What the India-China LAC deal means & what it doesn’t. Understanding China’s 1959 claim line
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- Опубликовано: 24 ноя 2024
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India and China have reached an agreement regarding border tensions in Ladakh, particularly following clashes since early 2020. This arrangement involves separating patrols and verifying the removal of structures by both sides. However, confusion remains about the specifics of new or existing buffer zones and whether similar agreements have been made in other regions, like Yangtze. In Episode 1543 of #CutTheClutter, Editor-in-Chief Shekhar Gupta and Defence Editor Snehesh Alex Philip discuss the new arrangements around LAC, the 1959 claim line debate, and more.
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02:03-- New arrangements around LAC
04:59--The 1959 claim line & China
05:27-- The McMahon line debate
10:59-- India-China buffer zones along LAC
18:16-- India-China LAC issues
19:54-- 2024 Depsang-Demchok agreement
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Can I request Mr. Shekhar Gupta & Mr. Philip to talk with indication to an ever present map rather than indicating areas by waving their hands in the air? This would provide clarity to intellectually challenged viewers like me, who need to see the map with the areas concerned rather than try to visualize them from hand gestures.
They could just watch caspian report for inspiration.. that RUclipsr does a great job at it
He talks too much
A Map ? Not in Shekhar G DNA ...
@@ganeshdore It would help to make Mr. Gupta's session easier to understand.
@@prajwalshetty9809 I'm certainly NOT implying that Mr. Gupta is not doing a great job. He is, without a doubt. All I'm saying is that his session would be much easier to absorb if we had a map on which he is indicating the session points. This would be very helpful for geographically challenged viewers like me,
Thanks to Trudeau's expert diplomacy, India is fast-tracking its border settlement with China. With that out of the way, India has a clear shot at a permanent seat on the UNSC-especially with the U.S., U.K., and France cheering from the sidelines.
In 1960, Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai proposed a compromise to resolve the India-China border dispute, suggesting that China would recognize India's claim to the eastern sector (Arunachal Pradesh) if India acknowledged Chinese control over Aksai Chin in the western sector. This "package deal" aimed to settle the boundary by dividing the contested areas between the two countries, with China prioritizing Aksai Chin for its strategic link between Tibet and Xinjiang. However, Indian Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru rejected the proposal, as he was unwilling to return any territory gained by lines drawn by its former colonial master.
The U.S. maintained its embargo on China during the Great Chinese Famine (1959-1961) discouraging other nations from sending food, while millions died of starvation.
Confident that China is weakened and will collapse, India implemented its "Forward Policy", expecting a weak Chinese response.
If this border issue had been resolved in 1960, the past 64 years of mutual suspicion and distrust might have been avoided.
Anywhere in the world, if there is a border dispute, it is usually the result of a line drawn by an Englishman; if it is an internal dispute, it is usually the US fueling it with diplomatic, financial, covert, and military support. Difference in implementation of divide and conquer strategy.
Chinese bot
Modi is an asset for India .The
bearded guy has built massive
infrastructure in the frontier areas
bordering on Ladakh
Being a wanderer ,I can vouch
for it 😮
🎉 please remind me please what he said in the parliament, no koi ayya ma kisi ne kuch Liya , so why would anyone buld infrastructure and deploy troop on LAC , in your blind faith of a lier you will lose your mind if you haven't already. 😂
So according to you, we should only deploy troops and build infrastructure around border after someone takes over??? Thats the most insane thing anyone could say. Anyone who owns any property knows line on paper doesn't mean anything if you don't actively protect it, reinforce it and have easy access to it. We had already lost a lot of land over these years coz of this exact stupidity and its already disputed. Questioning our proactiveness is the stupidest thing one can do. Come up with an actual argument than just foul cries. If you have actual criticism than say it rather than only throwing words like liar coz you don't like someone.@@kaushikchoudhary1512
@@kaushikchoudhary1512 If you just blindly repeat that statement, it means you don't understand what actually happened.
All the action happened in the no man's land. China built bunker in the no-man's land, in violation of 1993 and 1996 border agreements. No one came out of the no man's land. Stand-off and clashes happened in the area of overlapping claims.
@@rajx7120
Yes, Lets be the ostrich and keep our heads in the hole and assume 'sab changa si'
@@Priya-cm3tr There was no infra along the LAC till 7 years back. It was the Doklam trigger of 2017, that woke India up. The blame lies with congress that didn't bother to do the same in 60 years of their rule. Quite literally sleeping on the wheel.
You can't defend places where you can't reach.
The deal means that India can smile at China, and China can smile back. India did not get much out of the West for being a vanguard against China. So, now India changes position and swings its legs to the Russia/China camp.
From China's perspective, as long as India does not side with the West completely, it is GOOD ENOUGH. So, it smiles back to India. In fact, everybody smiles to India because they all know India will forever sit on the fence, swinging its legs back and forth from US/EU camp to Russia/China camp. They don't mind giving India some breadcrumbs to keep swinging. India obviously does not mind swinging for some breadcrumbs. India only needs the PERCEPTION that it is moving in time. It does not care where and how it is moving. From India's perspective, MOVING is both the mean and the end. It could move FOREVER. Time has very little meaning to India.
India is an unstable democracy, the government has to appear strong for its domestic audience. Sadly, that's what it is.
India is in a precarious situation. It has to depend on other nations which falls under the influences of both the camps you mentioned and this is why India is not able to choose with conviction. It's very risky and can prove to be catastrophic especially with the West and the Chinese keeping Pakistan alive to keep India under check. The moment India makes a move that shows conviction and sligh aggression , they will use Pakistan and support preposterous claims by Pakistan. So there are multiple reasons for Indians behavior and hope world would take note of that and not look at the issue with a one dimensional view. Hopefully things will change in the future.
@@loveinthelandfill1124volatile might be more apt. Unstable reeks of ignorance and desperation to write *India off .
@@loveinthelandfill1124India is not an unstable democracy what the hell are you yapping about? The government has been voted to power by the people into a third term.
@@Dr.SyedSaifAbbasNaqvi I stated this because I don't trust our democracy! There is something naughty or should I say malevolent about the state of democracy in our country, past time or present time!
Thanks for the excellent analysis and update. It would be great if you could keep an appropriate map of the area being spoke about in screen.
Guptaji - thanks for bringing up the maps while talking. Also would appreciate if your team can look in to potential top level changes happening in Xi's wing men in the past few weeks and its impact on this decision
Such a complex topic, wonderfully de-cluttered by Shekhar Gupta garu.
@ 4:26 All this while Chacha Lehru was blowing 'Hind-Chini Bhai-Bhai' trumpet... how treachrous & self-inflciting...
@ 8:43 Neville proponent of China's nefarious view of the war and yet 'Yours truly; knew him well - what does this tell, Ess Gee?
Chinese Land Grab of Southern & North Eastern BHUTAN Close to Indian Bourder ... Bhutan Silent is Being Totallly Overlooked
Imagine that you are just being bulldozed. Then suck it up. Everything will be alright.
They are a tiny country, landlocked, miniscule population, not many natural resources other than hydropower cannot blame them for not being overly aggressive against a Giant like China. Hell even Pakistan surrendered huge swathes of land from their controlled part of the Kashmir peacefully just to appease the Chinese...
How come there was no coverage on the Eastern Sector- I mean the Arunachal Pradesh area? Tawang was mentioned a few times and I was agog to know more.
At 8:45, Navil Maxwell quotes Brig. JP Dalvi often in his book. Btw there was this NI episode where we learnt that more than land or anything else, the Chinese with this move along tye LAC are exploiting the fault lines in India's democratic setup. What was the episode number ?
Very Informative... THANKS !
Sir, you must use maps and animation to explain such intricate issues
Such a wealth of defence information both SG and SAP posses .
Even for an unversed like me , it wasn’t difficult to understand.
Enjoyed this presentation .
He has so much wealth of information regarding defence that my dear friend he propagated and ran fake army coup story when he was working for Indian express. There is a reason why people call him "coupta" 🙏🏻
@@AnuragSinha7 The article reported facts. Army units were moving towards the capital of the country without prior approval, the same day army chief went to the Supreme Court against the govt. The article didn't even mention the word 'coup'. The same army chief then joined a certain party after retiring.
@@banwesh3 learn separate whispers from facts. You are missing that same Army chief had established TDS and was being vilified for taking actions against terrorists and terrorism; was punished by government. That was the reason BJP offered him political role afterwards. And Shekhar Gupta was just a puppet writing stories on instructions being given to him.
If you have so much trust in him then find out from where did he get his luxurious farmhouse and other investments. However he did charge 1 crore from his express job, he still didn't make enough to have this kind of filthy wealth that he has accumulated. Watch his old commentary and analysis, you will get the idea whether he works or he works for someone 😊
@@AnuragSinha7 First of all it was TSD and not TDS. And what does it have to do with the events that occurred that night? Even the govt of the time dismissed the story in question and criticised Shekhar. Even VK Singh admitted that the events did take place but expects us to dismiss it as "a routine exercise". The TSD itself was corrupt and used govt funds for personal international trips and many of the funds are still unaccounted for. They also attempted to sabotage the appointment of the next COAS. If VK Singh was so hellbent on eliminating terrorists, the BJP would have given him an active advisory role in intelligence agencies and NOT made him a minister of state which basically gives him no power but the benefits of being in the cabinet. Shekhar may have his personal biases but it is not my job to figure out how he got his money. If it really is from illict activities, we know the present govt can use state machinery to make his life hell, which they have been doing for so many other people. The only people calls him "Coupta" are VK Singh and his sidekicks.
Thanks. In a future episode on this subject, you may wish to discuss the Johnson-Ardagh and the McDonald-McCartney lines on Aksai Chin. The Published Indian maps of today use the Johnson-Ardagh Line (roughly the Kunlun range) as the claimed border. The McDonald-McCartney line is interesting- while it tracks east of the Karakorums in parts, it also bisects Aksai Chin in a north-south fashion through the Laktsang Range north of the Lingzi Tang plains and salt flats. The Chinese 1959 Claim line roughly pushes India to the Karokorums, as opposed to Kunlun. An animated graphic that shows how the Lines have moved steadily westwards would help provide a visual aid to understanding the history.
India can barely access Karakorum, to suggest India can control up to Kunlun is pure dellusion since it is geographically so isolated from India. India access to Karakorum is literlaly just the Karakorum highway, there is no alternate road into that valley. the LAC is where it is because that is the extend to which India can control. all those lines are pointless because they are logistically impossible to support. so what is the point of talking about lines that only exist in theory and can't be realised physically?
India and China should get together and make a border commision and settle the border in a civil manner with give and take. India's only reason for holding on to DBO is to protect Karakoram pass but the pass is useless if China keeps the otherside closed. India should negotiate for 20 kms east of the DBO to Leh road and give the rest of Aksai Chin to China. China needs Aksai Chin to protect the Xinjiang Tibet road and even giving up 20 kms that road is safe. In return for this, in other areas India and China should agree to a border along the watershed, then withdraw down to 5000 feet on both sides and agree for all areas above 5000 feet to be off-limits to military. Will make life easier for soldiers. Another condition from Indian side for giving up claims to Aksai Chin should be a 100 year renewable lease on the Kailash Mansarovar area. That area is of much more sentimental value to Indians than Aksai Chin which is uninhabitable.
Also with borders being settled Trade with Tibet and Xinjiang should be opened up via the passes. Preindependence there was active trade through these passes. We can even bring a Russia to India oil pipeline through Karakoram if this area becomes settled.
@@lagrangewei , no reason to talk about it other than understanding history...to know what various thoughts were as we got to where we are. Not at all suggesting any of those lines are achievable or even desirable today given the ground situation. For historians, an interesting question is why Johnson-Ardagh proposed that line, or McDonald-McCartney chose the north-south division of Aksai Chin. The Why question is instructive, like why MacMahon drew his line (and the other more intriguing blue and red lines in the 1914 Simla agreement- inner and outer Tibet), or even why the hapless Radcliffe drew his lines as such. Why talk about them? Paraphrasing what someone said about going to the moon- because they are there.
Thanks!
Dear Arko,
Thank you again for your contribution!
It means a little, but doesn't mean "a lot". The little we have, we must protect & preserve.
its not the Tibetan Authority that's a wrong reference sir, it was the Tibetan Government whose representative was there in Shimla - the only 'loocha' in this situation was that Lahsa later sent the copy of the agreement between India British and Tibet to Beijing ...
British India is however not an indepedent state, only the British parliment could ratify the agreement which they refuse to as they recognise Tibet as Chinese territory in order to get favorable trade deal with the new Chinese republic. where is the simla agreement today? it is still in London, unsigned and unratified.
Get a map on a board , if not a screen if it's too expensive and then it would be much better to comprehend.
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@@lotuslotus8207 👍
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india must get over their british masters
"what India sees as its own" ..... gupta ji ..... just "Indian territory" are fewer words and absolute patriotic reporting
saying indian territory doesnt make it true, and true reporting is better than "patriotic reporting"
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This is number one propaganda channel funded by USA's leftists network.
CESS can be proposed to fund for modernisation with better Defence Equipment
Shekhar tried to get 'Sab changa si' from Snehesh twice but didn't succeed so said it himself at the end as 'So far so good'. Shekhar's tone has changed a lot in Modi's third term. Pressure or Pleasure??
All these info about new arrangements are leaked through gvt. However no journalist or independent source is allowed to verify it. Also gvt always shied away from discussing this in parliament.
are bhai satellite maps hai.
Diplomacy is managing relationship in the available situation.
Appreciation for our Diplomats and Military for achieving this much, which very hard to get from Chinese
Siuation still fluid . Not much is clear . Has India given up on Aksai Chin ? Jai Hind !
Your programs Shekhar are too long. Your team is more crisp.
2020 Chinese invasion had roots in 2019 moves by India in Ladakh . Home Minister Amit Shah declared in the Lok Sabha that Aksai Chin was also Indian territory.
"Article 370 gave India only a limited say in the affairs of Jammu and Kashmir , including Ladakh , which suited both China and Pakistan .
China was always a player in the so called Kashmir dispute overtly only between India and Pakistan. China wanted Ladakh to link up with Pakistan and Shaksgam valley . State Govt of Jammu and Kashmir , including Ladakh , was sympathetic to Pakistan ‘s and ultimately to China ‘s interests , especially , in Ladakh. Example Late Sheikh Abdullah refused to allow His Holiness The Dalai Lama and his followers to settle in Ladakh when they took refuge in India . Ladakh was most suitable for Tibetans both from climate and cultural points of views.
India ‘s direct control over both Kashmir and Ladakh has put an end to the China - Pakistani collusion .
Really need to appreciate the Diplomats who worked behind the scenes to bring a settlement as per the saying War are always won on table wherever it takes places and Diplomacy and Military will always go hand in hand. Kudos to the Team in MEA and NSA office, without whom this wouldn’t have happened.
“Look they (China) are a bigger economy. What am I going to do? As a smaller economy, I am going to pick up a fight with bigger economy? It is not a question of being a reactionary; it is a question of common sense.” - EM
The LAC will be settled by tomarrow. Today was tomarrow, tomarrow will become today, and another tomarrow will be there which will become today which is not tomarrow ..... 😅
But irrespective of tomarrow or any number of books, the history, ethnicity, culture, language of the people of Arunachal has no linkage with Aryans or Dravidians. They are of the same stock as the Chinese in Yunnan province.
The argument from the Indian side is mainly from military strategic advantage or disadvantageous positions. Nothing on people, ethnicity, language or culture. Just defense strategic issues. Same argument with the chicken neck situation. Unfortunately these are not sustainable arguments.
Just look at Manipur. 200+ civilians killed, 60,000+ displaced, 17+ months gone, and not a sound from Delhi for resolving the issue. Hardships of the people hardly matters. The NE Region is only for military posturing. The land is desired, but not the people.
Does the Tibetans have similarities with China. The answer is No. Yet Tibet is under China. Same can be said of Xingjian. If looks can be a barometer, China will claim full ASEAN. The Vietnamese won't be too happy. Revise your logic.
@@ajayrawat-bf9pc actually tibetan are genetically chinese, or rather chinese are genertically tibetan. not that i believe in race theory for nationstates but it not the same. China has rule those territory for centuries, whereas India has never rule those area historcially this is why the border look so F up (chicken neck). the area is historically rule by kingdom in bangladesh and tibet, not India. India fixation on becoming "British India" is rather odd. it might make sense to hold on to those territory if bangladesh is part of india, but bangladesh is not...
@@lagrangeweiActually some parts of tibet came under india under sikh rule. Plus Arunachal natives are mostly hindus and buddhists no Chinese religion folk or Confucianism. Just because it came under Qing during brief period does not make it sinosphere like Vietnam Korea Japan. Even China was under Japan would like to go back. Arunachalis are nit interested to go back similarly
India - China must demarcate border to avoid further conflict.
Bro Alex , Why India is Not Using " His Holyness Dalai Lama " to Certify India's Claim of The Mackmohan Line ?
Dalia Lama Still Has a Recognization in the World Espicially in Usa Political Circle
@@lotuslotus8207 Good Option
Dalai lama refused to align Tibet with india. Now he is living as refugee in india. Refugees have no power . Nor did he in international arena. China has made him irrelevant 😢
Good idea. Dalai Lama will tell you South Tibet is part of Tibet.
@@xgguo3531 he will also tell us that Tibet is not a part of China.
Was Amit Shah's claim in our parliament last year to make ASKI CHIN part of India a Jummla? Have we now given up Aski Chin?
It was lost in War. It can only be taken by in War. Question is are you willing to Pay the Price of War? Indian Leadership and Indian Citizens have to decide on the matter.
Nothing is given, Nothing is left. It is matter of opportunity and right time.
@@suvansh29 Ruling party are busy at war with the minority, that's easier and gets them votes.
problem? where was india in world war 2... No such country named india.
@@biggpicture2930More than 2.5 million Indian soldiers served in the British Indian Army during World War II, making it one of the largest Allied forces contingents. They fought in various campaigns across Africa, Europe, and Asia.....well it was Britishers who made us do that while keeping grains ,,food away from us ...we joined army to feed our family
it does not make sense to claim India and China is withdrawing 20km behind their claim line because India is clearly not 20km from where they claim their border is. this is why you have to use very precise language. India withdraw it is 20km from LAC, NOT the claim line. if you look at google earth, China had control of the so call "China claim line" while before the dispute. the claim line is virtually identical to the current LAC. which Modi accepted as part of his diplomacy before his visit to China in chengdu. so China has a very good claim that they are the status quo because of Modi acceptance (which is why he said there is no Chinese troop in Indian territory) as well as their historical control.
India really should just accept the LAC as the border rather then to continue to push for control, because the issue India faces is Despang geographically is not part of India, only a valley connect Despang to India, so if that valley is made unusable, that entire area is cut off from India. so India sensitivity is entire because the geography does not favor India, it rather the LAC not be where it is, but the historical fact is the LAC is where it is. if we do the math, 20km from the LAC, mean the India side will end up on the "China claim line". effectively ending where China wanted it to be. so is there really a point for India to not just accept the LAC as border? because that would actually gave India more control amd buffer than trying to fight over where the line is and force to disengage and ending back at square one.
the narrative in Indian media and what we can see on google earth timeline that show old road just doesn't sell me the idea that India was ever going to be in control of what they are disputing. the geography is stacked against India. it is better to seek a natural border.
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India Should Stick to Makmohan Line Please Also Show Indian Claim Line ( Makmohan Line )
Good One
China already 90% Pocketed
Makmohan was not indian.. cannot use that colonialist’s line
*McMahon line
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Spell it right
SIR HENRY MC MAHON IS A BRITISH INDIA OFFICER WHO DREW THE BORDER LINE
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The China-India border is a complicated matter indeed, if anyone has patience to read the history books about it.
Both sides tell the same story: you took my land.
The reality is that the border was drawn by Great Britain when GB colonzied India and also half colonized China( it took Hongkong from China).
Now China and India have to solve the problems left by GB, which is not easy.
If no agreement, at least be able to keep the peace.
The LAC deal is a small but important step to keep the peace.
as per game theory elements : China stand to gain more from the disengagement announcements as they get time to improve their influence in Nepal, Bhutan and Myanmar; focus on the challenge in their stagnating Economy : simply Beijing make Delhi believe that they are stepping away from confrontation... unlike plains with Pakistan the mountain territory in Himalayas can always be reoccupied by adversary and the status be brought back to confrontation mode ... India missed opportunity to settle the dispute back in 1959 and now none of the nations politicians have capital to settle the dispute - its only a war which can settle it now ...
It's not about politician , it's about power difference between the 2 countries.
An independent Tibet is required as a strategic buffer between between Mainland / Han China .
Stop assuming things .
1. China saw india as inheritor of british empire
2. Tibet was not part of china.
3. China was afraid of indian expansion.
In 1950 s , after China annexed Tibet, China constructed a thousands of kilometers long road through the Indian territory of Aksai Chin.
India came to know of this when Chinese Newspapers carried Reports / Pics of the inauguration by the Chinese of this Chinese road running through India and these Chinese Newspapers reached India.India lost Aksai Chin to China though India continues to show this in its Maps ( probably tp Protect the people responsible for this National Catastrophe. )
After Nehru said in Parliament "Not to Worry as Not a Blade of Grass Grows there , Patriotic M P Mahavir Tyagi pointed to Nehru`s Bald Head and said "Nothing Grows There ----
Any discussions with China and resolutions agreed upon by India shall be by issuing Military Maps of the Zone of Dispute however small. For one thing, don't allow China the market space it is seeking including Indian students who want to obtain Chinese degrees for the price that Universities in Bangladesh offer. The balancing issue is export must equal import as much as possible. Militarily, it should be a no trust situation till Tibet is independent.
Maybe indian students want high quality degree which china can provide but india can't??
That is when China tell you to pound sand.
Credits are also due to the USA 🇺🇸 for the BECA Agreement to provide realtime precision mass targeting data from its considerable space assets 🌌🚀(space-based GMTI/AMTI) to jointly give a fait-accompli to China and re-establish deterrence and détente.
Its an open question whether India has established the double détente with both America and China.
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Mr SG you are very asking and phrasing it as a satisfactory solution… you didn’t question the loss of Col Santosh Babu and other gallant soldiers, you didn’t ask whether Somnath Sharma memorial is with us or with them , how much of territory is lost !!!! Very kid gloves treatment in questioning the government! When will the government make it public and give an explanation in Parliament??? Very poor of you who is considered unbiased!!!!
China has sought to build close ties with countries on India’s periphery, like Bangladesh, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Nepal and the Maldives.
China’s strategy on the continental and maritime fronts has long remained the same. It changes the situation on the ground and seeks to force the other to accept the new reality.
What is fearful thing is economical subjugation which China consider as a part of hybrid warfare. China is expert in hybrid warfare where as it can not be said about India. Only thing a common man can do is expressed his anxiety
Nonsense, they acted out of opportunitism due to covid19. They also wanted to use kashmirs constitutional changes indirectly and claim that constituted as 'changes'. Furthermore, this is part of their long term strategy, they come at their own time, take a swat of land, hold for a while, something they never really wanted, then give it back after a while when they wanted. But if they had got it... then that's more real estate if india was too intimidated to react.
So india being a small power will be happy to get back something they always owned... and the Chinese never wanted.
Indians are happy... to get back their patrolling rights, something they already had... not actual tangible property.... but just patrolling. This is pathetic.
At least india has demonstrated it can push china back. And that these areas are disputed. In future negotiations this pull back can be used as evidence of chinese acknowledgement of indian claims.
I live on NH 5 (Hindustan Tibet Road). Yesterday saw about 50 Army trucks doing back from border + Artery Guns too
A welcome change, a great development for all the families of Armed Forces personal's!! May Bhagwan bless Bharat!!
Find Shekhar Gupta too long winded.
The problem with India is the military capability and ability. The real and serious Indian army modernization started about less than two decades ago. The China air, navy and ground forces are well ahead of the Indian military and PM Modi knows that reality well. He knows that this is not a right time to challenge the China. So his main goal goal is to avoid the direct military confrontation for some time and continue work with the Indian army and improve the India economy first. Unnecessary creating confrontation will hurt India more. Many time Indian medias are spreading wrong information to excite the Indian population who are not ready to pay the honest taxes or even not ready to serve in Indian army but love to fill good mentally which is more dangerous. War needs money and in war people die, so do not start war until the nation citizens are ready to sacrifice wealth and lives!!!!
Rewind back, and India should not recognise TIBET as a Chinese territory.
Tibet is a separate culture and independent country more related to India and NOT CHINA.
India, being very inconsistent in this issue, is India's flaws😮😢
14:52 SG always willing to believe narratives that put India in the wrong light. Such a great citizen of India 👏🏾
Why shouldn't Shekhar promote Aravind by wearing Aravind's suit boot 😅😊? Instead of kurta pyjama 😊
India-China deal
Since Tang Dynasty, Tibet have long intermingled the Han Chinese through trade, cultural exchange and even war. The Tibetan plateau merges with China lowlands, like Sichuan, Qinghai and Xinjiang whereas the Himalayan mountain ranges separate India and Tibet due to steep mountain incline. No Indian has went up to live and always remained in fertile plain og Ganges River and northern Indus plain. When the British came and took Hong Kong, Summer Palace Treasure, South Tibet and Ladakh while China were in chaos. These are stolen properties and should be returned to China.
Question is, will India honor it pledges. I doubt that from historical behaviors. Sikkim, NorthEast of Tibet to Khasmir borders. India will make sure China site let the guard down then slowly inch by inch move forward claim the area by expand population into the area.
Gujarat & Paan Regiment should go & protect Bharat
The name of the plateau is Tibet!
Tibet is the colonialist name
1st 20 main 6 point per China ka jor nahi chala, use 20 wali position pay jana para.
2ns 62 main laddakh per kabja aur Arunachal per uska dava !
Kya naye baat keh di aapne ya Phillips ne ?
Wrestling main 100 kg aur 90 kg may koi kash ferk nahi hota !? "
" Dil behlale ko Conversation ka khayal accha hai Galib(SG)!
No one clearly knows what is happening at the China frontier.
As Modi is not allowing any discussion of it in parliament
There are many reports saying india had lost some 3000 sq km land in ladakh in 2020 chinese intrusion
But modi is saying not an inch of land lost and he doesn’t see any chinese soldiers inside india
Recently there was a video of china army harassing indian shepherds near the border but there is no indian army around 🤦🏼
Shekhar I am sorry but you have further cluttered the entire issue. And the reason is you want to be seen as an informed journalist with long tooth per se. You need to stay at the main issue
Boring presentation I must say.. not engaging the audience I must say...
Few people are watching just because of the topic you choose is good one...
I think this anchor should do Hindi show...
Why don’t you explain with map or satellite images, for now there are old photos satellites, pitted surfaces with Chinese bunkers
We expect better questions from you to government!!! Don’t try to only explain the government or Army statements
These hide and seek games won't work anymore unless the economic and military gap is filled, unless indians become as rich as chinese in terms of per capita income.
So long story is it v log
Shekhar Gupta you made too many compromises on your road and many a times you had little knowledge of the domain you spoke or wrote on
Yes you havecwritten brillyantly, admirably, incicively. but tfen compromises, everybody makes their mistakes, no one is perfect, but you bent too much, that's the price you see in your declining viewership
Irrelevance is what hits you when you compromise with the truth
Hope a brilliant journalist like you stands by truth, facts and values once again
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shekhar make Bharat first your narrative . U can criticize BJP but in perspective with Congress rule of 60 years not in absolute narrative. Give historical data also while being critic of today. Bharat is destined to be 3 power under MODI only , never under CONGrESS ( RAGA) . Demand Congress to public MOU with China.
Please do not bring this Snhesh Alex fellow to the show. He is incompetent, incoherent and adds zero value. He has no insights and seems to have no sources that can provide him information. Absolute disgrace to the print!
You a bhakt?
No. He is one of the best. I have been following him since 2020. If not for him, I would have believed Rahul Gandhi's lies.
“Future wars will no longer be about who can mass the most people or field the best jets, ships, and tanks. Instead, they will be dominated by increasingly autonomous weapons systems and powerful algorithms.”
- Mark A. Milley and Eric Schmidt
September/October 2024
Sirji, please use maps and visual aids in your oral talks--as without these references all talk is completely useless.
Tibetan should be independent.Thats the change of stance that Americans should do now
China is alreafy building tower near border
What please explain more
Free Tibet is the only solution!!!
Get to the point quickly
Dragging droning is no fun...
The godi media is blowing the piper as it is Modi's great victory,as said by modiji in 2020 no inch of land is occupied,if it is so,why this disengagement? Thanks to the efforts of Mr.Putin we could reach an agreement in the context of Bricks unity.
All in al thanks to useless Modi, Chinese troops can _inspect_ Indian areas. While India can send troops to areas where they used to freely roam. In no circumstances India can go to disputed areas on Chines side. Bravo Modi!
Chin dwara banye gaye village aur galwan ghati ko chin ne lauta diya kya??😁😁😁😭😭sab jhooth hai😮adani ko leker chin mein dill hua hai😅naa koi ghussa hai naa ghussega😮😮😮
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कीड़े को गटर ही पसंद है।
Woh village jahan pe banaya tha, woh humne 1959 mein hi kho diya tha. Chachaji so rhe the.
Aur Galwan mein withdrawal, bahut pehle hi chuka hai. Abhi Depsang aur Demchok mein patrolling ki baat ho rhi hai.
Very monotonous and boaring style of narrative.... Uncle please learn new age tactics
goof grief... that tacky thing again... moving on
Shekhar Gupta is a leftist, and an intelligent man... must be Schizophrenic 😜😜
Also, he a great antidote for insomnia.
Are you ;losing weight consciously or due to unknown factor, you are only 66 or 67. Please take care.
Tibet is occupied territory of China. China's border is Great Wall of China which they themselves built on their border.They don't have anything to do with Tibet
Can you show things on the map instead. Im not very keen on looking at your face just your voice.
🐕 of U$ - ticket to US Europe tour, some wine , food and funding for unbiased journalism towards $€🤫
why is the print's comment section always filled with right wing nuts lol?
There is no indication that Jay Shankar’s intellect was at work here. It is China’s shrewd intention for India to remain in that position. Please don’t turn this into a political gain for the Modi government.
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Godi uncle doing propaganda for bjp
Let us tell the truth here. While nehru was busy chasing women and disbanding india's World War 2 experienced army men, china leadership was making its position strong in tibet and ladhak. Nehru was smoking and drinking with foreign women while china took away big land from India. Thankfully, Nehru died, but his sick, great grad kid is alive. Fortunately, he was not PM or he would be busy in Bangkok while china took away most of tibet. Thanks to indian army and political leadership, china was stopped.🎉
The Indian army is the worst army among all China's opponents. China's war of resistance against Japan lasted 14 years, the Chinese civil war lasted 4 years, the Korean War lasted 3 years, China's self-defense counterattack against Vietnam lasted 2 months, and China's border war with Vietnam lasted 10 years. India's understanding of "war" is too narrow. We Chinese believe that India has never experienced a real war. In 1962, in the eyes of the Chinese, it was not a war, it was just an armed conflict between China and India. In 1962, the short armed conflict of only 32 days continued India's nightmare for decades. What makes the Chinese feel funny is that a border conflict has turned India into a "Battle for the Defense of the Capital of New Delhi".
@mingmuyiyang8615 you are right. Nehru gave up even before fighting as he was afraid he will be removed by army for being a womanizer so he put his loyalist in command who were more interested in women.
@maysleeps2372 He is not the reason for India's failure... Many people in India are blaming him and think he is the reason for the failure in 1962. This perception is wrong. No matter who leads India, at any time and any place, India will fail facing China. You are not seeing the essence of the problem
@@mingmuyiyang8615live in fool's paradise.
I hope Indians will read it carefully and experience it with their hearts. The huge difference in the founding of China and India is destined to be the biggest difference between India and China. Just look at the modern history of the two countries and you will understand. India was colonized by Britain for more than 200 years. In 1947, Britain experienced World War II, its strength declined greatly, and its status was replaced by the United States. India took the opportunity to gain independence through "non-violent non-cooperation". In other words, India's independence has not experienced the test of blood and fire. Such an independent country has no cohesion and willpower, and no national identity. Now let's talk about China. Since 1840, the Chinese people have been living in dire straits. Various disasters and wars have followed one after another. At that time, China was very poor and backward, and suffered all kinds of humiliation. Including the cession of Hong Kong and Macau, Taiwan became a Japanese colony, the burning of the Old Summer Palace by the Eight-Power Allied Forces, and the subsequent comprehensive and brutal invasion of China by Japan. In 1931, Japan launched a full-scale invasion war against China. From 1931 to 1945, the war lasted for 14 years. The Chinese army and civilians rose up to resist, fought bloody battles for 14 years, and suffered 30 million casualties, but finally won. Do you know why China suffered so many casualties? There are hundreds of reasons. I will only give an example of one phenomenon: when the Chinese troops encountered the Japanese army, it was often the case that if the number of Chinese soldiers participating in the war was 100, the Chinese soldiers only had 20 to 30 guns. The remaining soldiers would not give up resistance or surrender. They used machetes, steel forks, and wooden sticks to bravely fight against the machine guns and cannons in the hands of the Japanese army until they died. This spirit of facing death and never retreating is the Chinese spirit. 30 million casualties! Do you think this can happen in India? For India, it is zero casualties, because India's knees are soft. India will soon give up resistance.
Cut the boldly’s clap trap
Humanity stands with China! ❤🇨🇳