“Hey guys, this lady is having issues with her scalp & thinks it’s our shampoop ingredients” “Hmm… have you tried gas lighting her?” Lol. See The issue is that People don’t generally self describe what they’re doing as gas lighting either 😂😂😂.
Awesome point about why Monat "leaders" only chat with each other for questions about ingredients hahaha, Monat is such a joke. I'd forgotten how there was a separate customer service phone number for people further up the pyramid scheme. Your content is so well researched, you explain the convuluted nonsense to actually make it make sense - your channel should have WAY more subs and it'll happen!! Your content is so good!!
Legit, their excuse for the labelling was that Monat has a "sustainability mindset" and had all these empty bottles that needed to be used up. Imagine this big f**ing warehouse just filled to the rafters with 2 years worth of empty bottles! It should be a tourist attraction! Lol. It's quite clear that they had excess stock and ingredients, and they offloaded it into markets where it was legal to do so (lillial isn't banned in Australia). A local rep said the smell of the product just recently changed, and now - miraculously - Monat will start putting a sticker over top of the old ingredients. I think the bottle was always correct. The ingredient was in there. And they just lied about it so reps would keep buying.
@LJTsMum Reps in America pointed out this issue something like 6 months ago, which I imagine is where the Australian reps got the idea to check their own bottles. Hannah Alonzo did a two part series on the death of Monat (mostly focusing in the American Monat) and I don't recall any response from Monat about why bottles from a year plus after lillial was banned from the EU were being sold to the reps. More recent bottles with lillial taken out and some stuff replacing it were already sent, but the reps had no communication about this happening or even that lillial was banned...one rep just noticed it on her own. Monat's sneakiness with this makes me think they WERE sneaking old product past people (esp because the rep that noticed got several products with freshly banned ingredients from grab bags) because it's illegal to sell something that doesn't have the correct ingredients list (and you KNOW they already had filled bottles to move!), but not illegal to sell something with an ingredient banned somewhere else. They accomplished that, and now they just have old bottles to fill and can slap a sticker on, as you said.
@@PointsofData 100%. I saw it even earlier than that. The only SED in Australia addressed it on her stories back in April 2023, and I saw screenshots from her private group chat where they were discussing it even earlier. One way or another they were misleading consumers in Australia because either a) the product was incorrectly labelled or 2) the bottle was correct, and reps (and corporate, who told them what to say) were flat out lying to consumers. Both scenarios are bad.
It's unbelievable to me how she keeps going on about how professional she is whilst smack-talking former colleagues. I was trying to imagine if I--when I was manager of a record store--held a meeting with my employees and did this sort of thing. "Well, you know, Cole and Rory just quit after I spent all that time training them. I came in with an open heart and should've known better. Next time I will!" My employees would have lost all respect and trust in me.
I had some acquaintances who labeled themselves as "medical freedom" advocates. They told me I was a danger to my grandchildren because I had been vaxed. That was only one of several objectionable statements that caused me to end my relationship with them.
Crazy statement, good you cut them out of your life. That is why it is not hard to understand that the teamlead on this call is accused of being a hypocrite.
Thank you for bringing up the "skeptic" to top leader example because that's the first thing I thought of when she mentioned not wanting them on her team
Fantastic video as always!!! This felt like a completely different animal than the ingredient debacle in the US. I just cannot believe (I mean, of course I can) that even after all the BS that went down already with the ingredients that they didn't prepare for this to happen AGAIN! Just like you said multiple times, how does Monat not have an FAQ on their website about this?! These people are resorting to illegally obtaining people's medical information because the company they're with is so dishonest and unprofessional that they can't depend on them at all to do the bare minimum. This would not happen with a normal company. Hell, I don't even feel like this would happen in most MLM companies (although, I've been wrong before!) I really love your content and always look forward to your uploads, this was incredible! Thank you for doing what you do!
Monat is so not prepared to run their business, it is wild. Let's see what their next launches in march will bring. No products to sell? Website down? Accidentally publishing MP's payments?...
i love how they say "when someone leaves, we wish them all the love" hahahahah!!! i highly doubt it. This call is showing how bothered they are when someone leaves and start spilling out the truth.
Someone leaves and I show them love. But also, totally funny that you didn’t disclose deeply personal medical issues that you were having with me even casually over zoom? This undermines any valid points you’ve raised which I just said we could work with. But hey nothing but love, right?😘
I first learnt about Monat coming to Australia from Hannah Alonzo in one of her monations vids and my heart sank. I have a couple of people on my social media who have been sucked into it and my heart sank even further thinking it was going to invade Australia like it has the US. But all this turmoil from within gives me hope that it won’t be as pervasive. Fingers crossed 🤞🏼 Thank you for a fantastically informative video!
Same! I had an ex-colleague get sucked in however she has not posted in quite some time. Hoping she got out (she jad gorgeous hair, skin, nails, banging all over tbh so I did not believe her hair transformation). Surprisingly, I haven't seen the Monat huns in groups I'm in (the gut health girlies are prominent though). Fingers crossed this is the beginning of the end!
Isn't it illegal to have your packaging mislabeled? Why do they claim to commit a crime rather than say that they're offloading the product into territories where it's still legal to sell the ingredient?
Lilial was deemed to be banned since 2020, then banned in 2022 in the EU. Almost 5 years later, Monat finally gets stickers over the top (which was my suggestion when I left)
1:25:13 Jess Etcell (australias only SED, earning $50k + a month) no longer uses most of the monat products because of this. She is absolutely choosing money over integrity. She hasnt told her downline aboutvthe risks. She just quietly stopped using thd capixil products (which is most of them). I think several other leaders stopped too. So they are protecting themselves and their families from potential harm, whilst still selling the stuff to their massive downlines of thousands of women.
I’ve been looking forward to your long video since your community post. Idk the topic then, but this video is wild!! It’s truly a rerun of exactly what happened in the US! It’s just crazy that they’re acting like THEY were betrayed when in reality the people who left were the ones lied to & are doing what’s right by spreading the correct information. It’s all backwards & inside out in MLM.🤯🤦🏽♀️ the leader has said over a dozen times if you have questions come to ME & I will find the answers which is information control. They should be able to say 1. Monat didn’t do that or 2. The downlines can do their OWN research cuz they can stand up to criticism! Them all saying they were anti mlm too is beyond played out. If you were anti-MLM you’d have never even heard a recruiter out!🙄
It is wild. The level of unprofessional, unprepared Monat corporate- again. Ingredients scare - again. Former distributors speaking up and causing internal trouble - again. Confused and overwhelmed huns - again...
Aussie-land might not have the unhinged religious manipulation that happens in the USA however Aussie-land can be unhinged just much because it's like a larger version of a small town - we don't have a huge population and so invariably any MLM company will have unhinged Aussie huns trying desperately to keep it afloat.
@@VanessaChats oh hell yes. I like putting my detective hat on to reveal the companies the huns in several FB groups are promoting. Haven't found a Monat hun in quite some time though.
LOVE ur content and snarkiness ❤ These Monat girls are gross. Total information control. Perhaps they wouldn’t need to worry about what is said when people leave if they weren’t being unethical, lying about ingredients, etc etc etc.
Tay: "im not afraid to have to tough conversations" Also Tay: "I tried to bait an australian influencer who was criticising me into doing an interview. But when she agreed, I realised that she knew what she was talking about I ran away and hid".
“Prioritises wellbeing of child” does not mix with “homeschooling” and “opposition to vaccines”… (homeschooling isnt always bad…some kids cannot go to school and sometimes your home area’s schools are poorly run or a bad match… but if you’re doing it out of a base distrust for all non-home-based school systems then that’s definitely ew.)
What?! why would they replace the collection and unqualified analysis of medical records?! Hope they had a better idea.. like I dunno a corporate resource?
Thanks so much for this video! I just don’t see how you could be so conscious about your health and still trust that the label, (even when updated) does reflect the actual contents of the bottle. This group of women considers themselves critical thinkers and they don’t apply that same lens to the company that has not been transparent about PFAS, lilial, red clover. Research, personal responsibility and Informed consent doesn’t exist if you’re not sure what ingredients are in products
I love listening to you during the day while I do other things. Your tone is soothing and mixing it with your dry humor is chef's kiss. It's an entirely enjoyable listen. When is "Mona" coming back? Lol
I think its sick and twisted that the product the questionable ingredient is in is marketed by the huns for postpartum hair loss. And here they are saying oh there are other Monat products that they can use when previously they had literally told these women that this is the best thing ever to help with postpartum hair loss.
How on earth does Monat still have old bottles 3 yrs since the lillial ban was put in place? Also the way that second woman argued that the reps who left proved they don’t know what they’re talking about because they criticised HER and everyone else in this industry loves her.. you can’t make this stuff up
I have the same question MLM UNMASKED has towards Monat Australia - where is the current AUSTRALIAN (not US) Income Disclosure Statement for Monat Australia ?! They used to supply this separate IDS happily until a few years ago. Also, if you watch MLM UNMASKED stories (and the real stuff is in her stories), you'll see how she has meticulously broken down everything and shown what is really happening. We have our own DSA (Direct Selling Australia) which Monat is part of and still not complying with nor do any of these AUSTRALIAN Huns care or comply with AUSTRALIA Consumer Law and Taxation. Victoria Devine also is another Aussie speaking out against Monat and causing them to scramble because unlike them - Victoria is an actual financial advisor who knows the numbers.
That is why this team is in such uproar. It is sufficient to state facts and ask questions. It is great that so many people speak up about these topics.
I could see being like "I recommend this product but, if you have concerns about xyz ingredient, then this product would be a better option." I can see selling a product with an ingredient you aren't concerned about but are aware other people might be. And that would be a way to address it without asking for private medical information. At least, that's how I would handle it. But then again I am not gonna join an MLM. I am also not crunchy. 🤷🏻♀️
The ONLY point is Monat touts EU ingredients as a huge selling point both to recruit & sell, that changed & rather than changing their verbiage or letting people know they still said EU regs until people found out on their own!! She keeps saying ‘with my experience’ to explain away why red clover topically isn’t bad like she has medical experience. ALLLL she’s done is prove she’s crunchy UNTIL her money is involved & then that goes out the window!! Why ask if they have hormone issues is you’re saying it’s fine topically?! She’s talking in circles. It’s embarrassing. OMG she titled the email ‘women choosing money over integrity’ she just said.😳😳 1000% true!!!!!! Wow, I have to see what the reps that left have posted; I’m already so proud of them.
Her problem is she’s taken an illogical stance. She could say that the science is pretty weak (or nonexistent) regarding some of these ingredients and cite the Pub Med research that is readily available on the topic. But she doesn’t trust science, so she has to try and split the difference, and as you pointed out, it becomes immediately evident what her actual motivation is. The reps that have left have every right to be angry that labels are being changed and product guarantees are being violated. However, that doesn’t mean that those reps aren’t simultaneously on shaky ground regarding their claims about these ingredients. What a mess.
@@d3pr0fundis The science isn't weak on this topic because it's never been studied. All the testing that Lucas Meyer did on Capixyl had nothing to do with women's hormones. She's not citing 'weak science' because she knows what has been shared about Capixyl is true and they know it.
It’s probably not a surprise when you consider the same people signing up for Monat are the very same saying sunscreen is dangerous and you should tan because it’s healthy … in a country with the highest skin cancer rates on the planet
Your content is sososo good! Keep going. You will build. Im an RN in NYC. Im at a point in my career where i can choose the families i "pour into" (hahaha) and I dont waste my time or talent on Medical Freedom people. I help anyone and everyone in an emergency. But the families i work with, I choose. One of the main things that scare me about this is why is she "consulting" with anyone about their medical issues? It opens the door for her to do "therapy" umder the guise of "coaching". Talking about your medical stuff makes you vulnerable. Thats why you shouldnt do it with just anyone, esp "woo woo's". Sorry for all the quotation marks but its important that we dont start accepting these terms as real. They are being used like real clinical words and they are not.
Interesting how they say that there's only trace amounts of red clover, not enough to effect you... but enough to affect hair growth and that they likely can't remove it from their product without compromising the results.
I don’t understand how these people pull the “shocked Pikachu” face whenever someone tells them about monat causing hair loss… like there have been law suits about it???? It’s been publicized everywhere????
The way criticisms toward the company/business model are twisted into personal attacks in order to guilt former participants is really rubs me the wrong way. Either they really are not meant to be managers/sales people if they take everything so personally, and have really mastered deflection from the actual concerns. Degrading people for not "respecting their time" but completely disrespecting the same people by recruiting them in an impossible pyramid scheme is just rich.
Yes, it is sad to see. But that happens regularly in MLMs because it can never just be about the product sales. It turns messy so quickly when they feel their payment is under attack.
I really….. REALLY hope that these information help to make both men and women smarter and open their eyes to the scam and bull-shit of these companies. I believe these companies will always exist in one form or another, but the people they target, will be smarter.
When talking about the email, they as briefly as possible address the valid points and then create a classic strawman argument about a comparison with vaccines and run with it …
1:48:18 she is only saying all this because if they leave then her paycheck flies down. She has to keep her team brainwashed to stay and to control the narrative. She says people can do what they want but deep down that’s not how she truly feels in my opinion
Right?! I’m sure they all have PFAS water filters but to yardy/yardy/yah through a PFAS they could opt out of ?! What in the granola is going on in this group????
I have followed Taylor for yearssssss before she was ever in Monat and really like her. I wish her well and hope she finds an alternative stream of income without this company.
The medical questionnaire idea was quickly retracted as they realised from antimlm account holder telling a confused MP it was overstepping their scope to include such health questions 🤦🏽♀️
"hard conversations" and "tough love" in MLMs and other cults really just means berating, insulting, shaming, belittling, blaming, and gaslighting. These phrases t4ell me everything I need to know about the people who use them.
I wanted one of them to say: INSIDE OF this business. And they did! Bingo! I feel seen! Christine, thank you for the video. I love Monat January Madness! Can't wait for Monat February Madness! Muhahaha!
So a crunchy girl finds out that she was lied to and that there are ingredients that may be harmful. How dare she use her common sense and research and then call out the company. Wow 🙃 Really? People luckily still have brains, yey!
I use to be in Monat, left for many reasons which many ex Monat market partners have addressed however just want to say I have been following Tay YEARS prior to her joining Monat and her following is in no way because of her husbands previous career. Tay has always been vocal and transparent on topics that I am also interested in that cover things such as foods, health and lifestyle which is what gained her following.
This makes me so angry. This was what I found out when I was breast-feeding my four month old baby. My hair was fried after a year of using Monat. Abbey Tameron had recommended for me to use the IR clinical line which contains capixyl and red clover extract. When we first started talking about my goals, I told her I was pregnant so she knew from the get-go before I even made my first purchase. She also knew that I was breastfeeding because I asked her if that was why my hair was so dry. She told me to just use a detangler and keep going. This when I finally severed my relationship with Abbey and Monet after a year of use. I told her I was absolutely appalled that the ingredients were not recommended for pregnant breastfeeding women, and yet she was completely aware and comfortable recommending those products to me, even though she claims she is a certified professional trichologist, marketing herself as an expert in the industry,… aka she should have known better. I will never stop wanting Abbey and all of Monat to fall and crumble to pieces. It hurts my heart so bad to think of any damage that I have done to my baby.
Asking if a customer has a medical condition or hormonal sensitivity would not be illegal in the USA. Saying a shampoo would help that condition would be because it's an unfounded medical claim. It is weird though.
When taking about Australia, the 'aus' is said with a hard U, not 'aus' in the way it's said in German with an almost breathiness, but hard. In Aussie, the 'ss' is said as if z. oz-zee and said hard or firmly, not breathy.
1:15:33 she thinks she has a 'gotcha!' moment because the email says both 'thousands of people have been affected' and 'some people are affected'. Is she implying monat only has like 1,000 customers worldwide? Because those two statements dont cancel each other out. 'some people' is 'thousands of people' in this case. Gah, it hurts my brain to listen to so much stupidity being relayed with so much confidence and authority.
I am glad she relented and allows her asthmatic child to use an inhaler. I have been on the anti side of the vaccination argument, so I can empathize and sympathize. I am no longer anti-vax, but I do understand where most people who are "crunchy" are coming from. I am also chronically ill and I rely on modern medicine every day to stay alive. So I am glad she has loosened her grip on those views even a tiny bit, and I hope eventually she will come around to the actual science like I have.
Australien ist eine Sache, die "Expansion" von Monat nach Deutschland (bold capitals) ist definitiv etwas, das ich auf meinem Radar habe. Wie stehen die Chancen, dass das passiert? Ich wuerde nicht drauf wetten :)
So, she's whining on a "*business*" call about being "backstabbed" by a former member of her team who had a bad reaction to the products & left because of that as if they had personally insulted her? While claiming she's "professional" & not gaslighting anyone as she actively gaslights her team? On top of the fact that she called people Nazis because they were trying to save lives by mandating vaccinations? Oh, yeah. I totally want to join Monat now after seeing such a pillar of integrity & compassion as Taylor is one of their independent contractors. /sarcasm
Second comment: Imagine someone recently diagnosed with Ca tells one of these women. 1st they would explain how the toxicity of the products theyve used is what caused the Ca. 2. They would make them consultants and tell them they can treat their Ca holistically and we have JLW Part Deux. Tell me this wouldnt happen. It would. Talking medical stuff opens a door that these women have no business opening. Im an RN x20yrs and 8f someone wants to talk to me about Ca i say "Thats not my lane". Its not what Ive done. I have opinions like anyone else but being an RN would put more weight to my words and when it comes to Ca, I have no expertise. Its not my field.
I think Monatcorporate doesn't want to provide information by design as they don't want to be liable. Monat is able to benefit from their contractors making claims without being liable.
This just sounds like the leaders are upset that they didn’t get the gossip before their “friend” quit. This main lady chatting is too much, I don’t need to know your reasons as to why you do x, y or z. Like let it go. Move on. Also yeah no one should share medical information. I’ve had my sons school ask me why my son was missing a week of school, I said doctors orders. They said what’s the reason I said well doc gave us antibiotics so he’s staying home. I am never going to say what he has because you are not his doctor. Ugh people think they are so deserving to know information that they never should be asking about in the first place.
In Australia, asking people for their health information isn't illegal. What would be a problem would be suggesting their product was medically appropriate one way or another. I think they are skirting the line, but I don't think asking people if they have hormonal issues is a problem. It would really depend what they tried to do with that information I could be wrong about this though, just based on my experience here
"I never gaslight anyone"
Also
"Everyone speaking up against me is a red flag."
Worlds collide! I just finished a Julie Anderson video with a Monat Australia rep!
“Hey guys, this lady is having issues with her scalp & thinks it’s our shampoop ingredients”
“Hmm… have you tried gas lighting her?”
Lol. See The issue is that People don’t generally self describe what they’re doing as gas lighting either 😂😂😂.
"I'm not here to talk badly about anyone"
"I'm used to being backstabbed"
Awesome point about why Monat "leaders" only chat with each other for questions about ingredients hahaha, Monat is such a joke. I'd forgotten how there was a separate customer service phone number for people further up the pyramid scheme. Your content is so well researched, you explain the convuluted nonsense to actually make it make sense - your channel should have WAY more subs and it'll happen!! Your content is so good!!
My favourite Christine praised by my favourite Julie, love to see that! You both are awesome!
Thank you Julie, I appreciate that a lot. I am glad you covered the same team in a great video. The more eyes on these shenanigans the better.
Thank you
Her saying “people who come in and pick it apart” is actually people doing their due diligence and asking the hard questions
I love that their excuse for having banned ingredients in their products is “the packaging is actually inaccurate”. That’s not a good look either!!!!!
Everything about Monat is so unprofessional.
Legit, their excuse for the labelling was that Monat has a "sustainability mindset" and had all these empty bottles that needed to be used up. Imagine this big f**ing warehouse just filled to the rafters with 2 years worth of empty bottles! It should be a tourist attraction! Lol.
It's quite clear that they had excess stock and ingredients, and they offloaded it into markets where it was legal to do so (lillial isn't banned in Australia). A local rep said the smell of the product just recently changed, and now - miraculously - Monat will start putting a sticker over top of the old ingredients.
I think the bottle was always correct. The ingredient was in there. And they just lied about it so reps would keep buying.
@LJTsMum
Reps in America pointed out this issue something like 6 months ago, which I imagine is where the Australian reps got the idea to check their own bottles. Hannah Alonzo did a two part series on the death of Monat (mostly focusing in the American Monat) and I don't recall any response from Monat about why bottles from a year plus after lillial was banned from the EU were being sold to the reps. More recent bottles with lillial taken out and some stuff replacing it were already sent, but the reps had no communication about this happening or even that lillial was banned...one rep just noticed it on her own. Monat's sneakiness with this makes me think they WERE sneaking old product past people (esp because the rep that noticed got several products with freshly banned ingredients from grab bags) because it's illegal to sell something that doesn't have the correct ingredients list (and you KNOW they already had filled bottles to move!), but not illegal to sell something with an ingredient banned somewhere else. They accomplished that, and now they just have old bottles to fill and can slap a sticker on, as you said.
@@PointsofData 100%. I saw it even earlier than that. The only SED in Australia addressed it on her stories back in April 2023, and I saw screenshots from her private group chat where they were discussing it even earlier. One way or another they were misleading consumers in Australia because either a) the product was incorrectly labelled or 2) the bottle was correct, and reps (and corporate, who told them what to say) were flat out lying to consumers. Both scenarios are bad.
As an Australian let me be the first to to say HOORAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yayyy :)
Devastated to say that at this rate Monat may not make it to Germany - I know you were looking forward to fighting them at home 😂
Don't jinx it. :) I have aready filmed another German speaking video about Monat. I should post it soon, just to be sure.
It's unbelievable to me how she keeps going on about how professional she is whilst smack-talking former colleagues. I was trying to imagine if I--when I was manager of a record store--held a meeting with my employees and did this sort of thing. "Well, you know, Cole and Rory just quit after I spent all that time training them. I came in with an open heart and should've known better. Next time I will!" My employees would have lost all respect and trust in me.
Absolutely. A "leader" in MLMs is just a word. But they have no clue how to actually lead employees and a team.
I appreciate the amount of work you choose to put into these videos. I can't wait till your following increases to even greater numbers
Thank you, I like doing these videos.
As an Australian who sees Monat Australia everywhere THANK YOU FOR COVERING THIS!!! Excellent video, like always!!! Please make more! ❤
Just started watching but I simply had to tell you the colour of your shirt is STUNNING on you!! ❤
Thank you :). Pinky is back.
She is so brave for allowing vaccinated nurses to care for her father. #inspirational
hahahahah
I had some acquaintances who labeled themselves as "medical freedom" advocates. They told me I was a danger to my grandchildren because I had been vaxed. That was only one of several objectionable statements that caused me to end my relationship with them.
Crazy statement, good you cut them out of your life. That is why it is not hard to understand that the teamlead on this call is accused of being a hypocrite.
Thank you for bringing up the "skeptic" to top leader example because that's the first thing I thought of when she mentioned not wanting them on her team
Being a skeptic is such an important tool to connect to others. We hear this from MLMers a lot. But here it is a red flag? Strange.
The lack of critical thinking skills is palpable. “I own my business” but also “corporate have said we can/can’t do xyz.”
The irony is lost on these ones
Fantastic video as always!!! This felt like a completely different animal than the ingredient debacle in the US. I just cannot believe (I mean, of course I can) that even after all the BS that went down already with the ingredients that they didn't prepare for this to happen AGAIN! Just like you said multiple times, how does Monat not have an FAQ on their website about this?! These people are resorting to illegally obtaining people's medical information because the company they're with is so dishonest and unprofessional that they can't depend on them at all to do the bare minimum. This would not happen with a normal company. Hell, I don't even feel like this would happen in most MLM companies (although, I've been wrong before!) I really love your content and always look forward to your uploads, this was incredible! Thank you for doing what you do!
Monat is so not prepared to run their business, it is wild. Let's see what their next launches in march will bring. No products to sell? Website down? Accidentally publishing MP's payments?...
i love how they say "when someone leaves, we wish them all the love" hahahahah!!! i highly doubt it. This call is showing how bothered they are when someone leaves and start spilling out the truth.
Exactly. There are a lot of bothered people in that call.
Someone leaves and I show them love. But also, totally funny that you didn’t disclose deeply personal medical issues that you were having with me even casually over zoom? This undermines any valid points you’ve raised which I just said we could work with. But hey nothing but love, right?😘
Her calling out inflammatory language is RICH
Yes, it is. How come she cannot see that?
I first learnt about Monat coming to Australia from Hannah Alonzo in one of her monations vids and my heart sank. I have a couple of people on my social media who have been sucked into it and my heart sank even further thinking it was going to invade Australia like it has the US.
But all this turmoil from within gives me hope that it won’t be as pervasive. Fingers crossed 🤞🏼
Thank you for a fantastically informative video!
Same! I had an ex-colleague get sucked in however she has not posted in quite some time. Hoping she got out (she jad gorgeous hair, skin, nails, banging all over tbh so I did not believe her hair transformation). Surprisingly, I haven't seen the Monat huns in groups I'm in (the gut health girlies are prominent though). Fingers crossed this is the beginning of the end!
Thank you for the long video! I needed it today. Love your content.
Thank you, I am glad it is live one a day you are looking forward to a longer video.
Bravo christine - this has been a wild ride. Thankyou for filling my afternoon with this wildly entertaining topic.
Thank you, I am glad it filled your afternoon with joy.
Isn't it illegal to have your packaging mislabeled? Why do they claim to commit a crime rather than say that they're offloading the product into territories where it's still legal to sell the ingredient?
At least in Germany it is fraudulent to mislabel products and mislead about ingredients that way.
@cdbeautyhunter1123 It's the same here in Ireland
Lilial was deemed to be banned since 2020, then banned in 2022 in the EU. Almost 5 years later, Monat finally gets stickers over the top (which was my suggestion when I left)
Disparaging people who leave the group and working so hard to discredit their worries, concerns, and opinions is a hallmark of cults.
1:25:13 Jess Etcell (australias only SED, earning $50k + a month) no longer uses most of the monat products because of this. She is absolutely choosing money over integrity. She hasnt told her downline aboutvthe risks. She just quietly stopped using thd capixil products (which is most of them). I think several other leaders stopped too. So they are protecting themselves and their families from potential harm, whilst still selling the stuff to their massive downlines of thousands of women.
Anyone who says they value honesty and transparency automatically cannot be trusted.
I’ve been looking forward to your long video since your community post. Idk the topic then, but this video is wild!! It’s truly a rerun of exactly what happened in the US! It’s just crazy that they’re acting like THEY were betrayed when in reality the people who left were the ones lied to & are doing what’s right by spreading the correct information. It’s all backwards & inside out in MLM.🤯🤦🏽♀️ the leader has said over a dozen times if you have questions come to ME & I will find the answers which is information control. They should be able to say 1. Monat didn’t do that or 2. The downlines can do their OWN research cuz they can stand up to criticism! Them all saying they were anti mlm too is beyond played out. If you were anti-MLM you’d have never even heard a recruiter out!🙄
It is wild. The level of unprofessional, unprepared Monat corporate- again. Ingredients scare - again. Former distributors speaking up and causing internal trouble - again. Confused and overwhelmed huns - again...
Boy, things are a mess down there. Great piece of content!
Aussie-land might not have the unhinged religious manipulation that happens in the USA however Aussie-land can be unhinged just much because it's like a larger version of a small town - we don't have a huge population and so invariably any MLM company will have unhinged Aussie huns trying desperately to keep it afloat.
Thank you :)
I am afraid every country has that level of messyness when parts of the population want to protect their paycheques.
@@VanessaChats oh hell yes. I like putting my detective hat on to reveal the companies the huns in several FB groups are promoting. Haven't found a Monat hun in quite some time though.
LOVE ur content and snarkiness ❤ These Monat girls are gross. Total information control. Perhaps they wouldn’t need to worry about what is said when people leave if they weren’t being unethical, lying about ingredients, etc etc etc.
Tay: "im not afraid to have to tough conversations"
Also Tay: "I tried to bait an australian influencer who was criticising me into doing an interview. But when she agreed, I realised that she knew what she was talking about I ran away and hid".
Wild!
Mary Kay pulled out of Australia and New Zealand with no warning. Monat can easily do the same.
So did BeachBody.
Yes, that can happen quickly if it is not profitable anymore.
Im sure they will pull out soon with this shit storm
“Prioritises wellbeing of child” does not mix with “homeschooling” and “opposition to vaccines”…
(homeschooling isnt always bad…some kids cannot go to school and sometimes your home area’s schools are poorly run or a bad match… but if you’re doing it out of a base distrust for all non-home-based school systems then that’s definitely ew.)
1:39:50 unfortunately for all of us, apparently monat corporate caught wind of the changes to the hair quiz and shut it down reeeeeeal fast 🤣
Damn it :). Well at least here, the company reacted properly.
What?! why would they replace the collection and unqualified analysis of medical records?! Hope they had a better idea.. like I dunno a corporate resource?
Thanks so much for this video! I just don’t see how you could be so conscious about your health and still trust that the label, (even when updated) does reflect the actual contents of the bottle. This group of women considers themselves critical thinkers and they don’t apply that same lens to the company that has not been transparent about PFAS, lilial, red clover. Research, personal responsibility and Informed consent doesn’t exist if you’re not sure what ingredients are in products
1) horray for monat going down!
2) yay long, long video on this channel!
Yay, to both. I am glad you are happy about the loooong video.
I love listening to you during the day while I do other things. Your tone is soothing and mixing it with your dry humor is chef's kiss. It's an entirely enjoyable listen.
When is "Mona" coming back? Lol
Came here from Julie. I did not get the notification! This is WILD.
Welcome back. It looks like YT is acting up again with notifications.
2 hours of Christine on a Friday? Let me grab a fresh cup of coffee and a handful of lozenges for my cough, this is just what I needed!
Enjoy the coffee and the video. Hopefully you feel better, soon.
I think its sick and twisted that the product the questionable ingredient is in is marketed by the huns for postpartum hair loss. And here they are saying oh there are other Monat products that they can use when previously they had literally told these women that this is the best thing ever to help with postpartum hair loss.
That is such a good point, it adds another twisted layer to the whole ingredients topic. They do promote is so much as postpartum product.
Slapping new labels on old bottles? Sounds totally legit 😂
How on earth does Monat still have old bottles 3 yrs since the lillial ban was put in place?
Also the way that second woman argued that the reps who left proved they don’t know what they’re talking about because they criticised HER and everyone else in this industry loves her.. you can’t make this stuff up
Wow! “I’ve never gaslit anyone” then proceeds to gaslight everyone using the false equivalency fallacy 😅 Noice!
These women are just.. wild
I have the same question MLM UNMASKED has towards Monat Australia - where is the current AUSTRALIAN (not US) Income Disclosure Statement for Monat Australia ?! They used to supply this separate IDS happily until a few years ago. Also, if you watch MLM UNMASKED stories (and the real stuff is in her stories), you'll see how she has meticulously broken down everything and shown what is really happening. We have our own DSA (Direct Selling Australia) which Monat is part of and still not complying with nor do any of these AUSTRALIAN Huns care or comply with AUSTRALIA Consumer Law and Taxation.
Victoria Devine also is another Aussie speaking out against Monat and causing them to scramble because unlike them - Victoria is an actual financial advisor who knows the numbers.
That is why this team is in such uproar. It is sufficient to state facts and ask questions. It is great that so many people speak up about these topics.
I could see being like "I recommend this product but, if you have concerns about xyz ingredient, then this product would be a better option." I can see selling a product with an ingredient you aren't concerned about but are aware other people might be. And that would be a way to address it without asking for private medical information. At least, that's how I would handle it. But then again I am not gonna join an MLM. I am also not crunchy. 🤷🏻♀️
The ONLY point is Monat touts EU ingredients as a huge selling point both to recruit & sell, that changed & rather than changing their verbiage or letting people know they still said EU regs until people found out on their own!! She keeps saying ‘with my experience’ to explain away why red clover topically isn’t bad like she has medical experience. ALLLL she’s done is prove she’s crunchy UNTIL her money is involved & then that goes out the window!! Why ask if they have hormone issues is you’re saying it’s fine topically?! She’s talking in circles. It’s embarrassing. OMG she titled the email ‘women choosing money over integrity’ she just said.😳😳 1000% true!!!!!! Wow, I have to see what the reps that left have posted; I’m already so proud of them.
I am glad the former Monat distributors chose to speak up. That is valuable.
Her problem is she’s taken an illogical stance. She could say that the science is pretty weak (or nonexistent) regarding some of these ingredients and cite the Pub Med research that is readily available on the topic. But she doesn’t trust science, so she has to try and split the difference, and as you pointed out, it becomes immediately evident what her actual motivation is. The reps that have left have every right to be angry that labels are being changed and product guarantees are being violated. However, that doesn’t mean that those reps aren’t simultaneously on shaky ground regarding their claims about these ingredients. What a mess.
@@d3pr0fundis The science isn't weak on this topic because it's never been studied. All the testing that Lucas Meyer did on Capixyl had nothing to do with women's hormones. She's not citing 'weak science' because she knows what has been shared about Capixyl is true and they know it.
I'm surprised that Monat has done as well as it has in Australia. I hope the Germany launch is a big failure.
Same
It’s probably not a surprise when you consider the same people signing up for Monat are the very same saying sunscreen is dangerous and you should tan because it’s healthy … in a country with the highest skin cancer rates on the planet
Your content is sososo good! Keep going. You will build. Im an RN in NYC. Im at a point in my career where i can choose the families i "pour into" (hahaha) and I dont waste my time or talent on Medical Freedom people. I help anyone and everyone in an emergency. But the families i work with, I choose. One of the main things that scare me about this is why is she "consulting" with anyone about their medical issues? It opens the door for her to do "therapy" umder the guise of "coaching". Talking about your medical stuff makes you vulnerable. Thats why you shouldnt do it with just anyone, esp "woo woo's". Sorry for all the quotation marks but its important that we dont start accepting these terms as real. They are being used like real clinical words and they are not.
Interesting how they say that there's only trace amounts of red clover, not enough to effect you... but enough to affect hair growth and that they likely can't remove it from their product without compromising the results.
The mental gymnasitcs is WILD!!!
I don’t understand how these people pull the “shocked Pikachu” face whenever someone tells them about monat causing hair loss… like there have been law suits about it???? It’s been publicized everywhere????
That surprises me too. I guess they cannot acknowledge those real, documented statments until someone confronts them with the hairloss.
The way criticisms toward the company/business model are twisted into personal attacks in order to guilt former participants is really rubs me the wrong way. Either they really are not meant to be managers/sales people if they take everything so personally, and have really mastered deflection from the actual concerns. Degrading people for not "respecting their time" but completely disrespecting the same people by recruiting them in an impossible pyramid scheme is just rich.
Yes, it is sad to see. But that happens regularly in MLMs because it can never just be about the product sales. It turns messy so quickly when they feel their payment is under attack.
Atleast they allowed people to talk and comment in the chat unlike that wfabb call
Wait - people are supposed to say thank you to her for helping her make money… WTF
Really appreciate the time and effort you put into this content. Excellent work. A+
Thank you.
I really….. REALLY hope that these information help to make both men and women smarter and open their eyes to the scam and bull-shit of these companies. I believe these companies will always exist in one form or another, but the people they target, will be smarter.
I hope so too. To recognize the next scam quicker or not fall for it.
As usual, Monat reps not showing us their supposedly beautiful healthy hair when they're promoting a SHAMPOO COMPANY.
Yes, that is a cornerstone of Monat pitches... Hide the hair.
When talking about the email, they as briefly as possible address the valid points and then create a classic strawman argument about a comparison with vaccines and run with it …
Yes, classic distraction
1:48:18 she is only saying all this because if they leave then her paycheck flies down. She has to keep her team brainwashed to stay and to control the narrative. She says people can do what they want but deep down that’s not how she truly feels in my opinion
Also, for supposedly "crunchy" people, they spent shockingly little time talking about the forever chemicals in some of the products
Right?! I’m sure they all have PFAS water filters but to yardy/yardy/yah through a PFAS they could opt out of ?! What in the granola is going on in this group????
I have followed Taylor for yearssssss before she was ever in Monat and really like her. I wish her well and hope she finds an alternative stream of income without this company.
The medical questionnaire idea was quickly retracted as they realised from antimlm account holder telling a confused MP it was overstepping their scope to include such health questions 🤦🏽♀️
"hard conversations" and "tough love" in MLMs and other cults really just means berating, insulting, shaming, belittling, blaming, and gaslighting. These phrases t4ell me everything I need to know about the people who use them.
Good lord imagine having to ask all these questions and health stuff over … hair care?! 🫣😹
Why does she end almost every sentence like a question? It's driving me crazy.
Right? :)
Oh
My
God
This is WAYYYYYYYY too much drama for some freakin shampoo 😂😂😂 Don't these ppl have literally anything better to do???
Right? It is about selling shampoo and turns into this mess.
Sunk cost fallacy is a hell of a drug 😂
I wanted one of them to say: INSIDE OF this business. And they did!
Bingo! I feel seen!
Christine, thank you for the video.
I love Monat January Madness! Can't wait for Monat February Madness! Muhahaha!
Long video is perfect for all the chores i need to do today!
Awesome :)
Only in MLM… this kind of meeting would never happen in a real business.
So a crunchy girl finds out that she was lied to and that there are ingredients that may be harmful. How dare she use her common sense and research and then call out the company. Wow 🙃 Really? People luckily still have brains, yey!
Exactly!
I use to be in Monat, left for many reasons which many ex Monat market partners have addressed however just want to say I have been following Tay YEARS prior to her joining Monat and her following is in no way because of her husbands previous career.
Tay has always been vocal and transparent on topics that I am also interested in that cover things such as foods, health and lifestyle which is what gained her following.
42:41 she’s acting like she is their boss
1:27:58 please note that "organic" doesn't mean pesticide-free, it just means that certain pesticides were not used. Wash your produce!
This makes me so angry. This was what I found out when I was breast-feeding my four month old baby. My hair was fried after a year of using Monat. Abbey Tameron had recommended for me to use the IR clinical line which contains capixyl and red clover extract. When we first started talking about my goals, I told her I was pregnant so she knew from the get-go before I even made my first purchase. She also knew that I was breastfeeding because I asked her if that was why my hair was so dry. She told me to just use a detangler and keep going. This when I finally severed my relationship with Abbey and Monet after a year of use. I told her I was absolutely appalled that the ingredients were not recommended for pregnant breastfeeding women, and yet she was completely aware and comfortable recommending those products to me, even though she claims she is a certified professional trichologist, marketing herself as an expert in the industry,… aka she should have known better. I will never stop wanting Abbey and all of Monat to fall and crumble to pieces. It hurts my heart so bad to think of any damage that I have done to my baby.
So sorry you had to experience this.
Asking if a customer has a medical condition or hormonal sensitivity would not be illegal in the USA. Saying a shampoo would help that condition would be because it's an unfounded medical claim. It is weird though.
When taking about Australia, the 'aus' is said with a hard U, not 'aus' in the way it's said in German with an almost breathiness, but hard. In Aussie, the 'ss' is said as if z. oz-zee and said hard or firmly, not breathy.
1:15:33 she thinks she has a 'gotcha!' moment because the email says both 'thousands of people have been affected' and 'some people are affected'. Is she implying monat only has like 1,000 customers worldwide? Because those two statements dont cancel each other out. 'some people' is 'thousands of people' in this case.
Gah, it hurts my brain to listen to so much stupidity being relayed with so much confidence and authority.
I am glad she relented and allows her asthmatic child to use an inhaler. I have been on the anti side of the vaccination argument, so I can empathize and sympathize. I am no longer anti-vax, but I do understand where most people who are "crunchy" are coming from. I am also chronically ill and I rely on modern medicine every day to stay alive. So I am glad she has loosened her grip on those views even a tiny bit, and I hope eventually she will come around to the actual science like I have.
1:02:46 I wonder what she said during her “hard conversation” she is taking 0 accountability and making it a personal issue.
1:26:51 she seems like a really smart woman. I hope she gets out.
Australien ist eine Sache, die "Expansion" von Monat nach Deutschland (bold capitals) ist definitiv etwas, das ich auf meinem Radar habe. Wie stehen die Chancen, dass das passiert? Ich wuerde nicht drauf wetten :)
1:33:56 we don’t want a reaction, we want MLMers to open their eyes to the predatory business model.
How DARE her downline make her work for her commissions?
I do admire Taylor for being willing to change her mind about pharmaceuticals etc.
So, she's whining on a "*business*" call about being "backstabbed" by a former member of her team who had a bad reaction to the products & left because of that as if they had personally insulted her? While claiming she's "professional" & not gaslighting anyone as she actively gaslights her team? On top of the fact that she called people Nazis because they were trying to save lives by mandating vaccinations?
Oh, yeah. I totally want to join Monat now after seeing such a pillar of integrity & compassion as Taylor is one of their independent contractors. /sarcasm
Second comment: Imagine someone recently diagnosed with Ca tells one of these women. 1st they would explain how the toxicity of the products theyve used is what caused the Ca. 2. They would make them consultants and tell them they can treat their Ca holistically and we have JLW Part Deux. Tell me this wouldnt happen. It would. Talking medical stuff opens a door that these women have no business opening. Im an RN x20yrs and 8f someone wants to talk to me about Ca i say "Thats not my lane". Its not what Ive done. I have opinions like anyone else but being an RN would put more weight to my words and when it comes to Ca, I have no expertise. Its not my field.
I think Monatcorporate doesn't want to provide information by design as they don't want to be liable. Monat is able to benefit from their contractors making claims without being liable.
1:51:23 both these women are just trying to control their income because the are in an unsustainable business model.
This just sounds like the leaders are upset that they didn’t get the gossip before their “friend” quit. This main lady chatting is too much, I don’t need to know your reasons as to why you do x, y or z. Like let it go. Move on. Also yeah no one should share medical information. I’ve had my sons school ask me why my son was missing a week of school, I said doctors orders. They said what’s the reason I said well doc gave us antibiotics so he’s staying home. I am never going to say what he has because you are not his doctor. Ugh people think they are so deserving to know information that they never should be asking about in the first place.
You're like the MLM Werner Herzog!
In Australia, asking people for their health information isn't illegal. What would be a problem would be suggesting their product was medically appropriate one way or another. I think they are skirting the line, but I don't think asking people if they have hormonal issues is a problem. It would really depend what they tried to do with that information
I could be wrong about this though, just based on my experience here
1:42:58 but non of this is really about the shampoo.
Bitte bitte auf deutsch übersetzen. 🙏