Nintendo Finally Sues Palworld
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Nintendo actually created the patents months after Palworld released
They literally made a patent where you throw something at someone and something happens
Nintendo patented basic game mechanics after Palworld's release and are now suing them for that
That would make grenades illegal WHAT THE FECK? How am I supposed to turn soldiers into spaghetti
Isthat even legal? That sounds very easily arguable
Wait, if that's the case wouldn't it make shooters with grenades a copyright infringement?
This made me remember ActMan's video on PUBG again
Yikes
Nintendo would literally try to sue italy to make Mario and Luigi a illegal name if it made them more money
And actress Zelda Williams for having that name
Shoots they'd sue the Internet for Browser being so close to Bowser😂
@@NIDELLANEUM and the dead wife of the writer F. Scott Fitzgerald.
@@jeremybrown9611 when I was a kid I thought that browser was bowser
Or they had any chance of actually getting anywhere with that.
Nintendo the kind of company to burn down a hospital if they saw a Mario painting in a children's ward
Disney would be in 2nd place with that
@@lunamiku4166 Warner Bros will be in 2nd place
@@lunamiku4166I’m pretty sure Disney already did something like this lol
Disney removed gravestones with superheroes they own on them.
@@Purpliscolor They did.
*Unrelated Fact:* Nintendo HQ in Kyoto got its sign damaged that it removes "N" after the Typhoon Jebi affected the building. Now, it's called "Intendo".
“Ok kids we’re gonna play Intendo!”
Kid named Tendo:
@@SirPlayzAlot Kid named what?!
@@SirPlayzAlot"Kid"? 💀
They're gonna sue themselves the second we look away 💀
@@SirPlayzAlotI hate how well that joke works
At this point Nintendo could straight up sue animals in the wild
I eat Cotten candy from my walls
@Niteshade_ they would probably sue someone pet for being named after a pokemon
@@NobleGamer889 😋👍
They think they can they are in for a surprise the pals are different enough
Lmao
At this point Nintendo will sue you for having the name Mario
Didn’t they already do that though?
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@@zunaritoxidentbh I wouldn’t be surprised if they already did
@matthewtheking8989 they would sue a animal for being named after a pokemon
*Reminds of that one meme.*
"Nintendo demolitioning Italian orphanage because there was a kid named Luigi"
One thing to keep in mind is they are NOT suing for the designs of the characters. They're suing for PATENTS, which would more than likely be related to gameplay mechanics. Yes, you can patent those. Bioware infamously patented the dialogue wheel from Mass Effect to prevent other companies from using it. It's stupid.
EDIT: As of right now, it is not confirmed exactly what patents PocketPair is being sued for.
PocketPair: "We are unaware of the specific patents we are accused of infringing upon, and we have not been notified of such details."
People have assumed (but for some reason said it is certain) that Nintendo are suing for patents they made months ago, but that is not confirmed yet. It's a logical conclusion, but we'll just have to wait and see.
It might be over the knock-off pokeballs. Apparently they patented open world pokeball mechanics a while ago.
that is the dumbest think i ever heard like why? there is no logic on patenting a gosh darn game mechnaic
that's not even the real important part when the patent happened AFTER Palworld already released and the thing they're patenting came first from Craftopia. Nintendo should be tbe one sued by that logic.
And here’s the 16th comment talking about this, WE GET IT
To me, that should be legally allowed as dialog-wheels are just basic controller design for a story based game.
But the thing is, they didn't violate copyright, they "violated" patents that Nintendo filed after the release of Palworld. Gameplay patents such as: "animal has flying animation when in the air and walking animation when on the ground" filed May 2024 (Palworld came out in January 2024)
Wait, they patented that????
So birds, just straight birds, are patented?
@@Heyn_17 yes. It's Nintendo, don't expect it to make sense, expect it to make them money.
@@Heyn_17Japanese companies patent every aspect of their company to prevent blatant rip offs, however there's typically a code of honor.
My guess is something spooked Nintendo and saw their golden goose being threatened
Who tf patents that lmfao
It should be reminded that its a PATENT copyright, not an intellectual one, so while the controversy about the designs of the creatures are something, Nintendo is specifically sueing for a gameplay mechanic or system
Wouldn't they lose in that sense since Palworld is so much more fleshed out than anything pokemon has released in the last 10 years
Thats even more Scummy
If Nintendo wins (which I hope to God they DON'T), then a bunch of other companies are gonna start patenting basic gameplay mechanics, quite possibly including first person shooters.
This either means the beginning of the darkest era possible, or the signal to begin a revolution.
@@Not_interestEd-it already happened with wb and the nemesis system.
@@JorgeSanchez-sh2nl no because its japan and japan prioritizes patent owners
The patent didn't even exist before Palworld was created.
Craftopia was the first game to have that mechanic, so they're technically stealing from Pocketpair
1. We don't know what patents were violated.
2. The patent that is going around is the US one which was approved this year, by was approved in Japan in 2021.
@@lovindando you sleep well defending corporate monopoly?
@@lovindan keep sucking the dick of companies that don't care about you
@@foetusdeletus6313He's not defending a monopoly, he's stating the fucking obvious.
If Nintendo actually developed a mainline Pokémon game with significantly different mechanics in the last 15 years then people wouldn't have been interested in Palworld.
I mean Legends was a nice breath of fresh air
Legends Arceus
Yeah, Legends Arceus not a mainline game.
Pokemon is Pokemon. If they change it it isnt Pokemon anymore. And Palworld was only so successful bechause people get off to torturing animals for some reason. Maybe thats the state of adults now.
@memescoffe3173 and then they never did it again
They did not even sue the monster designs, they sued Palworld for THE ACT OF THROWING THINGS.
Nintendo always was and always will be a shitty company, but this is too much.
They need to be stopped.
Nintendo was my childhood but now it has become a shell of its former glory.
Xbox: I'm the worst. I killed Tango Game works even though they made us lots of money just because Shareholders had a panic attack.
Ubisoft: No I'm the worst. I killed The Crew & replaced it with 2 bland Star Wars games.
Activision/Blizzard/King (owned by Microsoft): Nope! I'm the worst. I cancelled a Spyro/Crash crossover game & forced the devs to make a crash live service that only lasted a few months & then when they left to go independent I turned into a Call of Duty Live Service factory.
Sony: NO! I AM the worst! Not only did I kill Concord, a game that cost $200 Million & 8 years of development time to make, after only 2 weeks just because it didn't instantly outsell Fortnite & Overwatch 2 & not only did I try to kill Helldivers 2 by forcing people to make a PlayStation Network account (even if their country doesn't have PSN), but I also charged anywhere between $700-1000 for a PS5 that actually takes AWAY features compared to older models.
Nintendo: Amateurs! Hold our Patent that applies to any game from Digimon to Temtem!
(Seriously. What does the AAA/AAAA market hope to accomplish by our crashing EA?)
I mean I still like pokemon but I do think it’s weird and kinda shitty that they don’t want anyone messing or replicating their games. If they stopped suing people then it would be an amazing company.
@@xbloxlive5454 Not really, it's not like the games stopped being good, and Nintendo themselves doing awful things is absolutely not anything new, at all. The fact that they're ridiculously trigger happy with copyright has been a meme for propably over a decade at this point. No idea why anyone acts like it's anything new from them.
Owning a game mechanic/Idea is so scummy that's just gonna put significant impact in future indie games if this becomes a trend on these companies to go with, that'll piss alot of people
My brother in Christ what the hell are you talking about, if someone copied your character or idea you have and made money from it you would be fuming
@@makinyoumad9498 now hold on a min dark souls artorius is a copy of guts from berserk, should the creator of berserk sued the gaming company for a design of a dark wandering knight in black?
hell what about the mythology gods in that case marvel should sue everyone else for using mythology, just because you copy a character as long as its not the same one you shouldnt be able to sue, its a different story and a different person all together. There is gotta be a line in the sand ffs
@@eastbow6053 mythology can’t be copied
@@makinyoumad9498 neither should animals this is what pokemon is
@@makinyoumad9498 The problem in question is copyrighting very common, general or ubiquitous game mechanics rather than some specific never before seen idea. Should nintendo own the sole right to make games where you catch creatures and make them fight?
And if yes, for how long should this right last?
Pretty sure Satan is suing Nintendo for infringing on his patent of being evil.
I don't think Satan has that patented in any office anywhere on Earth, so, uh... go nuts on being evil, I guess? xD
Nintendo is not evil, i cant believe i actually have say this. Its a crime stealing property, its fully in your legal means to sue them, if they are "evil" for doing something completely legal then are you calling laws "evil" too?
^ Trolltards try not to make obvious bait challenge (%1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 impossible)
@@TargolakLol
lol, of all the things gaming companies has done, suing a successful competitor is very low on the "evil" scale, it's basically standard business practices
You know what's worse? The first requirement for a patent application in the Patent Act's "unofficial" translation of the japanese law is that "inventions that were publicly known in Japan or a foreing country, prior to the filling of the patent application" are exempt from patent rights.
Since Nintendo made those patents after Palworld released, their argument would immediately be thrown out I guess
@@julianfan5794We do not yet know which patents have been infringed. It could be the patent for LPA, but it is not certain
Following this logic, almost every single game mechanic that isn't literally brand new to a releasing game should be exempt from patenting. You released a game a year ago and didn't patent the mechanics THEN or BEFOREHAND? Oh well, you're too late now, buddy; that invention is already publicly known.
That's literally how this should be dealt with. Such complete nonsense to claim a patent decades after revealing to the public.
There existed a monster catching game before pokemon existed. But because pokemon exploded i.to popularity, people think pokemon was the first monster catching game.
I forgot the name of the game.that came before pokemon, but it definitely exists other there, even if obscured by histyr and forgotten by many
Nintendo on their way to invent time travel so they can sue caveman for throwing rocks at animals (they invented the mechanic).
Nintendo would literally try to sue a random blonde-haired kid who is holding a toy sword.
Oh you're healing yourself in skyrim? HA WE PATENTED THAT 3 MINUTES AGO FUCK YOU!
Nintendo took so long because they literally created those patents this year and was waiting for the patents to be approved before suing Palworld
Not true, you literally cannot sue for anything that happened before the patent was applied for, also patents take 3-6 years to be approved.
"My uncle works at nintendo" ahh lil kid run along bay boii
Not entirely true. They patented open world pokeball catching mechanics back in 2021 for PLA.
@@PrivateSparky "They patented open world pokeball catching mechanics back in 2021 for PLA."
I wouldn't be surprised if nintendo started filing a patent when Palworld was announced on June 5th 2021
@@PrivateSparkyShouldn't they go after Genshin a few years back? They have a game mechanic involving throwing orb-like objects to catch wild animals too.
@@saif-gv6glThey have a patent for mounting flying creatures too for PLA. It’s possible they are being petty and using the patents as ammunition to sue creature collectors that take inspiration from PLA.
Patenting basic game mechanics has only ever caused stagnation in the industry.
Everybody should want Nintendo to lose for this pettiness.
Best example is the company sueing over the guiding arrow, in games such as Crazy Taxi. (Probably got details wrong, but the meat of it is still right.)
Pepperidge Farm remembers the Nemesis System.
@@axain7784such amazing system dead, killed by stupid greedy developers
and yet "Emulation stagnates innovation!"
I'm fine as long as palworld gets sued to hell and back. They literally made a pokemon ripoff, they had to expect Nintendo to get pissy.
Nintendo would sue the creator of a non-profit foundation because a single pixel on their logo has the same rgb value as a pixel from Smash
That one person saying it glorifies animal abuse must be cheering loudly rn.
Im waiting for the scenario of palworld losing the "throwing stuff" patent and have to include actual animal trafficking and snare traps into the game
@@brightwafi1291lmao
me i’m that person
@@ultimateconductor6615be ashamed
@@ultimateconductor6615be ashamed
Nintendo suing Nintendo for having a character named Mario:
Nintendo : Civil war
Some company should patent the act of having an idle animation and just sue Nintendo and nobody else just to fuck with them
Nintendo was upset after Universal Studios sued them, and went on their villain arc, deciding to sue everyone and everything
Uhh, context there?
@@nomisspell nintendo got sued by universal studios in the 90s because of donkey kong and his "resemblance" to king kong
@@Someone_adachi my thanks.
It should be noted Nintendo is suing them for patent infringement not copyright infringement meaning the character models are distinct enough that they can't sue them over that. Instead they are suing them over game mechanics. Which is so much worse and bad for the industry if they win
Only way this could be beneficial for the industry is if the case becomes an eye opener to the anticompetitive monopolization that patents cause.
17th comment, y’all just copy n pasting what others say now
@@makinyoumad9498 He probably should have gotten it right in the video then
@@makinyoumad9498 usually it takes 10 - 15 times of regurgitating the same thing for people on the internet to understand anything
This isn't setting a new trend. Patent lawsuits in video games already have happen. But don't worry, the Switch 2 will come out and everyone will forget this lawsuit even existed.
Nintendo will sue the Italian government for each citizens that has Mario and Luigi in their name
Are you joking?
Please re-study patent rights.
@@Rimland-pact-JP yes. he was joking
@@Rimland-pact-JPjeez have some fun in your life
Nintendo would literally try to sue a random blonde-haired kid who is holding a toy sword.
@@Rimland-pact-JP Yes, he is. now get r/whooshed
At this point, Nintendo will sue everyone for infringing their copyright.
yeah because nintendo invented the "throw shit at something and capture them" right?
WRONG! shin megami tensei did it way beforehand
@@yuyukooyunda7476aren't you negotiating with the demons tho?
True and that's a good thing🥰🥰
The fucked up thing is they aren’t even suing over copyright, they are suing over patents meaning they are trying to stop games in general from even having conceits they are claiming ownership for, which is beyond stupid when you realize that literally every game does this to some degree
You just KNOW Nintendo ninjas were scrapping and monitoring every INCH of this game in the hopes of finding anything they could sue for.
I think I know why Nintendo would do that now, which is because of their strategy: If Nintendo sue Palworld IMMEDIATELY after release, then they will face immense backlash, so that’s why Nintendo waited for several months then when Palword is not popular anymore, Nintendo sued Palword.
Edit 1: Fixed few things.
And itd get everyone talking about it so more ppl would play PW
A few years...? You mean 8 months
Nintendo does not care about backlash
@98.6_WCCK_DeadFM-JG I think he’s referring to the release of the trailer, which came out back in 2021. Nintendo could’ve decided to sue then if they really wanted to
they patented the thing theyre suing them for some months after palworlds release
-"Your honor, the color of the sky at 12:00 PM in game in Palworld is very similar to the color of the sky in this Pokemon game ten years ago at the same in game time."
-"Nintendo, I don't think that's-"
-**Nintendo throws a pile of cash at the judge**
-"...Nintendo wins the case..."
A believable comment would be saying that verdash is a lil too similiar to cinderace
@@blitzer9002”your honour this green guy looks like this red guy”
“…What?”
"palworld? i havent heard that name in years....."
@@AltRightGamingRWGS lil bro you're uttp knockoff is not getting popular, you havent been doing your physics homework
@@spencywencythebency yeah the game was big but somehow it forgotten
How did u dodge the 20mil plus copies sold and the internet frenzy is beyond me🤣
@@AltRightGamingRWGS k
Still playing it, love the latest major update. But yeah, it's not a live service/competitive game which means that it gets people playing each update instead of each day.
Nintendo trying not to sue a child with cancer because he asked to play Mario for free as his make a wish:
Hey Nintendo, my finger can transform, guess which one
dey coming after the middle finger next cause every protag has one dawg 💀💀💀💀💀💀
Did you just reference Transformers One?
@@alihamadqabazard2857 ye
AUUU AUUUUH AUUUUGH
The one in your ass?
(This was originally a reply under a comment talking about the patent Nintendo may sue Palworld over. Also posting it over here for visibility’s sake.)
Ok so there is a bit of misinformation going around so I feel the need to say some things, by no means am I a Nintendo shill, but I feel it’s necessary to get the details on some of this stuff right
Nintendo applied for the patent much further before the Palworld release, around Feb 2023. The patent only came through more recently, a few months after the Palworld release. They have however, since made minor adjustments for the patent, which were accepted and added to the patent. This last part definitely feels the most sinister, they were absolutely adjusting the specifics of the patent to attack Palworld.
The patent in question is a little more specific than what the original commenter suggests, the patent is specifically for a humanoid character throwing a ball-shaped object to capture a creature, with an indicator for odds of success being shown on screen in some form. It’s not as vague as just “throw thing” but like… it’s still so weird. I understand that the idea of “guy throw ball catch thing” being crucial to the Pokémon identity, but still. Legends Arceus doesn’t even do a very good job at showing the odds of success anyway.
Notably, this patent is also only theorized to be what Nintendo is suing Palworld over. Japanese copyright is super strict and designed to be very pro-corporate, and Nintendo has a bunch of patents for many technologies and features many games find essential, from stuff like tracking the login time of friends on social games, to the d-pad. (I’m serious Nintendo has the patent for the d-pad.) The reason why Nintendo doesn’t sue every game company out into oblivion isn’t really clear, especially considering that every once in a while they pull shit like this. If Nintendo really wanted they could at the very least force every Japanese company out of business, and prevent companies from anywhere else to make games in Japan. Nintendo has been really vague about what they’re suing Palworld for, and Pocket Pair alleges that they aren’t yet sure either, so this patent might not even be the right one.
It’s been theorized in the Japanese space that Nintendo chose to sue now because Pocket Pair signed a mega-deal with Sony and Aniplex for a bunch of money. Maybe they see it as a legitimate threat now, or maybe they think that Pocket Pair is overstepping their bounds for what essentially is a parody. After all there is a good amount of proof suggesting that Pocket Pair at least used Pokémon models as a reference, likely even stealing Pokémon models for a few. Oh and did I mention that parody is technically not legal in Japan? Yeah there’s no such thing as Fair Use or anything protecting parody. Places are either left alive out of goodwill, or rigorously get permission. I can tell you now that Palworld did not do the latter.
Lastly, it’s worth mentioning that Pocket Pair is probably not such a great company either. They’re playing the “small indie studio” bit despite having signed said mega-deal with Sony and Aniplex, which has left many Japanese indie devs to have a bad taste in their mouths. There’s a few (alleged) former employees coming out and saying working at Pocket Pair was a nightmare with an abusive boss, and they were actively instructed to make characters and designs more Pokémon-like despite their protestations. One artist was apparently asked if one of his designs was made with Snorlax in mind, they declined, then their boss told them to make it more Snorlax like. There’s also been some tweets from the head of pocket pair in the past, talking about using AI art to generate Pokémon designs and making a game with them. (It’s still unclear if AI art was ever used to designs Pals.) Either way, Palworld definitely feels like a malicious parody in many aspects.
Either way my personal takeaway was that both suck in different ways. Maybe Pocket Pair is in the wrong and they did much worse things than we thought, or maybe Nintendo is just being the asshole again and suing just for the sake of establishing that Pokémon is their cash cow and no one is going to touch it. Either way it feels better to at the very least ensure the correct information is out there, instead of some weird telephone game of semi-truths. Speaking of which if any of the information I shared is false or disproven please let me know, I’ll try to correct it where applicable.
Finally a measured response. Nintendo has a way of attracting the most dedicated lovers and haters than sometimes its hard to even tell what's happening on either side. Thank you.
@@extracrispyy hey thanks man. Truth be told I’ve been getting less than pleasant responses elsewhere so this means a lot
Remember, if you ask whenever Nintendo is at fault in any given situation they are involved in the answer is always yes.
Ever since release people debating between pokemon and palworld is a pick your poison situation:
They either go with pokemon even though game freak is stupid and makes poor design choices.
Or they go with palworld which is a boring generic game made by a bunch of hacks who got rich off the vitriolic spite people had for game freak.
Either way it's a lose-lose situation.
honestly Ive been on about this, Pocket Pair is not like the Perfect Saint Of Competition In The Video Games Industry. They made a decent survival crafting game with pokemon like elements (and potentially stolen 3d models but thats just speculation). There are plenty of other games with pokemon-like creature collecting elements. Palworld is most likely in the line of fire because it ended up being touted as "better pokemon" (which I dont necessarily agree with, palworld is like a prerry good game but its no pokemon killer, ironically I think its too different from pokemon to take its current industry space)
It's quite clear that Nintendo only chose to do this out of testing out a legal precedent.
If they fail they lose a few loose coins of their huge coffer. But if they actually manage to sue it means they can patent basic game mechanics which means the corporation with the more money can obtain monopoly of something such as "catch animal in wild" or "ride flying creature".
This is truly dystopic.
Heck it's not even 'winning' at this point. They're bleeding Pocketpair dry since they announced Palworld Entertainment, similar to what The Pokemon Company is. Win or lose, Pocketpair is going to lose money, A LOT of money.
This is far from the first time Nintendo has pulled a patent out of their back pocket to sue someone. Generally they only do it to people they see as detrimental to the industry, but what fits Nintendo's definition of 'detrimental' is becoming wider and wider with each passing year. They're doing this because they're pissed about the creature designs _and_ the Sony partnership, but ironically enough, don't have enough of a legal grounds to actually sue on those terms. Dollars to donuts, this isn't even intended to actually go to trial. It's an excuse to stab Pocketpair with legal fees and then offer them a massively disadvantageous, possibly crippling, settlement, which they either agree to or get bled out from court costs.
They _might_ have Sony money backing them, though, considering their partnership. This might turn into Nintendo and Sony trying to stall one another out in court over the next decade before anything actually gives, depending on the terms of the settlement.
Nintendo legit patented birds and now are suing everyone over it
like this is a clown show at this point XDDDD
If they win they will open Pandora’s box and people will just file patents and sue everyone for everything. Square would be very happy to have a percentage of all of Pokémon’s profits because they essentially are the pioneers of RPGs. Heck I don’t even know if they could afford to pay that If that happens it could outright bankrupt Nintendo if they have to pay everything Pokémon and their other RPGs on Nintendo have made. Funnily enough Nintendo’s the biggest loser if they set this precedent that you can just suddenly make a patent and sue people for breaching it before it was made. A lot of franchises would be entirely nuked as their core mechanics would be patented by other companies so they couldn’t use them. Pokémon wouldn’t be able to have another game ever which while pokemon gets most its profits from merch no new games means no new merch either. This would straight up kill 90% of the industry leaving around just a few survivors. I’d imagine square would be the sole rpg owner for example. Maybe Nintendo would still have platformers but that’s about it honestly
@@ultimaterecoil1136
patents are only for big corpos not for small people like you haha
This is just a friendly reminder that pirating nintendo games is morally OK.
Pirating in general Is bad
@@thef.animator4950 pirating games from corporations is ok, pirating games from indie dev teams is not ok
@bartekmarze1863 this is the way
@bartekmarze1863 so your a hypocrite. Got it
@@shaunavant532 shut up, you cleary dont know what you're talking about.
To be honest, I’m just surprised it took this long
They had to file the patents first
I am not. Had they done it during the hype it would have made headlines. But now that the hype is down, it is going over without much fuss. Just better buisness that way.
@@Hegemol900 But doesn't doing this cause Palworld to get hype again, or at the very least get more attention?
Fr same 😂
@@ContagiousSpongeyea, but the big N really wants this game out of the picture.
At this point nintendo can sue a animal crossing the road.
animal crossing is a nintendo franchise, they cant sue themselves
@@ObrigadaJim he is talking about animal crossing a ROAD
Suing because of pokemon-like monsters ❌
Suing because you can throw balls ✅
Nintendo took 3 business days to sue Palworld
Can't wait for Nintendo to make being blonde illegal worldwide because that's Link and Zelda's hair color
So, before reading the comments of people saying that The Pokemon Company made a patent about throwing stuff at monsters in the overworld (basically taking posession of the concept of a monster collector game) I'm here to tell you that it's not true. An italian streamer translated the entirety of the patent and if you want to read it here's a (poor) translation of it. (it lists a series of conditions that The Pokemon company is taking ownership of, but they are strictly linked to each other, I'll explain at the end of the comment):
CONDITION 1,
the presence of an input that triggers a mode change where you can take aim to throw an object with a "fighting character" inside of it against another character present in the virtual space which starts a battle in the place where the object hit .
CONDITION 2,
The throwing of an object (that is used at least to capture characters) at a character present in the virtual space which starts a process in the cartridge that determines whether the capture was successful, and if so, that the captured character is now in the player's possession.
CONDITION 3,
The cartridge determines the process based on objects that simplify the catching process (the other poke balls).
CONDITION 4,
The cartridge also includes in the process objects that limit the character's movement in virtual space (mud, snow and water in pokemon legends arceus).
CONDITION 5,
The presence of a fourth input which allows you to stop the view on a specific character in the virtual space.
CONDITION 6,
The process mentioned in the previous condition also allows you to see a given factor that allows you to determine the difficulty of the capture.
CONDITION 7,
The previous condition's cartridge also saves data about creatures which, through a given input, allows them to be displayed (the pokédex).
CONDITION 8,
Condition 7 information also includes information from the current mission, including information such as the number of characters captured and fought.
CONDITION 9,
In the "throwing mode" mentioned in the first two conditions it then appears after the launch a selection menu with at least the options to fight or use objects, and if capture objects are used, the difficulty of capture is determined by the character's state in virtual space (red/yellow life bar, status effects, etc. ) and the virtual space character is obtained by the player if the capture is successful.
CONDITION 10,
Still relating to the throwing mode, in the aforementioned battle the computer shows an indicator of how physically strong the character is (the level) while in the storage medium a virtual camera in the virtual space can be controlled through a sixth input (the free camera in battles).
CONDITION 11,
Regarding the throwing mode, the computer causes an interaction between the fighting character and an object in virtual space, if it can guarantee an object to the player (making pokemon collect stuff by throwing them into trees and such).
CONDITION 12,
The aiming icon is different depending on the first or second mode (the crosshair changes depending on what you aim at).
CONDITION 13,
Throwing a given item at a character in virtual space makes the computer determine whether the special event ends after throwing a given number of items (Legends Arceus' bossfights where you have to throw food bags).
CONDITION 14,
If the battle is won through throwing objects or through a battle with the fighting character thrown against the character in the virtual space, the character previously mentioned in condition 13 has its movement limited for at least a certain amount of time (winning a battle against a boss stuns it).
CONDITION 15,
The completion of the situation mentioned in condition 13 is given by a specific parameter which decreases every time the character in the virtual space is hit by an object, and the parameter signals every time a decrease occurs, which will be greater if the situation in the condition 14 occurs (the health bar in bossfights).
Basically they made a patent about Pokemon Legends Arceus. If your game is basically PLA but with extra stuff they can sue your ass, and Palworld is exactly that. But the way patents work is that they have to be really specific and the conditions are linked to each other, for example the one about the crosshair: they can't sue an FPS if the crosshair changes depending on what you're aiming at, but if you copied the way aiming in PLA works AND the crosshair changes depending on what you aim at, they sure can sue you. With all of this said, remember that patents aren't laws: a judge can still say "I don't think they are guilty of copying you" regardless of what the patent says, so we'll have to wait and see
They still filled for patents for that AFTER palworld was out. So still scummy af
@@polymori Unfortunately you can patent something as long as a patent of it doesn't already exist. And to those that believe that they made the patent specifically to sue Palworld: no. Patents take a long time to make, and The Pokemon Company requested this patent a couple of years ago, and they modified it until the japanese legal system approved it. Don't get me wrong, I still don't like how they are behaving in this situation, but the patent was being developed before Plaworld came out
@@polymorithe patent process was for arceus so they surely did it around 2021.
Im not gonna deffend the patents itself but they where in their legal rights to do so
@@davidegorgoni8613thank you so much for clarifying for some idiots that believe they did it specifically to target pal world 😂
@@polymori You don't know what patents they are suing. No one does.
Edit: Ignore everything I said below. Assuming that Nintendo's using Japanese patents instead of US ones (that was idiotic of me), they do have a couple that they requested to be granted early. Sure, they were all published this year (Feb-Jul), AND after Palworld released, but the patents are real and given a seal of approval. They have a real leg to stand on. Pocketpair is cooked. I'm sorry for getting your hopes up...
I may not know how trustworthy that Justia site was, but if they're a real patent office, Nintendo is on some gold-tier bs right now.
There are two patents that Nintendo and The Pokemon Company filed back on May 2nd of this year, and let me know if I'm oversimplifying, but they say:
1) Aiming to throw a character that will fight with you.
2) Selecting, getting onto, and getting off of mounts, both flying and grounded.
Note that these are still APPLICATIONS, and not GRANTED yet. The patent offices haven't given it a thorough read yet or decided that it was cool and good.
Should this all be true... it would mean that NINTENDO IS TRYING TO SUE PALWORLD WITH UNCONFIRMED PATENTS. THIS LAWSUIT LITERALLY HAS NO STANDING.
If you're right, this better flop.
Bruh, I'm gonna patent driving a car so all driving games have to pay me royalties. Brb.
That's the US patent office though. They've had the same patents in Japan for years. Seriously why does nobody understand this?
@@zekrinealfa1113 bro you know you can't do that...
You gotta bribe the judge first
@@lovindan ...oh. I had no idea. Do you know where I can find proof of those? I just want to be completely sure before I retcon this entire thing, and plus, something about the mount one still seems far too broad for me.
Edit: I think I found the patents in question... and all of them were filed this year as well (spread across February-July). However, Nintendo has apparently gotten them reviewed and granted with accelerated requests. I'm sorry for spreading mis-information, and thank you for pointing this out.
Nintendo really did the "charging my ult lawsuit" ahh move
One of the 'Patents' is "player throws something at a target, and then the object thrown at the target effects the target"
Grenades. Baseball, football, hell literally any sport, Helldivers strategems. The act of Caveman Grug chucking a rock at a dinosaur. This is what they're trying to sue for as patent infringement, and they made the patent AFTER Palworld came out.
Now, I don't know about Japanese copyright law, but in literally every other country on the planet Nintendo would get laughed out of court for trying to sue someone because they did something a year ago that you patented yesterday, and then get laughed out of court again for trying to patent 'throwing something'.
I hope the legal process is extremely long and expensive for Nintendo, they win nothing from it, they are fined for wasting the courts time, and Pocketpair makes another 100 million dollars.
why "Finally", Palworld doesn't deserve this
patents are anti-consumer and slow down innovation 😩
imagine patenting catching animals with throwing nets
Finally as in "That took a long time"
It was expected Nintendo would sue, doesn't make it a good thing
I think nintendo might have gotten too cocky this time. Pocketpair has microsoft and Sony on it's side. This'll be a battle of the titans
You look like a bot, but you don't seem to be one (since you aren't advertising anything or doing anything of the sort). Weird.
Nintendo of Japan have a literal 100% success rate in cases like this, they arent losing. (And knowing the Japanese court system, the people behind palworld are probably going to end up in jail to, serves them right)
@@pineappleudh6561 "the people behind palworld are probably going to end up in jail to, serves them right)"
You sound like a monkey when you say stupid shit like this.
@@jurajsintaj6644 Theres The Actual Bot, Its Pineapple
@@pineappleudh6561 SERVES THEM RIGHT? Bro getting into jail for creating a game aint something that should be remotely possible
Nintendo: “This is fine.” 👍 Also Nintendo: “THIS IS NOT FINE. I WILL SUE YOU.” 🤬😡👎
Releases the Switch 2: "Lawsuit? What lawsuit?"
Get ready for those comments that said that "Nintendo wouldn't sue palword" to have replies saying that aged like milk 😂
Well to be fair the reason for the lawsuit was made after the whole debate. They only got the potent recently so their sueing post potent wich is weird
Yep, but to be fair though we all thought they'd sue them for copyright, not patent infringement of all things. If you ask me thats kinda worse, they're basically sueing them over game mechanics from what I understand. As a long time pokemon fan, I hope Nintendo loses this one. It's just plain stupid.
I mean, no one would have thought that Nintendo would then make patents months later and then use those patents to sue Palworld
@@tepigninja7198yea I hope it's not the same scenario as the nemesis system
Nintendo gonna lose
if they win make sure to clown on my reply
Whoever approved that patent ought to be tossed out, along with the patent, and that lawsuit
Palworld is a legally distinct parody, it would be like Disney sueing Space Balls or Univeral Studios sueing Galaxy Quest because they both have Space Ships.
To be precise, this is patent infringement. I don't think parody can be argued. I am not even sure if parody exist in Japanese laws.
at this rate Nintendo gonna invent time machine to sue Darwin for the idea of evolution
I remember when the PS5 was announced I saw a comment saying “Nintendo has the chance to do the funniest thing ever and release a console for $400”. I didn’t have to leave the comment saying that a company that sells games from the 80s for $60 wouldn’t do anything consumer friendly cause guy was getting ripped to shreds by other people. Nintendo fans are so fucking high on copium it’s crazy
they are legit apple and disneys worst aspects, rolled up into one big dookie in the games market, other companies suck but somthn about nintendo is just a whole other level of annoying
- Garbage ass eshop
- joycons
- enjoy selling a liver and your unborn child for a remaster
- Will dropkick a father of 4 for putting mario next to his dead cancer childs tombstone
- Petty ass mfs
- Your forced into buying a glorified ipad to play their games
and they own pokemon and gamefreak which are just the FIFA or call of duty of their catalouge, release same thing with a tweak over and over (except arceus that was was aight)
Good thing to note : by making this patent from scratch just to sue Palworld, Nintendo basically declared open war against EVERY SINGLE FPS GAME OUT THERE, including Activision and Valve.
Because since they patented the "throwing something at something else", this include rocks, bottles, grenades, etc... Thus things every single FPS game uses.
I don't see how this can end well for Nintendo
THEY PATENTED BASKETBALL?????
@@jeremypanjaitan4039 In video games, yeah basically
@@jeremypanjaitan4039
And horses
And sadly, they would actually have some leg to stand on. Did you knew Ocarina of time invented the "Z-Target" where you press a button to lock on an enemy to attack and shoot it? That means every shooter who relies on that could be potentially sued, most notably Fallout and V.A.T.S. Somehow the lesser evil of the big 3 btw.
This can end in literal riots 😂
why is everyone saying "finally" as if Nintendo isn't in the wrong?
They are literally suing not even for the designs, it's the basic mechanics.
They are in the wrong it just took them longer than usual
I think most people mean it like "finally, Nintendo shows their true colors"
Finally as in "That took a long time"
It's finally because we know how Nintendo operates. They don't become nice randomly.
Nintendo is suing me because my "cat" is clearly infringing on the rights to Meowth
Nintendo would literally try to sue a random blonde-haired kid who is holding a toy sword.
Stranger 1 : Never toy with Nin-
Sheriff Malloy : That man was found shot outside the saloon.
As many times as it has happened, what it's ultimately told get immediately exaggerated from the internet. I've informed myself with someone that knows a bit more about legal stuff, and to say that what TPC and Nintendo did to Pocketpair is INCREDIBLY more complicated that what the internet told would be an understatement. Long story short, they patented a very specific game design structure that would have been the caviat to say to those who made Palword "Just so that you know this, go in our way and we can put out this trump card. We closed an eye for the poor monster design that was blatantly close to plagiarism, don't screw with us again". Point is, there is no winner with this lawsuit. Palworld doesn't win since they got in the way of Pokemon by doing a very risky, but sly, move with they're creature design (but good implementation of other game designs ideas). Also TPC and Nintendo wouldn't be considered winner either for they're incredibly generic ways of specifics claims infringement and BRUTAL IN ANY SORT OF WAY concept of gatekeeping the way a game design is created, in an industry where sharing ideas and modifying said ideas.
"Damage"
Yeah, the only thing that got damaged was their pride. Such babies.
It's even funnier when you see that the patent was filed after Palworld was made
I hate that this video doesn't emphasize that the lawsuit is NOT about the Pals being similar to Pokemon but about the gameplay mechanic of throwing a ball to capture and release creatures. (Which would absolutely not fly in American courts, but a different story in Japanese courts) Also this video doesn't mention that Nintendo's patent was filed AFTER the existence of Palworld, meaning Nintendo literally made up a patent just to sue because there literally was nothing else to sue on.
The Patent was created in 2021 in japan, related to "throw a ball like item in a 3D envyroment that can catch or release a monster to battle
Breaking news!!! Nintendo has filed a patent on human life and is going to sue everyone who is alive.
nintendo will sue you for this video as well
I eat Cotten candy from my walls
If they do he should be able to win
Goofy ahh lawsuit
Nintendo will sue you for your comment
Nintendo would literally try to sue a random blonde-haired kid who is holding a toy sword.
Palworld literally vanished for a whole year
They did release a dlc somewhat recently
For real tho this kind of benefits them as it makes people remember this game existed
There are still a lot of players. Just not that much. It has a healthy fanbase which Nintendo is afraid of.
Pokemon didn't want to sue them earlier prolly as it'd make it way more popular
Thats why they are suing it now. Its just less hassle to do it once the hype died down then when it was active.
Its weird for nintendo to sue palworld even tho we havent talked about it in a few months
Yeah the game fell off but nintendo wasn't done yet 💀
They do now because palworld is past its peak and they can sue for more because they "stole potential sales"
Not weird at all, Pocketpair announced Palworld Entertainment, similar expansion to The Pokemon Company. They sponsored a charity event and collab with Discord. Most of all Palworld and Legends:Z-A will be released 2025. It's the business side of things that got Nintendo and TPC shook.
@@D3adCl0wn they sued for copyright infringement even tho they didn't specify which
Nintendo hasn't lost a legal battle they started. It doesn't matter the timetable, Palworld is gonna get screwed.
Palworld really had a few days of "look guys, it's Pokemon BUT THEY HAVE GUNS!" then vanished for a few months. I genuinely forgot it was a thing
Well it’s more Ark than Pokémon
Nintendo was scraping the barrel to find something to sue Palworld.
THIS POINT: *Nintendo sues you for having the word [moderators of nintendo have changed and switched this word as for their liking ] in your comment*
Nintendo's patent is so abstract, that if it passes, you will no longer be able to throw something at something and have that item interact with whatever it was thrown at so say bye bye to things like grenades in video games
Dude the patent is way
WAY more detailed than "throw something at something"
They made it specifically to block any pokemon contender
Still kinda scummy tho
I hate the fact that Nintendo is putting more effort in working on lawsuit against Pocketpair over throwing balls and stuff rather than working on Pokémon games that require some tweaking and fixes.
"How DARE you do the same thing I do but better!"
Coming from someone who played both, Palworld is nowhere near as good as Pokemon
Wouldn't say better, both have their qualities, but palworld is certainly far more innovative
Palworld lasted 2 weeks at most Pokémon is still 2 decades or more strong
@@Artesfol Yeah that's mostly what i meant. Pokemon has this huge ip but not many ideas. And when they do have a good thing like Pokken, they discontinue it. Scarlet/Violet was a good game but it was pretty embarrassing on the performance side of things. You could attribute that to the Nintendo switch, but both Xenoblade and Zelda run fine on it.
@@BroZilla-vh3tu As a person who also played both games, Palworld is 10x better than the other pokemon games (excluding pokemon arceus, I loved it)
I think this would do great for the game as more players will be playing because of the lawsuit.
Nintendo and Disney fighting over who has the most petty copyright
Remember when Nintendo were the underdogs and were getting sued by big corporations?
Oh, how the tables turned....
Nintendo, the Disney of the Gaming Industry.
"Don't try to make that guy look even remotely like Mario or we'll burn your hosue down"
- Nintendo.
I find this incredibly hilarious because if anything, this game is much closer to ARK than Pokemon. Basically everything you can do in Palworld you can do in ARK, the only real difference is that none of your "pets" (the dinos) can be used as weapons themselves other than riding them, and there's no capture ball, just taming.
*"Palworld made this with box of scraps in a cave!!"* -Nintendo execs, probably
*"I understood that reference."* - A dev from PocketPair, probably.
I haven't heard of pal world in months 😭
@@AltRightGamingRWGSerm what the kawaii
@@KomodoKrap420miku pfp spotted HIIIII
They released an update it was cool
@@Six4Six true
I eat Cotten candy from my walls
I eat Cotten candy from my walls
hello, i eat dirt
Nintendo gonna sue animals in the wild at this point
you just stole a comment, but still, yeah thats true
catching animals in the wild*
Nintendo would literally try to sue a random blonde-haired kid who is holding a toy sword.
@@DiamondEmpyrean8273 And that's why I'm glad TUNIC went with a cute fox
Nintendo declaring war on indies with these broad patents
Someday Nintendo would torn down an orphanage in northern Italy because one of the kid named mario
Can you patent something and then sue people for retroactive infringement? Seems kinda nutty given Palworld had been out for like a full year before nintendo aquired the patent
Nintendo would sue people for simply existing because humans are in their games
Patenting mechanics is such a bs thing. Imagine a country patented certain local food and then the rest of the world had to pay loyalties to also cook it. It's nuts
Nintendo AND Disney in a competition to see who can ruin their family friendly image first.
Remember Pokemon didn't invent the "catching monsters" genre, it was Shin Megami Tensei (or its spinoff Persona, owned by Atlus, which branches from SEGA) during the 1980s that started the genre
Megami Tensei, actually. The first game of the SMT series.
Though you don't throw balls in Megaten, and Nintendo is suing Pocket Pair on balls
1:16 I will forever be haunted by these exact same clips of Scarlet and Violet glitches for the rest of my life
“We’re too lazy to give our players what they want, so we’ll attack this indie company to prevent it from being a competitor instead.”
I don't think that much of a chunk of pokemon players is interested in playing ark with explosive sheep
@@blitzer9002 i was. Palworld was pretty fun.
@@nomisspell blitzer said "that much of a chunk" pokemon games still and will sell tens milions of millions.
Would you rather
Change the stale, almost 30 y/o franchise?
or sue anyone that does your job better than you?
Tbh Palworld has a lot of issues as well if you played a little longer, but they can atleast still fix those
@@broodjejonko True, it's certainly far from perfect, but it's still a way better attempt at "Open world 3D Pokémon" than any official Pokémon game. Sword & Shield, Scarlet & Violet, even Legend Arceus can't compare in any standpoint of quality.
If you change it it's not pokemon is it?
>throws rock at window
>gets sued by nintendo
Ah yes, I love corporate monopoly disguised as a kid's company.
One of the dumbest lawsuits yet
Nintendo hasn't lost a legal battle they started. You might think it's dumb but they are going to win this like all the others.
@@czarsquid855best to hold out hope.
Palworld stands!
They can't find any copyright violation and they resorted to patents. I really don't think this lawsuit will hold water. I really hope Nintendo loses this lawsuit, as if they win it would be troublesome for future developers.
It’s either going to get thrown out or likely end up in an out of court settlement.
I also hope Nintendo loses, but they are suing in Japanese courts.
I know! future devolopers might have to b- b- be creative without piggy-backing off of Nintendo! 😱😱
Not only that, but apparently they only patented the mechanic they're suing for several months AFTER palworld released
@@temxasred3086That’s not exactly true. Nintendo patented virtual world Pokeball catching mechanics in 2021 which seems to be the big one.
That one seems to actually hold some weight from what I can see.
The amount of misinformation in these comments and important information left out of the video is baffling note: this isn't a defense of nintendo or actions no matter what side you're on, it doesn't excuse spreading misinformation over this topic
1. This is a patent lawsuit now a copyright one they're quite different
2. The patents everyone are claiming this is about weren't filed this year they were filed in 2021 in japan and since this case is in Tokyo that's the only part that matters legally
3. We have absolutely zero information on which patents are involved any claims to people who claim to know is nothing but pure speculation. We simply have very little info
4. Finally this is more of a general explanation of how software patents are handled in Japan they are extremely extremely lenient with what they will allow to be patented and work on a first to patent basis, not first to invent this is why most Japanese Developers will patent very basic gameplay concepts to prevent patent trolling (which is when someone patents something purely with the intention of profiting on it through legal action and never with the intention to use or create with it) however, essentially every developer uses each other's patents and lawsuits over them are exceptionally rare even for nintendo who is known to be overly litigious so there's Very likely, much more about the case. Then we can now for now. That is extremely important
TL;DR: Supporting pocketpair For this lawsuit is perfectly reasonable, but that doesn't give people the right to spread misinformation and claim we know more about the case, then anyone actually does especially since there's probably numerous Important facts we don't know
Nintendo be like, "hey, dont forget, we are an evil company too!"
HOLD IT, I learn that the company made a game called craftopia that had these abilitie to throw a ball and capture animals as pets. That game was made before Pokémon legend arceus by a year. Making pocket pair the first to make that throwing ball at animal patent to pocket pair.
craftopia was a breath of the wild clone that was not as big as zelda game is was copying. but It had the item that allows you to capture animals with a ball and use them to power your stuff. this was first game that had that made and it was made in 2020 and pokemon legend Arceus was released in the year 2022
They just waited until the hype died down so they wouldn’t face as much backlash. What we, as consumers, should do now is fight back against Nintendo even harder. It’s high time we taught the higher-ups at Nintendo a lesson.
Sued ending: they sued palworld!
Hope Nintendo loses this case, this patent system is stupid and there needs to be laws preventing this sort of thing from happening
You would think at some point Nintendo would realise fan creation is got for pr, and excessive suing, is not.