Ed 209 was the 9th to exist. For basic R&D the 20 would be the series number and the 9 would be the version. Ed 309 (the large one) would be series 30, but the 9th version. This basic understanding of R&D numbering (mostly in robotics) fits with the movie's numbering system. I would assume that the first 8 versions never made it out of the lab, which is why no one ever saw it previously.
And just before Murphy's first scene Bob Morton says they are beginning a search for suitable candidates for the Robocop project, which seems like it is implying OCP is having highly capable decorated officers transferred to violent precincts to obtain "candidates".
The ED-209 stairs weakness makes me think of when the UK police tried a rollerblade squad, and it didn't take long for people to figure out their main weakness was grass.
"In 2000, a four-strong team of roller skating officers were introduced to the Royal Parks Constabulary in London's Kensington Gardens. Despite promises that they would revolutionise the policing of London's parks, the pilot scheme was abandoned only a few months later. There was said to be a fatal flaw in the idea of a skating pursuit. Perpetrators would simply run across the grass, where the skate police could not follow."@@kanedaku
Didn't make it sound like anything. Said they tried it, it failed that's all. However, they are still going strong in Paris and have been for years@@kanedaku
@@rhaimusg5785 Yes, but you did. The Royal Park Constabulary doing a trial would have no influence upon the wider *_UK Police"._* It was a little branch of the police, which has no influence on wider policing, and even if the trial was successful that nutter Red Ken would never have let it go anywhere else in London. Should have mentioned Paris then. Anyhoo, goodnight 😘
The pain receptors are a pretty good idea to include. They don’t want the initial deployed unit to have no self preservation. It would make him no better than a standard robot enforcer. Pain is a defense mechanism and warning system. We feel pain to make us acknowledge injuries and remove the danger when possible. Think about a hot surface with your hand on it. If we had no pain receptors and didn’t know the surface was hot, we wouldn’t realize there was a problem until we observed damage visually or smelled cooking meat.
I also believe it's so they could keep this walking tank in check, I mean he's supposed to be friendly to the public and also an enforcer so being able to hug someone and not accidentally crush them because he can't feel anything helps the public image and then pain receptors for when he goes off the deep end I mean he was the first successful one and he was back from death so anything could've triggered him like the guy in RoboCop 2 who's so shocked that he needs Nuke to calm down this could've easily been Alex Murphy if he wasn't still dedicated to his now permanent job which is now forced on him against his will as a thank you for being resurrected
In the original RoboCop there's a scene where they say ,"lose the hand"...... I think maybe they were just going off that nostalgia by doing the opposite though
He has to have some kind of digestive system because they refer to that paste that looks and tastes like baby food to sustain his biological systems. Lewis bring some baby food at the abandoned refinery. And he says to her that he's "not hungry" at the time which would imply that sometimes he is hungry. He would also need some kind of cardiovascular system. If he's not taking in air, how would he talk? Also the nutrients he digests would be carried in his bloodstream to support his brain.
Yeah. I was wondering how the baby food like substance fit in with the face flesh theory of the video. Josh probably has an answer though. So I'm just curious as to what it was/is.. Hah.
funny. this was actually a question that i didn't use for this episode and will maybe cover in a future one. but, short answer : i don't think the food was "food" as much as it was a component that provided nutrients and such that the very small amount of organics needed. he didn't have a physical stomach as much as he had a mechanical "processor" that got what it needed out of it. as far as the cardiovascular system, i'm not so sure that he did need to breathe. he could talk in the same way that ED209 talked. with a digital voice processor.
@@movietimelines So do you think the baby food she brought for him would have been of use to him or did she waste her efforts? :D Thanks for going ahead and providing the answer you had.
Question 11: could Bobby fly or what? I mean judging from the movie I'd say no, but maybe that was just because he wasn't able to get enough lift coming out of the back of the panel van, perhaps if thrown from a greater height Bobby could make a go of it.
By some coincidence I saw The Lawnmower Man earlier today, and just realized that one of the corporate bad guy soldiers in that film was the same actor in Robocop who said "We have orders to destroy it." The S.O.B!
The Robocop2014 hand subplot wasn't about people's perceptions - it was a legality. A machine couldn't pull the trigger, and Keaton's character acknowledges that. By leaving the hand connected to the brain, though, it's not a machine - it's Murphy. They were being sly by having Murphy be running a program, though.
Whoever your friend who played the mugger is in the beginning, they'd make a great 80s character actor haha - They just got the right look to be cast as "generic street tough in NYC #3" :P
Omnicorp isn't ocp - it's a subsidiary of it, they mention at the end that the events of the film have caught the attention of the bosses upstairs at OCP
I forget where I read it, but it was deemed from previous failed attempts at making a cyborg, to require a portion of their humanity instead on just a brain in a can because they'd go insane (See Robocop 2). Also, that while the face is that of Murphey, it's just skin draped over a metal endostructure. This was used to explain why actors changed from 3 and the TV series because now and then they would have to change the skin because it went bad after so long
Two things to touch on: I believe it’s been stated, though I can’t remember where, that his neck and chin guard are retractable once the helmet comes off even though we never see it happen. Second, Murphy was already an officer he just transferred, and it’s mentioned that this was part of the Robocop candidate selection. Also in Robo 2, Faxx gives exposition to explain why Murphy’s transition into a cyborg succeeded without him going completely insane and attributed it to a strong sense of duty with a distinguished career as well as being a family man with a clean upbringing. Ironically those qualities started to make him a liability as they were worried about being able to keep a leash on him as more of Murphy emerged. It’s never specifically stated but they pretty much imply that as the reasoning for phasing Murphy out with junk “Friendly Robocop” protocols in order to control him. Whereas Kain (nod to the biblical Abel & Kain story) who is his cyborg “brother” at this point would be the opposite: a killing machine hooked on Nuke.
The human brain is built to expect sensation data, so to give it any kind of information rather than nothing is a very good idea, and probably would be essential to Robocop's design. You wouldn't want pain in any kind of limiting way, but I would expect he can feel his body and if it's been damaged or not, and he might register that information as something like pain. Anyway I'm sad you left out my unanswered question, which is not Can Bobby Fly, but Did Bobby Live? He's been thrown from the van and smashed into the windshield of Lewis and Murphy's car, and then he's rolled off and the chase continues. But if he managed to survive that impact (which seems kinda weak because a real stuntman did it and they didn't want to kill anyone) and get to an underground doc in time, he would be the only member of Clarence's gang to live past the movie. Imagine him watching the events of the film on the news, and hearing about the fates of his ex gang in the criminal community, and thinking about how lucky he was. Maybe he even tells the story of the closest call in his entire life.
The 'reimagining' of Robocop pretty much answers the 'what parts were used'. Most of us assumed his main organ cluster as in heart, lungs, some spine for a nervous system interface due to the 'pain sensors. The most important thing apart from his face is seeing that Murphys brain was damaged by the headshot and there is computer hardware inserted/combined with his brain. The odd stuff apart from Murphys face is his tongue, jawbone, teeth, etc considering you pretty much see it whenever he yells or talks. That's even weirder than the face skin considering teeth and soft flesh like the tongue and inside of mouth is constantly regenerating. I think that's just a 'don't worry about it' kinda thing, don't think too hard about it lol.
I’m very happy you rhetorically asked in Question 4. Thank you!!! I asked myself the same questions for many years🤔. Why indeed did they put to live ammunition at a board meeting for ED-209? I know for the movies sake it had to happen for setting tone and happened for the sakes of happening. Maybe unlikely and I’m being funny here. I know the board member volunteered and was young. Let’s say to eliminate someone that pissed you off, competing with or wronged someone in a different department. Maybe a cheating spouse on one or both sides.😃
Having a full-on robot feel pain makes no sense, but a cyborg like Robocop would actually benefit from it. As Humans, we need pain to give us context so we don’t damage our meat suits. Since Murphy still has his consciousness, the (potentially simulated) pain would serve the same purpose.
Hell, Arnold in T2 mentions having damage receptors and says it "could be called pain". But he obviously has no emotional reaction tied to it. But Murphy, being still somewhat human, might still experience those sensations closer to how we would.
I always felt that they could have explained away why Robocop looks so different between 2 and 3 by saying that the company lost the rights to Murphy's likeness due to legal pressure from his family so they had to make a new one.
And don't forget the words to the RoboCop theme tune: He is a robot, He is a man, He is a RoboCop, Is he a robot, Or is he a man, He's just a robot coooop, Yes he is!
Basically, shooting Robo in the face should look like what happens when the Terminator gets shot in the face. What's under the skin must be shaped like a human skull, too. It is weird that in three movies, it never happened. I still wonder if Murphy's file in the steaming trailer was a brand new graphic, or some leftover footage from the movies that the marketing department found. And while there have always been popcorn movies with political themes, there was a time when they were able to do it without characters getting on a soapbox for speeches to spell them out. There's no, "Do better, Senator.. " from Murphy at the end. They also used to feel more personalized. Verhoeven, Carpenter, Milius, Lucas, etc...had their distinct POVs and preferences show through their work. RoboCop is absolutely not what would a current studio committee would sign off on.
I think the Ford Escort was released with this movie. That car, for its time, was different looking, from what was around. In terms of tech, we still use the Browning 1911 (over a century later).
@@matthewganong1730 The original Robocop is one of my favorite sci-fi films as well, I saw it when it first came out. I received two free passes from Cinefastasique magazine at the time and went with a bubby of mine and we were laughing throughout the film, except for Murphy's demise. However, I can't entirely agree that Robocop 3 is better than the original film, and I have the IMDB rating (which is composed of fans and average people voting on it)to back my opinion up. The acting, actors, production design and quality, soundtrack, satire, action, story, special effects make-up, and direction are much superior in the first film. I think most people would agree.
On the subject of #1: the video game adaptations of _RoboCop 3_ take place in 1999, so, being in the "near future" across the entire trilogy, I think we can assume that the trilogy takes place over what the writers of each movie in the trilogy assumed what exaggerated American life would be between 1993 to 1999 from 1987 to 1992.
They wanted to keep him under control. That's why OCP made him able to feel pain to some extent. Remember what we see the activation of directive 4 do to him.
Ed 209 didn't have a "programming error" that led to shooting an executive of OCP. Ed 209 shot an executive of OCP because Dick Jones really hated that guy and reprogrammed Ed 209 to get rid of him.
It just now hit me From Question 7 that Frank Miller reused his version of Robocop 2 in the Spawn/Batman crossover… Margaret Love as the main villain Evil robots with human brains/heads inside
I always assumed it was 2008-ish as far as the timeline the Ford Taurus was new and supposed to be a futuristic car at the time and the world felt future but not so far away but then you dropped the Syl being 98 thing and ruined me 😂
As far as Ed 209 and then Ed 309 I assume that the idea is basically a nod to Detroit/Motor City cause it reminds me of the Ford F-150, F-250 and later the F-350 Super Duty which is giant and also a nod to it's software Edition 2.09 of course this is just my opinion
Robo must also have had some sort of digestive system and perhaps a heart and lungs to supply air and blood to his brain. Remember the part at the precinct where he said what does Robo eat and they showed this dispenser with paste in it and the guy tried it and said it tasted like baby food
Of course movies have always had political and social messages, the question is to what degree it impacts the story, how subtle and what those messages are. Verhoven was a master and sneaking a message through under the radar, while still making a great movie a wide swath of folks could enjoy.
@@movietimelines if I were a more pedantic person I would point out that dictionaries are descriptive, not prescriptive, and that the only reason "chomping" is in there is because of rampant misuse. Fortunately I am not a more pedantic person. 😉 I loved Last Amityville, btw. I need to get around to watching the commentary one of these days.
As for the face, you have to see it from OCP's point of view. It would overcomplicate things by transplanting Murphy's actual face. As living skin needs a blood to stay alive. So bloodvessels need to go through the (most likely) metal skull. Appart from that, it would make it impractical, as sooner or later a bullet will hit him there, and would be replaced anyway. A replica of his original face would be so much more easy to do. Saving money. Saving time and most important, making him more durable.
Pain would be important, he has no sensory perception, so he sticks his hand on a work bench, without pain receptors that bansaw is gonna chew right through his wrist without him even noticing, he has pain sensors for the exact reason any other sentient being does: danger avoidance
About the arms of Dick Jones. The guy responsible for the effect is the same guy who did the matte paintings for the movie. His skill at making matte paintings was extremely good so he was given full trust to also handle the optical effect and creation of the Dick Jones doll. I've seen documentary about it and it seemed the guy himself was proud and pleased with his Dick Jones scene, not having the slightest self critical eye to notice the weirdness and for some reason neither did the director. The obvious solution would have been to give the job to Rob Bottin or Phil Tippet instead but maybe Verhoeven was too much behind schedule, blowing the budget and fighting to get other violent scenes past the rating without being cut. The massacre of Murphy was the very last scene to be filmed, just to force the producer to give Verhoeven enough money to finish the film because without that important scene the movie is worthless. Whole production was under constant threat to be shut down from day one.
Feeling pain allows you to avoid injuries. imagine if robo was to walk through a pool of acid but not feel pain. You are causing damage to yourself because you don't know it.
He is in fact shot in the TEMPLE, to the left as it's filmed, yes there would have been brain damage, but not as bad as it might have seemed. ive heard that in War it's often thought Soldiers are dead, and left for it, BUT they when found survived, there are real life examples, it happened to a Soldier in the Falklands War, & some film examples to like CAPT. CORRELI'S MANDOLIN where Nicholas Cage survives a firing squad, also when the body may be pronounced dead, the brain is STILL functioning, apparently you can loose 3 pints of blood before passing out (that's about a 3rd of an average built man's blood.
I actually liked the remake, it was addressing different questions, including free will vs determinism (programming) and as you point out the drone and deeper than that, identity as a solider or police offer. They just had poor design choices, hampered by a pg-13 rating and the impossible task of living up to the original masterpiece.
The use of tv programs as social commentary feels very much in the same vein as Frank Miller used in the Dark Knight Returns comic book series as well as the Tales of the Black Freighter in the Watchmen comic series by Alan Moore. And as Miller had connections to the Robocop movies I assume this was his influence or suggestion.
If you are really close up, you might be able to shoot someone in the mouth. But if you are even a little bit away, your aim isn’t perfect. You are going to shoot them in the eye, the hair, the chin, the neck, the chest. What were we talking about?
@@madmartigan21 yeah in all seriousness, everyone learns to aim center mass when shooting, because it’s the biggest & easiest thing to hit. Even then it’s easy to miss with the wrong trigger squeeze or breathing. A sharp shooter with a scope & time could shoot directly into Robocops mouth, but a drug dealer with an uzi is just going to pray and spray
I think there is a calendar in the background that says 1986, but I chalk that up to someone in the office being retro. And if memory serves, that's a big IF, I don't think real world cops were driving around in Ford Taurus's back in 1987. That seemed kinda futuristic and I'm fairly sure the shitbox Chevy Caprice or something like it was still the norm in '87. I remember when the Taurus style cop cars were introduced in real life commenting that "oh, life imitates art"
But Peter Weller really wanted to do R3 . He even met with Fred Dekker to tell him in person that unfortunately he cannot do it due to Naked Lunch. I don't know why the this myth is still alive
Wasnt down for the TV series, although I did watch most of them at the time. Years later I bought the _Prime Directives_ boxset. Four movie-length discs (maybe made for TV movies?) Those were really good.
But wait, about that timeline.... When Clarence is meeting the drug dealer he says: "Guns guns guns. C'mon Sal! The Tigers are playing tonight!" So the Detroit Tigers? That wouldn't be in February.
@@madmartigan21 He can be excited about a game happening in another city. Maybe he wants to listen to it on the radio. Or maybe they broadcast all spring training games on TV in the future. Or maybe the global climate is warmer in the future and spring training games don't happen in a warmer city. I'm just addressing the timeline.
Could be. The World Series, the "October Classic" is now in November. March madness ends in April. But yeah, I also thought that it sure doesn't look like winter in Detroit.
You call it “unfettered capitalism” others call it “late stage capitalism” but it really isn’t, it’s corporatism and we have it now. Capitalism is about competition, corporatism is when powerful companies prevent that competition by corrupting the government. Capitalism doesn’t require the idea of corporations as people, stands against the “too big to Fail” and is anti monopoly. OCP definitely didn’t want any competition.
Ah, but the question is in what position was Murphy's hand when it got shot off? Was it palm down by his side or was it palm up resting by his head? Sorry, that incongruity always kind of bothered me and now you won't be able to unsee it too. If you can mention Dick Jones' arms, we can bring this one up too :-P. Also, I kept saying to myself, oh yeah, there was a Robocop 3. That's the one where Robo straps a jetpack to himself and gets pulled around on cables. I swear there were I saw the cables and just burst out laughing like that weird Japanese robot.
While I hated the 2014 robocop movie, The explanation given for the hand kind of fits to me. I mean, it's stupid, but at the same time kind of fits the theme a little. I can see a corporate boss saying something like that not really thinking or caring about the full ramifications.
The no. of times, the question is asked, "why doesnt he get shot in the face?, an obvious question, BUT if you look at the make up design when he removes the helmet, especially from the side & back views there is a metal titanium jaw & probably...skull, therefore shooting him there, wouldnt stop him, he is near indestructable, designed to "eat bullits" BUT they hadnt reconed on him having to face rockets/missiles, which 209 launches at him, then he is in trouble, I believe the skin IS artificial, when they say a paste to sustain his organic tissue" they mean his brain and sternum only.
Ed 209 was the 9th to exist. For basic R&D the 20 would be the series number and the 9 would be the version. Ed 309 (the large one) would be series 30, but the 9th version. This basic understanding of R&D numbering (mostly in robotics) fits with the movie's numbering system. I would assume that the first 8 versions never made it out of the lab, which is why no one ever saw it previously.
I was going to say Ed 2-09 and 3-09
I concur often times model numbers are smart or in someway implied generations, so it was probably the second generation ninth prototype
Agreed. I work for a really big manufacturer of industrial equipment and that's how we do it and most others as well.
What was your source for this information?
You're wrong he says he has spare parts for 28 years so that's where you get the 28+ one year 29
In the beginning of the film Murphy doesn't join the force he states at least twice that he was transferred from a different precinct
Yep. Plus his file shows his history and citations/awards with the force. He had a pretty decent career.
And just before Murphy's first scene Bob Morton says they are beginning a search for suitable candidates for the Robocop project, which seems like it is implying OCP is having highly capable decorated officers transferred to violent precincts to obtain "candidates".
Nice job sliding Ralph Dibny's name in there at that moment. If they know they know. I appreciated it.
Hmm, my nose is twitching. Must be a mystery nearby.
The ED-209 stairs weakness makes me think of when the UK police tried a rollerblade squad, and it didn't take long for people to figure out their main weakness was grass.
When and where did that happen?
"In 2000, a four-strong team of roller skating officers were introduced to the Royal Parks Constabulary in London's Kensington Gardens.
Despite promises that they would revolutionise the policing of London's parks, the pilot scheme was abandoned only a few months later.
There was said to be a fatal flaw in the idea of a skating pursuit. Perpetrators would simply run across the grass, where the skate police could not follow."@@kanedaku
@@rhaimusg5785 you made it seem like it was a legitimate force-wide trial, and not just some hyped up knobhead's local community scheme.
Didn't make it sound like anything. Said they tried it, it failed that's all. However, they are still going strong in Paris and have been for years@@kanedaku
@@rhaimusg5785 Yes, but you did. The Royal Park Constabulary doing a trial would have no influence upon the wider *_UK Police"._*
It was a little branch of the police, which has no influence on wider policing, and even if the trial was successful that nutter Red Ken would never have let it go anywhere else in London.
Should have mentioned Paris then. Anyhoo, goodnight 😘
The opening comment about “…more hair, down there!” And her about to reveal she’s bald or shaved it off! LOL! Great humor! 😊
The pain receptors are a pretty good idea to include. They don’t want the initial deployed unit to have no self preservation. It would make him no better than a standard robot enforcer. Pain is a defense mechanism and warning system. We feel pain to make us acknowledge injuries and remove the danger when possible.
Think about a hot surface with your hand on it. If we had no pain receptors and didn’t know the surface was hot, we wouldn’t realize there was a problem until we observed damage visually or smelled cooking meat.
I also believe it's so they could keep this walking tank in check, I mean he's supposed to be friendly to the public and also an enforcer so being able to hug someone and not accidentally crush them because he can't feel anything helps the public image and then pain receptors for when he goes off the deep end I mean he was the first successful one and he was back from death so anything could've triggered him like the guy in RoboCop 2 who's so shocked that he needs Nuke to calm down this could've easily been Alex Murphy if he wasn't still dedicated to his now permanent job which is now forced on him against his will as a thank you for being resurrected
@@drebone1986 He was a good copper, like Sam Vimes...
On the DVD extras that show is absolutely called It's Not My Problem. And it's tonight a 8pm!
In the original RoboCop there's a scene where they say ,"lose the hand"......
I think maybe they were just going off that nostalgia by doing the opposite though
He has to have some kind of digestive system because they refer to that paste that looks and tastes like baby food to sustain his biological systems. Lewis bring some baby food at the abandoned refinery. And he says to her that he's "not hungry" at the time which would imply that sometimes he is hungry. He would also need some kind of cardiovascular system. If he's not taking in air, how would he talk? Also the nutrients he digests would be carried in his bloodstream to support his brain.
Yeah. I was wondering how the baby food like substance fit in with the face flesh theory of the video. Josh probably has an answer though. So I'm just curious as to what it was/is.. Hah.
@@cistric317 the answer is thatJosh missed it all together.
I just think of the one good scene from the remake where it's revealed that all that's left of Murphy is his head, heart and lungs.
funny. this was actually a question that i didn't use for this episode and will maybe cover in a future one. but, short answer : i don't think the food was "food" as much as it was a component that provided nutrients and such that the very small amount of organics needed. he didn't have a physical stomach as much as he had a mechanical "processor" that got what it needed out of it.
as far as the cardiovascular system, i'm not so sure that he did need to breathe. he could talk in the same way that ED209 talked. with a digital voice processor.
@@movietimelines So do you think the baby food she brought for him would have been of use to him or did she waste her efforts? :D Thanks for going ahead and providing the answer you had.
Whenever I find a copy at goodwill or pawn shops I buy it. Which is normally $1. So, Id buy that... At least 8 times so far 😂
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Question 11: could Bobby fly or what? I mean judging from the movie I'd say no, but maybe that was just because he wasn't able to get enough lift coming out of the back of the panel van, perhaps if thrown from a greater height Bobby could make a go of it.
I always thought the "I'd buy that for a dollar" was Ed Powers, lol
By some coincidence I saw The Lawnmower Man earlier today, and just realized that one of the corporate bad guy soldiers in that film was the same actor in Robocop who said "We have orders to destroy it." The S.O.B!
From the many videos i have watched i think the shotgun blasts that hit his armour would have mainly just caused nasty blunt trauma ...great video
Broken ribs and bruising
The Robocop2014 hand subplot wasn't about people's perceptions - it was a legality. A machine couldn't pull the trigger, and Keaton's character acknowledges that. By leaving the hand connected to the brain, though, it's not a machine - it's Murphy. They were being sly by having Murphy be running a program, though.
Whoever your friend who played the mugger is in the beginning, they'd make a great 80s character actor haha - They just got the right look to be cast as "generic street tough in NYC #3" :P
I'm surprised you didn't get into the fact that Robocop had to eat the paste that Perry said tasted like baby food....
Maybe they kept his right hand as a gimmick because it was the first thing to go in the original movie.
Omnicorp isn't ocp - it's a subsidiary of it, they mention at the end that the events of the film have caught the attention of the bosses upstairs at OCP
Kudos for getting Tom Savini to cameo 😆
not Tom Savini, but thanks for playing monkey see monkey do
I forget where I read it, but it was deemed from previous failed attempts at making a cyborg, to require a portion of their humanity instead on just a brain in a can because they'd go insane (See Robocop 2). Also, that while the face is that of Murphey, it's just skin draped over a metal endostructure. This was used to explain why actors changed from 3 and the TV series because now and then they would have to change the skin because it went bad after so long
Two things to touch on: I believe it’s been stated, though I can’t remember where, that his neck and chin guard are retractable once the helmet comes off even though we never see it happen. Second, Murphy was already an officer he just transferred, and it’s mentioned that this was part of the Robocop candidate selection. Also in Robo 2, Faxx gives exposition to explain why Murphy’s transition into a cyborg succeeded without him going completely insane and attributed it to a strong sense of duty with a distinguished career as well as being a family man with a clean upbringing. Ironically those qualities started to make him a liability as they were worried about being able to keep a leash on him as more of Murphy emerged. It’s never specifically stated but they pretty much imply that as the reasoning for phasing Murphy out with junk “Friendly Robocop” protocols in order to control him. Whereas Kain (nod to the biblical Abel & Kain story) who is his cyborg “brother” at this point would be the opposite: a killing machine hooked on Nuke.
The human brain is built to expect sensation data, so to give it any kind of information rather than nothing is a very good idea, and probably would be essential to Robocop's design. You wouldn't want pain in any kind of limiting way, but I would expect he can feel his body and if it's been damaged or not, and he might register that information as something like pain. Anyway I'm sad you left out my unanswered question, which is not Can Bobby Fly, but Did Bobby Live? He's been thrown from the van and smashed into the windshield of Lewis and Murphy's car, and then he's rolled off and the chase continues. But if he managed to survive that impact (which seems kinda weak because a real stuntman did it and they didn't want to kill anyone) and get to an underground doc in time, he would be the only member of Clarence's gang to live past the movie. Imagine him watching the events of the film on the news, and hearing about the fates of his ex gang in the criminal community, and thinking about how lucky he was. Maybe he even tells the story of the closest call in his entire life.
Oh man. This video is a double rainbow for me. Unanswered Questions is always my favorite. And I LOVE the videos with wrap around sketches! A++
The 'reimagining' of Robocop pretty much answers the 'what parts were used'. Most of us assumed his main organ cluster as in heart, lungs, some spine for a nervous system interface due to the 'pain sensors. The most important thing apart from his face is seeing that Murphys brain was damaged by the headshot and there is computer hardware inserted/combined with his brain. The odd stuff apart from Murphys face is his tongue, jawbone, teeth, etc considering you pretty much see it whenever he yells or talks. That's even weirder than the face skin considering teeth and soft flesh like the tongue and inside of mouth is constantly regenerating. I think that's just a 'don't worry about it' kinda thing, don't think too hard about it lol.
Elongated Man reference over a Mr Fantastic one? I'm impressed.
I’m very happy you rhetorically asked in Question 4. Thank you!!! I asked myself the same questions for many years🤔. Why indeed did they put to live ammunition at a board meeting for ED-209?
I know for the movies sake it had to happen for setting tone and happened for the sakes of happening.
Maybe unlikely and I’m being funny here. I know the board member volunteered and was young. Let’s say to eliminate someone that pissed you off, competing with or wronged someone in a different department. Maybe a cheating spouse on one or both sides.😃
Having a full-on robot feel pain makes no sense, but a cyborg like Robocop would actually benefit from it.
As Humans, we need pain to give us context so we don’t damage our meat suits. Since Murphy still has his consciousness, the (potentially simulated) pain would serve the same purpose.
Hell, Arnold in T2 mentions having damage receptors and says it "could be called pain". But he obviously has no emotional reaction tied to it.
But Murphy, being still somewhat human, might still experience those sensations closer to how we would.
I always felt that they could have explained away why Robocop looks so different between 2 and 3 by saying that the company lost the rights to Murphy's likeness due to legal pressure from his family so they had to make a new one.
play Robocop Rogue City. It is official cannon and takes place between 2 & 3
Think there was a deleted scene or part of the script that he was set on fire at the start of 3 to explain the need for a new face due to the damage
@@DMCis4ever it's not deleted. It's in there when robo disobeys orders to rescue lewis.
Gods job getting Tom Savini to play the mugger!
not Tom Savini
And don't forget the words to the RoboCop theme tune:
He is a robot,
He is a man,
He is a RoboCop,
Is he a robot,
Or is he a man,
He's just a robot coooop,
Yes he is!
"He is a robot, he is a cop, he is a robocop. They shot his head in, and made him dead in, now he's a robocop."
This was stellar
Basically, shooting Robo in the face should look like what happens when the Terminator gets shot in the face. What's under the skin must be shaped like a human skull, too. It is weird that in three movies, it never happened.
I still wonder if Murphy's file in the steaming trailer was a brand new graphic, or some leftover footage from the movies that the marketing department found.
And while there have always been popcorn movies with political themes, there was a time when they were able to do it without characters getting on a soapbox for speeches to spell them out. There's no, "Do better, Senator.. " from Murphy at the end.
They also used to feel more personalized. Verhoeven, Carpenter, Milius, Lucas, etc...had their distinct POVs and preferences show through their work. RoboCop is absolutely not what would a current studio committee would sign off on.
The mugger's crumpled up knife... 😂😂😂
I think the Ford Escort was released with this movie. That car, for its time, was different looking, from what was around. In terms of tech, we still use the Browning 1911 (over a century later).
My favorite Sci-Fi film ever. It did everything it needed to do in like 85 minutes. Has there ever been a more tightly-paced film?
The movie is 103 minutes.
The Terminator has similar pacing.
@@Theoverthinker81 agreed.
@@matthewganong1730 The original Robocop is one of my favorite sci-fi films as well, I saw it when it first came out. I received two free passes from Cinefastasique magazine at the time and went with a bubby of mine and we were laughing throughout the film, except for Murphy's demise. However, I can't entirely agree that Robocop 3 is better than the original film, and I have the IMDB rating (which is composed of fans and average people voting on it)to back my opinion up. The acting, actors, production design and quality, soundtrack, satire, action, story, special effects make-up, and direction are much superior in the first film. I think most people would agree.
More proof. ruclips.net/video/vafKgwwe3FY/видео.html
Remember that Johnson ate the past that sustained Murphy's organic system.
On the subject of #1: the video game adaptations of _RoboCop 3_ take place in 1999, so, being in the "near future" across the entire trilogy, I think we can assume that the trilogy takes place over what the writers of each movie in the trilogy assumed what exaggerated American life would be between 1993 to 1999 from 1987 to 1992.
They wanted to keep him under control. That's why OCP made him able to feel pain to some extent. Remember what we see the activation of directive 4 do to him.
Ed 209 didn't have a "programming error" that led to shooting an executive of OCP. Ed 209 shot an executive of OCP because Dick Jones really hated that guy and reprogrammed Ed 209 to get rid of him.
It just now hit me From Question 7 that Frank Miller reused his version of Robocop 2 in the Spawn/Batman crossover…
Margaret Love as the main villain
Evil robots with human brains/heads inside
No expense was spared for that Robocop costume… literally. Why did Robocop decide to help Sting?
I always assumed it was 2008-ish as far as the timeline the Ford Taurus was new and supposed to be a futuristic car at the time and the world felt future but not so far away but then you dropped the Syl being 98 thing and ruined me 😂
I really hate that They killed Louis in the third one
As far as Ed 209 and then Ed 309 I assume that the idea is basically a nod to Detroit/Motor City cause it reminds me of the Ford F-150, F-250 and later the F-350 Super Duty which is giant and also a nod to it's software Edition 2.09 of course this is just my opinion
Robo must also have had some sort of digestive system and perhaps a heart and lungs to supply air and blood to his brain. Remember the part at the precinct where he said what does Robo eat and they showed this dispenser with paste in it and the guy tried it and said it tasted like baby food
The biggest question I have Josh, is where did you get that awesome Robocop costume!?
Of course movies have always had political and social messages, the question is to what degree it impacts the story, how subtle and what those messages are. Verhoven was a master and sneaking a message through under the radar, while still making a great movie a wide swath of folks could enjoy.
they definitely peeled his skin off his dead body and slapped it over his metal head
Why would you think Murphy is just joining the force and that it is his first day on the job? He is a veteran police officer.
Amazing video you and your wife should collaborate on more videos. This was very entertaining.
I love Star Trek V because of one thing, it gave us the marshmallow dispenser.
And let's not forget Xbox One is the third series of the box and then they went on to letters so yeah Ed209 isn't so confusing after all.
Champing. The phrase is "champing at the bit."
either is acceptable. www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/champing%20at%20the%20bit
@@movietimelines if I were a more pedantic person I would point out that dictionaries are descriptive, not prescriptive, and that the only reason "chomping" is in there is because of rampant misuse. Fortunately I am not a more pedantic person. 😉
I loved Last Amityville, btw. I need to get around to watching the commentary one of these days.
As for the face, you have to see it from OCP's point of view. It would overcomplicate things by transplanting Murphy's actual face. As living skin needs a blood to stay alive. So bloodvessels need to go through the (most likely) metal skull. Appart from that, it would make it impractical, as sooner or later a bullet will hit him there, and would be replaced anyway. A replica of his original face would be so much more easy to do. Saving money. Saving time and most important, making him more durable.
😂 😂" Super Criminal, Red Foreman"!😂😂
I have never realized robocop is a future movie
Pain would be important, he has no sensory perception, so he sticks his hand on a work bench, without pain receptors that bansaw is gonna chew right through his wrist without him even noticing, he has pain sensors for the exact reason any other sentient being does: danger avoidance
Stated clearly in the movie that Murphy is transferred. The only thing that’s left of Murphy is his brain.
About the arms of Dick Jones. The guy responsible for the effect is the same guy who did the matte paintings for the movie. His skill at making matte paintings was extremely good so he was given full trust to also handle the optical effect and creation of the Dick Jones doll. I've seen documentary about it and it seemed the guy himself was proud and pleased with his Dick Jones scene, not having the slightest self critical eye to notice the weirdness and for some reason neither did the director. The obvious solution would have been to give the job to Rob Bottin or Phil Tippet instead but maybe Verhoeven was too much behind schedule, blowing the budget and fighting to get other violent scenes past the rating without being cut. The massacre of Murphy was the very last scene to be filmed, just to force the producer to give Verhoeven enough money to finish the film because without that important scene the movie is worthless. Whole production was under constant threat to be shut down from day one.
According to RoboCop 3, Murphy has a Heart.
an artificial mitsubishi heart
Why why why was I programmed to feel pain
Feeling pain allows you to avoid injuries. imagine if robo was to walk through a pool of acid but not feel pain. You are causing damage to yourself because you don't know it.
He is in fact shot in the TEMPLE, to the left as it's filmed, yes there would have been brain damage, but not as bad as it might have seemed.
ive heard that in War it's often thought Soldiers are dead, and left for it, BUT they when found survived, there are real life examples, it happened to a Soldier in the Falklands War, & some film examples to like CAPT. CORRELI'S MANDOLIN where Nicholas Cage survives a firing squad, also when the body may be pronounced dead, the brain is STILL functioning, apparently you can loose 3 pints of blood before passing out (that's about a 3rd of an average built man's blood.
I actually liked the remake, it was addressing different questions, including free will vs determinism (programming) and as you point out the drone and deeper than that, identity as a solider or police offer. They just had poor design choices, hampered by a pg-13 rating and the impossible task of living up to the original masterpiece.
Rogue City is the Robocop 3 we should have gotten
on Mortal Kombat 11 there was a lot of hints on his ..anatomy when a fatality was executed on him
Your wife has a total Katy Perry vibe to her
Katy Perry and her doppelganger are timeless.
The use of tv programs as social commentary feels very much in the same vein as Frank Miller used in the Dark Knight Returns comic book series as well as the Tales of the Black Freighter in the Watchmen comic series by Alan Moore. And as Miller had connections to the Robocop movies I assume this was his influence or suggestion.
With AI we can have a hundred new Rambo movies pretty quickly.
is 4:09 a singing fish on the wall? is that common in police headquarters?
Probably not common, but a police station is essentially an office, you have quirks like that if the boss is cool with it.
Kudos for the Ralph Dibny reference! 👍🏼
it was cool of robocop to save that woman, glad he didn't need to rescue Sting again.
Is she part of this channel? Or a guest like some people are saying the robber is?
i believe that`s Josh`s wife.@@kanedaku
@@TheJericho1123 Coolio. Was just being nosy. 😬
Robocop is not a film about robots. Despite the title, it is a film about a cyborg.
lol awesome vid. It’s always good to see Christy.
Love the intro 😂
Robo must be the t -model right before Marcus from Terminator: Salvation
I thought that the baby food was for the maintaining of his organic components. And I thought his face was stretched over robotics
If you are really close up, you might be able to shoot someone in the mouth. But if you are even a little bit away, your aim isn’t perfect. You are going to shoot them in the eye, the hair, the chin, the neck, the chest. What were we talking about?
Josh thinks it's much easier to be a Wild Bill like sharpshooter than it really is.
@@madmartigan21 yeah in all seriousness, everyone learns to aim center mass when shooting, because it’s the biggest & easiest thing to hit. Even then it’s easy to miss with the wrong trigger squeeze or breathing. A sharp shooter with a scope & time could shoot directly into Robocops mouth, but a drug dealer with an uzi is just going to pray and spray
I think there is a calendar in the background that says 1986, but I chalk that up to someone in the office being retro. And if memory serves, that's a big IF, I don't think real world cops were driving around in Ford Taurus's back in 1987. That seemed kinda futuristic and I'm fairly sure the shitbox Chevy Caprice or something like it was still the norm in '87. I remember when the Taurus style cop cars were introduced in real life commenting that "oh, life imitates art"
The chin guard and neck guard lower into chest when the helmet is removed.
my thoughts exacly
Of course the Old Man got fired. Look, when your crack fiend powered robot goes on a rampage, the investors are going to have an opinion.
But Peter Weller really wanted to do R3 . He even met with Fred Dekker to tell him in person that unfortunately he cannot do it due to Naked Lunch. I don't know why the this myth is still alive
Did you ever watch the Robocop TV series? It was pretty cheap but interesting
Wasnt down for the TV series, although I did watch most of them at the time. Years later I bought the _Prime Directives_ boxset. Four movie-length discs (maybe made for TV movies?)
Those were really good.
But wait, about that timeline....
When Clarence is meeting the drug dealer he says:
"Guns guns guns. C'mon Sal! The Tigers are playing tonight!"
So the Detroit Tigers? That wouldn't be in February.
Good point, it has to be at least April. Also it never looks like it's cold outside. Detroit is frigid in the winter.
Could have been an early spring training game I guess. Maybe Clarence was a really big fan.
@@solsticelacer spring training is always held in warm weather cities regardless of where the actual home team is from.
@@madmartigan21 He can be excited about a game happening in another city. Maybe he wants to listen to it on the radio. Or maybe they broadcast all spring training games on TV in the future. Or maybe the global climate is warmer in the future and spring training games don't happen in a warmer city. I'm just addressing the timeline.
Could be. The World Series, the "October Classic" is now in November. March madness ends in April. But yeah, I also thought that it sure doesn't look like winter in Detroit.
Where can we buy this suit?
You call it “unfettered capitalism” others call it “late stage capitalism” but it really isn’t, it’s corporatism and we have it now. Capitalism is about competition, corporatism is when powerful companies prevent that competition by corrupting the government. Capitalism doesn’t require the idea of corporations as people, stands against the “too big to Fail” and is anti monopoly. OCP definitely didn’t want any competition.
Wondering if Robocop 2 would have been called The Corporate Wars, would It then be in same universe as Rollerball (1975 version of course)?
The society of Robocop couldn't ever happen, could it?
I mean ED aka Enforcer Droid 209 could be fiscal year two, nineth iteration of that line?
Ah, but the question is in what position was Murphy's hand when it got shot off? Was it palm down by his side or was it palm up resting by his head? Sorry, that incongruity always kind of bothered me and now you won't be able to unsee it too. If you can mention Dick Jones' arms, we can bring this one up too :-P. Also, I kept saying to myself, oh yeah, there was a Robocop 3. That's the one where Robo straps a jetpack to himself and gets pulled around on cables. I swear there were I saw the cables and just burst out laughing like that weird Japanese robot.
2:45 Forgive the pedantry, but didn't we see Alex Murphy transferred to a new precinct, not joining the force?
You are not being pedantic you are merely stating the facts 🤷♂
You left out the part, where he eats baby food. So, part of his digestive track, has to be there.
While I hated the 2014 robocop movie, The explanation given for the hand kind of fits to me. I mean, it's stupid, but at the same time kind of fits the theme a little. I can see a corporate boss saying something like that not really thinking or caring about the full ramifications.
The no. of times, the question is asked, "why doesnt he get shot in the face?, an obvious question, BUT if you look at the make up design when he removes the helmet, especially from the side & back views there is a metal titanium jaw & probably...skull, therefore shooting him there, wouldnt stop him, he is near indestructable, designed to "eat bullits" BUT they hadnt reconed on him having to face rockets/missiles, which 209 launches at him, then he is in trouble, I believe the skin IS artificial, when they say a paste to sustain his organic tissue" they mean his brain and sternum only.
ROBOCOP AND TERMINATOR ARE BOTH OF THE SAME UNIVERSE IF YOU INCLUDE THEM BOTH INTO HALLOWEEN III: THE SEASON OF THE WATCH.
You got the thumbs up the second I saw the costume!
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Love this!
Good video. I skipped the question about the rebooted version.
I thought the 1st film was the best one.