Non musician here and I feel like I am trying to understand quantum physics or something... seems simple but as soon as one beat starts I don't get how the other beat doesn't take over, he does it so well and makes it look easy... mind blown here...lol
i absolutely love agbekor. it took 11 hours over 3 days to learn it. and that was after sitting behind drums for 45 years. well worth the time spent. switching foot pattern and adding cowbell on left foot is the best. thank you, Peter, for the introduction. you are so smooth!
Another thing, is that all polyrhythms EVENTUALLY will resolve; in other words there is a single note where it recollects itself. Getting there is the tricky part. I like how this is done on the drumset, it makes it easy to hear
The book: "Polyrhythms The Musicians Guide" is for all musicians. If you are just starting out this book is suggested . A little bit of knowledge goes a long way, and in a short time you will know more about polyrhythms, how they work then most . www.amazon.com/Polyrhythms-Musicians-Guide-Peter-Magadini/dp/0634032836/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid+1420057131&sr=1-1&keywords=polyrhythms+the+musicians+guide
i ve never study music but i play guitar since 20 years (i m 32) and this video is very helpfull for me to understand musicians talking about 6/4 and other. Thank you so much for that, I really appreciate. Music is about feelings but it s nice to understand the theory.
I think not always one metter goes faster than the other one...eg. 5 than 4 (that happens in Africa, with a lot of percussionists together). But in a drumset the point is that they are two completely different meters and they would meet again on 1 of both meters after the correct number of bars necessary to reach the one.
@BeatScheme In "Stengah"(for what I know) it's two bars of 11\8 when Tomas plays the cymbal on the second bar on the off beats and it create like a one bar of 11\4,or the divison of bass and snare is like the guitars in each 11\8,you can count it like 5\4 and 6\4, 5+6=11,like Sting's song-"Seven Days"-Vinnie plays two bars of 5\8 when the accent of the second bar is on the off beat-and we get in fact 5\4 bar, and the others do the divison of 5\8
To be the best musician you can be you have to take things further, learn the math, the theory, whatever. BUT, once you get good all of this becomes second nature and you won't have to think about it anymore, so keep practising!
This clip is sooooo bloody helpful in making understanding poly rhythms & meters simple or simpler. Timing is everything. This is going to take a spell to learn, but practice, practice, practice. I try to jam to TOOL, The Mars Volta & old Rush songs to get my ears and patterns down. I find it's not about speed, but timing & properly TUNING your instruments. Without the basics all you're doing is making bloody noise. Thanks for these clips, they're a God-send. Cheers! = ]
@BeatScheme well now you're describing a polyrythm over a bar, but you could indeed have a polyrythm over 5 bars of 4:4 or 4 bars of 5:4. You could even have a polyrythm over 7 8th notes of your original tempo if you wanted, and then resolve with a half beat of fill, for example, if you were playing in 4:4 (the "5:4" being quintuplets of septuplets).
new: "The Official 26 Polyrhythm Rudiments" each rudiment recorded - 1st as the"traditional" rudiment then as the "polyrhythm" rudiment by: Peter Magadini www.amazon.com/official-26-Polyrhythm-Rudiments/dp/B004YFC5ZU NOTE - "The 26 Polyrhythm Rudiments" written out - may be downloaded at no charge. Go to: www petermagadini com and search "The 26 Polyrhythm Rudiments" in the "Latest News" section www.petermagadini.com
as a guitar player i try to write both guitar parts like this. its almost too hard to use polyrhythms to write a single guitar part with a single guitar...but i can write the rhythm guitar in normal 4/4 and write the lead guitar in 3/4 or 5/4, etc. it gives it a random feel but the music still sounds "normal". its great for writing unique pieces.
@BeatScheme Well,I do understand what you're saying,but Meshuggah,the players doing polyrhythms with each other , it can be may the drums do any signature time and the guitars,other signature time,*or* the bass drum and snare doing any diffrent part and diffrent divison than the cymbal does,mostly 4\4.for example - the and of "Electric Red" - 9\8 and cymbal on 4\4,after 9 bars of 4\4 they are meetting on the down beat.
yes I know, they keep them slow and rather simple, but it's pretty good in my opinion because it highlights them very nicely! Cloud Kicker and Animals As Leaders are my favorite bands because of this.
Meshuggah mostly uses a rhythmical concept known as a Hemiola where the rhythmical offset is a subdivision in the meter played, which usually is 4/4, so that it's cyclic, as you said, but in time. However the most foundational polyrhythm(three over four) is used in countless musical examples as it is simply quarternote triplets in 4/4 time. You are right tho, most djent is usally hemiolas or compound time signatures.
Cool stuff. All the Italian folk music on the zampogna I play is in 6/8 over 4. Left hand is playing 4/4 on bass chanter and right hand is playing 6/8 on melody chanter. Polyrhythms aren't just found in Africa. ;)
Love this and wish more popular music had more odd time signatures or polyrhythms, but it does not appeal to the general public and it's hard to "Disco" to... ha ha, but great video thanks,
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I think I understand this a bit better now. So polymeter is 2 different time signatures played simultaneously at the same tempo. And polyrhythm is 2 different time signatures played simultaneously at different tempos. So a polyrhythm can technically be eighth notes on the hi-hat with eighth note triplets on bass drum in 4/4?
Does the speed change when your playing polyrhytms? Like lets say someone would was playing 5/4 and someone was playing 4/4. They both are at the same speed and start on 1. Would they then both start on 1 again and meet up after 4 bars of 5/4 or 5 bars of the 4/4? Or is the 5/4 playing faster than the 4/4
@MusicalDarkHorse The polyrhythms resolve when they reach a common factor correct? Like a 3:7 would resolve at 21? Correct me if I'm wrong please because I've only been practicing these for about a week now.
Wow I pretty much just stared i aw the whole time. I really want to learn some polyrhythmic beats on the drums. I only know how to do 1 right now and it's just a simple one.
+Isaac Dahlvang Yeah these are the really difficult ones! The triplet polyrhythms all come quite naturally, but it's these quintuplets and septuplets that are the real deal! Really counterintuitive..
I can count 5 against 4 like "1 (both) 2, e (& a) 3 (e) & (a) 4 (e &) a 5" That 16th notes in a measure of 5/4 Don't play the counts in parenthesis. plus.google.com/103324690202526317286/posts/gu161fFdsHf
@LeopoldDavidMusic I do mostly listen to jazz music , i play jazz guitar mostly.I also played classical piano for ... 13 or 14 years now , since i was a kid actually . but yeah , i do listen to djent a lot . And tons of progressive . And that polyrythm thing is awesome . I use it a lot , since years , in what i play ... And yeah. It's tough to get other musicians to get what i do , sometimes. This kind of video will help me being better at it, and better at explaining it.
Humans don't speak like machines. Our way of talking comes out in various different phrases and that's how we communicate our ideas and information. And we don't even have to think about it. Polyrhythms are the same thing - a natural flow of sound that stems from communication.
@anautumnprayer easy example to understand here. have ur right hand play quarter notes at 120 bpms. and ur left hand play quarter note triplets at 120 bpms. now play em together. ur playing a polyrythme. ur right hand is landing 4 times per meaure. hence 4/4. ur left is hitting 6 times per measure. hence 6/4. they both meet back at the one. the video had a bunch of unnecessary music goin on, which confused me at first, but hopefully my example helped a lil
There are so many examples of this in music. Often, you don't even know it's happening, but many familiar rhythm patterns do it. For example, Hark of the Bells is 3 on 2. However,many composers are more in-your-face about polyrhythm. Frank Zappa, for example, relished in it. Watch "Zappa Plays Zappa : The Black Page #1 & #2 " . For the score, google "black_page-batterie.pdf"
his counting makes it understandable, 1-2-3-4-5-6 1, 2, 3, 4. They wrap back to the starting points on the divisible sections, or dvide it below the number, if the count is 6/4, you have a beat going at 4/4 and one at 6/4, they both repeat and start again every 12th count, how hard is that? He needed a guitarist to accentuate the higher number while he ticked the lower number with the drums. Or just listen to Meshuggah, one of the two.
@TLDBFH I was doing exactly the same thing! I had my hi-hat looping in 4/4 and my snare on the 2 and 4 while I was playing my bassdrum untill 6. I couldn't get what I was playing bu now I can!
@fizz225 meshuggah does artificial grouping, not polyrhythm. it's not really two simultaneously occurring meters as much as it's stacking asymmetric groups over a symmetric meter i.e. the intro of "Stengah" where there are no septuplets, triplets, or anything of the like- just groups of 5 groups of 21 sixteenth notes and a final group of 23 to come out to 8 measures of 4/4. in other words, polyrhythm is a ratio and artificial groupings (over the bar line) is additive.
@Hydraulacost you should check out bob brozman if you want to practice polyrhythms on guitar, he has some exercises on his website that are really helpful
Infact, most "Djent"/progressive death metal bands, rather than using polyrhythms, use polymetrics or compounded time signatures, creating the cyclic trippy feel you get from bands like meshuggah.
Pro Tip: Wrap your entire skull in plastic static cling wrap and secure with a layer of duct tape in order to contain the meltdown and explosion. Polyrhythms are the only math I ever want to know. It just makes sense, logically, and musically. It is too good to be a coincidence, it must be magic! Symmetry takes many forms but symmetry will always "feel right".
Peter's Polyrhythm books may be ordered from: www.stagepass.com/instruction/books/browse_items.hperl?instrument=drums&cat=92 "The official 26 Polyrhythm Rudiments" from:www.cdbaby.com/cd/petermagadini1 The Album featruring Don Menza , George Duke and Dave Young www.cdbaby.com/cd/magadini
i think 3 over 4 and 6 over 4 polyrhythms are very common..it's used a lot in rock. what kills me is the 5 over 4 and 7 over 4 7 over 6 and 5 over 6...i feel like ripping my brain apart..
"polyrhythms the musicians guide" can be found all over the internet. Just type in the name in a search engine; it will give you dozens of sites that sell it world-wide. same for " polyrhythms for the drumset "
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Unlocking polyrhthms is like opening the door to rhythm and time. Here lies the secret of 'groove'
Now this is an instruction video, not just some drummer showing off and expecting you to learn everything by watching!
Non musician here and I feel like I am trying to understand quantum physics or something... seems simple but as soon as one beat starts I don't get how the other beat doesn't take over, he does it so well and makes it look easy... mind blown here...lol
i absolutely love agbekor. it took 11 hours over 3 days to learn it. and that was after sitting behind drums for 45 years. well worth the time spent. switching foot pattern and adding cowbell on left foot is the best. thank you, Peter, for the introduction. you are so smooth!
this guy has been the "go to" guy in polyrhythms since the start ....respect !
I've started polyrhythms for about 4 years now, and it still amazes me how many you can make and learn by just starting them in different partials!!!!
this dude is one of the best when it comes to polyrhythems.
Another thing, is that all polyrhythms EVENTUALLY will resolve; in other words there is a single note where it recollects itself. Getting there is the tricky part. I like how this is done on the drumset, it makes it easy to hear
The book: "Polyrhythms The Musicians Guide" is for all musicians. If you are just starting out this book is suggested . A little bit of knowledge goes a long way, and in a short time you will know more about polyrhythms, how they work then most .
www.amazon.com/Polyrhythms-Musicians-Guide-Peter-Magadini/dp/0634032836/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid+1420057131&sr=1-1&keywords=polyrhythms+the+musicians+guide
but where can i buy this dvd at???? its a must have
This guy is just awesome.
It's terrifying how many people here are showing their "polyrhythms" obviously having no clue what it really means.
Great and simple to understand. That is why so many people cannot take jazz - they cannot follow too many rhythms played simultaneously.
i ve never study music but i play guitar since 20 years (i m 32) and this video is very helpfull for me to understand musicians talking about 6/4 and other. Thank you so much for that, I really appreciate. Music is about feelings but it s nice to understand the theory.
I learn more about guitar when I watch videos of drummers.
I think not always one metter goes faster than the other one...eg. 5 than 4 (that happens in Africa, with a lot of percussionists together). But in a drumset the point is that they are two completely different meters and they would meet again on 1 of both meters after the correct number of bars necessary to reach the one.
@BeatScheme
In "Stengah"(for what I know) it's two bars of 11\8 when Tomas plays the cymbal on the second bar on the off beats and it create like a one bar of 11\4,or the divison of bass and snare is like the guitars in each 11\8,you can count it like 5\4 and 6\4, 5+6=11,like Sting's song-"Seven Days"-Vinnie plays two bars of 5\8 when the accent of the second bar is on the off beat-and we get in fact 5\4 bar, and the others do the divison of 5\8
my...brain!
To be the best musician you can be you have to take things further, learn the math, the theory, whatever. BUT, once you get good all of this becomes second nature and you won't have to think about it anymore, so keep practising!
I knew Meshuggah's music was complex, but I had no idea that it was this ridiculously difficult to play and write. Holy crap
yep and sometimes they'll have polyrhythms and polymeters going on simultaneously in their songs!
And this kids, is what we call Prog Rock
Josh Eppard's the definition of progressive rock
Does it djent?
+luandf1 Nearly Anything can Djent!
+luandf1 do you even Meshuggah?
This clip is sooooo bloody helpful in making understanding
poly rhythms & meters simple or simpler. Timing is everything.
This is going to take a spell to learn, but practice, practice, practice.
I try to jam to TOOL, The Mars Volta & old Rush songs to get my
ears and patterns down. I find it's not about speed, but timing
& properly TUNING your instruments. Without the basics all you're
doing is making bloody noise.
Thanks for these clips, they're a God-send.
Cheers! = ]
Awesome video. There is a lot of confusion over polyrythms and this is as simple as it gets.
This man is amazing.
This old dude is my hero
Actually matt harplen the drummer for.the band Periphery has a great approach to drumming and a vast understanding of polyrythms
These beats are just mind blowing..:S...
@BeatScheme well now you're describing a polyrythm over a bar, but you could indeed have a polyrythm over 5 bars of 4:4 or 4 bars of 5:4. You could even have a polyrythm over 7 8th notes of your original tempo if you wanted, and then resolve with a half beat of fill, for example, if you were playing in 4:4 (the "5:4" being quintuplets of septuplets).
Thank you very much.
Amazing video that explains it great.
hey I am planning to start learning polyrythms, should I get both the books mentioned in the description?
new: "The Official 26 Polyrhythm Rudiments" each rudiment recorded - 1st as the"traditional" rudiment then as the "polyrhythm" rudiment by: Peter Magadini
www.amazon.com/official-26-Polyrhythm-Rudiments/dp/B004YFC5ZU
NOTE - "The 26 Polyrhythm Rudiments" written out - may be downloaded at no charge. Go to: www petermagadini com and search "The 26 Polyrhythm Rudiments" in the "Latest News" section www.petermagadini.com
as a guitar player i try to write both guitar parts like this. its almost too hard to use polyrhythms to write a single guitar part with a single guitar...but i can write the rhythm guitar in normal 4/4 and write the lead guitar in 3/4 or 5/4, etc. it gives it a random feel but the music still sounds "normal". its great for writing unique pieces.
@BeatScheme
Well,I do understand what you're saying,but Meshuggah,the players doing polyrhythms with each other , it can be may the drums do any signature time and the guitars,other signature time,*or* the bass drum and snare doing any diffrent part and diffrent divison than the cymbal does,mostly 4\4.for example - the and of "Electric Red" - 9\8 and cymbal on 4\4,after 9 bars of 4\4 they are meetting on the down beat.
I am so gonna figure this stuff out at my drumset with this video playing in repeat. I wanna get this!!
yes I know, they keep them slow and rather simple, but it's pretty good in my opinion because it highlights them very nicely!
Cloud Kicker and Animals As Leaders are my favorite bands because of this.
Geezus! That looks hard.
Meshuggah mostly uses a rhythmical concept known as a Hemiola where the rhythmical offset is a subdivision in the meter played, which usually is 4/4, so that it's cyclic, as you said, but in time. However the most foundational polyrhythm(three over four) is used in countless musical examples as it is simply quarternote triplets in 4/4 time. You are right tho, most djent is usally hemiolas or compound time signatures.
Cool stuff. All the Italian folk music on the zampogna I play is in 6/8 over 4. Left hand is playing 4/4 on bass chanter and right hand is playing 6/8 on melody chanter. Polyrhythms aren't just found in Africa. ;)
No but, they began there !
Love this and wish more popular music had more odd time signatures or polyrhythms, but it does not appeal to the general public and it's hard to "Disco" to... ha ha, but great video thanks,
I think I understand this a bit better now. So polymeter is 2 different time signatures played simultaneously at the same tempo. And polyrhythm is 2 different time signatures played simultaneously at different tempos.
So a polyrhythm can technically be eighth notes on the hi-hat with eighth note triplets on bass drum in 4/4?
Great Tutorial THANKS
Does the speed change when your playing polyrhytms? Like lets say someone would was playing 5/4 and someone was playing 4/4. They both are at the same speed and start on 1. Would they then both start on 1 again and meet up after 4 bars of 5/4 or 5 bars of the 4/4? Or is the 5/4 playing faster than the 4/4
Thanks a lot.
@MusicalDarkHorse The polyrhythms resolve when they reach a common factor correct? Like a 3:7 would resolve at 21? Correct me if I'm wrong please because I've only been practicing these for about a week now.
Excellent explanation!!
I'm so stoned right now this made me grove out and start dancing lol
Wow I pretty much just stared i aw the whole time. I really want to learn some polyrhythmic beats on the drums. I only know how to do 1 right now and it's just a simple one.
difficulty isnt what brought us here. Its understanding what it is.
Got an example? I'm sure a lot of guitarists (including myself) would be interested in seeing something written like that. Thank you in advance.
WoW! very good job with your 5/4 that takes real skill. :)
+Isaac Dahlvang Yeah these are the really difficult ones! The triplet polyrhythms all come quite naturally, but it's these quintuplets and septuplets that are the real deal! Really counterintuitive..
I can count 5 against 4 like "1 (both) 2, e (& a) 3 (e) & (a) 4 (e &) a 5" That 16th notes in a measure of 5/4 Don't play the counts in parenthesis. plus.google.com/103324690202526317286/posts/gu161fFdsHf
Salvia Divinorum Wow, impressive! But can you play this while improvising?
Been doing polyrhythms for years but not sure I would recognize them if I heard them.
Where is this clip taken from? (polyrhythm the album with george duke I will never grow tired of..Inspired genius!)
@LeopoldDavidMusic I do mostly listen to jazz music , i play jazz guitar mostly.I also played classical piano for ... 13 or 14 years now , since i was a kid actually .
but yeah , i do listen to djent a lot . And tons of progressive . And that polyrythm thing is awesome . I use it a lot , since years , in what i play ... And yeah. It's tough to get other musicians to get what i do , sometimes. This kind of video will help me being better at it, and better at explaining it.
Humans don't speak like machines. Our way of talking comes out in various different phrases and that's how we communicate our ideas and information. And we don't even have to think about it. Polyrhythms are the same thing - a natural flow of sound that stems from communication.
I miss my Roland td-12's, they use to do all the talking for me.
Cool !
very helpful!! Thankyou
very helpful, brilliant !
@anautumnprayer easy example to understand here. have ur right hand play quarter notes at 120 bpms. and ur left hand play quarter note triplets at 120 bpms. now play em together. ur playing a polyrythme. ur right hand is landing 4 times per meaure. hence 4/4. ur left is hitting 6 times per measure. hence 6/4. they both meet back at the one. the video had a bunch of unnecessary music goin on, which confused me at first, but hopefully my example helped a lil
still love it!!
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There are so many examples of this in music. Often, you don't even know it's happening, but many familiar rhythm patterns do it. For example, Hark of the Bells is 3 on 2. However,many composers are more in-your-face about polyrhythm. Frank Zappa, for example, relished in it. Watch "Zappa Plays Zappa : The Black Page #1 & #2 " . For the score, google "black_page-batterie.pdf"
Well That was amazing
thanks!
so if i did quarters on the kick and dotted quarters on snare would that be a polyrythem?
what is this Magadini´s instructional dvd , not the images news , the others images (two diferents images, from two diferents dvd)
his counting makes it understandable, 1-2-3-4-5-6 1, 2, 3, 4. They wrap back to the starting points on the divisible sections, or dvide it below the number, if the count is 6/4, you have a beat going at 4/4 and one at 6/4, they both repeat and start again every 12th count, how hard is that? He needed a guitarist to accentuate the higher number while he ticked the lower number with the drums. Or just listen to Meshuggah, one of the two.
I had to do that for an audition once. I don't know how I did it haha. It took weeks to master though lol.
I really dug this vid
awesome
I watched this as a non-musician :P
Holy crap, I'd love to try and work out 7/4 time :) Great vid, polyrhythms are awesome and this was a really educational video :)
@TLDBFH I was doing exactly the same thing! I had my hi-hat looping in 4/4 and my snare on the 2 and 4 while I was playing my bassdrum untill 6. I couldn't get what I was playing bu now I can!
@fizz225 meshuggah does artificial grouping, not polyrhythm. it's not really two simultaneously occurring meters as much as it's stacking asymmetric groups over a symmetric meter i.e. the intro of "Stengah" where there are no septuplets, triplets, or anything of the like- just groups of 5 groups of 21 sixteenth notes and a final group of 23 to come out to 8 measures of 4/4. in other words, polyrhythm is a ratio and artificial groupings (over the bar line) is additive.
So is a polyrhythem 2 time signatures played at the same time ?
@Hydraulacost you should check out bob brozman if you want to practice polyrhythms on guitar, he has some exercises on his website that are really helpful
Beast.
awesome :)
5 over 4. Mother of God.
(1) e & a 2 (e) & a 3 e (&) a 4 e & (a) 5 e & a [ in five, counting 16th, the one hand plays the numbers and the other plays w/ is parenthesis]
Infact, most "Djent"/progressive death metal bands, rather than using polyrhythms, use polymetrics or compounded time signatures, creating the cyclic trippy feel you get from bands like meshuggah.
Who can dislike this?
Yes, Tool
@underprog oh yeah!
@MaroMeshuggah
and also in "Pravus" or "Ratzional Gaze" solo,and some more
Pro Tip: Wrap your entire skull in plastic static cling wrap and secure with a layer of duct tape in order to contain the meltdown and explosion. Polyrhythms are the only math I ever want to know. It just makes sense, logically, and musically. It is too good to be a coincidence, it must be magic! Symmetry takes many forms but symmetry will always "feel right".
heeeee he is my jazz drum teacher
So a polyrhythm is just one rhythm played over another? I'm confused
i playing bass for 5 year and actually i can understand this !! . i think is because i not have a drum set but i play drum air XD
I can get the cowbell beat with the hi hat beat from 0:35 but absolutely lost on the beat of the toms.
Peter's Polyrhythm books may be ordered from: www.stagepass.com/instruction/books/browse_items.hperl?instrument=drums&cat=92
"The official 26 Polyrhythm Rudiments" from:www.cdbaby.com/cd/petermagadini1
The Album featruring Don Menza , George Duke and Dave Young www.cdbaby.com/cd/magadini
To use an American expression:
Awesome.
o:49...... I need to learn how to play that
i think 3 over 4 and 6 over 4 polyrhythms are very common..it's used a lot in rock. what kills me is the 5 over 4 and 7 over 4 7 over 6 and 5 over 6...i feel like ripping my brain apart..
I want to learn this shit so bad but I'm entirely lost... do I need to go back to music basics to understand any of this?
i might buy that musician's guide to poly rhythms anybody have it?
Who's bright idea was it to put background music on top of someone explaining music? Do you want me to hate you?
"polyrhythms the musicians guide" can be found all over the internet. Just type in the name in a search engine; it will give you dozens of sites that sell it world-wide. same for
" polyrhythms for the drumset "
THE FACELESS YEEAAAH!
Bro polyrhythm ** with my head but its why i love Periphery tho
3:45 polymetric modulation