Clive Lewis: On Liz Truss, proportional representation, Keir Starmer and the Green New Deal
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- Опубликовано: 7 фев 2025
- Is it all over for the Labour left? Clive Lewis is one of its leading lights, and a tireless fighter for causes such as climate justice and proportional representation. He joined me live at Labour Conference to talk over the Tories' catastrophic implosion - and where Labour goes now.
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Clive Lewis is my MP. In 2015 Norwich South was a three-way marginal held by the Lib Dems. In 2019 Clive Lewis got around 60% of the vote. He's well worth listening to.
I saw him in the JC4PM show all those years ago. He impressed me greatly.
There are many hurdles ahead of Labour...Truss is a weirdo!
Must say I enjoyed listening to Clive Lewis..highlighting what needs to happen to facilitate democracy in the UK
@@aramintalebon That was the best point as well on my view. 👍
Agree and he's had experience of doing other things, not just an mp. He was in the British army before . I saw him on question time, saying that our first past the post voting system isn't fit for purpose, we need a proportional voting system. He came over very well, and I agree with him
Clive you should be our labour leader. Your amazing. Thxxxxxx
Clive Lewis should have made a leadership challenge long ago.
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@@treadstone1970 He did!
You sure 😂
I’m a huge fan of Clive Lewis. Logical, pragmatic, caring, with great charisma and policies. Was gutted when he didn’t get enough MP support for the Labour leadership race, he was by far my favourite candidate. Principled and with a clear purpose ✊
Also he is absolutely correct to say that other MP was talking rubbish. Maybe people don’t talk about PR in that terminology, but how many people have you heard say ‘I feel like my vote doesn’t matter/count’ or something along those lines or ‘I don’t like either of the main parties’ etc. It’s a huge issue to a lot of people and is massively reflected in voter turnout
The paradox about PR is that no party that won by FPTP would want a fairer electoral system but I think Jones is right about Starmer, Labour are relying on workers having no where else to go, if there was a better party no one would vote Labour
they did that in Scotland and now SNP
There is a much better party. If enough people found the courage to vote Green we'd have a government with excellent policies. Unfortunately many people are afraid to vote for smaller parties under FPTP and that's exactly why the Labour right oppose proportional representation.
Clive was my MP, he's so far been the only MP i've had to respond personally, and like a human. He'd make a truly great PM.
Thanks!
Clive Lewis is one of the better Labour MPs, & Owen Jones is the best political commentator in the UK. Hell, what's not to like about this!
Absolutely!
I'm in New Zealand and we've had a system of proportional representation since 1996. Prior to that we had first past the post which enormously favoured the National Party, our Conservatives. National's strongest support was among farmers and others in rural areas where electorates were relatively small while Labour's was in large metropolitan electorates. That always meant that National won more seats but much less of the popular vote. We've had two long-term Labour governments in the era of proportional representation, Helen Clarke's and Jacinda Ardern's. After the last election Jacinda was our first Prime Minister to be able to govern alone, without the support of a coalition partner, though Labour maintains an alliance with the Greens who have some portfolios outside Cabinet. Proportional representation has advantages and I think would help Labour in Britain but also has pitfalls and often requires difficult compromise.
I think would help Labour in Britain - the trouble is that fptp distorts power of votes related to seats in parliament and its has benefitted Labour just as much as the Tories here perhaps even more so. PR will reduce both Labour and Tory power
…..and thereby giving a voice to a broader reach of the electorate.
It would also ensure improved checks & balances on the corrupt and criminal, the Owen Paterson, Robert Jenrick, Matt Hancock, Boris Johnson et al. Oh look, all Tories & tw ats!
Clive one of the best
What's the point of delegates voting on something if the leadership can ignore it? Is this the case for all votes that happen at conference?
It does make an absolute nonsense out of the whole process of voting at Conference if that _IS_ the case.
Let's hope it's not the same as the Leadership election pledges, eh?
Quite annoyed that Clive didn't make it onto the ballot at the last leadership election.
Would have like to have the chance to vote for him.
Hopefully I will one day!
Great video Owen and always great to see Clive.
My choice for leader
If only….
I wish Clive Lewis was my MP!
Yep, I agree with all of that!
Your labour party only maintains the status quo, and will not bring the radical change that is needed.
Great interview - Clive is always worth listening ro - thanks
The promise of proportional representation was betrayed in the Cameron Clegg era. Their referendum did not include effective types of pR like the single transferable vote and this whole decade has been damaging to the evolution of democratic representation Clegg and . The liberals also uturned on tuition fees making it harder for kids from less well off homes and these things have given rise to more inequality and under representation. Successive governments have rode to power promoting ideas of greater democracy but we need a party that is going to grasp the nettle and bring about more representative democracy. This will inevitably mean collaborative as opposed to confrontational politics . Many European countries already have this and so should we too. Otherwise we will remain only a democracy in name .
I used to live where Priti Patel was my MP, now Clive Lewis is. A great improvement!
I agree with Lewis about likely future -
so Labour party must now start to shift towards progressives, like Clive himself
Starmer can not stay leader
Be brave...bring in proportional representation!
Starmer will not get my vote, just watched the Labour files says it all
The most right wing politician elected as leader in Italy since Mussolini. And who is currently Prime Minister here in the UK? Yes, it's dear old Liz Trussolini.....
Looking v beautiful Owen
I love Clive great to see someone who says it like it is
Inspiring man!!!
Clive Lewis for leader!!!!! He so gets it! And Owen, what was so progressive about what Keir said? You are so easily pleased.
Torys will be in power for ever.
Labour said they would not make any deals with the SNP. In fact in Scotland they have made many deals with the Torys at council level.
I'm so lucky to have a decent MP in Clive Lewis. He would make a much, much better leader than yawn Kier Starmer. He's someone people could actually relate to and get behind. The whole political system is crazy! Maniacs in control and opposition leaders who don't listen to their members or the public who absolutely want the fairness of PR.
I would have loved to have voted for Clive in the leadership contest. It's such a shame he didn't get onto the ballot
When it comes to the notion of power and a system already that benefits the affluent and lacks a fair representation. Yeah, excellent analyses.
Despite Labour probably losing more seats under a PR system, it's still a more equitable system than FPTP.
PR isn't a one trick pony, there are different systems.
@@lordofchaos-t2e what else would you advocate for besides PR?
@@kayedal-haddad what I meant was that PR covers a range of options, just look at other European countries.
A party which will give me PR is a party i will vote for.
Starmers speech was more left wing than i was expecting. How much of this just hot air? We'll see!
I see labour as just one party in a 2 party revolving door system, I live in Scotland where a Westminster system decides my future, I did vote labour when I was younger but it did nothing for Scotland, I vote SNP because I'm left wing and believe in social justice not tinkering at the edges as I see Stammer doing. Devolution is a failure in the sense that we have no real power to run the country as we want independent of the Westminster shakles. Stammer also says he won't allow a further referendum on independence, he fails to realise that Scotland doesn't want labour any more than the tory government, its infuriating and many people in favour of independence are sick of both parties dictating to our devolved government, he says he won't work with the SNP yet again fails to take into account there is only 1 labour MP in Scotland. Unless Westminster starts listening to people in Scotland we will eventually become independent because of their intransigence
Was it really hot in the studio?
no comitmant to proportional reperesentation no vote, labours role is to diserpate working class anger into pointless policies and insure theres no change its a systemic safety valve, its part of the problem.
Jeeeeeeeeees your spelling and grammar is awful.
@@jake751 the message however, is spot on.
@@jake751 think about ideas rather than presentation
@@jake751 thats normally spelt Jeez...but maybe you are trying to be funny
I'd rate the guest: 5/10
Whether it's labour or the Tories who win this time around, things will not improve for any of us with Srarmer, he has made a second Tory Party that's hardly any different from the first.
Totally agree
Why oh why didn't Clive stand for leader in 2020?
He did. Not enough MPs backed him.
Momentum and the left backed the wrong horse (RLB) in 2020 imo. Clive was less tied to the corbyn project whilst still having solid left credentials. His pitch to be leader in the guardian was nearly everything I could ask for in a Labour leader (PR, UBI and more) and I was very excited to vote for him on the ballot. Real shame the PLP let the members down by not putting him on there. Hoping he finds space in a future Labour government as I would love him to get his name rec up and possibly lead the party some day.
Part of the problem with S4armer's failure to gain any traction in Scotland is vested in the 18th century Westminsrer voting system.
The reality is Labour would go into coalition with the Conservatives before introducing PR.
Well this interview aged quickly
Every decade , millions of English Tories are dying out . There is Hope .
Labour are not a broad church, they are not a democratic political party and it currently has a shadow sideboard filled with people who actively worked to keep the Conservatives in government in 2017 and 2019; Labour shadow cabinet members who would be ejected from the Labour Party if it was a democratically accountable political party. British politics is blighted by party politics and a second chamber that is not even pretending to be part of any sort of democratic political process. Fingers crossed for a Labour/SNP/Sinn Fein/FibDem (or preferably Greens) coalition government in 2023. The Queen died in 2022, hopefully the colonial post Empire political mental shackles died with her.
Why is the electoral system stacked against Labour?
Past say 4 elections. If you switched Conservative and Labour vote shares. Labour would have won more seats than Conservatives did.
Labour constituencies even post the proposed changes are systematically smaller than Tory ones.
This is why the public don't vote for Labour. You can't do year 8 maths.
In 01 and 05 Blair won over 400 seats with a 9 and 3% lead over Tories.
In 2010 Cameron didn't win a majority at all but had a higher vote share and lead over Labour than Blair did in 05.
So the system is stacked against Labour because......
I have no idea what transformative socialism means or what practical change it would bring.
It would not surprise me if Labour win it will be basically a continuation of Tory policies with a few subtle tweaks
"People want change..." they voted for Boris Johnson in their droves in a protest against austerity,
I think it was simply to get Brexit "done"
@@danteshydratshirt2360 maybe 'simply' is the operative word.
Well it kinda is in the bag.
Er.... sorry Clive who ?
Clive Lewis. It says in the title.
If you understand te history of the labour party.....
what a lost soul
Who ?
What's he talking about,Tony Blair's government were ToriesTony made a great Tory .
As for this guy go stand in a pickett line with trade union leaders and swear loyalty in front of the people .
Go bleed with people.
Wasn't Clive Lewis very critical of JC?
But what do you do if transformative always loses? And it isn't true that the tories undo everything that Labour does. We still have an NHS, a minimum wage, surestart, just off the top of my head.
History is a slow creep towards the left, not massive leaps. The history of the labour party is when it goes too far left it fails.
Corbyn's (and Foot's for that matter) manifestos were no further left than moderate conservatism in other, less corrupt countries (e.g Norway).
The Tories are destroying the NHS as we speak
You don't think the Tories are dismantling the NHS in stages?! Really?! Problem is Wes Streeting is a collaborator in that objective and he wants to further involve the private sector in it. The Labour Party is a party of the left or it is nothing.
@@tomtheeagle1If the Tories privatise the NHS, then I'll concede the point. Labour is left, it's just currently not as far left as you'd like.
@@marcadams440 That, I will concede! Nowhere near!!
Socialism. Vomit
I prey everyday that this Labour party will loose the next general election very badly
Get a life mate?
Maybe you could get into literacy classes at your local adult education programme? What am I thinking? It has probably been closed down by your precious Tories. Shame. You obviously could have benefitted from it.
the best result would be a hung govt IMO so the Labour will have to work with others
How has this government be en so right wing when they have basically offered handout after handout utter clickbait.
The masked singer is on mate.
The 'handouts' you refer to have essentially been aimed at keeping British capitalism from completely imploding and thereby heading off the threat of social unrest. Nothing about either of those things is left-wing or inconsistent with right-wing politics.