Her and Immortal were pissing me off😒. Immortal is just jealous that Invincible is superior to him in every way and that his projecting his issues with Omni-Man onto Mark😒
Thats not fair, I believe Kate experiences every death, every time she is grabbed, ripped apart, limbs broken she feels that, every time she’s afraid she feels that, (The best real world example I can think of is if someone being Tortured or held captive know their captures won’t kill them for whatever reason but will hurt them.) That feeling and stress of it makes people beg for death and yet for the most part we see Kate continue to press forward. Yeah as long as Kate hides 1 away she won’t die but that doesn’t mean she doesn’t suffer, it doesn’t mean her fear and pain is any less than someone elses. (So someone survives being Tortured/Captive for weeks/months/years on end and someone else says yeah they tortured you but they never wanted to kill you but they shot me and Im only alive because rescue team showed up in the nick of time so you don’t really understand fear) Its kind of a shit way to minimize Kates Trauma
I really liked this episode. Showing Cecil's backstory puts things into perspective and it also shows how hard was for him, and still is, to put his morals aside for the greater good and making extremely tough decisions. Great reaction as always!
14:40 to be fair he went to help the ant people and then later found out his dad lured him there and basically forced his hand to help him save his little brother and the other ants.
Counter point: Why is he going off planet to help another world on the other side of the galaxy? Cecil was right, it's not Earth problem at best, and at worst, it's a trap. Mark has a heart, but he rarely uses his brain. At times it's his best trait and the reason his father spared Earth, but then you have situations like when he basically doomed the multiverse with Angstrom Levy.
@ true, I think Mark just thought he needed to save them to prove to mainly himself he wasn’t becoming his dad, and his friend basically encouraged him to help them as well, so yeah he went against Cecil’s orders which was dumb. And my point mainly was Cecil was saying Mark left Earth to help his mass murdering dad when in actuality he just wanted to save the bug people, but I don’t think Cecil was wrong to call Mark out on it though for helping his dad after nonetheless.
@@juice6521 That's a terrible counterpoint. The right thing to do is save people when you can - it's irrelevant how far away they are in the universe. They came to him for help, he's just supposed to let millions die because Cecil wants him on earth just in case? Nah.
The way they presented both sides of the argument between Mark and Cecil. I can fully understand both sides of the argument. They are both right and wrong played an equal part in escalating the situation.
@@sirmel11mark has proven two times once against his dad and once against annissa (idk if that’s how you spell it) that he’ll lay his life on the line for earth and to do whats right but Cecil still punishes him with distrust for the actions of his father so he feels betrayed by that and I mean Cecil “employing” the guy who kidnapped marks best friend and tortured that guys boyfriend obviously didn’t help but I think it’s mostly that Cecil went about explaining and de-escalating very poorly and kind of expects everyone to trust what he says without questioning but never reciprocates that trust to anybody at all (this might’ve been a bit of a ramble in very tired)
The only things I have against Cecil is violating Mark's consent as a patient by putting the implant in his head, and bringing him down the first time he flies away. Mark conveniently forgets his great power gives him the most responsibility in conflicts with others. I know one of Mark's flaws is being a hothead, but he should know to back off when someone says he is scaring them.
@@Mayan_88694 How many times does Cecil have to tell Mark to go home? Mark could have read the room once Cecil said it’s for his protection. “Whoa I’m sorry Cecil, didn’t mean to scare you like that. Let’s sit down, please.” That’s all Mark had to do. If you understand power dynamics well, you know Mark has all the power here.
@ he told them to go home once, and mark had nothing to apologize for because he did nothing wrong. Mark does have self control, but his patience has limits, mark was rightfully mad at Cecil for employing criminals instead of giving them the punisher treatment. And you also conveniently ignore that Cecil planted a sonic device inside mark s’ head without his consent.
@@Mayan_88694 My original comment talks about the device, I agree it's messed up. Mark can be mad that Cecil lied about Sinclaire and Darkwing by omission, but reforming criminals is nothing new. How many times has Mark been around felons in the real world? Also, Mark wanted them in prison, not killed lol. Mark's hypocrisy is even pointed out by Cecil. He helped OmniMan last season. Why can't these 2 be reformed? Who made Mark the judge, jury, and executioner? Once they're in the white room, Cecil gives Mark many opportunities to stop scaring him, but Mark refuses to leave and continues to approach Cecil. I think Mark is reverting to that first interaction with his mother when he said "Make me [go to my room.]" He knows Cecil can't make him leave, so he feels entitled to his demands no matter how misguided.
Likewise, I'm team Mark, but I totally get Cecil's argument. I love it when a story can proved an equal good and bad argument from different perspectives.
Really? 'Cause if Cecil listened to Mark and didn't have Darkwing and Sinclair, they all would've perished underground. Mark doesn't get to play victim when he's who chased Cecil down and picked a fight with the guy who has helped him train and had literally just rescued him.
@mahad813 No it wasn't. Mark chased him there. Cecil told him to go home SEVERAL times. Mark kept arguing even after Cecil said he was scared... Mark refused to back down.
Season 3 Episode 2 of Invincible is the best episode of the first 3 episodes released🔥 Showing Cecil's backstory was a great option and perfect storytelling to parallel Mark's morals!
@mojtaba1960 Same and since I know what's coming due to the Title Card glithing on, I can't wait for Episode 7 and 8 for the War and Mr Ten Times worse😰
I don't think Cecil forgot how he felt about working with criminals as you mentioned a couple of times, I think that he was shown through his own experience that looking at things in such a black and white way doesn't make any sense when you're in the position of being in charge of the earth's defence. He was sent to prison to both punish and rehabilitate. He got there and all the criminals were fighting and killing each other. Within 3 years Cecil had seemingly made them all civil and not fighting. So he saw with his own eyes that reform is a thing that can be done, and now applies that to his work. And let's not forget that if he didn't do that, all of those heroes would now be dead at the hands of Doc Seismic. Looking forward to watching the rest of the season with you gals 😊
The thing is that if the viltrumites come earth is fkced. Maybe Cecil was not exactly elegant in his way, but he has to do SOMETHING. He can't just hope that Mark alone can protect earth from them.
I feel like a big issue people don't tend to touch is that his forms are absolutely fucked even when we look under that lenses. Why? Simple, you don't want to infuriate what is effectively your best bet for the protection of the earth, while also losing basically the best counter-measure you had if he gets out of control, wich could be the case after you basically tortured him lol. In any perspective on the matter, Cecil was incredibly negligent by how he managed the situation.
This episode went from 100 to 300 real quick. I'm team Mark, but I get totally get where Cecil is coming from. So I can't knock him. One must always have contingency plans. Appreciate the sensible and nuanced discussions/takes you ladies have regarding morally gray/ambiguous stories like this. It's what makes this channel so awesome 🤗😊
I really like that they made it to where you can understand where everyone is coming from. It’s not black and white. I love the new background you ladies have setup by the way! Fits the vibe well 🩷
I understand Cecil wanting to have counter measures but i just find his decisions in this episode idiotic. He pushes Mark to get violent. Mark tries to get away and Cecil still wouldn't let him go. He still tries to act tough with the "don't ever threaten me" line. He pissed away the planet's strongest person.
Mark tried to run the moment he realised he couldn’t win but before he was all in his face…don’t make excuses for the boy who always gets his ass kicked cuz of how soft he is.
100% Team Cecil all day every day. Mark can’t just strong arm people and do things his way all the time just because he doesn’t like someone or something doesn’t go his way. He’s literally one of if not the least experienced hero we’ve seen in the show, yet he thinks he knows better than people who have been doing this for decades or more?
That’s not strong arming, it’s called not being a pushover, Cecil doesn’t hesitate to throw people under the bus the moment they’re no longer useful to him, and mark had every right to be angry at the fact Cecil employed criminals like Sinclair.
It’s not strong arming, having decades of experience doesn’t mean you get a pass to do shady things behind everyone s back. Cecil claims to believe mark is not his father yet he plants a sonic device in mark s head without his consent out of pure paranoia, how is that helping his cause? He is also in the wrong for having people like Sinclair, who experimented on other people. Mark had every right to snap at Cecil.
hey, just wanted to say I love the goofy reactions, i live by myself ( recently moved out) so I don’t have anyone to watch with and this channel has kind of been like watching with older siblings 🐳 Stay safe 👍
What's crazy is Cecil says "Go Home" Mark starts to run away, and then Cecil is like "Actually stay here" Dude doesn't know what he's doing in this scene. Sure come up with your little counter measures, but don't whip it out over a heated argument. That's the doomsday button for if Mark turns evil, not a dog collar. He got one use out of it and he wasted it, alienating Mark, Eve, and half the guardians in the process. Regardless of your opinion on the original argument, you gotta admit Cecil fucked up. Now he's basically left to hope Mark and his brother stay loyal to earth and prepare for the coming threats themselves.
I am sure Rudy didn't take the implant off after seeing what Mark is capable of (the guardians literally broke like 5 or 6 reanimen together, what Mark took seconds to destroy them all). I understand Cecil, he knew Mark was pissed of after the first usage of the implant (he said to Mark go home before he used he implant), so he was worried Mark would do something stupid, what he did when he got the Guardians involved
Keep in mind that Oliver is a straight up alien and he is aging and was able to get his powers much faster than Mark. Not to mention his Viltrumite genes being his more dominant DNA pretty much overtakes his Thraxan genes and trust me you'll understand why as the series progresses as it relates to his physical appearance. Also because of his Viltrumite side Oliver naturally has more blood thirsty impulses but maybe with him being raised by humans primarily by Debbie, it'll mold him to be more empathetic towards humans and their lives in general.
Main question from this episode.. did Donald just tough he had insane genetics so he couldnt age or they kept changing the year he was born in his memory? 😂
I think looking at the fact Nolan was on earth 20 yrs and they have no affective countermeasures proves just how powerful and dangerous Viltrumites are. So when Cecil finds something that works his first thought may have been to put it in the kid in a just in case situation. Hoping to never need it. We as the audience know Mark will never become a villain like his alternate selfs but Cecil is a person in the world who has to assess a situation and realize as much as I may trust Mark and believe he is a good kid I need to be prepared in a worst case scenario because we never know what can change in someone's life and send them over the deepend (you could be friends with someone for 30 yrs been friends since 10 yrs old and maybe that friend loses a their spouse and child in a car accident, while they were the one behind the wheel, you’re also injured from the accident which leads to loss of job and that sends them over the edge and they go postal) hope it never happens but most people never notice signs until its too late but for Cecil its worst if Mark goes over the end he could level a city in a few mins. And if I didn't believe they would never allow Mark to go evil I would say Mark is scary and he only a inch from going over the edge and turning into “Injustice Superman”
Hopes he never needs it...uses it at the first instance he gets. That was super dumb on his part lol. That should be a one off thing to be used like a nuke if Mark actually turned evil and not as a leash for Cecil's own selfish obsession on control otherwise he would get it removed eventually just like how we saw in the episode so instead of letting him destroy the re-animen and let him cool off or exhaust himself there, he instantly plays his trump card and loses it because he can't fathom not being the one in charge and now he has nothing against him and he burned bridges completely. On top of it he lost authority over half the Guardians so good job Cecil...still a fantastic character though love him.😂
@@soundwave2481 what if mark is minded controlled should he just kill Mark or have something that can immobilize him, and Cecil talks about rehabilitate so why would he instant kill. Its may be about control with Cecil to minimize threats but Mark is the strongest person on the planet he was aggressive and wouldn't come down. A real-world example could be a 6'5 man screaming at his 5'0 ft girlfriend and she tells him leave your sacring me and he like please wouldn't hit you, but she keeps asking him to leave and he keeps getting closer not if she grabs a weapon and hits him. End of the day Cecil isn't perfect but Mark needs to understand you have the power to destroy the planet over night and if you choose to no one could stop you, you need to approach people with the understanding that although you may never kill intentionally, he has lost control and he could be 1 bad day away for becoming his dad
The moment Cecil told Mark he was scaring him he should've backed down and tried a calmer approach. Mark is too emotional and egotistical, he never stopped to think about what was going on. He just wanted to have his way and wasn't listening to reason at all. I mean the very thing he is mad about is what saved him and every other hero like an hour ago.
Yeah, that kinda felt like bad writing 😅 "Hey, Cecil. HOW DARE YOU SAVE ME USING BAD PEOPLE!?" 🤷🏾♂️ It's also a huge character flaw he frames it as Cecil attacked him... Also, Cecil was right. He was chilling alongside Nolan despite his body count is abominable
@@AndresGomez-ct7qb Mark literally told Nolan to uuck off until he realized he had a little brother and then they were attacked. He's putting off his decision towards Nolan because he's no longer around while Cecil refused to explain anything, had no intentions of compromising nor telling Mark anything that would relax him, taunted him with half truths and insults, and wasted his "contingency" by making it a shock collar. Mark may have been scaring Cecil by yelling, but he's 19 and has trusted Cecil with all his feelings and looked for advice to him. We see Mark deliberate and understand why Cecil has felt the way he did, as he always does when anything happens, Cecil refused to do the same and not only pushed Mark and half the guardians away, but momentarily made him consider having a harsher line in battle, all things he's afraid of or doesn't want, ALL HIS fAULT. "We can be the good guys, or be the ones to save the world", but the good guys apparently aren't allowed to do that if cecil disagrees, when he KNOWS its immoral and good guys would disagree.
@darknessknows1235 That's a lie. Mark barely confronted Nolan and didn't even want to go back to earth... Cecil literally got people to save Mark and the rest's lives and got threatened for it by the person he's been helping train. Twist it every which way you want, but Nolan is infinitely worse than either Sinclair or Darkwing and Mark forgave Nolan, so... 🤷🏾♂️
@@AndresGomez-ct7qbexcept it was Cecil who lead up to the white room and sent the reanimen on him, he also planted a device in mark s’ head without his consent. It was Cecil who started this
This was easily the best episode of the series because the complexity of the dilema and i get Cecil's i really do but i'm 100% on Mark's side here, because Cecil is and has been a hypocrite and honestly kinda dumb towards Mark since forever. Mark has been through hell and back just to show to everybody that he's not like his dad that he's not a monster, yet no matter how good Mark was or what he did to Cecil that never mattered, he looked at him as nothing else other than the son of a murderer, Cecil talks about how Mark killed Levi when he knows the dude was mentally broken and he couldn't be reasoned with but again Cecil doesn't care about how it happened only that it DID happened, Mark crossing the line and killing somebody i mean. What makes it worse is that Cecil brings actual pychos and murderers and pretend like it's no big deal, that there's no need to worry about them and yet he constantly doubts Mark and tried to find ways to get rid of him only because Cecil can't control him, that's the real issue here, if you are not under Cecil's control then you are immediatly a threath to him no matter how good of a person you are
"he looked at him as nothing else other than the son of a murderer" this logic would work if this was the real world, instead of a world with aliens with different ways of thought, as shown by thraxxans, and the part in the same scene making it an explicit point to note that if nolan were human his mannerisms would indicate lying... but different aliens have different trains of thought, for all they know, only having experienced nolan, oliver and omniman, anissa and knowing how the universe see's viltrumites... it's a fair bet to worry about violence being part of their nature... and in a world where there are beings capable of literal mind control who could use him as a weapon, imagine someone took over your mind and forced you to tear apart everyone you cared about? wouldn't you want them to have contingency's against you even if they trust you? and even if there wasn't mind control there's still no promise someone won't snap, as cecil said "bad guys can reform, and good guys can forget what they're fighting for" and good guys can snap, you understand how much precautions are placed on nukes? it's a damn lot. now imagine that nuke but bigger and in the control of an emotionally unstable and traumatized teenager full of hormones and without much life experience. if you hypothetically had the singular key to a nuke and i introduce you to a teenager with emotional issues, hormones, daddy issues, and way, way more who's already shown he can compromise his morals if he gets angry enough... would you trust him with that key?
Marks a crash out like Cecil said he's the biggest hypocrite when it comes to his dad and himself. For example why did he kill so many Paul duplicates with no hesitation when Mark can just over power them, grab Rex and fly in the air? I'm on team Cecil for now. Cecil hasn't sacrifice or killed any heros, he just uses people that use to be bad save the world.
Cecil just escalated at every step. You'd think as an older (and wiser) person he would be able to communicate to them more effectively. Or come up with some compromise.
Did he? He told Mark to leave and said he was scaring him. Also, Mark conveniently overlooked Cecil using Darkwing and Sinclair literally saved all their lives 😅
The only person deescalating was Cecil. Why are people excusing Mark being a literal child in this situation. Super emotional and not listening to reason
@@lee-cl8td You guys really did forget that mark is in his so called "superpower puberty", what any teenager would feel the need to hear their opinion mattered the most. The older supposed wiser cecil goad even more of the young mind filled with hormonal imbalance just to prove a point. Of course mark will voice his dissatisfaction of the result in the reanimen being used, didn't we see in the first episode when mark goes bowling with will and rick. Doesn't that trigger him of what has happened to his friend.
@@lee-cl8td You don't de-escalate by showing more force. He also put a bomb in his head. Anyone is capable of picking up a gun and shooting people, should we let Cecil put bombs/chips in all our heads?
Cecil makes the decisions nobody else has the balls to make. Yes sometimes they’re unethical and yes he went to far putting that thing in Mark but in his position he can’t take any chances. I didnt think Mark would kill Cecil but he was certainly escalating the situation just as much
@@ajstyles5143 I don't think Cecil thinks Mark *wants* to kill him, but he has seen first hand what the viltrumite equivalent of a temper tantrum looks like.
i understand immortal and kate’s pain, but they are always on the wrong side of every argument and it boils down to: immortal’s beef with omni man and: kate’s ego against rex
Cecil went way too far here. Mark never gave him a single reason to think he could attack him. Now it’s another story however, but only because of what Cecil did imo.
Isn't what Cecil doing with the villains the same thing that Amanda Waller does with the Suicide Squad? That makes it tough to agree with Mark although I understand his viewpoint.
i do think people can be reformed, but you just suddenly take out of the prision murderers saying they'll repay for what they have done? im pretty sure it does not work that way, especially for Sinclair that pretty sure does not care about saving lives
Honestly I was on Cecil's side..until the implant, at that point it was too much. I would've even been ok with some kind of speaker weapon, there's the argument that that wasn't just for Mark..but for any Viltrumite invaders. But putting a torture device inside of Mark while he's unconscious...there's no defending that. At that point he lost pretty much any chance he had of de-escalating the situation, and if he's as smart as he's portrayed he should have known that before he hit the button.
There is defending that. Mark was legitimately threatening Cecil. The amount of times Cecil told Mark to go home, or that he was scaring him... Then Mark gets angry Cecil won't just let himself be bullied despite the fact that, if Cecil did what Mark said and not used Sinclair or Darkwing, they would've all lost their lives. Also, when Mark ran away he was just getting the implant removed so he could presumably just fulfill his threat 😅
With so much that happened in this episode Mark and Eve' finally getting togather didn't seem as important as everything else that had happened. Also I think 99% of viewers knew that thay were going to end up togather at some point.. However given what's coming up they are probably never going to get a honeymoon phase of a relationship so we'll have to see how strong it grows.
@@elaiq359 Eve's never had good luck in love. She's never felt parental unconditional love. She never had a chance with her birth mother and siblings. Her best friend for years ditched her And Rex who said he loved her kept cheating on her. So i can see why she'd be a bit worried because she feels alot of love for Mark. If this relationship goes away in flames she'll be hurting bad.
So much discussion in the comments for a 19 year old MC. What wise decisions were you making when you were 19? On the other hand... Also, Viltrumites are shown to have anger issues. One day Mark get angry and destroys everything... we can only watch I guess... right Mark?
having read the invincible comics, unless they change things, cecil can be an idiot. I can understand both sides. Mark can be hard headed, but the thing i have against cecil is as old and most the time as smart as he is, he goats mark way too much to get a reaction out of him, not exactly something you would do to keep someone on your side.
Loved your discussion at the end. I knew I could always trust you guys to have very sensible takes... But man, Mark can be so frustrating at times. Literally one track mind. No nuance. And Cecil is getting a bit too jaded. Idk I feel bad for everyone
Like his mother said, a 19 year old boy, who knew nothing but his own perception. Of course he would have a strong-headed opinion and felt righteous doing so. We as the viewer who sees everything will have a different perspective than what Mark would perceive. Yes it is very frustrating to see Mark being stubborn but this is Mark's journey and we will follow along the ups and downs of his world.
Naw I'm with Cecil on this he's in charge of keeping the planet safe, there's a threat of a Viltrimite threat coming Mark showed he was powerless against the older stronger Viltrimite so he's just trying to help Mark by giving him more backup, and he was right for putting the device in him I mean just look at Mark throwing his weight around against anyone who disagrees with him. We forget Mark is still 19 he's a teenager who knows what it would take to make him go Darkside when he's willing to threaten Cecil's life so easily because he's not doing what Mark said. Those other Heroes don't understand what his mentor told him "you can either be the good guy or the guy who saves the world, you can't be both." I mean hell even Batman kept counter measures for if Superman and the other heroes ever go dark side.
@@GofSmoke17 Cecil is at fault to an extent, but don't forget the last Viltrumite Cecil trusted to protect Earth. You'd be insane not to have at least 12 counter measures in place after that.
@juice6521 his not wrong for the counter measures, I agree with them. It's just that he used them way too quickly for no real reason, and in doing so, look what happened: He lost marks trust and The guardian of the globe broke up 🤷♂️
I didnt even need Cecil's back story to be on his side. No matter how many lives Mark has saved. If the super human that can wipe out an entire city with a sneez tells me "im no the one whos gonna get hurt" then the weapon in his head he got so mad about was a good idea
Cecil was totally the one who attacked first tho, Mark might’ve been aggressive, but he had a right to be considering the people Cecil told him were behind bars were working with him.
@@nosir7882 You mean the people who saved his life? Cecil told Mark to go home several times, and he even said Mark was scaring him... You can't try to intimidate people into doing what you want only to play victim when it doesn't go your way
@@nosir7882 Could you tell me where did Cecil attacked first? Non of the robots even attacked him first. They were there to stop Mark from getting closer, Mark was the one that went ape shit and destroyed them. Cecil had the trigger on him the whole time but he didnt use it until he saw Mark wasnt going to stop acting like a little bitch.
28:54 THANK YOU, SAM Mark confronted Cecil and kept pressing him after Cecil said he was afraid. How many times did Cecil say "Go home."? But then Mark says "When Cecil attacked me." maaaan, pleas 🤦🏾♂️🙄
I'm confused on how Mark is right at all, being upset is one thing & completely fair. But he literally abuses his powers to get what he thinks is right & freaks out when that doesn't happen, not realising that he is legitimately a threat.
Yup. Cecil told him to go home SEVERAL times, but he picked a fight and then wants to tell his mom and Eve "When Cecil attacked me" 😂😂 Also, Cecil only used Sinclair and Darkwing to literally save their lives... I don't know. The writing feels incredibly forced conflict type
@@AndresGomez-ct7qb Exactly, I'm lowkey confused on whether they want the audience to agree with Mark or not because it seems so forced/skewed to see his side but Cecil was valid in everything he did After the fact as well when he told others, he framed Cecil as the villain. That was frustrating to watch
@@terryqokov6999 Seems they do want us to empathize with Mark. And from this comment section, it seems people are as suggestible as ever 😅 To me it comes across as Mark is a brat.
I don't know if it's because I have reader PoV, but I completely empathise with Cecil. I don't think Mark is taking this situation as seriously as he should be. He still thinks he can continue playing hero and boyfriend/family man while there's potentially a galaxy spanning empire of millions of soldiers on par with him physically who are coming to take over the planet. I get that he's frustrated that Cecil has an army of zombie people and an ex-con on his payroll, but really, he needs to grow up.
@@Okkotsu86275Have a conversation about the situation, discuss with Cecil how he feels about his choices, come to a common ground or understanding, continue training hard. Basically any of that
@@Okkotsu86275 Sit his ass down and face the truth. Until the Viltrum issue is over, they have no other choice than use the zombie-robots. It is not as if Sinclair is free, he is still in custody , but has to make robots out of corpses. What would Mark do if 10 Viltrumites come and start tearing shit up? What would he tell to the millions who would die because he can't be at 10 different places at once? At least those freaks seem to be able to hurt viltrumites, so they are better than nothing.
*Why does mark feel like Peter Parker but way worse and why does this show feel like it needs to have relationships to the point that they force it cuz whatever that was with even was anything but natural*
Realistically, Mark is an ungrateful idiot. Had Cecil not used Darkwing and Sinclair, they would've lost, so just in THAT Cecil is completely proved right. And Mark is hypocrite seeing he's willing to work with his dad still... Plus, how's he gonna train without the government's backing? How's he gonna be alerted when they need them in some random part of the world? How will he know if the viltrimites invade suddenly? Idealistic silliness. That part of the story definitely felt incredibly forced.
Duplikate was never in actual danger. She was so wrong when she was going off on the girl whose superpower is to get super small.
Yeah, I'm with you. Dupli-Kate was very harsh on Rae.
Her and Immortal were pissing me off😒. Immortal is just jealous that Invincible is superior to him in every way and that his projecting his issues with Omni-Man onto Mark😒
Agreed, but feeling every death must really suck as well.
@@mahad813 Yeah, pretty much.
Thats not fair, I believe Kate experiences every death, every time she is grabbed, ripped apart, limbs broken she feels that, every time she’s afraid she feels that, (The best real world example I can think of is if someone being Tortured or held captive know their captures won’t kill them for whatever reason but will hurt them.) That feeling and stress of it makes people beg for death and yet for the most part we see Kate continue to press forward. Yeah as long as Kate hides 1 away she won’t die but that doesn’t mean she doesn’t suffer, it doesn’t mean her fear and pain is any less than someone elses. (So someone survives being Tortured/Captive for weeks/months/years on end and someone else says yeah they tortured you but they never wanted to kill you but they shot me and Im only alive because rescue team showed up in the nick of time so you don’t really understand fear) Its kind of a shit way to minimize Kates Trauma
I really liked this episode. Showing Cecil's backstory puts things into perspective and it also shows how hard was for him, and still is, to put his morals aside for the greater good and making extremely tough decisions. Great reaction as always!
It’s exactly why Cecil is such a great character, not my favorite but definitely top 5
14:40 to be fair he went to help the ant people and then later found out his dad lured him there and basically forced his hand to help him save his little brother and the other ants.
Counter point: Why is he going off planet to help another world on the other side of the galaxy? Cecil was right, it's not Earth problem at best, and at worst, it's a trap.
Mark has a heart, but he rarely uses his brain. At times it's his best trait and the reason his father spared Earth, but then you have situations like when he basically doomed the multiverse with Angstrom Levy.
@ true, I think Mark just thought he needed to save them to prove to mainly himself he wasn’t becoming his dad, and his friend basically encouraged him to help them as well, so yeah he went against Cecil’s orders which was dumb. And my point mainly was Cecil was saying Mark left Earth to help his mass murdering dad when in actuality he just wanted to save the bug people, but I don’t think Cecil was wrong to call Mark out on it though for helping his dad after nonetheless.
@@juice6521 That's a terrible counterpoint. The right thing to do is save people when you can - it's irrelevant how far away they are in the universe. They came to him for help, he's just supposed to let millions die because Cecil wants him on earth just in case? Nah.
@@juice6521 huh
@@ZeeZed153People want Mark to be this realistic pragmatic individual, and that's just not him. They basically want Mark to be the Punisher.
I honestly love how Mark's team literally had his back so much to intervene and help him, show's the kind of person he is. 👍💯
I’m glad there won’t be a few month hiatus this time, because this season just keeps getting better and better!
Ikr I've watched all 3 episodes so far and can't freaking wait for the next!!! 💯🔥👍
27:29 Waltuh, prepare for my arrival, waltuh
The way they presented both sides of the argument between Mark and Cecil. I can fully understand both sides of the argument. They are both right and wrong played an equal part in escalating the situation.
I don't really understand Mark's side.
@sirmel11 That's unfortunate but fair.
Mark lost the plot. He forgot about the impending viltrumite invasion and that they would need all the help they can get.
@@sirmel11mark never will turn evil 😂 Cecil a idiot read the comic
@@sirmel11mark has proven two times once against his dad and once against annissa (idk if that’s how you spell it) that he’ll lay his life on the line for earth and to do whats right but Cecil still punishes him with distrust for the actions of his father so he feels betrayed by that and I mean Cecil “employing” the guy who kidnapped marks best friend and tortured that guys boyfriend obviously didn’t help but I think it’s mostly that Cecil went about explaining and de-escalating very poorly and kind of expects everyone to trust what he says without questioning but never reciprocates that trust to anybody at all (this might’ve been a bit of a ramble in very tired)
This is up there as one of the best episodes of the entire series so far. All of it was peak 🙏🏼
The only things I have against Cecil is violating Mark's consent as a patient by putting the implant in his head, and bringing him down the first time he flies away. Mark conveniently forgets his great power gives him the most responsibility in conflicts with others. I know one of Mark's flaws is being a hothead, but he should know to back off when someone says he is scaring them.
No he shouldn’t, mark wasn’t being threatening
Mark was not being threatening to Cecil, it was Cecil who escalated it by leading him to the white room
@@Mayan_88694 How many times does Cecil have to tell Mark to go home? Mark could have read the room once Cecil said it’s for his protection. “Whoa I’m sorry Cecil, didn’t mean to scare you like that. Let’s sit down, please.” That’s all Mark had to do. If you understand power dynamics well, you know Mark has all the power here.
@ he told them to go home once, and mark had nothing to apologize for because he did nothing wrong. Mark does have self control, but his patience has limits, mark was rightfully mad at Cecil for employing criminals instead of giving them the punisher treatment. And you also conveniently ignore that Cecil planted a sonic device inside mark s’ head without his consent.
@@Mayan_88694 My original comment talks about the device, I agree it's messed up. Mark can be mad that Cecil lied about Sinclaire and Darkwing by omission, but reforming criminals is nothing new. How many times has Mark been around felons in the real world? Also, Mark wanted them in prison, not killed lol. Mark's hypocrisy is even pointed out by Cecil. He helped OmniMan last season. Why can't these 2 be reformed? Who made Mark the judge, jury, and executioner? Once they're in the white room, Cecil gives Mark many opportunities to stop scaring him, but Mark refuses to leave and continues to approach Cecil. I think Mark is reverting to that first interaction with his mother when he said "Make me [go to my room.]" He knows Cecil can't make him leave, so he feels entitled to his demands no matter how misguided.
I'm team Mark but this conflict is so well written. Both sides have both good and bad points.
Likewise, I'm team Mark, but I totally get Cecil's argument. I love it when a story can proved an equal good and bad argument from different perspectives.
Same but Cecil does have a point. It's just his execution was terrible and provoked Marks by striking first and luring him into the white room.
Really? 'Cause if Cecil listened to Mark and didn't have Darkwing and Sinclair, they all would've perished underground.
Mark doesn't get to play victim when he's who chased Cecil down and picked a fight with the guy who has helped him train and had literally just rescued him.
@@AndresGomez-ct7qb Except it was Cecil who started the fight. He lured him into the white room not to talk but to antagonize Mark.
@mahad813 No it wasn't. Mark chased him there. Cecil told him to go home SEVERAL times. Mark kept arguing even after Cecil said he was scared... Mark refused to back down.
First, Invincible is peak
Season 3 Episode 2 of Invincible is the best episode of the first 3 episodes released🔥
Showing Cecil's backstory was a great option and perfect storytelling to parallel Mark's morals!
I remember reading that comic and thinking "Welp, this is gonna be a great episode on their show huh"
@mojtaba1960 Same and since I know what's coming due to the Title Card glithing on, I can't wait for Episode 7 and 8 for the War and Mr Ten Times worse😰
I don't think Cecil forgot how he felt about working with criminals as you mentioned a couple of times, I think that he was shown through his own experience that looking at things in such a black and white way doesn't make any sense when you're in the position of being in charge of the earth's defence.
He was sent to prison to both punish and rehabilitate. He got there and all the criminals were fighting and killing each other. Within 3 years Cecil had seemingly made them all civil and not fighting. So he saw with his own eyes that reform is a thing that can be done, and now applies that to his work. And let's not forget that if he didn't do that, all of those heroes would now be dead at the hands of Doc Seismic.
Looking forward to watching the rest of the season with you gals 😊
The thing is that if the viltrumites come earth is fkced.
Maybe Cecil was not exactly elegant in his way, but he has to do SOMETHING. He can't just hope that Mark alone can protect earth from them.
How does putting a chip in his brain defend against the Viltrumites? It just alienated Mark.
I feel like a big issue people don't tend to touch is that his forms are absolutely fucked even when we look under that lenses. Why? Simple, you don't want to infuriate what is effectively your best bet for the protection of the earth, while also losing basically the best counter-measure you had if he gets out of control, wich could be the case after you basically tortured him lol. In any perspective on the matter, Cecil was incredibly negligent by how he managed the situation.
This seasons, feels like its going to be even MORE morally ambiguous than the previous two. Great episodes so far, keen for the next one
This episode went from 100 to 300 real quick. I'm team Mark, but I get totally get where Cecil is coming from. So I can't knock him. One must always have contingency plans. Appreciate the sensible and nuanced discussions/takes you ladies have regarding morally gray/ambiguous stories like this. It's what makes this channel so awesome 🤗😊
2:19 these Dani expressions are comedy 3:50 😂😂😂
I really like that they made it to where you can understand where everyone is coming from. It’s not black and white. I love the new background you ladies have setup by the way! Fits the vibe well 🩷
I understand Cecil wanting to have counter measures but i just find his decisions in this episode idiotic. He pushes Mark to get violent. Mark tries to get away and Cecil still wouldn't let him go. He still tries to act tough with the "don't ever threaten me" line. He pissed away the planet's strongest person.
Mark tried to run the moment he realised he couldn’t win but before he was all in his face…don’t make excuses for the boy who always gets his ass kicked cuz of how soft he is.
If sucks for mark because his micro aggressions are so dangerous
100% Team Cecil all day every day. Mark can’t just strong arm people and do things his way all the time just because he doesn’t like someone or something doesn’t go his way. He’s literally one of if not the least experienced hero we’ve seen in the show, yet he thinks he knows better than people who have been doing this for decades or more?
Sometimes I and a lot of other people forget he is a child he's still a kid literally he's not even twenty yet he still got a lot to learn.
That’s not strong arming, it’s called not being a pushover, Cecil doesn’t hesitate to throw people under the bus the moment they’re no longer useful to him, and mark had every right to be angry at the fact Cecil employed criminals like Sinclair.
It’s not strong arming, having decades of experience doesn’t mean you get a pass to do shady things behind everyone s back. Cecil claims to believe mark is not his father yet he plants a sonic device in mark s head without his consent out of pure paranoia, how is that helping his cause? He is also in the wrong for having people like Sinclair, who experimented on other people. Mark had every right to snap at Cecil.
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What's crazy is Cecil says "Go Home" Mark starts to run away, and then Cecil is like "Actually stay here" Dude doesn't know what he's doing in this scene. Sure come up with your little counter measures, but don't whip it out over a heated argument. That's the doomsday button for if Mark turns evil, not a dog collar. He got one use out of it and he wasted it, alienating Mark, Eve, and half the guardians in the process. Regardless of your opinion on the original argument, you gotta admit Cecil fucked up. Now he's basically left to hope Mark and his brother stay loyal to earth and prepare for the coming threats themselves.
I am sure Rudy didn't take the implant off after seeing what Mark is capable of (the guardians literally broke like 5 or 6 reanimen together, what Mark took seconds to destroy them all). I understand Cecil, he knew Mark was pissed of after the first usage of the implant (he said to Mark go home before he used he implant), so he was worried Mark would do something stupid, what he did when he got the Guardians involved
No mark only tried to run when he realised he couldn’t act tough
Keep in mind that Oliver is a straight up alien and he is aging and was able to get his powers much faster than Mark. Not to mention his Viltrumite genes being his more dominant DNA pretty much overtakes his Thraxan genes and trust me you'll understand why as the series progresses as it relates to his physical appearance. Also because of his Viltrumite side Oliver naturally has more blood thirsty impulses but maybe with him being raised by humans primarily by Debbie, it'll mold him to be more empathetic towards humans and their lives in general.
He ages so quickly that he hasn’t had the years of conditioning & learning morals & stuff that humans do 😞
This season is going to be insane 💙
Main question from this episode.. did Donald just tough he had insane genetics so he couldnt age or they kept changing the year he was born in his memory? 😂
They adapted this so well! And now we know where the budget from last episode went! 😂
I never knew I needed a Cecil backstory until now…
Invincible just gets bloodier through each episode & it never stops, but it still is a great show.
Cecil is peak character!
This episode was real good, like damn that character work
Theres already a villain its themselves. Its like Captain American: Civil War
I wonder if why Shapesmiths bed being a race car here, is cause it's Sonics VA? He has that in those movies lol.
I think looking at the fact Nolan was on earth 20 yrs and they have no affective countermeasures proves just how powerful and dangerous Viltrumites are. So when Cecil finds something that works his first thought may have been to put it in the kid in a just in case situation. Hoping to never need it.
We as the audience know Mark will never become a villain like his alternate selfs but Cecil is a person in the world who has to assess a situation and realize as much as I may trust Mark and believe he is a good kid I need to be prepared in a worst case scenario because we never know what can change in someone's life and send them over the deepend
(you could be friends with someone for 30 yrs been friends since 10 yrs old and maybe that friend loses a their spouse and child in a car accident, while they were the one behind the wheel, you’re also injured from the accident which leads to loss of job and that sends them over the edge and they go postal) hope it never happens but most people never notice signs until its too late but for Cecil its worst if Mark goes over the end he could level a city in a few mins.
And if I didn't believe they would never allow Mark to go evil I would say Mark is scary and he only a inch from going over the edge and turning into “Injustice Superman”
True good point
Hopes he never needs it...uses it at the first instance he gets. That was super dumb on his part lol. That should be a one off thing to be used like a nuke if Mark actually turned evil and not as a leash for Cecil's own selfish obsession on control otherwise he would get it removed eventually just like how we saw in the episode so instead of letting him destroy the re-animen and let him cool off or exhaust himself there, he instantly plays his trump card and loses it because he can't fathom not being the one in charge and now he has nothing against him and he burned bridges completely. On top of it he lost authority over half the Guardians so good job Cecil...still a fantastic character though love him.😂
@@soundwave2481 what if mark is minded controlled should he just kill Mark or have something that can immobilize him, and Cecil talks about rehabilitate so why would he instant kill. Its may be about control with Cecil to minimize threats but Mark is the strongest person on the planet he was aggressive and wouldn't come down.
A real-world example could be a 6'5 man screaming at his 5'0 ft girlfriend and she tells him leave your sacring me and he like please wouldn't hit you, but she keeps asking him to leave and he keeps getting closer not if she grabs a weapon and hits him. End of the day Cecil isn't perfect but Mark needs to understand you have the power to destroy the planet over night and if you choose to no one could stop you, you need to approach people with the understanding that although you may never kill intentionally, he has lost control and he could be 1 bad day away for becoming his dad
The moment Cecil told Mark he was scaring him he should've backed down and tried a calmer approach. Mark is too emotional and egotistical, he never stopped to think about what was going on. He just wanted to have his way and wasn't listening to reason at all. I mean the very thing he is mad about is what saved him and every other hero like an hour ago.
Yeah, that kinda felt like bad writing 😅
"Hey, Cecil. HOW DARE YOU SAVE ME USING BAD PEOPLE!?" 🤷🏾♂️
It's also a huge character flaw he frames it as Cecil attacked him...
Also, Cecil was right. He was chilling alongside Nolan despite his body count is abominable
@@AndresGomez-ct7qb Mark literally told Nolan to uuck off until he realized he had a little brother and then they were attacked. He's putting off his decision towards Nolan because he's no longer around while Cecil refused to explain anything, had no intentions of compromising nor telling Mark anything that would relax him, taunted him with half truths and insults, and wasted his "contingency" by making it a shock collar. Mark may have been scaring Cecil by yelling, but he's 19 and has trusted Cecil with all his feelings and looked for advice to him. We see Mark deliberate and understand why Cecil has felt the way he did, as he always does when anything happens, Cecil refused to do the same and not only pushed Mark and half the guardians away, but momentarily made him consider having a harsher line in battle, all things he's afraid of or doesn't want, ALL HIS fAULT.
"We can be the good guys, or be the ones to save the world", but the good guys apparently aren't allowed to do that if cecil disagrees, when he KNOWS its immoral and good guys would disagree.
@darknessknows1235 That's a lie. Mark barely confronted Nolan and didn't even want to go back to earth... Cecil literally got people to save Mark and the rest's lives and got threatened for it by the person he's been helping train.
Twist it every which way you want, but Nolan is infinitely worse than either Sinclair or Darkwing and Mark forgave Nolan, so... 🤷🏾♂️
@@AndresGomez-ct7qbit’s never implied that mark forgave his father in that moment, he simply helped him to protect the Thraxans.
@@AndresGomez-ct7qbexcept it was Cecil who lead up to the white room and sent the reanimen on him, he also planted a device in mark s’ head without his consent. It was Cecil who started this
I believe in reform too but being reformed in 3 months is wild.
This was easily the best episode of the series because the complexity of the dilema and i get Cecil's i really do but i'm 100% on Mark's side here, because Cecil is and has been a hypocrite and honestly kinda dumb towards Mark since forever. Mark has been through hell and back just to show to everybody that he's not like his dad that he's not a monster, yet no matter how good Mark was or what he did to Cecil that never mattered, he looked at him as nothing else other than the son of a murderer, Cecil talks about how Mark killed Levi when he knows the dude was mentally broken and he couldn't be reasoned with but again Cecil doesn't care about how it happened only that it DID happened, Mark crossing the line and killing somebody i mean. What makes it worse is that Cecil brings actual pychos and murderers and pretend like it's no big deal, that there's no need to worry about them and yet he constantly doubts Mark and tried to find ways to get rid of him only because Cecil can't control him, that's the real issue here, if you are not under Cecil's control then you are immediatly a threath to him no matter how good of a person you are
"he looked at him as nothing else other than the son of a murderer" this logic would work if this was the real world, instead of a world with aliens with different ways of thought, as shown by thraxxans, and the part in the same scene making it an explicit point to note that if nolan were human his mannerisms would indicate lying... but different aliens have different trains of thought, for all they know, only having experienced nolan, oliver and omniman, anissa and knowing how the universe see's viltrumites... it's a fair bet to worry about violence being part of their nature... and in a world where there are beings capable of literal mind control who could use him as a weapon, imagine someone took over your mind and forced you to tear apart everyone you cared about? wouldn't you want them to have contingency's against you even if they trust you? and even if there wasn't mind control there's still no promise someone won't snap, as cecil said "bad guys can reform, and good guys can forget what they're fighting for" and good guys can snap, you understand how much precautions are placed on nukes? it's a damn lot. now imagine that nuke but bigger and in the control of an emotionally unstable and traumatized teenager full of hormones and without much life experience.
if you hypothetically had the singular key to a nuke and i introduce you to a teenager with emotional issues, hormones, daddy issues, and way, way more who's already shown he can compromise his morals if he gets angry enough... would you trust him with that key?
sonic sound can kill viltumites its like their one strong weakness
DEMON TIME MARK IS FINALLY HERE!!
Marks a crash out like Cecil said he's the biggest hypocrite when it comes to his dad and himself. For example why did he kill so many Paul duplicates with no hesitation when Mark can just over power them, grab Rex and fly in the air? I'm on team Cecil for now. Cecil hasn't sacrifice or killed any heros, he just uses people that use to be bad save the world.
I hope we don’t have to wait too long for more episodes man lmao
It'll be weekly.
@ thank god lol
Cecil just escalated at every step. You'd think as an older (and wiser) person he would be able to communicate to them more effectively. Or come up with some compromise.
Did he? He told Mark to leave and said he was scaring him.
Also, Mark conveniently overlooked Cecil using Darkwing and Sinclair literally saved all their lives 😅
The only person deescalating was Cecil. Why are people excusing Mark being a literal child in this situation. Super emotional and not listening to reason
@@lee-cl8td You guys really did forget that mark is in his so called "superpower puberty", what any teenager would feel the need to hear their opinion mattered the most. The older supposed wiser cecil goad even more of the young mind filled with hormonal imbalance just to prove a point.
Of course mark will voice his dissatisfaction of the result in the reanimen being used, didn't we see in the first episode when mark goes bowling with will and rick. Doesn't that trigger him of what has happened to his friend.
@@lee-cl8td You don't de-escalate by showing more force. He also put a bomb in his head. Anyone is capable of picking up a gun and shooting people, should we let Cecil put bombs/chips in all our heads?
Cecil makes the decisions nobody else has the balls to make. Yes sometimes they’re unethical and yes he went to far putting that thing in Mark but in his position he can’t take any chances. I didnt think Mark would kill Cecil but he was certainly escalating the situation just as much
Facts, it's no different than Batman having countermeasures for if Superman ever goes dark side.
@@ajstyles5143 I don't think Cecil thinks Mark *wants* to kill him, but he has seen first hand what the viltrumite equivalent of a temper tantrum looks like.
@@M2JoyBoy Didn't Superman give him the Kryptonite though? A pretty big difference.
@@FractusDidn't Batman have kryptonite before gift from sup?
Nah Cecile reasoning is same as the viltrumites, humans would be exactly like the viltrumites LMAO cuz we are like them already
i understand immortal and kate’s pain, but they are always on the wrong side of every argument and it boils down to: immortal’s beef with omni man and: kate’s ego against rex
Team Cecil! Mark is still acting like a kid and that's gonna cost him
Cecil went way too far here. Mark never gave him a single reason to think he could attack him. Now it’s another story however, but only because of what Cecil did imo.
Isn't what Cecil doing with the villains the same thing that Amanda Waller does with the Suicide Squad? That makes it tough to agree with Mark although I understand his viewpoint.
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i do think people can be reformed, but you just suddenly take out of the prision murderers saying they'll repay for what they have done? im pretty sure it does not work that way, especially for Sinclair that pretty sure does not care about saving lives
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Honestly I was on Cecil's side..until the implant, at that point it was too much. I would've even been ok with some kind of speaker weapon, there's the argument that that wasn't just for Mark..but for any Viltrumite invaders. But putting a torture device inside of Mark while he's unconscious...there's no defending that. At that point he lost pretty much any chance he had of de-escalating the situation, and if he's as smart as he's portrayed he should have known that before he hit the button.
There is defending that. Mark was legitimately threatening Cecil.
The amount of times Cecil told Mark to go home, or that he was scaring him... Then Mark gets angry Cecil won't just let himself be bullied despite the fact that, if Cecil did what Mark said and not used Sinclair or Darkwing, they would've all lost their lives.
Also, when Mark ran away he was just getting the implant removed so he could presumably just fulfill his threat 😅
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With so much that happened in this episode Mark and Eve' finally getting togather didn't seem as important as everything else that had happened. Also I think 99% of viewers knew that thay were going to end up togather at some point.. However given what's coming up they are probably never going to get a honeymoon phase of a relationship so we'll have to see how strong it grows.
they for some reason think they shouldn't be together or its forced even though it was alluded to in season 1 & 2
@@elaiq359 Eve's never had good luck in love. She's never felt parental unconditional love. She never had a chance with her birth mother and siblings. Her best friend for years ditched her And Rex who said he loved her kept cheating on her. So i can see why she'd be a bit worried because she feels alot of love for Mark. If this relationship goes away in flames she'll be hurting bad.
So much discussion in the comments for a 19 year old MC. What wise decisions were you making when you were 19?
On the other hand...
Also, Viltrumites are shown to have anger issues. One day Mark get angry and destroys everything... we can only watch I guess... right Mark?
having read the invincible comics, unless they change things, cecil can be an idiot. I can understand both sides. Mark can be hard headed, but the thing i have against cecil is as old and most the time as smart as he is, he goats mark way too much to get a reaction out of him, not exactly something you would do to keep someone on your side.
Loved your discussion at the end. I knew I could always trust you guys to have very sensible takes...
But man, Mark can be so frustrating at times. Literally one track mind. No nuance. And Cecil is getting a bit too jaded. Idk I feel bad for everyone
Like his mother said, a 19 year old boy, who knew nothing but his own perception. Of course he would have a strong-headed opinion and felt righteous doing so. We as the viewer who sees everything will have a different perspective than what Mark would perceive. Yes it is very frustrating to see Mark being stubborn but this is Mark's journey and we will follow along the ups and downs of his world.
Naw I'm with Cecil on this he's in charge of keeping the planet safe, there's a threat of a Viltrimite threat coming Mark showed he was powerless against the older stronger Viltrimite so he's just trying to help Mark by giving him more backup, and he was right for putting the device in him I mean just look at Mark throwing his weight around against anyone who disagrees with him. We forget Mark is still 19 he's a teenager who knows what it would take to make him go Darkside when he's willing to threaten Cecil's life so easily because he's not doing what Mark said. Those other Heroes don't understand what his mentor told him "you can either be the good guy or the guy who saves the world, you can't be both." I mean hell even Batman kept counter measures for if Superman and the other heroes ever go dark side.
Now he lost the trust of the strongest hero on the planet aka the planets best hope against the vilturmites 🤌
@@GofSmoke17 Because of his paranoia driving a wedge between him and cecil
@@GofSmoke17 Cecil is at fault to an extent, but don't forget the last Viltrumite Cecil trusted to protect Earth. You'd be insane not to have at least 12 counter measures in place after that.
@@GofSmoke17so he won't defend the planet because he's mad at Cecil?
@juice6521 his not wrong for the counter measures, I agree with them. It's just that he used them way too quickly for no real reason, and in doing so, look what happened:
He lost marks trust and
The guardian of the globe broke up 🤷♂️
I didnt even need Cecil's back story to be on his side. No matter how many lives Mark has saved. If the super human that can wipe out an entire city with a sneez tells me "im no the one whos gonna get hurt" then the weapon in his head he got so mad about was a good idea
100%
Cecil was totally the one who attacked first tho, Mark might’ve been aggressive, but he had a right to be considering the people Cecil told him were behind bars were working with him.
@@nosir7882 You mean the people who saved his life?
Cecil told Mark to go home several times, and he even said Mark was scaring him... You can't try to intimidate people into doing what you want only to play victim when it doesn't go your way
@@nosir7882 Could you tell me where did Cecil attacked first? Non of the robots even attacked him first. They were there to stop Mark from getting closer, Mark was the one that went ape shit and destroyed them. Cecil had the trigger on him the whole time but he didnt use it until he saw Mark wasnt going to stop acting like a little bitch.
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Mark confronted Cecil and kept pressing him after Cecil said he was afraid. How many times did Cecil say "Go home."? But then Mark says "When Cecil attacked me." maaaan, pleas 🤦🏾♂️🙄
I'm confused on how Mark is right at all, being upset is one thing & completely fair. But he literally abuses his powers to get what he thinks is right & freaks out when that doesn't happen, not realising that he is legitimately a threat.
Yup. Cecil told him to go home SEVERAL times, but he picked a fight and then wants to tell his mom and Eve "When Cecil attacked me" 😂😂
Also, Cecil only used Sinclair and Darkwing to literally save their lives...
I don't know. The writing feels incredibly forced conflict type
@@AndresGomez-ct7qb Exactly, I'm lowkey confused on whether they want the audience to agree with Mark or not because it seems so forced/skewed to see his side but Cecil was valid in everything he did
After the fact as well when he told others, he framed Cecil as the villain. That was frustrating to watch
@@terryqokov6999 Seems they do want us to empathize with Mark. And from this comment section, it seems people are as suggestible as ever 😅
To me it comes across as Mark is a brat.
@ right? It made me almost give up & dislike his character
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Cecil was right.
I don't know if it's because I have reader PoV, but I completely empathise with Cecil. I don't think Mark is taking this situation as seriously as he should be. He still thinks he can continue playing hero and boyfriend/family man while there's potentially a galaxy spanning empire of millions of soldiers on par with him physically who are coming to take over the planet. I get that he's frustrated that Cecil has an army of zombie people and an ex-con on his payroll, but really, he needs to grow up.
Just a question: What should Mark do instead.
saying a whole lot of nothing right here.
@@Okkotsu86275Have a conversation about the situation, discuss with Cecil how he feels about his choices, come to a common ground or understanding, continue training hard. Basically any of that
@@Step43099 A more pragmatic approach.
@@Okkotsu86275
Sit his ass down and face the truth.
Until the Viltrum issue is over, they have no other choice than use the zombie-robots. It is not as if Sinclair is free, he is still in custody , but has to make robots out of corpses.
What would Mark do if 10 Viltrumites come and start tearing shit up? What would he tell to the millions who would die because he can't be at 10 different places at once? At least those freaks seem to be able to hurt viltrumites, so they are better than nothing.
The most philosophical episode ever.
Do people deserve a second chance?
Does skill override justice?
It's like Captain America Civil war, it's like we can see both sides....
cecil’s side 100%
Mark is 100% in the wrong no questions ask. Hope the show won't try to frame it like he is right.
*Why does mark feel like Peter Parker but way worse and why does this show feel like it needs to have relationships to the point that they force it cuz whatever that was with even was anything but natural*
Getting his brain melted yet all he could think about is her ….yeah aight
Realistically, Mark is an ungrateful idiot. Had Cecil not used Darkwing and Sinclair, they would've lost, so just in THAT Cecil is completely proved right. And Mark is hypocrite seeing he's willing to work with his dad still... Plus, how's he gonna train without the government's backing? How's he gonna be alerted when they need them in some random part of the world? How will he know if the viltrimites invade suddenly? Idealistic silliness.
That part of the story definitely felt incredibly forced.