Who cares what caliber it is! It's an old-school type of firearm and fun to shoot! None of my B.P. firearms are authentic or original or collectibles, but all are fun to shoot! I have about 20 to 25 B.P. firearms. All I shoot and work on myself! I have many modern firearms also and work on them also! After suffering four strokes, which stopped me from working my job and not being able to do much of anything for myself, my doctor asked me what was the most enjoyable thing I liked to do before my strokes! I told him, " Target Shooting, reloading my own ammo and working on my own firearms. " He said he wanted me to start doing some of those things to see if that helps me. He suggested I do it with a friend if I could to make sure I was safe as I did some of those things! I had full use of my right side arm and leg but not my left side arm and leg and left side of my vision. Competition shooting was out due to the fact I couldn't see anything at all to my left side which to me was dangerous for other competitors around me. Reloading was out and working on my firearms was out too because of little use of my left arm. I was sent to see a physical therapist about seeing if he could help with my arm and leg problems. He checked me out and gave me some tests and said he thought he could help me. Well after several weeks of doing several exercises at his office and at home I got back most of the use of my left side arm and leg. I started to collect some B.P. FIREARMS to practice shooting and working on. That did it for me. In no time I had collected about 9 or 10 B.P. guns. Every day working on them, day and night, taking them apart, seeing how they worked, removing burrs and machine marks etc. On all of them. Now I'm able to shoot them and do when ever I can. To me it's not only fun and enjoyable but also very therapeutic! Videos like yours on shooting B.P. firearms keeps me going! Keep it up sir!
Thank you! Your story is the most heartwarming story of dedication I’ve heard in a long time. I’m really happy you’ve found BP. I share your passion to them and working on them and it is my main way of staying centered and good. I respect your effort and congratulate you! Stay in touch anytime! Keep shootin and so will I. If I’m shooting im recording. Sharing that passion is my goal. Thanks again
Here is the deal. I have personally owned 4 or 5 black powder revolvers, all of them open top colt replicas, all of them by Pietta and all but one in .44 Caliber. That one is an 1851 Confederate Navy .36 caliber brass frame, which is also not historically accurate as I understand. My first black powder revolver was actually an 1851 confederate Navy .44 caliber kit gun. I never blued it, as I liked the silver finish which was because it caused people to think it was either nickel finished or stainless steel. And I have had 2 1860 Army .44 caliber. What got me hooked on black powder gun’s was actually an old Kentucky long rifle .45 made by CVA, which was my first black powder gun. Still have the .440 round ball Lee mold for that black powder rifle. I do not care if it’s historically accurate or not, long as it’s black powder and fully functional I’ll enjoy shooting it.
I'm 77 years old now, and my first hand gun was a 1851 Colt 36 cal. That I believe was about in 1969. I loved shooting that pistol and shot it a lot! Since then, I've owned and shot at least 150 or more handguns in every caliber made. Got into handloading my own ammo for every hand gun and rifle and shotgun I owned. I shot in every type of competitions and collected guns of the two world wars etc. Owned and shot several automatic weapons also. But during all those years I've, at one time or another, gone back to my Black Powder firearms shooting for small periods of time. I've built several Black Powder rifles and pistols. Now!, for the past five or six years, have only worked on and shot my Black Powder Firearms for fun and what you might call therapy! I've found that I love collecting and shooting Black Powder firearms! To me, Black Powder and Black Powder Firearms are not 2nd rated firearms or powder! I even load black powder in my 44-40 and 45 colt handgun and rifle cartridges, and my 45-70 cartridges. Yes, I've got historically correct Black Powder revolvers and rifles, and not so historically correct guns! It doesn't matter to me what it is, I love shooting it. I like working on and fixing these Smoke Polls as much as shooting them! I've even got into making my own paper cartridges for all the handguns! I do believe!..If your getting old like me and you like shooting or hunting, getting into Black Powder shooting of these great old pistols and rifles is very therapeutic and fun, not to mention the lower cost to get into it! The 1851 Navy .36 cal. Colt pistol is, in my opinion, is a good start! But whach out!, this can be very addictive! You might find yourself collecting and shooting these old Smoke Polls! They are fun to shoot and not as costly as modern firearms. I ALWAYS RECOMMEND GETTING and reading through LYMAN'S BLACK POWDER HANDBOOK AND LOADING MANUAL ( 1st or 2nd editions ( either one) and really read it! There is a real wealth of info and loading data in them! On the internet you'll find a lot of info from people like the " Old Ranger ", " Blackie Thomas ", Guns Of The West", " Lame Beaver" ( one of my favorite!), and so many more!..all great info on Black Powder Firearms shooting, cleaning, repairing, history etc!! ..AND I MEAN GOOD INFO!!!...Have fun and enjoy!!!
At the end of your video I noticed you have a Grand Rapids, MI hoodie on. I’m a Ludington, MI native currently living in Las Vegas, NV! I just picked up a 1851 Navy in .44 caliber and the first thing I said was “ it isn’t historically accurate “! LMAO! This is my first black powder gun and I’m just trying to learn the ropes, so I gotta say thank you! It really is a small world!
@scooterc6412 hi! Yes I’m between Grand Rapids and Kalamazoo out in the sticks! Welcome to our BP world! It’s a lot of fun indeed. All my luck to you and stay in touch if you need anything. Ludington is beautiful country. Vegas has better weather!
@@CapBallFanatic-gb3jb Yeah, the weather here is pretty good, but there ain’t no place like home! I enjoyed your video and now I’m itching to get all the accessories to go with the gun! Thanks again, buddy!
You are in the same camp as Duelist 1954. For myself my first Cap and Ball was an EMF Mason Dixon commemorative revolver in .36 caliber, it only cost $37.00 and some shipping. At that time was very little knowledge about cap and ball the first time I shot it it was with 2F powder and Crisco and No. 11 percussion caps. I was told that I probably wouldn't be able to hit a barn from inside. Well it went boom, and I hit a barrel 3 times out of 5 at 10 steps and I was hooked! Since then I have shot cap and ball in Cowboy Action shooting, just for fun and to try other things I had heard other people do. When they go boom I still get that same feeling!
Boy I understand being hooked. There’s nothing like touching every load and smelling the powder and hearing the bang and knowing that we can approximate what our ancestors did and felt! Thanks for your story! I love hearing how folks get involved on this cap and ball journey.
Thank you! It’s a real nice revolver. Welcome to the hobby. It’s a lot of fun! Remember, black powder is a hobby of patience! If you have any questions just holler!
I've just discovered your channel and subscribed. You do a great job with the video,editing, and shooting. I no longer have a shooting range on my property, as large houses have sprung up in my line of fire over the past 2 years. When I do get to shoot, I shoot a E N Santa Barbara 1858 (Spain) that I bought 50 years ago. And, a Centaur Centennial 1960 (1860) made in Belgium around 50 years ago. Thanks, and keep the videos coming.
Hi Phil and thanks for subscribing! I’m having fun with the videos. I love shooting so might as well record them. I’m trying to get better with each one. You’ve got some classic revolvers there! Keep on shooting. I’m lucky to have this acreage here for my range! Thanks again. There’ll be more coming soon.
I have the same pistol in .36 cal. I love this gun. Great video and I agree with you about historical accuracy. It's not important, fun is. P.S. I use lambs tallow mixed with bee's wax for lube and it works awesome especially for good accuracy.
I just bought this weapon. I haven't shot it yet, new to black powder. so watching alot of videos to learn all I can before hand alot of great practical information definitely subscribed! thank you
The ruger old army isnt historically accurate either but you dont ever hear that about the gun.btw,i have the 51 in 44.reason is,i wanted a 51,and if i could get it in44,even better!
I’m not ashamed of mine! I bought it KNOWING the 1851 was .36 caliber! We’re Americans! Sometimes we change things (stop typing, I know Pietta and Uberti are ITALIAN manufacturers) to improve something we already like! Good video J!
I’m glad to hear it! These emerging evidence that there may have been some of these back then too. Who’s to say since none of us were there! Thanks my friend
@CapBallFanatic-gb3jb Yes! But only if you're loading and shooting as fast as you can for long periods of time and that they are full size hand guns. I have found the Uberti's hand grips to be more historical in shape then Pietta's which has what some call a tail on them which tends to force the barrel to rise higher by putting more pressure on the lower polm of your hand. I don't have a problem with either due to the fact I don't load and shoot as fast as I can especially for long periods of time. Also I switch guns often during a long day of shooting. Like shooting a 7 1/2 inch barreled revolver and then a revolver with a 4 or 4 1/2 inch barrel or a smaller caliber! Doing it that way I've shot, many times, over a hundred rounds of Cap & Ball pistol rounds with no hand or arm fatigue at all. ( .36 or .44 caliber) ...( NOT WITH MY WALKERS OR DRAGOONS )! Take a .36 cal. 1851 Colt copy w/ a 7 1/2 inch barrel feels more heavier then a 44 cal. 4 1/2 barreled 1851 Colt copy! Even with full house loads! But usually, between useing three or four B/P hand guns in a single day of shooting, I usually find out I only shot about 50 or so rounds for the whole day. And that is in one day maybe every couple of weeks or so! What I'm trying to say is if your shooting B/P pistols and have hurting hands or arms afterwards you might need to find out why!... to much shooting all in one day, litter loads, standing or sitting!?.. Like I found out I could fire my B/P 1885 Browning 45/70 W/ 580 gr. Bullets from the standing position all day with no problems but sitting behind a bench it beat the living heck out of me even just shooting half the number of rds. What I'm trying to say is that if you got a problem there's a good reason why! Find out what it is and find out what you need to do to correct it! I had a friend that lost his little finger and the one next to it on his shooting hand. He said he couldn't shoot his single action pistols any more. He tried using his left hand but had problems with speed and accuracy with useing his left hand. After a couple years he gave up! I asked him if he had tried going back to useing his right hand. He said he couldn't grip the pistol enough to use just his thumb and fire it without it twisting out of his hand. I closely watch his draw and firing his pistol and noticed that his pistol twisted in his hand when drawing and cocking the hammer and then haveing to use his left hand to reposition the gun in his right hand before firing. Because of this this his draw was slow and first shot was slow and not very accurate. After forcing him to do exercises to strength the grip of his middle finger and finding a good pistol grip maker that made a set of grips that forced his middle finger grip lower down the grip, his grip strengthening of his middle finger and being locked in the same place every time his speed and accuracy came back to the point he thinks is faster and more accurate as before his accident. He would of given up two years earlier and not shooting right handed with handguns. But having someone push him and help him to figure out what was the problems and a way to fix it he probably be handicapped in his chosen sport! NEVER GIVE UP ON ANYTHING YOU WANT TO DO! MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS AND WAYS NECESSARY TO ACHIEVE YOUR GOALS!!
I received the same one a few days ago in navy yank 44 steel everything was already working well I deburred, filed, sanded each piece and reassembled everything no hang, works flawlessly (it even looks used mtn) here there is a shortage for recharging you have to make everything yourself, caps, powder and bullets
I own a pietta 1851 in .44. Don’t care that it’s “not historically accurate” and don’t care about what other’s opinion is. It was cheap, it fires almost every time (especially with slix shot nipples) and it puts a smile on my face every day at the range.
Awesome video! I have always been a cowpoke and have used and owned countless firearms of different makes and models but tend to stray towards revolvers, I’ve had my eye on the pietta 1851 for many years but never committed to getting one, after this video I believe I’ll buy one and try my hand at cap and ball, many thanks!
I don't know if anyone mentioned it in the comments, but if it really bothered someone couldn't they just look at it as if the Colt prototypes (there were at least two as I recall) escaped the factory and they managed to nab it? or perhaps they had Colt custom build them one...or they started with a .36 Colt and had the local gunsmith/blacksmith beef it up? best thing is to not care what anyone else thinks period. I started collecting and shooting these 3.5 decades ago and have owned well over 50 or so and today still own over a dozen cap and ball revolvers and I have always said when it comes to the Colt pattern my FAVORITE is the 1851 in 44 cal. I don't like the twist rate and wish there were more options, but still it is my favorite. I have sold off many, but still own a 4 7/8", 7", and 12" barreled versions of this frame in .44 and will always choose these over my 1860 if I could only take one. I shoot what I like and not what someone else likes, but I have been just as guilty of "arguing" about these topics with others many times in the past. I have the Remington pattern in all the barrel lengths and frame finishes offered as well and no one hardly ever says anything about them not existing in that configuration , finish, etc. so it must just be a Colt fanboy thing? ... well I no longer have the 18" carbine (yes I know it actually did exist) as I did not enjoy learning to flinch...even converted it to 45 Colt and still burned my face and beard!...hated that one!
I couldn’t agree with you more obviously. As you, if I had 1 choice of 44 cal to put my life on I’d take the 51 navy in 44 I used in the video. I just love it. Thank you for saying what I tried to say…who cares what anybody thinks! In fact, I wouldn’t doubt that a 44 with navy frame did show up somewhere. Thanks. Ps: I have the Remington revolving carbine and it’s not my fav cause of the face blow back…it’s fun, but my face is a little too close to fire lol. I did a vid on it and only fire it once in a great while! Generally when a friend wants to see it shoot.
@@CapBallFanatic-gb3jb The carbine is an attention getter for sure, but let someone fire it as their first cap and ball experience and you've just lost a cap and baller for certain as they'll probably never want to try another one. I had hoped converting it to cartridges would help, but it didn't. I'm subscribing to your channel now and interested in following along on your future cap and ball adventures.
Love the gun, love the fun. I have a new to me Navy Arms REB 1860 Mfg. 1975 it is a copy of the griswold & gunnison. I love blackpowder revolvers and i encourage anyone to get one get out and have fun. I love civil war era arms and if you shot one you would too.
My first cap and ball was a Pietra 1858 bison revolver. I know the 12 inch barrel and brass frame isn't historically accurate but she is a beauty and gives me goosebumps just like the first time I saw her.
Love this video and I wasn't certain on buying this gun but after watching this video I'm certainly ordering it, I'm sure I'll love it as much as you do
I love the 1851 navy models, I’m currently building up a copy of Tuco the rats revolver from the good, the bad and the ugly. That one had a rebated cylinder, lanyard loop, no ejector rod and was cartridge converted. The rats gun has a changing barrel throughout the movie hex in some scenes and hex 1/2 round in others.
I’m not sure Uberti makes them but I’ve had much better luck with quality lately with Pietta. My new Ubertis have all had out of the box issues lately. Good luck with your 36
I have a couple of these, among many others. I don't care about them being "historically inaccurate." They're fun to shoot and I'm not doing a re-enactment or anything. Nobody cares.
I 100% agree on your choice. I started with 1858 remington then 1860 colt. At that point wanted to keep everything in same caliber to simplify my accessories. The 1861 in 44 might not be historical correct but it is now my favorite BP pistol. I now have 17 BP pistols pistols.
I have a Pietta 1851 brass frame 44. I like it. It was gave to me at a police supply shop it was a confiscated gun. I also have a 1858 remington 36 which is spot on.
yeah it was loaded and they knew I use civil war guns alot. Ihey said noone will buy this so take it. It is in near new condition.@@CapBallFanatic-gb3jb
I don’t think you can do better than a Colt 1851 navy in 36 cal made by pietta or uberti. Easy to shoot and a great revolver to start with. Since you are a history buff this was used during the war.
OK, I am 78 years old, and the only C & B I own is ... wait for it ... a Pietta .44 calibur I bought online for about $175. I did not know, and would not have cared, if it was "accurate" one way or the other. I will soon purchase a strap back of some kind as I really prefer the ability to swap out loaded cylinders. I think sometimes that folks who are interested in the use of firearms of any kind exhibit a bit of - oh how can I say this - over-identification with the product. I just like to shoot and enjoy the entire process. By the way, if you get a moment, I do have a question, and perhaps others might also have this interest: my pistol has a brass frame, like the weapon you show in this video. I saw some pellets made where you could just drop one of these in each cylinder versus the conventional method of power measurement. You drop one of these in the cylinder, add your wad and lead, and ram home as usual. I have not had the opportunity to shoot these yet, but hope to soon - during the holidays. My question/concern is I have read a few very brief comments that touched on a problem with the use of this kind of power load in a brass frame gun. Do you have any response to this? Please use my email associated with this comment. Thank you for your video and look forward to viewing many more.
Hey David...sorry for my delay. So I have never really used the pellets that are sold made from the black powder substitutes...like pyrodex and triple 7....What I know is that its best to load down for brass frames from a load for steel frames. Also, triple 7 is hotter and provides more energy per grain, as does pyrodex...but not like triple 7. So, I personally wouldnt use them cause Ive never seen them in less than 30 grain pellets and, while that may be good in a steel frame 44...that would be about 8 grains to much (in my view) in a brass frame 44. I shoot (either BP or pyrodex)..14-18 grains in 36 caliber brass frames and 18-22 grains in brass frame 44's. That just me but this goes generally with the manufacturers recommendations. hope this helps Thanks for your support. Ive got more videos coming if the weather gives me a break here in Michigan
i got a gun from my father inlaw he told me it was a navy 36 pietta with 5 lbs of black for 100 bucks i looked it up and it had navy arms co. made in Italy with the letters G/U under it serial number 538 on it found it was made in 1958 the first year of navy arms and ubirti made gun and the gun is in very good condition they claim it is worth up to 2500 i say in it condition about 2000 the blueing is a little worn but it covers the whole gun no bare spots. it was a very well made gun i can't slid a 1/1000 fueler gauge between the barrel and cylinder but it don't hit or drag it is perfect no blow by i did the tissue test and nothing on the tissue or holes. i have never seen a revolver that tight and i have a lot of revolvers . then i have seen people say if u can only slid a piece of paper it is good not one of my colts u can slid a piece of paper through that spot most are 1/1000 space. at least that is what it should be
"If it ain't fun...we ain't doing it"! That pretty much sums it up. Shoot what you like. And if it isn't 'historically correct'....then the nit pickers can take it up with someone who might care. Would likely make a great cartridge conversion revolver, too.
The one your shooting is the same as my first one, I sure do love it, they really are a fun little gun . only thing i really don't like so much is the cleanup, but that isn't that terrible once you learn the way to do it.
One of my black powders is an 1851 44 cal. I prefer the caliber over 36 and don't care if it's historically accurate. It's not an original colt, so what does it matter. You have the look and feel of the original. You get to load it as the original was, just with a more fun caliber.
I am not a big fan of Pyrodex. For a substitute try Hodgdon 777 lots of smoke and very easy to clean. I started out with DuPont Gunpowder and an original Colt 1851 and corrosive caps. That was a long time ago and I have burned a lot of Gunpowder since then. You have good stuff for people starting the game or old hands. At 93 I am still shooting and learning. Where did you get that nifty plastic powder measure anyway?
How great…my goal is to be shooting and learning at 93 too…good on you! I believe I got it on Amazon. I love it. Midway had them too at one time. I haven’t tried 777 but I’m going to. Thanks my friend! Keep burning powder!!!
i know the 51 navy frame in 44 isnt historically correct but damnt i sure do like the fact that is available in .44 now and the fact that they didnt really change much when they made it in .44 it looks the part to the casual observer only the its got to be historically accurate crowd is crying about it to be completely honest none of the reproductions are absolutely historically accurate they use modern steels rought iron like the original colts of the era not many of the reproductions even bother to nickel plate the trigger guards like the originals the original colts had many minor changes over the years like the size and shape of the opening for the finger openimg in the trigger guard in closimg this comment ill say that the modern reproductions take all the best elements of the gun theyre reproducimg and build a completely new gun this isnt necessarily bad but it isnt historically correct that being said i cant find fault with anyone for owning and shooting a 51 navy in .44 nor can i find fault with a company producing a gun in caliber that isnt historically correct the people must want a 51 navy in .44 cause people do buy them and they do shoot them and they look like theyre having a blast doing it lastly ill say im jealous of all yall out there havimg such a good time with your 51 navys cause i dont have one yet
It is so funny to me when people talk about historical, you go to any museums and look and the firearms they used way back when... They operated and look so much different then the modern replicas, brass or steel framed.
@theidahoan9826 yea. All we can do is approximate history…materials different, conditions different and we get to put it away and go have dinner. It’s fun to try…and I’ll keep imagining all knowing I’m guessing and can never experience it.
Very true, still really fun tho. Had to get conversion cylinders for all mine tho, only way I can shoot'em anymore with caps bein impossible to find... I do miss the black powder smoke in my face tho ;)
I Agree! It's not historically accurate BUT --- it's a lot of fun even so. I like the look of both the Navy and the Army -- what's better than a Navy in .44?
I just got a divorce and my wife took my 44 army pieta barrel out of hate because she now's how I love my pieta 44 cal Colt army 1860 I am willing to trade a 54cal tradition model that has only been shoot about 10 times I'm willing to trade that 54 for any pieta 44 army brass or steel frame 😢 Am desperate she took away my only fun from my life please help me if you can really need My 44 for my sanity
Actually it won’t. It will not go down the barrel first. On the powder it leaves the lube on the charge so it breaks up fouling. People that like it in front add lube to the chamber mouths. I don’t like it cause it’s a mess
I agree with you on that point. I think I’ve seen pictures of it. Had a round barrel if I’m thinking of the right photo. Thanks! I’m surprised they never made an 1860 army with navy grip frame. That’s essentially what it is!
@@CapBallFanatic-gb3jb the picture ive seen actually had the same barrel. They lengthened the grip frame and stepped the cylinder for 44... The second one they trimmed some of the barrel. There was like 4 or 5 iterations before they got to the 1860. Kinda cool really. Colt even flirted around with a pepper box prototype that never went anywhere in the 1850s Edit for what its worth ive had decent groups with Eras Gone Kerrs in my 44 piettas. Might be worth a look. Brittish projectile. Mark Hubbs has lee producing the molds for him
The real reason, it is not spoken about they won't admit it existed. Colt made 4 1851 .44 Navy's due to the Civil War they stayed with .36 machines were set up, and money was to be made. The Smithsonian has the only known survivor
It won’t come out or move? If that’s so use a clothes pin or a brass pouch of some kind (I use a flint Knapping hammer) to knock it loose with a plastic or rubber hammer.
These are about as modern as they get I’m afraid…in cap and ball. You can get modern revolvers that shoot modern ammo but not cap and ball. The ruger old army was probably the modern cap and ball but it’s not made anymore.
Hi! No adjustable sights on these cap and ball colt replicas. I think those are a later invention. The rear sight is a notch in the hammer and the front site is a little bead. That’s about it. Thanks!
@CapBallFanatic-gb3jb Figures they would make it historically accurate on the real amenities.... I'll get one and mount a red dot on it just for shits and giggles..
I wonder if you showed up in the 1860's with a case of brand spanking new navy revolvers in say Richmond, VA.and started handing them out telling recruits they are .44 caliber navy revolvers. Do you suppose they would have turned them down because they are historically inaccurate? I think not.
Isn't the only difference historically with this gun the fact that it was a 36 caliber at least that's what I've heard a lot of people saying which so what if that's the case so what it's an older gun design with a bigger caliber
Reenactors get weird about it , few others do . Shoot what you damn well want !
Amen. I call them the history police
Who cares what caliber it is! It's an old-school type of firearm and fun to shoot! None of my B.P. firearms are authentic or original or collectibles, but all are fun to shoot! I have about 20 to 25 B.P. firearms. All I shoot and work on myself! I have many modern firearms also and work on them also! After suffering four strokes, which stopped me from working my job and not being able to do much of anything for myself, my doctor asked me what was the most enjoyable thing I liked to do before my strokes! I told him, " Target Shooting, reloading my own ammo and working on my own firearms. " He said he wanted me to start doing some of those things to see if that helps me. He suggested I do it with a friend if I could to make sure I was safe as I did some of those things! I had full use of my right side arm and leg but not my left side arm and leg and left side of my vision. Competition shooting was out due to the fact I couldn't see anything at all to my left side which to me was dangerous for other competitors around me. Reloading was out and working on my firearms was out too because of little use of my left arm. I was sent to see a physical therapist about seeing if he could help with my arm and leg problems. He checked me out and gave me some tests and said he thought he could help me. Well after several weeks of doing several exercises at his office and at home I got back most of the use of my left side arm and leg. I started to collect some B.P. FIREARMS to practice shooting and working on. That did it for me. In no time I had collected about 9 or 10 B.P. guns. Every day working on them, day and night, taking them apart, seeing how they worked, removing burrs and machine marks etc. On all of them. Now I'm able to shoot them and do when ever I can. To me it's not only fun and enjoyable but also very therapeutic! Videos like yours on shooting B.P. firearms keeps me going! Keep it up sir!
Thank you! Your story is the most heartwarming story of dedication I’ve heard in a long time. I’m really happy you’ve found BP. I share your passion to them and working on them and it is my main way of staying centered and good. I respect your effort and congratulate you! Stay in touch anytime! Keep shootin and so will I. If I’m shooting im recording. Sharing that passion is my goal. Thanks again
Here is the deal. I have personally owned 4 or 5 black powder revolvers, all of them open top colt replicas, all of them by Pietta and all but one in .44 Caliber. That one is an 1851 Confederate Navy .36 caliber brass frame, which is also not historically accurate as I understand. My first black powder revolver was actually an 1851 confederate Navy .44 caliber kit gun. I never blued it, as I liked the silver finish which was because it caused people to think it was either nickel finished or stainless steel. And I have had 2 1860 Army .44 caliber. What got me hooked on black powder gun’s was actually an old Kentucky long rifle .45 made by CVA, which was my first black powder gun. Still have the .440 round ball Lee mold for that black powder rifle. I do not care if it’s historically accurate or not, long as it’s black powder and fully functional I’ll enjoy shooting it.
Bravo! I couldn’t agree more!
I'm 77 years old now, and my first hand gun was a 1851 Colt 36 cal. That I believe was about in 1969. I loved shooting that pistol and shot it a lot! Since then, I've owned and shot at least 150 or more handguns in every caliber made. Got into handloading my own ammo for every hand gun and rifle and shotgun I owned. I shot in every type of competitions and collected guns of the two world wars etc. Owned and shot several automatic weapons also. But during all those years I've, at one time or another, gone back to my Black Powder firearms shooting for small periods of time. I've built several Black Powder rifles and pistols. Now!, for the past five or six years, have only worked on and shot my Black Powder Firearms for fun and what you might call therapy! I've found that I love collecting and shooting Black Powder firearms! To me, Black Powder and Black Powder Firearms are not 2nd rated firearms or powder! I even load black powder in my 44-40 and 45 colt handgun and rifle cartridges, and my 45-70 cartridges. Yes, I've got historically correct Black Powder revolvers and rifles, and not so historically correct guns! It doesn't matter to me what it is, I love shooting it. I like working on and fixing these Smoke Polls as much as shooting them! I've even got into making my own paper cartridges for all the handguns! I do believe!..If your getting old like me and you like shooting or hunting, getting into Black Powder shooting of these great old pistols and rifles is very therapeutic and fun, not to mention the lower cost to get into it! The 1851 Navy .36 cal. Colt pistol is, in my opinion, is a good start! But whach out!, this can be very addictive! You might find yourself collecting and shooting these old Smoke Polls! They are fun to shoot and not as costly as modern firearms. I ALWAYS RECOMMEND GETTING and reading through LYMAN'S BLACK POWDER HANDBOOK AND LOADING MANUAL
( 1st or 2nd editions ( either one) and really read it! There is a real wealth of info and loading data in them! On the internet you'll find a lot of info from people like the " Old Ranger ", " Blackie Thomas ", Guns Of The West", " Lame Beaver" ( one of my favorite!), and so many more!..all great info on Black Powder Firearms shooting, cleaning, repairing, history etc!! ..AND I MEAN GOOD INFO!!!...Have fun and enjoy!!!
Thanks for your story. I’m getting old and very addicted! Thanks!
At the end of your video I noticed you have a Grand Rapids, MI hoodie on. I’m a Ludington, MI native currently living in Las Vegas, NV! I just picked up a 1851 Navy in .44 caliber and the first thing I said was “ it isn’t historically accurate “! LMAO! This is my first black powder gun and I’m just trying to learn the ropes, so I gotta say thank you! It really is a small world!
@scooterc6412 hi! Yes I’m between Grand Rapids and Kalamazoo out in the sticks! Welcome to our BP world! It’s a lot of fun indeed. All my luck to you and stay in touch if you need anything. Ludington is beautiful country. Vegas has better weather!
@@CapBallFanatic-gb3jb
Yeah, the weather here is pretty good, but there ain’t no place like home! I enjoyed your video and now I’m itching to get all the accessories to go with the gun! Thanks again, buddy!
@scooterc6412 anytime! Check my loading video too if you’re interested.
You are in the same camp as Duelist 1954. For myself my first Cap and Ball was an EMF Mason Dixon commemorative revolver in .36 caliber, it only cost $37.00 and some shipping. At that time was very little knowledge about cap and ball the first time I shot it it was with 2F powder and Crisco and No. 11 percussion caps. I was told that I probably wouldn't be able to hit a barn from inside. Well it went boom, and I hit a barrel 3 times out of 5 at 10 steps and I was hooked! Since then I have shot cap and ball in Cowboy Action shooting, just for fun and to try other things I had heard other people do. When they go boom I still get that same feeling!
Boy I understand being hooked. There’s nothing like touching every load and smelling the powder and hearing the bang and knowing that we can approximate what our ancestors did and felt! Thanks for your story! I love hearing how folks get involved on this cap and ball journey.
2:03 "I use powder when I go to the club" made me lol
Gotta be pretty lol
@CapBallFanatic-gb3jb ohhh that kinda powder... hahaha
just bought this revolvers, this video was super helpful for myself just getting into black powder weapons. super informational video
Thank you! It’s a real nice revolver. Welcome to the hobby. It’s a lot of fun! Remember, black powder is a hobby of patience! If you have any questions just holler!
Subscribed! I love these spaghetti blasters. Great content, thanks!
Thanks! Welcome to the channel.
Well said!!! Who cares if their historically accurate,if they'll hit a target is all I care about!!!
Thank you! You’ve got it right. Keep shooting and having fun…
I've just discovered your channel and subscribed. You do a great job with the video,editing, and shooting.
I no longer have a shooting range on my property, as large houses have sprung up in my line of fire over the past 2 years.
When I do get to shoot, I shoot a E N Santa Barbara 1858 (Spain) that I bought 50 years ago. And, a Centaur Centennial 1960 (1860) made in Belgium around 50 years ago.
Thanks, and keep the videos coming.
Hi Phil and thanks for subscribing! I’m having fun with the videos. I love shooting so might as well record them. I’m trying to get better with each one. You’ve got some classic revolvers there! Keep on shooting. I’m lucky to have this acreage here for my range! Thanks again. There’ll be more coming soon.
Love my brass frame 44 1851 pietta....i let thread counters Seeethe ....36th Tex Cav CSA for life! 🤠😎
That’s great!!!!!
Correct sir!! One of my favorite C&B revolver.
I have the same pistol in .36 cal. I love this gun. Great video and I agree with you about historical accuracy. It's not important, fun is. P.S. I use lambs tallow mixed with bee's wax for lube and it works awesome especially for good accuracy.
I love the navy pistols in 36 and 44. I use the same lube mix as you and it works! I want to have fun! And this is fun. Thank you!
I just bought this weapon. I haven't shot it yet, new to black powder. so watching alot of videos to learn all I can before hand alot of great practical information definitely subscribed! thank you
Good luck! Keep me posted. Let me know if you need anything! Thanks and have a great time!
The ruger old army isnt historically accurate either but you dont ever hear that about the gun.btw,i have the 51 in 44.reason is,i wanted a 51,and if i could get it in44,even better!
I’m not ashamed of mine! I bought it KNOWING the 1851 was .36 caliber! We’re Americans! Sometimes we change things (stop typing, I know Pietta and Uberti are ITALIAN manufacturers) to improve something we already like! Good video J!
I’m glad to hear it! These emerging evidence that there may have been some of these back then too. Who’s to say since none of us were there! Thanks my friend
The 1851 in .36 is more muzzle heavy. It is harder for small armed or elderly to hold all day! Lol
Many of these revolvers are muzzle heavy. It takes some getting used to…or a bench rest lol
@CapBallFanatic-gb3jb Yes! But only if you're loading and shooting as fast as you can for long periods of time and that they are full size hand guns. I have found the Uberti's hand grips to be more historical in shape then Pietta's which has what some call a tail on them which tends to force the barrel to rise higher by putting more pressure on the lower polm of your hand. I don't have a problem with either due to the fact I don't load and shoot as fast as I can especially for long periods of time. Also I switch guns often during a long day of shooting. Like shooting a 7 1/2 inch barreled revolver and then a revolver with a 4 or 4 1/2 inch barrel or a smaller caliber! Doing it that way I've shot, many times, over a hundred rounds of Cap & Ball pistol rounds with no hand or arm fatigue at all. ( .36 or .44 caliber) ...( NOT WITH MY WALKERS OR DRAGOONS )! Take a .36 cal. 1851 Colt copy w/ a 7 1/2 inch barrel feels more heavier then a 44 cal. 4 1/2 barreled 1851 Colt copy! Even with full house loads! But usually, between useing three or four B/P hand guns in a single day of shooting, I usually find out I only shot about 50 or so rounds for the whole day. And that is in one day maybe every couple of weeks or so! What I'm trying to say is if your shooting B/P pistols and have hurting hands or arms afterwards you might need to find out why!... to much shooting all in one day, litter loads, standing or sitting!?.. Like I found out I could fire my B/P 1885 Browning 45/70 W/ 580 gr. Bullets from the standing position all day with no problems but sitting behind a bench it beat the living heck out of me even just shooting half the number of rds. What I'm trying to say is that if you got a problem there's a good reason why! Find out what it is and find out what you need to do to correct it! I had a friend that lost his little finger and the one next to it on his shooting hand. He said he couldn't shoot his single action pistols any more. He tried using his left hand but had problems with speed and accuracy with useing his left hand. After a couple years he gave up! I asked him if he had tried going back to useing his right hand. He said he couldn't grip the pistol enough to use just his thumb and fire it without it twisting out of his hand. I closely watch his draw and firing his pistol and noticed that his pistol twisted in his hand when drawing and cocking the hammer and then haveing to use his left hand to reposition the gun in his right hand before firing. Because of this this his draw was slow and first shot was slow and not very accurate. After forcing him to do exercises to strength the grip of his middle finger and finding a good pistol grip maker that made a set of grips that forced his middle finger grip lower down the grip, his grip strengthening of his middle finger and being locked in the same place every time his speed and accuracy came back to the point he thinks is faster and more accurate as before his accident. He would of given up two years earlier and not shooting right handed with handguns. But having someone push him and help him to figure out what was the problems and a way to fix it he probably be handicapped in his chosen sport! NEVER GIVE UP ON ANYTHING YOU WANT TO DO! MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS AND WAYS NECESSARY TO ACHIEVE YOUR GOALS!!
I like the 1851 Pietta Sheriff in 44 caliber…
River Junction Trade Company modes a nice flap holster for it…
I have a flap holster I got from a friend a while back…haven’t used it much though.
I received the same one a few days ago in navy yank 44 steel
everything was already working well
I deburred, filed, sanded each piece and reassembled everything
no hang, works flawlessly
(it even looks used mtn)
here there is a shortage for recharging
you have to make everything yourself, caps, powder and bullets
I make my bullets and some caps but not powder! It sounds like you’ve got a good one! Enjoy your new navy yank! There are definitely cap shortages.
Great video thank you.
Thanks!
Have one bought in the 80's love it
I own a pietta 1851 in .44. Don’t care that it’s “not historically accurate” and don’t care about what other’s opinion is. It was cheap, it fires almost every time (especially with slix shot nipples) and it puts a smile on my face every day at the range.
That’s terrific and my opinion. If it goes bang and you’re having fun…who cares? Let em talk, meanwhile you and I are burning powder! Thanks
@@CapBallFanatic-gb3jb exactly, makes a nice group with Lee conicals at 20 yards. But it’s true what they say “aim at the belt buckle, hit the torso”
im excited about getting the nickel 51. its a beautiful piece and will be happy to show it off to my friends
Yes it is. You’re gonna love it and so will your friends! Thank you!
Been thinking about getting one for a little while now. Will probably pull the trigger on one here soon. Thanks for the video!
These are a lot of fun! Thank you!
I love the cap and ball revolvers. The colt copies are my favorites. I have cartridge conversion cylinders for most of them . Good video
Thank you! They are really a lot of fun. I’m staying with cap and ball for now, but the conversions are fun too! Thanks for watching.
Awesome video! I have always been a cowpoke and have used and owned countless firearms of different makes and models but tend to stray towards revolvers, I’ve had my eye on the pietta 1851 for many years but never committed to getting one, after this video I believe I’ll buy one and try my hand at cap and ball, many thanks!
Hey thanks brother! It’s a blast for sure! Good luck and if you ever need anything related to that you know where I am!
Good Video thanks for the knowledge .
Thanks!
I don't know if anyone mentioned it in the comments, but if it really bothered someone couldn't they just look at it as if the Colt prototypes (there were at least two as I recall) escaped the factory and they managed to nab it? or perhaps they had Colt custom build them one...or they started with a .36 Colt and had the local gunsmith/blacksmith beef it up? best thing is to not care what anyone else thinks period. I started collecting and shooting these 3.5 decades ago and have owned well over 50 or so and today still own over a dozen cap and ball revolvers and I have always said when it comes to the Colt pattern my FAVORITE is the 1851 in 44 cal. I don't like the twist rate and wish there were more options, but still it is my favorite. I have sold off many, but still own a 4 7/8", 7", and 12" barreled versions of this frame in .44 and will always choose these over my 1860 if I could only take one. I shoot what I like and not what someone else likes, but I have been just as guilty of "arguing" about these topics with others many times in the past. I have the Remington pattern in all the barrel lengths and frame finishes offered as well and no one hardly ever says anything about them not existing in that configuration , finish, etc. so it must just be a Colt fanboy thing? ... well I no longer have the 18" carbine (yes I know it actually did exist) as I did not enjoy learning to flinch...even converted it to 45 Colt and still burned my face and beard!...hated that one!
I couldn’t agree with you more obviously. As you, if I had 1 choice of 44 cal to put my life on I’d take the 51 navy in 44 I used in the video. I just love it. Thank you for saying what I tried to say…who cares what anybody thinks! In fact, I wouldn’t doubt that a 44 with navy frame did show up somewhere. Thanks. Ps: I have the Remington revolving carbine and it’s not my fav cause of the face blow back…it’s fun, but my face is a little too close to fire lol. I did a vid on it and only fire it once in a great while! Generally when a friend wants to see it shoot.
@@CapBallFanatic-gb3jb The carbine is an attention getter for sure, but let someone fire it as their first cap and ball experience and you've just lost a cap and baller for certain as they'll probably never want to try another one. I had hoped converting it to cartridges would help, but it didn't. I'm subscribing to your channel now and interested in following along on your future cap and ball adventures.
@hercules1073 I agree on that. Thanks for subscribing! I hope to keep the adventure and challenges rolling!
IT WENT BANG AND THERE WAS LOTS OF SMOKE SO I DONT KNOW WHAT I WAS SHOOTING IT WAS FUN THANK YOU SIR
You’re welcome!
Love the gun, love the fun. I have a new to me Navy Arms REB 1860 Mfg. 1975 it is a copy of the griswold & gunnison. I love blackpowder revolvers and i encourage anyone to get one get out and have fun. I love civil war era arms and if you shot one you would too.
I couldn’t agree more! I’m going out today!
Great video! Thanks and greetings from Germany!
Greetings to you! Thanks for watching and your kind comment!
Great channel 😃 just subbed 😄
Thank you. If there’s anything you hope to see let me know and I’ll try
My first cap and ball was a Pietra 1858 bison revolver. I know the 12 inch barrel and brass frame isn't historically accurate but she is a beauty and gives me goosebumps just like the first time I saw her.
It's all about fun. 100% correct sir.
If it’s not fun it’s not worth it
Love this video and I wasn't certain on buying this gun but after watching this video I'm certainly ordering it, I'm sure I'll love it as much as you do
Fantastic! It’s a great shooter and lots of fun. Let me know how it goes for you! Thanks
I love the 1851 navy models, I’m currently building up a copy of Tuco the rats revolver from the good, the bad and the ugly. That one had a rebated cylinder, lanyard loop, no ejector rod and was cartridge converted. The rats gun has a changing barrel throughout the movie hex in some scenes and hex 1/2 round in others.
That sounds really cool. I watch him and he does really creative stuff! Thanks
I tired to find one from uberti couldn't finally just got a 36 but still looking
I’m not sure Uberti makes them but I’ve had much better luck with quality lately with Pietta. My new Ubertis have all had out of the box issues lately. Good luck with your 36
I have a couple of these, among many others. I don't care about them being "historically inaccurate." They're fun to shoot and I'm not doing a re-enactment or anything. Nobody cares.
Amen!!!
I 100% agree on your choice. I started with 1858 remington then 1860 colt. At that point wanted to keep everything in same caliber to simplify my accessories. The 1861 in 44 might not be historical correct but it is now my favorite BP pistol. I now have 17 BP pistols pistols.
That’s how it goes. Just get a couple. Then 17. I have 24. Whew! Thanks for watching and writing. I say shoot em if you have em!
I have a Pietta 1851 brass frame 44. I like it. It was gave to me at a police supply shop it was a confiscated gun. I also have a 1858 remington 36 which is spot on.
That’s great! Those are good shooting, fun revolvers! Confiscated cap and ball gun! Don’t hear that much! Thanks for watching! Have a blast
yeah it was loaded and they knew I use civil war guns alot. Ihey said noone will buy this so take it. It is in near new condition.@@CapBallFanatic-gb3jb
Whats the best reproduction revolver for beginners? Im a Civil war History buff so I would preferably get one from that era.
I don’t think you can do better than a Colt 1851 navy in 36 cal made by pietta or uberti. Easy to shoot and a great revolver to start with. Since you are a history buff this was used during the war.
Thanks! @@CapBallFanatic-gb3jb
Waiting on my .44 navy to get here Tuesday. I got the square back trigger guard " London " model from emf. Can't wait to burn some powder 😊
That’s great! Let me know how it shoots! You’re gonna have fun!
Some Confederate replicas of the 1851 Colt Navy revolver came in .44 cal. So my Italian replica IS HISTORICALLY accurate. Ooh Rah! Great vid!
You darn right it is!!!! Thanks! Fire at will!!
OK, I am 78 years old, and the only C & B I own is ... wait for it ... a Pietta .44 calibur I bought online for about $175. I did not know, and would not have cared, if it was "accurate" one way or the other. I will soon purchase a strap back of some kind as I really prefer the ability to swap out loaded cylinders. I think sometimes that folks who are interested in the use of firearms of any kind exhibit a bit of - oh how can I say this - over-identification with the product. I just like to shoot and enjoy the entire process. By the way, if you get a moment, I do have a question, and perhaps others might also have this interest: my pistol has a brass frame, like the weapon you show in this video. I saw some pellets made where you could just drop one of these in each cylinder versus the conventional method of power measurement. You drop one of these in the cylinder, add your wad and lead, and ram home as usual. I have not had the opportunity to shoot these yet, but hope to soon - during the holidays. My question/concern is I have read a few very brief comments that touched on a problem with the use of this kind of power load in a brass frame gun. Do you have any response to this? Please use my email associated with this comment. Thank you for your video and look forward to viewing many more.
I will send you an email in a bit…after I feed my horses. Thanks
Hey David...sorry for my delay. So I have never really used the pellets that are sold made from the black powder substitutes...like pyrodex and triple 7....What I know is that its best to load down for brass frames from a load for steel frames. Also, triple 7 is hotter and provides more energy per grain, as does pyrodex...but not like triple 7. So, I personally wouldnt use them cause Ive never seen them in less than 30 grain pellets and, while that may be good in a steel frame 44...that would be about 8 grains to much (in my view) in a brass frame 44. I shoot (either BP or pyrodex)..14-18 grains in 36 caliber brass frames and 18-22 grains in brass frame 44's. That just me but this goes generally with the manufacturers recommendations.
hope this helps Thanks for your support. Ive got more videos coming if the weather gives me a break here in Michigan
i got a gun from my father inlaw he told me it was a navy 36 pietta with 5 lbs of black for 100 bucks i looked it up and it had navy arms co. made in Italy with the letters G/U under it serial number 538 on it found it was made in 1958 the first year of navy arms and ubirti made gun and the gun is in very good condition they claim it is worth up to 2500 i say in it condition about 2000 the blueing is a little worn but it covers the whole gun no bare spots. it was a very well made gun i can't slid a 1/1000 fueler gauge between the barrel and cylinder but it don't hit or drag it is perfect no blow by i did the tissue test and nothing on the tissue or holes. i have never seen a revolver that tight and i have a lot of revolvers . then i have seen people say if u can only slid a piece of paper it is good not one of my colts u can slid a piece of paper through that spot most are 1/1000 space. at least that is what it should be
Wow. That sounds like a great revolver. It’s a real collector. When these things are right they are beautiful yet simple firearms. Thanks.
"If it ain't fun...we ain't doing it"! That pretty much sums it up. Shoot what you like. And if it isn't 'historically correct'....then the nit pickers can take it up with someone who might care. Would likely make a great cartridge conversion revolver, too.
I agree. Thanks. Brass can’t be converted I hear. But I don’t convert so I’m not sure. Have fun!
The one your shooting is the same as my first one, I sure do love it, they really are a fun little gun . only thing i really don't like so much is the cleanup, but that isn't that terrible once you learn the way to do it.
You’re right. Once you get a cleaning way you like it’s not bad! It’s a really fun revolver! Thanks
One of my black powders is an 1851 44 cal. I prefer the caliber over 36 and don't care if it's historically accurate. It's not an original colt, so what does it matter. You have the look and feel of the original. You get to load it as the original was, just with a more fun caliber.
I couldn’t agree more. Just have fun. That’s what it’s supposed to be about!
31 baby dragoon, accurate super fun pistol , nutttin sweeter than cap and ball
I agree brother
Thanks!
I am not a big fan of Pyrodex. For a substitute try Hodgdon 777 lots of smoke and very easy to clean. I started out with DuPont Gunpowder and an original Colt 1851 and corrosive caps. That was a long time ago and I have burned a lot of Gunpowder since then. You have good stuff for people starting the game or old hands. At 93 I am still shooting and learning. Where did you get that nifty plastic powder measure anyway?
How great…my goal is to be shooting and learning at 93 too…good on you! I believe I got it on Amazon. I love it. Midway had them too at one time. I haven’t tried 777 but I’m going to. Thanks my friend! Keep burning powder!!!
i know the 51 navy frame in 44 isnt historically correct but damnt i sure do like the fact that is available in .44 now and the fact that they didnt really change much when they made it in .44 it looks the part to the casual observer only the its got to be historically accurate crowd is crying about it to be completely honest none of the reproductions are absolutely historically accurate
they use modern steels rought iron like the original colts of the era not many of the reproductions even bother to nickel plate the trigger guards like the originals the original colts had many minor changes over the years like the size and shape of the opening for the finger openimg in the trigger guard
in closimg this comment ill say that the modern reproductions take all the best elements of the gun theyre reproducimg and build a completely new gun
this isnt necessarily bad but it isnt historically correct
that being said i cant find fault with anyone for owning and shooting a 51 navy in .44 nor can i find fault with a company producing a gun in caliber that isnt historically correct the people must want a 51 navy in .44 cause people do buy them and they do shoot them and they look like theyre having a blast doing it
lastly ill say im jealous of all yall out there havimg such a good time with your 51 navys cause i dont have one yet
I can’t agree more. Gotta get a 51 navy. Great guns. Thanks
Historical!! 😆.. it's a beautiful gun and it goes bang when you pull the trigger.
And that’s all that matters to me!
It is so funny to me when people talk about historical, you go to any museums and look and the firearms they used way back when... They operated and look so much different then the modern replicas, brass or steel framed.
@theidahoan9826 yea. All we can do is approximate history…materials different, conditions different and we get to put it away and go have dinner. It’s fun to try…and I’ll keep imagining all knowing I’m guessing and can never experience it.
Very true, still really fun tho. Had to get conversion cylinders for all mine tho, only way I can shoot'em anymore with caps bein impossible to find... I do miss the black powder smoke in my face tho ;)
@theidahoan9826 it’s real fun! I managed to hoard some caps last year so I’m good.
The way I load mine put in powder use a pench of CORN MEAL put in Round Ball it's more accurate.😊 No Wadding😊
I’ve never tried that but I may soon. Thanks.
I Agree! It's not historically accurate BUT --- it's a lot of fun even so. I like the look of both the Navy and the Army -- what's better than a Navy in .44?
I couldn’t agree more! Since I don’t care about 44 navy I don’t care about ruger lol. Thanks
You really should make your own black powder. It is not hard to do. You can easily make it for $5 a pound.
When you gonna do a vid on the engraved pistol you did a short about?
Hi! That one’s coming next! I had this one going when that Remington arrived. So it’ll be about a week or so! Thanks.
@@CapBallFanatic-gb3jb good deal, always look forward to your vids
I just got a divorce and my wife took my 44 army pieta barrel out of hate because she now's how I love my pieta 44 cal Colt army 1860 I am willing to trade a 54cal tradition model that has only been shoot about 10 times I'm willing to trade that 54 for any pieta 44 army brass or steel frame 😢 Am desperate she took away my only fun from my life please help me if you can really need My 44 for my sanity
That’s low ball man. I’m sorry. I will check with my friends. Send me an email at capandballfanatic@gmail.com.
Great video. Subbed...👍
Thank you and welcome! I’ll do my best to keep you coming back!!! That I promise
@@CapBallFanatic-gb3jb>>> Fair enough...👍
why dont you put the wad in front of the ball? i think it might work better.
Actually it won’t. It will not go down the barrel first. On the powder it leaves the lube on the charge so it breaks up fouling. People that like it in front add lube to the chamber mouths. I don’t like it cause it’s a mess
I’m just finishing a new video on loading and capping now. I answer some of that stuff better. Might be up tomorrow…I hope
While technically correct, it kinda did exist... A variation of it was a prototype for the 1860 army
I agree with you on that point. I think I’ve seen pictures of it. Had a round barrel if I’m thinking of the right photo. Thanks! I’m surprised they never made an 1860 army with navy grip frame. That’s essentially what it is!
@@CapBallFanatic-gb3jb the picture ive seen actually had the same barrel. They lengthened the grip frame and stepped the cylinder for 44... The second one they trimmed some of the barrel. There was like 4 or 5 iterations before they got to the 1860. Kinda cool really. Colt even flirted around with a pepper box prototype that never went anywhere in the 1850s
Edit for what its worth ive had decent groups with Eras Gone Kerrs in my 44 piettas. Might be worth a look. Brittish projectile. Mark Hubbs has lee producing the molds for him
@Rumblestrip that is really cool!
The only thing I don’t like about is Uberti has yet to make one.
Yea. But Pietta’s is really nice!
This is the scorpion revolver that red dead revolver has
Yup. The original concealed revolver!!! Thanks
The real reason, it is not spoken about they won't admit it existed. Colt made 4 1851 .44 Navy's due to the Civil War they stayed with .36 machines were set up, and money was to be made. The Smithsonian has the only known survivor
I have since learned these facts. But it is ridiculous to think that these didn’t exist even as prototypes. Thanks
@CapBallFanatic-gb3jb if non existence then the Smithsonian is a fraud? They have one
@CapBallFanatic-gb3jb I upset the apple cart, and say it did and does exist, why else would the Smithsonian have one hanging around
I have the same pistol and the wedge is giving me issues. I am trying to move it backwards for cleaning.
It won’t come out or move? If that’s so use a clothes pin or a brass pouch of some kind (I use a flint Knapping hammer) to knock it loose with a plastic or rubber hammer.
Should be able to push it in and out with thumb pressure. It may need to be sanded on one side to get it to fit right
It won’t move, I tried the brass punch and no luck. I’ll try the boiling water method.
@@CapBallFanatic-gb3jb I just used boiling water and smashed it with a Gunsmithing hammer. It worked like a charm, thank you for the suggestions.
Do they make any "modern" types of cap & ball guns?
These are about as modern as they get I’m afraid…in cap and ball. You can get modern revolvers that shoot modern ammo but not cap and ball. The ruger old army was probably the modern cap and ball but it’s not made anymore.
@CapBallFanatic-gb3jb yeah I looked up the prices for the old army! Definitely not one to start out with
No adjustable sight?
Hi! No adjustable sights on these cap and ball colt replicas. I think those are a later invention. The rear sight is a notch in the hammer and the front site is a little bead. That’s about it. Thanks!
@CapBallFanatic-gb3jb Figures they would make it historically accurate on the real amenities.... I'll get one and mount a red dot on it just for shits and giggles..
@lamegame420 lots of folks do that. I’m hard headed so I play with windage lol.
Says no one talks about it.... does nothing but talk about it.
Yup…I talk about it! For sure
I wonder if you showed up in the 1860's with a case of brand spanking new navy revolvers in say Richmond, VA.and started handing them out telling recruits they are .44 caliber navy revolvers. Do you suppose they would have turned them down because they are historically inaccurate? I think not.
God I hope not lol.
Isn't the only difference historically with this gun the fact that it was a 36 caliber at least that's what I've heard a lot of people saying which so what if that's the case so what it's an older gun design with a bigger caliber
That’s about it!
Only thing i care about in caliber is that it makes a big hole in the paper targets 😂
(and mabye humans too, but i hope it never comes to that)
Yup!
I’m not historically accurate either.
It’s about having fun!!