I like the larger minis. Space marines are supposed to be giant, even out of their armor. However they are the size of guardsmen. The new death watch and space marine hero marines are slightly bigger and work well. Primaris look great but lack the diversity of all prior marine kits (mixing/matching tersos, legs, etc). Moving in the right direction though!
I don’t think you’re right about the space marines being the same size as guardsmen, I have space marines and guardsmen and space marines TOWER over the guardsmen
yes but if youre gonna make the space marines bigger you gotta make all their vehicles bigger and if you gonna make the SM bigger you gotta make the CSM bigger as well see where i am going with this?
Steven Holt Well yes if your eyesight is poor and/or hands shake. The Primaris are possibly easier to paint for newcomers but there is still the scope for a lot of detail. There are plenty of big models that require a lot of detail.
@@Sup3rSaiy3n I fucked up by getting the older tactical marine pack back in the start of the year when starting to paint. If nothing else I would hope I'm somewhat better at painting due to them being smaller. Waiting for my Primaris marines to arrive today. Fingers crossed.
Hey there! The captain from the "Dark Vengeance"(?) set was really beautifully painted! Nice job- and thanks for making me laugh, throughout. I love that you're keeping your first marine unaltered- and it's really cool to see the love you have for 40K staying strong through the years- keep it up!
@@Anathema0420 3+ on 2D6. Minimum roll was a 2. It wasn't 2 seperate rolls of D6. Also it was a 5+ Invun as well for Terminators since back in 2nd edition you had all sorts of dice (d8, d12, d4 etc) and massive armour modifiers. Terminators were actually hard to kill. Had to throw vortex grenades at them ;)
@@uglyduckling81 Not to forget the blast range of differnt types, the thousands of diffenty psi powers, the artillery worked completely differnt (quess the distance, and roll for deviation etc) Far more complex than third, but some things were carried over to third. But still it is a great game.
@@tristanellis-mascoll1171 Still got 2 sets of arty dice in my dice box. Original ones from WFB 3rd ed starter. Can't remember which box the second set came in.
Guilliman: People of the imperium I intriduce you the totally superior and totally new primaris marines the galaxy has never seen before and who will wipe out chaos once and for all Deathwatch captain: Yea sure
Just takes time man I still keep my old school ones as a reminder how far iv come :) I remember painting when I was a young Nerdling come pretty far from then still far to go ! never out of reach
Sometimes I wish I had a paradox free backwards travelling time machine and make sure space marines were proper scaled from day one. I still don't like the idea of primaris marines
@@ObjectiveMedia Great ! We would make parties where an army of space marines would be made up of 3 miniatures versus an opposing army of a hundred opponents ... To balance "according to the lore". What a wonderful idea. "According to the Lore" an army of a few dozen Ultramarines is capable of defeating several thousand planetary defense guards. And so much for the orks, the tyranids, etc ... I am already planning the deployment phase! Ultramarine Player 1: Put a miniature on the table. Player 2: knock over a box of dozens of figurines. It must be understood that there is a monumental difference between a characteristic of 3 and a characteristic of 4. And that this difference is even greater between a characteristic of 4 and a characteristic of 5. It must be understood that a simple "3" can encompass the strength of a human barely stronger than a 14 year old non-athletic teenager, to that of a catachan guard resembling a bodybuilding practitioner.
Interesting vid. The original plastic marines ( the Beaky Marines ) were smaller than the first one you showed ( not by much though ). It's the same with the Orks. Although the original metal Orks are TINY compared even to the first plastic ones. Oh, and I have a feeling that the new Primaris Captain you showed might be as tall as one of the original SM Dreads, lol.
zednotzee7 Yeah I know they were but it was a comparison with my collection from the past 20 years. And models that are currently available, the beanies are not readily available anymore but I would've included them in the size comparison if I could.
The original plastic set of space marine figures from 1987 are quite small compared to the current tactical marines and mere midgets compared to the Primaris marines, the figures have been getting bigger for a while.
I recently bought 102 death guard, the detail on them are amazing 😉, I also have ultramarines, genestealers and tyranids, the tyranid tervigon is pretty cool indeed
Ive been building terminators as ive just got back, they looked too small to me so ive been bulking them up and out a bit with some extra plastic in their torso and greenstuff round their waists - I think the standard termies are due a resculpt as if you compare them to the chaos ones they are larger
Primaris is the future standard marine model! I've suspected it all along, because it makes sense fluff-wise. I think GW wants to increase the in-game gap between SM and normal humans (IG infantry).
About 10 years ago I rebased my vintage Termies by just putting their 32mm base on top of the new larger base. Little bit of paint and sand and they are equal height to the Dark Vengence and Space Hulk termies.
not possible. better said, not likely. do you reckon they will keep cataphractii terminators and mk 3 space marines? i hope so because those are my favourites.
I haven't bought 40k minis in over a decade, and almost all the marines I have are the like the second ones you displayed, and I even have a couple of the first that came in a set with paints.
I had a feeling like that, but this really put it on display. Thanks for the video! Aside from that I got to say -lore aside*- I adore the Primaris marine models, the detail and more accurate size (compared to a guardsman) is just fantastic. *That being said, honestly 40K has always been a mixture of bad ideas over time made to look good and the relics of 40.000 stolen IP's from other Sci-fi at the time, oh that and WF stuff that was in turn greatly taken from the Fantasy being read around the time. I think getting to stuck up on the way the lore progressed is kind of silly. Cheers!
Just so you know the Watch Commander IS wearing modified Custodian gear. It's normal for deathwatch to take and modify not just gear from other imperial factions but xenos factions too.
Middle aged man here who decided to go back to 40K recently with 9th edition. The size difference is insane. Good business thinking though as it means those of us with armies full of the 'old stuff' will eventually have to replace them. They just do not look right on the tabletop with such differnt sizes; itis not just height but girth. It's a whole scale thing.
I think the space marines were always way too short anyways, some of the old ones were shorter than some Imperial Guard minis, so I think the newer ones are great, but if you have an older army they will stand out and not match.
cruorangelussilicis Thank you. Yeah I was trying to highlight that sizes have always been all over the place rather than oh Primaris are much bigger than everything else hehe.
Space Marine mini's were wrong since day one, due to resin / metal casting limitations? starting in 1986 etc..SOB GW...thanks for wasting all our modeling and painting time the past 30+ years...finally getting the size closer to true scale as per canon / lore...they better not F with the scale of Eldar, Imperium, Battel Sisters, regular soldiers humans' etc...Ork Boys etc forsure need a size update now? any word on that?
+Bobo56Bear I wouldn't say it's time wasted. The older models will just happen to be shorter, irl there are height differences between people too, would seem pretty normal for marines to have some variety of height.
@@Bobo56Bear they are doing with the imperium, look at the scions and now the voidsman in rogue trader, look at the leader in rogue trader, she is bigger than a primaris.
I still have mine from the 80s -- talk about a size difference! lol My local shop said it was cool to use them but I just needed to use them on a modern, larger base. :)
Actually we must be similar age. The first marine on the left, I remember having five of them in the starter paint set, which had nine paints for less than £15.
The Rogue Trader beakies were smaller, but mainly in armor bulkiness as well as their backpacks. However, they weren't that much shorter, as they were always semi-squatting, making them appear shorter than they were.
For a while i thought about getting some primaris to convert them into true scale chaos space marines but since i already have a lot of older space marine models i decided to just 3d print some longer legs and torsos for some of my models or use green stuff for others.
Primaris and Custodes look really cool together. Yeah Custodes are supposed to be bigger, but not *that* big compared to the classic marine. Either way both marine and custodes need to be much bigger than a human and they achieved that.
All of my space marines have Warriors of Chaos legs with the chainmail and the leather boots. THose legs make them taller so the new primaris marines just about match anyway. I'm glad I did that now haha
The watch captain is standing completely straight whereas the primaris is running, so if the primaris was stood straight, they would be taller. However, the watch captain is definitely very tall for a firstborn space marine.
RTB-01 the original space marines made from injected plastic are super tiny. all of them have a hunched stance as well that makes them a bit smaller in scale as well. Primaris are almost dreadnaught size compared to them
I think GW should put out a set of single pose marines that are in between the old/shorter type & the primaris/newer so armies can have a good mixture & the lore of SMs being different heights ( I remember a story where a SM captain thinks to himself that the SM he is looking @ is the tallest SM hes seen ) can be reflected. As it is players who have been around a while ( like myself ) wont have the smallest figures if we arent able to go out & buy multiple boxes of primaris marines ( though this is exactly what GW wants us to do ) . It is bad enough that GW is constantly putting out new rules average every 4 yrs which also means new codexs ( so every 4 yrs we all have to shell out approximately 75$ ). Personaly I think the 3rd ed rulebook had the right idea of including a mini codex for all the armies ( w/a couple of excetions ) & rules shouldnt be changed unless there is a major problem w/them as a few mo.ago I got the Dark Venngeance box set only to realize that the rules were no longer being used ( this is a prob especially when about 10yrs ago I had an employee @ a GW store pushing me to buy a codex when I bought a small starter force or chaos SMs only 2 have a new codex come out 2wks later, which he DID know was comming out). GW has ceased to be a Co. that was "Run By Gamers FOR Gamers" & turned into the worst type of money grubbing corporate assholes & its getting harder & harder to enjoy the game I got into in the late 80's. It's no wonder I scratch build all my vehicles & cast my own minis but thats out of neccessity, but finding out the new rules allow IG to fire lasguns @ a Leman Russ & actually damage it ( as they got rid of armor values ) just makes the game completley unrealistic. Anyone interested in working with me on creating a parody ruleset ( remember parody is LEGALY PROTECTED ) called HammerJammer 39,876 AD comment below. TY all for taking the time to read my little rant.
Trogdor The Burninator It is very close but the Primaris isn't 'crouching' but walking forward, still that size difference between the watch master and space marine tho.
I'm pretty sure that Marines were meant to be 6 ft 6 to 8 foot tall with about another 6" for armour and Primarchs around 10ft tall. so at 5mm to the foot that gives 32.5 - 42.5 for an armoured Marine.
The problem is that nobody ever settled on a scale. I used to figure at about 1/48 for Guardsmen. That was way back in the mists of time and even then that was only working off height, not proportion , and very , very rough.I also figured 1/48 for the vehicles but, with Land Raider and Rhino being what they were, that was as much a fancy on my part as anything else. Accessories from 1/35 armored vehicles worked well after all,.. Now ? god knows.. certainly looks like some mission creep going on , LOL Does it matter though ?
I have marneous calgar in both arti armour and term armour and JEEEEEEEEEEz the size difference is huge. but as I remember the Primaris marines are only supposed to be reinforcement to chapters with a few exceptions to a few primaris chapters
I think that when used in game , size isn't that important. The figurines are like chess pieces , it's what they represent that counts. Outside of the game, when simply used as figurines and nothing else, size matters. IMO the new Primaris are great looking models and the size makes for more detail and a more enjoyable painting experience. The resulting model is also more visually imposing , making for a more rewarding result.
Ah the assault on black reach set. God how I hated the poses on these marines. Luckily I have enough parts now to strip them down and bring them up to today's standard. The dreadnought ended up a lot beefier using the spare parts from a proper dreadnought, he actually looks cool now. So to those who have these sets, don't dump them, try to convert them into some cool minis.
They could have explained this away buy saying the new models are primaris marines but the old models are regular marines. But they have chosen not to do that.
I compare my minimarines to deathwatch marines , then with death guard marines , yeah they are making the gap between the normal Astartes and Primaris smaller , because one of the death guard literally is nearly the same height as a primaris , and deathwatch is also taller and closer to primaris marines IDK man my minimarines are gonna feel like dwarfs after this :( I guess im just gonna make them normal humans in power armour
Super Comparison Vid mate, Do you know off hand if the new larger Terminators fit on the 32mm base ? I'm a Rogue Trader era Space Hulk player and this is a bit of a nightmare TBH. Thanks
Damn! that old termi look like junior compared to current terminator. Guess 1 day maybe in next 30 years or something we got space marines size of Knight, while some warlord or Imperator titan being size of...book shelf
Thanks got they made Space Marines bigger than Imperial guards, because old Space Marines where even smaller than normal humans, it was about time they made more realistic scale marines.
Why didn't they just do a straight swap/upgrade and avoid the weird lore problems altogether? They would have sold more models to people replacing their SM armies for true scale (as pissed as they might be about it)
The issue with comparing anything from games workshop is that they use a sliding scale....so basically I doubt they even know the proper scale everything should be
Just scale creep. I think they made the new bigger marines but they still had lots of old stock, and all those new kits like deathwatch, blood angels, that were still popular. So they didn't want to hurt sales by releasing 'truescale'. ....i even think they did that little leak online to guage reaction. Then decided that they should make them Primaris so they could keep the old stock around for a while.
I know they can be tainted and bloated by chaos but ahriman is huge and makes even his iwn rubricae look tiny and is bigver than terminators yet is in power armour
Nice video Sup3rSaiy3n, I do wonder if gw will ever transition completly over to primaris 'true scale' marines. Probably not in the near future but say 20-30 years from now. Btw, I think the captain fourth on the left is from the 'assault on Black reach' starter set.
Sup3er_sayian you are da best wish I could meet you in real life but I got a question can chaos space marines and normal space marines be on the same team?
Thank you a lot for this comparison brother, it is very very usefull. I think we will have to wait for FW to release the Cataphracti Custodes to compare them to the Gravis Primaris Captain which is kind of a Terminator Primaris for intents and purposes. Just a quick question brother, do you know if FW products have a different height than the GW ones? I was thinking of comparing FW's MkIV or MkV kits vs other GW products like the Death Company Chaplain, Custodes and Sanguinary Priest.
What did you use for the Custodies cloak? I was thinking of doing them but I saw no cape and I did a nope right out of there and when crawling back to my Mechanicum and hoped they would take me back.
Honestly: The new Primaris marines ARE true scale, if they stop right now. Ofcourse, the size of the other armies need to stay as they where when I played (2003) for this to stay true. Honestly, I am thinking of returning to 40k painting only to create a army of only (modded) gravis armor space marines. That armor looks so cool... if you take away the unnecessary accessories (like the shoulderpads).
To ignore the lore is to ignore the complete universe these miniatures are set in. I have read the Primaris novels and how they are being integrated into current chapters. To replace the current range would need a drastic progression of the 40K universe. They are only 100 years into having Primaris in the lore so there aren't many around and they are not as battle-forged as the rest of the Space Marines. Space Marines are the size they are because GW & FW choose them to be. Both continue to make miniatures for the two types. Where we go from here though is anyone's guess. They sold space marines (40K), then older space marines (HH) and now Primaris (40K+). Space Marines are their most popular money making army. They are not going to replace them overnight. Primaris are also expensive, we're almost taking FW prices now, which many hobbyists will not be able to afford. A lot of the models are funky looking too such as the Aggressors, Inceptors, the Repulsor and even the Astraeus. Although the Redemptor and Intercessors are cool. Model wise there are many more fantastic miniatures in the 'standard' space marine and Horus Heresy ranges. If GW got rid of their biggest product line people would be disenfranchised and alienated because their collections would be pushed out and they would be expected to replace them with the bigger (not necessarily better) models. Leaving only the new hobbyists and early adopters of Primaris which would be insufficient to support the new range.
Silver Ah right because they lack the DA symbols. I think the Inceptors are the same size, eye level that is, not including the hood, they're in the same armour. Not being picky 😊
Thanks for this! I’m brainstorming some kitbash designs - specifically the Deathwatch Killteam arms/weapons on Primaris bodies (probably with some minor resculpting). Do you think it’d work, or are they too different in scale?
what are they in MM? i am looking at unoficall stuff for weapons and bits and i don't know what size they are (not primarus they don't exist in my DIY successor yet) and i don't know what size to get
So how did the new primaris space marines get upskilled and more experienced than the other space marines some of which have been in constant battle for centuries >
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I like the larger minis. Space marines are supposed to be giant, even out of their armor. However they are the size of guardsmen. The new death watch and space marine hero marines are slightly bigger and work well. Primaris look great but lack the diversity of all prior marine kits (mixing/matching tersos, legs, etc).
Moving in the right direction though!
I don’t think you’re right about the space marines being the same size as guardsmen, I have space marines and guardsmen and space marines TOWER over the guardsmen
@@the40kboyz11 do you have newer space marine models or older models? Older space marine models are tiny compared to new ones
yes but if youre gonna make the space marines bigger you gotta make all their vehicles bigger and if you gonna make the SM bigger you gotta make the CSM bigger as well see where i am going with this?
the captain you showed is from the assault on black reach
As is the terminator, dark vengeance is dark angels
Larger for me means easier to paint.
Steven Holt Well yes if your eyesight is poor and/or hands shake. The Primaris are possibly easier to paint for newcomers but there is still the scope for a lot of detail. There are plenty of big models that require a lot of detail.
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Ohhh same I got shaken hands
@@Sup3rSaiy3n I fucked up by getting the older tactical marine pack back in the start of the year when starting to paint. If nothing else I would hope I'm somewhat better at painting due to them being smaller. Waiting for my Primaris marines to arrive today. Fingers crossed.
I imagine some of the detail will show through better aswell
They're getting better compared to the other minis.
It's silly, that on tabletop an old marine figure is almost the same height as a guardsman.
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Hey there! The captain from the "Dark Vengeance"(?) set was really beautifully painted! Nice job- and thanks for making me laugh, throughout. I love that you're keeping your first marine unaltered- and it's really cool to see the love you have for 40K staying strong through the years- keep it up!
old terminator looks cute
Um ok
he wants hugs NOW GIVE HIM A HUG
Holy cuddles
I remember when terminators had a 3+ save, but you used 2d6, yeah I remember 2nd Edition
Moff Xanatos I'm right there with you, if one dice didn't save you had the other one, hard to imagine no invulnerable save though. Cheers m8.
@@Anathema0420 3+ on 2D6. Minimum roll was a 2. It wasn't 2 seperate rolls of D6. Also it was a 5+ Invun as well for Terminators since back in 2nd edition you had all sorts of dice (d8, d12, d4 etc) and massive armour modifiers.
Terminators were actually hard to kill. Had to throw vortex grenades at them ;)
@@uglyduckling81
Not to forget the blast range of differnt types, the thousands of diffenty psi powers, the artillery worked completely differnt (quess the distance, and roll for deviation etc)
Far more complex than third, but some things were carried over to third.
But still it is a great game.
@@tristanellis-mascoll1171 Still got 2 sets of arty dice in my dice box. Original ones from WFB 3rd ed starter. Can't remember which box the second set came in.
Guilliman:
People of the imperium I intriduce you the totally superior and totally new primaris marines the galaxy has never seen before and who will wipe out chaos once and for all
Deathwatch captain:
Yea sure
Oh yeah your captain is just "alright painted" yeah? THATS BETTER THAN ANYTHING IVE EVER DONE XD
Just takes time man I still keep my old school ones as a reminder how far iv come :) I remember painting when I was a young Nerdling come pretty far from then still far to go ! never out of reach
@@savagex466-qt1io I'm sure he's proud enough of it, just being humble.
Yeah he was one good looking boi for sure! Great job painting him up by most peoples standard i'd say (deffo better than me), nice model too!
This channel just keeps getting better and better the more I watch it.
Speaking of large that thunderhawk is an absolute U N I T.
Are they getting bigger or is the world zooming in more
Sometimes I wish I had a paradox free backwards travelling time machine and make sure space marines were proper scaled from day one. I still don't like the idea of primaris marines
Adam Baker properly scaled with a proper stat line. Space marines were always so underpowered vs the lore
@@ObjectiveMedia
Great ! We would make parties where an army of space marines would be made up of 3 miniatures versus an opposing army of a hundred opponents ... To balance "according to the lore".
What a wonderful idea.
"According to the Lore" an army of a few dozen Ultramarines is capable of defeating several thousand planetary defense guards. And so much for the orks, the tyranids, etc ...
I am already planning the deployment phase!
Ultramarine Player 1: Put a miniature on the table.
Player 2: knock over a box of dozens of figurines.
It must be understood that there is a monumental difference between a characteristic of 3 and a characteristic of 4.
And that this difference is even greater between a characteristic of 4 and a characteristic of 5.
It must be understood that a simple "3" can encompass the strength of a human barely stronger than a 14 year old non-athletic teenager, to that of a catachan guard resembling a bodybuilding practitioner.
@@Konmael wow you just took what I said a completely made it into something it isn’t. Well done 👏
looking forward to seeing the new dreadnought comparison. it looks fucking massive, even compared to the primaris marines.
Interesting vid. The original plastic marines ( the Beaky Marines ) were smaller than the first one you showed ( not by much though ). It's the same with the Orks. Although the original metal Orks are TINY compared even to the first plastic ones. Oh, and I have a feeling that the new Primaris Captain you showed might be as tall as one of the original SM Dreads, lol.
zednotzee7 Yeah I know they were but it was a comparison with my collection from the past 20 years. And models that are currently available, the beanies are not readily available anymore but I would've included them in the size comparison if I could.
The 2.nd marine is the one I grew up with. Wonky assembly but I loved the possibilities you had with all the separate parts.
I just got a unopened 5 man combat squad from 2001. Absolutely loved building and painting them! Blast from the past!
The original plastic set of space marine figures from 1987 are quite small compared to the current tactical marines and mere midgets compared to the Primaris marines, the figures have been getting bigger for a while.
Consider that they were almost squatting though, so they are not as much shorter as you may think they are.
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Ask youself that
Orks should be bigger like the lore
so we can finally have truescale marines with less hassle?
I recently bought 102 death guard, the detail on them are amazing 😉, I also have ultramarines, genestealers and tyranids, the tyranid tervigon is pretty cool indeed
Ive been building terminators as ive just got back, they looked too small to me so ive been bulking them up and out a bit with some extra plastic in their torso and greenstuff round their waists - I think the standard termies are due a resculpt as if you compare them to the chaos ones they are larger
That captain from Dark Vengeance if that's what it was, is absolutely stunning!! s good as any new model and a beautiful paint job!
Primaris is the future standard marine model! I've suspected it all along, because it makes sense fluff-wise. I think GW wants to increase the in-game gap between SM and normal humans (IG infantry).
space marines are a smaller scale than everything else gw makes, primaris models are the height a normal space marine should be
About 10 years ago I rebased my vintage Termies by just putting their 32mm base on top of the new larger base. Little bit of paint and sand and they are equal height to the Dark Vengence and Space Hulk termies.
sorry so late to the party, yes they came MUCH smaller but still a fantastic guide of the 'older' models, cheers!
GW will kill off the old marine models and rules for 9th edition.
not possible. better said, not likely. do you reckon they will keep cataphractii terminators and mk 3 space marines? i hope so because those are my favourites.
FYI, the "alright painted captain" is from the Black Reach box (5th edition), whereas the Dark Vengeance Box features Dark Angels Space Marines.
I haven't bought 40k minis in over a decade, and almost all the marines I have are the like the second ones you displayed, and I even have a couple of the first that came in a set with paints.
I had a feeling like that, but this really put it on display. Thanks for the video!
Aside from that I got to say -lore aside*- I adore the Primaris marine models, the detail and more accurate size (compared to a guardsman) is just fantastic.
*That being said, honestly 40K has always been a mixture of bad ideas over time made to look good and the relics of 40.000 stolen IP's from other Sci-fi at the time, oh that and WF stuff that was in turn greatly taken from the Fantasy being read around the time. I think getting to stuck up on the way the lore progressed is kind of silly. Cheers!
Just so you know the Watch Commander IS wearing modified Custodian gear. It's normal for deathwatch to take and modify not just gear from other imperial factions but xenos factions too.
You have to consider the position of the legs
8:10 Oh wow is that a Primaris Lieutenant!? I've never seen one of those before, must be such a rare unit.
Over three years ago.......it was.
You should look at the old dreadnughts that had twin bolters compared to the new ones they was tuned and well less amorured
Middle aged man here who decided to go back to 40K recently with 9th edition. The size difference is insane. Good business thinking though as it means those of us with armies full of the 'old stuff' will eventually have to replace them. They just do not look right on the tabletop with such differnt sizes; itis not just height but girth. It's a whole scale thing.
Yeah an update is due!!
I think the space marines were always way too short anyways, some of the old ones were shorter than some Imperial Guard minis, so I think the newer ones are great, but if you have an older army they will stand out and not match.
Great comparison video, loving the size creep. I was looking at little Mephiston the other day, he's so small now in comparison to the new minis.
cruorangelussilicis Thank you. Yeah I was trying to highlight that sizes have always been all over the place rather than oh Primaris are much bigger than everything else hehe.
Space Marine mini's were wrong since day one, due to resin / metal casting limitations? starting in 1986 etc..SOB GW...thanks for wasting all our modeling and painting time the past 30+ years...finally getting the size closer to true scale as per canon / lore...they better not F with the scale of Eldar, Imperium, Battel Sisters, regular soldiers humans' etc...Ork Boys etc forsure need a size update now? any word on that?
I'll just replace em all with true scale Primaris marines, cause the old marines look so small now.
+Bobo56Bear
I wouldn't say it's time wasted. The older models will just happen to be shorter, irl there are height differences between people too, would seem pretty normal for marines to have some variety of height.
@@Bobo56Bear they are doing with the imperium, look at the scions and now the voidsman in rogue trader, look at the leader in rogue trader, she is bigger than a primaris.
i like the new ones
You should have a Rogue Trader era beaky marine in this comparison video.
I still have mine from the 80s -- talk about a size difference! lol My local shop said it was cool to use them but I just needed to use them on a modern, larger base. :)
hey, where is the beakie rogue trader?
Henry the 9th Before my time young man.
Actually we must be similar age. The first marine on the left, I remember having five of them in the starter paint set, which had nine paints for less than £15.
Yeah, way smaller.
The Rogue Trader beakies were smaller, but mainly in armor bulkiness as well as their backpacks. However, they weren't that much shorter, as they were always semi-squatting, making them appear shorter than they were.
some DA Beakies in my armies :) see this youtube vid ruclips.net/video/pptTtpLEtLA/видео.html
Very cool to see, nice vid mate
I have both old and new termies too. Good models they are.
For a while i thought about getting some primaris to convert them into true scale chaos space marines but since i already have a lot of older space marine models i decided to just 3d print some longer legs and torsos for some of my models or use green stuff for others.
Great video👍 would watch again
In going to say one thing: we all have a golden miniature in our collection! :D
Primaris and Custodes look really cool together. Yeah Custodes are supposed to be bigger, but not *that* big compared to the classic marine. Either way both marine and custodes need to be much bigger than a human and they achieved that.
All of my space marines have Warriors of Chaos legs with the chainmail and the leather boots. THose legs make them taller so the new primaris marines just about match anyway. I'm glad I did that now haha
The watch captain is standing completely straight whereas the primaris is running, so if the primaris was stood straight, they would be taller. However, the watch captain is definitely very tall for a firstborn space marine.
RTB-01 the original space marines made from injected plastic are super tiny. all of them have a hunched stance as well that makes them a bit smaller in scale as well. Primaris are almost dreadnaught size compared to them
I think GW should put out a set of single pose marines that are in between the old/shorter type & the primaris/newer so armies can have a good mixture & the lore of SMs being different heights ( I remember a story where a SM captain thinks to himself that the SM he is looking @ is the tallest SM hes seen ) can be reflected. As it is players who have been around a while ( like myself ) wont have the smallest figures if we arent able to go out & buy multiple boxes of primaris marines ( though this is exactly what GW wants us to do ) . It is bad enough that GW is constantly putting out new rules average every 4 yrs which also means new codexs ( so every 4 yrs we all have to shell out approximately 75$ ). Personaly I think the 3rd ed rulebook had the right idea of including a mini codex for all the armies ( w/a couple of excetions ) & rules shouldnt be changed unless there is a major problem w/them as a few mo.ago I got the Dark Venngeance box set only to realize that the rules were no longer being used ( this is a prob especially when about 10yrs ago I had an employee @ a GW store pushing me to buy a codex when I bought a small starter force or chaos SMs only 2 have a new codex come out 2wks later, which he DID know was comming out). GW has ceased to be a Co. that was "Run By Gamers FOR Gamers" & turned into the worst type of money grubbing corporate assholes & its getting harder & harder to enjoy the game I got into in the late 80's. It's no wonder I scratch build all my vehicles & cast my own minis but thats out of neccessity, but finding out the new rules allow IG to fire lasguns @ a Leman Russ & actually damage it ( as they got rid of armor values ) just makes the game completley unrealistic. Anyone interested in working with me on creating a parody ruleset ( remember parody is LEGALY PROTECTED ) called HammerJammer 39,876 AD comment below. TY all for taking the time to read my little rant.
I think the watch Capt. is shorter than the Primaris. Its very close, but the Primaris is crouching.
Trogdor The Burninator It is very close but the Primaris isn't 'crouching' but walking forward, still that size difference between the watch master and space marine tho.
WH is getting cooler with every edition, cant convince me otherwise.
terminators used to have 3+ save on 2d6
lascannons had a -6 save modifier.
rolling 9+ on 2d6 wasn't to hard .. i'm just saying..
Catnium wow. What could kill them?
nice comparison
I'm pretty sure that Marines were meant to be 6 ft 6 to 8 foot tall with about another 6" for armour and Primarchs around 10ft tall. so at 5mm to the foot that gives 32.5 - 42.5 for an armoured Marine.
Even a "realistic" imperial guard unit would probably have guys ranging from 5 ft to 6 foot 6 just like people in the real world.
The problem is that nobody ever settled on a scale. I used to figure at about 1/48 for Guardsmen. That was way back in the mists of time and even then that was only working off height, not proportion , and very , very rough.I also figured 1/48 for the vehicles but, with Land Raider and Rhino being what they were, that was as much a fancy on my part as anything else. Accessories from 1/35 armored vehicles worked well after all,..
Now ? god knows.. certainly looks like some mission creep going on , LOL Does it matter though ?
interesting, i through they all looked bigger nowadays. I prefer the older smaller size still
I have marneous calgar in both arti armour and term armour and JEEEEEEEEEEz the size difference is huge. but as I remember the Primaris marines are only supposed to be reinforcement to chapters with a few exceptions to a few primaris chapters
I think that when used in game , size isn't that important. The figurines are like chess pieces , it's what they represent that counts.
Outside of the game, when simply used as figurines and nothing else, size matters. IMO the new Primaris are great looking models and the size makes for more detail and a more enjoyable painting experience. The resulting model is also more visually imposing , making for a more rewarding result.
Bigger sure. But what is it good for?
I would rather see more poseability & multipose kits with weapon shoulder and head options.
Ah the assault on black reach set. God how I hated the poses on these marines. Luckily I have enough parts now to strip them down and bring them up to today's standard. The dreadnought ended up a lot beefier using the spare parts from a proper dreadnought, he actually looks cool now. So to those who have these sets, don't dump them, try to convert them into some cool minis.
That watch-captain looks like justicar alaric of the grey knights chapter
They could have explained this away buy saying the new models are primaris marines but the old models are regular marines. But they have chosen not to do that.
Im happy with that.
I compare my minimarines to deathwatch marines , then with death guard marines , yeah they are making the gap between the normal Astartes and Primaris smaller , because one of the death guard literally is nearly the same height as a primaris , and deathwatch is also taller and closer to primaris marines
IDK man my minimarines are gonna feel like dwarfs after this :(
I guess im just gonna make them normal humans in power armour
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It's like the primary has brought their children to work. The children being the old models.
Year 2030: The Space Marines are now as big as a fucking Dreadnought.
Super Comparison Vid mate, Do you know off hand if the new larger Terminators fit on the 32mm base ? I'm a Rogue Trader era Space Hulk player and this is a bit of a nightmare TBH. Thanks
Mac Koole its possible but their feet may overlap
Oh oh! Do forgeworld primarch size comparisons!
Damn! that old termi look like junior compared to current terminator. Guess 1 day maybe in next 30 years or something we got space marines size of Knight, while some warlord or Imperator titan being size of...book shelf
GW are slowly creeping back to the 54mm scale minis used in the "Inquisitor" Specialist Game. That was the plan all along!
Thanks got they made Space Marines bigger than Imperial guards, because old Space Marines where even smaller than normal humans, it was about time they made more realistic scale marines.
Why didn't they just do a straight swap/upgrade and avoid the weird lore problems altogether? They would have sold more models to people replacing their SM armies for true scale (as pissed as they might be about it)
The issue with comparing anything from games workshop is that they use a sliding scale....so basically I doubt they even know the proper scale everything should be
Well characters like sanguinary priests and chaplains have special armour that might be bigger than normal armour
Just scale creep.
I think they made the new bigger marines but they still had lots of old stock, and all those new kits like deathwatch, blood angels, that were still popular. So they didn't want to hurt sales by releasing 'truescale'. ....i even think they did that little leak online to guage reaction. Then decided that they should make them Primaris so they could keep the old stock around for a while.
The original space marine where even smaller they also have a long dog face like head gear
I know they can be tainted and bloated by chaos but ahriman is huge and makes even his iwn rubricae look tiny and is bigver than terminators yet is in power armour
Nice video Sup3rSaiy3n, I do wonder if gw will ever transition completly over to primaris 'true scale' marines. Probably not in the near future but say 20-30 years from now.
Btw, I think the captain fourth on the left is from the 'assault on Black reach' starter set.
Noprob llama Probably, maybe they're gearing up for 20 more years of selling space marines.
Since if regular space marines were to scale they'd be the size of the primaris models and the primaris boys ought to be a full head or more taller.
Getting closer to true scale.
The gold on the Custodian is really nice and smooth! Could I ask what brand it is? :)
Games Workshop Retributor Armour Spray paint, I think.
Thank you! :)
Hello! Which kind of ship ist there the background?
Space Marines are like Orks, they get bigger over time until they become the boss.
Sup3er_sayian you are da best wish I could meet you in real life but I got a question can chaos space marines and normal space marines be on the same team?
dogeyboy 22 Thanks mate, that would be awesome. Unfortunately they are sworn enemies so can’t be on the same team or army.
Thank you a lot for this comparison brother, it is very very usefull. I think we will have to wait for FW to release the Cataphracti Custodes to compare them to the Gravis Primaris Captain which is kind of a Terminator Primaris for intents and purposes.
Just a quick question brother, do you know if FW products have a different height than the GW ones? I was thinking of comparing FW's MkIV or MkV kits vs other GW products like the Death Company Chaplain, Custodes and Sanguinary Priest.
What did you use for the Custodies cloak? I was thinking of doing them but I saw no cape and I did a nope right out of there and when crawling back to my Mechanicum and hoped they would take me back.
Honestly: The new Primaris marines ARE true scale, if they stop right now. Ofcourse, the size of the other armies need to stay as they where when I played (2003) for this to stay true. Honestly, I am thinking of returning to 40k painting only to create a army of only (modded) gravis armor space marines. That armor looks so cool... if you take away the unnecessary accessories (like the shoulderpads).
To ignore the lore is to ignore the complete universe these miniatures are set in. I have read the Primaris novels and how they are being integrated into current chapters. To replace the current range would need a drastic progression of the 40K universe. They are only 100 years into having Primaris in the lore so there aren't many around and they are not as battle-forged as the rest of the Space Marines.
Space Marines are the size they are because GW & FW choose them to be. Both continue to make miniatures for the two types. Where we go from here though is anyone's guess. They sold space marines (40K), then older space marines (HH) and now Primaris (40K+). Space Marines are their most popular money making army. They are not going to replace them overnight. Primaris are also expensive, we're almost taking FW prices now, which many hobbyists will not be able to afford. A lot of the models are funky looking too such as the Aggressors, Inceptors, the Repulsor and even the Astraeus. Although the Redemptor and Intercessors are cool. Model wise there are many more fantastic miniatures in the 'standard' space marine and Horus Heresy ranges.
If GW got rid of their biggest product line people would be disenfranchised and alienated because their collections would be pushed out and they would be expected to replace them with the bigger (not necessarily better) models. Leaving only the new hobbyists and early adopters of Primaris which would be insufficient to support the new range.
Well, I am talking purely from the perspective of model-building. Perhaps even writing a codex for my new chapter.
Do you think they will only produce Space Marines in the new scale? ie eventually everything on shelves today will be replaced soon?
Primaris jumppack guys are taller than normal primaris marines. Also you're referring to assault on black reach and not dark vengeance
Silver Ah right because they lack the DA symbols. I think the Inceptors are the same size, eye level that is, not including the hood, they're in the same armour. Not being picky 😊
Thanks for this! I’m brainstorming some kitbash designs - specifically the Deathwatch Killteam arms/weapons on Primaris bodies (probably with some minor resculpting). Do you think it’d work, or are they too different in scale?
Damn shame they went with the armour they did, I prefer the older models to the new primaris marines
With the price they're now charging I think it's right they're getting bigger
if they ever created a frogmen for us civilians to become a space marine i would so apply for it !
what are they in MM? i am looking at unoficall stuff for weapons and bits and i don't know what size they are (not primarus they don't exist in my DIY successor yet) and i don't know what size to get
And then we have Death Guard.
So how did the new primaris space marines get upskilled and more experienced than the other space marines some of which have been in constant battle for centuries >