He did it. He covered every single roman in existence during the mid to late republic and now he has no choice other than talk about the big names everyone already knows
@@Jauhl1wym “hardly known”? All of these dudes are hardly known outside of studying them besides Julius Caesar and maybe Crassus and Pompey. And even then if you studied Pompey you’d know of gnaeus and sextus
@@TriuneWorshipper Yes, that is what I wrote? I assume Daniel thought the video regarded Pompey himself, and that Thersites was down to Roman A-tier bios.
You should do one on Gaius Julius Caesar... no, not that one, the other one... No, no, the other other one... Gotta love Roman naming conventions. Keep up the good work!
That is something that I hope to do at some point. I might do something about Pontus more broadly though. Up to this point, I have only presented them as opponents of the Romans and others.
@@ThersitestheHistorianPontic history before Roman would be cool, especially their dealing with Bithynian and Galatian as well as somewhat embrace of hellenization
Gnaeus Pompeius (and later on his little bro, Sextus) were essentially the Pompeian equivalents to Octavian; those who were young men with a fire inside them, but unlike with Octavian who used that fire to build upon the foundations set out by his forebears, instead Gnaeus wasted it all pathetically due to his temper and rash behaviour, whereas his brother Sextus didn’t bring his war fleet to its fullest fighting potential which was the main reason he had become such a rival to Octavian in the first place.
@@TriuneWorshipper There's certainly been a revival of interest in this unusual figure in recent decades but we suffer in not having a contemporary source for his career and having to rely on later writers like Plutarch and Appian.
I have been wanting to learn more about Sextus Pompeius for a while. I need to access more sources covering the Second Triumvirate era. There is a chance that I will be able to visit an academic library next month and find some stuff about Sextus Pompeius Magnus Pius.
@@ThersitestheHistorian There's a recent book on numismatic history of the Civil War/Augustan period by a scholar called Clare Rowan which might be a good way to approach *The Beloved of Neptune*.
In Coleen McCullough's novels about Republican Rome she has this family as being essentially Gallic (Celtic) as they hailed from an area of Le Marche where a Gallic tribe had settled in previous centuries - the Galli Senones whose name is perpetuated in the name of the port of Sinegallia in modern Italy. She even has Pompey senior whooping in the Gallic fashion! Actually Picenum means "land of the woodpecker" as this was the totemic bird of the Picentine people.
@@ThersitestheHistorian Not necessarily. I don't know what evidence McCullough had for making the Pompey family Gallic except for the fact that they hailed from an area occupied by the Galli Senones. I think she was just adding a bit of color into her historical fiction - and probably more importantly as she herself was a red haired Australian of Irish extraction , she was putting a little of her own ethnic heritage into her novels! I found her novels absolutely riveting but this opinion is not shared by many others - a classics professor I knew thought they were absolutely appalling in all aspects -literary and historical.
Can't wait for Sextus. Managed to hold Sicily for 6 years and could have leveraged it into a more lasting career if he was more politically savvy. Love that anecdote during negotiations with the Triumvirs about his personal assistant offering to murder them after he made a deal with them, and Sextus berating him for not just doing it without his knowledge to avoid the dishonor of immediately breaking an oath. Kinda wild in retrospect that he honored that deal instead of just taking the whole pot for himself.
I am also looking forward to Sextus, but I will need to get access to more scholarship covering the Second Triumvirate era. Also, there are two other men named Sextus Pompeius that we need to discuss in addition to Pompey's second son.
@@ThersitestheHistorian All in due time. Your series has completely changed how I think about Rome. Really enjoy the idea of looking at history more through "side characters" instead of just "main characters."
Assholes who lead men into death for their own and family ambitions. And that's why they dying republic can teach people a lot of human and political nature.
What a time period of the Roman Republic! The timeline of these amazing historic figures. You have Marius,Sulla,Pompey,Crassus,Caesar,Antony then Agustus! I know there were civil wars in these periods,but there was still had to be vast amounts of gold & silver these men were bringing back to Rome! The Selucids & the Ptolemys kingdoms fell to these men. And Pontus as well. But Rome left their back door open to the Parthians. The decades these Roman commanders were in power represents one of the biggest cultural & political changes in the ancient world. I dont think we see anything on this scale again until the 6th century with the Islamic invasions under Muhammad. Always good to see you upload new videos!
That will be happening this summer. I need to read Kosmin's The Land of the Elephant Kings, but otherwise, I have most of the information I need to do it.
@@ThersitestheHistorian That’s awesome man. Don’t get me wrong, I’ll be watching/listening either way lol I also understand it takes a lot of work to create quality content so I appreciate what you do, my friend. Thanks for the reply!
He did it. He covered every single roman in existence during the mid to late republic and now he has no choice other than talk about the big names everyone already knows
This is Gnaeus Pompeius, Pompey's son. hardly a big name outside Romaboo's circles.
@@Jauhl1wym “hardly known”? All of these dudes are hardly known outside of studying them besides Julius Caesar and maybe Crassus and Pompey. And even then if you studied Pompey you’d know of gnaeus and sextus
Nah. He has so many more to cover.
@@TriuneWorshipper Yes, that is what I wrote? I assume Daniel thought the video regarded Pompey himself, and that Thersites was down to Roman A-tier bios.
I still have around a dozen minor figures from era of the First Triumvirate and Caesar's Civil War before I have to turn to the household names.
Brand new Thersites video? Very Gnaeus!
You should do one on Gaius Julius Caesar... no, not that one, the other one... No, no, the other other one...
Gotta love Roman naming conventions.
Keep up the good work!
We aren't that far into the timeline to see a video on Gaius Julius Caesar, no, no, the one other other other one, the one with the tiny boots.
Everyone who ever took the name Augustus
like the multiple videos he has about Tiberius Simpronius Gracchus, just not THAT Tiberius Simpronius Gracchus.
Just wait until I start covering Roman women. Their naming conventions are plain confusing.
Publius Cornelius is a real popular one as well.
Mithradates VI of Pontus, The Poison King, would be dope. Thanks for all the content!
Has he already done one on his son Pharnases II? (not sure if I spelled that correctly)
That is something that I hope to do at some point. I might do something about Pontus more broadly though. Up to this point, I have only presented them as opponents of the Romans and others.
@@ThersitestheHistorian I'll be looking forward to that! He's definitely worth doing, tons to work with!
@@ThersitestheHistorianPontic history before Roman would be cool, especially their dealing with Bithynian and Galatian as well as somewhat embrace of hellenization
Gnaeus Pompeius (and later on his little bro, Sextus) were essentially the Pompeian equivalents to Octavian; those who were young men with a fire inside them, but unlike with Octavian who used that fire to build upon the foundations set out by his forebears, instead Gnaeus wasted it all pathetically due to his temper and rash behaviour, whereas his brother Sextus didn’t bring his war fleet to its fullest fighting potential which was the main reason he had become such a rival to Octavian in the first place.
I wish there was more English writing on sextus. My Latin isn’t nearly good enough to feasibly read enough as I’d like about the guy.
@@TriuneWorshipper
There's certainly been a revival of interest in this unusual figure in recent decades but we suffer in not having a contemporary source for his career and having to rely on later writers like Plutarch and Appian.
I have been wanting to learn more about Sextus Pompeius for a while. I need to access more sources covering the Second Triumvirate era. There is a chance that I will be able to visit an academic library next month and find some stuff about Sextus Pompeius Magnus Pius.
@@ThersitestheHistorian
There's a recent book on numismatic history of the Civil War/Augustan period by a scholar called Clare Rowan which might be a good way to approach *The Beloved of Neptune*.
He said he be pumping out new videos and he's proving it.
Let's hope it's not another pump and dump.
Yes he is and it's awesome
Wake up babe, new Thersites video on the Late Roman Republic
Gnaeus held the high ground and it was all over for him.
In the end it was a hopelessly uneven fight.
I don't know. The battle raged for several hours, which is an unusually long time for an ancient battle.
Thanks for sharing this with us!
In Coleen McCullough's novels about Republican Rome she has this family as being essentially Gallic (Celtic) as they hailed from an area of Le Marche where a Gallic tribe had settled in previous centuries - the Galli Senones whose name is perpetuated in the name of the port of Sinegallia in modern Italy. She even has Pompey senior whooping in the Gallic fashion! Actually Picenum means "land of the woodpecker" as this was the totemic bird of the Picentine people.
Is McCullough pro-Caesar, perhaps?
@@ThersitestheHistorian Not necessarily. I don't know what evidence McCullough had for making the Pompey family Gallic except for the fact that they hailed from an area occupied by the Galli Senones. I think she was just adding a bit of color into her historical fiction - and probably more importantly as she herself was a red haired Australian of Irish extraction , she was putting a little of her own ethnic heritage into her novels! I found her novels absolutely riveting but this opinion is not shared by many others - a classics professor I knew thought they were absolutely appalling in all aspects -literary and historical.
Correction, Julius Caesar and Neius did not bed Cleopatra. CLEOPATRA bedded THEM. This is Cleopatra we're talking about here, after all. 7:17
You're right. Cleopatra was probably the aggressor, especially with Antony.
I always forget he threatened to murder Cicero because Cicero gave up. Absolutely wild.
Can't wait for Sextus. Managed to hold Sicily for 6 years and could have leveraged it into a more lasting career if he was more politically savvy. Love that anecdote during negotiations with the Triumvirs about his personal assistant offering to murder them after he made a deal with them, and Sextus berating him for not just doing it without his knowledge to avoid the dishonor of immediately breaking an oath. Kinda wild in retrospect that he honored that deal instead of just taking the whole pot for himself.
I am also looking forward to Sextus, but I will need to get access to more scholarship covering the Second Triumvirate era. Also, there are two other men named Sextus Pompeius that we need to discuss in addition to Pompey's second son.
@@ThersitestheHistorian All in due time. Your series has completely changed how I think about Rome. Really enjoy the idea of looking at history more through "side characters" instead of just "main characters."
Many thanks , great !!
What a generation of men!!!
Assholes who lead men into death for their own and family ambitions. And that's why they dying republic can teach people a lot of human and political nature.
This is an accurate and appropriately neutral observation.
Good gods, it's.... Oh wait, Just his son .... Magnulus.
What a time period of the Roman Republic! The timeline of these amazing historic figures. You have Marius,Sulla,Pompey,Crassus,Caesar,Antony then Agustus! I know there were civil wars in these periods,but there was still had to be vast amounts of gold & silver these men were bringing back to Rome! The Selucids & the Ptolemys kingdoms fell to these men. And Pontus as well. But Rome left their back door open to the Parthians. The decades these Roman commanders were in power represents one of the biggest cultural & political changes in the ancient world. I dont think we see anything on this scale again until the 6th century with the Islamic invasions under Muhammad. Always good to see you upload new videos!
Seleucid tier list??
That will be happening this summer. I need to read Kosmin's The Land of the Elephant Kings, but otherwise, I have most of the information I need to do it.
OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG I was waiting a long time for something like this!!! Thank you Sir!
Now on to the big fish
Not so fast, there are still a dozen or so interesting figures from this particular period who are worthy of being treated.
I'm glad to see the Big T churning out videos again
I was already listening to a podcast about Pompey when I got the notification for this... GET OUT OF MY MIND THERSITES
I hereby dedicate this video to you, then.
Love the Bibi Pic when talking about losing support. Good job sir.
Came for OJ, wasn't disappointed.
Hey Gneus. The people in Alexandria said your Dad looks like Barney Rubble. Gneus goes Caracalla on them.
Better than the BBC. Thanks.
Great video, although i miss the old thersites "hit-here-to" pronunciation
Sextus was the better of the brothers that's for sure
I definitely would have said that prior to making this video. Now, I'm not as sure since I will have to consider the scope of Sextus' achievements.
@@ThersitestheHistorian looking forward to the vid. Thanks for all your work
😂 44:00 brilliant image choice
I’m not criticizing, I think this channel is phenomenal… but is it rude to ask for some better audio?
My sister is planning to help me with my setup at some point this summer.
@@ThersitestheHistorian That’s awesome man. Don’t get me wrong, I’ll be watching/listening either way lol I also understand it takes a lot of work to create quality content so I appreciate what you do, my friend.
Thanks for the reply!
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