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Dragon capture jar, is an lob rare.
Remove trap is for that.
As far as I have heard when they made the original card game they had no experience with card games. The game was inspired by the manga. I feel like they drew monsters first, then threw numbers on them. Kinda just half effort on design and 1000% mastery of the aesthetics of the game. Yugioh is very unique among card games and I feel like this starting point is why.
I think the intent was more on collecting than playing, kinda like pokemon cards.
For Remove Trap, and other similar oddities from early TCG sets, it's important to remember that the TCG was playing catchup with the OCG and they took what was a steady power creep in the early sets of of the OCG and crammed the begging and end of that creep all in the first couple sets, as an example, Hitotsu-Me Giant was the strongest no tribute monster in the OCG during the game's debut, and it wasn't until a few sets later that Skull Red Bird Came out, as for Remove Trap, that has to do with another oddity with early JP Yugioh, early on spells and traps had to specifically say they destroy themselves after activation, as otherwise it was assume that they stayed on the field and kept applying, that is to say, instead of needing to specify when something was continuous like spells/traps do today, they needed to specify when they weren't.
Actually, there was no tribute rule when the game came out in the OCG, so the strongest non-tribute monster is Dark Magician. And by the time it was introduced it was already outdone by Kanan the Swordsmistress
@@aydonmason6259 I may be misremembering, but, this was a special rule set, that was separate from the Konami rule list.
It was called the Duelist Kingdom rules, as it tried to emulate the anime.
But due to how basic it was, and how it was locked to only a set amount of cards, it didn't last. As only one deck could win.
@@SakuraAvalon Actually it was the other way around, the Battle City style rules were introduced as Expert Rules and were released about 1-2 months after the game was released (I don't remember the specifics). Janjo Zone has videos on the topic if you'd like to check them out, but yeah it's pretty much accepted as fact
Starter decks had ultimate offering and LOB came with Dragon Capture Jar.
I love how bad old yugioh cards are, I really wonder what they were thinking with the fusions in specific - because they are so hard to bring out and are worse than the cards that you just combined.
One of the fusions that really doesn't make sense is Musician King
This was the the best era of yugioh.
@@stevendefeo8424 the good old days
They may have been worse but the point is they were a special summon.
They were an extra body on the field that you weren't really intended to summon using material on the field unless there was something stopping you from using them.
Caring about game balance isn't a bad thing. Not doing so over money is actively the problem for everyone, including them long term.
I think back then Fusions were (mostly) meant a specific upgrade to a specific monster, a plot point in the narrative if you will. Think of Gogeta and Omegamon and obviously Dark Paladin.
Don't get me wrong, I don't how modern Yu-Gi-Oh handles "combining monsters" (except for Link Summoning), but damn I kinda miss those specific Fusion monsters.
The funny thing about LoB, is it's not the actual first set. Rather, it's multiple Japanese sets smashed into one.
Which is even funnier, when you find out that Hitotsume Giant used to be the Gemini Elf of his set in Japan.
@@night.breeze It's honestly feels like Konami was dragging out each release of notable cards. I mean, it took multiple sets, a game and a special event exclusive pack to get all 5 pieces of Exodia.
I remember buying packs of this as a kid. I had the starter deck kaiba already, and I kept hoping to pull something like pot of greed, raigeki, or anything good at all. Heck, even Polymerization, to try to make some of the crappy fusions.
I never did.
Fusion being presented as a core mechanic in the early days that was getting monsters printed every set but Poly being a Super Rare in a single booster was pretty weird.
@@Zetact_ wait wtf, thats as if they introduced us to synchros with only one tuner that is ghost rare or something absurd like that
@@Zetact_ poly was also a common in the Joey deck. I remember having it. And taking all the poly stuff out when I got more cards because it was basically unusable 😂
Funny enough, the first pack I ever opened had Polymerization in it. I had no clue what value any of these cards had though, so I traded it for Soul Exchange and some other holo card from the Starter Decks.
@@ducky36F starter deck Joey didn't come out for over a year after the game's introduction. For the first year, the only Polymerization you could get was in LOB. Which meant that, for the first year, my friends and I basically couldn't use Fusion monsters, since no one had the right card.
Playing the GBA games really puts into perspective the power levels of monsters in hte early sets. _Sacred Cards_ and _Reshef of Destruction_ make you value the incremental improvements you can make to your attacking force and strategy options, whereas _Eternal Duelist Soul_ and other games of that type show you just how quickly you NEED to get some good level 4 beaters, or else suffer.
the stars were just a dumb system. There being no difference between level 1 and 4 for example.
LOB is even weirder when you consider that they released alongside the Yugi and Kaiba starter decks, which had cards like Summoned Skull and La Jinn, which power crept almost all of LOB.
Perhaps it would be interesting to have an LOB format that limited the number of Level 4 monsters you can run - or ban them entirely, so you have to strategise more with the other monsters?
You would have to ban Giant Soldier of Stone as well since it's a level 3, and probably the best monster in the set.
@@Evan_Schaefering Yeah, that would be fine.
They came out slightly apart. The three week LOB-only meta, lol.
The reason why this card have Bad stats is because legend of blue eyes is like the fusion of 7 set of Japan when the first volumen the most powerfull Monster is 1200 atk in the level 4 and dark magician with 2500 was in the first volume the most powerfull monster
I think that a lot of LOB monsters have weird stats because they were imported from the ocg, and in the ocg Yu-Gi-Oh was there before the tcg (as you probably know): so in one set the best monster would have 900 atk, in the next one 1000, and on and on. But the thing is that they were obviously obligated to import those cards, so when they were useless for us, some years prior some of those were a bit more useful, and if we can say that, even a bit "meta".
I just wanted to mention that Twin-Headed Thunder Dragon is a Thunder, not a Dragon.
Now there are tons of reasons why so many of these old cards are bad, but perhaps the most notable one is that they were simply never meant to be good. In some ways card design has changed very little.
It was really weird how cards like Poly, Trap Hole, Raigeki etc were all high rarities, when they were all very essential. Especially Poly, since monsters back then didn’t have built-in contact fusion
Getting strong monsters was an issue too but at least you could get the starter decks and nab a Blue Eyes or two
I love these conversations. I think one way to make use of these old weak vanilla monsters would be some level-based support, like have some cards that require level 2 or level 3 monsters to activate or equip or something. But then again, I love them as they are.
It's so funny that you uploaded this yesterday considering I was literally talking to my friend last night about how weird it was that Aqua, Fish, and Sea Serpent were separate Types and what a disastrous impact that had on playability, to the degree that several cards subsequently grouped them into a super-Type.
I also love that you mention "Giant Soldier of Stone." That was one of my favorite cards back in the day, just because it made such a great wall.
P.S.: I recently drew a super rare LOB "Mystical Elf" from one of those cheapo 25-card repacks, and it kind of made my day. It was the second holo when I was only supposed to get one.
I don't play Yu Gi Oh but is there any reason to not just errata the 3 types into one single thing if future cards ended up lumping them together anyways? Magic ended up doing something like that with Dinosaurs and Dogs. The former would sometimes get typed as lizards or beasts, and the latter would sometimes get typed as beasts or hounds.
@@yoso378 The main reason is probably just that it's not a hard rule: over the past twenty years, several thousand cards have been printed, and while SOME do group the three types together, others still specify Aqua, Fish, or Sea Serpent in particular. A good example is a meta card called "Toadally Awesome," which once-per-turn allows you to negate any one of your opponent's effects by sending an Aqua Monster from your hand or field to the graveyard. Cards as recently the Power of Elements booster pack require Fish Monsters as materials to summon.
So it's dumb, but the reason Konami can't just officially make Aqua, Fish, and Sea Serpent the same Type is that they *didn't* make them the same Type. I hope that's semi-comprehensible to a non-player and not just a bowl of word salad.
@@BretGammons don't worry, it makes perfect sense. Thanks!
Always thought as a kid that Giant Soldier of Stone was "broken" due to the fact it could actually attack aswell and wouldn't automatically lose unlike Mystical Elf etc. Great video.
Fish - Fish. Mermaids count because they're part fish.
Aqua - Creatures made of ice and water, water creatures that are not technically fish such as lobsters, starfish, crabs, sea-men etc.
Sea-Serpents - Water snakes and water dragons.
Some exceptions but thats it for the most part.
Also there was Dragon Capture Jar in the set as a trap Remove Trap can get rid of iirc.
The face up trap card in the LOB set is Dragon Capture Jar
the TCG's early booster packs were made up of 2-3 OCG packs mixed together with some cards left out, so that might be why theres such a wide power gap with normal monsters
At one point cards like Hitosu-me Giant(1200ATK) were the strongest non-tribute summon you could have and each OCG booster power crept that up a little, but TCG started with the power creep
For the high def monsters, Fissure, Two-Pronged Attack and Raigeki. There is always a way. Also SDY and SDK came out at the same time. SDY gives you Change of Heart and Man-Eater Bug. SDK gives you Hane-Hane. Both Starter decks gave you Dark Hole. And the starters also came with the big three beat sticks, BEWD, Dark Magician an Summoned Skull. It was a slower game and if. All you had was a defense you were both waiting for your heavy hitters.
You are certainly a fan of the Yugi-Kaiba format. Old school for the win!
@@Mhdalzein yeah slamming normal monsters without text into each other while activating the same 5 spell/traps over and over again until you lose because your buddy bought kaiba and his BEWD is literally a powercrept version of your DM :D
@@ich3730 try being a Joey deck main with your strongest monster capping out at 2400. :P
Maha Valio + malevolent nuzzler 100% was the real power play 😆
That's why I always ran 3 copies of Man-eater Bug and 2 Hane-Hane :P
There WAS a Continuous Trap in LOB: Dragon Capture Jar.
MTG was like this when you visit cards like Chaos Orb. This is why I appreciate both Yu-Gi-Oh and MTG in their respective themes.
Yes, modern day Yu-Gi-Oh! is different from old school Yu-Gi-Oh! Back then, beatdown, monster with devastating effects, and building up monsters with magic or trap combos
It would be cool to see you guys break down the other sets. This was interesting to watch.
I think that if you wanna understand TCG LOB, you have to look at the OCG in 1999. In Vol. 1, Monsters with 800 ATK had the 6th highest ATK in the game. So even these terrible small monsters had their place in the Meta, even if it was just for a few weeks.
Then in 2002 the TCG had to introduce Yu-Gi-Oh to the West, and they didn't just want to squeeze 3 years of OCG content into their very first set, they wanted a curve that felt natural (and of course some power creep to get people to buy Metal Raiders) so they had no choice but to give us some bad cards.
They could've done a lot worse by the way, just look at a list of the OCG-exclusive cards that were never released in the TCG. Most of them are 650 ATK vanillas from 1999. We should be happy that the first Set we got was 100x better than Vol. 1 :D
When I look at these old monster cards, it reminds me how I used to think that if you had level 2 or lower monsters, you should be able to summon two of them in a turn. I think back then it could have maybe worked, you could set up a defense and tribute potential at the cost of burning through your hand, but modern level 1 or 2 monsters all have a purpose, even normal monsters for synergy purposes, so it would be stupidly broken to do that nowadays, not to mention the relative ease of getting card draws if you build around that.
Dragon Capture originally existed in LOB & Ultimate Offering was in the Starter Decks
Actually, the strongest monster for 1 tribute is Curse of Dragon (2000). It doesn't natively beat over a GSoS though
If I remember correctly, the only reason to buy the booster packs was to get Exodia and possibly some of the 2k defender monsters, since those were the useful ones to stay on the field to get your Summoned Skull or Blues out there. All the effect monsters were only in the Yugi/Kaiba decks. It was worth getting 3 decks to get three man eater bugs.
I clicked out of curiosity and was surprised how many times I thought to myself, "that is weird." Lol
I think the justification for the fusion monsters being so bad is that they had already intended on printing de-fusion.
So the thought of making a half decent fusion monster to clear a big monster on yours board, then defusing during the battle phase to get some damage in seemed a bit too powerful, especially considering you don't even need to have the materials on the field to fuse them. You can fuse from hand.
So they just made sure all the fusions kinda sucked.
The game was designed weird back in the early days.
Games were slow indeed.
Notably the strongest 1-tribute in the set is Curse of Dragon at 2000 ATK. Now it was a Super Rare and so it is easy to not think of it when looking at all the commons & some regular rares. But notably it *still* couldn't get over a 2000 defender without a boost.
And Remove Trap had one target in LOB - Dragon Capture Jar.
Curse of Dragon was in my first Yu-Gi-Oh pack that I ever opened, which also makes it by extension the first hollow that I owned. Pretty hard to forget about it, at least for me ^
I loved everything about this old sets
Dragon Capture Jar, the first ever floodgate card in the TCG.
I feel the first set was more about the art of the monsters to attract people rather than the designed gameplay.
Back in the day I only got blue eyes boosters for raigekki and I was successful however I never got mirror force from metal raiders berry frustrating
Remove trap is specifically for dragon capture jar. In the legend of blue eyes set. That’s the only continuous trap.
Dragon Capture Jar & Ultimate Offering are the only continuous trap cards in the set. Trap master was the flip effect monster version of de-spell for traps. Thanks for the nostalgia of where it all began.
I'm fairly certain Ultimate Offering was only in the starter decks, not in the pack. They came out and nearly the same time, though (although not exactly if I remember right).
The real fun part of being into Yu-Gi-Oh back in the day was UpperDeck making all the good cards in their set Super Rare or above. I remember people throwing away whole packs worth of cards because they were just trying for a Raigeki and didn't need their fifteenth Uraby.
Back then, it was about playing with and establishing your favorite monsters first, then stick with them and upgrade your deck gradually
Like how Yugi did it throughout the first series.
He preached heart of the cards, which translated to respecting your monsters/cards and by extension, many lessons are learned.
Like how winning with your favorite guys is more sweet a victory than just winning with what is obviously the strongest /most effecient options in the whole card pool.
Back then there was enough chance elements still in the game that it worked out.
Curse of dragon has 2000 atk with 5 or 6 stars. Dragon capture jar was a continuous trap released in this set.
Glad you brought up that Two-Headed Dark Ruler thing. It always seemed odd to me as a kid.
Ngl this is such an cool video . Just looking over the sets and checking out all the cards.
I don't watch the anime anymore, but still have a soft spot for yugioh tcg so I been thinking about collecting a master set for LOB and just calling it my last hoorah of yugioh collecting. I most likely won't pay thousands of dollars for blue eyes white dragon or anything but I will replace the original LOB print with a cheaper reprint but with the same artwork.
Starter Decks came first so Skull Red Bird had nothing on La Jinn. Magic (Spell) Ruler was really the set that finally made yugioh fun. Introduced mill, burn, ss recruiters made tributing easier, maha vailo kept tributes in check, good field spells and good equips, crazy cards like Cyber Jar and painful choice. It also gave the good stuff in Metal Raiders a purpose instead of every scenario just being a linear rock paper scissors situation.
@@night.breeze Ratio
Man skull red bird was a big threat during this time.
I wish Yu-Gi-Oh was still like the old days i miss it. I don't like mondern that much. But yes I agree legend of blue eyes can be a bit weird however it's a lot of fun.
@@thotslayer9914 sure. Modern is just too fast and not as fun. There is no Skill if you just do the same thing over and over also Everyone gets mad when you take your time. So modern is not that fun anymore
@@gothicfemboy428 How is the LOB format skillfull? You watched the video.. right? No strategy, just swing with normal monsters for game.
@@TheWoWBane yea but i mean 2005 would be more skillful. But mondern there is no strategy just play and it's too fast and it's not as fun as older Yu-Gi-Oh is my main point
And yet Pot of Greed just so happens to be in this set. Nuts.
Seeing these cards now again I understand why my buddy said that we'd play with the rule that level 2 or lowers can attack LP directly.
Then we got clown zombies. A level 2 with 1350 attach which just beats every level 2 and 3 in this set. Granted it was Tournament Pack 6. But that just shows how far stats progressed
Pot of greed, monster reborn, exodia, blue eyes, dark magician. Set is wack.
In the OCG, there was a period where 4 star 1200 ATK was the beat stick, so less than 1000 ATK monster had a use for a while, but in the TCG we got big monster from the start so all those weak monster never got their time to shine
Dragon Capture Jar was in the set, wasn't it? Like, it was pretty bad, but that's a card. It would be sort of relevant since the highest atk 1 tribute monster is actually Curse of Dragon.
2 mouth dark ruler was made by Konami and Slifer aka Orisis the Sky Dragon was by Kazuki Takahashi.
im not a fan of mana based games. so when i got into the game over 20 years ago, it blew my mind and made me fall in love. its simple for me to follow, but then everything got more complex and i got out. when i got in this last year, everything got so convoluted for me and out of control. I can understand a combo or two here and there, but this game has become nothing but combos. You have to structure your deck around a combo instead of an archetype or a spell and trap list. Its a lot different. Hard to get used to personally. I kind of miss it a lot. People always say it was shit but i really enjoy the older rule sets and card sets. The original and GX era. Im a total yugi boomer at heart.
I am still waiting for them to retrain that Furious Sea King. It has always been my favorite card since my first booster pack.
Makes you wonder why the fish type was created given that every single one of them can be an aqua.
Same goes for Sea Serpent.
Today I would make them subtypes like union. Such as Aqua/Fish. And Aqua/Reptile, Aqua/Reptile/Dinosaur Aqua/Reptile/Dragon. This would require the same format on other types such as Terra/Reptile, Terra/Reptile/Dinosaur and Terra/Reptile/Dragon. In my opinion the only difference between a Dinosaur and a Dragon is the Dragon has Special (Magical) Effects. Get rid of Winged Beast and add the Keyword "Winged". This would mean The more esoteric the monster is the more Spell and Trap cards would be available for it. If it has wings it might be able to fly if it is given the Winged keyword unless the creator deemed the wings to be useless like an Ostriches. But a Dragon with the Flying Keyword would be able to use spell cards that are limited to Winged Beast as it stands now.. Remember this is speculation of how we could arrange things if we had some of the later ideas in the game incorporated into it at the creation of the game. Purely speculative and not intended as a call to change at this point.
Two-Mouth Darkruler, has two mouths, is not Dark. Twin-Headed Thunder Dragon, has one head (apart from in the anime), is not a Dragon (it's a Thunder, apart from in the anime, where it is a Dragon). A match made in heaven.
Hitotsu me giant will always be my favorite card in the game.
I thought twin headed thunder dragon was a thunder lol. I also have a copy of two mouthed dark ruler that's a dragon type 😳
They could eventually revolve new cards with all them random cards like they did skull servant
You do realize that LOB contains cards from different OCG sets ? The first few yugioh sets were basically mega tins.
There is a great series of videos from the youtuber Maniax Channel where he talks about the ocg history of the first yugioh sets.
The highest one Tribute monster was Super Rare Curse of Dragon.
LOB had three trap cards: Trap Hole, Two Pronged Attack and Dragon Capture Jar - so Remove Trap did have one target
Dragon Capture Jar can be destroyed by Remove Trap Paul. Other than Reaper Of The Cards my dude.
Early real life Yu-gi-oh was actually more of a collector's item for those who played the early Game Boy games, I guess.
The 'recolored' versions of many monsters, like in the case of Twin-Headed Thunder Dragon and the other one, is really just that, to create more monsters in a lazy way... Just like many recolored Digimon.
So many weak Fusions because in those games, like in Forbidden Memories, fusion was just slapping a monster on top of another and something could happen... but the real TCG decided to make Fusion like the manga/anime with Polymerization etc., and gave specific monsters instead of generic ones. I wish they could be at least generic.
Fish, Sea Serpent etc. are maybe remnants of the weird classifications that they had for monsters, used for these generic fusions... You had also "female", "jars", "rainbow" (only 7 Colored Fish and Rainbow Vase, I think), "winged", "egg"... but these were not revealed in the game, the intention was of course for the players to find new fusions and combinations by themselves.
dragon capture jar
From my understanding, LoB is so messy because it actually was a collection of cards from multiple OCG sets and with the focus on vanilla monsters the power creep scale of the game means that the scale was off. It'd be like if we got packs that included three sets of Deck Build Packs as a core booster.
Type/Attribute was originally the intended "archetypes" of the game, just that Konami didn't really understand any part of the card game design. The intent clearly was to have people run stuff like "a Warrior Deck" where they would put cards like Sogen or Legendary Sword and that the synergy that their cards had with each other would compensate for their lower base stats. Obviously this did not work since the majority of decks in the game up to like Gladiator's Assault were all just piles. In Rush Duel, they actually have went back to this scale, where cards don't reference actual archetype names but instead "archetypes" are determined by things like their Type, Attribute, statline or level. Oh, Rush Duel also generally does a better job of managing statlines, and weaker monsters actually are likely to see play because they work better in their archetype.
Ahhh nostalgia
LoB had dragon capture jar for remove trap. That was it hhaa
Early yugioh had a whole bunch of cards that I would call "player 2 colored" like Wretched Ghost of the Attic/Kuriboh, and Skull Servent/The Wandering Doomed.
I suspect this might be Konami's doing as a video game publisher? The pallete swaps being easier to make 3d models for in the video games. But I could be pulling this theory put of my ass.
LOB is my favorite pack and era of playing yugioh!! I’m ready for the rerelease
I love videos like this
Was dragon capture jar out be then?
I always felt that the terrible fusions from the old days were just a way to get that second summon by giving up so much card advantage you got that second monster without giving up a normal summon. It would then be tributed summon i guess. Because what other ways gave you a special summon? The old also terrible rituals, the monster reborn and i guess the stealing cards like change of heart.
Actually the retrain is a dragon only in the anime, in the tcg i s a thunder
Yeah. In fact, all of the thunder dragons are thunder type.
There needs to be more videos with Christian
Its like they wanted to have a purpose to 2 or 3 star cards but forgot. At least some 1 stars attack directly
You guys don't see how powerful drooling lizard is! Around this time, the best trap was trap hole which destroys monsters with 1000 atk or more. So you would summon him in attack positions, bypassing any trap holes, then buff him up with equip spells and fields spells. You get a 1200-1500 atk monster through trap holes!
Jk drooling lizard sucks. Lol
I like y’all talkin like this in a video. Make it longer and make a vid for each set in order
well back in the day you would start with one of the two starter decks and supplement them with LOB....doesn't mean LOB wasn't weird though
You guys went to LSU??
That's what makes lob so much fun is because you as a player have to come up with the theme/strategy it's not pre-made for you. Which is so boring about modern Yu-Gi-Oh
What if Konami took all of those original vanillas and made each one it own little two card packages to
1. Summon/add the monster to hand
2. Uses the monsters as materials summons/effect cost.
These could be low rarity cards so they can be pack filler.
This is like, the epitome of an anime set :P
Thunder dragon lmao
Kaiba summon twin headed thunder dragon in the anime and the monster actually had two heads vs the artwork on the card with only one head 🤦♂️
Wow it's almost like the was designed poorly back then, despite the yugi boomers's affective memory of it
GOD I want to sniff those cards
Whoooooo!
I wonder if there were even older sets only in japan. Like in the old yugioh game boy advance games.
LOB was all of those older sets.
Back when the game was beatiful
The Season Zero cards were just a random mess too.
🤔
In Konami's defense. Starfish aren't fish.
Not to be a Yugi Boomer or anything but at least this era, for how bad it is, it allowed for some level of interaction. I feel that if BS like hand looping or even stuff like Magical Scientist would have been designed a little more balanced, this should have been the speed of the game. Synchros were appropriate because they took effort, there weren't level 4 tuners to easily turbo out stuff, you had to neg for powerful effects. Xyz on the other hand got progressively better, and was at a good speed relatively, again there have always been formats like Dragon Ruler/Spellbooks that only two decks are at the top, but stuff wasn't powercrept within a set of coming out, which is the problem with these newer sets which serve to instantly be more powerful than the last one. And I'm not saying let's go back to GX where most sets were unplayable, I'm saying LOB for as many unplayable cards as they are, it was a good stepping stone
2:07, HE'S TOO YUKE TO BE WEASED
They didn't know what they were doing. Magic was like that too.
1:35 erm, starfish are not fish. Not even in real life xD