when all it takes is some random group with no real ship maintenance facilities and like an hour to do it. I honestly could respect it had they bothered to give us just a short montage of them working on the Falcon, and the mention that it's SUPER risky, and that they'd need to disable that safety feature in the hyperdrive, even if it still leaves a wider strategic hole in shielding but at least they'd have shown fans the courtesy of outlining the stakes, in turn ramping up the thrill factor for that section of the movie. Sure we obviously know they're gonna succeed, but properly setting the stakes is a staple of this sort of daredevil crap. It also bugged the hell out of me when the TIEs were able to follow the Falcon at the start of TRoS, and they made up "lightspeed skipping" when all they needed to do was mention that Poe had programed an escape route into the hyperdrive incase things went badly. Not to mention the absolute batshittery that was putting a clock on that movie, only to have Rey visit like 8 planets in less than 16 hours, absolutely shattering the ambiguous time hyperspace travel takes, which is should be abit flexible for writers to utilize, and until then had been a FAR slower thing when it was quantified.
@EckhartsLadder I've assumed that for example with an ISD - The particle shield is very close or on the hull as many times ships fly close to hull without being destroyed and are able to get in range of the shield generators this way. I presume the bubble shield projected around the star destroyer (and other capital ships in the video) is the ray (anti blaster/laser) shield as ships can fly under this without being destroyed. Furthermore the shield doesn't seem to have to be disabled to make use of torpedoes/missiles/physical projectiles on some ships. Please could you confirm whether this information is true in terms of making sense of flaws/inconsistencies that writers don't think about. It would make sense how fighters could leave the capital ship while ray shield stays on, but particle shield is temporarily disabled during dispatch.
#AskEck What imperial ship/fighter/landing craft would work best for providing air support for walkers in a ground engagement like the battle of Hoth? (Besides the LAAT)
The Falcon in the sequel trilogy is a really good example I think of the plot ignoring hyperspace rules. They jump to escape the Death Star blast while still inside the planet's atmosphere, which would obviously be inside the gravity well. A huge part of Legends plots, especially the X-Wing novels, revolve around getting out of a grav well to make a jump. That really hurt the sequels for me.
#AskEck Do you think any species/faction in the Star Wars universe (Canon or Legends) could create the Halo Array from Halo, given they needed a reason to?
As far as the Anakin Solo, it does have Long Range turbos. They apparently have so much drain that lights dimmed every time they fired. Plus the interdiction tech and I think better sensors. Plus a black paint job
I've often thought about how Star Wars shields would work when firing through your own shields, be they energy or matter weapons, might work. An example might be that the R2 unit on a starfighter might intermittently drop the shields to allow the pilot to shoot through them, whereas, TIE fighters don't have shields, so there is nothing to try to shoot through. Frequency modulation is a Star Trek thing, and highly unlikely to effect plasma based blaster weapons. As a young Sci-Fi nerd, I hypothesized that the reasons while the Millennium Falcon, the Rebel Starfighters, and larger capital ships even had the ability to use a hyperdrive was because they also had shields. Those shields would protect them from encountering space dust which, traveling at those speeds would be catastrophic, and since TIE's didn't have shields, they would be unable to utilize a hyperdrive. Because I dabble still in the Star Wars legends realm, I am in the process of developing my own layout of a star ship, based on the YT2400 (So, like Dash Rendar's Outrider), but very different, because this ship is less of a freighter and more like a gunship. The designer of the Spectre is former Sienar Fleets Special Projects Lead Engineer Reed Hanley. He is one of the people responsible for the Stygium Cloaking devices on TIE Phantoms. He was overly ambitious as an engineer, and an ace TIE fighter pilot, often testing out the TIE Phantoms himself. In an attack on the facility made by the Rebellion, the heads of the Research and Development wing rigged an explosion meant to kill Hanley, but several rebel commandoes rescued him, but led to about as much cybernetics as what Darth Vader had. After being made functional, Reed redesigned the chassis of his new implants and artificial limbs to turn him into a soldier. The Spectre, a CEC YT2407BTX craft (The BTX model has a secondary cockpit arm with a turret on it, rather than another cockpit) Features a reinforced bulkhead support systems, an enlarged cockpit section, and a TIE Bomber weapons pod to the left of the cockpit (arranged pretty much like a TIE Bomber), an extended range Ion cannon on the outrigger pod on the left, and a similar TIE bomber looking pod next to the Ion Cannon that contains the power core, and a lot more hexagonal geometry. The engines it runs on are similar in layout to a Star Destroyer's 3 main engines, and then 4 Twin Ion Engines aligned like hte 4 smaller engines. and Reed Hanley even mentioned taking a few design cues from the ISD line. The back ends of the weapons pod and the cockpit are equipped with rear facing Quad Laser turrets, exactly like what you would find on the dorsal and ventral mounted YT1300 line, but the two turrets are Reed's Reaper engineering phase linked autoblasters. These guns are similar to the guns found on the belly section of Jango Fett's Slave I, except that instead of two of them there is 6 of them, 3 on each side, and they fire 120 degrees out of phase to facilitate an autocannon function. These guns have their own power generator separate from the ship's systems, though the computer can tap into the weapons system's power in the event of an emergency. And of course, to top off this technological terror, it is also equipped with a cloaking device (the reason for the 4 TIE engines is to propel the ship in cloak, and not be discovered) The ship can be flown by a single pilot, though 2 are preferred, but even the front of the Cockpit is equipped with heavy lasers identical to the ones found on the TIE Experimental, the one flown by Darth Vader himself. This ship is the first one I ever got to thinking "how would I want the shields functioning with this thing?" I mean, this is a ship created outside of the Star Wars licensing, was I going to have the ship drop shields when firing?? When firing that ion cannon, would shields even work?? Well, I think I figured out something pertaining to shields. In Empire Strikes back, as the Millennium Falcon is clearing the asteroid field, while being tailed by Captain Needar's Star Destroyer, The Falcon is struck by a turbolaser and C3PO mentions that the rear deflector has been lost. Han orders Chewie to divert all power to the front deflector screen and positions to attack the Star Destroyer. Needar orders shields up. That tells me Needar's Star Destroyer was running with shields down. That would make sense. Maybe you don't run with shields up when you have your weapons systems charging up, because firing through your own shields won't work. That said, firing proton Torpedoes or ion torpedoes is something that could be done with ray shields up, only.
I mean from my perspective it’s mainly just Filoni taking a chance to canonize as much as he can. Same with thrawn, pelleon, the defender, and so many other legends subjects, in a way that was minor enough that no one up to would care but still made them canon all the same
Wasnt one of the failings of the order that most werent really taught combat? I remember hearing the Palpatine feared Qui-Gon because he was one of the few actual fighters left in the order.
They got the shield thing right with the droidekas. They don't actually shoot through their shields. Instead their blasters stick through the very edge of the shield, just enough to allow their shots.
#AskEckif if you could create your own dreadnought/titan or superweapon (like the malevolence's ion canon or eclipse beam) for each major faction, what would you create? As a bonus I know Thrawn disapproves of larger ships but do you think he would appreciate or even like the Bellator class?
Oh, the long range turbo laser thing is brought up multiple times as a plot point in Legacy of the Force. I might be mixing up some stuff in my head but I think it’s even mentioned a few times in the abridged audiobooks too. I no longer have physical copies to double check though so take my memory with a grain of salt
#AskEck When say the Rebels or New Republic captured an ISD or other Imperial ship did they make use of the Tie Fighters and other ships and vehicles that were on board or did they just fill those hangers with their own fighters?
Ever since reading Dark Force Rising I've loved the idea of the Katana fleet and the Dreadnaught heavy cruiser. Next to the YT-2400 (Outrider) its my favorite EU-ship come canon. But yeah, really wish it would appear more frequently on screen. That along with the Immobilizer-418 and Victory-class Destroyers.
In SWTOR canon I know that it's both possible to travel to relatively nearby areas in days while in hyperspace but also possible to jump from not so nearby places in, like, seconds. All of this utterly disregarding hyperlanes too. So yeah it's just convenience.
#AskEck Honestly, I would be down for a rewatch and episode breakdown of the Clone Wars or Rebels, two shows that never really got that privilege. Idk, if this are slow on new SW content, then, I think it would be cool. It would be a good excuse for me to rewatch either
As a Rebels uh mega fan if you will, I must have totally forgotten about the Dreadnaught model there because this video caught me by surprise. In the few minutes since that I'm recalling noticing the ship in the background years ago when watching. The Pellaeon mention in the finale was pretty sweet though, definitely remember that one. Wasn't the Anakin Solo an ISD2 on steroids along with grav well generators integrated into it? I don't recall a whole lot from that post NJO era.
Hi. For questions on how the technology works, like shields you can check the original RPG Star Wars game from the 80's. The D.M has a lot of information on those things. Like shields: ships normally have two kinds, one to protect against dust, rocks and things floating in space always on while traveling, like in hyperspace. The other shield is against lasers. 😅😮. Voilà.🎉
If you were to do a Palpatine and build an hidden empire in the unknown region of the star wars universe, using any ship, tanks, starfighers etc from any factions, what fleet/ground units would you pick to best overcome the challenges of taking over the known space?
Shields and turbo lasers. My understanding is the shields would flicker for a micro second to let the shot pass and shields re-engage blocking incoming fire. If the enemy's fire timed correctly, it could pass thru just as outgoing fire exited, there byable to score direct hits. (Old biplane machine guns were on timers to be able to fire thru the propeller without hitting the propeller). Hyperspace, ships had safeties the sensed gravity wells and would automatically disengage the engines to prevent flying into a sun or planet. Very skilled or stupid pilots would turn off these safeties to bypass blockades. In Force Awakening, Han did this to be able to get into Starkiller's atmosphere without being noticed.
#Askek I don't know how familuler you are with the Helldivers Universe, but from what you know how do you think Super Earth would fair against the different star wars factions, primarily the Empire.
I would love to hear your battle strategy for a specific scenario using your knowledge of era appropriate ships. A single Super Star Destroyer with a brand new crew has just been authorised for active duty. It has left the safety of the shipyard and is vulnerable on its own for a limited amount of time with only its own internal Star Fighter compliment and defences available to it. What is the smallest force you can think of capable of taking the ship down before it reaches the safety of a support fleet, in the time period of Return of the Jedi prior to the destruction of the Death Star II?
#Askeck is there a in legends or cannon reason why some blasters can punch through beskar and some can't. Is it simply the bolt type or does it depend on the individual blaster.
Jumping off of the Fall of the Republic mod for Star Wars: Empire at War, and then clicking on this video is a wild coincidence. I was just building a bunch of these to bolster my carrier fleet! 😅
The hyperspace limitations inconsistency in the new trilogies really bugged me. The falcon should not of been able to warp within planetary orbits and the empire suddenly tracking starships through hyperspace (another dimension) were just lazy plot points. With the shields maybe the computers momentarily switch of that portion in the milliseconds that it takes to fire a laser and then reactivates or opens a hole only large enough for the laser or torpedo to exit but I agree flying through shields seemed silly.
#AskEcks Do you think missile ships have a role in the Star Wars universe? We have seen some vessels like the Lupus-class missile frigate and the Hex Deployer, but beyond a few gunboats I haven’t heard of many. Do you believe this is because of turbo lasers?
You just got to utilize it right! Hell, the Dreadnought-Class Heavy Cruiser has BETTER point-defenses than an ISD and if you bring 4-6 of these (especially with Katana-Fleet style automation), you can fight an ISD openly (especially since you have more fighters on board - not that the Rebells wouldn't arrive with fighters deployed, they have independet hyperdrives, something a Tie-Fighter lacks...unless it's Vader's fighter or a Tie-Defender or one of those Ties with a cloaking device or a Clutch (basically a Tie-Ugly, but a good one!))...one of my favourite characters, Garm Bel-Iblis (former senator of Corellia!) - nicknamed PEREGRIN (just like he named his Flagship!) - uses several dreadnought's in his own Rebell-Cell :)
Having a slave circuit that can cause an entire 200 ship fleet to jump to hyperspace simultaneously is a hilariously bad decision.
It happens ONE time and everyone makes a huge fuss. 😉
What is this from?
not really. It's incredibly efficient, a two key system wouldn't be a bad idea. The problem was the madness from the disease.
@@jasminealexander6766 Dark Force Rising! Read the Thrawn Trilogy ;)
200 of the Republic's best heavy tonnage ships they had available at the time a couple centuries back before TPM
Star Wars Empire At War is pure unadulterated awesomeness.
One of the best Star Wars games ❤
It’s hands down one of the best RTS and one of the best Star Wars games to have ever come to light
Very good game but for me it freezes way too often.
I still loved Star Wars Rebellion more. I wish there was a modern version of Rebellion.
I just wish it were a bit more modernized and had finer unit controls. The inability to tell units to just stop firing at things, the inability to lock them in formations, the inability to tell them to hold ground and only fire at what's in range without chasing, no cover system for infantry, no ramming capability in space, no ship elevation control in space, capitals unable to spread fire to multiple targets/hardpoints(leading to a lot of wasted damage), and lack of real geometry blocking damage on hardpoints that aren't in line-of-sight of the attacker. Makes it frustrating to play a lot of times, where things that should work don't work because the antiquated game logic says no.
I'm glad the Dreadnaught finally made an on screen apperance....
but the REAL ship I'm STILL WAITING for, is the VICTORY-CLASS star destroyer which has YET to make a canon appearance!
Justice for the victory.
They had their chance to use it in Bad Batch, but they ignored it and jumped straight to ISDs.
Unfortunately I think at this point they’re just gonna ignore the victory since they’ve made all star destroyers have the ability to fly in atmosphere
It already did, in Tarkin, the Darth Vader comics, and Armada.
@@ARandomSpecOp Finally someone who remembers what made the VSD special! I think in the new canon, flying in atmosphere isn't even meant to be a speciality of the VSD, which is why its atmospheric flaps are always depicted as mere hull protrusions. Also, the new canon portrays the VSD as a ship that sucked, while originally it was an excellent ship for its role.
The E-Wing.
A state of the art frontline starfighter attack ship. Which were made iconic in early Legends EU. They were introduced into canon for Ahsoka, only to be used for a ground traffic policing action which they are obviously ill-suited for, and quickly give up the chase, never to be seen or heard of again.
Why?
Fan-service and poor writing?
@@mikkim-mh9bc Purely teasing EU fans to up viewership.
Merchandising
It's usual Filoni, take something beloved or better know from older lore, replace it with own wash up version for his Rebels Wars and receive praises for "respecting the lore". He did that with TIE Defender, Thrawn ect. It's his signature move.
What, I think it makes a lot more sense for it to be used for private planetary defense forces compare to something like the X wing, like it’s literally got half the engines and armament and even in legends it never replaced the x wing
From what i remember, the Anikan solo's turbolaser's extended range is mentioned directly in the book, and that moon had it coming
For the shields question the clone wars answered it, and one of the legends books. The one we're Luke first has an interaction with Mara when she tosses her blaster to him.
Ships would divert power away from the areas they were firing from, hence the forward and rear shielding and they couldn't be full strength at same time. Thrawn used dreadnoughts as shields todo so without having to power them up and down to then unleash flurry's of attacks.
We see some of this in clones wars, like when Anakin set Rex and clones on asteroids to ambush grievous fleet. Grievous had moved all shielding power to from deflectors to push through the asteroid field and couldn't transfer them back fast enough or power them off to attack. And Ray shields blocked everything including physical objects, Anakin shot the generators to land on invisible hand, but ships didn't use those for outside defense and that's why things flew through unless energy based.
Also deflector shields which were used additionally that were quicker to power up and down also couldn't take as much of a beating, especially from heavy onslaughts. That's why the Deflector shields always seem to be down or failing.
You can also see the difference in the shield being used as standards create ripples from impacts but deflectors look more like just flashes.
I honestly love the ship. Its lore across several factions and long storied history makes it one of my favorite frigates/cruisers. It would make a good base for a rebel cell.
At West End Games we had the Dreadnaught Class Heavy Cruiser follow the same lines as the Carrack Class Light Cruiser, in the same vein the Victory Class and Interdictor Class followed the Imperial Class lines and silhouettes.
You worked at WEG? o.O Wow. So let me thank you for decades, not kidding, of awesome roleplaying game. I still dig the sourcebooks of that game and read them regularly, because of all the fluff and I have actually never had a long-running campaign of any other SW RPG, because they just did not feel right. In fact, I have been running a D6 SW campaign for the past 8 years and no end in sight.
Honestly, it's surprising that they didn't put that Rebels model (cartoon style and all) in the background of the galactic fleet in RoS.
I got into the EU when I was about 8 years old with the Thrawn Trilogy. Then when Clone Wars started (10 years old) I was so unbelievably hyped as the show went on and got more mature because I thought there was a real, serious chance that they could make an episode about the origin of the Katana Fleet. Gathering the ships, setting up the remote control system (there's no way they could call it Slave Circuits), and it's ultimate disappearance. I'm still slightly bummed that never happened
I'm currently writing a SW fanfic and I made a modified version of the Dreadnought Class Heavy Cruiser the main hero's flagship. It really is such a great design with so much potential!
Edit: lol, that shielding and hyperspace discussion is so on point... It's so hard to get any consistency there!
Even the naming (ray vs particle) seems mismatched thanks to ep3 making a mistake and calling a particle shield a ray shield, while in ep4 an energy shield was correctly called a ray shield... hence why the rebels had to use physical projectiles (proton torpedoes) to destroy the death star.
I've advised another fanfic author on shielding tech and I'm honestly quite proud of how well it turned out. We figured out realistic limitations that made sense and made for an arguably incredibly cool and fun scene that dynamically evolved from the strengths and weakness of shielding tech rather than being written for the sake of plot convenience. If anyone's interested, check out The Sith Empress by FractionalSith, I think his story is a lot better than my own.
Has some serious Battlestar Galactica vibes 🔥
So say we all!
That’s would be a cool series to see on this channel while Star Wars is down content wise
@@adamkerman475 So say we all!
@@CathrineMacNiel So say we all!
Except there WASN'T an instance where a lethal virus effected the ENTIRE Human fleet... an then they ALL jumped into the literal void an was lost to History literally almost to the point of becoming fables an ghost stories before finally being found an sorta reassembled generations later... Had the Genocidal faction of the Cylons EVER achieved such a thing (least in the now old most recent series) that'd been the end of the series
I like how the captions say dreadnot and dreadnut.
When I was running the Fantasy Flight Games (now Edge Studio) Star Wars RPG I ran into the problem of what happens to a ship that jumps into hyperspace too close to a planet. I gave a guaranteed damage value to my players that their ship would suffer depending on how close they were to the planet. I justified it saying that the ship would be tearing itself apart between the gravity of the planet and the pull (or equal and opposite gravity) of hyperspace.
"So this was just a complete waste" pretty well sums up most of Disney Star Wars.
The fact that the dreadnought cruiser is so underutilized is heartbreaking for me, because it is my go-to cruiser in Empire at War in every mod I find it (usually Awakening of the Rebellion or Thrawn's Revenge.) It's so versatile and makes for a fantastic frontline vessel in early games when you don't have a lot of credits to throw at proper star destroyers, and is still usable in picket fleets during the mid to late game.
I quite like the Dreadnaught cruisers, and use them extensively in my Empire of the Hand stories. Basically, in my fanfiction, most of the portion of the Katana Fleet that Thrawn captured remained with Pellaeon's forces -- what would become the Imperial Remnant later on. However, Thrawn did manage to send 30 of the Katana Fleet dreadnaughts home to the Empire of the Hand. 5 of them, which were in bad shape, were "scrapped" (actually used in the black ops mission that the Rogue Phalanx, led by Thrawn's wife Xelarra, then-governor of Nirauan, launched against Honoghr about 2 years after Bilbringi). Later on, when Xelarra becomes Empress of the Hand, she takes one of the remaining Katana Fleet dreadnaughts, the HMS Rapier, as her personal transport, saying she has an appreciation of such ships, and that Star Destroyers should be saved for actual military service, not taxiing around officials (showing by example that she is a far different kind of monarch from Palpatine).
#AskEck What are your thoughts on the Tapani Sector? I think it's interesting how they have this whole deep culture, but the only planet that gets any focus is Fondor. They have historic ties to the Jedi and Sith so they have bootleg lightsabers and they have their own gaudy (and questionably useful) capital ships.
I didn't care for the portrayal of the TIE Defender either. It's a space superiority fighter. It should be insanely fast and maneuverable. It should eat X-Wings for breakfast. Yet Rebels insisted on portraying it as a hardy brick like it was a B-Wing or something.
Agreed Rebels didn't do the Defender or Thrawn justice.
Me(clears throat) :thrawn novels (leaves)
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I'm confused. I definitely got the idea it was a space superiority fighter from Rebels and it did eat X-Wings for breakfast on screen lol. Imperial incompetency was its downfall, but that is a different discussion entirely and not at all the Defender's fault
@@StarNameKev there was only one defender star fighter and that was piloted by a Senior experienced but Arrogant and target fixated and proudish Pilot , and It was Hera Syndullas Tactical genius that took the tie defender out , not the X wing Alone , and also The tie defender took a Focking turbolaser (or laser) Shot from the Imperial Star destroyer, so it's powerful Shields were lost , and he start blundered into Heras X wings lasers guns , rest is history , it's always Imperial Arrogance Corruption and Overconfidence that makes them lose and also that is what makes them the bad guys ,
X wings are multi role jack of all trades star fighters , Swiss knifes , All out balanced , being able to adapt to any situation demanded of a starfighter and was Advanced too , The X wings perfect Match was the Tie defender and Not the B wing , B Wings are hunter killer Bombers of Imperial star destroyers , Tie defenders are not bombers , but heavy Starfighters , that's why they are bit more powerful but comparable to X wings , and tie\ln are cannon fodder Swarm fighters in that era of star fighters ,
My basic stance on Star Wars Shields always follows the example of the gungan example: Stuff with a lot of energy gets blocked, stuff with little energy passes through.
Based on that I think that all shields in Star Wars are based on the same technology, from those that keep turbolaser fire away to those that keep the air in the hangar.
The fire from the ship itself is probably let through by adjusting the shields in specific points which are synced to the guns.
I don't know why but Star Wars: Rebels seemed to have quite a few characters, ships and other elements that had me thinking, "Was that a complete waste?" and kept me from liking it as much as Star Wars: The Clone Wars.
There were the Dreadnoughts as you discussed in the video, but there was also:
B-Wings: The Rebels got their hands on a B-Wing prototype. Not only was this years before A New Hope, but the PROTOTYPE had a super laser that gave Hera the ability to destroy entire Star Destroyers. The B-Wing subsequently disappeared from the show, and this game-changing ability was never seen again in other expanded materials (as far as I know) or in Return of the Jedi.
TIE Defender: It was a fan-favorite ship from the Expanded Universe, and once again is appearing years before A New Hope. And yet, instead of being a heavily-armed killer piloted by the best of the best (or most suicidal/lucky) pilots in the Imperial Navy, the TIE Defender ended up coming and going without having any impact on the Galactic Civil War, let alone on a single Rebel cell operating on a backwater planet.
Thrawn: Thrawn was another fan favorite character, and even though he had a few small wins, he ultimately got hyperspace-whaled into the Unknown Regions. Obviously "Ahsoka" came along many (many) years later and revealed Thrawn's ultimate fate, but Thrawn, the greatest military mind in the Empire, failed to stop a single Rebel cell on a backwater planet, and played little to no part in the Galactic Civil War. At least the Expanded Universe established that Thrawn was busy dealing with things during the events of the movies, and basically took over in the "Heir to the Empire" novels because there was no one left who was capable of running the Empire.
Bendu: Neither Light or Dark, we see an alien species we've never seen before with powers unlike anything we'd seen (at least in the Disney continue) up to that point, and even though he promotes himself as "the one in the middle" instead of aligning with Light or Dark, and he basically comes and goes. He doesn't inspire any characters or events, and Kanan basically just calls him out for not taking a stand. His name is also a reference to some of George Lucas' earliest notes on the Force and the Jedi (Jedi-Bendu), which makes it weird that the character proves to be totally inconsequential.
The World Between Worlds: So we have a secret Jedi temple on Lothal, and this temple has a way to access a dimension that allows you to change time itself, and yet it was basically pointless except for being used to save Ahsoka (and then appearing in "Ahsoka" many, many years later). How the hell could the Jedi have forgotten they had the ability to access this realm at the temple? And if they didn't forget, how did not one Jedi decide to never use the Space Between Spaces to stop Order 66, or the Clone Wars, or Emperor Palpatine? Not one Jedi was tempted to try that, really? And if the Emperor got word that it was there, why the hell did he only send one assassin to take a look? Why not send a fleet and just secure the temple and everything around it for miles? Just treat it like the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone or something, or just remove the planet's population - this is an evil empire, and Palpatine believes he has the possibility to control time and space. Even after the temple collapses and is seemingly destroyed, why doesn't the Empire go there and try excavating it? Instead, Palpatine apparently moved on and never once tried to go back to revisit this possibility. That, to me, was probably the worst example I remember from Rebels.
Mandalore: I did somewhat enjoy Sabine's story arc, but it seems weird that the Mandalorian clans were essentially united against the Empire, and yet we never see a single Mandalorian serving with the Rebels in the films. I know the show came years after the Original Trilogy, but why make a single planet/society so important to the early Rebellion, when there's no way for you to retroactively add them to the movies.
There were probably other things that I forgot, but I remember Rebels seemed to introduce so many things that would not only be extremely important, but potentially war-winning for either the Empire or Rebellion, especially considering the show was set during the relatively early years of the Galactic Civil War and the Rebellion, and yet none of these things mattered.
I don't know how Filoni and crew went from the story arcs we saw in The Clone Wars to these recurring issues with Rebels. I know Rebels supposedly had a smaller animation budget than The Clone Wars, but I don't know if that would have a significant impact on the stories themselves.
Damn, when you put the show like that it's kinda terrible! 😂 These new things kept people watching I guess and not getting bored
I mean the Defender not effecting the war was explained with Tarkin saying Thrawn had to appeal to the emperor to get it funding over the Death Star, so once Thrawn is gone there is no one high enough left to argue for it
I dont actually think the World between worlds changed time. I works like a closed loop to avoid changes. So Ashoks being saved was not a change in the timeline but always Part of it.
Honestly I can kinda back the Mando’s not being part of the alliance. They have always been proud and stubborn to themselves even in Legends, they wouldve only have followed another mandalorian. It’s like how in the Yuuzhan Vong War they followed Boba to the very end, with the combat they take part in one of my favorites to read, and thought all of Legends and canon now too, they are for themselves. They remind me a bit of the Romani/Gypsy/Traveler people of Europe, a people who hold little regard for those who are not one of them and vice versa
to debunk your points:
A) they probably took a while to develop the b wing from a prototype into an actual, factory made starfighter. also, there's a reason the laser never comes back: it only takes out a cruiser and kinda busts some of the power systems of the blade wing (notably the hyperdrive)
B) tarkin happened lol, he had a habit of taking over projects, then gutting them and transferring the funds to project stardust
C) fair lol
D) he wants to NOT be part of the wars, (hence the one in the middle) that's why he never showed up before and never shows up again.
E) messing with the space-time continuum is a really bad idea, also lothal has resources besides the gateway to all of time and space
F) Night Of A Thousand Tears
Interdictor ships work because the gravity well is not in the ship's nav computer, so it triggers the safety in the hyper-drive to shut down so that it does not fly into an object and kill everyone. It is the same as if you are driving down the highway and you see a tree lying across the road so you put on the brakes to save your life but the tree vanishes when you come to a crawl.
I hate those vanishing road trees, they get me every time.
I think one of the main reasons for the Nu!DHC not showing up is illustrated perfectly in your video - The Rebels model is *barely* similar to the original, and ugly as shit even by Rebels standards beyond that, while everything else uses the original design which just makes them *canonically wrong*.
#AskEck what happened to the inquisitorious after rebels and why didn’t Palpatine ever rebuild it? Might have been useful to catch Luke and other Jedi after Rebels
the number of remaining jedi were in the single digits at that point so it was probably a waste of resources. also with there being so few jedi left it would be harder to get recruits
Because sheave”pivot” palpatine knows when to throw out a flawed asset
@@lucasa9480not only that, but most of the remaining Jedi survivors had taken on and/or killed several inquisitors, so there was no point sending anyone that wasn’t Vader after them
Having ships exit hyperspace in orbit of planets has always been problematic element of the lore, as it effectively allows teleportation in space battles without traversal making repositioning tactically interesting, as it has been for naval or air battles, which space battles were modeled after.
0:25 that’s what she said…
We see one of its modified counterparts, The Twin Blade Frigate, in Force Unleashed II during the Space Battle Of Kamino. This ship is pretty much if every piece of Star Wars Material except the big cannon screen*^
So many different authors definitely didn't help with inconsistencies. I listened to the Outbound Flight audiobook recently and the way Timothy Zahn had Thrawn fascinated by droideka lead to some great explanations behind shielding. He wrote it so that those shields had polarity, which allowed blaster fire to pass through from inside, but he reversed it so that blaster fire from within the shield would ricochet.
By 46 BBY slave circuits were a common thing so why didn’t rebels use it. An EF76 with a slave circuit reduce the crew from 864 to 108. It took longer to train a crew to man an EF76 than 6 CR90.
when i use to draw/fantasize i would draws ships that looked like the dreadnaught before i saw the SW version. It's not just a simple design, it's a standardized design IMHO that would work anywhere, i bet when we go to space IRL eventually we'll have ships similar to the dreadnaught vs something like a Cal Mon Cruiser or ISD.
Tube with plenty of locations for additional thrusters. Good storage capacity that is modifiable by just making it longer, and a slim profile to prevent particle damage from traveling at high speeds, only need to armor the parts that will experience the most debris clouds.
#AskEck What exactly is the Open Circle Fleet and what does its emblem stand for? In legends, the twin halves of the open circle were said to be representative of Obi-Wan and Anakin and is implied to be a fleet assigned to the both of them, but its an icon and color scheme we see on all republic warships during both the clone wars period in Legends and in TCW as a show. Even flagships of other jedi generals like Plo Koon’s _Triumphant_ and Windu’s _Endurance_ share the same emblem. Is there anything that explains this apparent contradiction or is there a way to reconcile it?
Sometimes stuff happens and there’s no way to retcon it. For instance the Imperial Rank costuming discrepancy in RotJ is just something we’ve had to live with for over 4 decades now.
The long range turbo lasers on the Anakin Solo are brought up quite frequently in the books it is in, there are several times that the tactical choice to use the long range instead of closing to traditional range actually saved the entire ship from annihilation
if they improvise , a deactivated seperatist fleet of powerful ships maybe prototype bulwarks and other munificients and etc might be plausible , but that would negate the emperoros cloning facility requirement , who knows , anything except a stash of imperial star destroyers is welcome
4:40 what is up with Squirtle? A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
I assume the Republic would have also introduced a lot more droid automation to reduce the ISD's humongous crew requirements similar to the Dreadnoughts. In some ways what really limited the New Republics navy wasnt the capital cost of the ships, there were a lot just lying around and for the first 15 years or so they were mainly recommissioning mothballed ships rather than building fresh designs for the bulk of their fleet whenever it needed strengthening such as after a big defeat or a long period of relative peace, it was the upkeep and crewing of a large standing navy. (in fact they seemed to mostly be commissioning high tech new capital ship designs in times of peace not conflict)
The main thing that made Katana Dreads so dangerous is that they required a fraction of the crew a normal dread needed. That's why Thrawn wanted them so badly, he didn't have a lot of troops.
3:59 I’ve got you’re answer; Filoni, the writers, and creators at Disney are all hacks who just jangle keys in front of fans with Legends stuff and then move on when they have your undivided attention. 😅😂
Lmfao I believe that
Pretty much what they’ve been doing for years. Star Wars fans genuinely overrate Filoni. He’s just doing his stupid fanfic tier stuff with Disneys stupid choices mixed in.
@@GrainOnTheGo im now fully belive that the good things he did in clone wars were just accidents (like Maul and Ahsoka), while the majority of the bad parts (like stealing concepts from legends just for cameos or underwhelming copies or how bad the separatist are written but for one single episode) is just Filoni on his pure expression
Wait, I can be relevant! The Mon Mothma demonstrated it's interdiction tech in Star by Star, so a little before the Dark Nest Crisis.
I really liked the dreadnought class, I hope we get to see it more :)
The Anakin Solo also had a cloaking device, the gravity well generator from the Mon Mothma mentioned, and the better Xj5 x-wings. I think its assault missiles also had some type of special explosive capable of destroying a star destroyer in a single hit. The writers really went all out to make it as full of cool tech as they could.
The legends design looks way better to me compared to the canon version.
Yeah, they kinda ruined it
Everything looks funky in Rebels. You can’t take any of their designs as canon
Agreed, with the exception of the E-wing, everything they take from the EU they mess up. This included.
Hyperspace communication being impossible was a plot point in Wraith Squadron. While hypering to some planet, a captain figures out he's flying into an ambush and pulls his star destroyer out of the warp. Unfortunately he's unable to communicate this to his escort ships, which fly on and are taken out by the rebels
5:20 The Mon Mothma and Elegos A’kla were first used in the NJO to disrupt Dovin Basals, I forget which Book/Battle they were introduced but I believe they saw service at Borleais.
I think the most important aspect of the Dreadnought is that it created a sense of technological improvement over time. The Dreadnoughts were manpower intensive and under gunned compared to the later Victory-class. The Imperial-class not only solved the lackluster engines of the Victory, but also improved upon shielding, size, and firepower at the expense of atmospheric flight.
Of course, all this changed with Disney. I'd love to see an animated Victory.
#askeck Id love to see a breakdown of the battle that saw the destruction of the Alliance Carrier 'Flurry'. I believe it includes the team up of the Alliance and Empire post Endor.
Battle of Bakura.
The Dreadnought class might be my all time favorite starship of any kind, I REALLY wish they used it more.
I personally HATE the inconsistencies with how things work in the universe, especially hyperspace. I loathe the scene in TFA when they were able to bypass the shield, imo it adds a HUGE plothole in that how the HELL is some random, admittedly skilled pilot able to SUCCESSFULLY revert inside the shield, seemingly WELL within the atmosphere and not end up a smoking crater? If a damn HUMAN is capable of it, how has NOBODY thought to program a droid to be able to do the same, or why can't Jedi or other species with super-human levels of reaction/awareness, whatever able to do it, rendering planetary shields VERY poor for defense when all it takes is some random group with no real ship maintenance facilities and like an hour to do it.
I honestly could respect it had they bothered to give us just a short montage of them working on the Falcon, and the mention that it's SUPER risky, and that they'd need to disable that safety feature in the hyperdrive, even if it still leaves a wider strategic hole in shielding but at least they'd have shown fans the courtesy of outlining the stakes, in turn ramping up the thrill factor for that section of the movie. Sure we obviously know they're gonna succeed, but properly setting the stakes is a staple of this sort of daredevil crap.
It also bugged the hell out of me when the TIEs were able to follow the Falcon at the start of TRoS, and they made up "lightspeed skipping" when all they needed to do was mention that Poe had programed an escape route into the hyperdrive incase things went badly. Not to mention the absolute batshittery that was putting a clock on that movie, only to have Rey visit like 8 planets in less than 16 hours, absolutely shattering the ambiguous time hyperspace travel takes, which is should be abit flexible for writers to utilize, and until then had been a FAR slower thing when it was quantified.
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@EckhartsLadder I've assumed that for example with an ISD - The particle shield is very close or on the hull as many times ships fly close to hull without being destroyed and are able to get in range of the shield generators this way.
I presume the bubble shield projected around the star destroyer (and other capital ships in the video) is the ray (anti blaster/laser) shield as ships can fly under this without being destroyed. Furthermore the shield doesn't seem to have to be disabled to make use of torpedoes/missiles/physical projectiles on some ships.
Please could you confirm whether this information is true in terms of making sense of flaws/inconsistencies that writers don't think about. It would make sense how fighters could leave the capital ship while ray shield stays on, but particle shield is temporarily disabled during dispatch.
#AskEck What imperial ship/fighter/landing craft would work best for providing air support for walkers in a ground engagement like the battle of Hoth? (Besides the LAAT)
The Falcon in the sequel trilogy is a really good example I think of the plot ignoring hyperspace rules. They jump to escape the Death Star blast while still inside the planet's atmosphere, which would obviously be inside the gravity well. A huge part of Legends plots, especially the X-Wing novels, revolve around getting out of a grav well to make a jump. That really hurt the sequels for me.
#AskEck Do you think any species/faction in the Star Wars universe (Canon or Legends) could create the Halo Array from Halo, given they needed a reason to?
Shows up in Jedi Academy and has some of the interior, it's a cool ship for sure.
As far as the Anakin Solo, it does have Long Range turbos. They apparently have so much drain that lights dimmed every time they fired. Plus the interdiction tech and I think better sensors. Plus a black paint job
I've often thought about how Star Wars shields would work when firing through your own shields, be they energy or matter weapons, might work. An example might be that the R2 unit on a starfighter might intermittently drop the shields to allow the pilot to shoot through them, whereas, TIE fighters don't have shields, so there is nothing to try to shoot through. Frequency modulation is a Star Trek thing, and highly unlikely to effect plasma based blaster weapons. As a young Sci-Fi nerd, I hypothesized that the reasons while the Millennium Falcon, the Rebel Starfighters, and larger capital ships even had the ability to use a hyperdrive was because they also had shields. Those shields would protect them from encountering space dust which, traveling at those speeds would be catastrophic, and since TIE's didn't have shields, they would be unable to utilize a hyperdrive.
Because I dabble still in the Star Wars legends realm, I am in the process of developing my own layout of a star ship, based on the YT2400 (So, like Dash Rendar's Outrider), but very different, because this ship is less of a freighter and more like a gunship. The designer of the Spectre is former Sienar Fleets Special Projects Lead Engineer Reed Hanley. He is one of the people responsible for the Stygium Cloaking devices on TIE Phantoms. He was overly ambitious as an engineer, and an ace TIE fighter pilot, often testing out the TIE Phantoms himself. In an attack on the facility made by the Rebellion, the heads of the Research and Development wing rigged an explosion meant to kill Hanley, but several rebel commandoes rescued him, but led to about as much cybernetics as what Darth Vader had. After being made functional, Reed redesigned the chassis of his new implants and artificial limbs to turn him into a soldier. The Spectre, a CEC YT2407BTX craft (The BTX model has a secondary cockpit arm with a turret on it, rather than another cockpit) Features a reinforced bulkhead support systems, an enlarged cockpit section, and a TIE Bomber weapons pod to the left of the cockpit (arranged pretty much like a TIE Bomber), an extended range Ion cannon on the outrigger pod on the left, and a similar TIE bomber looking pod next to the Ion Cannon that contains the power core, and a lot more hexagonal geometry. The engines it runs on are similar in layout to a Star Destroyer's 3 main engines, and then 4 Twin Ion Engines aligned like hte 4 smaller engines. and Reed Hanley even mentioned taking a few design cues from the ISD line. The back ends of the weapons pod and the cockpit are equipped with rear facing Quad Laser turrets, exactly like what you would find on the dorsal and ventral mounted YT1300 line, but the two turrets are Reed's Reaper engineering phase linked autoblasters. These guns are similar to the guns found on the belly section of Jango Fett's Slave I, except that instead of two of them there is 6 of them, 3 on each side, and they fire 120 degrees out of phase to facilitate an autocannon function. These guns have their own power generator separate from the ship's systems, though the computer can tap into the weapons system's power in the event of an emergency. And of course, to top off this technological terror, it is also equipped with a cloaking device (the reason for the 4 TIE engines is to propel the ship in cloak, and not be discovered) The ship can be flown by a single pilot, though 2 are preferred, but even the front of the Cockpit is equipped with heavy lasers identical to the ones found on the TIE Experimental, the one flown by Darth Vader himself.
This ship is the first one I ever got to thinking "how would I want the shields functioning with this thing?" I mean, this is a ship created outside of the Star Wars licensing, was I going to have the ship drop shields when firing?? When firing that ion cannon, would shields even work?? Well, I think I figured out something pertaining to shields. In Empire Strikes back, as the Millennium Falcon is clearing the asteroid field, while being tailed by Captain Needar's Star Destroyer, The Falcon is struck by a turbolaser and C3PO mentions that the rear deflector has been lost. Han orders Chewie to divert all power to the front deflector screen and positions to attack the Star Destroyer. Needar orders shields up. That tells me Needar's Star Destroyer was running with shields down. That would make sense. Maybe you don't run with shields up when you have your weapons systems charging up, because firing through your own shields won't work. That said, firing proton Torpedoes or ion torpedoes is something that could be done with ray shields up, only.
I mean from my perspective it’s mainly just Filoni taking a chance to canonize as much as he can. Same with thrawn, pelleon, the defender, and so many other legends subjects, in a way that was minor enough that no one up to would care but still made them canon all the same
same! i got hyped when i spotted it in crowd shots
#Askeck Why did many members of the Jedi High Council die so easiky during Order 66 if they are meant to be the Most powerfull Jedi in the Order?
Wasnt one of the failings of the order that most werent really taught combat? I remember hearing the Palpatine feared Qui-Gon because he was one of the few actual fighters left in the order.
They got the shield thing right with the droidekas. They don't actually shoot through their shields. Instead their blasters stick through the very edge of the shield, just enough to allow their shots.
I was personally introduced to the Dreadnaught class back in the late 90's in Star Wars: Rebellion pc game. Such a good game!
#AskEckif if you could create your own dreadnought/titan or superweapon (like the malevolence's ion canon or eclipse beam) for each major faction, what would you create?
As a bonus I know Thrawn disapproves of larger ships but do you think he would appreciate or even like the Bellator class?
The Bellator might work for Thrawn because it was designed to be the faster off shoot of the Mandator design.
you forgot to mention that there was an entire story arc in the Republic comic series (Dreadnaughts of Rendili) that focused on those ships
So they cameo the Dreadnought yet nothing for the VSD
Oh, the long range turbo laser thing is brought up multiple times as a plot point in Legacy of the Force. I might be mixing up some stuff in my head but I think it’s even mentioned a few times in the abridged audiobooks too. I no longer have physical copies to double check though so take my memory with a grain of salt
#AskEck When say the Rebels or New Republic captured an ISD or other Imperial ship did they make use of the Tie Fighters and other ships and vehicles that were on board or did they just fill those hangers with their own fighters?
Ever since reading Dark Force Rising I've loved the idea of the Katana fleet and the Dreadnaught heavy cruiser. Next to the YT-2400 (Outrider) its my favorite EU-ship come canon. But yeah, really wish it would appear more frequently on screen. That along with the Immobilizer-418 and Victory-class Destroyers.
If you think about it, the only reason you and I aren't continuously jumping through hyperspace right now is because of our own mass shadows.
In SWTOR canon I know that it's both possible to travel to relatively nearby areas in days while in hyperspace but also possible to jump from not so nearby places in, like, seconds. All of this utterly disregarding hyperlanes too. So yeah it's just convenience.
I think the ships weapons frequency matches the shields frequency. Weapons fire through the shields unhindered.
What is the most powerful ship you can see both the battlestar galactica and pegasus going up against and winning?
#AskEck Honestly, I would be down for a rewatch and episode breakdown of the Clone Wars or Rebels, two shows that never really got that privilege. Idk, if this are slow on new SW content, then, I think it would be cool. It would be a good excuse for me to rewatch either
As a Rebels uh mega fan if you will, I must have totally forgotten about the Dreadnaught model there because this video caught me by surprise. In the few minutes since that I'm recalling noticing the ship in the background years ago when watching. The Pellaeon mention in the finale was pretty sweet though, definitely remember that one.
Wasn't the Anakin Solo an ISD2 on steroids along with grav well generators integrated into it? I don't recall a whole lot from that post NJO era.
Awesome ship and my favorite of the larger class ships, I even made a mashup with a
Zentraedi flag ship
Lucasfilm doesn't want to pay Timothy Zahn more money.
I like the dreadnought from the katana fleet as well, my other fav ship not on screen was the bulk cruiser from Rendili
I loved having fleets of them in Empire at War
Hi. For questions on how the technology works, like shields you can check the original RPG Star Wars game from the 80's. The D.M has a lot of information on those things.
Like shields: ships normally have two kinds, one to protect against dust, rocks and things floating in space always on while traveling, like in hyperspace. The other shield is against lasers. 😅😮.
Voilà.🎉
If you were to do a Palpatine and build an hidden empire in the unknown region of the star wars universe, using any ship, tanks, starfighers etc from any factions, what fleet/ground units would you pick to best overcome the challenges of taking over the known space?
Looking forward to the shield video
Shields and turbo lasers. My understanding is the shields would flicker for a micro second to let the shot pass and shields re-engage blocking incoming fire. If the enemy's fire timed correctly, it could pass thru just as outgoing fire exited, there byable to score direct hits. (Old biplane machine guns were on timers to be able to fire thru the propeller without hitting the propeller).
Hyperspace, ships had safeties the sensed gravity wells and would automatically disengage the engines to prevent flying into a sun or planet. Very skilled or stupid pilots would turn off these safeties to bypass blockades. In Force Awakening, Han did this to be able to get into Starkiller's atmosphere without being noticed.
Its in the episode where they destroy Tarkin's star destroyer too
#Askek
I don't know how familuler you are with the Helldivers Universe, but from what you know how do you think Super Earth would fair against the different star wars factions, primarily the Empire.
The Anakin Solo was also painted Black to blend with space and be more Spec Ops.
In Kazakhstan, this ship is known as the Naughtdread.
The dreadnought is definitely appearing in Dave's colmination film
Turbo lasers are usually outside the shield
There was so much from the expanded universe I wish they had made canon. So much potential wasted.
I feel this way, along with the Victory-class.
#Eckhart question do you think the lowest level of Coursont is more dangerous the the refuge section of Narsda
I would love to hear your battle strategy for a specific scenario using your knowledge of era appropriate ships.
A single Super Star Destroyer with a brand new crew has just been authorised for active duty. It has left the safety of the shipyard and is vulnerable on its own for a limited amount of time with only its own internal Star Fighter compliment and defences available to it.
What is the smallest force you can think of capable of taking the ship down before it reaches the safety of a support fleet, in the time period of Return of the Jedi prior to the destruction of the Death Star II?
So in comparison, its like the Miranda Class Light Cruiser from Star Trek?
Now
*gimme victory class! Both! And the longbow! Gimme derpy longbow!*
Can you do a video, if you haven’t already, explaining how force powers seem to work more on certain people than others
Factions compared idea sci fi insect swarm. Such as Tyranids, Arachnids, Zerg, Rachni, Terminids.
#Askeck is there a in legends or cannon reason why some blasters can punch through beskar and some can't. Is it simply the bolt type or does it depend on the individual blaster.
Jumping off of the Fall of the Republic mod for Star Wars: Empire at War, and then clicking on this video is a wild coincidence.
I was just building a bunch of these to bolster my carrier fleet! 😅
The hyperspace limitations inconsistency in the new trilogies really bugged me. The falcon should not of been able to warp within planetary orbits and the empire suddenly tracking starships through hyperspace (another dimension) were just lazy plot points. With the shields maybe the computers momentarily switch of that portion in the milliseconds that it takes to fire a laser and then reactivates or opens a hole only large enough for the laser or torpedo to exit but I agree flying through shields seemed silly.
That was a ramble. I could not tell what this video's topic was about
#AskEcks Do you think missile ships have a role in the Star Wars universe? We have seen some vessels like the Lupus-class missile frigate and the Hex Deployer, but beyond a few gunboats I haven’t heard of many. Do you believe this is because of turbo lasers?
You just got to utilize it right! Hell, the Dreadnought-Class Heavy Cruiser has BETTER point-defenses than an ISD and if you bring 4-6 of these (especially with Katana-Fleet style automation), you can fight an ISD openly (especially since you have more fighters on board - not that the Rebells wouldn't arrive with fighters deployed, they have independet hyperdrives, something a Tie-Fighter lacks...unless it's Vader's fighter or a Tie-Defender or one of those Ties with a cloaking device or a Clutch (basically a Tie-Ugly, but a good one!))...one of my favourite characters, Garm Bel-Iblis (former senator of Corellia!) - nicknamed PEREGRIN (just like he named his Flagship!) - uses several dreadnought's in his own Rebell-Cell :)
The Imperial starship Jim mwa hahaha