ROCKPro64 Single Board Computer
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- Опубликовано: 22 ноя 2022
- In this video I show off my RockPro64 Single Board Computer and explain why I think its a good SBC option lieu of raspberry pi's being expensive due to resellers.
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these micro computer names are getting less and less edible as we go along
Don't eat pinecones
Pine needles make a nice tea tho
This edible ain't shi-
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@@rune.theocracy boowomp
You don't eat rocks?
7th dimensional theory is Rasp pi production is reduced while they install the backdoors needed by 5 eyes.
Put down the Expo. It's ok nobody is here to hurt you. We can help.
It glows..
This is why I buy from China, they're too cheap to install backdoors.
@@CantoniaCustoms Maybe they already have the backdoor install integrated in the factory line and that's why they make them cheaper.
@@almaefogo here's to hoping "everything made in China breaks" apllies to the backdoors lol
Dang, I just checked the store where I bought my 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 B in 2020... I remember that I paid around 60-70€ for a set with the Pi, casing, heat sinks and a little fan. Now a similar set (but without any heat sinks or fan) is at around 255€ 💀
Same I bought mine in early summer 2021 and paid like 85$ for the whole kit and shabang like you. Think it came with a microSD and stuff too. 8GB kit too.
This is why china SBCs are taking over, 1/4 the price and does exactly the same or better. and you got some ricepis with 8 threads sata nvme pcie 4x etc. etc.
I got a Jetson Nano, now is sold as high as some laptops lmao
You can buy Chromebooks for like 90-150€ for that price it's insane how overpriced they became.
Many developers in the sbc scene are exited about the visionfive2, which reaches almost pi4's performance.
The problem is that every major industry is hoarding them in case China invades Taiwan, disrupting TSMC then suddenly any sort of custom, application-specific, chip becomes unobtainium. No one wants to stop automotive or aviation or whatever major production because they can’t get a $1 custom microcontroller or ASIC. A programmable microcontroller or an affordable SBC is almost future-proof for the same uses.
I was about to post "Perhaps a foreign power is buying the Pi4s up." I was thinking that they could be used in drone technology.
@@Kenobi5001 The military industrial complex is certainly one of those industries that isn’t going to stop production just because they didn’t want to hoard Pis. Definitely counts as one of those “major industries” I mentioned. ;)
@@FingerDawg You, however, would need computer technology to continue leaving those real witty comments!
God i fucking hate globalism. Market offshoring is one of the dangers of global capitalism.
"b- but globalism is a conspiracy theory" -- some idiot who does not understand logistics
@@uniqueprogressive9908 Well, ASML still holds a total monopoly on the EUV lithography equipment TSMC and other foundries need to produce the most advanced chips, so it’s even worse than it sounds.
The PCIE interface lets you plug in a Mesa-6I25 card, and turn the thing into a pretty capable CNC controller.
It's suspicious how long these have been out of stock. Every other company that struggled with the microchip shortage recovered, and many were back to normal awhile back. I wonder
Raspberry Pi’s are mostly going to commercial customers while a few likely > 5% are going to consumers
@@caden3241 yeah, it really does suck but between them getting snapped up for off label industrial use and the run that got done back when Helium mining was a thing the market for the Rpi4 never really recovered
Have you seen those Raspberry Pi Supercomputers the Uni's have had their students build. Pretty sure they are selling majority before they ever make it to market.
It’s hoarding. The industrial sector is preparing for the worst: No TSMC after China invades Taiwan. No more 3¢ microcontrollers or $1 ASICs… not even $50 FPGAs. They need all the programmable microcontrollers and SBCs they can get so they don’t have to suspend automotive or aviation or military or whatever other production may need them in the future.
Russian missiles guiding system maybe?🤷♂
I think what I'd most like to see with this or any other SBCs you cover would be how to make your own router or NAS; being able to free one's self from proprietary (and often inferior) ISP-provided routers or from Big Tech's cloud storage would be god-sends from IT n00bs like myself and others...
Aliexpress x86 SBC with intel NICs + opnsense is the way to go, or just use any x86 desktop board with at least 2 ethernet ports, but that's rather power hungry compared to the SBCs.
Congrats on getting a sbc! I use them only for hosting bots and as a router. Thanks for the rockpro64 review, I'll probably get it lol
I was thinking about using the 2gb version of this to use opensense, what software do you use and what are the specs, not sure what I would need since I have 1000mbps down and 200mbps up(I really need higher upload since the torrents alone can use it all.
Great overview and recommendation for a SBC. I'd really love to see a detailed setup video of a Tor relay setup on an ARM system... I've tried it myself some time ago with a pi4 but failed miserably - so as always I am looking forward to whatever quality content you provide. Thanks for the great work. Keep it up.
CONGRATS ON YOUR FIRST SBC!!! I'm looking into getting my own SBC sometime for Christmas soon (OrangePi 5 16GB)
God I love the RK3588
Some of my favorite SBCs right now are the friendlyelec R5S r4s khadas vim3 and vim4 I’ve probably used 50 of each of these this year and very happy with them
I think a (recursive) DNS sinkhole like pihole or others would be a great topic to visit. Fairly straightforward for beginners and genuinely improves network performance!
Nice video :) I don’t really see these boards ever mentioned anywhere by SBC RUclipsrs. I’m actually getting a Quartz64 Model-A 8GB for some projects I wanted to work on. It has pretty similar specs to the RockPro64, say for the slightly weaker processor with the inclusion of the Mali GPU Processors on board, but it also includes a SATA port on it so I can plug in an SSD or HDD if I ever needed to. I might get this one too just for the inclusion of greater GPIO support.
Glad to see you reveiw this. Have a PinePhone and PineBook Pro. Haven't picked up a Rock6 because I've got an extra Pinebook, but could see it becoming a goto for some usecases.
Awesome video as always, keep up the good work!
Love your videos thanks for keeping tor alive
I remember rhasberry used to be 30 bucks lol
This and the small size/energy usage (but that was not such a problem with low energy cost back then) was the main selling point
@@peterhenkel9957 for sure
@@Troonielicious 10 for a pi zero w...
I wish you have explained more as far as what those things are used for
Love your channel, keep it up
I didn't know they'd support multiple drives. That definitely puts them at the top of my list. Drop a couple in a 4u chassis and have multiple storage servers in one tidy box.
It has been possible to plug PCI cards into the RPI ever since the CM4 model because you can plug it into an external board with PCI sockets, but this is definitely much more convenient and efficient for homemade routers and retro gaming builds (with old GPUs, sound cards, etc for really old dos, arcade, etc games) than the simplest setup for the RPI.
That PCIe is pretty dope. Definitely made my ears perk up.
I might have to grab a couple of these.
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The problem with arm based sbc other then the PI is that they often don't have nearly as much softeware support as the PI. With x86 it's no problem since x86 just runs anything that runs on a desktop, but on arm every distro needs to be specifically made for whatever SBC the device is usinng or even specific of that device. So much for arm being the future.
Yeah I'm leery of buying a non-pi ARM SBC for exactly that reason. I've been eyeballing the odroid H3 which is intel powered and compatible with everything. It's a bit more money though.
Your other option is to learn to build your own stuff with C, or Rust, but that kills accessibility.
It is easy to switch to arm. Its not like 10 years ago. I haven't used x86 for like 300+days. Even gaming is possible through emulators for 2000s or early consoles.
@@capitalismftw504 The problem is that ARM SBC's aren't as universal as x86 SBC's are. If it's x86, pretty much any x86 distro will work on it. These ARM sbcs have hardware specific to them so they often need special distro's supplied by the maker.
That's what's made the PI the defacto standard. The fact you can run most distro's on them.
This sounds cool, I was focused on the newer quartz64 by pine, but this might actually be the more interesting one. Especially if it’s viable for a router build.
I needed this video!!!! Cant find a Pi and want to make a finance clock
I'm glad to have a RPi 4, because of the support for it, though I use it as a LAN-Server. It's definitely enough so I don't need anything faster.
But I do have a project where I definitely need a bigger CPU. I originally planned another RPi 4 for it, but other SBCs seem better for the job and since I'll have to build a custom enclosure, I'll probably go with something like the Rock Pro 64.
interesting, thanks for this info was looking at some pi's and going "ayo these what's with these prices" always nice for alternatives!
sbc with the rk3588s seem to be the way to go. the new chip has a lot of advanced features that make it a generational jump over older ones
The Pi Foundation is prioritizing providing new boards to go to the industries still, for now.
Nice snazzy new board. I've seen it reviewed on some other channels already. Looks cool.
I like how it has a proper barrel connector for power input instead of flimsy USB-C.
I found an unauthorised reseller last year, selling RPis, but they were at heavy scalper prices. Then I found an official reseller had them in stock at normal price and quickly bought them
Pi yi yi those ARE expensive! Rock out baby...
PS: Thank you kindly for running a TOR node, Mental....cheers.
oh look, the review I've been waiting for since the original announcement, I wonder if they do international shipping
ive recently taken a look at the orange pi 5 (i ordered a 16gb model), it looks like a sweet deal for ~$100 with a pretty good arm64 cpu and not bad gpu. im probably going to use it for running klipper (a fw for 3d printing), a website, a nas, or a portable laptop for programming and games. I also found out about a software called box86 that lets you run x86 apps on arm which im excited to try. the only downside i see so far are no built in wifi & bluetooth just like the rockpi (the orange pi 5 is very barebones compared to the 4 which had everything a modern laptop needed but was slower and overheated more than the 5).
I think it would be cool to see a review on this since its relitively new and i think lots would enjoy it :)
looking forward to seeing how making a node of it works!
Congrats and thanks for posting
Pi 4 has PCIe but it is used for onboard peripherals. The compute module however, does break it out, so you will find a lot of carrier boards with PCIe around.
Nice, I even managed to get a fibre channel card work on this little guy
I'd prefer an SBC with the newer RK3588/RK3588S, also supports more than 4GB RAM. Something similar like the Orange Pi 5 but with flexible addon (PCIe) slot. So many SBCs, but all have their downsides when it comes to I/O, which is always limited. Or price. 😊
I have never heard the term data hoarder before but like that is a very succinct term.
Olimex has also some nice SBCs that are very open source friendly, affordable and still in stock. They even open source a lot of their board designs.
Very nice! Looking forward to your videos on this. This might be a banana pi killer. Very interested to see how you get along with this.
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I've been waiting for pi prices to go down so I can set up octoprint for my 3d printer, but one of these should do nicely
Eben Upton from the Pi Foundation has an interview on Explaining Computers (YT). They have had hideous supply problems and intense demand especially from the embedded device market which is going gangbusters. He also said expect no Pi 5 in 2023, they have to stabilise supply first. As for Pine - interesting gear but software support wasn't great. I used a Rock64 as a main mini server for years (until it's USB 3 port started to fail). Armbian was a lifesaver for that thing.
With the RPis, there are still supply chain issues. And the boards that get manufactured tend to go towards commercial companies that rely on the boards - so the stock that's left for commercial stores to sell to the public is tiny.
I'm thinking about getting one to host a small NAS and I was wondering if that would be really possible with a SBC
Semi OT, but I like the idea of running a Tor relay safely and have some old ThinkPads I can put to good use. I also need a good reason to get one of these contraptions. You got me thinking...ever hit the TP w/ a Kill-a-watt to determine electrical consumption / cost of running the relay?
very nice might need to pick one up
Since the rockchip SBCs have generally less support compared to the pis it could be a great option for a gentoobox. It would be nice to see a NAS build without FreeNAS doing everything automatically. I'd love to learn more about setting up FTP and samba manually. Also they say that the pci-e SATA card in Pine64's store isn't any good so I'd be nice to find one that is.
ok but how long does it take to compile Gentoo? Also gotta plug in a GPU to that x4 and get a gaming test
Have you considered looking at the Pinebook E-ink tablet? I have seen they have a developer version out atm.
Think you could make a full review of the pinephone? I saw some where it seemed like the damn thing was broken until they installed a whole new os into the damn thing.
What are your thoughts on the Libre Renegade?
Happy THANKSGIVING!
The CPU performance between these two will be fairly similar in most cases, despite the difference in core counts. The RockPro has a heterogeneous CPU setup with 2x Cortex A72 and 4x Cortex A53 cores, but the Cortex A53 cores are substantially slower than the A72 cores. The Raspberry Pi has a 4x Cortex A72 setup, which will perform about on par with the 2x A72 + 4x A53 core setup on the RockPro64.
i would love to see you do a secured nextcloud setup with this board. or another private file sync alternative. i would love to see how a seasoned expert would go about securing it.
This would be great
I wonder if we will be seeing some Risc V small board computers for a more open experience.
would loove any video on that rockpro, the tor/i2p noe, the routr, perhaps an imsi catcher??
How is the driver support in this thing?
Rockchip is not so well known for releasing drivers
I wonder what I would use it for. Running emulators is out as is a Pi-hole as my room is far from the router, so I have to rely on wifi.
Probably a low power download box/file server. Depends if I can get a basic Linux desktop setup on it.
I wanna know if I can turn it into a workstation for web application penetration testing.
be Debian or ubuntu
have a Desktop environment
4k graphics display, also have to be able to support a 49in curved monitor.
at least 16gb of RAM
be able to run python tools, java applications
good enough Disk read and write rate ( no lags and freezes)
What do you think of the khadas single board computers.
I have a couple of pis, probably my only valuable investment ever 🤤 thanks for talking about your project fella and defending the American way
One idea, and it’s one that I’ve been thinking of doing in the future, is to hose a peer tube instance.
It’s a program that lets you have a self-host video platform; it’s fully open-source, and apparently can be run on a raspberry pi.
You could try that??
I thought it was just me or that my country's import tax was too high, but it's so damn expansive for SBC that even second-hand items could have the same price as a new one.
im in a wait list to buy a rp5 but mostly out of spite. Because of the 4s non availability. I recommend a rock 5a or orange pi for higher processing if you ever need it
Hey man do you know any alternatives to Jetson Nano? I am really in need of that kind of ML board
Super nice device!
I have one as a NAS with hardware raid using a SATA pci-e card!
Well I have a Quartz64a which also a nice device..
Actually Raspberries are used for mining crypto, mostly helium, in systems like SenseCap or MNTD, they are also embedded in lots of commercial products, I also stared to see them used in non-critical industrial applications like test rigs, test equipment controllers, HMI etc.
What are those 6 ribbon cable connectors for?
thumbs up for terminus font : )
does it have graphics support or is it command line only?
I'm going to get a star64 when it comes out to try out RISC-V
still got a rpie3 from my schools project... good times x)
There is a new chipset from Rockchip called RK35588 or RK35588S. It has the power of Snapdragon 855+. There is a new SBC board called Orange Pi 5. It has this RK3588S chipset and it was on pre-sale for 75 USD on AliExpress with 8GB of RAM, but with no storage.
Hey I'd love to see another in depth video on Piped. I haven't started using it yet because I watch a lot of RUclips stuff and I'm still unsure what the differences are between the sites and if I'll have to resub to chans on there or re follow people and if I still use my RUclips account on their site or whatever. I'm ready to switch because fuck Google but I'm still unsure about Piped setup once I get logged in and stuff.
I got a pi at MSRP from Adafruit a few weeks ago. You just have to check often.
Pi4b has pcie but it is used by the USB 3.0 chip.
Cm4 has pcie pins but needs a breakout board to use it.
Could you run an Ethereum node on it? I mean if you get a 2TB NVMe SSD, 32 ETH.. But I think running an PoS node needs single core performance and memory.
would using this work well as a steam link client?
Good video.
8:50 thank you for your service.
Gonna be interesting to see how the Pie5 will compare to this.
I'm running into a snag with my Rock Pro 64. I have an active copper heat sink for the CPU and don't wish to use the standard Dupont housing connectors for the GPIO pins. I also have an active heat sink for the PCI-e x 4 slot using 4 T of NVMe storage. I've got the pinout data so I know where the 3 and 5v pins as well as the ground pin connectors are located. I can't find any UT videos describing how to stack a 1 x 40 over top of the male hosing and connect the applicable wires. Do you have any idea how to solve this problem?
I paid 25 sterling for the top model of the first generation pi, the prices are now crazy.
Thank you Mr. Mental
Now I have something to run a relay on while off at uni!
I've been using one for my NAS. I think its better than the Pi (for a number of reasons.) Although the various Pi's still have their place of course.
I can't wait to be able to finally buy a pi 5 almost two years after it's release date
I wonder if RasPi HATS would work on this? Since they both have the 40 pin gpio, i feel like it should.
Would love to see a RockHole video.
Are u sure hexacore arm processors? I believe it's based off RISC V system (Opensource Hardware)
It can add up two numbers, pretty cool.
0:56 what chip shortage. how can you build pine64 if no chips. raspberry pis not build anymore. they focus rpi5 take your money
You’d be wrong about the crypto mining. The Helium Coin has miners on its network that are called Bobcat miners. They use RasPis as the main computer, the company that makes the bobcat miner also way back logged on orders. I believe other miners made by other companies on the same LoRaWAN helium network also use RasPis, and you guessed it… those are back logged too
Have you heard of the Orange Pi? It's supposed to be a competitor to the Ras Pi but I've only just heard about it.
Thank You Sir~!
Atleast someone focusing on PCIe, for NAS waveshare SATA adapter is the best I can find.
The first thing I do when configuring PI. I completely disable wifi and bluetooth. Extreme security hole for IOT. And I setup automatic updates.
While this chip does in fact have 6 cores, keep in mind that 4 of those 6 cores are actually low power and pretty low performance A53 cores, while the other two are A72 cores. The Pi 4 on the other hand runs only on 4 fast cores i.e. 4 x A73 cores so having in mind that it has twice the performance cores and that they are next gen compared to these, the RPi4 is quite a bit more powerful than this board in raw performance numbers.
Can you also make a video on how to interface the Rockpro with computer? And if we can use python for projects?